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April 30, 2024

Ian & Aaron discuss mens fashion, DHH, location sharing follow up, AI therapy hot takes, Laravel Octane, upcoming course update, is MySQL over?, non-competes and concierge medicine, hacking Laravel for prefix indexes, PHP x NYC Sponsored by Buttondown, LaraJobs, & Screencasting.com. Send questions or feedback to mostlytechnicalpodcast@gmail.com.
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Transcript

Ian
00:00:01 – 00:00:02
Hello.
Aaron
00:00:02 – 00:00:04
Good morning. How we doing?
Ian
00:00:05 – 00:00:07
You caught me on a big day.
Aaron
00:00:07 – 00:00:08
Big day.
Ian
00:00:08 – 00:00:09
Big day.
Aaron
00:00:09 – 00:00:10
Tell me.
Ian
00:00:10 – 00:00:17
Those in the northeast already know what this day is. This is the 1st shorts day. 1st shorts day of the year. Wow.
Aaron
00:00:17 – 00:00:20
1st shorts day. Happy 1st shorts day.
Ian
00:00:20 – 00:00:27
Thank you. Thank you. It's not gonna stick. It never sticks. It's gonna get cold, but it's the first one.
Ian
00:00:27 – 00:00:29
It's gonna be 80. I'm like, alright. We'll do the shorts.
Aaron
00:00:30 – 00:00:35
Today's shorts though. Now you're not wearing flip flops, are you?
Ian
00:00:35 – 00:00:49
I'm not generally a flip flop guy. Like, I like my Stan Smiths generally or something along those lines. I do own some flip flops for occasions, but I'm not really I like a I like a nice sock. I think you gotta keep things wrapped.
Aaron
00:00:49 – 00:00:51
I All that stuff. You can't be shown the toes.
Ian
00:00:51 – 00:00:52
That's my
Aaron
00:00:52 – 00:00:56
you just can't be shown the man's toes. We've talked about this. It's grotesque.
Ian
00:00:56 – 00:01:03
Yeah. It's grotesque. It's no good. And, and just in general, I feel like I want, like I don't know. My my feet need protection.
Ian
00:01:03 – 00:01:10
Like, my toe is just out there. I'm gonna stub them. I'm gonna hurt them. I'm gonna step on them. I like to have them wrapped up and safe.
Aaron
00:01:11 – 00:01:18
You know, honestly, I I go back and forth on a man's knees, whether whether the knees should ever be exposed, frankly.
Ian
00:01:19 – 00:01:20
Like Oh, man.
Aaron
00:01:20 – 00:01:28
Yeah. This was a hot this was a hot, topic on Twitter the other day. Do you follow the the workwear guy, the the men's fashion guy?
Ian
00:01:28 – 00:01:28
Mm-mm.
Aaron
00:01:29 – 00:01:43
So there are there are 2 posters on Twitter that are just, like, just god tier. They're on another level. 1 is the 1 is the fashion guy who just eviscerates everyone just tears apart their fashion. What a
Ian
00:01:43 – 00:01:47
great Twitter account. Oh, he's great, and he knows infinite content.
Aaron
00:01:47 – 00:02:01
God, he knows what he is talking about. It's so good. And the other is, art but sports where they take famous Mhmm. Sports photos and turn them well, match them up with existing artwork. So those are the 2 great Twitter accounts.
Aaron
00:02:01 – 00:02:08
And if you know what those 2 are, you need to log off because those are those are that's very deep into the The
Ian
00:02:08 – 00:02:10
way way down there. Yeah.
Aaron
00:02:10 – 00:02:35
I don't The other day the other day, he he tweeted about shorts, and he was describing what makes good men's shorts. And, Pinboard, who is, you know, a bookmarking service tweeted back and said something about men should never wear shorts unless they're, like, within a 100 meters of a body of water. And, you know, I kinda I was like, I'm on the fence about that. I do, in fact, wear shorts. Okay.
Aaron
00:02:35 – 00:02:45
But, yeah, I don't know. You know, wearing shorts, like, to a professional like, to the office, you know, in the summer, I'm not I'm not doing that. Any anytime I'm going into, like, a workplace, I'm not wearing shorts.
Ian
00:02:47 – 00:03:00
So, yeah, I don't I well, would I ever wear shorts? I mean, it's hard to say. It's been a long time. I think I probably did when I worked at at this Internet company a 1000000 years ago, but I probably did wear shorts. But to, like, an office office, I definitely wouldn't wear shorts.
Ian
00:03:02 – 00:03:22
I don't know. Can you go so I guess one of the I agree men's knees are grotesque. Like, I think we're in agreement there. But now do you counter like, a lot of the Laravel crew when I've been with them in places that are warm, they, counter this by they are kind of on the short short front. So they're going extra thigh.
Ian
00:03:23 – 00:03:25
Now I've not generally been extra thigh, man.
Aaron
00:03:25 – 00:03:28
From the knee. They show the extra thigh.
Ian
00:03:28 – 00:03:29
Yes. Yes.
Aaron
00:03:29 – 00:03:40
As if as if it was the knee specifically that was the problem. Right. You know, I'm not a short, short sky. I'll be honest. I've been I've been blessed with tremendously large thighs.
Aaron
00:03:40 – 00:03:54
Okay. So I'm not I'm not really wanting to put that on display as much. I will say, however, that the short the short must stop before the top of the knee. So I'm not I'm definitely not a long short sky either.
Ian
00:03:54 – 00:03:55
Yeah. That's
Aaron
00:03:55 – 00:03:59
I'm gonna I'm gonna appropriate short sky is what I would say.
Ian
00:03:59 – 00:04:06
Yeah. I think I generally fall into that same category. Maybe basketball shorts sometimes might go kind of
Aaron
00:04:06 – 00:04:08
Athletic shorts are a little different. I think
Ian
00:04:08 – 00:04:16
Yeah. Like but kind of like a nice regular short. Yeah. I'm above the knee, but not like not like short shorts. Like, I'm still at,
Aaron
00:04:16 – 00:04:16
like, a
Ian
00:04:16 – 00:04:22
and I'm tall. So it's, like, I'm still at, like, a 10 inch short, and that's, like Mhmm. You know? See, I'm a 9 inch. Not to my knee.
Aaron
00:04:22 – 00:04:25
But I'm I'm a few inches shorter than you, so that makes sense.
Ian
00:04:25 – 00:04:28
Well, the Laravel crew, they're they're in there with the sixes and the sevens.
Aaron
00:04:28 – 00:04:31
Inch in seams. I'm like, man, can't handle that. Yeah.
Ian
00:04:31 – 00:04:38
Yeah. I don't know. They try to convince me. I might have tried it someday, but I don't know. It's I feel like it limits your range of motion just in general.
Ian
00:04:38 – 00:04:39
I just feel
Aaron
00:04:39 – 00:04:39
like
Ian
00:04:39 – 00:04:45
it's strained. I like a little little looser. Kind of along these lines also. No. I have
Aaron
00:04:45 – 00:04:47
no idea where this is going.
Ian
00:04:48 – 00:04:59
This is just a thing where I wish I had met you sooner. So on the first short day of the year, I am all excited, I got my go to shorts. Right? Like, these are just, like, in the pocket. They're just, like, I love these shorts.
Ian
00:04:59 – 00:05:01
I have a couple pairs.
Aaron
00:05:01 – 00:05:01
Love that.
Ian
00:05:01 – 00:05:03
They're these LL Bean shorts.
Aaron
00:05:03 – 00:05:04
K.
Ian
00:05:04 – 00:05:17
And they don't make them anymore. And so, like, I had one pair ripped last year. I mean, they're, like, 10 years old now, and it's just like I got I got nothing. Like, if I lose that, I think I have 2 left. If I just bought 10, I'd be set for life.
Ian
00:05:17 – 00:05:18
Right? Like, I just have them
Aaron
00:05:18 – 00:05:19
stacked up there. They don't
Ian
00:05:19 – 00:05:30
go bad. But, no, I only have a couple, and I'm very scared for what happens because these are, like, the perfect comfort. The waistband's perfect. The length is perfect. They got everything.
Ian
00:05:30 – 00:05:37
It's just nice for just, like they're not, like, fancy. They're just, you know, you're just bumming around. You're, like, going out around town. You're going to Lowe's or whatever. Great.
Ian
00:05:37 – 00:05:42
It's fine. But I don't know. That's how I'm in a I'm in a hard way potentially.
Aaron
00:05:43 – 00:05:58
That's why you always buy a million of the thing that you like. You find one thing, and you just buy it forever. So that's that's the first that's the first takeaway. 2nd takeaway is you might be into you might be into custom shorts territory. You might have to go get shorts made.
Aaron
00:05:58 – 00:05:58
Yeah.
Ian
00:05:58 – 00:06:01
Woah. Yeah. Woah. Never done it. I've
Aaron
00:06:01 – 00:06:02
never done it.
Ian
00:06:02 – 00:06:02
Okay. Okay.
Aaron
00:06:02 – 00:06:03
I've never done it, but
Ian
00:06:03 – 00:06:04
But it's out there.
Aaron
00:06:05 – 00:06:12
But I have a friend I have a friend who's done it. I will I will not say names because, you know, to be custom shorts guy, that's a guy. You you don't
Ian
00:06:12 – 00:06:12
a guy.
Aaron
00:06:12 – 00:06:18
I don't know if he wants to be that guy, and I don't wanna put that guy I don't wanna put that guy upon him. You know? Yeah. So Can't take
Ian
00:06:18 – 00:06:19
it back.
Aaron
00:06:19 – 00:06:30
No. I was hanging out, and I was like, hey. Where are we getting shorts these days? And he looked a little sheepish, which is why I'm not gonna guy him right now. He looked a little sheepish, and he said, well, you know, these I got I got these made.
Aaron
00:06:30 – 00:06:35
I got these are custom made shorts. And I was like, my my my.
Ian
00:06:35 – 00:06:36
Must be
Aaron
00:06:36 – 00:06:37
nice. Yeah.
Ian
00:06:38 – 00:06:41
I I have a lot of questions too. It's unfortunate he's not on here because, like
Aaron
00:06:42 – 00:06:42
I know.
Ian
00:06:42 – 00:06:50
I never even thought about custom shorts. Like, obviously, custom pants are a thing, the tailored shirt. Yeah. A suit, of course, like, all these things. Yes.
Ian
00:06:50 – 00:07:05
Custom. I get it. I hadn't considered shorts. And then also, is it custom air quotes? Like, it's a thing the Internet provides, and you send them, like, a couple measurements, or it's like a tailor, and it's like a real legit
Aaron
00:07:05 – 00:07:18
Yep. Custom. This is this is he gets, you know, his shirts his dress shirts custom made, it, like, locally. And so he went into his his clothes guy and was like, let's do some shorts. And they did some shorts.
Aaron
00:07:18 – 00:07:19
Crazy.
Ian
00:07:19 – 00:07:20
Holy cow.
Aaron
00:07:20 – 00:07:21
Wow. This
Ian
00:07:21 – 00:07:22
is why people tune in.
Aaron
00:07:22 – 00:07:23
This is
Ian
00:07:23 – 00:07:24
the stuff you can look at.
Aaron
00:07:24 – 00:07:27
I know. Where else where else can you get this?
Ian
00:07:27 – 00:07:28
Nowhere. Crazy.
Aaron
00:07:28 – 00:07:30
You can get custom shorts made. Yeah.
Ian
00:07:30 – 00:07:33
How much? It's Texas. So it's probably, like, was $50 or something ridiculous.
Aaron
00:07:33 – 00:07:39
No. It's gotta be more than that. I don't know. I didn't know. It's gotta be that's where my that's where my my nosiness ended.
Aaron
00:07:39 – 00:07:44
I didn't, you know, say, hey, give me a give me a little elbow in the ribs. I'm like, how much are we talking?
Ian
00:07:44 – 00:07:45
What are you spending on those shorts?
Aaron
00:07:45 – 00:07:52
Yeah. So I don't know. But it can't be it can't be $50. It's gotta be north of $100 easily.
Ian
00:07:52 – 00:07:53
Would think. Yeah.
Aaron
00:07:53 – 00:07:53
Yeah.
Ian
00:07:53 – 00:07:55
That's what I would think normally for sure.
Aaron
00:07:55 – 00:07:56
Yeah.
Ian
00:08:08 – 00:08:45
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Ian
00:09:56 – 00:10:04
Well, if we're on clothes, we have a item here that you have a new kind of hanger. Got it. It's not a hanger. Assume you mean a clotheshanger, hanger, but I don't know if it's an airplane hangar
Aaron
00:10:04 – 00:10:07
or something else. Good transition. No. You nailed it. Yeah.
Aaron
00:10:07 – 00:10:32
Got a new kind of hangar. So the past 20 years, I've been using one kind of hanger. I've been using I've been using The Container Store white plastic tube hanger. So every hanger that comes in the closet has to be one of those container store. If a dry clean if a if a set of dry cleaning comes in, we don't we don't at least on my side, we don't keep those hangers.
Aaron
00:10:32 – 00:10:44
Right? So the the little wire hangers that are annoying and get get tangled up, those have gotta go. Those go. Everything is white, Container Store tube hanger. They've been making it for 20 years.
Aaron
00:10:44 – 00:10:46
I've been buying it for 20 years. Okay?
Ian
00:10:46 – 00:10:47
K. Mhmm.
Aaron
00:10:48 – 00:11:17
You know, I realized it left a little bit to be desired. So this, you know, this past weekend, I was doing a little bit a little bit of a clean out of the closet, because, you know, we're gonna move soon into one of our other properties, of course. And I noticed that the hanger the hanger was falling easily an inch and a half or 2 inches short of the shoulder seam. Right? So the hanger the shirt on the hanger, the shoulder seam is sagging way down.
Aaron
00:11:17 – 00:11:18
Yeah. Yeah.
Ian
00:11:18 – 00:11:19
Yeah. Weird. And then I put it on.
Aaron
00:11:19 – 00:11:30
I'm getting little bumps. I'm getting little shoulder bumps, and the shirt's losing its shape. And I'm like, man, these are T shirts. I gotta make sure that I preserve the, you know, the integrity of the the structure of the shirt.
Ian
00:11:30 – 00:11:32
I got so many questions. Okay. Continue.
Aaron
00:11:33 – 00:11:46
And so I measured the the the length of the hanger, and it was, like, 16 inches long. And I thought, my I easily need 18. Gotta have at least 18. Yeah. So, you know, I went on and looked around at a bunch of different hangers.
Aaron
00:11:46 – 00:12:00
I found the perfect hanger. It's not it's 18 inches wide. It's still it's still plastic, so it's not wire. It does not have it's not one of those felt hangers. Because you have one of those felt hangers.
Aaron
00:12:00 – 00:12:04
It's like, yeah, your stuff won't fall off. Also, you can never get your stuff off.
Ian
00:12:04 – 00:12:05
Yeah. That's the downside.
Aaron
00:12:06 – 00:12:11
Infuriating. You're trying to pull it off. You're stretching the neck out. So it's 18 inches. The the hook swivels.
Aaron
00:12:11 – 00:12:17
So if you put your shirt on backwards, you can swivel the hook, and then it still goes on the on the rack the right way. That's fancy.
Ian
00:12:17 – 00:12:18
And, you
Aaron
00:12:18 – 00:12:32
know, the 18 inches is just about right to keep the shoulder seams in place. So and you got them on Amazon. It was, like, a pack of, you know, a million for a nickel, and we're in good shape. And they showed up, and I'm so I'm doing the transition now. So I found a new kind of hanger.
Ian
00:12:32 – 00:12:37
Did the container store not have 18 or 20 inch or something like that? Did you even check the container store?
Aaron
00:12:37 – 00:12:38
Is there
Ian
00:12:38 – 00:12:39
loyalty thrown aside?
Aaron
00:12:39 – 00:12:48
Oh, no. Loyalty to the products, not to the store. I do love the store, but I wasn't like, I need to go back to my hanger store and see what else they have. Yeah.
Ian
00:12:49 – 00:13:09
I will say I will admit I'm not ashamed when those cheap, sleazy hangers come in. I end up keeping them because I I I buy hangers. I don't know what happens to the hangers, but I'd never have enough hangers It doesn't matter how many I buy. I never have enough hangers. And so I end up being forced into these using the cheaper ones.
Ian
00:13:09 – 00:13:17
The although the dry cleaning ones, I should say. So I do have some dry cleaning ones in the mix. I do have random assortment in the mix. I don't have a, like, a uniform situation.
Aaron
00:13:17 – 00:13:19
You don't have a uniform hanger?
Ian
00:13:19 – 00:13:30
No. You know, our closet is a situation chaos? Oh, our closet is mad chaos. We got to we we've been talking about how we we need to get in there and do some real work. We kind of messed up on our house.
Aaron
00:13:30 – 00:13:31
I don't
Ian
00:13:31 – 00:13:46
know if it was messed up. We made a trade off. And so we built our house and, you know, there was a pretty big master closet and it would, you know, would have been way enough for us because we're not, like, super clothes horse. I don't have a 1,000,000 suits or whatever.
Aaron
00:13:46 – 00:13:47
It would
Ian
00:13:47 – 00:13:47
have been fine.
Aaron
00:13:47 – 00:13:51
Pairs of shorts that are 10 years old. Yeah. You're not. Yeah. You're not an aficionado auto by any means.
Ian
00:13:51 – 00:14:06
So it would have been fine, but we didn't really wanna go. There was nowhere for the well, the washer and dryer was supposed to be in the mudroom. Uh-oh. But it was using a lot of room, you know, clean clothes, muddy kids. Like, we didn't really love that idea.
Ian
00:14:06 – 00:14:16
So we want and also just going up downstairs is super annoying. All the clothes are upstairs, and then you're going downstairs and upstairs and back and forth. It's annoying.
Aaron
00:14:16 – 00:14:18
So mudroom's on floor 1 and master's on floor 2?
Ian
00:14:19 – 00:14:23
Right. Yeah. Okay. And Good. We actually have a base finished basement that's, like, integrated with the house.
Ian
00:14:23 – 00:14:28
So there's, like, not much unfinished basement. There's, like, it's all it's, like, 3 floors, basically.
Aaron
00:14:28 – 00:14:29
Cool.
Ian
00:14:30 – 00:15:00
So the We did this trade off where we there was supposed to be this little linen closet kind of on the opposite side of this The master bedrooms closet, because it's like a u shaped hall. And we're like, alright, we're gonna blow that out and turn it into a laundry room. And so it's not it's not gigantic, but it's enough to fit the 2 washer and dryer, and there's, like, you know, 2 feet in front of them, and that's it. Alright. So we took from the master closet to make this laundry
Aaron
00:15:00 – 00:15:03
room. You never take from the master closet. No.
Ian
00:15:03 – 00:15:15
Now our master closet's not really big enough. So it's chaos in there, and it's very annoying. The hanger situation's bad. The tearing of it all is bad. And yeah.
Ian
00:15:15 – 00:15:23
So so that's just also hanging just what we have to hang. So it sounds like you also hang your t shirts. We are not a t shirt hanging household.
Aaron
00:15:23 – 00:15:28
Oh, I absolutely hang my t shirts. There are 2 there are 2 tiers of t shirts, though.
Ian
00:15:28 – 00:15:28
Okay.
Aaron
00:15:28 – 00:15:43
There's there's the there's the fashion tee, and then there's the work tee. Right? Okay. Or, like, the like, the graphic tee. So if I I have, you know, some shirts from, like, you know, you go on a trip to Boston and you buy, like, a Boston established in, you know, 1200 AD or what whatever.
Aaron
00:15:43 – 00:15:48
But who knows? They're so proud of that. You buy a Boston shirt. It's got a big graphic on it. You fold it up.
Aaron
00:15:48 – 00:15:55
You put it in the drawer. Right? You need you need, you know, need to do some Saturday work. You you check the drawer where you got the graphic tees. You're like, oh, where are my Boston tees?
Aaron
00:15:55 – 00:16:00
So old. And then the other tees, you know, your your black tees, those hang those hang in the closet for sure. Interesting. Mhmm. Interesting.
Aaron
00:16:00 – 00:16:01
I'm not a teacher hanging. Now, t shirt
Ian
00:16:01 – 00:16:02
hang now do
Aaron
00:16:02 – 00:16:03
you, dry clean those?
Ian
00:16:03 – 00:16:10
No. No. Okay. So So regular long period to have those.
Aaron
00:16:10 – 00:16:17
Dry them. There's actually there are 3 black shirts that we do have to hang dry. The rest of the black shirts, we just wash and dry. Normal.
Ian
00:16:17 – 00:16:20
Okay. And then you do Yeah. But you do hang them up for storage?
Aaron
00:16:20 – 00:16:23
Them up. Yes. For storage. Absolutely. On the new hangers.
Aaron
00:16:24 – 00:16:24
Yeah.
Ian
00:16:24 – 00:16:32
What what's your thoughts on, the hangers that, like, are cut so you could put pants like, you could slide the pant in and out?
Aaron
00:16:33 – 00:16:36
Not interested in that. I'm not gonna lie. Yeah. Yeah.
Ian
00:16:36 – 00:16:37
Do you ever hang your pants through?
Aaron
00:16:38 – 00:16:49
Do hang the pants through. Yep. And that was another that was another strike against the Container Store hangar is it is tubular, not in, like, an awesome way, but in a shape way. It's like a, you know, a circle all the way around. Yeah.
Aaron
00:16:49 – 00:16:56
It's a tube. And, therefore, you put your pants on it, and the tube starts to sag a little bit because I don't know if it's
Ian
00:16:56 – 00:16:57
made of
Aaron
00:16:57 – 00:16:58
the pants. Strong enough.
Ian
00:16:58 – 00:16:59
Okay.
Aaron
00:16:59 – 00:17:10
Yeah. So the new hanger the new hanger is more like an I beam. It's more you know, it's vertical, so you could put pants on it, and it won't sag. So, yeah, it's a little bit it's a little bit stronger too. I know.
Aaron
00:17:10 – 00:17:14
Material science is it's progressed in the past 20 years since I've been buying hangers.
Ian
00:17:14 – 00:17:16
So have you fully swapped out?
Aaron
00:17:17 – 00:17:21
I have, swapped out about half the stuff right now. But you
Ian
00:17:21 – 00:17:23
bought enough to fully swap?
Aaron
00:17:23 – 00:17:26
I think I need to buy one more set, frankly.
Ian
00:17:26 – 00:17:26
But you are going
Aaron
00:17:26 – 00:17:28
to pull the swap. Hangers. I'm gonna fully swap.
Ian
00:17:28 – 00:17:31
Oh, there's no You're not doing half We're not running
Aaron
00:17:31 – 00:17:32
a half c's. No way.
Ian
00:17:32 – 00:17:33
I see. Okay.
Aaron
00:17:33 – 00:17:34
That would Wow.
Ian
00:17:35 – 00:17:36
And what about the wife?
Aaron
00:17:36 – 00:17:38
Would unravel everything would unravel if
Ian
00:17:38 – 00:17:41
I started running a half c's. Yeah. Yeah.
Aaron
00:17:41 – 00:17:41
No way.
Ian
00:17:41 – 00:17:46
So but are you doing your wife's have too, or this is just No. No. You're on your own? No. No.
Ian
00:17:46 – 00:17:47
No. No. No. No. She does what she wants.
Ian
00:17:47 – 00:17:47
No.
Aaron
00:17:47 – 00:17:50
We don't venture onto that side. No. Okay.
Ian
00:17:50 – 00:17:51
Does she have her own closet?
Aaron
00:17:51 – 00:18:04
No, she doesn't. We share. We share in the rent house, we share. And in the new house, we'll share. In our old house, I had, like, the basically, the hall closet because it was a, you know, tiny little house.
Aaron
00:18:04 – 00:18:07
I had the hall closet, and she had the, quote, unquote, master.
Ian
00:18:07 – 00:18:08
I gotcha.
Aaron
00:18:08 – 00:18:11
So we had separate ones, but not not out of luxury, out of, like
Ian
00:18:12 – 00:18:12
Right.
Aaron
00:18:12 – 00:18:14
Aaron's stuff is down the hall. Right.
Ian
00:18:14 – 00:18:16
You're you're in the living closet.
Aaron
00:18:16 – 00:18:17
Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah.
Ian
00:18:18 – 00:18:24
Alright. Alright. Well, that's oh, yeah. I'm not I mean, I feel like that all makes sense. I could see where you're coming from.
Ian
00:18:24 – 00:18:36
I I don't know if I could bring myself to do it, but I I would like to to do it potentially. I have been making more time with some stuff around the house. So, like, maybe I'll take that on at some point. First thing I get in there and just, like, I gotta hack away. You got a purge?
Ian
00:18:36 – 00:18:49
Like Yeah. Yeah. I gotta purge. I'm so are you a bad like, I'm a bad like, I just buy shirts, and then, like, I never I I have the, like, 5 or 10 shirts I always wear, but I'm always like, oh, buy this shirt, and I'll I'll wear that. That'll be cool.
Ian
00:18:49 – 00:18:51
But then, like, when you go right to it and you're like, oh, no.
Aaron
00:18:51 – 00:18:52
I look like an idiot.
Ian
00:18:52 – 00:18:58
This. Yeah. Even if I don't look like an idiot. It's like, I'm just gonna wear these 10 shirts that I like. I just feel comfortable in.
Ian
00:18:58 – 00:19:05
Like, I just throw it on. Like, I got my t shirts that I'm comfortable in occasionally. I have a regular shirt or polo shirt. It's kinda it.
Aaron
00:19:06 – 00:19:10
You have no idea the extent to which I wear the same thing all the time.
Ian
00:19:11 – 00:19:16
I think people from if they're watching this on YouTube, I think you probably know how much we wear the same thing a lot. But,
Aaron
00:19:17 – 00:19:44
There there actually was a period of time that I went full capsule wardrobe, and I bought, like, 3 or 4 pairs of the exact same it was shorts, actually. 3 or 4 pairs of the exact same shorts and, like, 4 or 5, white oxford button down every literally every single day for, like, months or years. And it was awesome. I love this.
Ian
00:19:45 – 00:19:49
That in so much. It's never cold. So it's like once you've got the uniform, you can, like, literally stay in the same uniform.
Aaron
00:19:49 – 00:19:59
Yeah. I'm actually trying to go back a little bit towards more of a uniform capsule thing because it's like, I just, you know, I just wanna wear the same thing all the time.
Ian
00:19:59 – 00:20:07
That's kinda where I've gone. Like, I got to Taylor actually turned me on to this place called Tall Slim T's, which is like, if you're tall and skinny ish, like
Aaron
00:20:07 – 00:20:09
then you need a t. Yeah. It's all right there on the name.
Ian
00:20:09 – 00:20:15
Yeah. It's all right there. Like, what great branding. So so that's why I like these. They're just like toss and t's.
Ian
00:20:15 – 00:20:38
I'm just like, they're so comfortable and perfect, and they fit great and it's like I just wear these all the time now and I like I've abandoned almost everything else. So meanwhile, I have like 2 drawers like packed with like the graphics tees and random tees. I need to donate all that stuff. That's, like, I'll I gotta get a spring cleaning done in here and, like, with the closet and the dresser and just, like, buy a few more of these, get rid of everything else. No thinking.
Ian
00:20:38 – 00:20:39
Nice and simple.
Aaron
00:20:40 – 00:20:44
Tall slim tees. I'm on the hunt. I'm on the hunt for a new perfect t shirt.
Ian
00:20:44 – 00:20:45
They're very good. You should try them.
Aaron
00:20:45 – 00:20:46
Okay.
Ian
00:20:46 – 00:20:59
They're very, very good. Because they just have that little bit of extra length, so they're not, like, right at your waist. Like, when you just buy a regular t shirt that's large or extra large or whatever, it's like Oh, man. You end up buying double extra. Like, I mean, in my high school year, you're
Aaron
00:21:00 – 00:21:08
over head and you have you have a belly exposure. There's nothing worse nothing worse than a belly exposure. Can you imagine?
Ian
00:21:08 – 00:21:17
We have the technology now. We don't have to live like that anymore. Like, we can just go out and get the right size stuff. It's glorious. So it's mortified.
Ian
00:21:17 – 00:21:25
Yeah. So, yeah, the everything the length on the arm is good. It's, like, enough, but not, like, all the way to my elbow. It's it's very nice. So
Aaron
00:21:25 – 00:21:31
Okay. Definitely recommend those. I'm on I'm on the hunt. I'm looking for a good heavyweight black t shirt.
Ian
00:21:32 – 00:21:39
Yeah. These are yeah. I would say they're medium weight. I don't think they're really heavy, but, like, yeah.
Aaron
00:21:40 – 00:21:45
I don't want one of those thin those thin, jersey or, like, American apparel.
Ian
00:21:46 – 00:21:46
Right.
Aaron
00:21:47 – 00:21:51
It just it just shows too much form, and I'm not quite Yeah. I'm not quite at that spot yet.
Ian
00:21:51 – 00:22:10
This balances that nicely in terms of the, I don't know about the actual thinness, but in terms of the how it hangs, I feel like it walks a nice line there of, like, it's not super tight, but it's not, just ultra baggy where it's obviously way too big for you that you're just getting the length and now you're, like, twice as wide
Aaron
00:22:10 – 00:22:12
Now your box. Yeah. To be.
Ian
00:22:12 – 00:22:14
Yeah. So Well, we're
Aaron
00:22:14 – 00:22:16
gonna have him on the show at some point. Right?
Ian
00:22:16 – 00:22:18
Yes. He's supposed to be on here. We can talk to him about T shirts.
Aaron
00:22:18 – 00:22:19
We'll talk to we'll spend
Ian
00:22:19 – 00:22:20
the whole time talking
Aaron
00:22:20 – 00:22:24
about tall tall slim tees instead of Laravel or anything like that.
Ian
00:22:24 – 00:22:26
That's what people wanna hear. They know about Laravel.
Aaron
00:22:26 – 00:22:29
Really yeah. That would really make the people mad.
Ian
00:22:29 – 00:22:35
No. They know about Laravel. They don't they don't know about where Taylor buys his clothes. That's the stuff we gotta get into.
Aaron
00:22:35 – 00:22:48
Last, surprisingly, last thing about where Taylor buys his clothes, somebody on Twitter the other day was like, hey. This may be too personal. But where do y'all get your underwear? Asking you and me. This was, like, weeks ago.
Aaron
00:22:48 – 00:22:55
And Taylor Taylor chimed in and said me undies. And I got my first me undies shipment, and
Ian
00:22:55 – 00:22:55
Oh, wow.
Aaron
00:22:56 – 00:22:57
They're great.
Ian
00:22:57 – 00:22:58
Are they good?
Aaron
00:22:58 – 00:23:03
They're great. Yeah. Don't don't wanna go into too much detail because, you know, it's it's it's, unmentioned all the time.
Ian
00:23:03 – 00:23:10
Give us something. Like, are you a I assume you're, like, a boxer brief type guy. Are you a regular boxer guy?
Aaron
00:23:10 – 00:23:16
Are you Nope. That was right. Nailed it the first time. I don't know what about me screams boxer, but you got it. Yeah.
Aaron
00:23:16 – 00:23:16
You
Ian
00:23:16 – 00:23:21
nailed it. I figured that's, you know, MeUndies kinda gives it away a little bit. Yeah. Maybe that regular box.
Aaron
00:23:21 – 00:23:24
Conservative, but a little bit fun. Yeah. That looks crazy. Yeah. That checks out.
Aaron
00:23:24 – 00:23:25
That's me
Ian
00:23:25 – 00:23:27
for sure. Underneath there is wild, man.
Aaron
00:23:27 – 00:23:35
Yeah. Although I did I did go all black. I'm not doing a silly, like, camper pattern. Like, what what I I don't want my underwear to be silly. I want it to be black.
Aaron
00:23:36 – 00:23:37
So Yeah. I'm gonna ask you.
Ian
00:23:37 – 00:23:43
Yeah. I am due for an underwear upgrade, but every time I that always kicks me off onto, like, a whole adventure of, like, nothing fits comfortable and,
Aaron
00:23:43 – 00:23:45
like Oh, yeah. Everything's terrible.
Ian
00:23:45 – 00:23:52
So I don't know. I just have like my Hanes boxers. They're fun. Yeah. They're, they are annoying because they're all like blue checkered pat.
Ian
00:23:52 – 00:23:58
Like there's no, it's just like all this like semi weird patterns, but whatever. Nobody
Aaron
00:23:58 – 00:23:59
cares. Yeah.
Ian
00:24:00 – 00:24:05
Oh, man. That kicked me off into something else that I wouldn't talk about. What was it? Something we were tweeting about.
Aaron
00:24:07 – 00:24:12
We were just talking about Taylor Atwell's underwear. That's where that's the last thing. Did that spark anything?
Ian
00:24:13 – 00:24:15
Yeah. I can't remember. I'll come back to
Aaron
00:24:15 – 00:24:15
it. Oh, pity.
Ian
00:24:16 – 00:24:19
Alright. What else is going on? DHH listened to you?
Aaron
00:24:19 – 00:24:20
DHH listened to me.
Ian
00:24:20 – 00:24:24
Did he actually listen to you, or you just take credit for something you said? Okay.
Aaron
00:24:24 – 00:24:25
Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Aaron
00:24:25 – 00:24:46
Definitely. I think we probably independently derived the same solution, which was why are you as a as a mega millionaire futzing around with Linux and displays you should pay someone? And he tweeted, I'll pay someone a $1,000 to fix this. And I was like, ah, fan of the pod. So probably not, but he he did listen.
Ian
00:24:46 – 00:24:51
I wonder if it got fixed. I don't know if he followed up with if he if that fixed it for him.
Aaron
00:24:51 – 00:24:56
No. It just I'm Kinda don't need to do it again. It's just a waste of time. Just a huge waste of time.
Ian
00:24:56 – 00:24:57
He'll be back.
Aaron
00:24:57 – 00:24:57
That's it's
Ian
00:24:57 – 00:24:58
gonna be hysterical when he's back.
Aaron
00:24:58 – 00:24:59
It is.
Ian
00:24:59 – 00:25:17
It is. What else? We got some follow-up. We should just touch on this super quick, from a friend of the show, Sam Selakoff Mhmm. About our location sharing and, that he he shares his location with just anyone who wants it.
Ian
00:25:17 – 00:25:34
Like, basically random people. He's, like, got 20, 30, 50 people, who just follow him around everywhere he goes. His point was in he lives in New York City, and that New York City, it's great because people could just track you down and find you easily, I guess. I don't know. But they just show up when you are.
Aaron
00:25:34 – 00:25:34
You're out
Ian
00:25:34 – 00:25:39
on a date. Somebody random just like, hey. What are you doing? Like, he's single. I don't know.
Ian
00:25:39 – 00:25:50
I guess he I guess but, yeah. So and we I did hear from several other people who are on board with the, location tracking of spouses and other people?
Aaron
00:25:50 – 00:25:53
I think we call it sharing. Location sharing seems a little bit
Ian
00:25:53 – 00:25:55
Location's a little stalky?
Aaron
00:25:55 – 00:26:04
No. Sharing seems nice. Yeah. Yeah. I think most people most people were on my side, or most people that chimed up were on my side.
Ian
00:26:05 – 00:26:14
Something wrong with all you guys. Nobody I don't think there was anybody over 45. I I would like to hear if you're over 45, I wanna hear from you. Are you into the location tracking?
Aaron
00:26:14 – 00:26:19
I don't know a sing I don't know a single person over 45. Not not even one.
Ian
00:26:20 – 00:26:26
I'm the only one. You're the only one. Literally. Yep. Old man.
Ian
00:26:26 – 00:26:35
Old man Ian here. Alright. What about this will be a hot one. AI therapy. This was the hotness I've heard this week.
Ian
00:26:35 – 00:26:40
Felt like this ties in kind of with the tech side of things a little bit.
Aaron
00:26:41 – 00:26:41
Do you
Ian
00:26:41 – 00:26:42
want me to start, or you gotta
Aaron
00:26:42 – 00:26:44
take you to start. No.
Ian
00:26:44 – 00:26:45
I want you to start. This is my take. This is my talk.
Aaron
00:26:45 – 00:26:47
Put it on put it on here. I wanna hear where
Ian
00:26:47 – 00:27:01
you're going. It. So everybody was freaking out over the AI therapy because Levels made has this AI therapy app. And it the thing that was bizarre to me is, like, there's, like, thousands of posts. Right?
Ian
00:27:01 – 00:27:21
And everybody's like, oh, you can't use the ai for therapy. Okay. Fine. We can talk about that in a second. But literally not a single person was like, hey, maybe like putting my deep personal secrets through this app that this one guy just, like, randomly runs and on his, like, sleeve lives by the idea that, like, he doesn't care about security.
Ian
00:27:22 – 00:27:34
He doesn't care about, like, any sort of, like, reliability. Like, he doesn't care. That's not what he's in it for. That's not what he's interested in, which is fine. Like, if you're doing, like, an AI photo thing, if you're running a remote work site, great.
Ian
00:27:34 – 00:27:36
Who cares? Like, doesn't matter.
Aaron
00:27:36 – 00:27:36
If you're
Ian
00:27:36 – 00:27:52
running an AI therapy site, I feel like there's probably laws you're literally breaking. There's probably regulations you're breaking. There's probably a lot of stuff in there that's important to people or should be. So that was my thing. I was like, everybody's freaking out, but, like, nobody's freaking out.
Ian
00:27:52 – 00:28:05
Like, this is literally a dude who's like I tweet about everything I build, and I'm just like tweeting screenshots of this AI therapist, and it's going in some database somewhere that he's half ass running. Like, that to me is my, like, bigger issue with it.
Aaron
00:28:05 – 00:28:05
So I
Ian
00:28:05 – 00:28:09
don't know. Let's start with that level. What do you think about that level?
Aaron
00:28:09 – 00:28:09
That's okay.
Ian
00:28:09 – 00:28:10
Debate.
Aaron
00:28:10 – 00:28:14
That's I'm glad I let you go first. That is not the angle from which I thought you were going to come.
Ian
00:28:14 – 00:28:15
Oh, yeah. Not even a
Aaron
00:28:15 – 00:28:26
little bit. But I should've known. I should've known that's your angle because you had some vague concern about us sharing location. You kept saying big you kept saying big brother, and I was like, what's
Ian
00:28:26 – 00:28:26
big brother?
Aaron
00:28:26 – 00:28:29
Like, I wish I thought about it more. I don't know. And then
Ian
00:28:29 – 00:28:30
Big brother.
Aaron
00:28:30 – 00:28:46
Lest lest we forget, let's go let's go old school with, texts HQ, the little app that I was trying to get you to talk about, and you were like, oh, we're just gonna trust my privacy to some guy running some app, and so we're running the same. It's the same thing again.
Ian
00:28:46 – 00:28:49
It is the same thing. It is the same thing. It is the same thing.
Aaron
00:28:50 – 00:28:56
Yeah. I don't know. It seems like I I was fully prepared to talk about a different angle. So let's see. Security.
Aaron
00:28:58 – 00:29:19
Yeah. I probably wouldn't do it. I don't think it's a great idea to to give levels all of my secrets, and I'm sure Yes. I'm sure it's like I'm sure it's like, 1, he doesn't have time to be reading people's secrets. 2, I don't know that he's actually storing them or if he's just forwarding them on.
Aaron
00:29:19 – 00:29:34
I don't know. But still, I don't I don't feel super comfortable telling levels what all my problems are. I will agree with you. Not the not the angle I thought you were gonna start with, but I, you know, I happen to maybe agree with you on this one. There
Ian
00:29:34 – 00:29:43
we go. That's my first angle. It's just like I mean, you don't know if he's storing it, but he doesn't know if he's storing it either. Let's say not like, he right? Like, he doesn't know either.
Ian
00:29:43 – 00:30:00
Like, is his how his access logs configured on NGINX. Do you think he actually knows? I don't think he actually knows. Like, and he's great and he's successful, and I love that he just runs as one man show. And I'm not even knocking levels, but, like, this is not the kind of service he trusts to this this kind of situation.
Aaron
00:30:00 – 00:30:06
No. I think I think there's probably somewhere in the chain where he is breaking several laws.
Ian
00:30:07 – 00:30:14
To be. He almost assuredly is breaking some kind of law. But I I don't know. Maybe because it's AI on the other end, I guess the law is probably nebulous. Right?
Ian
00:30:14 – 00:30:19
Like, is this just really like a journaling app, essentially? You know? Like, I don't know what it Yeah. You know? I don't know.
Ian
00:30:19 – 00:30:26
I guess it might even depend how it's presented, and things like that. But okay. So then the other more obvious
Aaron
00:30:26 – 00:30:29
thing Yeah. Yeah. Hit me on the other take. I'm ready.
Ian
00:30:29 – 00:30:49
Is is this a good idea in general? Let's say if it is run by like an organization with actual therapists running it and serious technologists and security and all that stuff. I think it is a reasonable idea. I know Wow. That's yes.
Ian
00:30:49 – 00:30:51
And people are going to be some people are gonna be prompted with
Aaron
00:30:53 – 00:30:56
me, I think. But Ian the no man is coming down with a reasonable ruling.
Ian
00:30:56 – 00:31:20
Well, I just think that there's to me, there's a couple things here. One is if, you know, I don't know if I went out to bed therapy. I've definitely done some therapy. A lot of the therapy is kind of like you talking to yourself and then also getting, like, feedback from therapists, but the tens I mean, they are trained to give you certain types of feedback, certain techniques, different things like that. Like these are things that are known.
Ian
00:31:20 – 00:31:22
Like, they're not inventing these things.
Aaron
00:31:22 – 00:31:22
So Okay.
Ian
00:31:23 – 00:31:44
The you know, so I think it's not unreasonable that AI could give you some type of reasonable feedback for common scenarios, which is a lot of people have, you know, like every, the main things are like anxiety, depression, and so on. Like these are not like unique to most people. They're, like, kind of on standard, you know, sort of issues. And so
Aaron
00:31:44 – 00:31:46
So what you're saying is there's nothing new under the sun?
Ian
00:31:46 – 00:32:04
I don't think it's that new. Right? Yeah. And so and the bigger issue to me is that, do I think something like this is better than nothing? Which I think is the actual question because yes, like if you work in tech and you have health insurance, so on and so forth, great.
Ian
00:32:04 – 00:32:25
Like, you can just go get a therapist, then it's gonna cost you $40 a visit, and you have $40 and it's fine. And that is I definitely think a human is generally preferred. Although, again, if you actually try to get a therapist, it's actually super hard and annoying and, like, they're not available and you get one, they don't match up with you and blah blah. So it's not even as easy as it sounds, but whatever. You can afford to do it and you can do it.
Ian
00:32:25 – 00:32:50
But if you're like in, I don't know, like, what if you're in the jungles of Thailand, or you're in Sub Sahara Africa, or you're in you're just poor in New York City or whatever. Like, there are people who can't afford a $175 an hour therapist, that often or ever. So do I think something's better than nothing? Like, probably. So yeah.
Ian
00:32:50 – 00:32:51
So that's my take.
Aaron
00:32:52 – 00:32:55
Wow. That is not where I expected you to come down.
Ian
00:32:55 – 00:32:57
Wow. Look at this, girl.
Aaron
00:32:57 – 00:33:01
All these episodes later, you can still surprise me. That's so dumb.
Ian
00:33:01 – 00:33:04
Yeah. You were married married for 8 months, and you don't even know
Aaron
00:33:04 – 00:33:13
me yet. That's crazy. Okay. Not what I expected. I expected I expected you to be extreme extremely anti.
Ian
00:33:14 – 00:33:15
I really did. Interesting.
Aaron
00:33:15 – 00:33:16
Yeah. Interesting.
Ian
00:33:17 – 00:33:18
Or where do you come down?
Aaron
00:33:20 – 00:33:23
I come down more anti than you do, I think.
Ian
00:33:23 – 00:33:25
Okay. Interesting.
Aaron
00:33:25 – 00:33:52
So I'm not I'm not, I'm not vehemently opposed like many people on Twitter are. Mhmm. I'm not I don't think it's a great idea. I think the thing that moves me the most about what you said is it's better than nothing, which I think is probably true. I think, you know, if this therapist AI thing is if it works, it's better than nothing.
Aaron
00:33:52 – 00:33:56
If it's harmful, it's worse than nothing. So that's that's kind of the
Ian
00:33:56 – 00:34:12
problem there. This is where I don't think you should go to levels therapy ai because I think he's not trained to guide the ai properly. Right? Whereas, like, if you have it built by actual therapists, like, yes, obviously, I can make the AI say all kinds of crazy shit. Right?
Ian
00:34:12 – 00:34:21
Like, it shouldn't be telling me crazy shit when I'm in an emotional moment. So you don't wanna do that. So you absolutely need to have it be constructed properly.
Aaron
00:34:21 – 00:34:30
Yeah. And as a as a, as a connoisseur of therapy myself with a real human, you know, you know, to talk to a person
Ian
00:34:30 – 00:34:31
I've only been with a human.
Aaron
00:34:32 – 00:34:52
I can't imagine trying to have the same conversations or getting the same outcome from an AI. I just I really can't I just can't fathom that. 1, like, the delivery medium of text, I saw he's just recently switched it to, like, avatar video. Swimming head or whatever. It looks even weirder.
Aaron
00:34:52 – 00:34:52
That's
Ian
00:34:53 – 00:34:54
I I think I've prepared that.
Aaron
00:34:54 – 00:35:04
That delivery mechanism doesn't work for me. Like, reading something and being like, wow. That, that's really empowering. I'm like, nah. It's probably not gonna happen.
Aaron
00:35:04 – 00:35:20
And 2, I just feel I don't know. I I feel like the the reason that counseling or or therapy has been so helpful for me is I feel like partially due to the skill of my counselor, not Mhmm. The fact that I'm just talking. Right? Yeah.
Ian
00:35:21 – 00:35:28
Yes. But the but they're they're trained. Right? Like, they're not just, like, inherently have that ability.
Aaron
00:35:28 – 00:35:40
So what you're saying is to be a good counselor is learnable, therefore, teachable to an AI, and therefore, some other better AI might be able to do this well.
Ian
00:35:40 – 00:35:47
I think so. Maybe. You're obviously not gonna get the human connection, right, which is definitely a big
Aaron
00:35:47 – 00:35:49
part of it. It's pretty important. It's pretty important.
Ian
00:35:49 – 00:35:55
Absolutely. I'm I'm not saying it's not. So I do think that's true, but I've also been to bad therapists where I'm like, this
Aaron
00:35:55 – 00:35:56
Yeah. So let's talk about
Ian
00:35:56 – 00:36:03
that. Like I don't know. I think they could definitely be better than a bad therapist. Like, I think they're Yes. That's definitely possible.
Ian
00:36:04 – 00:36:05
So that's where I'm like
Aaron
00:36:06 – 00:36:18
Yeah. So it can be it can be better than a bad therapist. And the takes I keep seeing online are always like, do you know how bad most therapists are? And I'm just like, no. I I don't.
Aaron
00:36:19 – 00:36:29
And I I I have to assume that these people are telling the truth, but I've only ever been to my one guy, like the one counselor that I go to, and he's he's great.
Ian
00:36:29 – 00:36:30
And I
Aaron
00:36:30 – 00:36:47
think it's very it's very, profitable for me to go. And so I'll go, you know, if something terrible is going on, maybe, like, once every other week. And then beyond that, I see him, like, once every 6 months or a year or something if, you know, just something happens.
Ian
00:36:47 – 00:36:48
And Yeah. When you're
Aaron
00:36:49 – 00:37:03
And having, like the other thing is having all of that. Like, he knows everything. He's got the whole history of how I think about things, my life, what's been going on. And I don't know. To show up to a chat and be like, hey.
Aaron
00:37:03 – 00:37:09
Here's what's going on, and then have no context on who I am or how I think about things feels like
Ian
00:37:09 – 00:37:10
Well
Aaron
00:37:10 – 00:37:11
Yeah. I don't know.
Ian
00:37:11 – 00:37:19
I don't know. I mean, I think I think that's actually a point in the eyes favor. Right? Like, it's gonna have perfect recollection of what you've said in past, who you are. Yeah.
Ian
00:37:19 – 00:37:27
Like, I think it could have access to other things like your medical records or whatever. Like, you could have access to all kinds of stuff, like, potentially, theoretically.
Aaron
00:37:27 – 00:37:33
Blowing my mind. So like like, maybe it'll have access to my medical records, and that's a good thing. Who are you? What have you done
Ian
00:37:33 – 00:37:54
with you? No. I'm not saying that you should necessarily. I'm just saying I don't I think the AI is gonna be much more capable of recalling every conversation you've had with it in the past than a human who's seen like, if you if you go back to your therapist for the first time in 2 years, he's seen 200 other people or more in between now and then. Right?
Ian
00:37:54 – 00:38:07
And, like, everybody's story and how's it going on? Like, yeah, he has notes and whatnot, but is he even is he, like, reading every note he's ever taken about you before he talks to you? Like, probably not. So I think that the AI is gonna be very good at recalling
Aaron
00:38:08 – 00:38:10
that stuff. Yeah. I don't know.
Ian
00:38:10 – 00:38:32
That's that's in its wheelhouse more than the human. But yeah, I mean, I agree that like the human still has definitely advantages. Like when the human's giving you its own, maybe things that the humans experienced. Right? Like, that's coming from a different place than the AI if it's just saying that oddly or whatever, things like that.
Ian
00:38:34 – 00:38:45
So yeah. And I I think this is the kind of thing that's not gonna be like tomorrow. Like, I think whatever AI therapy stuff's out there now is horrible and you shouldn't use it. But do I think in 10 years, it's gonna be horrible and you shouldn't use it? Like, I don't know.
Ian
00:38:45 – 00:39:14
I think that's probably not true and that, like, for at the at the the least, it's it'll be better than nothing. And then maybe it's even better than that potentially, or it's some in between phase. Like you could see that. I imagine that like everybody starts with this, analysis by the AI and then like you get pushed to the right therapist for you or whatever. Like there could be all kinds of like intermediate steps in there.
Ian
00:39:14 – 00:39:15
But
Aaron
00:39:15 – 00:39:30
So is is your ruling and what I am what I hearing is your ruling is, you believe that it can happen and it can be good at some point and that you should not use Levels Therapy AI. Is that is that the ruling?
Ian
00:39:30 – 00:39:34
That's about that's that's that's the ruling. I mean, I'd say that's about right. Like,
Aaron
00:39:34 – 00:39:36
I don't have a problem with that ruling, frankly.
Ian
00:39:36 – 00:39:37
Yeah.
Aaron
00:39:37 – 00:39:52
I think I think it can be helpful in the future. It could be done really well, and you shouldn't use Levels Therapy AI. I think yeah. I can see I can I can yeah? I'll just put this on board with.
Ian
00:39:52 – 00:40:07
There's there's also, like, there's the different scenarios of, like, like, I've had times where, like so, I mean, I've been I'm not even in, like, a regular therapist. Like, you have a situation with a guy. Like, a long time ago, I had a fairly regular therapist. I didn't have him for a long time. Then more recently, I've had one again.
Ian
00:40:07 – 00:40:26
And so like, I can imagine, for example, like you're in a crisis situation of whatever sort that crisis is. And like to get in with a therapist in a crisis situation, it means you're waiting a week, 2 weeks. Like, it's not like they're just like sitting there waiting for new patients. Right? Like they're all like busy.
Ian
00:40:27 – 00:40:49
And so, again, that's like a scenario where, like, a really good and well done virtual AI setup might be useful, whether it's even to, like, obviously, you have to know enough to be like, hey, you should go to, like, a therapy center, like a psychiatric center if it's like you're really very bad off. Right. Or okay. We can work through this or whatever. These are very big things.
Ian
00:40:49 – 00:41:07
So I'm not like, you know, it's gonna be a while till I think it's ready to do that. But at the same time, do I think it's better than you're just sitting there for 2 weeks freaking out, without any assistance? Like, I think it's probably better than that. So I don't know. Yeah.
Ian
00:41:07 – 00:41:09
Yeah. I know. It's hard. It's hard.
Aaron
00:41:09 – 00:41:16
Fine. It's better than that. And, like, anything can hap yeah. 10 years from now, it's gonna be great. Yeah.
Aaron
00:41:16 – 00:41:17
It'll be awesome. But the question
Ian
00:41:17 – 00:41:19
is be, but it could be. It could be.
Aaron
00:41:19 – 00:41:32
The question is, is it good today? And I don't Yeah. I don't think it's good. Knowing what I know about, going to actual counseling and chatting with chat GPT, I don't I I don't think it's probably good enough today. No.
Aaron
00:41:32 – 00:41:41
I haven't used his thing, but I just I can't imagine it's great. If he had branded it life coach, I'm like, great. That's awesome.
Ian
00:41:41 – 00:41:48
Right. Yeah. Yeah. Going full therapist AI is a little bit it's implying a lot. That's not
Aaron
00:41:48 – 00:41:49
It is. Yeah.
Ian
00:41:49 – 00:42:20
Not there. And definitely in the sense of, like, when you use AI, right, you'd know as those of us probably listening to this, like, if you use chat gbt a lot or various AI tools, like, you can guide them very heavily, which I think is one of, like, the negatives. Right? Like, you want it to be able to guide you and to not be able to be pulled off track necessarily by what you wanted to tell you or by what, you know, anything like that, which I think right now it's not really that good at. Like, I feel like whenever I ask it anything, it kinda wants to to say yes.
Ian
00:42:20 – 00:42:22
It's like a good dog. Like, it's like it wants
Aaron
00:42:22 – 00:42:22
to be happy.
Ian
00:42:22 – 00:42:26
It wants to get your approval. It wants to say it can do it. And
Aaron
00:42:26 – 00:42:32
challenge it and you say, that's not true. And they're like, oh, you're right. That is true. Congratulations on being so smart, sir.
Ian
00:42:32 – 00:42:49
Yeah. Exactly. So that part's not great, especially in a therapy environment. You you want somebody who could tell you, yeah, you're doing that wrong and here's how what you should be doing or whatever, like, you know, in the right moments to be able to have that knowledge to do that. So yeah.
Ian
00:42:49 – 00:43:27
So that's where I agree. Like, right now, especially this particular tool, but any tool probably right now is not likely ready for that level of responsibility. But I all could also see that improving because, like, that's a big problem with AI stuff right now in general. Even for my own use cases with HubSpot and things we're building there, it's like that it always wants to be so helpful, and it won't just say it doesn't know without you really jumping through a lot of hoops to make sure it'll say it doesn't know, is like a huge downside and a big problem with building actually useful tools that where you just don't want it to say something wrong. Like, saying something wrong is way worse than saying nothing.
Ian
00:43:27 – 00:43:44
And I want it to say nothing, not something incorrectly. So yep. Yeah, but I think that's a, I would assume a problem that they are attempting to, fix the the big brains, out there in AI land. But anyway, that's my hot take.
Aaron
00:43:44 – 00:43:46
Man. Yeah. Surprising.
Ian
00:43:47 – 00:43:47
Hot one.
Aaron
00:43:47 – 00:43:50
Love it. That's a good one. That's a good one.
Ian
00:43:52 – 00:43:56
What else is going on? What else you got? What's up with your stuff? How about an update? What's up
Aaron
00:43:56 – 00:44:00
with your bit of ecosystem? Update. Publish a new video.
Ian
00:44:00 – 00:44:01
Yes.
Aaron
00:44:01 – 00:44:14
Publish a new video about, Laravel Octane. And this is the this is the beginning of a, you know, 20, 30, 40 part series about the Laravel ecosystem.
Ian
00:44:14 – 00:44:15
Just a little something.
Aaron
00:44:15 – 00:44:33
Just how, you know, however many packages and offerings they have. Yep. It's doing great. I'm surprised. So this is the first one that Steve and I worked together on for, for my personal channel, which is, you know, a a company channel, but it's just easier to say my personal channel.
Aaron
00:44:33 – 00:44:43
So Yep. First one, we worked together, so it's got some graphics, some music, a little intro, that kind of stuff. Looks great. He's Yep. Way more talented than I am and turned out amazing.
Aaron
00:44:43 – 00:44:56
Yeah. So, you know, I'm happy I'm happy with the video. I think it looks good, and we publish it. And I'm, you know, I'm telling Steve, like, hey. This is gonna be a good video for us to have long term.
Aaron
00:44:56 – 00:45:16
I don't think this is gonna like, this isn't gonna, like, drive a lot of clicks, and it's not gonna be a big one. It's it's the number one video I've published out of the past 10. Yeah. It's got 15,000 views already, and it's, like, 2 days in. And I'm just like, I you know, normally, I'm I'm I fret over, like, what's the angle?
Aaron
00:45:16 – 00:45:23
What's the packaging? How am I gonna get people to, like, click on this? And this one is just what is Laravel Octane? And that's it.
Ian
00:45:23 – 00:45:27
I know that. It was not even, like, your normal thing. It's just like, yeah. What is Laravel Octane? Here it is.
Ian
00:45:27 – 00:45:28
Yeah.
Aaron
00:45:28 – 00:45:39
There's no hype. There's no mystery. It's just what is Larival Octane, and the video delivers on teaching you what Larival Octane is. And it's doing great. So good to be back, first of all.
Ian
00:45:39 – 00:45:39
Good to
Aaron
00:45:39 – 00:45:44
be, like, back on the channel, back in the Laravel world, doing some fun stuff.
Ian
00:45:44 – 00:45:45
Yeah.
Aaron
00:45:45 – 00:45:56
Very, very excited about the future of the channel with Steve. I think we can hit I think we can hit a 100000 subscribers pretty quickly and get that silver play button.
Ian
00:45:56 – 00:45:57
I think we can Oh, yeah.
Aaron
00:45:57 – 00:45:59
We can do it. I think What are
Ian
00:45:59 – 00:46:00
you at now? Like, 35?
Aaron
00:46:00 – 00:46:25
30, 31, 32, something like that. Yeah. So that'll be fun. And, yeah, we've got a whole backlog of ideas for the personal channel, and then I'm still doing a lot of reading, studying, for the SQLite course. And Steve's working on Steve's working on the landing page for that, for that site.
Aaron
00:46:25 – 00:46:38
And then hopefully, this week at some point, we'll announce on Twitter, hey. This is the course we're doing. This is who we're doing it with, and here's the landing page where you can sign up for the wait list. So everything's moving along, man. It's going fast.
Ian
00:46:38 – 00:46:45
Now once you do that, like, what you're trying to get it out in a couple months, I assume, or something like that?
Aaron
00:46:45 – 00:46:48
The idea would be June June 5th.
Ian
00:46:49 – 00:46:52
June 5th? Holy cow.
Aaron
00:46:52 – 00:46:53
I know.
Ian
00:46:53 – 00:46:53
Okay.
Aaron
00:46:53 – 00:46:55
I know. But Got
Ian
00:46:55 – 00:46:56
some work to do.
Aaron
00:46:56 – 00:47:10
Got some work to do, but this is also this is my full time job. That's true. So, you know, it makes it makes it so much easier, excuse me, than trying to do it, you know, course nights and weekends, which is extremely hard.
Ian
00:47:11 – 00:47:14
And, like, 20 videos ish, you said? Kinda like your
Aaron
00:47:14 – 00:47:17
More than that. Probably 1 not? 30, 40, something like that.
Ian
00:47:17 – 00:47:18
Okay.
Aaron
00:47:18 – 00:47:29
Hopefully, a lot of the SQL content will translate from, you know, the MySQL course. Yes. But there's a lot there's a lot about SQLite that is very, very different.
Ian
00:47:30 – 00:47:30
Yeah.
Aaron
00:47:30 – 00:47:33
And so there will be a lot of new stuff to teach, which will be fun.
Ian
00:47:34 – 00:47:52
Yeah. I think getting people's head around, like, if you even, like, I can assume that they have some MySQL knowledge or right, then it's like, well, this is how this is different. Like, there is, like, a mental model is a bit different than your standard client server setup. Totally. So and the advantages and disadvantages and all that.
Ian
00:47:53 – 00:47:54
June 5th. Wow.
Aaron
00:47:55 – 00:47:56
Tight. Right?
Ian
00:47:56 – 00:48:05
It's a little tight. It's a little tight. Do some other stuff. And, I mean, if you do one of these Laravel videos every couple weeks and Yep. So on and so forth.
Ian
00:48:05 – 00:48:10
But but, yeah, the flip side, if you can get it out, that's very nice too. Yep. Get it going.
Aaron
00:48:11 – 00:48:27
Yep. So that'll be our first that'll be our first, like, you know, big, exposure to the market as as a company. And so trying to really, really nail it Yeah. Because it's kind of a big deal.
Ian
00:48:28 – 00:48:46
Yeah. I do like trying to get it out fast even though it's gonna be tight because I do think there is, like, that SQL lite is in the air a bit. And so you wanna capitalize on that before whatever somebody comes out with some new thing or it just passes by and then you're not right there. So like, I think that's that's pretty good. But wow.
Ian
00:48:46 – 00:48:52
Okay. Man. Yeah. This is the max effort era. That's what I'm hearing here.
Aaron
00:48:52 – 00:48:56
Yeah. It is. This is the we gotta make money now era. So Yeah.
Ian
00:48:56 – 00:48:59
Yeah. That's motivating. That's motivating. It is nice that when you
Aaron
00:48:59 – 00:49:00
sell it motivating.
Ian
00:49:00 – 00:49:06
Yeah. It's the course. And if you sell it, you'll make more money directly. Yep. That's a linear relationship.
Ian
00:49:06 – 00:49:06
So
Aaron
00:49:06 – 00:49:07
Mhmm.
Ian
00:49:07 – 00:49:10
I like that. Oh my goodness. Alright.
Aaron
00:49:10 – 00:49:11
I know.
Ian
00:49:12 – 00:49:17
Wow. And then you were working on the, on some more stuff too, so I guess that's you know, you just got them queued up then.
Aaron
00:49:19 – 00:49:34
Yeah. So we've got the the main thing that we're working on together right now is the the SQLite course. He's, you know, working on the side. I'm working on some other stuff for the course, but, like, that's the main big thing that we're working on. Yeah.
Aaron
00:49:34 – 00:49:41
And then after that, we've got another course, like, that's gonna be directly behind it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Ian
00:49:42 – 00:49:53
Now are you gonna take, like, the structure? Like, are you kinda using the MySQL course as the, like, structure roughly and then, like, applying this to different platforms, basically?
Aaron
00:49:54 – 00:50:18
Yeah. I think so. I think with with SQLite, I'm still looking for the, like, I'm still looking for the correct angle for it. I think it's gonna have to be more like, you know, production ready SQLite, because I think the big thing that people like, the the the big hang up with people using SQLite is they think it's not ready. Like, it's a toy.
Ian
00:50:18 – 00:50:20
Right? Just for tests or whatever.
Aaron
00:50:20 – 00:50:24
Yeah. For tests. It's for embedded applications. It's not actually for web apps.
Ian
00:50:24 – 00:50:25
Yeah.
Aaron
00:50:25 – 00:50:35
And so I think what the packaging I'm gonna try to hit with that is, like, SQLite for production, probably. That's kind of what what I'm angling, like, circling around.
Ian
00:50:35 – 00:50:36
Yeah.
Aaron
00:50:36 – 00:50:57
But then I still think I do need to teach a lot of the, like, basic SQL stuff. I think what, you know, Steve and I have talked about is I think I have to assume that anyone watching this SQLite course hasn't hasn't worked with databases much before, hasn't definitely hasn't watched the MySQL course.
Ian
00:50:57 – 00:50:58
Yeah. Yeah. For sure.
Aaron
00:50:58 – 00:51:19
And so teaching a lot of, like, here's here's good, like, indexing, and here's good querying, all of that. But as it relates to SQLite, I still think a lot of that material is going to exist. So some of it'll be configuring, like, SQLite for production, but then a lot of it is just gonna be using it using it well.
Ian
00:51:20 – 00:51:38
Yeah. Well, okay. I could imagine, like, hopefully, a lot of the buyers of this course would be, like, the JavaScript crowd, where like the Laravel crowd is gonna probably have used the database in some Yeah. Capacity. But the JavaScript crowd probably is more likely to have not.
Ian
00:51:38 – 00:52:13
And then since we have this world of like the and d one and Mhmm. The other SQL light sort of distributed production ready platforms that, like, that's gonna be appealing to that crowd, especially, I would think. Yep. So, yeah, having it be more like, yeah, if you don't know SQL, that's fine, or you don't know much. And and then obviously, if you do, as long as it's structured where like, yeah, I can watch the SQL light parts that are new to me, but I don't necessarily need to like know how to do an insert because, yeah, I got the how to do inserts and updates part and all that.
Ian
00:52:13 – 00:52:15
So yeah. Yeah.
Aaron
00:52:15 – 00:52:38
So right now, I'm in I'm in extreme information gathering phase. So I've got my books and my blogs and my YouTube videos, my podcasts, all that stuff. I'm just absorbing it all. And then after that comes, like, the coalescing and, like, the outline outlining stage. So I'm not I'm not quite there yet, which is why I don't know exactly what the structure is gonna be and what the angle is.
Aaron
00:52:39 – 00:52:49
But right now, my only priority is read and take as many notes as I possibly can. And then after that, from that primordial soup comes a a structure, of course.
Ian
00:52:49 – 00:53:02
I think they also just announced, like, pretty recently that they were doing, like, the new I think it was like, the new JSON column, like, the faster JSON column and stuff like that. So it was like and even full text search, I think, recently had some changes. So this is, like, a lot of, like
Aaron
00:53:02 – 00:53:03
They're pushing, man.
Ian
00:53:03 – 00:53:13
Yeah. Like, stuff's happening really, you know, right up to the minute here. There's a lot going on with it. Yeah. So interesting.
Aaron
00:53:14 – 00:53:22
So question for you. Mhmm. Is is my is my sequel over? Is it dead? Because now that I'm on that now that I'm on the outside
Ian
00:53:23 – 00:53:23
Right.
Aaron
00:53:23 – 00:53:32
Nobody's nobody's talking about it. Yeah. Nobody cares about it. I thought, you know, I'm on I'm on the inside for so long, and I'm like, yeah. This is great.
Aaron
00:53:32 – 00:53:40
And I still think, you know, I still think that company is pushing my sequel forward, but nobody else is. Nobody's talking about it. What's the deal?
Ian
00:53:41 – 00:53:49
It's hard to say. I do get that vibe of what you're saying there. I think I can't tell. I feel like it's like it maybe it's on the knife's edge. Right?
Ian
00:53:49 – 00:53:58
Like, part of me is like, like, this is what people said about PHP forever. Right? Right. Exactly. But it's still here and still, like, the number one language of the Internet and whatever, but, like, it's dead.
Ian
00:53:58 – 00:54:12
Okay. We get it. And, yes, like, if you're the ultra cool kid and you have infinite VC money, yeah, you're gonna go use Postgres or single store or whatever. Click house or whatever other modern fancy SQLite. That's the hot.
Ian
00:54:12 – 00:54:41
Whatever hotness you want to use great fun But if you're just like the average Joe, you're just gonna use my sequel method. But it is like falling behind in some, like, pretty critical ways that seem bad. Like, when you start to really dig into, especially Postgres, there's just a lot of really useful stuff in there. And I know. I haven't used it, so maybe it doesn't live up to the hype, but every Postgres person ever is like ultra Kool Aid drinking like this.
Ian
00:54:41 – 00:54:50
Are. You have to They really are. Yeah. And so I don't know. I'm a and these are people I actually respect, I don't think they're just like they don't know what they're talking about.
Ian
00:54:50 – 00:55:02
They're people who've used it for a decade or more and think it's great. So yeah. So I'm like, oh, man. There's a lot of stuff in there that I wish my SQL had. So that's not a bummer.
Ian
00:55:02 – 00:55:17
And, yeah. So I don't know. It could be it could be trouble. It could be that, like, the MySQL trade offs of the world go SQL Lite because it's like, okay. Like, SQL Lite also doesn't have some of those cool hotnesses, but you get something that's, like, a 100 times faster, which is pretty cool.
Ian
00:55:17 – 00:55:18
And, like
Aaron
00:55:18 – 00:55:19
Way easier to run.
Ian
00:55:19 – 00:55:30
Yeah. Easier to run and stuff like that. Or if you need the full power, then, yeah, you're gonna go postgres. But, yeah, I don't know. I'm a little worried.
Ian
00:55:30 – 00:55:30
I mean, it's
Aaron
00:55:30 – 00:55:31
not gonna go
Ian
00:55:31 – 00:55:46
away, obviously. Yeah. But it seems like Oracle I mean, you knew when Oracle took it over that this was not gonna be probably that great for it. I mean, WordPress, I think still only runs my SQL. So I mean, I guess that's for something.
Ian
00:55:47 – 00:56:01
But I don't know. I mean, it's also easier than ever to support different databases sort of, kind of. I mean, we support 2 databases. It's not awesome, but it's possible. But then on SaaS apps, it's not really that necessary.
Ian
00:56:01 – 00:56:07
So No. Yeah. I don't know. That is a good question. I don't think you should be, like, running out.
Ian
00:56:07 – 00:56:11
I don't know if you need to replicate your MySQL course just yet. I think that's probably Yeah.
Aaron
00:56:11 – 00:56:12
Not just yet.
Ian
00:56:12 – 00:56:13
Down the road.
Aaron
00:56:13 – 00:56:25
Yeah. That's the other that's the other thing about not replicating the MySQL courses. We'd love to get a sponsor, but who's gonna sponsor MySQL course? I can only think of 1 company. I don't want them.
Ian
00:56:25 – 00:56:38
Yeah. On the sponsorship track, it's a little bit trickier. Yeah. What do you think about this, what is it? Department of Labor, whoever, saying that all the Non competes.
Ian
00:56:39 – 00:56:40
Noncompetes are all dead.
Aaron
00:56:41 – 00:56:42
Kinda
Ian
00:56:42 – 00:56:49
like not directly applicable to your situation, but it's kind of, like, in the ballpark of what you were noodling a little bit. It's kinda interesting.
Aaron
00:56:49 – 00:56:52
It it is kinda interesting. Glad to see it. I think it's great.
Ian
00:56:52 – 00:56:52
Yeah. I
Aaron
00:56:52 – 00:57:00
think noncompetes dying are great. I think nondisperagements would be next. That would be awesome.
Ian
00:57:00 – 00:57:08
That would be that's so weird that that's still there. I feel like these are all the same vibe. Right. Right? Like, why do not once I leave this company, why can't I say what I want?
Ian
00:57:08 – 00:57:09
Why can't I Right.
Aaron
00:57:09 – 00:57:09
Exactly.
Ian
00:57:10 – 00:57:19
Do what I want? Like, if I like, just seems like that would be logical, but, I guess that's yeah. I don't know. I mean, they're really very similar. I don't know.
Ian
00:57:19 – 00:57:26
That is weird. But, Yeah. I think it's gonna be interesting to see. It could be cause some commotion, I feel like.
Aaron
00:57:26 – 00:57:27
I think it could. I think
Ian
00:57:27 – 00:57:28
it that's gonna be awesome.
Aaron
00:57:28 – 00:57:54
I was at the doctor this morning, and she was she said, you know, do you have a primary care? And I was like, well, I normally see, you know, this lady across the hall. You know, I was at the endocrinologist, and she's asking about primary care, and I said, I normally see this lady across the hall, but she just left. And she was like, my endo was like, yeah, this new ruling from the FTC is really interesting for us. I think a lot of doctors are gonna leave.
Aaron
00:57:54 – 00:57:57
And I was like, that never crossed my mind.
Ian
00:57:58 – 00:58:00
They had a noncompete. That's Never crossed
Aaron
00:58:00 – 00:58:09
my mind. She was like, yeah. A lot of doctors have left recently to do concierge medicine, and they had to, like, pay through the nose to get their noncompete
Ian
00:58:10 – 00:58:11
To get out.
Aaron
00:58:11 – 00:58:20
To buy it out. And she's like, now now that they're illegal, we might have a lot of doctors just starting their own practices. I was like, that is fascinating.
Ian
00:58:20 – 00:58:38
Well, you know, let me this is I can hook this into a story I have here because I just recently, you know, so I've been at one of these Borg doctor things. Right. Where they just have everything. They bought up everybody in the region. There's no other doctors and everybody works at this big Borg thing.
Ian
00:58:38 – 00:58:44
Right. And I don't love it. I mean, yes, it's very convenient. It's nice. You go downstairs and get blood work and you can go over here and get the skin.
Aaron
00:58:44 – 00:58:46
Do you love that? Do you love that?
Ian
00:58:46 – 00:58:58
Car is nice. It's all in one system, your records like that undeniably, there are some good aspects. But, like, getting in to see your doctor is not one of the good aspects. Like, it's very hard to get an appointment. Like, you're not gonna get a sick appointment.
Ian
00:58:58 – 00:59:10
Like, there's just, like, you want a, a physical. You have to literally book it a year out. Like, there's no just, like, Yeah. Like, it's crazy. Like, they book physicals a year out and often not even with your doctor.
Ian
00:59:10 – 00:59:13
It's like with a, you know, whatever that half a doctor thing is.
Aaron
00:59:13 – 00:59:14
RM. Whatever
Ian
00:59:14 – 00:59:17
that's called. No. Not an no. It's like a PA. Yeah.
Ian
00:59:17 – 00:59:27
Like a PA. A physician assistant. Yeah. So you basically can never see your doctor. Like, you just the the primary care doctor is just like a name on a sheet, but, like, you don't ever see that doctor.
Ian
00:59:27 – 00:59:33
So and this is annoying. I'm like, this is like, yes. All my records are in there kind of, but it's kinda like what what we're talking with the therapist. Yeah.
Aaron
00:59:33 – 00:59:35
It's got access to my records.
Ian
00:59:35 – 00:59:50
And also not even that much. So, like, they don't know me. Like, they don't yes. Like, you can see the test I've taken, but they don't know, like, whatever I've said to them in the past because it's always a different person. So I had enough, and I went to a concierge doctor thing and it was like, okay.
Ian
00:59:51 – 01:00:15
And my insurance is like, kind of, we have like the like Lower tier 1 because the costs are insane. So it's like I pay like $90 a visit anyway So I'm like, well, I'm just gonna pay $300 and that's annoying to pay that more. But now this is just like a doctor like you get a whole hour with them instead of like 5 minutes and and she's great. And she's like, yeah, like I had this other thing going on. She's emailing with me.
Ian
01:00:15 – 01:00:31
I was like, this is fantastic. Like, this is so much better. Like I have a question and I could just email her instead of having to, like, try to make an appointment for 3 weeks from now when the person has 7 minutes for me. Like, no, I just like, and it not even charged me for that. Wasn't even charged.
Ian
01:00:31 – 01:00:38
Just like answer the question over email. That's amazing. It was great. It was unbelievable. I was like, this is like some living in the future stuff here.
Ian
01:00:38 – 01:00:40
So Yeah. So what's the
Aaron
01:00:40 – 01:00:42
deal? No no insurance accepted.
Ian
01:00:42 – 01:00:43
Right. No insurance.
Aaron
01:00:43 – 01:00:51
Out of pocket. You go presumably, you're still going to their office. They're not coming to you. Okay.
Ian
01:00:51 – 01:00:53
Yeah. This one that yeah. She doesn't come to me. You go And you
Aaron
01:00:53 – 01:00:56
can get appointments pretty quickly.
Ian
01:00:56 – 01:01:07
Tons of appointments. Yeah. She has tons of appointments because just her and, like, her I mean, presumably, I think she's only been doing this a little while. So, yeah, as it builds up, it'll probably get a little harder, but I don't think it's gonna be, like, 3 weeks for an appointment.
Aaron
01:01:10 – 01:01:14
Yeah. Concierge, white glove landsman. That's amazing.
Ian
01:01:14 – 01:01:32
Good. And I think for stuff like a annual physical, I would could probably submit it to the insurance and get something back on it, like whatever they pay, like Who's who's got a guy? Bucks or something. Like, we actually do off the duet But I actually didn't do it for this. I should I should try.
Ian
01:01:33 – 01:01:41
But yeah, so I don't know. But, anyway, it's good to hear that. Wow. Let get them out of the borg. Let the borg be for the specialist.
Ian
01:01:41 – 01:01:43
I think the specialist makes a lot of sense in the borg.
Aaron
01:01:43 – 01:01:45
I go to the borg. The borg is great.
Ian
01:01:45 – 01:01:45
Yeah.
Aaron
01:01:45 – 01:01:58
For for a specialist, the borg is great. I've got my endo on one level. I've got my, rheumatologist on another. The primary care is there, and the the lab is there. Yeah.
Aaron
01:01:58 – 01:02:01
That's the lab. RI or or an X-ray, I can go downstairs and get that.
Ian
01:02:01 – 01:02:15
They got all, stuff, which is the same thing we've been doing And it's fine when it's fine. It's just that sometimes it's not the greatest. So, like, I kinda like that. So my current working plan
Aaron
01:02:15 – 01:02:16
Here we go.
Ian
01:02:16 – 01:02:17
I got this primary outside
Aaron
01:02:18 – 01:02:18
Mhmm.
Ian
01:02:18 – 01:02:28
And she's kinda like quarterback. Right? If she says I need to go do something, I'm gonna go to my local board because she's a little bit farther away. I'm gonna go to my local board and go in there and do whatever. Concierge.
Ian
01:02:29 – 01:02:29
Yes.
Aaron
01:02:30 – 01:02:36
Okay. So the primary concierge quarterback, she's telling you to go somewhere, and then you're gonna go to the borg if you need something.
Ian
01:02:36 – 01:02:45
Yes. So if I need to go do anything, I will go back to the borg and do scans or tests or whatever. Fine. That's in the borg. But just for, like, hey.
Ian
01:02:45 – 01:03:05
Every year, I get a physical. Hey. I got a question about some random thing. Like, I just go to her, and I can get an answer instantly instead of, like, trying to get in with my position, which is literally impossible, and then just see the physician's assistant who's never seen me before because there's, like, a1000 of them. And, yeah, like that seems great.
Ian
01:03:05 – 01:03:08
Like it's it's far. That does seem great. It's good. So I
Aaron
01:03:08 – 01:03:09
like that.
Ian
01:03:09 – 01:03:26
I think if you have something like wrong with you more seriously or whatever, then the full integration, I think does probably have advantages, but knock on wood right now. I don't have anything like that. So it's like, I have a quarterback. I go to the board when I need it. But anyway, there's a whole side tangent about these things are existing and are cool.
Ian
01:03:26 – 01:03:33
You might wanna check them out. And it sounds like there might be more of an option because I don't know, whenever you go to the doctors, they always seem quite stressed and, like, at
Aaron
01:03:33 – 01:03:38
least they're. So stressed. Like, they're so stressed at the board. No time. No.
Aaron
01:03:38 – 01:03:38
Yeah.
Ian
01:03:38 – 01:03:41
They're not happy in the board. Like, they would, like, just sitting here.
Aaron
01:03:41 – 01:03:42
Paid enough.
Ian
01:03:42 – 01:03:52
Right. And even if you are, it's like, yeah. This person's trying to, like, tell me what's wrong with them in, like, 5 minutes. And I'm, like, telling them to hurry up because, like, there's people waiting, you know,
Aaron
01:03:52 – 01:03:53
so already behind. Yeah.
Ian
01:03:53 – 01:03:55
Yeah. You know, even if they don't say it to
Aaron
01:03:55 – 01:03:56
you, you
Ian
01:03:56 – 01:04:09
get the vibe of they're like, okay. Like, you know, give give me what you got. Let's go. And, like, so much it was unbelievable how much nicer it was to, like, just sit down and have an actual conversation for 45 minutes with the doctor. It was crazy.
Ian
01:04:09 – 01:04:14
It blew my mind. It was awesome. So Man. Okay. Yeah.
Aaron
01:04:14 – 01:04:20
No. There's your segment on non competes. Hopefully, we get more cons concierge doctors. Woo.
Ian
01:04:22 – 01:04:49
Alright, we got a couple other things on here. I just had this note because so I've been doing some like technical debt cleanup stuff on help spot. Since after, you know, last week we talked about that. We're not doing the full rebuild And I came across some code that was, like, kind of crazy. It's like we had this code to and then I thought Laravel did this, and it turns out Laravel still doesn't do it.
Ian
01:04:49 – 01:04:53
So it's actually not even that crazy, the code, as crazy as I thought when I wrote this note because This
Aaron
01:04:53 – 01:04:54
is juicy.
Ian
01:04:54 – 01:05:22
For my SQL anyway. And I think all the database platforms you can, set the length of an index. So like if you index a long, you know, a wide, column, like you have an email column that's 250 characters wide, like but the email lookup, like, you don't necessarily need to store the whole email in the index. Like, you might be able to get away with just a prefix of it. Like, the first 20 the 20 characters of it is gonna be like most emails and then crazy long ones.
Ian
01:05:22 – 01:05:40
It'll be fine. So we had this like whole custom blueprint where we were overriding the like Larabelle's internal blueprint stuff so that, like, when you make call index, it, like, has an option to get a length and blah blah blah. This is the
Aaron
01:05:40 – 01:05:42
good stuff. You're deep in the internal. I love this.
Ian
01:05:42 – 01:05:55
Deep in there. And, then yeah. So I was like, oh, well, I'm gonna, like because I was cleaning all this stuff up, and I was like, oh, I'm just gonna, like, use Laravel's way it does it now. I'm I just, like, assumed it did it now. And I went to look, it doesn't do it now.
Ian
01:05:55 – 01:06:05
Like, you actually can't do it. You still got nothing. So then I was like, oh man, like, do I have to keep this? I really didn't wanna keep it. Cause I'm trying to get rid of like weird stuff like that.
Ian
01:06:05 – 01:06:36
Like I don't wanna be have this weird stuff to maintain that nobody understands. So then I actually looked at how often we use this, and it's like it was like 6 or 8 columns out of like 70 tables and it's like, Whatever. We'll just store the whole indexes. Like we'll just do a full width index and whatever who cares it'll be a little extra data and no big deal, but like Yeah, I thought that was kind of crazy that like I don't know that we were doing that is crazy and then that Laravel doesn't yet support it is also kinda crazy. I don't know.
Ian
01:06:36 – 01:06:45
That is kinda that is kinda crazy. Underlying thing does it, or I guess there's no underlying thing anymore. I I guess they never did that. Right? What the hell is that thing called?
Ian
01:06:45 – 01:06:47
You know what I'm saying? The
Aaron
01:06:47 – 01:06:48
the doctrine stuff?
Ian
01:06:48 – 01:06:49
Yeah. The doctrine stuff.
Aaron
01:06:49 – 01:06:50
I don't think they use that for,
Ian
01:06:51 – 01:06:52
they got rid of the builder.
Aaron
01:06:52 – 01:06:56
Yeah. Yeah. They use it for, like, schema inspection maybe, but not for the builder.
Ian
01:06:56 – 01:06:58
Yeah. They got rid of it. Totally.
Aaron
01:06:58 – 01:07:01
Yeah. That's surprising that they don't support prefix indexes.
Ian
01:07:01 – 01:07:02
Is. Right?
Aaron
01:07:02 – 01:07:19
I am the I guess it's not surprising in the sense that most people would never use it. Yeah. Probably. Taking it on and maintaining it doesn't sound like that much fun if nobody's ever gonna use it. But the fact that they don't have it at all is kinda surprising.
Ian
01:07:20 – 01:07:33
It is kinda weird. It's a weird thing. If you're not, like, deep in databases, you I'm sure don't even know about it and never even thought about it. You're like, I just put an index on the thing I need to index, and it's like, I don't know. It's probably more of an old school.
Ian
01:07:33 – 01:07:39
I mean, this code was literally from, like, Laravel 5 or 4 days.
Aaron
01:07:39 – 01:07:42
Like This does sound like a proper DBA thing to do.
Ian
01:07:42 – 01:08:03
Yeah. That's what some I think the developer maybe got in there and was going deep on it. So, like, because we had done that before even from forever ago 20 years ago. I had done that from like because in SQL Server land where I grew up this was a thing. Like you don't waste storage on indexes that you don't need, by making them unnecessarily wide and blah, blah.
Ian
01:08:03 – 01:08:21
But then I was researching it a little bit and it sounds like sometimes that actually messes up the query planner, at least in my SQL, probably not in SQL server, where it doesn't love that the the pre the prefix index. And so then it gets confused, and it might do a table scan anyway. So then I was like, whatever. Let's just do the full index.
Aaron
01:08:22 – 01:08:27
Stupid query planner. Yeah. There are downsides. You can't use it for sorting, for example.
Ian
01:08:27 – 01:08:29
Yeah. That would be cool.
Aaron
01:08:29 – 01:08:32
It's not a full length index. But yeah. Yep. Yeah.
Ian
01:08:32 – 01:08:44
Yeah. Which is is a big thing for us. Sometimes we have some big sorts. So now I'm kinda curious to see maybe this is gonna be, like, awesome, and it'll be better in some ways. All the columns that was on was, like, email and a couple other things.
Ian
01:08:44 – 01:08:45
So I
Aaron
01:08:45 – 01:08:49
do love that you've been carrying this around for, you know, 5, 10 years.
Ian
01:08:49 – 01:09:07
There's stuff deep in there. There's there's crazy stuff. There's like so HelpSpot being originally a pure PHP application has includes, like, include ones, require ones, and stuff like that.
Aaron
01:09:08 – 01:09:10
Header dot PHP, footer dot PHP.
Ian
01:09:11 – 01:09:17
Yeah. Yeah. So we don't that's the main one we have. So we have similar type of structures in some places. And but we had these includes, like, everywhere.
Ian
01:09:17 – 01:09:31
Like, because there's just sometimes you need a function and it's including it in the page. And it's like, I was like, we don't need to have all these includes. Because, like, also, again, in ancient history PHP, it was like, don't include anything you're not using. Like, because the computers are slow, and it's gonna be slow and what. I was like, it's not slow anymore.
Ian
01:09:31 – 01:09:45
Everything's super fast. So I just made a service provider that's like the boot up HubSpot service provider, and it's it's like all the includes are just in there. And it's just like, yeah, it just it's fine. It's like literally has zero impact on the speed. Yeah.
Ian
01:09:45 – 01:09:55
I think it was actually faster. Like, it was crazy. So, like, it does does nothing. And if you have opcode cache on, it it has to be, like, doesn't matter at all. So it's like, all these are in one place now.
Ian
01:09:55 – 01:10:07
We don't have to worry about it. The function, their classes are all there and and whatever. And then even now if we then refactor some of it to be PSR 4 or whatever, like, everything's in one spot at least. It's not like just shit everywhere. So I've been doing a lot of stuff like that.
Ian
01:10:07 – 01:10:09
Just just tech
Aaron
01:10:09 – 01:10:15
debt. Sounds like it's spring cleaning through and through with the landsman household. I love it.
Ian
01:10:15 – 01:10:21
Spring cleaning episode. Yep. Alright, man. Anything else we need to cover?
Aaron
01:10:22 – 01:10:29
Let's finish with this. PHP NYC. It looks looked awesome. Are Yes. I know.
Ian
01:10:29 – 01:10:30
I think they're back.
Aaron
01:10:30 – 01:10:31
Are they?
Ian
01:10:31 – 01:10:33
I think they're I'm so mad I didn't go
Aaron
01:10:33 – 01:10:40
to though? You're the big New York guy. You're like, oh, New York. If you can make it here, you can make it anywhere, and then you don't show up to the PHP NYC.
Ian
01:10:40 – 01:10:48
Dude, I feel terrible. I couldn't make it to the first one. I couldn't make it to this one. I need to get down there. It it looks amazing.
Ian
01:10:48 – 01:10:50
I love that this is back.
Aaron
01:10:50 – 01:11:00
Caleb Grazio drove down from from BFE or Buffalo. He flew. Holland, Mary Mary Perry was there.
Ian
01:11:00 – 01:11:01
She was there.
Aaron
01:11:01 – 01:11:05
Joe Trenbaum, John Rudolph Drexler. Everybody was there except Ian.
Ian
01:11:05 – 01:11:11
Ah, dude, it was killing me. Trust me. Like, I I think I've we've talked about this in the show. This is literally the busiest month of my life. There's a million things going on.
Ian
01:11:12 – 01:11:17
I have 2 different kids still deciding which school they're gonna go to next year.
Aaron
01:11:17 – 01:11:17
Yeah.
Ian
01:11:17 – 01:11:29
And every every day we talk to them about it, and every day they're like, I don't know. So there's a lot going on, but I'm hoping that once we're through all this, that then I can go back and go to PHP meetups. But yeah.
Aaron
01:11:29 – 01:11:29
Yeah. And now
Ian
01:11:29 – 01:11:31
they're gonna be a fully meetup.
Aaron
01:11:31 – 01:11:33
You gotta hit the road, man.
Ian
01:11:33 – 01:11:36
I got a train. I don't even need the. I just train right now. Train.
Aaron
01:11:36 – 01:11:42
What even is a train? Oh, it's I wonder if there's a if there's a Dallas one. I'm not I can't run it. Don't put that on me. No.
Aaron
01:11:42 – 01:11:43
I was
Ian
01:11:43 – 01:11:44
gonna say you gotta start it.
Aaron
01:11:44 – 01:11:45
No. No. No. No. No.
Ian
01:11:45 – 01:11:50
Are you crazy? You're not doing it. I'm doing everything. I don't wanna have time. Time.
Ian
01:11:50 – 01:11:50
I
Aaron
01:11:50 – 01:11:51
don't have any time.
Ian
01:11:51 – 01:11:55
You're the layoff man. You're just sitting around looking for
Aaron
01:11:55 – 01:12:03
stuff to do. Some of some of that is true. I am the layoff man. That is what they call me. But I'm not just sitting around looking for stuff to do.
Aaron
01:12:04 – 01:12:05
Oh. But I'm
Ian
01:12:05 – 01:12:06
happy to see Dallas.
Aaron
01:12:07 – 01:12:13
I'm happy to see PHP NYC, c boss man Chris is picking up PHP Philly. It's it's like No. It's happening.
Ian
01:12:14 – 01:12:17
Real world physical activity. Crazy.
Aaron
01:12:18 – 01:12:28
So if there's a p if there's a PHP Dallas, I would maybe consider I would consider going, but Go ahead. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna be the host of PHP Dallas.
Ian
01:12:28 – 01:12:38
Running stuff, these things is actually much more time consuming and annoying than you think it might be. It's like, oh, it's just one night, but, like, just finding a place and, like, you know, food and drinks and whatever. You can do something after.
Aaron
01:12:38 – 01:12:40
My tables and yeah. Yeah.
Ian
01:12:40 – 01:12:41
Like, yeah, all that stuff. It's like
Aaron
01:12:42 – 01:12:42
I'm not doing that.
Ian
01:12:42 – 01:12:50
A lot of work. No way. Somebody shows up and they're an idiot. Now that's your responsibility. Like, yeah, there's a lot of overhead to to running these things.
Ian
01:12:52 – 01:13:01
But yeah. No. It looks great. Like, they're doing a great job with it. I'm super excited about it that it's in the fold, and I definitely plan on hitting some of them up here hopefully soon.
Aaron
01:13:02 – 01:13:06
Yeah. You gotta get down there and give us a give us a report back on the pod when you finally do.
Ian
01:13:07 – 01:13:13
Yeah. I I should be able to get to the next one, hopefully. I'm not I don't have much going on this summer, so, hopefully, we'll be around.
Aaron
01:13:14 – 01:13:14
Perfect.
Ian
01:13:15 – 01:13:38
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Ian
01:13:38 – 01:13:40
We'll be back next week. Thanks all.
Aaron
01:13:40 – 01:13:41
See you.
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