Back in the Saddle

October 22, 2021

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Transcript

Aaron
00:00:01 – 00:00:12
Okay. We're recording. So we missed 2 weeks. 1, because we were at retreat in Denver, and 1, because Sean was on an airplane, and Colleen and I couldn't get our mics to work. So now we're back.
Aaron
00:00:12 – 00:00:24
Welcome back, everyone. I have people working right outside my door on a new deck. So if I have to mute, I will, but hopefully the noise won't be too loud.
Colleen
00:00:25 – 00:00:25
Awesome.
Aaron
00:00:28 – 00:00:30
Colleen, how was the big demo?
Colleen
00:00:30 – 00:00:43
It was good. I think demoing Query Builder is never as exciting as what everyone else is working on because most people don't use it and don't care. But for the people who use it, they're very excited.
Aaron
00:00:45 – 00:00:47
That makes sense. Wait. What do you mean?
Colleen
00:00:47 – 00:01:16
So I just some of the front end UI updates I've made. Also, I've refactored all the highest money through queries to use sub selects or joins, so you can pick. You can't pick at run time, but, like, as we as we spin up a big database and actually test it and index it and stuff, I'll be able to switch between them till I find out which one is better. And so I demoed that. Again, no one was really excited to see, like, 20 lines of SQL, but I was excited.
Aaron
00:01:17 – 00:01:19
I'm excited for you. That sounds exciting.
Colleen
00:01:19 – 00:01:23
I know you would have been excited. Everyone else is like, okay. Cool. Cool.
Aaron
00:01:23 – 00:01:25
I don't understand. That's great.
Colleen
00:01:25 – 00:01:32
I'm pretty happy about my sub select refactor, especially like I said. So now you have the option to do either one. So I did that.
Aaron
00:01:32 – 00:01:34
That's wild. Good for you.
Colleen
00:01:34 – 00:01:48
Yeah. And then I showed them where we're trying to go with kind of the nested filter thing that we've been talking about and the path forward there. And again, I went last, so they were probably tired.
Sean
00:01:48 – 00:01:52
Why did they always make us go last? That that was, like, we always last.
Colleen
00:01:52 – 00:01:54
Can I go first while people are excited?
Sean
00:01:55 – 00:01:59
Yeah. That's the worst time to go. Everybody's like, I
Colleen
00:02:00 – 00:02:11
It was like right at 1 o'clock too. Right? So I'm like, well, I wanna I didn't you know, I wanna present. I don't wanna be forgotten about. So I think it's important to share, but it was, like, right, like, like, 2 minutes left in the meeting.
Colleen
00:02:11 – 00:02:17
So I was like, I'm now the person who makes us go over too. So, yeah, I'm popular. What can I say?
Aaron
00:02:21 – 00:02:23
Yeah. You should ask to go first next time.
Colleen
00:02:23 – 00:02:26
Yeah. I should. I have to wait when I get, like, something really cool.
Sean
00:02:27 – 00:02:39
Yeah. Once again, this is making me so happy that you're here and doing that mainly because I don't have to do that that meeting that you just did. And I did not like that meeting.
Colleen
00:02:39 – 00:02:54
It's gotten a lot better because people have a lot more to demo. Like, before it was more of a status update before, you know, the project was very mature. And so now it's actually cool because you can see what people are working on and how your stuff can fit into their stuff.
Sean
00:02:55 – 00:02:55
Mhmm. Nice.
Colleen
00:02:56 – 00:02:57
Yeah.
Aaron
00:02:58 – 00:03:10
Yeah. And we're so sectioned off that a lot of it, you know, a while ago, a lot of it wasn't important to us. And so it was just like waiting around. But now that you're a little bit more integrated, I'm sure it is a little bit more engaging.
Colleen
00:03:11 – 00:03:12
Yeah, totally.
Aaron
00:03:13 – 00:03:18
Nice. How beyond just the meeting, how's it going over there at at client?
Colleen
00:03:19 – 00:03:25
It's great. I finally feel like this week, I have gotten into my flow state with these guys.
Aaron
00:03:25 – 00:03:25
Great.
Colleen
00:03:26 – 00:03:35
And it I just have done it all week, and it's been awesome. Like, I'm just loving it. Like, I'm back into the loving it part. So that's been really good.
Aaron
00:03:35 – 00:03:38
Was that just a function of time, or did something change?
Colleen
00:03:38 – 00:04:03
I think it was a function of wrapping my head around all of the stuff we have going on on the front end Mhmm. Because we've got, you know, 15 different files I have to amass into my brain and figure out when something breaks or the apply button's grayed out. I'm like, why is the apply button grayed out? That's a jerk. So I feel like it was a combination of the past couple weeks I've just been super I mean, we've been traveling.
Colleen
00:04:03 – 00:04:13
Right? So Mhmm. I've just been busy with all the things and so now that I finally have the context, the full full stack context of it, it's been really good.
Sean
00:04:13 – 00:04:19
And if it makes you feel better, like, I mean, I wrote the front end and I still often felt that way about the front end
Colleen
00:04:19 – 00:04:21
Makes me feel a lot better.
Sean
00:04:21 – 00:04:49
Come into that code base and I would be like, alright, how is this all working again? But then, I swear, like, that is that is the best that I could do in terms of solving that particular problem with a bunch of stimulus controllers and code rendered on the server. Like, that that was the least spaghetti thing that I could come up with. It's not a good fit for that. Like, that tool is not the right tool for the job, for sure.
Sean
00:04:54 – 00:05:03
Although, I did the same thing with the view front end. The I think if Aaron was looking at the Aaron's looking at the view front end, then it's melts his brain, I think, which again
Aaron
00:05:04 – 00:05:12
It does melt my brain, but not because it's wrong, but because it's, like, super advanced front end y stuff. And it's just I'm like, what is going on here?
Sean
00:05:12 – 00:05:14
It's very abstract.
Aaron
00:05:14 – 00:05:15
Yes. It is.
Sean
00:05:15 – 00:05:29
Although the Which Cool. The, the the code for updating the blueprint is now identical to the for for the view version, it's identical to the Hotwire version.
Aaron
00:05:30 – 00:05:31
Oh, that's nice.
Sean
00:05:32 – 00:05:38
Yeah. Underlying everything, it's the same, basically. Oh, that's helpful.
Aaron
00:05:41 – 00:06:02
Yeah. Yeah. And the thing that, I think one of the things we discovered at retreat is that concept of faceted search instead of query building. And I think, like I've mentioned, I think that static Sean's static mode is gonna be perfect for faceted search. And I think we can do a ton of content around faceted search.
Aaron
00:06:03 – 00:06:09
And I didn't really even, like, know that those words were what we were describing for a long time.
Sean
00:06:11 – 00:06:22
Yeah. So yeah. I spent a lot of time designing a an early faceted search. This was, like, 12 years. I don't know.
Sean
00:06:22 – 00:06:50
Feels like a 1000000 years ago, 10 years ago, something like that. And at the time, that was a relatively new concept. And so we spent a lot of time thinking through that feature. And there's there's a lot of potential, you know, work that we could do there on the front end alone. On the back end, So, like, that is a thing which, like, I feel like we don't have as much to offer.
Sean
00:06:51 – 00:06:52
So, like
Aaron
00:06:52 – 00:06:54
Flush that out for me.
Sean
00:06:54 – 00:07:20
Well, so mostly, I think on a faceted search, you're just looking through one model. So you're I mean, there's probably some, you know, relationships, but, like, more like our we're not gonna be doing refinements, like Mhmm. On a Correct. View where you're gonna be doing, faceted search. So so we have less to offer, I think.
Sean
00:07:20 – 00:07:54
But on and and then the I mean, I guess there's there's maybe something we could consider. Like, right now we allow our users to build up configuration, like, build up a filter basically declaratively on the back end. So you don't have to touch the front end, and then you just drop this one line in and boom, there it is. This this doesn't fit that paradigm that we have now. Like, the because you would probably just want everything to be visible to begin with.
Sean
00:07:54 – 00:08:19
So we could do that. We could do something like that where they could still build it up from the back end and then boom, here's a static filter. But, again, probably when you're doing a fasted search, you want to have way more control over the front end versus, like, when, you know, drop the query builder at the top of the page, you know, which would be kind of the common place you'd put that. A fastest search, maybe maybe you want it at the top of the page. Maybe you want it on the side.
Sean
00:08:19 – 00:08:55
Maybe you want it in a big mega drop down thing. Maybe you want you know, like, there's a there's a million ways to go about that. So and then the other thing is, I think in terms of back end, fastest searches, like, there are solutions. Like, I would say, Algolia is the one that comes to mind, like, immediately. It's like a solid, like, back end solution to doing really, really fast faceted search, which would typically be, I think, the the main problem you would run into in implementing something like that, other than on the front end, would be on the back end would be needs to be fast.
Sean
00:08:55 – 00:09:14
Because as you're clicking on something, you need those results to, like, pop up as fast as possible. So how do you do that? So it's a different problem, which we we do not solve. So that's why I would say, like, in terms of us and the faceted search space, we have more to offer on the front end potentially.
Aaron
00:09:14 – 00:09:26
Mhmm. Yeah. I would agree with that. I hadn't thought about the immediacy thing and the fact that Algolia basically does faceted search.
Sean
00:09:27 – 00:09:36
Yeah. I mean, that doesn't mean there's not room for somebody else to do something like Algolia, but that that's not really I don't know if that's us. You know what I mean?
Aaron
00:09:36 – 00:09:57
Yeah. Yeah. And the query building is so much harder, so we might as well lean on that since we've done that. So exciting news for all of us is I'm helping I think we can say his name. I'm helping Keith do his query builder implementation, this next week.
Aaron
00:09:57 – 00:09:57
So
Colleen
00:09:58 – 00:09:58
Nice.
Aaron
00:09:58 – 00:10:33
This is one of our Internet friends who, actually, this is our first customer ever. We have a picture of me, Sean, and Keith from the DC retreat in 2019 where Keith paid us for an early version of refine. And then he took that and took that, like, way back in 2019 and built kind of his own version, and then built another version, and then came to me this last week and was like, hey. Can you just can you just do this for me? Like, can I pay you to do this for me?
Aaron
00:10:35 – 00:10:56
I was like, yeah. Absolutely. So I'll be getting him set up with the actual refined package, because he's a Laravel user. And then also doing kind of the Colleen thing, which is, like, integrating it into app app land. So I think this is gonna be fantastic.
Aaron
00:10:56 – 00:11:16
It's gonna help, like, one, I think it'll flush out a few sharp edges, and 2, it's gonna be, like, really exciting to have the pipeline all there. Like, we're gonna have to have it, you know, the package hosted and composer installable and everything. And once that happens, it's like, okay. We're we're, like, right there.
Colleen
00:11:16 – 00:11:19
Does he have a custom front end you're gonna integrate with?
Aaron
00:11:20 – 00:11:27
Yeah. So I asked him if he needs the Vue front end, and he said no. So that's gonna be one of the
Sean
00:11:27 – 00:11:35
His front end's better than ours anyway. I mean, it's not like ours is bad, but his is, like, real fancy. It does a ton of stuff.
Aaron
00:11:35 – 00:11:37
I think his is real native to his app.
Sean
00:11:38 – 00:11:43
And also really exactly. Like, really hardwired to his app. Yeah. Exactly.
Aaron
00:11:44 – 00:12:11
Yeah. So I'll have to that's one thing I'll I'll need to figure out pretty quickly once I'm in there. So I'm taking 2 days off of real work, taking 2 days of PTO, and hopefully I can get, you know, 75% of it knocked out. And then I'll spend, you know, nights and weekends finishing up the rest. But it's great, man.
Aaron
00:12:11 – 00:12:29
I mean, we've all known this as a problem for a long time, but to have Keith build too on his own and then come back and be like, can you just do this? It's like, yeah, I can. I can just do this. So I'll be excited to report back next week. How, how that went.
Colleen
00:12:32 – 00:12:34
Yeah. That's super exciting.
Aaron
00:12:36 – 00:12:50
And then hopefully that gets us, like, right to the finish line on being able to soft launch it to other people. So that transitions nicely to Sean. Do you wanna give us the view rundown?
Sean
00:12:52 – 00:13:15
Yeah. I have to reload in my brain where I'm at with that. I I think I was yeah. I was working on refinements, and I was pretty close to getting that piece done. So that's where I'm at with I'm closing refinements, which would leave me with doing inline errors and oh, yeah.
Sean
00:13:15 – 00:13:43
I wanna add I'm thinking, like, I'm just moving towards feature parity with what we did at client. So that would mean I need to add the ability to put, like, categories in the drop down and prefixes and suffixes so it reads a little bit better. And I don't know. I think that's what I'm I'm, that's what coming up on is that. And then, you know, I gotta package it all up and
Aaron
00:13:43 – 00:13:44
Mhmm.
Sean
00:13:44 – 00:13:49
And then, yeah, it's it's there. So it's real close.
Aaron
00:13:49 – 00:13:57
That's great. And I think we could, I mean, I think we could go without the prefixes, suffixes, categories if we wanted.
Sean
00:13:57 – 00:14:04
Yeah. I think so. And then, yeah, I have been writing more tests like I had
Aaron
00:14:04 – 00:14:05
Oh, nice.
Sean
00:14:05 – 00:14:17
Some I forget. So in between, like, when I was really cranking on this and today, I've had I traveled for, like, a week and a half or more. It was almost 2 weeks of travel.
Aaron
00:14:18 – 00:14:21
Yeah. Where did you go after Denver? Did you go somewhere for a job?
Sean
00:14:21 – 00:14:21
Then I
Aaron
00:14:21 – 00:14:23
went from a job. Pauline. You you
Colleen
00:14:23 – 00:14:23
hung out.
Aaron
00:14:23 – 00:14:24
Yeah. I went together.
Colleen
00:14:24 – 00:14:26
We did. We did.
Sean
00:14:26 – 00:14:29
Yeah. You see the room that she's in? So Mhmm.
Aaron
00:14:29 – 00:14:29
We would
Sean
00:14:29 – 00:14:44
do these podcasts and I've seen her in this room and I'm thinking, oh, that sucks. Like, she's got this cool place, you know, in San Diego, but it must be so small that she has to, like, work in her bedroom. That sucks. No. That's like an extra bedroom on top of her garage.
Sean
00:14:44 – 00:14:45
It's like it's her own office.
Colleen
00:14:45 – 00:14:45
And she
Sean
00:14:45 – 00:14:49
has, like, a kitchen over to the side of herself.
Aaron
00:14:49 – 00:14:52
I absolutely thought this was your master bedroom.
Colleen
00:14:52 – 00:14:56
Oh, my god. Me too. And you have screen. That's so embarrassing. No.
Colleen
00:14:56 – 00:15:00
It's not embarrassing at all. We have a whole apartment. This is our whole apartment.
Sean
00:15:01 – 00:15:06
Here. We're getting the tour. Oh, wow. Kitchen, which has mostly Lego projects happening. Uh-huh.
Sean
00:15:06 – 00:15:07
Closet.
Aaron
00:15:07 – 00:15:09
Couple of guitars, a piano.
Colleen
00:15:09 – 00:15:15
Yeah. It's got a, kitchenette and a bathroom and a door, but it's completely isolated from the rest of the house.
Aaron
00:15:16 – 00:15:17
Okay.
Sean
00:15:17 – 00:15:30
And, like, right out there is this whole, like, really nice outdoor space that they've got and which basically doubles the square footage of the house because it's San Diego, so you could just live out there. Yeah. Yeah. It's super nice. I met Colleen's whole family.
Sean
00:15:30 – 00:15:36
They introduced me to, pop rock Oreos, which was awesome. What?
Aaron
00:15:36 – 00:15:37
We're obsessed. Disgusting.
Colleen
00:15:37 – 00:15:42
Pop rock Oreo is different. It is disgusting. It's just
Sean
00:15:42 – 00:15:46
the most American way. I love it. They're actually American Oreos. They have, like, red, white,
Aaron
00:15:46 – 00:15:47
and blue and dillies Of course.
Sean
00:15:47 – 00:15:49
And popcorn. Of course they are.
Aaron
00:15:49 – 00:15:51
That sounds horrible.
Colleen
00:15:51 – 00:15:51
I brought
Sean
00:15:51 – 00:15:53
a whole bunch home for Isaac and Beth, and they
Colleen
00:15:54 – 00:16:02
Oh, that was so funny. My husband gave him a whole sleeve. He was like, oh, you've never had these? Take a whole sleeve of them home to your family. You must take them home.
Sean
00:16:02 – 00:16:09
And then Isaac proceeded to eat basically all of them before we noticed while we were watching a movie. That was
Aaron
00:16:10 – 00:16:17
Is this, is this, like, a real collaboration of Pop Rocks and Oreos, or is this something Colleen y'all invented?
Colleen
00:16:17 – 00:16:28
No. No. It's a real thing. You can the America Oreos that they had at 4th July have Pop Rocks in cream parts, like, or something. I don't know how it happens.
Colleen
00:16:28 – 00:16:29
It's like a magical
Aaron
00:16:29 – 00:16:30
pop horrible.
Colleen
00:16:30 – 00:16:37
In your it's so much fun, Aaron. So it's so funny because my kids will eat 1, then they'll come up to your ear. And they're like, listen
Aaron
00:16:37 – 00:16:38
to me. That's my nightmare.
Colleen
00:16:39 – 00:16:39
Yeah. So
Aaron
00:16:40 – 00:16:42
fun. Mouth sounds. That's my nightmare.
Sean
00:16:45 – 00:17:04
Oh, so, yeah. I had a had a fun business trip. I got to go meet Colleen and her family, which was so cool. And then I stayed at they put we had to stay in a hotel. I guess, maybe there's some requirement government requirement that because it was a government was paying for this trip that we had to stay at some particular hotel that meets some requirements.
Sean
00:17:04 – 00:17:22
Anyway, the she put us up in some place called the Moxie, which was like, man, I I Jamie? It was bizarre. I I've pulled up to it at first and was, like, is this my hotel? Like, I was really confused. I kept thinking this can't be it because I keep I keep walking by it.
Sean
00:17:22 – 00:17:38
Like, that's not it. Because, like, it's right next to, like, the hustler, and then, which apparently they have retail stores, which I didn't know. So I'm like, alright. Like, there's that there, and then next to it is the Moxie, which is just a bar. And I'm like, well, that's not it.
Sean
00:17:38 – 00:17:57
And they keep walking, like, where did it did I just accidentally type an address and it thought, you know but, no. It was so you have to go in and it's a bar. Like, it's you go in and you check-in at the bar, and then you go up to your room, which is in quotation marks European style aka incredibly small.
Aaron
00:17:57 – 00:17:59
Oh my god.
Sean
00:17:59 – 00:18:31
Like, you have to sort of, like, kinda shuffle around, you know, to get into the bed and stuff. And then the and the you know, the clientele are just people staying at the hotel just to party. So just all night long, just drunk people just yelling and, like, some, you know, drunk guy coming, like, deciding to play music really loud on his phone or whatever at 5 o'clock in the morning and tried to get into the room next door to me, but was too drunk to figure it out for, like, 5 minutes. Just Sounds brutal.
Aaron
00:18:32 – 00:18:34
Yeah. It sounds like an old saloon or something.
Sean
00:18:34 – 00:18:49
I think, like, I'm still kind of recovering from that. Like, I didn't I was so sleep deprived. When the first weekend I got back, I didn't even realize, And then I slept for, like, 12 hours. It was, yeah. Anyway, it was it was also it was funny.
Sean
00:18:49 – 00:18:51
Not ideal. I'll stay someplace else next time.
Colleen
00:18:51 – 00:18:58
Yeah. I was gonna say, there's a lot of nice hotels in San Diego, and I'm sure they have government rates. So you should tell your admin, like, no.
Sean
00:18:58 – 00:18:58
Not that
Colleen
00:18:58 – 00:19:02
No non Please. No non brand name brand hotels again. Thanks.
Aaron
00:19:02 – 00:19:05
And then, Colleen, you're going on another trip or already went
Colleen
00:19:05 – 00:19:09
on Tomorrow. I'm flying to Mexico. Tomorrow. Oh, tomorrow. Yeah.
Colleen
00:19:09 – 00:19:10
I'm flying through Dallas.
Aaron
00:19:10 – 00:19:10
Exciting.
Colleen
00:19:10 – 00:19:16
In the early days, I thought I had lunch, but we can't. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm flying through Dallas to Mexico tomorrow.
Aaron
00:19:17 – 00:19:18
And how long are you there for?
Colleen
00:19:18 – 00:19:21
A long time. Till Thursday? I flew back Thursday.
Aaron
00:19:21 – 00:19:21
Oh, wow.
Colleen
00:19:22 – 00:19:28
So Saturday to Thursday. Yeah. It's quite a long trip. So it's gonna be epic. It's it's real fancy.
Colleen
00:19:28 – 00:19:41
It's kind of funny. I think this conference, like, I actually went into my storage locker and pulled out black pants from 2 years ago that I have never worn. Like, I haven't worn, like, real pants in 2 years.
Aaron
00:19:41 – 00:19:41
Yep. But,
Colleen
00:19:41 – 00:19:54
like, there's all these fancy events, and I don't know if it's, like, dressy fancy, but I was, like, I should probably take them just in case. So that's been hilarious trying to be, like, oh, how does one dress for a professional event? I don't even remember. It's been
Aaron
00:19:54 – 00:19:55
so long. Who remembers?
Colleen
00:19:56 – 00:20:09
Who knows? So, yeah, it'll be great. They have all these events planned. They have, like, a famous chef, and there's gonna be a party and a boat ride and a hot air balloon ride. Like, it's gonna be ridiculous.
Aaron
00:20:09 – 00:20:14
That's amazing. So who who of our friends are going? Michelle's going. Right?
Colleen
00:20:14 – 00:20:19
Michelle's going. Andrew might not be able to come because of his broken ankle. He's not sure.
Aaron
00:20:19 – 00:20:20
Oh, yes.
Colleen
00:20:20 – 00:20:29
I know, Which is a bummer. Corey was gonna come, but he is not coming now, which is a bummer. So I think if the people we know, like, in our group, it's just me and Michelle.
Aaron
00:20:30 – 00:20:31
Well, that'll be fun.
Colleen
00:20:31 – 00:20:32
Oh, yeah.
Aaron
00:20:32 – 00:20:33
You guys like each other, so that'll be fun.
Colleen
00:20:33 – 00:20:36
Yeah. It'll be super awesome. Super excited.
Sean
00:20:37 – 00:20:39
It's good to at least know one person.
Aaron
00:20:39 – 00:20:40
Absolutely. It's always
Sean
00:20:41 – 00:20:44
so hard to go to a conference when you know nobody.
Colleen
00:20:44 – 00:20:49
Zero people. Yeah. It's it's always been a friend. Yeah. I totally agree with that.
Colleen
00:20:49 – 00:20:52
Like, it's always nice to have one person, you know.
Aaron
00:20:52 – 00:21:09
So That's why I went out on such a limb at my first micro comp and stayed with Josh Pickford having not known him at all. And this is in 2012. He posted on MicroConf board and was like, hey. Does anyone wanna share a room? And I was like, I don't know anyone.
Aaron
00:21:09 – 00:21:15
I don't I should if I do this, I'll have a buddy. And so I did, and it worked out great. And I had a buddy.
Colleen
00:21:15 – 00:21:17
Yeah. It's always good.
Aaron
00:21:17 – 00:21:27
But, yeah, it's that whole, like, okay. Well, the, you know, the conference activities are over for the day. Like, y'all go to dinner on your own. It's like Right.
Colleen
00:21:27 – 00:21:28
And then you're like, oh, no.
Aaron
00:21:28 – 00:21:29
I've gotta, like,
Colleen
00:21:29 – 00:21:30
find people and
Aaron
00:21:30 – 00:21:33
be like, hey, who are you going with? Can I go with you? It's like, oh, this.
Colleen
00:21:34 – 00:21:55
Yeah. Whenever I do tech, the Ruby or Rails conference, I always I know people now, but, like, in the early days before I knew people, I always signed up to be a guide, because it was, like, an a group of people. Like, do they have a guide scholar program? And so it's, like, a group of people where there are their planned events for that group. So you eat lunch together, and, you know, you do social events together.
Aaron
00:21:55 – 00:21:56
Smart.
Colleen
00:21:56 – 00:21:59
And that's always nice. But, yeah, it's hard to go by yourself to these things.
Aaron
00:21:59 – 00:22:06
Yeah. Feels like high school, like, going to a new high school all over again. Like, who do you sit with at lunch because you don't need anyone?
Colleen
00:22:06 – 00:22:08
I don't know anyone. This is awesome.
Sean
00:22:08 – 00:22:09
Yeah. But it's like, who do
Aaron
00:22:09 – 00:22:10
you you don't even know
Sean
00:22:10 – 00:22:12
who do you wanna sit with. Like, you know
Colleen
00:22:12 – 00:22:13
That's a problem. Right?
Sean
00:22:13 – 00:22:24
Like, at at a conference, like, some of these people are, like, yeah, I would definitely like to be spending time with them and other people you but you don't know. So you have to just, like, go try. It sucks.
Colleen
00:22:24 – 00:22:40
And the worst is when you, like, cold introduce I've done this before where, like, you cold introduce yourself to someone, you sit with them, and they're terribly boring. Or you have, like, nothing in common. And then you have to sit there and finish Rinkless. What'd you say? It happened.
Aaron
00:22:40 – 00:22:41
Oh, man.
Colleen
00:22:42 – 00:22:47
And then you have to sit there and finish your lunch because you don't wanna be rude. I feel like I've made a terrible mistake. Oh,
Aaron
00:22:50 – 00:23:05
that's amazing. I'll tell you what, it was a frigging blast to be together in Denver and just like hang out and then to watch YouTube pick on each other about being excited about ideas or not being passionate or not.
Colleen
00:23:06 – 00:23:08
I'm not sure how that became a thing, but it was,
Aaron
00:23:08 – 00:23:11
it just made me so happy. I had such a, such
Colleen
00:23:11 – 00:23:11
a It
Sean
00:23:11 – 00:23:29
was because everybody everybody was, like, shocked when Margaret was talking and she was like which by the way, Margaret gave me this compliment and said that I have a really nice voice for podcasts apparently. So thank you, Margaret. But the yeah. I was like, really? Okay.
Sean
00:23:29 – 00:23:44
I thought I mumbled, but she thinks that I don't. So awesome. So Margaret was talking and people were asking her, like, does that, you know, she's talking about what she wants to do in the future. She's kinda like reinventing herself. And she's like and people were asking her, like, does that does that make you excited?
Sean
00:23:45 – 00:23:58
And she was like, yes. And I couldn't I couldn't really tell. And then I was also like so I asked her, do you do you care about being excited or something like that? And everybody was like and she's like, yes, of course. And everybody's like, what?
Sean
00:23:58 – 00:24:18
And then I said, well, I don't care about being like, I don't it doesn't matter to me to be excited. Like, I get excited, but I don't it doesn't it's not important, you know? I'm not, like, seeking that. So, you know, if somebody asked me if it was that's not like a criteria. Excitement is not a criteria I would use to, like, choose to to do something, like, long term or whatever.
Sean
00:24:19 – 00:24:29
And and everybody was, like, jumping on me for that. Buck b, for what it's worth, is also like me and doesn't doesn't care about that. But, yeah, then Colleen just started giving me shit the whole time about, like, being excited.
Colleen
00:24:32 – 00:24:39
Because I just fundamentally do not understand. Like, I just don't get it. Everyone. Yeah. I think
Aaron
00:24:39 – 00:24:44
I heard Colleen at one point ask Sean, do you ever get excited about anything?
Colleen
00:24:45 – 00:24:46
I did not.
Aaron
00:24:47 – 00:24:49
Oh, I think you did. I think you
Colleen
00:24:49 – 00:24:49
actually did.
Sean
00:24:49 – 00:24:50
Did. Did.
Colleen
00:24:50 – 00:25:00
For sure. Probably did. That's why I had to introduce Sean. So I never introduce people I work with to my family ever, but I had to introduce Sean to my family to let him know that I love him.
Sean
00:25:01 – 00:25:01
Oh, thank god.
Colleen
00:25:01 – 00:25:04
Because I was giving him such a hard time all weekend.
Aaron
00:25:06 – 00:25:08
Oh, man. That was fun.
Colleen
00:25:08 – 00:25:15
It was fun. We were talking to Aaron when he, Sean was here that we should, once things get going, like, we should try to get together more than once a year.
Aaron
00:25:15 – 00:25:18
Absolutely. Yeah. I would love that.
Sean
00:25:19 – 00:25:20
Yeah. Like, the 3 of us.
Colleen
00:25:21 – 00:25:22
Yeah. Yeah. Totally.
Aaron
00:25:22 – 00:25:22
Is that
Sean
00:25:22 – 00:25:22
what you mean?
Colleen
00:25:22 – 00:25:26
Yeah. Definitely. I meant the 3 of us. Yes. I meant the 3 of us.
Colleen
00:25:26 – 00:25:26
Yeah.
Sean
00:25:27 – 00:25:43
Yeah. And we could probably do we don't have to do, like, a multi day. If we just, like, pop out for, like, a day, like, stay over the night stay overnight, like, 1 night and then most of the day together somewhere kinda in the middle. Yeah. We got twins there, so we could even maybe make our way to Dallas.
Sean
00:25:43 – 00:25:43
I know
Colleen
00:25:43 – 00:25:45
that's a pretty big be the baby.
Aaron
00:25:45 – 00:25:49
Absolutely. And I got a brand new deck. We can all hang out and barbecue. Yeah.
Colleen
00:25:49 – 00:25:51
I love that idea, actually.
Aaron
00:25:51 – 00:26:11
No. That would be great. I would love I would love to do that. I think it's such a, it's like such a mental and emotional boost to, like, be together in person, which I think we've always all known that, but pandemic plus the nature of our friendship is that we started as internet friends. It's like, Oh yeah.
Aaron
00:26:12 – 00:26:14
Being together in person is really great.
Colleen
00:26:15 – 00:26:15
Yeah.
Aaron
00:26:16 – 00:26:23
Yeah. So that was fun. Anything else, Sean? I know you gotta go soon. So anything else we need to cover?
Colleen
00:26:23 – 00:26:29
Aaron, I wanna talk to you. We don't have to do it on the podcast about all that SQL. I just brain dump to you.
Aaron
00:26:29 – 00:26:29
Yes. We can do that.
Colleen
00:26:30 – 00:26:33
These nested inline filter stuff. We need I would like to talk about that. But
Aaron
00:26:33 – 00:26:36
Okay. Let's do that after because that beats railing radio.
Colleen
00:26:37 – 00:26:38
No worries.
Sean
00:26:38 – 00:26:46
Yeah. My only other updates real quick, just general awareness for you guys would be, oh, god. I'm gonna start saying situational awareness in my real life. Please don't.
Colleen
00:26:46 – 00:26:47
Yeah. You are.
Aaron
00:26:47 – 00:26:48
Please please don't.
Sean
00:26:48 – 00:26:49
They say essay. FY
Colleen
00:26:52 – 00:26:52
No. I'm
Aaron
00:26:52 – 00:26:58
not I'm not interested in these acronyms. Please no.
Sean
00:26:58 – 00:27:21
I was like, I realized I just almost said it right there. But so, yeah. I'm gonna I'm I'm in the process of essentially shutting down planning for aliens or just putting it in deep hibernation. I'm gonna move all my properties in the most SEO effective way to point towards our stuff. And then so that'll give us, some good SEO juice.
Sean
00:27:21 – 00:27:31
My sites are still are still ranking way better than the the Hammerstone stuff right now. So that should be helpful. And then, yeah, what else? Oh, yeah. Vue person.
Sean
00:27:31 – 00:27:40
So I'm wrapping up finishing the Vue thing. I need to embark on my journey of finding another Vue developer part time to
Aaron
00:27:40 – 00:27:40
Okay.
Sean
00:27:40 – 00:28:02
Pick up the Vue work. So so actually, I don't know. I should have said, I'll say this upfront in the next podcast, so we'll start doing that because I think there's a good chance there might be a good fit for someone listening to our podcast now because we need a part time view developer to pick up maintenance and, you know, new features and stuff that we're gonna be putting into the the Vue component.
Colleen
00:28:03 – 00:28:03
Yes. So
Sean
00:28:03 – 00:28:09
that way free me up to work on the longer term marketing stuff that we talked about at the retreat.
Colleen
00:28:09 – 00:28:10
Perfect.
Aaron
00:28:10 – 00:28:19
Perfect. Okay. When the time is absolutely upon you, put a tweet out, and I can also retweet it because Vue and Laravel have a huge
Sean
00:28:19 – 00:28:27
Yeah. I can't I can't start now because I don't have the time to possibly manage that. So
Aaron
00:28:27 – 00:28:28
Yeah. No worries.
Sean
00:28:28 – 00:28:36
Once I gotta finish up, so that way we have a thing. And then once I'm done with this first version, then then it's time. Perfect.
Colleen
00:28:36 – 00:28:36
Okay.
Sean
00:28:36 – 00:28:39
Cool. And I gotta go pick up the kids. So Alright. That's it.
Aaron
00:28:39 – 00:28:41
Drag on. See y'all.
Colleen
00:28:41 – 00:28:41
See you.
Sean
00:28:41 – 00:28:44
Oh, wait. I'll stay here so we can load it. I forgot.
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