Aaron Francis

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Transcript

Ian

00:00:01 – 00:00:02

Hello?

Aaron

00:00:03 – 00:00:10

What's a good word, Ian? See, you're frozen. You don't know what to do.

Ian

00:00:10 – 00:00:11

I know. It's great.

Aaron

00:00:11 – 00:00:12

The word is

Ian

00:00:12 – 00:00:20

good. The word is good. I woke up early this morning. What's your deal with waking up early? Do you like to waking up early?

Aaron

00:00:22 – 00:00:24

Well, we can get to me in a second. What are you talking?

Ian

00:00:25 – 00:00:30

Okay. So woke up around 3 o'clock. Real early.

Aaron

00:00:31 – 00:00:34

No. No. No. That's not early. That's crazy.

Ian

00:00:34 – 00:00:35

That's overnight?

Aaron

00:00:36 – 00:00:38

Yeah. That's still the middle of the night.

Ian

00:00:38 – 00:00:46

Woke up. I never knew this either. Woke up, couldn't get back to sleep. Doing the towel. Doing the towel.

Ian

00:00:46 – 00:00:56

I always get, I could always go back to sleep too. Like, it's not uncommon. I wake up quickly, but then I always go right back to sleep. Could not get back to sleep. So I, you know, threw in the towel.

Ian

00:00:56 – 00:01:18

I went downstairs, did a workout for, like, an hour. Came upstairs, made some eggs, watched as the kids got up and, you know, mosey down all delirious. It was interesting. It was, like, a whole different view on the day. I'm, like, never up that early in the day, like, watching the whole morning unfold.

Ian

00:01:18 – 00:01:19

So it was fascinating.

Aaron

00:01:19 – 00:01:23

Gosh. 3 AM is unbelievable.

Ian

00:01:23 – 00:01:29

I know. I couldn't get back to sleep. I took a shower. Ready to hit it hard. So far, I'm okay.

Ian

00:01:29 – 00:01:30

I I'm expecting that. Yeah. I mean,

Aaron

00:01:30 – 00:01:36

it's something It's 10 AM your time, so talk talk to me at 2 PM. Okay. So

Ian

00:01:36 – 00:01:37

Could you get ugly?

Aaron

00:01:38 – 00:01:41

This this is like, this is a coincidence. This is a happenstance. Stance.

Ian

00:01:41 – 00:01:41

Mhmm.

Aaron

00:01:41 – 00:01:46

Are you gonna are you gonna make it? Are you gonna make it a 3 AM? Are you gonna 3 AM guy now?

Ian

00:01:46 – 00:01:53

No. I can't be a 3 AM guy, but I am tempted to become a morning guy, which I'm very much not a morning guy. But

Aaron

00:01:53 – 00:01:53

Morning guys

Ian

00:01:53 – 00:01:58

are the worst. It is interesting. Well, this is part of it. It's like morning people are horrible. Hate morning people.

Ian

00:01:58 – 00:02:04

Hate them. But it is, like, interesting to, like, start your day so early.

Aaron

00:02:04 – 00:02:07

You know, the worst, you know, the worst thing in the world is

Ian

00:02:07 – 00:02:07

what's that?

Aaron

00:02:07 – 00:02:13

I was I tried to be a morning guy for a while, and it was better. It was just better. Everything

Ian

00:02:13 – 00:02:14

was better. Everything's better.

Aaron

00:02:14 – 00:02:21

I was so mad about it. Yeah. And I actually I actually became full morning guy and that I tweeted about it, which is just like

Ian

00:02:21 – 00:02:22

Oh, you committed.

Aaron

00:02:22 – 00:02:24

You hate to do that. Yeah.

Ian

00:02:24 – 00:02:26

Right. But then you gave it up.

Aaron

00:02:26 – 00:02:27

Then I gave it up

Ian

00:02:27 – 00:02:28

for sure.

Aaron

00:02:28 – 00:02:31

Yeah. Then stuff stuff happened, then I gave it up.

Ian

00:02:31 – 00:02:39

I love being up at night. It's like it's quiet. I can, like, do some work or whatever I wanna do, but then I just discovered it's quiet in the morning. If you're up early It

Aaron

00:02:39 – 00:02:40

is quiet in the morning.

Ian

00:02:40 – 00:02:41

Quiet in the morning Yep.

Aaron

00:02:41 – 00:02:42

Yep. Which is

Ian

00:02:42 – 00:02:45

sort of crazy. I didn't even who who would have known?

Aaron

00:02:45 – 00:02:48

It feels so much less degenerate to be up in the morning. Way less degenerate,

Ian

00:02:48 – 00:02:52

which is what I don't like about it, though, to be honest. Honest. I'm like, a little bit It's

Aaron

00:02:52 – 00:02:53

too clean. Yeah.

Ian

00:02:53 – 00:03:08

Yeah. I'm not, like, a big degenerate, but, like, a little little just a little dirt. And if you're up at night, that's when, you know, nothing good happens after midnight and all that. I like to be up in that hour. When you're up at 6 AM or 5:30 and you're hitting it hard, that's, like, that's clean living right there.

Ian

00:03:08 – 00:03:11

It might be too clean. Yeah. But Yeah. It's hard to eat a bag and

Aaron

00:03:11 – 00:03:13

cheese at 5:30 in the morning, you know?

Ian

00:03:13 – 00:03:13

Yeah. Exactly.

Aaron

00:03:14 – 00:03:26

So here's here's the here's the other thing, though, that's hard about trying to be a morning guy. It's easy to miss the morning. Like, you can just keep staying up. Right? You could just stay up and stay up and stay up.

Aaron

00:03:27 – 00:03:45

Right. But if you like, if you're, like, weak of will or or, you know, weak spirited person, someone who wears glasses, for example, then you can just hit snooze. You just hit snooze, and it's over. Like, your big miracle morning that you were gonna get all the stuff done that you saved for the morning, it's over.

Ian

00:03:46 – 00:04:04

Well, this is a fascinating part of what I experienced this morning because I was just, like, awake at 3 o'clock, and I was just ready to go. Yeah. So I had a whole different outlook versus the, like, you have the alarm, you're forced up, you're all groggy and crappy. And, like, you know, that's like a whole different morning experience that I do not like. No.

Ian

00:04:04 – 00:04:08

But this, like, you just pop up and you're ready to go. Well, it's a little different.

Aaron

00:04:08 – 00:04:22

So how much how much would you pay per month? How much would you pay per month to wake up at 5 AM every day feeling that way? Feeling like, oh, let's go, baby.

Ian

00:04:22 – 00:04:34

Man, you know, it's so hard because, like, what the the trade offs to the thing. It's like, especially, like, there's some things I like to do at night. Like, last night, I was watching Messi. It was messy night. Drinking cheap wine.

Aaron

00:04:34 – 00:04:36

The boss restricted you.

Ian

00:04:36 – 00:04:37

You're on Twitter watching out.

Aaron

00:04:37 – 00:04:38

Hey. I follow you.

Ian

00:04:38 – 00:04:46

You know what's up. So I'm drinking the cheap wine. I'm watching messy. He was on the West Coast, so it didn't end till, like, midnight or whatever it was. Mhmm.

Ian

00:04:46 – 00:04:55

And so I'm already, like, like so now that's already too late. If I'm gonna be wake up at 5 AM, guy, like, can I go to bed at 12 30 or 1? Like, that's not sustainable.

Aaron

00:04:55 – 00:04:55

Okay.

Ian

00:04:55 – 00:05:01

Yeah. So I'm gonna have to go to bed at least by, like, 11. Mhmm. I mean, 6 I can survive on 6 hours, but I don't know.

Aaron

00:05:01 – 00:05:07

Wait. We'll get back to Fantasyland in a second. Did you go to bed at 12 buzzed and woke up at 3 and did

Ian

00:05:07 – 00:05:08

a workout? Yeah. Yeah.

Aaron

00:05:08 – 00:05:09

Dude, you are going to

Ian

00:05:09 – 00:05:10

It's crazy.

Aaron

00:05:10 – 00:05:16

Die. I cannot wait for next week. You have to write down exactly how today goes because next week's podcast is gonna be hysterical.

Ian

00:05:17 – 00:05:35

I have to say, I wasn't, I wasn't really that hammered Well, I wasn't like, oh, man. I was drunk, and I, like, rolled out of bed and did my workout. I was actually I was mostly fine. I was like, you know, because I started drinking kinda early. So then I was actually done with the cheap wine by, like, 9, I'd say, or 9:30.

Ian

00:05:35 – 00:05:39

And then so I had, like, another 2 or 3 hours there to let it wind,

Aaron

00:05:40 – 00:05:41

wind down. Good planning.

Ian

00:05:41 – 00:05:45

Yeah. It was alright. What I can't see the going to the oh, you're good.

Aaron

00:05:46 – 00:05:54

Let's say midnight's your cutoff. You can wake up at 5 feeling like inspired, rested, ready to go. What are you paying for that?

Ian

00:05:55 – 00:06:01

Well, that's like you're changing my whole identity here. So it's like, do I wanna change my identity? But if I want to change my

Aaron

00:06:01 – 00:06:02

identity I don't want the

Ian

00:06:02 – 00:06:03

goods. I don't want the

Aaron

00:06:03 – 00:06:04

goods. You don't have to

Ian

00:06:04 – 00:06:20

pay it all. Think let's say, like, if it turns out to be very productive, like if, if I go through the rest of this day, right. And I've been very productive this morning before we got on here, I've been very productive all morning. That holds I mean, it's gotta be worth what? Like, $1,000 a month.

Ian

00:06:20 – 00:06:21

Right? It's gotta be worth something.

Aaron

00:06:21 – 00:06:29

Easy. And if you change if you change the parameters to as long as you're in bed by 12, you wake up at 5 feeling fully rested.

Ian

00:06:29 – 00:06:32

I mean, fully rested is huge thing. Yeah.

Aaron

00:06:32 – 00:06:37

It's huge. Right. I'm paying so much for it. To be able to sleep 5 hours a night and wake up fully rested, I'm paying a lot for that.

Ian

00:06:38 – 00:06:40

You're actually paying for that right now.

Aaron

00:06:40 – 00:06:42

I wish I could pay for that right

Ian

00:06:42 – 00:06:45

now. Yeah. Yeah.

Aaron

00:06:45 – 00:06:48

My kingdom my kingdom to wake up feeling rested.

Ian

00:06:48 – 00:06:55

You know what? This is like a thing. I get thrown off these things. Does this happen to you? So this is making me think of another thing.

Ian

00:06:55 – 00:07:17

So like with working out, like I'm I'm good about the working out I'll work out 3 or 4 days a week and then I'll get sick or I'll go on a business trip or whatever, or we go on vacation and then that's it. Like the working out stops. And once I'm out of the rhythm, I don't work out again for, you know, months. And then tell him, like, I really gotta get back into it. Like, I totally forgot about it.

Ian

00:07:17 – 00:07:27

That's how I feel like this would be. See, that's like, I I can wake up early, but I'm gonna go play poker 1. I'm gonna play poker before 4 AM. And then obviously, I'm not getting up at 5 AM. I'm getting up at 10 AM.

Ian

00:07:27 – 00:07:34

And then I'm just off of it. And I'm, like, back to staying up late, and that's the I'm night owl again. So I don't know. Yes. Maybe that's the best

Aaron

00:07:35 – 00:07:50

That that's exactly how I am. We can adjust the magical parameters to to account for that, but that's exactly how I am with with regard to, like, returning text messages or emails or DMs. Like, it goes,

Ian

00:07:50 – 00:07:50

you know,

Aaron

00:07:50 – 00:08:01

I don't do it. I don't do it for a day, and then I'm like, oh, man. I feel bad. I really gotta have, like, a, you know, good response. Bitty.

Aaron

00:08:01 – 00:08:05

Shoot. Missed that one. Yep. I really did like that guy.

Ian

00:08:06 – 00:08:10

Yep. Yeah. Yep. I well, I guess I don't know. Careful.

Ian

00:08:11 – 00:08:17

Careful. Mostly known you in this phase. You know, I've known you best in this phase where you have many children.

Aaron

00:08:18 – 00:08:18

Yes.

Ian

00:08:19 – 00:08:35

But you tend to be well in control of your messaging. Like, like, when I message you, like, I don't just get a message back right away. Like, you're, like, offline or you're you're disconnected, and then you have a time slot where you are writing people back is the impression I get.

Aaron

00:08:35 – 00:08:36

That is the reality. Yes.

Ian

00:08:36 – 00:08:37

Yeah. Yeah.

Aaron

00:08:37 – 00:08:53

Yeah. Yeah. It's hard. It's hard because if, you know, I'm doing something and I read a message and then forget about it, that's where that's where I get in trouble of, like, oh, yeah. I did read a message 3 days ago from that person.

Aaron

00:08:53 – 00:09:14

And so I really try not to, like, even read the messages until which is another problem is that they get too many messages. I'm like, I can't open that. I can't open the Twitter DMs. I'm just gonna stay on the Twitter timeline. But yeah, then I try to like and it's it's been real hard recently because I typically do the responding when I'm at the computer.

Aaron

00:09:14 – 00:09:30

And like we talked about, I haven't been at the computer Right. Forever. And so I'm just, like, not responding or trying to respond on the go, but I do I do specifically sit down and, like, alright. I'm gonna open either Telegram or Twitter DMs and, like, respond to everyone right now.

Ian

00:09:30 – 00:09:33

Go through. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not, I'm not good about that.

Ian

00:09:33 – 00:09:37

I should get better about that. Yeah. I don't know. Modern society. Right?

Ian

00:09:37 – 00:09:41

Like you're just all this, the information you're just used to sucking it in and spitting it out.

Aaron

00:09:42 – 00:09:44

Being being reachable is not great. I wish I was unreachable.

Ian

00:09:45 – 00:09:51

Yeah. You are sort of unreachable now. Like, semi, you're you're having a little reachability break now, or is it not

Aaron

00:09:51 – 00:09:52

really Yeah.

Ian

00:09:52 – 00:09:52

It's sort of

Aaron

00:09:52 – 00:09:57

a reachability crisis. I mean, people can still reach me. I just don't respond, which is the problem.

Ian

00:09:58 – 00:10:01

You need a a BA. Right? Gotta get a I do need a BA.

Aaron

00:10:01 – 00:10:01

Who who

Ian

00:10:01 – 00:10:06

needs your stuff and I know. Filters it and gives you the important stuff and all that.

Aaron

00:10:06 – 00:10:09

Yes. I've been trying to hire a VA forever.

Ian

00:10:09 – 00:10:10

Got it.

Aaron

00:10:10 – 00:10:26

I hired 1 I hired 1 a couple months ago from the Philippines using Support Shepherd, which is, like a outsource agency. And she was the worst. She was totally scamming me for sure. 100%. Yeah.

Aaron

00:10:26 – 00:10:28

Like, totally lying about everything.

Ian

00:10:28 – 00:10:28

Wow.

Aaron

00:10:29 – 00:10:56

Like, one time we got on a call and something I had asked her to do, I was watching the shared doc right before the call, and she was copying and pasting into the shared doc of everything that I had asked her to do, and you could tell she was pasting from, like, just some other website. And I was like, hey. Did you actually spend time doing this or did you just copy and paste? And that's the day that I had to let her go. So it you know, it's not it's not easy finding a VA.

Ian

00:10:57 – 00:11:11

No. I think we talked about this maybe on here before, but my whole philosophy is they have to be in person. Like, there's just too many things I need them to do in my local life that I feel like it's not worth it if they're not physically here where I can send them to do things Yeah. That I need done. Like You don't

Aaron

00:11:11 – 00:11:13

need a b a. You need an a. Yeah.

Ian

00:11:13 – 00:11:15

There's gotta be a better way to say that. Yeah. Yeah.

Aaron

00:11:15 – 00:11:16

You just need an assistant. Yeah.

Ian

00:11:16 – 00:11:20

Right. Executive assistant. Yeah. That's what they were talking about. In the day.

Ian

00:11:20 – 00:11:26

Yeah. Yeah. The executive assistant. Alright. I don't know.

Ian

00:11:26 – 00:11:27

Do we have anything else on that?

Aaron

00:11:28 – 00:11:33

I woke up today. I woke up today, local time, 8:47 AM.

Ian

00:11:34 – 00:11:36

8:47 AM. Wow.

Aaron

00:11:36 – 00:11:38

Which is why this 9 o'clock got pushed a little bit.

Ian

00:11:39 – 00:11:40

Because I also woke up fall asleep.

Aaron

00:11:41 – 00:11:46

Yeah. I also woke up local time 4 AM to go soothe 2 crying babies.

Ian

00:11:46 – 00:11:46

Mhmm.

Aaron

00:11:46 – 00:11:49

So the night nurse is gone, so it's just us now.

Ian

00:11:50 – 00:11:52

Oh, wow. You're you're not paying

Aaron

00:11:52 – 00:11:58

for for sleep anymore. No respites. It's just us forever. For 18 more years. It's just us.

Aaron

00:11:58 – 00:12:09

Yeah. So, yeah, this morning I went in and they were doing the whole hysterical, let's cry alternating cycles.

Ian

00:12:10 – 00:12:11

That's fun.

Aaron

00:12:11 – 00:12:23

Here comes dad. Let's set him up. So, yeah, I was in there from probably 4:30 to 6:30 and then got back in bed at 6:45 and slept till 8:45.

Ian

00:12:24 – 00:12:33

Do they get each other going? Like, get like, is you get the one to sleep and the other one's still crying, wakes up the one you got to sleep, or does that kinda work itself too?

Aaron

00:12:34 – 00:12:37

These 2, it actually does seem a little bit like that.

Ian

00:12:37 – 00:12:37

The

Aaron

00:12:37 – 00:12:56

first two, it was not that way at all. These 2, it does seem like if if the girl is crying, the boy wakes up a little more easily. But hopefully that will subside because they're going to be in the same room for, you know, ever. Yeah. So hopefully they'll figure that out pretty quickly.

Aaron

00:12:56 – 00:13:01

That's an interesting question is what age do we switch from twin rooms to gender rooms, you know?

Ian

00:13:01 – 00:13:13

Yeah. I think twin twins at the whole it's like a different rule set there. It is. You can just kinda go, like, me or forever. I feel like I've known some twins that are, like they were pretty old when they did the switch.

Ian

00:13:13 – 00:13:18

Yeah, although you cut the 2 sets So I guess like that I know I guess you and they're close in age. I guess

Aaron

00:13:18 – 00:13:18

they are

Ian

00:13:18 – 00:13:24

could even do it earlier I know. Like, sort of a little different scenario there.

Aaron

00:13:24 – 00:13:32

I know. It'll be interesting. It'll be up to them, of course, but it'll be it'll be interesting to see when they start agitating for, like, I wanna be in a room with all girls and

Ian

00:13:32 – 00:13:39

all boys. Yeah. Or just I mean, well, then you're gonna have this whole dynamic where the 2 twins are, like, are they closer with the twin?

Aaron

00:13:40 – 00:13:40

I know.

Ian

00:13:40 – 00:13:43

You know? And maybe they don't wanna be apart from the twin.

Aaron

00:13:43 – 00:13:43

I know.

Ian

00:13:44 – 00:13:49

They don't care about the gender stuff. They're like, no. I wanna be with my twin. Yeah. That's like a whole dynamic.

Aaron

00:13:49 – 00:13:54

Crazy. The dynamics are crazy. That's what I'm trying to get paid. Do you see my tweet about that? I'm trying to get paid for this.

Ian

00:13:54 – 00:13:56

Oh, yes, I did. There's got

Aaron

00:13:56 – 00:13:58

to be a way that I can capitalize on this.

Ian

00:13:58 – 00:13:59

Yeah. Probably tell you.

Aaron

00:13:59 – 00:14:07

Show Harvard Longitudinal Studies, something like this is weird and people love weird stuff. So how do I get paid for this?

Ian

00:14:08 – 00:14:26

I feel like, you need one more set. I feel like if you had one more set Wow. Then then you could definitely pull it off. I feel like 4 with 2 sets of twins with only 4 kids, not quite radical enough. But if you had 3 sets of twins and all of them were like 2 years apart, year and a half apart, I feel like that's something.

Ian

00:14:26 – 00:14:31

Now now you can go to HBO or lifetime, probably more likely. It was a good it was a good idea. I'll have

Aaron

00:14:31 – 00:14:33

to make my money the old fashioned way,

Ian

00:14:33 – 00:14:39

though. That's a bummer. Nothing worse than making money the old fashioned way. It's so much better making money other ways.

Aaron

00:14:39 – 00:14:40

Nothing worse

Ian

00:14:40 – 00:14:46

than now. Some money. Oh, we're getting money. Money for you know, finding money.

Aaron

00:14:46 – 00:14:47

Windfall? I would take a windfall.

Ian

00:14:47 – 00:14:53

Windfall? Who doesn't love a windfall? When you have to, like, grind every day for years. To me, it's fine.

Aaron

00:14:53 – 00:14:54

But worse. Like idiots.

Ian

00:14:55 – 00:15:10

Yeah. I feel like it I do feel like we're doing something stupid. That's how I feel every time I get any kind of spam or, like, text message spam or things like that. I'm like, I'm pretty smart. Feel like I could do this better than these people are doing this and make a lot more money doing it than they're doing.

Ian

00:15:11 – 00:15:26

Yeah. Because it's, like, some things are just obvious that they're doing wrong, and I feel like I could fix it and make this bad spammy stuff better and more, you know, close more deals, so to speak, gotten the spam. Like, why are we not doing that? We gotta go black hat.

Aaron

00:15:26 – 00:15:33

I I think it when I hear that, like, oh, yeah. My, you know, my buddy just sold his landscaping business for 7,000,000.

Ian

00:15:34 – 00:15:34

Right.

Aaron

00:15:34 – 00:15:39

And I'm like, what what what technology enabled that? And they're like, no. No. No. No.

Aaron

00:15:39 – 00:15:41

Landscaping. They mow grass.

Ian

00:15:41 – 00:15:42

Shit.

Aaron

00:15:43 – 00:15:53

Bamboozled again. Or, like, fence builders. Fence builders. They make a ton of money. And they drive trucks that are bigger than houses.

Aaron

00:15:53 – 00:16:03

They drive, like, f 4 fifties, and they climb out of them in their fancy boots, and they're just here to go. Ladder. Yeah. I'm like, what what am I doing wrong? It's a 2016 4 Runner, but come on, man.

Aaron

00:16:03 – 00:16:05

Yeah. I don't know.

Ian

00:16:05 – 00:16:10

And they don't have a market. Every real world business you ever talk to have no idea about marketing. No idea about branding.

Aaron

00:16:10 – 00:16:10

No idea.

Ian

00:16:10 – 00:16:23

Like, I the way I feel, I'm on, like, Twitter and, like, you all these guru types where, like, I'm doing everything perfect. Everything's wonderful. It's all amazing. Right? Like, that's how I would be to them because they don't know I have no idea what's going on.

Ian

00:16:23 – 00:16:41

Yes. Like, I'm some kinda alien genius life form compared to how they think about branding and marketing stuff. And it's like, well, if we just took what we know and Yep. Did it in my town, like, I could just be the dominant force here in the men's building business or whatever. You could use the way that the way that you find

Aaron

00:16:41 – 00:16:53

a fence builder is you find a fence and you call the number that's on the fence, and the owner answers. And he's like, well, I don't know. Text text me your details. I'll see if I can come out.

Ian

00:16:53 – 00:16:56

You know, like Right. They're they're always inconvenienced. They're always inconvenient that

Aaron

00:16:56 – 00:17:02

you did the I'm sorry. I called you, but is there a way that I could get a fence built? We'll see.

Ian

00:17:03 – 00:17:07

It's a 100% of the time. That that interaction is always that way. Or the plumber.

Aaron

00:17:07 – 00:17:08

The plumber.

Ian

00:17:08 – 00:17:16

We gotta charge you $200 just to come out, and then, yeah, I guess we can do it. Blah blah blah. It's like a it's a pain in the butt.

Aaron

00:17:16 – 00:17:18

The toilet's leaking. Wow. What'd you do?

Ian

00:17:19 – 00:17:19

I I

Aaron

00:17:19 – 00:17:22

didn't do anything, man. The toilet's just leaking.

Ian

00:17:23 – 00:17:27

Man, we're wasting wasting our lives on the Internet. We are. We thought it was genius, but

Aaron

00:17:27 – 00:17:32

We could be out there doing manual labor, and we're in here, like, a couple of dilettantes.

Ian

00:17:32 – 00:17:35

We're trapped in here. Yeah. Could be out there.

Aaron

00:17:35 – 00:17:36

Typing on our little screens.

Ian

00:17:38 – 00:17:42

Man. Oh, geez. We're not gonna follow-up. Let's see. Yeah.

Ian

00:17:42 – 00:17:43

We got lots of follow ups. So

Aaron

00:17:43 – 00:17:44

Lots of follow-up.

Ian

00:17:44 – 00:17:47

We're working from the top here, I guess. Right? What do we got here?

Aaron

00:17:49 – 00:17:53

John follow-up on the, on the coffee soda conversation.

Ian

00:17:54 – 00:17:57

Yeah. And I guess we and then Taylor chimed in on that too. I don't

Aaron

00:17:57 – 00:17:58

think it was Yeah. I don't

Ian

00:17:58 – 00:18:00

know if it was directly to us, but it was in the same

Aaron

00:18:00 – 00:18:01

vein. Sauce.

Ian

00:18:04 – 00:18:17

So yeah. So John Newmaker, he goes half cap, full cap, like half and half, I guess. Decaf and full cap. What so where are you on that, I guess, before we even get too deep this? Where are you?

Aaron

00:18:17 – 00:18:18

I thought you went

Ian

00:18:18 – 00:18:21

for coffee with somebody, so it sounds like you're not totally off.

Aaron

00:18:21 – 00:18:22

I'm not totally off.

Ian

00:18:22 – 00:18:24

That was a decaf. I'll have you know. That was decaf? Okay. That

Aaron

00:18:24 – 00:18:25

was decaf.

Ian

00:18:25 – 00:18:25

Very nice.

Aaron

00:18:25 – 00:18:39

That was decaf. So that still fits in with with my my budgeted allowance. So I'm still 1 to 2 half calf in the morning here at home. And then just to feel a little bit of god's son on my face, I get out

Ian

00:18:39 – 00:18:39

of the

Aaron

00:18:39 – 00:18:42

house and go get go get my decaf.

Ian

00:18:42 – 00:18:44

You addicts are too much, I'm telling

Aaron

00:18:44 – 00:19:01

you. Yeah. It's it's truly a thing. So this feedback from from John Newnemaker was to get cometier decaf, which apparently is the best kind of decaf, and it comes in, like, frozen pucks. There are some pictures in the thread.

Aaron

00:19:01 – 00:19:07

Cool. But it comes in frozen pucks, and he just uses 8 ounces of hot water, and you have coffee, which is Oh,

Ian

00:19:07 – 00:19:11

frozen puck. Look at this thing. Okay. I didn't realize this was the Yeah. He's got

Aaron

00:19:11 – 00:19:13

a whole drawer full of it.

Ian

00:19:13 – 00:19:16

A frozen puck of coffee.

Aaron

00:19:16 – 00:19:25

I gotta be honest. I don't understand the frozen part. They look like Keurig pods, like Keurig, plastic things. But they're yeah. They're totally frozen.

Ian

00:19:25 – 00:19:35

You put them in hot water or something like that? Is that what goes on there? Yeah. 8 ounces of hot water and milk, and you have coffee. Right?

Ian

00:19:35 – 00:19:37

I don't know about this.

Aaron

00:19:37 – 00:19:38

I I love coffee scheme.

Ian

00:19:38 – 00:19:45

Right? Don't you love a like, when I was drinking coffee, I was like, Arrow Cross. Yeah. They're like, yeah. We we talk we love schemes, and a coffee scheme is one of the best scheme.

Aaron

00:19:45 – 00:19:48

Coffee scheme is a scheme. It's an artisanal scheme. Here's the problem

Ian

00:19:48 – 00:19:50

with my tea. Butter in your coffee

Aaron

00:19:50 – 00:19:56

or whatever. What's the commentier? Is I'm am I am I using a teapot now? How am I getting 8 ounces of hot water?

Ian

00:19:56 – 00:20:02

Yeah. You gotta have a kettle. You gotta have electric kettle. That's the game with tea. If you're gonna get into the tea game, you need an electric kettle.

Ian

00:20:02 – 00:20:06

And I would suggest getting a good one. I've had the bad ones. The good one's better.

Aaron

00:20:06 – 00:20:24

I do love accoutrements, but I don't know if I'm gonna become a tea guy enough to like get it an electric kettle. So anyway, that's, that's a new to maker's comment is check out the commentier, which looks like d to c, good branding, you know, all clean, that kind of stuff. So

Ian

00:20:25 – 00:20:28

to c. That's another thing I feel like wouldn't mind doing.

Aaron

00:20:28 – 00:20:39

Yeah. Although I hear I hear horror stories on Twitter of of d to c margins, shipping, returns. It does seem like the margins are pretty rough.

Ian

00:20:39 – 00:20:42

Everybody thinks they're gonna be the, the shaver people, but Yeah.

Aaron

00:20:42 – 00:20:43

Ian

00:20:43 – 00:20:44

doesn't always work out that way.

Aaron

00:20:44 – 00:20:53

Yeah. So next one down, drew bread vic hits this the Zevia soda. We got a couple of replies about Zevia.

Ian

00:20:53 – 00:20:56

Never even heard of this. I have no idea what it is.

Aaron

00:20:56 – 00:20:59

It's because off brand sodas suck as a rule.

Ian

00:20:59 – 00:21:00

Right. So,

Aaron

00:21:01 – 00:21:13

yes, that's like you go to you go to a restaurant and you're like, I'll have a diet Coke. You're like, actually, we have main root soda. They get you a diet main root cola. And I'm like, no, Give me Diet Coke.

Ian

00:21:13 – 00:21:15

Even worse, they say they have Pepsi, and you're like,

Aaron

00:21:15 – 00:21:16

oh, that's embarrassing.

Ian

00:21:16 – 00:21:17

Yeah. It doesn't Okay. Well hate Pepsi.

Aaron

00:21:17 – 00:21:20

I have I have monopoly money. Same same idea.

Ian

00:21:21 – 00:21:23

What's a those look like a Coke 0

Aaron

00:21:23 – 00:21:24

Yeah.

Ian

00:21:24 – 00:21:25

Like thing.

Aaron

00:21:25 – 00:21:34

Yeah. Coke 0 like thing. I, I picked up some some zevia. I went to the local Sprouts next to the apartment studio, picked up some zevia.

Ian

00:21:34 – 00:21:35

Don't even know what that is.

Aaron

00:21:36 – 00:21:39

Aggressively average cola. I'll be honest.

Ian

00:21:39 – 00:21:40

What you would have expected?

Aaron

00:21:41 – 00:21:45

Here's my problem, I think. I don't like regular Coke.

Ian

00:21:46 – 00:21:48

Mhmm. I like That's weird.

Aaron

00:21:48 – 00:21:57

Diet Coke. Mhmm. And so all these cola replacements generation. Yeah. All these cola replacements are like, we're almost Coke.

Aaron

00:21:57 – 00:22:02

And I'm like, I don't like Coke. And so I think what I like is maybe aspartame.

Ian

00:22:03 – 00:22:10

Right. I hate aspartame. See, I can't. Anytime I taste it anything, I love it. It's gross.

Ian

00:22:10 – 00:22:16

I hate everything about it. Good. I just want to, like, sugar. I want the real sugar. Oh, how can the aspartoutines so bad?

Aaron

00:22:16 – 00:22:23

It's so good, and it's so good for you. It, like, makes you forget stuff. You're like, I don't remember anything. No. Yeah.

Ian

00:22:23 – 00:22:24

Definitely not good for you.

Aaron

00:22:24 – 00:22:54

So, Stevia, thanks thanks for the feedback, Drew. It was, it is I will say it, like, is the only thing that can scratch that itch because it is, you know, 0 caffeine, 0 sugar, actually clean, you know, whatever. But frankly, I may I'm I would be more open to trying Coke, diet caffeine free diet Coke, which is basically just like dirty water. I think I would do that before Zevia. So

Ian

00:22:55 – 00:22:58

Isn't that Coke 0, or is Coke 0 something else?

Aaron

00:22:58 – 00:23:01

Coke 0? Here's the thing. Okay.

Ian

00:23:01 – 00:23:02

I'm not up on all my different Cokes.

Aaron

00:23:02 – 00:23:05

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So there's Coke. You know Coke.

Aaron

00:23:05 – 00:23:06

Mhmm. There's Coke. Yeah.

Ian

00:23:06 – 00:23:08

I drink a lot of Coke

Aaron

00:23:08 – 00:23:09

in my day. Yeah.

Ian

00:23:09 – 00:23:11

Same page there. Then there's Diet Coke, which is,

Aaron

00:23:11 – 00:23:15

like, fundamentally different, tastes completely different.

Ian

00:23:15 – 00:23:16

No sugar.

Aaron

00:23:16 – 00:23:18

No sugar, tons of aspartame

Ian

00:23:19 – 00:23:20

Whatever is in there. Right?

Aaron

00:23:20 – 00:23:33

Fan. Right. Then they were like, oh, wow. People that love Coke want a lower calorie, like, better version of Coke, and that is Coke 0. Oh.

Aaron

00:23:33 – 00:23:33

Where where

Ian

00:23:33 – 00:23:34

still has caffeine.

Aaron

00:23:35 – 00:23:40

It still has caffeine, and and and it still tastes a lot like Coke.

Ian

00:23:40 – 00:23:41

Closer to Coke.

Aaron

00:23:41 – 00:23:49

It is so much closer. So people are always like, try Coke 0. And I'm like, no, it tastes like Coke. If I wanted a 0, I would do Doctor Pepper 10,

Ian

00:23:49 – 00:23:50

which, you

Aaron

00:23:50 – 00:23:52

know, 10 and 0 were not the same number, but they're close

Ian

00:23:52 – 00:23:53

close enough.

Aaron

00:23:53 – 00:23:59

Yeah. Because I don't like diet Doctor. Pepper. I like regular Doctor. Pepper and Diet Coke.

Aaron

00:24:01 – 00:24:01

Yeah.

Ian

00:24:02 – 00:24:20

Well, I'm fascinated by this whole drinking soda thing in general. Because to me, I don't know if it's like a northeast thing. Maybe there's a little regional difference here, or maybe I'm just not in those circles. But to me, drinking soda is pretty much, like, in the same ballpark as, like, smoking cigarettes. Like, I don't see people smoking cigarettes, and I don't see people

Aaron

00:24:20 – 00:24:25

drinking soda. James Dean then. If it's smoking cigarettes, I'm the coolest guy that ever lived.

Ian

00:24:25 – 00:24:43

Like, I don't see people like, I don't do either one, and I don't see people doing either one. Like, I don't I don't see people ordering Cokes places and things. Like, it's not like literally 0 more people than smoking cigarettes, but, like, it's still, like, way, way less than you know, when I was a kid, just everybody drank Coke all the time. That was the only liquid there was was Coke. Yep.

Ian

00:24:43 – 00:25:00

Everywhere Coke, home Coke, 2 liter gallons of Coke or whatever the thing is. Like, the whole thing, that's what we had. That's what all anybody drank. Now it's definitely not like that, you know, in people's houses. And then at restaurants, you see people drinking it, but you also see people just having water or having, like, other beverages.

Ian

00:25:00 – 00:25:01

So I don't know. It's

Aaron

00:25:02 – 00:25:07

interesting. It's so embarrassing to order a water at a restaurant. I can't I just can't imagine.

Ian

00:25:07 – 00:25:08

That's why I like

Aaron

00:25:08 – 00:25:09

to actually because

Ian

00:25:09 – 00:25:15

They don't give you the water, but you guys get wine. Like, all there is is wine. There's no water in European restaurants or Italian restaurants.

Aaron

00:25:15 – 00:25:18

Yeah. You you know what's actually pretty good

Ian

00:25:18 – 00:25:19

Mhmm.

Aaron

00:25:19 – 00:25:26

Is, Chipotle's plain soda water. So the button next to the Sprite?

Ian

00:25:26 – 00:25:26

Yeah.

Aaron

00:25:26 – 00:25:32

Yeah. Uh-huh. The button next to the Sprite, it comes out ice cold and super bubbly. And so that's good.

Ian

00:25:32 – 00:25:36

Do you know every single one of those machines has that same button? You don't have to go to all these buttons.

Aaron

00:25:36 – 00:25:36

Okay, Ian.

Ian

00:25:36 – 00:25:39

You can go to McDonald's for that. You can go anywhere for that.

Aaron

00:25:39 – 00:25:50

Woah. This I'm I'm entering into a new world and and discovering things, and you are telling me you're you're giving me a hard time. Okay? I'm Look

Ian

00:25:50 – 00:25:51

at your hard time.

Aaron

00:25:51 – 00:25:55

Just I'm just dipping the toes literally into the water so you're out here

Ian

00:25:55 – 00:26:02

be aware so you don't have to, like, make a special trip to Chipotle's to get a nice cold seltzer. You can get that literally anywhere that has a soda fountain. So you're I

Aaron

00:26:02 – 00:26:05

love your Chipotles, though. Chipotles Chipotles is

Ian

00:26:05 – 00:26:07

the best. Falling off a little bit.

Aaron

00:26:07 – 00:26:08

Oh, okay. We got

Ian

00:26:08 – 00:26:09

Oh, don't you think?

Aaron

00:26:09 – 00:26:13

To get through. No. We don't have time. No. It's gotten worse expensive.

Ian

00:26:13 – 00:26:18

This well, yeah. That's fine. But, like but I feel like it's gotten worse, like, tasting.

Aaron

00:26:19 – 00:26:20

No. Disagree. No.

Ian

00:26:20 – 00:26:27

Alright. I gotta try. I haven't been in a while because the last few times I had it was a little off and then I've been going to the salsa fresca. I don't know if you have salsa fresca. No.

Ian

00:26:27 – 00:26:27

I don't

Aaron

00:26:27 – 00:26:28

know if that's

Ian

00:26:28 – 00:26:32

knockoff, but I think it's more, like, regional. But

Aaron

00:26:32 – 00:26:48

I I'll try Salsa fresca. Silly name. Won't go there. Last bit of Twitter feedback is, Josh Manders says, what's the good word is said a lot here in the Iowa, Wisconsin, Illinois, Minnesota area. So

Ian

00:26:48 – 00:26:49

Interesting.

Aaron

00:26:49 – 00:26:53

I'm not crazy. What's the good bird?

Ian

00:26:53 – 00:27:01

Is it that picked it up. But not in Texas. Right? Not not you hear you don't hear people saying it around you. Yeah.

Aaron

00:27:01 – 00:27:04

No. I think that's an Aaron Francis original down here in the south.

Ian

00:27:05 – 00:27:07

Working on the Internet, you picked it up somewhere.

Aaron

00:27:07 – 00:27:09

Maybe. That is true.

Ian

00:27:10 – 00:27:30

Alright. We did have one other, email feedback, which I've been trying to read lately from, Joey Mackenzie. Thanks, Joey. This is a big long email. I'm not gonna read this whole thing, but I did think, the one or two questions here was interesting for us to cover on air, primarily, since this actually just came up from me yesterday.

Ian

00:27:30 – 00:27:35

Also, your Larabel slash p p origin story. What's your

Aaron

00:27:35 – 00:27:46

origin story? Mhmm. But would you have to say that Joey's email is titled Mostly Praise, comma a few questions. So I'm already team Joey. Yeah.

Aaron

00:27:46 – 00:27:49

Right. Big, big, big fan of Joey. So

Ian

00:27:49 – 00:27:50

if you want to if you want to

Aaron

00:27:50 – 00:27:55

get to the top of the queue. Yeah. Mostly praise a few questions. That's good framing, Joey. Good job.

Ian

00:27:55 – 00:27:57

Interesting subject lines. Yeah.

Aaron

00:27:57 – 00:28:23

Yeah. My origin story is pretty basic. I started with ASP dot NET when I was, like, 11 or 12 Crazy. And quickly transitioned to PHP, no framework, and did PHP for, like, no framework for, like, 10 years just as a hobbyist. And then the first framework I picked up was Yi, y I I.

Aaron

00:28:23 – 00:28:32

Mhmm. And it was great at the time. I think it was Yi 2 or maybe 1.1 at the time.

Ian

00:28:32 – 00:28:33

I was kinda like that name.

Aaron

00:28:34 – 00:28:36

It's so hard to say out loud, though.

Ian

00:28:36 – 00:28:37

It is. Yeah.

Aaron

00:28:37 – 00:28:46

Yi. What? Yi. You got to spell it. I I was deciding between Yee and Laravel 4.

Aaron

00:28:46 – 00:29:00

I think it was Laravel 4. And I tried to install Laravel 4 locally, and it was like, you need, ext dash intl for this to work. And I was like, I don't know what that means. And I tried to install yi and it worked. And so I just picked yi, which is kind of funny.

Ian

00:29:01 – 00:29:02

That is funny.

Aaron

00:29:02 – 00:29:37

So I did Yi for maybe 2, 3, 4 years and then switched over to Laravel. And the whole time the whole time I've just stuck with PHP because I've known it for so long. Like since I was, you know, 13, I've been using PHP. And so it just feels so natural to me. And I've always been so focused on I've always been so focused on trying to build the thing that I'm building that I don't really get wrapped around the axle on, like, what should I be using to build this?

Aaron

00:29:39 – 00:30:03

Which somebody the other day was like, how do you all avoid shiny object syndrome? And then my response was because Laravel gives me literally everything I need to build the thing I'm trying to build that I don't worry about. Like, I wonder if I should pick up Astro or, you know, Svelte or whatever. Because my goal is not to I think we've talked about this before. My goal is not to be a great engineer.

Aaron

00:30:03 – 00:30:16

My goal is to build something and, you know, either get rich or become a fence guy. So that's kind of. That's right. So that's I mean, I came by it honestly. I was a kid, and I liked PHP, and so I've stuck with it.

Ian

00:30:17 – 00:30:22

That's crazy. I wish I could get my kids on the PSP or any programming. They're not really into the programming. But

Aaron

00:30:22 – 00:30:22

Yeah.

Ian

00:30:23 – 00:30:28

Yeah. That's kinda, that's, like, it's so crazy that you've been doing it that long. It's like

Aaron

00:30:28 – 00:30:29

I know.

Ian

00:30:29 – 00:30:32

Old school. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Laravel, we're kinda in the shiny object.

Ian

00:30:32 – 00:30:39

Right? Like, I feel like I'm inside the the shiny object still. Yeah. So I'm flying around up in the shiny object. Like, I don't need a different shiny object.

Aaron

00:30:39 – 00:30:40

Sounds good.

Ian

00:30:40 – 00:30:52

Yeah. That's great. Yeah. Mine is yeah. I was doing cold fusion at the startup y thing in the dotcomish era and then the lead or the CTO, I guess he was.

Ian

00:30:52 – 00:31:10

Because, like, for this next thing, we're gonna use, PHP. And I was like, this thing's terrible because, like, ColdFusion gave you all this awesome stuff and had none of the awesome stuff and also had no packages or libraries or frameworks or anything. And I was like, This is terrible. Why are we doing this?

Aaron

00:31:10 – 00:31:13

And has a boss ass name called fusion.

Ian

00:31:14 – 00:31:16

I know. Cold Fusion is so good.

Aaron

00:31:16 – 00:31:16

It's so

Ian

00:31:16 – 00:31:36

cool. HP was so bad back then, but, anyway, but then I started my own stuff, and I was like, well, I could pay for ColdFusion's server, and you have to license it by the server and, like, all that stuff. And I'm like, well, that's not gonna work. So I'll just use PHP because now I know it. And even though it doesn't anything and there's nothing useful in it at all, it's all, like, the most base layer and I have to invent everything.

Ian

00:31:36 – 00:31:49

I guess I'll just use that. But, no, PSP is much better now, obviously. But, yeah, that's that's kinda it. And that was, like, 2002 or something. So yeah.

Aaron

00:31:49 – 00:31:52

But then don't forget, you discovered Taylor.

Ian

00:31:52 – 00:31:54

I did discover Taylor.

Aaron

00:31:54 – 00:32:08

You're you're like, if I knew if I knew a single musical agent to a single giant star, I would say you're like that person, but I don't. So imagine that I know who doctor Dre's agent or discover is, and you're like you're like that person.

Ian

00:32:08 – 00:32:22

Should I should I yeah. I can give that story super quick. I was, like, even the hired hired dev, and, it was funny because, like, I found Laravel, and this is awesome. I wanna, like, do stuff and, you know, just like the vibe of it, the docs, and all that stuff. Yeah.

Ian

00:32:22 – 00:32:38

Everything we all love about Laravel even back then in version 2, I think it was, or maybe late version 1, whatever it was. And then I was like, gosh. Just hire this guy. And then I went on some website. I was like, it was like, it says programmer's website.

Ian

00:32:38 – 00:32:43

It was like, was it like something tree or code tree or

Aaron

00:32:43 – 00:32:45

Code tree was the thing that I was

Ian

00:32:45 – 00:32:51

It was like a it was like a you posted your code snippets and like, it was like a social network of sorts for

Aaron

00:32:51 – 00:32:52

okay.

Ian

00:32:52 – 00:33:03

Coders. But, but they had some kind of feature. I mean, I'd never even used this thing. I just found him on there, and it was like, you can flag if you're looking for work, and he had done that. So I was like, oh, let me reach out to him.

Ian

00:33:03 – 00:33:10

And that was it. And he came and worked here, and, rest is kinda history and did a lot of cool stuff.

Aaron

00:33:11 – 00:33:12

That's why you're the godfather.

Ian

00:33:13 – 00:33:23

That's why I'm the godfather. Yeah. And then I just found out everybody on the Internets here was doing that first, commit on GitHub Uh-huh. Tool that's been going around. And my first commit was in Laravel.

Ian

00:33:23 – 00:33:24

My first

Aaron

00:33:24 – 00:33:24

Oh, that's cool.

Ian

00:33:25 – 00:33:36

PR on GitHub was in Laravel and the the number 200 or something like that. And then, Taylor said that's out of 35,000. So pretty early. Not many out there can top that. Nope.

Ian

00:33:36 – 00:33:44

Early on. I got an eye for these things, but, I don't always turn them into money, but I do have an eye for them.

Aaron

00:33:45 – 00:33:50

Well, that's step 1. Yeah. Having good taste having good taste is step 1.

Ian

00:33:50 – 00:33:50

Yeah. I don't know

Aaron

00:33:50 – 00:33:55

what step 2 is, but step 3 is profit. So Yeah. We'll we'll figure that out.

Ian

00:33:55 – 00:34:00

We'll do that later. Alright. That's all. We had a lot of follow-up this week. Got a lot of follow-up.

Aaron

00:34:01 – 00:34:02

Follow-up. We love the follow-up.

Ian

00:34:02 – 00:34:08

Let's let's get that. I like to clear that out to cleanse my mind. Alright. There we go. Just do a little housekeeping.

Ian

00:34:08 – 00:34:14

Alright. Alright. So what is this? You intrigued me with this. You the note is Aaron bought a chili pad.

Ian

00:34:15 – 00:34:17

I'm very curious what a chili pad is. I mean,

Aaron

00:34:17 – 00:34:18

like, this is anything up?

Ian

00:34:18 – 00:34:20

No. I have not. Have you brought this into some

Aaron

00:34:20 – 00:34:21

kind of Texas

Ian

00:34:21 – 00:34:40

thing or, what this is? I I literally have no idea. A chili pad. Is it like a a thing you actually slap on your body to put, like, the stuff inside you because it's good for your health? Is it a, some kind of pad for you and your mistress?

Ian

00:34:40 – 00:34:41

Is it that kind of thing?

Aaron

00:34:42 – 00:34:43

Any Me and my wife.

Ian

00:34:44 – 00:34:53

Well, you know, it's like a chili pad. Like, this is some other kind of thing. Okay. Is it, something to be your bed? Like, is it, like, cool at night or something like that?

Aaron

00:34:53 – 00:34:55

Oh, getting hotter.

Ian

00:34:55 – 00:34:56

Keeps you warm at night.

Aaron

00:34:56 – 00:35:02

Getting getting colder, getting hotter. It is a pad for your bed Okay. To regulate temperature. Yeah.

Ian

00:35:02 – 00:35:08

Alright. So this is like the what's that other one that everybody uses? Like BedJet? No. No.

Ian

00:35:08 – 00:35:13

I never heard of that one. The one that like, it's, like, suit is it, like, sleep 8 or something like that?

Aaron

00:35:13 – 00:35:14

8 sleep?

Ian

00:35:14 – 00:35:16

8 sleep. Yeah.

Aaron

00:35:16 – 00:35:20

I don't know if 8 is a temperature. Is 8? Oh, it sure is.

Ian

00:35:22 – 00:35:25

How about that? But your thing's not an 8 Sleep. Right?

Aaron

00:35:26 – 00:35:27

No. It's a chili pad.

Ian

00:35:27 – 00:35:30

Okay. I don't know what a chili pad is. Let me look this up. So chili pad.

Aaron

00:35:30 – 00:35:33

Chili pad by sleep me bed cooling system.

Ian

00:35:33 – 00:35:34

Sleep me.

Aaron

00:35:34 – 00:35:34

Okay.

Ian

00:35:34 – 00:35:41

It is similar to the sleep aid. It's like I got an external unit that's pumping Yes. Stuff around.

Aaron

00:35:41 – 00:35:45

Pumping, I think, cold liquid through a

Ian

00:35:45 – 00:35:46

Right.

Aaron

00:35:46 – 00:35:47

A bed topper.

Ian

00:35:48 – 00:35:48

Okay.

Aaron

00:35:49 – 00:35:52

Here's the deal. We gotta get the sleep going, man.

Ian

00:35:52 – 00:35:54

I love the schemes. Yes.

Aaron

00:35:54 – 00:35:55

The sleep has gotta happen.

Ian

00:35:56 – 00:35:57

Right. Definitely. Right

Aaron

00:35:57 – 00:36:01

now right now, the sleep is not happening. I think

Ian

00:36:01 – 00:36:02

that's the one that I have.

Aaron

00:36:02 – 00:36:03

A couple times last night. And Mhmm.

Ian

00:36:03 – 00:36:04

So we're

Aaron

00:36:04 – 00:36:13

in this rent house. Rent house doesn't have a ceiling fan. I know ceiling fans in bedrooms are, like, ugly and bad design. I love a ceiling fan in a bedroom. Right.

Aaron

00:36:14 – 00:36:16

I just I just love to be like, I want to sleep in a vortex.

Ian

00:36:17 – 00:36:17

Right.

Aaron

00:36:17 – 00:36:24

And this is one of those houses where, like, the air ducts, like, have uneven distribution.

Ian

00:36:25 – 00:36:25

Mhmm.

Aaron

00:36:25 – 00:36:38

So it's like, oh, the kids' room is kinda, it's kinda pleasant. You walk back into the master bedroom, and it's like, oh my god. It's a a furnace. There's a jet engine running back here. And so I wake up a few times a night just, like, sweaty.

Ian

00:36:39 – 00:36:41

Yeah. Temperature is a big thing for sleep.

Aaron

00:36:41 – 00:36:56

Oh, it's the freaking worst. And so I'm never gonna get better if I don't sleep. And I'm never gonna sleep if it's a 1000000 degrees. We've already got you've we've already got, like, some box fans and stuff going back there, and it's, like, it's not working.

Ian

00:36:56 – 00:36:57

More industrial.

Aaron

00:36:57 – 00:37:01

I need some I need something a little bit a little bit better. And so

Ian

00:37:01 – 00:37:02

Some kick.

Aaron

00:37:02 – 00:37:16

Yeah. So I have a friend who has a chili pad, and I texted him. And I was like, hey, what's the deal? He's like, it's worth every penny. I used to wake up a bunch, and now I sleep in a t shirt because sometimes it's it's so cold, and I don't wake up at all.

Aaron

00:37:17 – 00:37:26

Uh-huh. And I was like, man, that sucks because it's expensive, but it sounds really great. And he said, you can come over and sleep in the middle if you wanna try it out.

Ian

00:37:28 – 00:37:31

Oh, you should've done that. You should've logged that. Oh, man.

Aaron

00:37:31 – 00:37:40

I was like, that's alright. So I got one. I got half of it. So you can buy them. They come in, like, halves, right?

Aaron

00:37:40 – 00:37:57

So you and your your sleepmates can have a different temperature. Sleep mate was for the general public. In my case, that would be my wife. You can have different different temperatures. She doesn't have a problem sleeping, so we just buy half right now because it is expandable.

Aaron

00:37:57 – 00:38:00

You don't have to, like, buy a whole new set. That's gonna be So it should arrive today.

Ian

00:38:01 – 00:38:02

Okay. Haven't used it yet. I see.

Aaron

00:38:02 – 00:38:09

I haven't used it yet. And you like so it goes on top of the mattress under, like, under the sheets and stuff.

Ian

00:38:09 – 00:38:09

Right.

Aaron

00:38:10 – 00:38:26

And it has a little external unit that has, you know, little hoses plugged into it, and you just like it just you set the temperature you want. So you're like, I wanna sleep at 65, and it just keeps it at 65. So don't know, man. We'll see.

Ian

00:38:26 – 00:38:39

I like it. I'm I'm up for this. I think, yeah, that seems like a reasonable thing to try out. Everybody swears by these things. I'm more familiar with the 8 Sleep or whatever that one's called, but, people seem to always I always see people talking about it, and they're like, I love it.

Ian

00:38:39 – 00:38:45

It's the best thing ever. So I like it. I like a gadget. I love a good gadget.

Aaron

00:38:45 – 00:38:46

Love a gadget. Yeah.

Ian

00:38:46 – 00:38:51

Yeah. A gadget's gonna solve all your problems. That's always to believe. I think so.

Aaron

00:38:51 – 00:38:53

So I like that. If not this one,

Ian

00:38:53 – 00:39:00

the next one that I discover. Yeah. But, no, this isn't good. So and I mean, well, you'll have to report back. So it's arriving today.

Ian

00:39:00 – 00:39:00

So by

Aaron

00:39:00 – 00:39:01

Should arrive today.

Ian

00:39:01 – 00:39:09

Next next week, you should have data for us Yep. On, how you're feeling and all that. Are you a are you a Apple Watch to bed man?

Aaron

00:39:10 – 00:39:12

I'm not an Apple Watch at all, man.

Ian

00:39:12 – 00:39:16

Oh, well, there you go. Are you in any you don't have any you're not sleep tracking or any of that kind of stuff?

Aaron

00:39:17 – 00:39:25

No. And I promised on Twitter that I wouldn't start saying my sleep stack because, you know, all these all these bros are like, oh, you know, my sleep stack is you know, I do I

Ian

00:39:25 – 00:39:26

like that term.

Aaron

00:39:26 – 00:39:27

Yeah. No. I see that

Ian

00:39:27 – 00:39:32

domain is taken. Is that domain available? Sleepstack.com. No. It's a good that they tell you about

Aaron

00:39:32 – 00:39:48

they tell about all their vitamins and their, you know, their white noise and their chili pads. So, no, I don't do any sleep tracking at all. I don't know. I I don't know. I just don't know how useful it would be.

Aaron

00:39:48 – 00:39:50

I know. I know that I just

Ian

00:39:50 – 00:39:52

got like, it would stress me out. Like, I'm like, oh,

Aaron

00:39:52 – 00:39:52

man. Exactly.

Ian

00:39:52 – 00:40:00

It says, like, I only got 74% optimal sleep last night, and I would no. I feel terrible. Yeah. I I don't think I need that much data. It's too much data.

Aaron

00:40:00 – 00:40:10

There's too much data. Yeah. You know what I you know what I would pay for? It would be hard to pull off, is I would pay for a sleep tracker that lies to me and tells me I did better.

Ian

00:40:11 – 00:40:13

But I

Aaron

00:40:13 – 00:40:20

would have to believe it's honest. Right? So that's the hard part. Yeah. Because what I want is a sleep tracker to be like, man

Ian

00:40:20 – 00:40:21

You want placebo?

Aaron

00:40:22 – 00:40:26

Bud. Yeah. 92%. Now then I'm like, oh, I thought I was tired.

Ian

00:40:26 – 00:40:28

Right. I hit 92%.

Aaron

00:40:28 – 00:40:33

I actually do feel great. But, you know, the whole thing with placebos, you can't know about it.

Ian

00:40:33 – 00:40:46

Yeah. I feel like that might not be good for you, to be honest with you. It's like, yeah, you do have a problem sleeping. You need to fix that problem. Pretending you don't have a problem does get you pretty far, to be honest, but then at some point, you just scratch and burn.

Aaron

00:40:46 – 00:40:50

Oh, that's interesting. You don't think lying to myself is a good long term strategy?

Ian

00:40:50 – 00:40:53

I I mean, I'm not a doctor. I just played 1 on here.

Aaron

00:40:53 – 00:40:55

But Right. But you are a podcaster,

Ian

00:40:55 – 00:40:56

which is better

Aaron

00:40:56 – 00:40:57

than a doctor.

Ian

00:40:57 – 00:41:14

Yeah. Interesting. I'm very excited to hear about this because I've I've even though I've heard tons about these things, I've never known anyone, I don't think, or at least I haven't had a discussion with anyone I've known about this. So I'm looking forward to this analysis here. Maybe you're gonna be like, boom.

Ian

00:41:14 – 00:41:17

This is it. I feel a 1000 times better. Let's do it.

Aaron

00:41:18 – 00:41:28

That without without setting my hopes too high, that is my hope. Boom. This is it. I feel a 1000 times better. So I'm not setting myself up for disappointment at all on

Ian

00:41:28 – 00:41:29

the phrase. That's the

Aaron

00:41:29 – 00:41:30

way to do it.

Ian

00:41:31 – 00:41:38

Yeah. Alright. What else you got? So do you you tweeted about I know you I mean, you wrote a blog post about this. So you were you found a little time at the computer.

Ian

00:41:39 – 00:41:44

I'm back, baby. Yeah. You're back to, write up a blog post. So tell us about that.

Aaron

00:41:44 – 00:41:57

I wrote a blog post. So this is, this is part of the walk and talk series. This blog post originally was dictated by me to voice memos on my iPhone.

Ian

00:41:57 – 00:41:58

Interesting.

Aaron

00:41:58 – 00:42:28

And then and then sent to, Deepgram for transcription and then sent on to chat gpt for cleaning up and writing of the blog post. So I did all of that. You know, I I dictated it early in the year, probably early January. Oh. And finally, like, got it transcribed and sent it to chat gbt for, like, final writing, and it came back from chat gbt kinda crappy.

Aaron

00:42:29 – 00:42:58

So I still haven't figured out I still haven't figured out the best, I guess, prompt or or way to set it up so that it, like, writes a good blog post. But, you know, it was 40% useful when it came back from chat gbt. So I had, like, the the chat gbt written version and then the full transcript below it. And I ended up taking most of it from the full transcript. But, anyway, the bulk of the, you know, the bulk of the material was written just by me talking, which is really nice because it's way easier to talk.

Aaron

00:42:58 – 00:43:13

You can do it on the road. You can do it on a walk. It's just it's just way easier. And so the other day, I went to I went to Barnes and Noble and was like, I'm gonna like, I'm trying to I go back to PlanetScale March 8th, which is in, like, 2 weeks.

Ian

00:43:13 – 00:43:14

Oh, wow.

Aaron

00:43:14 – 00:43:16

And so yeah. Oh, no.

Ian

00:43:17 – 00:43:17

I'm

Aaron

00:43:17 – 00:43:31

not I'm not well yet. I was supposed to be well. So I'm trying to, like, do a little bit every day to be like, okay, I can, you know, rebuild my work muscle. And so this day, I was like, I'm gonna write this blog post. And so I did.

Aaron

00:43:31 – 00:43:57

And it's kind of self referential thing, because the title of the blog post is do literally anything. And the whole theory is, like, I often get overwhelmed by, like, all of the stuff that I either want to do or the stuff that I have to do. Yeah. And kind of like we talked about with texting friends back and I get I see all the stuff I have to do, and I'm like, oh, well, pity. Yep.

Aaron

00:43:57 – 00:44:10

Pity that nothing can be done. That's that's too bad. There's too much to do, so I can't I can't do anything. That's a real shame. And the solution has always been, and I always have to remind myself, just do anything.

Aaron

00:44:10 – 00:44:25

It's just like start anywhere. I have found I have found that the the motivation comes from the action and the action does not come from the motivation. Like, once I start doing stuff, I'm like, yeah. I can do stuff.

Ian

00:44:25 – 00:44:27

Let's do some stuff. I know.

Aaron

00:44:27 – 00:44:38

I do things. If I just sit there or I, like, you know, I'm scrolling Twitter and like, I got so much to do. I should worry about that. Nothing ever gets done. So that that was the impetus behind the whole thing.

Ian

00:44:39 – 00:45:03

I do feel like, kind of that's also like an offshoot of your sort of max effort era in a sense of, like because you're kinda doing a lot of things. And I feel like I know when I get doing a lot of things, then you kinda get that crushing sensation start creeping in that, like, well, I have this thing I started that I didn't finish and this thing that I should do something with. And now you have a huge, long list of things you wanna do something with, and then you're just overwhelmed. And you're like, well,

Aaron

00:45:03 – 00:45:03

then you're just overwhelmed.

Ian

00:45:03 – 00:45:04

Overwhelmed. Yeah.

Aaron

00:45:04 – 00:45:08

I think when we started this show, you were actively shedding responsibilities.

Ian

00:45:08 – 00:45:12

Right? That's right. Yeah. I have I have shedded a chunk of things. I'm still working.

Ian

00:45:12 – 00:45:25

I've got a couple ideas in this regard, but, more to do. But, yes, I have been shedding, and that's been good. Like, because you just build up these things. So, like, shedding Yeah. Shed anything and then do anything.

Ian

00:45:26 – 00:45:35

The shedding is doing in a sense. So you can, like, when you do anything, you end up with something that you don't want anymore, you gotta take the time

Aaron

00:45:35 – 00:45:35

and get

Ian

00:45:35 – 00:45:48

rid of it, and then, yeah, shut it. But but, yeah, I I thought it was a great article and just, like, totally great. It's just, like, just getting in there. You're always surprised at how much you can do too. It's like, oh, I just did a couple hours here and, like Yeah.

Ian

00:45:48 – 00:45:57

I got way farther than I thought I was gonna get or better than I thought it was gonna be or, you know, all those kind of things. So people seem to like it. What's the feedback, man?

Aaron

00:45:58 – 00:46:12

Feedback has been great. I was I was, very, very pleased by the feedback. Yeah. A lot of people a lot of people really liked it. Some people that I, like, look up to really liked it, which was a lot of fun.

Aaron

00:46:12 – 00:46:17

Like, Ben Orenstein really liked it. Jason Cohen really liked it. The God of, you know, the Godfather.

Ian

00:46:17 – 00:46:18

He's the real

Aaron

00:46:18 – 00:46:20

I know. He's the real Godfather.

Ian

00:46:20 – 00:46:22

The the bootstrapping sass godfather.

Aaron

00:46:23 – 00:46:30

Yeah. And so that's fun. You know, it's always fun to get good feedback from people that you like. Yeah. And it makes me feel good.

Aaron

00:46:30 – 00:46:39

I feel like I enjoy writing. I happen to think that I'm good at it. And it's nice when I put something out there and people are like, Yeah, this is really good. It's like, oh, cool. So

Ian

00:46:39 – 00:46:51

So that's kinda interesting because, like so how do you then integrate like, you tried to integrate chat gbt, and it didn't work.

Aaron

00:46:51 – 00:46:51

But what

Ian

00:46:51 – 00:47:13

do you think about that? Because, like so your kinda unique voice, is what you like and think you're good at. But then, obviously, there's the benefits of, like, if I could offload some of this, then, obviously, I can maybe do more or do any versus doing none. So I guess, are you now off are you are you dissuaded on chat gbt? Are you feeling like you just gotta dial it in more?

Ian

00:47:13 – 00:47:15

Like, what do you think about

Aaron

00:47:15 – 00:47:43

all that? So the way that I thought about it after I saw the output come back, first, I was disappointed because I was like, man, this is generic. Yeah. But the way the way that I think about it now is it's like someone else wrote a version of the idea. And while I won't use someone else's version of the idea, it was helpful for me to look at it and read it and see, like, did anything that chat gbt wrote evoke any emotion?

Aaron

00:47:43 – 00:48:06

Did they have any good turns of phrase that I liked? Or did they have, you know, I think part of my prompt is like, don't introduce new ideas. Like, I really want you to take this transcript and clean it up into, like, more of a narrative, like, a a post. Yeah. But as I'm reading the one that comes back, does it spark any new ideas in me?

Aaron

00:48:06 – 00:48:19

And so I think in terms of, like, offloading, the bulk of the offloading was me recording it via voice and transcribing it. That was, like, a huge amount of, a head start.

Ian

00:48:19 – 00:48:20

Because when

Aaron

00:48:20 – 00:48:37

you sit down when you sit down and stare at the blank page, it's really intimidating. But when you record via voice, you can only move forward. Like, you can't go back and say, like, actually, I don't like the way that I worded that. You just got to plow through it. And so then you sit down with a first draft that's kind of crappy.

Aaron

00:48:38 – 00:49:05

And you sit down with a, you know, first and a half draft from someone else's point of view, chat GBT, and then you're like, great. I'm gonna take all these raw materials, and I'm going to mold them into what I want to say. And I think the other thing that I've really found interesting this time was the, the benefit of, like, letting it stew because I like, you know, I dictated this thing. And then I'm like, I'm done with it. But it's like still in the background.

Aaron

00:49:05 – 00:49:06

And I'm like, Yeah,

Ian

00:49:07 – 00:49:08

I thought I could, you know, this is

Aaron

00:49:08 – 00:49:30

another good point or like, actually, this is also the solution for when I'm feeling underwhelmed. And I don't know what to do. And like, so having distance between, you know, writing it the first time and then like editing and refining it, I think was really helpful. So I'll still use it. I just I do wish the chat gbt could adopt my voice a little bit more, but I don't know.

Ian

00:49:30 – 00:49:35

Do you tell us to write like Aaron Francis? Because it's probably trained on you a little bit.

Aaron

00:49:35 – 00:49:57

I have so what I did was I took, all of the text from 1 or 2 of the articles that I felt like were most me, And I fed it in and said, analyze this for, like, voice tone and style or something. And so I'm telling chat gbt, what do you think the voice tone and style is?

Ian

00:49:57 – 00:49:57

Right.

Aaron

00:49:57 – 00:50:14

And then I take that, and I put that back into the prompts for the next one that says, use this voice tone and style. And so I'm like, I'm trying to speak your language, man. Like, just write write like this thing that you told me. So I, I'm I don't know. I I don't know.

Aaron

00:50:14 – 00:50:17

I would have to ask it if it knows who I am. I don't I would doubt it.

Ian

00:50:17 – 00:50:21

No. No. I would guarantee you it knows. Yeah. I would I would try just that because you've

Aaron

00:50:21 – 00:50:22

written nothing

Ian

00:50:22 – 00:50:42

and your name's been out there enough that, like, it knows I mean, knows me and I've written less than you for sure. And it's Interesting. Pretty good analysis that it had, like, I tried to one of the first things when it first came out even, I was like, you know, who has such a unique style of a certain type of writing is Taylor. Cause like, specifically around naming things.

Aaron

00:50:42 – 00:50:43

Uh-huh.

Ian

00:50:43 – 00:50:56

And so I was like, oh, you like name name a product, whatever. I gave it to some, like, sample thing, you know, like Taylor Atwell would. And it's like, oh, Taylor Atwell is known for his, like, succinct and blah blah blah stuff. And I was like, man, that's like him. That's like exact like, it's like perfect.

Aaron

00:50:56 – 00:50:57

The notes. That was

Ian

00:50:57 – 00:50:59

actually really cool. So, yeah, I think you'd be surprised. Do you wanna try this? What should I ask you? Who is it?

Ian

00:50:59 – 00:51:07

Who is a lot. Who is Aaron Francis? Yeah. You might you're I don't know if you're I

Aaron

00:51:07 – 00:51:08

ask myself this every day.

Ian

00:51:09 – 00:51:09

But,

Aaron

00:51:10 – 00:51:12

who is Aaron Francis?

Ian

00:51:13 – 00:51:14

The problem is there's a guy

Aaron

00:51:14 – 00:51:15

on Love Island named Aaron Francis.

Ian

00:51:15 – 00:51:22

That's what I mean. So you might have to give it more of, like, you know, PHP developer Aaron Francis or, like, whatever. I don't know. Oh, you're Yeah.

Aaron

00:51:22 – 00:51:23

Hell, yeah.

Ian

00:51:23 – 00:51:24

Did it? Alright.

Aaron

00:51:25 – 00:51:26

Look at this.

Ian

00:51:26 – 00:51:30

God, I feel like Give it to us. World. Give it to us. This is awesome. I keep this to myself.

Aaron

00:51:30 – 00:51:43

Alright. Who is Aaron Francis? The ultimate question. Multiple individuals known as Aaron Francis, each with a distinct profession and background. Depending on the context, here are the primary figures named Aaron Francis.

Aaron

00:51:43 – 00:51:47

Number 1, Aaron Francis, the software developer and content creator.

Ian

00:51:47 – 00:51:48

1. No.

Aaron

00:51:50 – 00:51:52

Suck it, Aaron Francis. I'm number

Ian

00:51:52 – 00:51:52

Aaron

00:51:53 – 00:52:11

Okay. He identifies as a software developer, content creator with focus on educational content related to web development, specifically Laravel. Yes. Strong presence on YouTube where he makes videos, shares insights on software development. He has been involved with the PlanetScale's developer educator platform for MySQL.

Aaron

00:52:12 – 00:52:21

His professional journey also includes an interesting transition from being a CPA and tax accountant to embracing software development and creation. No. No. No. No.

Aaron

00:52:21 – 00:52:21

What

Ian

00:52:22 – 00:52:25

about me. Alright. That's amazing. Follow-up. Ask it about your writing style.

Ian

00:52:25 – 00:52:29

What's, you know, Aaron Francis, the software developer's writing style or whatever?

Aaron

00:52:29 – 00:52:35

Also, can we just can we just pour one out for Aaron Francis, professional Australian rules footballer and Aaron

Ian

00:52:35 – 00:52:36

Francis, the

Aaron

00:52:36 – 00:52:45

reality TV personality? Man, if you wanna if you wanna be number 1, you can't be on TV. You gotta create content about Laravel. Alright. What do I say?

Aaron

00:52:45 – 00:52:56

So I say, what do you know about the writing style of Aaron Francis to software developer and content creator? It's like a cool title. I love that.

Ian

00:52:56 – 00:52:58

Yeah. That is good. Alright.

Aaron

00:53:03 – 00:53:05

Man, this is weirding me out.

Ian

00:53:06 – 00:53:08

See, I told you I would know you.

Aaron

00:53:08 – 00:53:22

That's great. I gotta I gotta reassess, like, my internal view of myself. I was like, there's no way there's anyone would ever know me. Here we go. As he's known for writing style that mirrors his professional ethos, approachable, informative, and engaging.

Aaron

00:53:23 – 00:53:32

He values sincerity and optimism, which is evident in the way he communicates technical, complex manners in a way that's easy to understand and relatable. Nice.

Ian

00:53:33 – 00:53:35

I mean, I thought it was amazing.

Aaron

00:53:35 – 00:53:56

It sounds amazing. Here's a closer look at what my based on the principles he holds dear. I do hold these principles dear, and it gives me, like, a wall of text. But the the bullet points are personable and conversational, optimistic and supportive, educational yet accessible, actionable and practical and motivational.

Ian

00:53:57 – 00:54:00

I think that is the real Aaron Francis. Awesome. Freaking great. Now you're gonna have to go maybe after the show and feed

Aaron

00:54:00 – 00:54:02

your notes into this and

Ian

00:54:02 – 00:54:12

just tell it to write it like Aaron Francis and see what it does when it does into this and just tell it to write it like Aaron Francis and see what it does with that. That's gonna be very fascinating.

Aaron

00:54:12 – 00:54:14

Yeah. This is free up with that. Rules.

Ian

00:54:15 – 00:54:16

Oh, yeah. See that?

Aaron

00:54:16 – 00:54:31

Look at this. Weather weather listen, dear dear listener. Whether you're a budding software developer or simply curious about technology, His approachable style ensures that you'll find value and encouragement in his work. That's amazing.

Ian

00:54:33 – 00:54:41

I mean, this is just a whole another level of interesting stuff of, like like, the benefits of your get out there mentality. Right?

Aaron

00:54:41 – 00:54:42

Totally. One of the

Ian

00:54:42 – 00:54:54

benefits of those of us who've gotten out there a little bit is like, we are inside the machine now and that has potential benefits. Like, now, obviously, there's people suing people because they don't wanna be in the machine without permission, blah blah. Personally, I like being in the machine. Like, but Yeah.

Aaron

00:54:54 – 00:54:56

Who cares? You're not gonna win.

Ian

00:54:56 – 00:54:56

Care about

Aaron

00:54:56 – 00:54:57

that. It.

Ian

00:54:57 – 00:55:00

Yeah. I'm not gonna make I don't care about the $3 you're gonna pay me for my

Aaron

00:55:00 – 00:55:00

Yeah.

Ian

00:55:00 – 00:55:11

20 year old blog post. Like, I'm in there. Now I could say write this like Ian Lansman, and it actually does come out, like, sort of like something I would write. So I think that's, kinda useful. Come on.

Ian

00:55:11 – 00:55:12

Your mind is blown. I love this.

Aaron

00:55:12 – 00:55:16

My mind my mind is actually blown. This is this is wild.

Ian

00:55:17 – 00:55:21

Yeah. You're gonna be able to utilize this. This is gonna be good for you.

Aaron

00:55:22 – 00:55:22

Cool.

Ian

00:55:23 – 00:55:32

Even have an outline and stuff. Look at this. Even have it writing the whole thing. I feel like you could be like, Hey, take these notes and like create an outline of an article. Yeah.

Ian

00:55:32 – 00:55:50

You know? Like, it might sometimes I feel like it is better with when you step it through things than just, like, we just give it the raw materials. It comes out, like, not always the best. But then if you, like, guide it down the path, it's a little better. So you could be, like, outline it like Aaron Francis would with, you know, some of the stuff and and write up the article based on the outline or whatever.

Ian

00:55:51 – 00:55:51

Yeah.

Aaron

00:55:51 – 00:56:00

Cool. My my point of view on it is I'm trying to get it to do I don't really want it to do, like, idea generation. You know?

Ian

00:56:00 – 00:56:01

Right.

Aaron

00:56:01 – 00:56:19

And so, like, you know, generate the outline is great because then I can fill it in or take this transcript and turn clean it up is great because it, like, uses my ideas. But I don't ever wanna be in a spot where I'm like, hey. Write me an article about, you know, the benefits of waking up early. And I read it, and I'm like, sure, whatever.

Ian

00:56:20 – 00:56:21

Good enough. Throw it out there.

Aaron

00:56:21 – 00:56:45

Good enough. So I don't know. I'm that's where I'm trying to use, you know, I'm trying to get better about using it in general because I feel like I need to I need I need the leverage. Everyone else is gonna have the leverage, and I need to have the leverage as well. And so this is one of those this is one of those experiments to to use it in a way that I find is congruent with what I want to do in life.

Aaron

00:56:45 – 00:56:45

You know?

Ian

00:56:46 – 00:57:02

Yeah. Well, this is what also one of the things where I think, this actually changed my thinking on a number of things, that I don't so I wanna get into yet totally. But, I always do this on, this is my whole thing. No. It's, like, 5 years from now, they'll be like, he's still dropping hints of stuff, but Uh-huh.

Ian

00:57:03 – 00:57:13

But, like, Google, whatever. They've had some weird stuff with the Gemini. Yeah. Stuff. But one of the cool things is they're working on the large context windows of, like, a million or 10,000,000 tokens.

Ian

00:57:13 – 00:57:48

And I think that's gonna be really cool is even for stuff like this, because now you can just give it everything you've ever wrote and you can be like, yes. Okay, here's everything I ever wrote and what, you know, do get the tone off that rather than just like 2 articles, whatever. I mean, it's somebody like you is leaving a little different because it's already got everything you've ever written and is trained on it already deeper, which is even better than when you just shove it in the prompt. But still, you can, like, give it a bunch more information about whatever you're trying to do, which I think is gonna make it a lot better versus now we're kind of a little more limited in how much you can shove in there in one go. But, yeah.

Ian

00:57:48 – 00:57:56

So I think that changes a lot in a lot of actually to be able to use the big context window and not have to, slice and dice it up so much.

Aaron

00:57:56 – 00:57:58

Try to string it all together yourself.

Ian

00:57:58 – 00:58:01

Yeah. Yeah. So Yeah.

Aaron

00:58:01 – 00:58:19

That's gonna be really interesting for, I think, people that are these, like, obsessive second brainers where they have just, like, huge digital archives that they can then literally dump the entire thing in and be like, hey. So tell me what my blind spots are. I'll be like, well, you certainly write a lot about this and, like,

Ian

00:58:19 – 00:58:20

how that's

Aaron

00:58:20 – 00:58:21

that would be really cool.

Ian

00:58:22 – 00:58:45

What what do you think about, I don't know. What do you think about AI tools in general? Like, I feel like the you know, stuff's starting to integrate, like Notion. Notion had it initially for, like, helping you write, and then now it's moved to, I think, a better position of, like, more second brain ish. Like, hey, let's, like, ask yourself questions about whatever you want, about the stuff you've written inside Notion, which I think make more sense.

Ian

00:58:45 – 00:58:59

Yeah. But I've also never actually used it. So, like, there, I feel like there is this layer of like, AI is just gonna be injected into everything for us. But like in reality, are we gonna use it as much as people want us to use it? I don't know.

Ian

00:58:59 – 00:58:59

Maybe.

Aaron

00:59:00 – 00:59:05

I think the best well, first of all, Notion's the worst. Just wanna get that out there.

Ian

00:59:05 – 00:59:09

What do you think, like, what's your Notion you're in Trello? Or what do you do with Notion like things?

Aaron

00:59:11 – 00:59:13

Obsidian is where I keep, like, notes and stuff.

Ian

00:59:13 – 00:59:17

Obsidian. Okay. Well, it's just like an open source Notion or whatever, basically. There's a wiki

Aaron

00:59:18 – 00:59:20

Don't don't don't talk down to Obsidian like that.

Ian

00:59:20 – 00:59:26

I know everybody's Snyder is a cult cult following. I I actually didn't know about it

Aaron

00:59:26 – 00:59:26

till, like,

Ian

00:59:26 – 00:59:27

2 months ago. Yeah.

Aaron

00:59:27 – 00:59:36

It's good. It's got markdown. It's got keyboard shortcuts. It's fine. I just don't like, this whole second brain thing, I'm like, I don't wanna do that.

Aaron

00:59:36 – 00:59:38

I wanna forget stuff. Forgetting stuff is a feature.

Ian

00:59:38 – 00:59:42

I'd like to do the second brain, but I don't wanna have to build it. You have

Aaron

00:59:42 – 00:59:44

to build it, and you have to maintain it, and you have to

Ian

00:59:44 – 00:59:46

spend all your time worried about, like, oh, my tags and

Aaron

00:59:46 – 00:59:53

my folders and my formulas. And I gotta, like Right. I gotta, like, write down my mood every day and what I ate for lunch.

Ian

00:59:53 – 00:59:53

I'm like,

Aaron

00:59:53 – 00:59:55

I don't why? What am I getting out of that?

Ian

00:59:56 – 00:59:58

Yeah. I don't want any of that part. That part's all terrible.

Aaron

00:59:59 – 01:00:08

No. It's all terrible. It's all terrible. If you have a second brain, that's great for you. So I think the the best AI stuff is gonna be invisible.

Aaron

01:00:08 – 01:00:38

I think this whole life, let's why don't you chat with AI about your notes? I'm like, no. You tell me. You tell me what what I should be thinking about or what's valuable or, like, maybe in certain cases, asking my notes, like, is anything I can come up with a good example is is interesting. But I think in most cases, I just want somebody with a feature brain or a product brain to be thinking, like, what's the best use of AI here?

Aaron

01:00:38 – 01:00:58

We don't even have to call it AI. Just give me, like, you know, sidebar suggestions that like blows me away with how relevant it is. That's the kind of stuff that I'm hoping for in the future. And I think in terms of, like, generation, I've already hit on it. I want it to do certain hard work for me, but not generate new ideas most of the time unless I'm in, like, a brainstorming phase.

Ian

01:00:58 – 01:01:03

Right. Yeah. I agree. I I think, like, not not everything has to be called AI. It's definitely a big thing.

Ian

01:01:03 – 01:01:04

Like, some things that

Aaron

01:01:04 – 01:01:04

make sense.

Ian

01:01:04 – 01:01:17

If the AI is doing a lot of heavy lifting for part of it, it makes sense. But if it's like, but I do feel like a lot of the best features will be stuff where it's not like that. And it's like, like all the stuff we just said about it sucks to build tags for everything. Mhmm. Like, let the AI figure out what tags

Aaron

01:01:17 – 01:01:17

Yeah.

Ian

01:01:17 – 01:01:31

That something should have, and you don't even think about tagging it. It just tags it, and that's great. And most of the time, it just does a good enough job, and you who even cares if it hallucinates 1 weird tag once in a while? It doesn't matter, Yeah. Because most of the time, it does a good job.

Ian

01:01:31 – 01:01:36

Like, that would be really cool, and take some burden off you and all that kind of stuff. So

Aaron

01:01:36 – 01:01:48

perfect Perfect example. Google Photos. Google Photos is the perfect example of seamless AI because I can search. Yeah. I can search for, like my brother's name is Jonathan.

Aaron

01:01:48 – 01:01:56

I can search for Jonathan on the beach 2016, and it'll, like, it'll find pictures of my brother on the beach in 2016. I'm like,

Ian

01:01:56 – 01:01:57

we were there at this time,

Aaron

01:01:57 – 01:02:08

and it just, like, it just does it. And that's what I'm looking for. I don't want to categorize photos. I want to say Christmas 2001, and it pulls up all of the pictures from Christmas 2001.

Ian

01:02:08 – 01:02:09

Yeah.

Aaron

01:02:09 – 01:02:09

That's perfect.

Ian

01:02:10 – 01:02:13

That is crazy how long Google's had that, you know, too. It's like

Aaron

01:02:14 – 01:02:14

Yes. I know.

Ian

01:02:14 – 01:02:26

All this AI stuff seems new, but it's really, like, the machine learning version of AI has been around now for, like, 10 years, and they've been tagging people and Mhmm. Figuring out that this is a cat or a dog or whatever for the whole time. The way that

Aaron

01:02:26 – 01:02:31

they can figure out which baby is which, I'm like, I can barely understand which baby is which.

Ian

01:02:32 – 01:02:36

Yep. Yep. That is crazy. How can you recognize the faces and everything? So, yeah.

Ian

01:02:37 – 01:02:46

Yeah. I do like Google photos for that. It's so much better than the apple stuff, but I'm otherwise in the Apple ecosystem. I know. So I used to, like, sync it over to the Google Photos, but then that's, like, a pain in the ass.

Ian

01:02:46 – 01:02:47

So I don't bother

Aaron

01:02:47 – 01:03:02

We use Jennifer and I use Google Photos for our entire family library, and then we will, download, you know, the top 0.1% and put them on the shared photo stream for, like, grandparents and cousins and stuff.

Ian

01:03:02 – 01:03:02

Yeah. Yeah.

Aaron

01:03:02 – 01:03:07

That's the only that's the only problem is everyone's on the Apple shared photo stream.

Ian

01:03:07 – 01:03:09

Right. Keeps you in the ecosystem.

Aaron

01:03:09 – 01:03:10

It does.

Ian

01:03:10 – 01:03:17

It works. You know what I just got, for myself? I'm gonna get one. I don't know what it's called now. Of course.

Ian

01:03:17 – 01:03:26

I'm gonna let me go look back at it quick. You know, years years ago, I tried one of those digital picture frames and it was, oh

Aaron

01:03:26 – 01:03:28

yeah, trash obviously. Yeah.

Ian

01:03:28 – 01:03:40

But now they're not trash. I have one and it's not trash. So now I'm going to get one like for my parents and then you could just sync stuff to it. And it's just like the picture frame just updates with like new pictures of the grandkids and stuff like that. What's the

Aaron

01:03:40 – 01:03:40

screen like?

Ian

01:03:41 – 01:03:54

It's not bad. It's, this is the one I have is a 10 inch and then they I think just came out pretty recently with, a 15 inch. 15 inch? Yeah. This one's called the, the Aurora, a u r a or aura.

Ian

01:03:55 – 01:03:55

Carver.

Aaron

01:03:55 – 01:03:57

A u r a.

Ian

01:03:57 – 01:04:03

Yeah. It's on Amazon, but it's like a pretty slick package. It was easy to set up. It was not complicated at all. It's like an app.

Ian

01:04:03 – 01:04:14

You load photos into it. It can, you can email photos into it. I think there's like some automated stuff, whatever. I just pre put in like 50 or 60 photos from like my top favorite ones. And, it worked awesome.

Ian

01:04:14 – 01:04:26

It's like $150, the 15 inch ones, you know, like, 300, but yeah, it's like pretty low profile. Like we have it on the mantle. If I had the 15 inch one, I'd probably think about that more as like a wall thing. I guess.

Aaron

01:04:26 – 01:04:27

15 inches.

Ian

01:04:27 – 01:04:33

Yeah. But, maybe they have a 7 inch 2. I'm not sure. But, a 10 inch. It's awesome.

Ian

01:04:33 – 01:04:43

Like, it's just rotating photos and, like, there's different settings, and it works, and it's great. Like, the resolution's, like, pretty solid, so it doesn't look all grainy and funky. And yeah. So Yeah.

Aaron

01:04:43 – 01:04:44

This looks pretty good.

Ian

01:04:44 – 01:04:46

It's pretty good for, like, the

Aaron

01:04:46 – 01:04:48

And that 15 inches big, isn't it?

Ian

01:04:48 – 01:05:02

It is. Yeah. And what's cool too, is it kind of know that you might want to like do this as a gift. So like they have a whole setup for that where like you can receive it, load it all up with stuff and then, like, give it to somebody else. And it caused some awareness of that.

Ian

01:05:02 – 01:05:10

You've done that and whatever. I've I haven't actually gone through that process with the one I wanna give my parents yet. But, so, yeah, pretty cool.

Aaron

01:05:10 – 01:05:20

Anti glare matte screen matte finish screen. That's what I was looking for. Yep. Because the old ones the old ones were bad. It was very clearly LCD,

Ian

01:05:20 – 01:05:21

like Right.

Aaron

01:05:21 – 01:05:24

Super bright reflective screen.

Ian

01:05:25 – 01:05:36

Yeah. No. It's it's pretty good. I mean, obviously, it's still, like, a backlit photo as compared to, like, the one on your wall that's not quite like that. But, but otherwise, it looks really good.

Ian

01:05:36 – 01:05:38

I I I like it.

Aaron

01:05:38 – 01:05:41

Alright. Cool. I like it.

Ian

01:05:41 – 01:05:48

Yeah. There you go. Product recommendation. Alright. I don't know.

Ian

01:05:48 – 01:05:48

Anything else?

Aaron

01:05:50 – 01:05:51

No. I don't think we're

Ian

01:05:51 – 01:05:57

all ground. We managed to a lot of ground. Technical, but, we got a few little chat gbt technical things in. And,

Aaron

01:05:57 – 01:06:09

we mentioned we mentioned it briefly, but Taylor's back on the sauce. He he quit Coke 0 for a week and tweeted today the, like, the 5 things I learned about quitting. He's like, life sucks without Coke.

Ian

01:06:12 – 01:06:15

Yeah. So he's a Coke hero, man. So now I understand the difference, though.

Aaron

01:06:15 – 01:06:15

Yeah.

Ian

01:06:16 – 01:06:27

If I was going to get into that game, I would definitely be I would just go probably real Coke. But if I didn't, for some reason, wanna go real Coke, I would definitely do Coke 0. I would not die. But yeah. You know, the Coke 0.

Ian

01:06:27 – 01:06:31

You gotta have what you gotta have. You gotta have some vices. Right? Everybody's gotta have a few vices.

Aaron

01:06:32 – 01:06:35

Speaking of vices, have we talked about this zen stuff?

Ian

01:06:37 – 01:06:38

I don't know what you're talking about. So I don't know.

Aaron

01:06:39 – 01:06:45

Z y n. Maybe it's z y n n. No. Just z y n. Nicotine pouches.

Ian

01:06:47 – 01:06:48

Okay. I do not know about

Aaron

01:06:48 – 01:06:49

these. Nicotine?

Ian

01:06:49 – 01:06:53

Are you a nicotine guy? Have you ever smoked

Aaron

01:06:53 – 01:06:54

or done anything? No.

Ian

01:06:55 – 01:06:56

Maybe this is the time.

Aaron

01:06:56 – 01:06:58

Yeah. Maybe this is the time.

Ian

01:06:58 – 01:07:03

I think I mean, this website is all time awesome. I absolutely love this website.

Aaron

01:07:04 – 01:07:08

Are you getting the full product contains nicotine warning?

Ian

01:07:08 – 01:07:10

Like, there's nothing. It's just like a login screen, and

Aaron

01:07:10 – 01:07:12

it's login and f t a. Yeah.

Ian

01:07:12 – 01:07:15

It's amazing. I can't even yeah.

Aaron

01:07:15 – 01:07:18

I'm not gonna get past it because I'm not gonna register for

Ian

01:07:18 – 01:07:25

Well, no. There is a sidebar menu, but I don't think it talks about the products anywhere. It's, like, the reward pro oh, no. I guess you can't I'm

Aaron

01:07:25 – 01:07:29

only getting logged in. Everything I click, I have to log in.

Ian

01:07:29 – 01:07:31

I guess they want only be 21.

Aaron

01:07:31 – 01:07:32

Yeah.

Ian

01:07:33 – 01:07:36

Where did you you just saw this around, I take it? This is, like, a thing? Yeah.

Aaron

01:07:36 – 01:07:39

I just saw it around. Cool kids on Twitter using Zen.

Ian

01:07:40 – 01:07:45

Who's smoking? Who's using nicotine? I thought we were done. I thought a place, like, on the v

Aaron

01:07:45 – 01:07:46

or whatever.

Ian

01:07:46 – 01:07:54

It's different. I let me just tell you. A three letter dot com. I mean, right there, I'm impressed already. Like, this makes me wanna smoke.

Ian

01:07:54 – 01:07:55

Like, get these pouches.

Aaron

01:07:55 – 01:07:57

It's not smoke. It's a pouch.

Ian

01:07:57 – 01:08:07

I could just slap it on and I think it's gonna hop you up. I don't think you should get this. I think when you get, you know, nicotine, if you're not used to it, it's gonna have a caffeination type effect on you. I believe.

Aaron

01:08:07 – 01:08:09

I know. Doesn't that sound awesome?

Ian

01:08:09 – 01:08:26

Just go all in. Don't you wanna be a guy just like you're like, imagine you're in the seventies. You're just going all in on all the bices. You're just gonna go out on like drinking. You're just gonna be smoking, drinking, partying, riding the hog around the long straight highways of Texas.

Ian

01:08:27 – 01:08:29

That's what you're gonna be doing. You're gonna have a leather jacket,

Aaron

01:08:30 – 01:08:33

Man, smoking's cool.

Ian

01:08:33 – 01:08:34

If I could

Aaron

01:08:34 – 01:08:42

have, like, a leather if I could have, like, a leather jacket Woah. And a freaking cigarette hanging out, I would be the king of cool.

Ian

01:08:42 – 01:08:45

You're James Dean. We already decided that. Dean.

Aaron

01:08:46 – 01:08:49

No. I can't smoke. Smoking's terrible for you.

Ian

01:08:49 – 01:08:54

Man, I don't you love this website? This website is fabulous. This huge warning at the top. It's just like

Aaron

01:08:54 – 01:08:55

pass. I'm yeah.

Ian

01:08:55 – 01:08:55

I'm not So good.

Aaron

01:08:55 – 01:08:57

I'm on Google Images now.

Ian

01:08:57 – 01:09:04

It's perfect. It's this might be the perfect website. It's so good. I just love this website. This is what a website's supposed to be.

Ian

01:09:04 – 01:09:10

You know what? There's nothing fancy. It's a huge ass banner at the top that says this will kill you and log in to

Aaron

01:09:10 – 01:09:16

us. In here. And you know you know, they built this log in. They didn't outsource this to some to some

Ian

01:09:16 – 01:09:17

Oh, no.

Aaron

01:09:17 – 01:09:23

VC back. Fancy. Freaking. Yeah. Bcrypt the passwords and check it against the database.

Aaron

01:09:23 – 01:09:28

What's the problem, Ian, with nicotine? Tell me why nicotine's bad.

Ian

01:09:29 – 01:09:35

Well, I mean, I think it's addictive, and it's bad for you. Like, I don't know. I've used vodka. I think it's worse because it's, like

Aaron

01:09:35 – 01:09:36

Agree.

Ian

01:09:36 – 01:09:37

Actually getting into your lungs.

Aaron

01:09:38 – 01:09:39

And all the other stuff.

Ian

01:09:39 – 01:09:41

You got here? Yeah.

Aaron

01:09:41 – 01:09:43

Yeah. Yeah. Listen to us for sure. This is medical advice.

Ian

01:09:44 – 01:09:59

Know if the nicotine in and of it itself, if you're just injecting it into your blood, through your skin is actually bad for you or if it's only in smoke form. I kind of think it might at least it's I'm pretty sure it's definitely worse for you in smoke form. So I guess the upgrade the bad

Aaron

01:09:59 – 01:10:00

part. Right?

Ian

01:10:00 – 01:10:07

Right. And I think just And, like, the tar, the hot stuff. Smoke. Yeah. Tars and stuff getting inside your lungs is bad.

Ian

01:10:07 – 01:10:15

So if you do it this way, it's probably better, I guess. But see, to me, I don't know. I don't know if you do you have you known a lot of smokers in your life?

Aaron

01:10:15 – 01:10:17

No. No. Not even Okay. Not even hardly any.

Ian

01:10:17 – 01:10:35

Okay. So I've known a lot of smokers. And, the thing about smoking is like the nicotine is part of it, but like a huge part of it is like the social and physical aspects to it. Like you're holding this thing, you're inhaling this thing. You're bumming cigarettes off people outside of a building.

Ian

01:10:35 – 01:10:48

You're like, it's there is a whole, like, cultural aspect to it that is part of, like, the addiction and the appeal. Mhmm. That, like, hey. I just slapped this patch on me. I don't think it's going to satisfy.

Ian

01:10:50 – 01:11:01

Obviously, like, you're trying to if you're just using this to get off of smoking, that's, like, a different sort of thing, and you're trying to at least get through the chemical part of the addiction. But I don't know. I'm not gonna be the most

Aaron

01:11:01 – 01:11:02

popping us in.

Ian

01:11:02 – 01:11:13

Yeah. Well, yeah. Exactly. Like, you're not gonna be like, hey. Let me bum bum a cigarette off you, and let's sit outside this building and smoke and chat and make a single serving friend, because I I got a cigarette off.

Ian

01:11:13 – 01:11:14

Yeah. That was a whole

Aaron

01:11:14 – 01:11:15

thing. Interesting.

Ian

01:11:15 – 01:11:16

I saw it a million times.

Aaron

01:11:17 – 01:11:18

That's how

Ian

01:11:18 – 01:11:19

it was in the old days.

Aaron

01:11:20 – 01:11:26

Yeah. It sounds like the word on the street to me. Alright. So we'll hold off. We'll hold off.

Aaron

01:11:26 – 01:11:28

I won't become a nicotine guy.

Ian

01:11:28 – 01:11:37

You might wanna wait till you get other things settled down a little and then start the nicotine. I just, you know Are you a cigar guy? Kinda bad. Cigar? I like a cigar.

Aaron

01:11:37 – 01:11:38

Cigars are gross.

Ian

01:11:38 – 01:11:42

Oh, no. Cigar is good. Cigar with a scotch? Living, man.

Aaron

01:11:42 – 01:11:47

Scotch is gross. Scotch gross. Tastes like a campfire.

Ian

01:11:48 – 01:11:51

Well, if you get bad scotch, that's true. But if you get good

Aaron

01:11:51 – 01:11:55

scotch All Scotch all scotch and all mezcal tastes like a charred end of a stick.

Ian

01:11:55 – 01:11:59

Now you get the Macallan goes that it's so sweet and delicious.

Aaron

01:11:59 – 01:12:00

Petey. It's too petey. No.

Ian

01:12:00 – 01:12:01

That's so good.

Aaron

01:12:01 – 01:12:01

I don't want petey.

Ian

01:12:01 – 01:12:03

Want the McAllen. That's great.

Aaron

01:12:03 – 01:12:16

And when I go when I go to a fan when I go to a fancy cocktail bar and they're like, we can make you a smoky old fashioned. I'm like, don't. I don't want that. Don't put my old fashioned in a little container and then smoke it and charge me an extra $4 for it. I don't want that.

Ian

01:12:16 – 01:12:29

I'm not a big fan of smoke, flavor and things. I tend to not like the PD smoky, scotches. But, I like the Glenlivet. It's okay. But the ones that are heavier or the ones that are more, like, chemically, I don't really care for.

Ian

01:12:29 – 01:12:32

But the Macallan is just so sweet. It's not even PB at all.

Aaron

01:12:32 – 01:12:37

You can bring some to Laricon and I'll try it, but I'm not, I'm not guaranteeing anything.

Ian

01:12:37 – 01:12:38

That's what we'll do.

Aaron

01:12:38 – 01:12:38

I wish I

Ian

01:12:38 – 01:12:46

had started up pre COVID. The, the going for like the good ones were like $200 bottle, 2.50. Now it's, like, 500. Like, no.

Aaron

01:12:46 – 01:12:48

Oh, okay. Don't bring it to Lyricon. I don't wanna

Ian

01:12:49 – 01:12:54

We'll we'll have we'll have some. I'll bring you a bottle. Okay. We'll sit and get drunk on the Macau. It'll be great.

Aaron

01:12:55 – 01:12:58

And we'll we'll throw in some zens and walk around and make some friends.

Ian

01:12:59 – 01:13:07

Here's your patch. We'll get we'll get zins. We'll get zins with our logo printed on them, and we could just be in denial.

Aaron

01:13:08 – 01:13:20

Can you imagine walking up to, like, an awesome group of smokers who are just, like, as cool as ever and be like, in a way, I am also smoking because I have a zen, So we're the same. Oh, this

Ian

01:13:20 – 01:13:23

is weird. They're totally taking over. It's so funny.

Aaron

01:13:24 – 01:13:26

Oh, man. Ian, read us out.

Ian

01:13:26 – 01:13:29

Oh, man. Oh, no. Wait. What's going on here? Things are happening.

Ian

01:13:30 – 01:13:39

Alright. I say we'll drop it there. Let's see. Get my little list of, things to read through. Alright.

Ian

01:13:39 – 01:13:53

Follow us on mostlytechnical.com, on the Twitter at mostly tech pod, and, email us at mostlytechnicalpodcast@gmail, and we will probably read it and, talk about it on the show. Thanks, everybody. Have a good week.

Aaron

01:13:53 – 01:13:54

See you.

Ian

01:13:54 – 01:13:56

See you.

Careful, Careful!

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