Explore vs. Exploit

March 11, 2025

Ian and Aaron talk about scheduling your day, Aaron's newsletter, setting big goals, and a whole more. Sponsored by: Bento https://bentonow.com/ Stream https://getstream.io/chat/?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=&utm_campaign=mostlytechnical Laravel Cloud https://cloud.laravel.com/ PHP Tek 2025 https://phptek.io/ Interested in sponsoring Mostly Technical? Head to https://mostlytechnical.com/sponsor to learn more. 00:00 Small Meals Guy 05:44 The Schedule 19:55 Lifetime Goals 28:56 Aaron's Newsletter 46:27 A Potential AI Winner 52:57 Fully Accommodated
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Transcript

Ian
00:00:00 – 00:00:04
Hello? Good morning. How are we doing? Pretty good. Got a haircut.
Ian
00:00:04 – 00:00:06
Yeah. You're looking fresh.
Aaron
00:00:06 – 00:00:07
Fresh. I have them go a little shorter.
Ian
00:00:08 – 00:00:11
Yeah. You're so hip. You're so young.
Aaron
00:00:11 – 00:00:13
Cut those grays out. Yeah. It looks great.
Ian
00:00:13 – 00:00:19
I I have bad news about the beard. The grays are still coming through just a little bit. Yeah. I don't know how to break it to you.
Aaron
00:00:20 – 00:00:25
My daughter is always like, you gotta shave the beard off and, like, then you'll look so much younger, but Why? The beard is, like, hard
Ian
00:00:25 – 00:00:26
of, you
Aaron
00:00:26 – 00:00:27
know? I know.
Ian
00:00:27 – 00:00:27
Who cares?
Aaron
00:00:27 – 00:00:31
Than anybody. Yeah. Yeah. Fine. I know.
Aaron
00:00:31 – 00:00:42
I don't like you know, the thing is, it's almost I'm almost ready to, like I just want it to be all gray on the beard because, you know, it's, like, blotchy. It's not even, like, really, Like, there's gray in different spots on the different sides.
Ian
00:00:42 – 00:00:56
Just You know, this is this is interesting. Is there a is there a reverse just for men? I mean, I guess that would be just for women, but I'm thinking reverse on a different axis. The different axis is instead of hiding the grays, turning them all gray.
Aaron
00:00:56 – 00:00:58
I guarantee you there is. There has to be.
Ian
00:00:58 – 00:01:00
I guess they just call that hair dye.
Aaron
00:01:00 – 00:01:07
Yeah. Probably hair dye. And maybe even maybe even the just for men has one. Right? Because, like, you're gonna get to a point too where it's like, oh, it's, like, 90% gray.
Aaron
00:01:07 – 00:01:15
You just have, like, a blotch of dark black beard, and I can see people being like, I just wanna, like, cover that blotch.
Ian
00:01:15 – 00:01:21
You know who looks you know who looks great gray? This is a weird start to the show. You know who looks great as a gray man?
Aaron
00:01:21 – 00:01:22
Exactly who you're gonna say.
Ian
00:01:22 – 00:01:24
Who am I gonna say?
Aaron
00:01:24 – 00:01:26
You're gonna say Chris. He's got a Chris.
Ian
00:01:26 – 00:01:30
I wasn't gonna say Chris. Gray? Okay. But Chris has a magical type of sheen.
Aaron
00:01:30 – 00:01:31
He does have a sheen.
Ian
00:01:31 – 00:01:35
I It's almost like ethereal. Yeah. That doesn't count. That doesn't count.
Aaron
00:01:36 – 00:01:36
Number or something.
Ian
00:01:36 – 00:01:41
It is. It's like one of it's one of those cars that when you drive by it, it changes colors, and you're like, what
Aaron
00:01:41 – 00:01:41
is it?
Ian
00:01:41 – 00:01:43
I can't tell what color that is. So Max,
Aaron
00:01:43 – 00:01:48
I'm like, is it is it actually gray, or is it blonde, but it's crazy blonde? I don't know.
Ian
00:01:48 – 00:01:50
It's iridescent. That's the word. Yes. Iridescent. Okay.
Ian
00:01:51 – 00:01:51
Yeah.
Aaron
00:01:51 – 00:01:52
So it's not good.
Ian
00:01:52 – 00:01:54
So congrats, Chris. Steve Carell.
Aaron
00:01:54 – 00:01:56
Okay. Steve Carell. Oh, yeah. Okay. I haven't
Ian
00:01:56 – 00:02:06
looked like Steve Carell. Office. You know, he was he was Michael Scott for so long. They fixed him between seasons one and two. But then, you know, after the office, he he let it go gray.
Ian
00:02:06 – 00:02:10
He It looks great. Looks awesome. I love to look like that when I'm old.
Aaron
00:02:10 – 00:02:13
Oh, he's in shape too. You know, he's still staying there.
Ian
00:02:13 – 00:02:14
See, that's how they get you.
Aaron
00:02:15 – 00:02:17
Yeah. That that covers a whole lot.
Ian
00:02:17 – 00:02:19
It's almost as if that covers a whole lot.
Aaron
00:02:20 – 00:02:26
I'm working on that part. I gotta get a little trimmer. You working out? My gallbladder weight. Nah.
Aaron
00:02:26 – 00:02:32
I'm doing my walking, you know, but I'm I'm trying to watch what I eat. I'm trying to eat less. You know? That's the thing. You gotta eat less.
Aaron
00:02:32 – 00:02:33
That's the only way. Everything else
Ian
00:02:33 – 00:02:34
That's the only thing.
Aaron
00:02:34 – 00:02:36
Everything else is nothing. Right? You gotta eat less. So I
Ian
00:02:36 – 00:02:38
know. But eating is so fun.
Aaron
00:02:38 – 00:02:46
I know. That's so I've in the past, I've successfully messed with my eating a few times. And so, like, just dieting, that's useless. Right? You can't think about that way.
Aaron
00:02:46 – 00:02:53
Or, like, even the idea of eating less, also useless because, like, at the end of the day, you're gonna have a food in front of you, and you're gonna wanna eat it. Right? So, like
Ian
00:02:53 – 00:02:58
Yeah. You watch what you eat. I eat what I watch. Anything nearby, I'm eating it, baby.
Aaron
00:02:58 – 00:03:01
So you gotta have a shtick. Okay? You gotta have rules.
Ian
00:03:01 – 00:03:02
Mhmm.
Aaron
00:03:02 – 00:03:11
So the new rules that I'm working with, right, and the new persona I've developed for this. Right? And this is kinda how I dealt with And this is getting in coffee. Coffee. Yeah.
Aaron
00:03:11 – 00:03:16
So coffee, I became no caffeine guy. Right? I'm no caffeine guy, and that's it. That's who I am.
Ian
00:03:16 – 00:03:18
Because you can't betray an identity.
Aaron
00:03:18 – 00:03:27
Right. And so who I am now with this, this is just very recent. So we'll see how it goes. I am small meal guy. So I am like many small meal guy.
Aaron
00:03:27 – 00:03:38
So, like, at at dinner, I'll have small. And if I get hungry later, I'll have a snack later too. Like, that's fine. I'm I'm mentally preparing myself to eat five or six times. Whereas I tend to be three squares, god.
Aaron
00:03:38 – 00:03:40
Like, give me three squares, big You
Ian
00:03:40 – 00:03:43
are of a certain generation. Three squares is a
Aaron
00:03:43 – 00:03:43
pretty big
Ian
00:03:43 – 00:03:44
deal. Yeah.
Aaron
00:03:44 – 00:03:48
The government told me I got a Yeah. Exactly. Triangle and the plate.
Ian
00:03:48 – 00:03:50
Three squares mostly bread. Yeah. Right.
Aaron
00:03:50 – 00:03:55
Yeah. Exactly. So limiting what you eat is really tricky. So it's like, okay. If I don't have sweet thing, that's fine.
Aaron
00:03:55 – 00:04:04
But it's like that's its own little meal, and that's it. Like, we're not like and if I have dinner, it's like, I have a little bit of everything, and that's fine. But, like, I'm small meal guy. So we're gonna see if I could stick with this small meal.
Ian
00:04:04 – 00:04:15
We do we do like a guy, so that's good. Being being a guy is very helpful. Small meals guy is interesting. This this is it's reminding me of small naps guy who's like, oh, yeah. I do that.
Ian
00:04:15 – 00:04:26
I don't sleep. I just nap every three hours for twenty minutes. Yeah. This is admittedly less extreme and way more healthy. But small meals, small naps, you you could be you could be a bunch of different guys.
Aaron
00:04:26 – 00:04:33
Yeah. You could be more than one guy. That's fine. So that's that's my current play on it is small meal guy. Where you're gonna
Ian
00:04:33 – 00:04:33
see how
Aaron
00:04:33 – 00:04:34
that goes. Yeah.
Ian
00:04:34 – 00:04:43
I like I like a thread, so we'll have to keep this small meal guy thread going for at least one week when you say, I'm not I'm not small meal guy. Giant. Three squares.
Aaron
00:04:44 – 00:04:51
Well, you know, here's the thing. It's because, like, the gallbladder is sort of enforcement. The gallbladder never ends. Right? You think you hack it out and you're done with it.
Aaron
00:04:51 – 00:04:53
You're not done. So when you're not a gallbladder
Ian
00:04:54 – 00:04:55
at this point.
Aaron
00:04:55 – 00:05:22
Ghostbladder, your body doesn't really like the big meals when you don't have a gallbladder. So, like, it's not things don't operate quite as efficiently as they used to and stuff like that. And so it's like so so I do have a little extra motivation that like leveling out the food in your system is better and not having like the big spikes, which is just better for everybody in general, but like for me, especially, so I got a little motivation there. Wanna lose a few pounds. See how it goes.
Ian
00:05:22 – 00:05:27
Got the haircut. You're gonna dye the beard gray. You're a you're a you're a whole new man.
Aaron
00:05:27 – 00:05:28
Small small meal.
Ian
00:05:28 – 00:05:31
You don't even know. You gotta get your touch phrase down. Yeah.
Aaron
00:05:31 – 00:05:35
I gotta get I gotta get it. It's not quite the business level. Yeah. But we got it. We're good.
Ian
00:05:35 – 00:05:37
Small plates guy.
Aaron
00:05:37 – 00:05:38
Yeah.
Ian
00:05:38 – 00:05:42
Alright. Well, I got I got a few things. Where do you where do you wanna start today?
Aaron
00:05:43 – 00:05:47
I don't know. Well, you got this newsletter I saw. So what's the deal with newsletter, Taj?
Ian
00:05:47 – 00:05:50
Do you have the newsletter? So We do have the newsletter.
Aaron
00:05:50 – 00:05:51
And then I'll I'll
Ian
00:05:52 – 00:05:55
new stuff. Yeah. New stuff. All of that. It's okay.
Ian
00:05:55 – 00:06:03
Okay. I didn't put it on the board, but I have another topic that I wanna discuss. And it's, it's the exploit explore schedule. So we can we can come back
Aaron
00:06:03 – 00:06:06
to that one. We definitely should be on the board. You have other things on the board.
Ian
00:06:06 – 00:06:09
I just forgot. I just forgot. It's okay. It's good.
Aaron
00:06:09 – 00:06:11
Well, we can start with that if you prefer.
Ian
00:06:11 – 00:06:21
Let's start with that, and then we'll hit them with the newsletter. So that in the biz is called is called a tease. So stick around for the newsletter talk. Okay. So last week, we finished the show.
Ian
00:06:21 – 00:06:38
So if if y'all didn't get to the end of the show, well, joke's on you. So we finished the show last week with a discussion about how to correctly partition time. You know, we talked about Sanderson, and Yeah. We both fawned over him for a while and then tried to figure out how to make that work for our lives. Yep.
Ian
00:06:38 – 00:06:47
Okay. So this week, I this past week, I executed a strategy. Of course, it has a name. Of course, it has a name.
Aaron
00:06:47 – 00:06:48
Execute it.
Ian
00:06:48 – 00:06:50
We execute a strategy. It has a name.
Aaron
00:06:50 – 00:06:51
You gotta have a name.
Ian
00:06:51 – 00:07:03
We've talked many times about explore, exploit Yes. On the pod. You know? Look for something new that could be valuable and mine something that you already know is working. That's the exploit side.
Ian
00:07:04 – 00:07:21
So this past week, I worked on an exploit explore schedule. So in the mornings up until about well, the goal was you'll be pleased to hear this. Up until about 2PM, I was supposed to be exploiting, which means just doing things that we know will move the needle,
Aaron
00:07:22 – 00:07:23
will make courses,
Ian
00:07:23 – 00:07:29
whatever that number go up. Yes. Exactly. So the goal was to do that until 2PM. Okay.
Ian
00:07:29 – 00:07:31
Oftentimes, it just kept going.
Aaron
00:07:31 – 00:07:32
Continued on.
Ian
00:07:32 – 00:07:51
I just spent most of the day doing the things I should be doing. Yeah. Isn't that crazy? So here's the here's the strategy, or here's the point. And this this does borrow from Sanderson a little bit and his, his mental setup, which is like, all I have to do is the thing I have to do, and then I can do anything I want to do.
Ian
00:07:51 – 00:08:01
Right? That's it. It doesn't matter if I write I don't know what his number is. 2,000 words that suck. I can go play video games for the rest of my day, and I am a success.
Ian
00:08:02 – 00:08:15
Yeah. I have historically been doing it the opposite direction, which, of course, bleeds over into the entire day being exploration. And then you get done and you're like, I'm so busy. I can't do anything. I didn't get anything done.
Ian
00:08:15 – 00:08:24
Yes. You're tired. You're mad. Right. So I would typically come in and just, like, tinker and fiddle and be like, Oh, I could fix that.
Ian
00:08:24 – 00:08:33
Or let me see if this works. And let me work on, you know, let me work on some esoteric open source bugs. And then it's like, Well, there there goes today.
Aaron
00:08:33 – 00:08:35
It's already noon. Yeah.
Ian
00:08:35 – 00:08:44
Man, it's way past noon. It's awful. So I switched it, and I said, okay. I'm gonna come in. First thing I'm gonna do is I'm gonna record course videos.
Ian
00:08:44 – 00:08:49
So we are working on screencasting.com right now.
Aaron
00:08:49 – 00:08:55
Hold hold on one second. One second. Okay. So what's the schedule? Like, was the schedule just the flat?
Aaron
00:08:55 – 00:09:01
I'm gonna work till 2PM. Every day, the the schedule is the same. Work till 2PM on the exploiting and then the time.
Ian
00:09:01 – 00:09:06
So that that was the plan. I didn't stick to the plan, but in the good direction.
Aaron
00:09:06 – 00:09:10
Right. Right. Well, that's crazy. It's good or not good, but I see what you're saying. Yes.
Aaron
00:09:10 – 00:09:11
We'll see
Ian
00:09:11 – 00:09:27
you've got the exploit energy now. It'll balance out. Yeah. So the plan was come in every day and until two work on something that you're like you're certain will move the business needle forward. Mixed metaphor.
Ian
00:09:27 – 00:09:44
So that's that was the plan. So I came in this week and I sat down. And every, every day I came in, I recorded videos for screencasting.com, which is what we're working on right now. I think last week I got 38 videos done.
Aaron
00:09:44 – 00:09:45
Holy cow. That's crazy.
Ian
00:09:45 – 00:09:48
I know. What's that? I don't know.
Aaron
00:09:49 – 00:09:51
Imagine there's not productivity all year long. That's what
Ian
00:09:51 – 00:09:58
I'm saying. So it might be working. But Sanders just
Aaron
00:09:58 – 00:09:58
comes to
Ian
00:09:58 – 00:10:02
the I know. I gotta be more like Sanderson. I gotta You gotta be out
Aaron
00:10:02 – 00:10:04
there evangelizing him now. I got
Ian
00:10:04 – 00:10:17
$40,000,000 is what I gotta get. You're working. I'm just a few steps behind him. So yeah. And then in the afternoon, I was free to, like, explore, work on, you know, anything else that I wanted to work on.
Ian
00:10:17 – 00:10:40
And now moving forward, it won't just be, like, it won't just be recording videos. There are other things I need to do that, like, are clearly exploitative, which is, like, I do need to work diligently on open source. That falls into that. But only existing open source falls into exploit. Explore would be new stuff, and I'm I'm not doing that right now.
Ian
00:10:40 – 00:10:40
Yeah.
Aaron
00:10:40 – 00:10:42
I think you're good on open source library.
Ian
00:10:42 – 00:10:57
We're good there. Exploit would also be, like, migrating the platform from lemon squeezy to Stripe because lemon squeezy is not great. It's imploding and it's owned by Stripe now. So what are we doing here? So that's the kind of stuff that falls into that morning bucket.
Ian
00:10:57 – 00:11:01
And then the afternoon bucket's like, I don't know, man. Do whatever you want.
Aaron
00:11:01 – 00:11:02
I love it. I have no notes here.
Ian
00:11:02 – 00:11:04
No notes. I got a no notes.
Aaron
00:11:04 – 00:11:06
No notes. What time do you start working usually?
Ian
00:11:07 – 00:11:10
I try to be here by eight. Oh, wow.
Aaron
00:11:10 – 00:11:14
Yeah. Really? Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, that's plenty of time.
Aaron
00:11:14 – 00:11:24
Yeah. So, I mean, you're so productive. And a lot of your stuff is, like, interesting because it's, like, it is, like, ten, fifteen minute videos. And I know it takes more than obviously, it's gonna take you an hour, two hours Yeah. Potentially, whatever to make one.
Aaron
00:11:24 – 00:11:32
But, like, you could get two or three or four YouTube videos done in a strong session. Right? I know. If you're on YouTube video day or whatever. Right?
Aaron
00:11:32 – 00:11:52
Or like, which is the other thing with your stuff too. It's sort of interesting is, like, the thing was where, like, the open source even like, any of the coding stuff, I think the quicker you can sort of get rid of some of that, with, like, hired help or whatever. Yeah. I mean, it's, like, the kind of thing where, like, it's not because forget if it's even good or bad for business. It's just that, like, when you get into code, it just sucks up your time.
Aaron
00:11:52 – 00:11:58
You know? It's like whatever. There's a bug and and all of a sudden it's been three hours or, like, yeah. Oh, you see, should we factor this thing? And now that's
Ian
00:11:58 – 00:12:00
a pretty long thing. Three weeks.
Aaron
00:12:00 – 00:12:10
Yeah. Exactly. Like, you get sucked into it because that's just the nature of it, and there's no discrete endpoints ever. Correct. Whereas, like, when you're making videos, it's like, oh, like, I made these videos, and now they exist.
Aaron
00:12:10 – 00:12:15
Right? Whereas, like, the software is like, yeah. There's already probably 500 issues. Right? And, like, requests and all this stuff.
Aaron
00:12:15 – 00:12:16
But stuff you just want to
Ian
00:12:16 – 00:12:19
know this before. We love a finishable project.
Aaron
00:12:19 – 00:12:21
Yes. I love a finishable project. So, like
Ian
00:12:21 – 00:12:21
We love that.
Aaron
00:12:21 – 00:12:37
The more you're in finishable project land, it's, like, better for your own psyche, and you're just accomplishing things that are firm. Whereas, like Yes. It's that's the thing with software. It's like any new feature, what the ROI in any feature is very dubious. Right?
Aaron
00:12:37 – 00:12:52
Like, there occasionally, there's one that's like, oh, that that really changes everything, and you're gonna get so much more adoption. But, like, 95% of the time, you're like, I built this feature. Some people like it kind of, you know, I don't know. I don't even know if anybody's using it. Like, you know, like, that's, like, how it ends up being.
Aaron
00:12:52 – 00:13:08
And that's, like, a lot of time then spent on stuff of, like, dubious ROI. No. But that's not I love this breakdown because some of that maybe some of that is even in exploration time because it's like Yeah. Like, this feature, I wanna build it because it's cool. Who the hell knows if it's gonna help any of these things succeed?
Aaron
00:13:08 – 00:13:22
So I'll shove that in exploration time because it's a little more dubious and then I can have, you know, just maybe bug fixing and then like videos and like things that are more concretely helping in, you know, the mining time or whatever
Ian
00:13:22 – 00:13:24
you would. Yeah. Right. Yeah.
Aaron
00:13:24 – 00:13:27
Exploitation time. Cool. I think that's great. And I love it. It's good.
Aaron
00:13:27 – 00:13:29
Right? Yeah. Yeah. It's really simple. It's like 2PM.
Aaron
00:13:30 – 00:13:38
It's a nice it's nice line. It's, like, more than half a day, but still gives a good chunk behind it to actually get some things accomplished in exploration time. And
Ian
00:13:39 – 00:13:51
Yeah. I thought about complicated. I thought about, like, you know, breaking it down block by block for projects and putting them on the calendar, and I thought I'm never ever ever gonna stick to that. Yeah. There's no chance.
Ian
00:13:51 – 00:13:56
And there's no way to, like, even correctly plan for that upfront. There's it's just impossible to do.
Aaron
00:13:57 – 00:14:08
Yeah. I think it's just too much. But even if you even wider but still more structured, I think might not be I I didn't I think this is just, like, perfect. It's like Yeah. You can still go where you wanna go.
Aaron
00:14:08 – 00:14:26
Like, I wanna do courses this week or maybe I wanna do YouTube videos or I wanna do you know, you can still have that flexibility to move around. It's not, like, so structured, but at the same time, there is still a limited world of things you would ever do in this part of the day. And so it's also not where you're gonna just totally wander off on something.
Ian
00:14:26 – 00:14:37
Yeah. I wonder if I wonder if the real the thing that matters from this strategy is that I've restricted the first thing that I can work on when I get here. That may be the only thing that matters
Aaron
00:14:37 – 00:14:38
main thing.
Ian
00:14:38 – 00:14:47
From this whole strategy is when you come to work, you cannot start with a bug that could potentially literally take you until 06:30PM when you're Right. Going home.
Aaron
00:14:47 – 00:14:48
Yep. Or
Ian
00:14:48 – 00:14:52
That may be the only point of this whole thing that is relevant.
Aaron
00:14:52 – 00:15:08
I have three things I can work on or whatever it is. I have a small world of things. You're always gonna have a sense of which one's the most critical anyway. Right? So it's like, well, that one's probably gonna get more attention on most of the days, and that'll all naturally work out correctly, for the most part.
Aaron
00:15:08 – 00:15:14
So I love it. I think it's great. I mean, I had another question on it, and now I came over. I hate when that happens. Oh, yes.
Aaron
00:15:14 – 00:15:16
It was. So you went to so you went into overtime, though?
Ian
00:15:16 – 00:15:25
I did go into overtime. Yeah. Because, I think I think this is a momentum game. And it felt like once I had the momentum going, I was like
Aaron
00:15:25 – 00:15:26
Keep going.
Ian
00:15:26 – 00:15:47
It's not that bad. Let's just keep going. Also It it works that it also points to this being a good start the day strategy because momentum works the other way around. If it's 2PM and it's like, alright, time to switch to exploit mode, time to record a video. It's gonna be like, oh, getting the momentum up for that is very difficult.
Aaron
00:15:48 – 00:16:07
That's exactly what I was just gonna say. Like, the the order is also perfect because you just want like, when you're in momentum mode and overflowing, you want that to be on the more sure thing, generally speaking. Right? And then, like, yeah. And then other times, you'll stop and work on exploration, and that's great, and do a live stream or do whatever, and that's all good.
Aaron
00:16:07 – 00:16:24
But, yeah, I think that order is critical, actually, like, to make it all work right. And, yeah, I love this idea. I wanna stick I gotta I might have to steal this. I don't have exactly the same thing, but I have I have a variation on it that I could play with potentially. So I like that idea.
Ian
00:16:24 – 00:16:26
Alright. I'm influencing.
Aaron
00:16:26 – 00:16:28
Yeah. Yeah. I like it. Wow. Okay.
Aaron
00:16:28 – 00:16:33
So week one in the bag. Very successful. You have to write Sanderson a beautiful handwritten letter.
Ian
00:16:33 – 00:16:38
I will. Is he where is he physically? Is he he's not in Texas, is he?
Aaron
00:16:38 – 00:16:40
No. He's outside of Salt Lake City.
Ian
00:16:40 – 00:16:43
There you go. That's right. Yeah. I knew he was somewhere with a lot of land. Oh, yeah.
Ian
00:16:43 – 00:16:48
That's okay. Open country. Yeah. Great. Very, very happy about it.
Ian
00:16:48 – 00:16:50
Feels better at the end of every day.
Aaron
00:16:50 – 00:16:58
Yes. That's the thing. I do love when you get in those zones where it's like, oh, yeah. Like, I accomplished something Yeah. Real here.
Aaron
00:16:58 – 00:17:15
Like, I kinda I kinda gotten that with the HubSpot website recently because we got it done and, like, not it's not up yet, but Will King is designing it and things are being designed and all that. But it's, like, I kinda got in a groove with it, got it done finally. And it was like, oh, every day I was like making solid progress on it. It's like, oh, yes. Progress.
Aaron
00:17:15 – 00:17:29
And towards something that's even the website shouldn't really ever be done done, but it'll be done done enough to ship and then continue on with it. I actually don't wanna get in done with it mode because that's how I usually approach it. And then I'm done with it, and I don't go back to it. And I don't wanna do that this time. So Mhmm.
Aaron
00:17:29 – 00:17:42
Wanna keep working on the website, but, but at least it'll be done to shippable, and that'll be nice. So, yeah, that when you get in those grooves, so nice. I love that stuff. I was gonna say my son actually wrote Sanderson a letter Really? Years ago.
Aaron
00:17:42 – 00:18:11
And he used to when he started on YouTube, he would do these live streams, which he still does sometimes, but he would, like, take banned letters and stuff, which I haven't seen him do in a long time. But my son, yeah, wrote told him, his fave his favorite book and all this stuff. And Sanderson, like, signed his letter and gave him, like, a it's hard to describe. But basically, like, when Sanderson does the leather bounds, he signs them. And the way they do that is, like, they take they print just the, like, it's like a four way page thing, and they just sign those pieces of paper.
Aaron
00:18:11 – 00:18:26
And then they send it off to the binder, and it gets bound in. So he sent him one of those. He sent him the pen you did the signature with. So my son's got this whole little shrine of Sanderson where all of his stuff that was read on air and signed and all that stuff.
Ian
00:18:26 – 00:18:34
I'm getting emails from Jake Tapper, and he's getting a whole, like, swag set of signed goods from Sanderson. I'm doing I'm doing something wrong here.
Aaron
00:18:34 – 00:18:49
Gotta write Sanderson a letter. I think that he was he was this big it was it's crazy because it was, like, probably six or seven years ago now, I guess. It's like my son was probably, like, seven. But he's so much bigger now than he was even just then, so it's it's it might be harder to actually get ahold of him. But,
Ian
00:18:49 – 00:18:58
yeah. I think one of the only YouTube shorts I've ever watched was a few weeks ago, maybe last week, and it was of Sanderson talking about something, but he was signing while he was talking. He always saw
Aaron
00:18:58 – 00:18:59
it.
Ian
00:18:59 – 00:19:05
I think I saw I think I saw those signature sheets while he was talking. I thought, oh, that's clever that they do it pre binding.
Aaron
00:19:06 – 00:19:19
So he is this is where he is, like, he's very efficient like that. Right? So he's like, okay. That's why he started doing YouTube, actually, is because he had all these things to sign. And he was like, well, I don't wanna like, he used to just sit
Ian
00:19:19 – 00:19:21
and sign them. And he said, yes.
Aaron
00:19:21 – 00:19:41
Instead of just sitting here and signing these for hours and hours because it's like some of the you know, 50,000, a hundred thousand he's signing. And it takes weeks and months or whatever. So he's like, let's do YouTube while I'm here, and we'll stream and I'll answer questions and, like, whatever. Or he also does, like, a podcast podcast with this other guy. And so when he streams or does the podcast, he's signing the whole like, literally the whole time.
Aaron
00:19:41 – 00:19:47
And you see people running in and out with, like, taking away the piles and bringing them new piles, and he's just he's just double dipping.
Ian
00:19:47 – 00:19:50
It's like God. That is totally the dream.
Aaron
00:19:50 – 00:19:51
So good. Yeah.
Ian
00:19:51 – 00:19:52
Good for him.
Aaron
00:19:52 – 00:19:56
Yep. Great. Great. Mister efficiency. You got those big goals.
Aaron
00:19:56 – 00:19:58
I don't know. I feel like what do you what's your deal on goals?
Ian
00:19:59 – 00:20:02
What what do you mean what's my deal on goals? What are you talking about?
Aaron
00:20:02 – 00:20:02
Don't don't
Ian
00:20:02 – 00:20:04
give me that. Don't give me that skepticism.
Aaron
00:20:04 – 00:20:22
Hold on. Before we get the goals, I wanna thank today's sponsors, which is, Bento, our friends at Bento, the refreshingly better email marketing platform. Our friend, Jesse at Bento apparently got stabbed in the eye with a fork. I don't I don't have any more details on that, but
Ian
00:20:22 – 00:20:24
By by his two year old daughter.
Aaron
00:20:24 – 00:20:31
By his two year old. Not not an act of vengeance. It seemed like the eye is gonna be okay. It was the impression I
Ian
00:20:31 – 00:20:34
That's the impression I got. But, yeah, it looks pretty.
Aaron
00:20:34 – 00:20:45
Shout out to Jesse. Hopefully, the eye repairs, and you just got a cool past for a while, and it's all good. But, I've I've had that fear a million times. Obviously, the, the two year old ISAB. Okay.
Aaron
00:20:45 – 00:20:57
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Ian
00:20:59 – 00:21:10
And friend of the pod, Daniel Colbourne, will be speaking at PHP Tech. Yes. Yes. If you wanna go if you wanna go corner him and ask him questions about, event sourcing, PHP Tech, that's the place to be.
Aaron
00:21:10 – 00:21:13
Where is PHP Tech? I don't know if I remember. Do we do we look at that, actually?
Ian
00:21:13 – 00:21:16
Yeah. I looked it up last week. I think I said it was Chicago, I think.
Aaron
00:21:16 – 00:21:18
Okay. I think that's usually where it is.
Ian
00:21:18 – 00:21:19
Is that right?
Aaron
00:21:19 – 00:21:27
I haven't been to, like, a pure PHP event in a really long time. I did used to go occasionally, but I don't know. I just stay in the Laravel world. Alright. So what's your I'm
Ian
00:21:27 – 00:21:30
happy to see that pure PHP conferences are still around.
Aaron
00:21:30 – 00:21:35
Okay. It is. Goals. Long term goals. So like Sanderson, he's got the long term goal.
Aaron
00:21:35 – 00:21:46
He's like, I wanna write this huge series of novels. It's gonna take me till I'm 75. I have it planned out that way. Same goal. And I'm like building all of these structures around me to, like, make that a possibility.
Aaron
00:21:47 – 00:21:48
So anyway, long term goals.
Ian
00:21:49 – 00:21:56
His I need to hear about this story first. He wants to build, like, a singular or I guess all the same universe series of stories.
Aaron
00:21:56 – 00:22:10
His universe is called the Cosmere. Most of his books take place in it. The ones that don't are actually awesome too, but, like, most of the books take place in it. All the ones you've been recommended, I think so far take place in it. And so they're all in, they're separate individual stories.
Aaron
00:22:10 – 00:22:34
It's a really amazing idea. Does this it's so you could just read the story that you're in and it's fine. But if you read, the other stories, then you'll start to see the overlap and characters go between and magic go between and stuffs interconnected. And I do say, so I'm rereading his fifth book right now in the, like, kind of his main, main series, the stormlight archive. And I think it's on the border a little bit of getting away from him.
Aaron
00:22:34 – 00:22:45
Cause there's just like thousands of character. It's it's a little intense. But this is the end of an arc. So he's got in this main line series is five books in the first arc, and it's gonna be a second arc of five books.
Ian
00:22:45 – 00:22:46
Good. So
Aaron
00:22:46 – 00:22:58
he's gonna be the first arc. And all of these are, like, four to 500,000 words. So it'd be like the equivalent of, like, four or five, six novels of a normal length. Yeah. Let's see.
Aaron
00:22:58 – 00:23:08
Yeah. So he's building this whole thing. The last series is gonna reset with the new arc. So I think, hopefully, it comes a little a little more under control. I think it got away from a little hair here.
Aaron
00:23:08 – 00:23:17
But, anyway, yes. So he's got this Cosmere. The The story of the Cosmere is gonna take him his whole life to finish. And, you know, he's got a Wiki with all the, like, information.
Ian
00:23:17 – 00:23:21
I heard about that in in internal or at least I think some of it's internal. Yeah.
Aaron
00:23:21 – 00:23:27
It's all internal. Yeah. You can't go check it out. But it's got, like, you know. So I think he does have plans if he doesn't make it the whole way or whatever.
Aaron
00:23:27 – 00:23:45
But, like, that's his plan. He's got this crazy goal. He's halfway there, basically, but he's got, like, another twenty five, thirty years to go on it. So, you know, that's a great like, I had the goal, like, you know, had the family, get the house, start a business, which now I'm kinda like I checked a lot of those boxes.
Ian
00:23:45 – 00:23:46
Behind you.
Aaron
00:23:46 – 00:23:53
Yeah. Exactly. So I'm like, man, I maybe I needed, like, a lifetime goal. Like, what's what's the next job to be like? Yeah.
Aaron
00:23:53 – 00:23:57
I know. That's the thing. It's like like retirement and all that stuff. That's, like, not a goal. You know?
Aaron
00:23:57 – 00:24:07
That's, like, sort of a goal, but it's not, like, a goal goal. Like, a good accomplishment. So, like, I don't know. So what's your take on goals? Do you have a do you have a lifetime goal?
Ian
00:24:07 – 00:24:09
I don't think I have a lifetime goal.
Aaron
00:24:09 – 00:24:09
Okay.
Ian
00:24:09 – 00:24:17
At least not as as, discreet as Sanderson's. Yeah. I love a I love a big goal. I love a big dream. Yeah.
Ian
00:24:17 – 00:24:31
I think directionally, big goals for me would be, one, of course, make a ton of money. So that's that's big goal number one. But then get some, like, family property compound going.
Aaron
00:24:31 – 00:24:32
I love a compound.
Ian
00:24:32 – 00:24:39
I need a compound. Somewhere, like, maybe Northeast, maybe, like, Great Lakes, something like that. Something where
Aaron
00:24:39 – 00:24:42
compound that you live at or a vacation compound?
Ian
00:24:42 – 00:24:59
I think originally or to start, probably a vacation compound. Yeah. Something something Dan in real life esque. So if anyone has seen that movie with, Silver Fox, Steve Carell, Dan in real life is a great movie. But they go up you know, the grandparents have this house on the coast.
Ian
00:24:59 – 00:25:20
I think it's in, you know, Northeast somewhere. And all the family comes up, and they do crossword puzzles and make pancakes. And, like, that's that's directionally. That's the dream. I think along the route, there are other dreams, like, have land where I can, like, build stuff and, you know, do earthworks and that sort of thing.
Ian
00:25:20 – 00:25:34
I'm like or something. Yeah. And have a hobby garage where I can tinker, all of that kind of stuff. Yeah. But, yeah, nothing nothing is, like, crystal clear as, you know, whatever the Cosmere is, which seems nice.
Ian
00:25:34 – 00:25:35
Yeah.
Aaron
00:25:35 – 00:26:02
We have a I have the I've got, like, a house similar goal that we've talked about that, Jamie and I, about, like, yeah, the where are the kids gonna come back to Yes. When they're all out kind of thing, especially, which, like, it's kinda interesting because, like, when we have our current house, which is big enough for, like, the kids, although when they have families, I don't know if it's not really I mean Exactly. But it's not really ideal, I'd say, for that. But, but it's also, like, an expensive ish house, like, in terms of taxes and things like that. So it's not not ideal.
Aaron
00:26:02 – 00:26:26
The place we traditionally go on to, like, vacation as a family's Martha's Vineyard, which not the best place to have a family vacation house because, like, they're all, like, $10,000,000. So, like, that part is not ideal. So well, that would have to change a little bit, but, yes, something where, like, all the family comes back to, I agree. Like, that's that is kind of a thing on our list also. Although I also kinda think it's a little bit different, you know, like, that's still kind of a money thing ultimately.
Aaron
00:26:26 – 00:26:27
Like That
Ian
00:26:27 – 00:26:28
is a money thing for sure.
Aaron
00:26:28 – 00:26:37
It's like, well, we have enough money. We have a second house somewhere Yes. Whatever and big enough for everybody, and that's cool. It's not quite the same as, like, I wanna build the Cosmere, and it's like No.
Ian
00:26:37 – 00:26:37
It's not.
Aaron
00:26:37 – 00:26:44
A thing I've created. I agree. I mean, like, it's just a thing I could buy. Yeah. I don't know.
Aaron
00:26:44 – 00:26:48
So you don't you don't have a long term goal. I'd like a mega long term goal, a full full life goal other than,
Ian
00:26:48 – 00:26:49
oh, I'm not doing all
Aaron
00:26:49 – 00:26:52
the standard stuff, raise your family, blah blah blah. Right. All that stuff.
Ian
00:26:52 – 00:26:55
All the blah blah blah. Yeah. I have all that. But Yeah. No.
Ian
00:26:55 – 00:26:58
No. I don't. And maybe I should.
Aaron
00:26:58 – 00:27:06
It seems like your kinda thing. I feel like you It does. You could have a, like, I want to accomplish x by the time I'm 70 or something like that.
Ian
00:27:06 – 00:27:13
I like that. I'll have to give that some consideration. Yeah. Because I do have all of my goals are pretty near term.
Aaron
00:27:13 – 00:27:17
Yeah. Like, you have the also thing, but that's already you're kind of, like Right. Sort of
Ian
00:27:17 – 00:27:22
That that again, that's exactly the one I was thinking of, but it's very near term. I don't know. That is a good question.
Aaron
00:27:22 – 00:27:28
I guess if you had, like I mean, obviously, that's a very very copying standards and kind of thing of, like, not Cosmere, but, like, I
Ian
00:27:28 – 00:27:30
I should write the Cosmere. Or something.
Aaron
00:27:30 – 00:27:33
You you write the nerd mirror or something like that. You know?
Ian
00:27:33 – 00:27:36
I think the Cosmere is the nerd mirror just for
Aaron
00:27:36 – 00:27:38
the record. Probably true. Yeah.
Ian
00:27:39 – 00:27:48
Yeah. Maybe something like you know, if if I find the process of writing enjoyable, maybe something a book number thing. Okay. Yeah. I don't know.
Ian
00:27:48 – 00:27:53
That's a good question. What's a lifetime goal? It's kind of a it's kind of a big question, isn't it?
Aaron
00:27:53 – 00:27:55
Right in below with your lifetime goals.
Ian
00:27:55 – 00:28:01
Yeah. Tell us what your lifetime goals are. And if they're any good, maybe I'll steal it. Maybe I'll steal it for myself. Yeah.
Ian
00:28:01 – 00:28:02
That's my goal now.
Aaron
00:28:02 – 00:28:03
It. Yeah. Yeah. I
Ian
00:28:03 – 00:28:03
made this.
Aaron
00:28:04 – 00:28:12
Invented. Even, like, Sanderson, like, people had big story arcs that there's another big fantasy guy who Sanderson actually took over for when he died. That kind of had
Ian
00:28:12 – 00:28:15
a similar. Yeah. The one thing I
Aaron
00:28:15 – 00:28:21
don't know if that guy had it as a life goal to begin with though. It took him his whole life, but
Ian
00:28:21 – 00:28:22
did not exactly the same
Aaron
00:28:22 – 00:28:38
as like having a life goal. So I don't know. But, you know, there are people out there who have these kind of things, but it's not it's not super common, I don't think. So outside of, again, like, standard, have a lot of money. So you can do whatever you want, which is fine, but also focuses you near term a lot kind of.
Ian
00:28:38 – 00:28:39
It does. Yeah.
Aaron
00:28:39 – 00:28:43
So alright. Alright. Well, it'll be interesting to see what the people say on that one.
Ian
00:28:43 – 00:28:49
Yeah. Tell us your life goals, and we'll tell you if they're any good. And if they're super good, they'll become my life goals.
Aaron
00:28:49 – 00:28:54
Then you'll be hearing about them Yeah. On the podcast. Yep. Exactly. Alright.
Aaron
00:28:54 – 00:28:55
What do we got here?
Ian
00:28:56 – 00:28:56
Wanna do newsletter?
Aaron
00:28:57 – 00:28:58
Yeah. Sure. Let's do newsletter.
Ian
00:28:58 – 00:29:25
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Ian
00:29:25 – 00:29:38
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Ian
00:29:38 – 00:29:42
Newsletter. Yes. You put you put this on here, so you tee us up.
Aaron
00:29:43 – 00:29:52
So you you, posted last week that you were gonna well, apparently, you send Steve awesome things you find on Twitter is my understanding.
Ian
00:29:53 – 00:29:54
All the time.
Aaron
00:29:54 – 00:29:57
Yeah. So you're harassing him with awesome things you find on Twitter.
Ian
00:29:57 – 00:29:57
Constantly.
Aaron
00:29:58 – 00:30:10
And then you thought it might be too annoying, but he said it's not annoying. Yep. And then I think this is gets a little fuzzy here for me, but it sounds like then you were like, hey. Let's put all this in a newsletter instead of just keeping it to ourselves.
Ian
00:30:10 – 00:30:10
Yep.
Aaron
00:30:10 – 00:30:27
And this will now be a weekly, I assume. Or is it daily? Weekly newsletter with Aaron's curated list of awesome things on Twitter. Basically, the way I look at this is that you're digging into Twitter so the rest of us don't have to. And, like, you've muted the bad stuff.
Aaron
00:30:27 – 00:30:49
You've got your highly curated tools and techniques. You're gonna dig out the cool Laravel technology general interest stuff. You're gonna be like the drudge of the Laravel community where like you are pulling in interesting information. I assume maybe even beyond Twitter, I don't know if you're gonna be exclusively limited to Twitter. Just like when Aaron finds something that tickles his fancy.
Ian
00:30:49 – 00:30:50
Yes.
Aaron
00:30:50 – 00:31:00
It's going to go on the newsletter, and you will care you're going to be, dare I say, Peter Jennings of sort of the news here. Say. I dare say. I should
Ian
00:31:00 – 00:31:03
start smoking. Honestly.
Aaron
00:31:03 – 00:31:05
Yes. I mean, that sounds great. I love that.
Ian
00:31:06 – 00:31:14
Okay. Great. I thought I was I thought I was gonna get, I thought I was gonna get accosted here. So No. The story is the story is correct.
Ian
00:31:14 – 00:31:21
You you have accurate accurately recounted. So, I'm sending Steve stuff all the time. Poor guy. I don't know. You know?
Ian
00:31:21 – 00:31:43
I don't know if he ever logs off, but I sure don't. And so I'm just like, you know, it's Sunday night at 10PM, and I'm like, oh, look at this tweet. I just so, yeah, yeah, I'm sending him stuff all the time. I think this the inciting incident was I sent him one at, like, 7AM my time, which is 6AM his time. And, of course, he didn't respond until, you know, eight or whatever.
Ian
00:31:43 – 00:31:50
And I was like, yeah. I'm so sorry that I'd send you all this stuff at all hours of the day. Yeah. And that's when he was like, no. It's great.
Ian
00:31:50 – 00:31:57
I enjoy seeing Twitter through your eyes. Also, that's a pretty good newsletter idea. And I was like, that's a great newsletter idea.
Aaron
00:31:57 – 00:31:59
Great newsletter idea.
Ian
00:31:59 – 00:32:25
So yeah. So now what's happening is, I so we have a Slack channel just called tweets. And whenever I see something that I send to Steve, I will just drop it in that channel as well. And from that channel, our our Linda, who is Kelsey, picks up all the tweets and goes to a screenshot tool and makes, like, a pretty, you know, consistent looking screenshot out of it Yep. And then throws it into Lex.
Ian
00:32:25 – 00:32:54
Page. So we're using a we're using a AI writing service called Lex.page. And it's quite nice just detour on on Lex. It's quite nice because it is clearly created by writers and not by AI thread bros. And so their their whole thrust like, the main focus of Lex is we will we will be your writing assistant or your writing partner or your writing editor and not like, you don't have to write anymore.
Ian
00:32:54 – 00:32:59
You're freed from the shackles of expressing yourself. It's like, no. No. No. No.
Ian
00:32:59 – 00:33:11
You do the writing. We will help. And so we use Lex. Page for the newsletter because it kinda, like, learns from your previous newsletters and can start to match the tone and that sort of thing. So Oh, yeah.
Ian
00:33:11 – 00:33:35
Kelsey throws all the tweets into a newsletter template or, like, a just a new document per week. This will be week two. So she throws it into a new document, and we have the section, at the very top that's like, what? Anything on my mind this week? And so, like, I think last week, I talked about, how I spend my time because it was on my mind after mostly technical.
Ian
00:33:35 – 00:33:46
So I mentioned mostly technical linked to it, obviously. Said at the end of the show, talked about this. Here's how I've been trying to do it this week. Great. Now next, here are some tweets that caught my attention.
Ian
00:33:46 – 00:34:00
And so then it's a screenshot of the tweet and just, like, two or three sentences of why I think it's interesting or whatever. Yeah. And I think we did we did four or five, so it's not very many. It's not gonna be, like, 30 tweets. It's just, hey.
Ian
00:34:00 – 00:34:21
Here's a little here's a little sampling of what I found on the Internet. And then below that, a little bit about, like, what try hard is up to. And then there will be other sources. Like, there will be articles and maybe podcasts and stuff like that. But it feels like it feels like we had a need, and the need was we've gotta be sending more emails that are like, hey.
Ian
00:34:22 – 00:34:39
Here are all the things we're up to, and here's some interesting stuff that we're doing. But that's just not like I don't know. That's just like, you want me to subscribe to your company's brag list? Like, I I don't care about that. So I haven't I hadn't yet found a way to, like, do it in a way that I thought was valuable.
Ian
00:34:40 – 00:35:01
But wrapping it in this, like, this nugget is is pretty nice, I think, because it gives people a, like, a clear reason to subscribe. And if they don't like the try hard updates, they just don't read them. Like, they're either at the I think they're at the bottom. And so it's like you read them, you read all the interesting tweets, you know, thought perokes your thoughts. These guys are up to something.
Ian
00:35:01 – 00:35:20
I don't care. Let's move on. And so I feel like this is both a valuable way to deliver interesting information, and it's very, very low lift on my side. I can't write a newsletter every week that's like, you know, 500 words or a thousand words of, like, some novel insight. I just can't do that.
Ian
00:35:20 – 00:35:32
But I'm already spending too much time on Twitter and, you know, sending stuff to Steve. So why not send it to Kelsey too, and then we'll turn around and send it to everybody? So there you go. Feels great.
Aaron
00:35:32 – 00:35:39
It's good. Yeah. I was hoping you were automating it, and you are. So it's like you don't have to worry about it. So that's great.
Aaron
00:35:39 – 00:35:48
You just do what you're already doing. It takes two extra seconds to drop it in Slack, and you're done. And, yeah, actually, I saw it, and then I forgot to sign up. So I just signed up this morning. So now I missed last week.
Ian
00:35:48 – 00:35:50
You missed last week.
Aaron
00:35:50 – 00:35:53
I know. But now I'm now I'm on it. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's great.
Aaron
00:35:53 – 00:36:03
Because like you said, like, we whenever you just send, like, stuff about your company, it's so, like, you know, it's for a certain audience wants that. Right? But it's, like, not broadly applicable. No.
Ian
00:36:03 – 00:36:06
It's not compelling to sign up.
Aaron
00:36:06 – 00:36:08
Yeah. So then that's what
Ian
00:36:08 – 00:36:15
Like, I can't I can't whether or not people enjoy getting it in their inboxes, I can't get anyone to sign up for company updates. You know? Alright.
Aaron
00:36:15 – 00:36:37
Yeah. Yeah. I think it your stuff's kinda interesting because this is, like, Aaron updates more than, like, company updates on a certain if you position it that way, which I think would probably be the way to position it. So, like, you kind of have a little edge there on it, but still, I think that this then tied in with that makes so much more sense. It's like, oh, just interesting things I found on the Internet, and that's great.
Aaron
00:36:37 – 00:36:50
And then plus, obviously, your stuff or whatever you Mhmm. Your big tweet of the week or whatever should always be in there, and that kind of things. I like it. I think this is kinda like what you were getting at with, like, when you were gonna do, like, the the pardon the interruption style thing.
Ian
00:36:50 – 00:36:51
I know.
Aaron
00:36:51 – 00:37:00
Like, this is, like Much lower lift. Accomplishable, you know, with the amount of time you can dedicate to it. Yeah. So, yeah, I I like that.
Ian
00:37:00 – 00:37:09
This is a good this is a good day for me. I've got I got one, I think, no contest, and then I got one. I I love it, and this is maybe my second. I love it from y'all today.
Aaron
00:37:09 – 00:37:20
Crazy. You've come back, and Ian is very concrete, if I may talk about myself in the third person. And, like, when you're in the walker. You're steady. Exploration land.
Aaron
00:37:20 – 00:37:34
You know? Like, I'm like, Aaron, come come back. Like, I like when exploration Aaron, but I also like Aaron who's, like, shipping courses and doing stuff. So, like, this way, it's like, yeah. We're getting back into, yin and yang, the hormonal balance of Mhmm.
Aaron
00:37:34 – 00:37:52
Where it's like, yeah, there's stuff happening. And this newsletter is now gonna ship forever because you're always gonna find five interesting things on Internet. And Kelsey's always just gonna be all put it together because it's gonna take her only ten minutes or whatever. It's not like this is a five hour project for her every week, and it's all gonna happen. And it's gonna be great, and it's gonna be additive.
Aaron
00:37:52 – 00:37:58
People are gonna enjoy it. So I think it's it's perfect. That's right. Good marketing.
Ian
00:37:58 – 00:38:02
That's good. It's coming up all air and today, baby. It's gonna be a good week.
Aaron
00:38:02 – 00:38:09
So then so this tied to perfect because yesterday, I was like, I'm done with Twitter. Right? Yeah. Done. So I canceled the deactivated the account.
Ian
00:38:09 – 00:38:10
Right? You did.
Aaron
00:38:10 – 00:38:20
Deactivated. Gone. Oh. And I was like, this is perfect because, like, you and, like, there's, like, three or four other people that I'm like, they're really the only reason I go to Twitter and
Ian
00:38:20 – 00:38:21
oh, you're you're right.
Aaron
00:38:21 – 00:38:37
Oh, man. So I was like, now I will get your important tweets because you know another thing they've really screwed up with Jason and Gregory is there is no way to like feed a Twitter account as far as I could find to, like, an RSS feed, which is my No.
Ian
00:38:37 – 00:38:39
No. No. No. No. No.
Ian
00:38:39 – 00:38:39
No.
Aaron
00:38:39 – 00:38:43
No. No. Everything cut off from that. There is this there is some site I found. It's, like, you gotta pay them.
Aaron
00:38:43 – 00:38:48
It's, like, $25 a month or whatever. I'm like, I'm not paying $25 a month for, like, Aaron's tweets to be fair to me.
Ian
00:38:48 – 00:38:50
Oh, okay. First of all,
Aaron
00:38:50 – 00:38:50
you didn't
Ian
00:38:50 – 00:38:53
you didn't have to name me. You could have named somebody else.
Aaron
00:38:53 – 00:38:58
You're the most important set of tweets I need to see. So I can always go in. Listen. I didn't like whatever. We have mostly technical.
Aaron
00:38:58 – 00:39:10
I have a help spot account, which I don't do anything with. Like, whatever. I still have Twitter accounts. So I get to check-in on you, before the show and make sure I know what's up. But this is I like the newsletter idea too because it's like, oh, it's gonna be, like, shipped right to me very conveniently.
Aaron
00:39:11 – 00:39:22
And you're going through all the hard work of picking out the, like, handful of actually interesting things I might have been slightly sad to miss. Now I'm not even gonna miss those because you are gonna deliver it to my end all.
Ian
00:39:22 – 00:39:26
Pressure. Pressure. I am the only source of Twitter for Ian now. No.
Aaron
00:39:26 – 00:39:29
It is. It's all it's all through you now, man.
Ian
00:39:29 – 00:39:32
So Okay. This is big.
Aaron
00:39:33 – 00:39:39
You know, the only thing that made me sad was, like, man, nineteen years. That's crazy. Like, nine That is crazy. Years on a website.
Ian
00:39:39 – 00:39:40
That is crazy.
Aaron
00:39:40 – 00:39:47
Active use for nineteen years. It's pretty crazy. So that part is a little crazy. But, yeah, it feels good. It's like too, so much negativity for me.
Aaron
00:39:47 – 00:40:00
It's like, I can't go through what you've done and like create a 4,000 word mute list and do all that. Like that's not just not into that. And like that to me is not like Twitter. Like that's not the Twitter I feel like I wanna participate in. And, obviously, everybody has different opinions on us.
Aaron
00:40:00 – 00:40:10
It's not a fault. I don't care about that. But, like, just for myself, like, I want the raw fire hose, the good and the bad. Like, give it all to me. And now it's just it's just I just can't do it.
Aaron
00:40:10 – 00:40:11
So
Ian
00:40:11 – 00:40:25
It does I will I will admit. It does it does feel a little bit like I'm sticking a finger in the dam, and it's like, nope. This this will fix it. And then another one springs, and I'm like, I got it, guys. This past week has been awful on Twitter.
Ian
00:40:25 – 00:40:27
It's just been a disaster.
Aaron
00:40:27 – 00:40:29
Even with your mute list, you can't
Ian
00:40:29 – 00:40:43
Yes. I'm getting all kinds of, like, viral stake ads. I'm getting all kinds of, like, foreign language tweets. Like, if there was one blocked. If there was one filter, it's like, what language does this person speak?
Aaron
00:40:43 – 00:40:44
There you go.
Ian
00:40:44 – 00:40:54
And, you know, we don't even have to make it American centric. We can say what languages does this person speak. Because in other parts of the world, people speak more than one language. Sure. That's fine.
Ian
00:40:54 – 00:41:07
But here, I don't speak more than one language. I don't want tweets from Mexico or Japan or Indonesia. Like, I'm sure those are great tweets. I can't read them. That I just don't and what am I supposed to do with it?
Aaron
00:41:07 – 00:41:08
Like, they need the
Ian
00:41:08 – 00:41:09
views. We gotta bump
Aaron
00:41:09 – 00:41:15
the views. This guy we got nothing left to feed him since he's muted the only things people are talking about. And so we just gotta give him this
Ian
00:41:16 – 00:41:16
We'll feel it.
Aaron
00:41:16 – 00:41:20
About Trump, but it's in Japanese. So, like, it's fine. Dude.
Ian
00:41:20 – 00:41:34
Like, even if I loved, even if I loved Pakistan versus India cricket, which I don't, but I understand that that would be interesting. You have to show me those tweets in English.
Aaron
00:41:34 – 00:41:38
The I can translate that. I'm not gonna click the grok button. What am I gonna do? Sit there and
Ian
00:41:38 – 00:41:49
drop like a few tweets in a row that are all eight different languages. What what good is that? Between that and, like, let's let's Photoshop JD Vance's face on everybody, it was just That's
Aaron
00:41:49 – 00:42:02
kind of the best. That's the best I've seen in a while. That almost cut me because I was like, man, this is, like, the best meme in a long time. Just, like, the little chipmunk faces. But, yes, it's like, oh, that's all my feed is, is chipmunk faces of JD Vance, which I appreciate.
Aaron
00:42:02 – 00:42:02
But
Ian
00:42:03 – 00:42:12
So annoying. So, yeah, it's not it's not been great. I'm candidly losing losing hope that it will ever turn around.
Aaron
00:42:12 – 00:42:16
I think there's. In the interest of people to turn it around in the way there's
Ian
00:42:16 – 00:42:16
a chance.
Aaron
00:42:16 – 00:42:17
You want it.
Ian
00:42:17 – 00:42:37
There's a chance they come along and some, you know, some cracked engineer at Twitter is like, oh, what if I did this? And, like, fundamentally changes the algorithm and Accidentally Yeah. Eliminates bots or something. There's a chance that they, like, go on a wild hare and just fix everything.
Aaron
00:42:37 – 00:42:38
Yeah.
Ian
00:42:38 – 00:42:41
But my hopes are diminishing that it will it will be fixable.
Aaron
00:42:41 – 00:42:47
Yeah, man. Because what's even it's like I don't know. It's just so much between, like, the general negativity, right, which is, like, 90%.
Ian
00:42:47 – 00:42:49
That's human nature. Yeah. That's a problem.
Aaron
00:42:49 – 00:43:07
All the, like, everybody everything else is, like, I'm just angling to, like, play the algo. So even if you see something, like, positive, it's, like, still you know, everything is buried that you'd well, I'd wanna see, like, okay. Here's a new cool little Laravel thing somebody built. Like, that's bare I never see that anymore no matter what. So then it's like, okay.
Aaron
00:43:07 – 00:43:12
So now it's just like all the other crap, and it's like, I don't know. It's just not it's just yeah. So maybe they'll fix it.
Ian
00:43:12 – 00:43:13
Maybe they'll fix it. I I
Aaron
00:43:13 – 00:43:14
would like to see it then.
Ian
00:43:14 – 00:43:14
I hope.
Aaron
00:43:14 – 00:43:20
I don't wanna see it done. It's like Twitter. It's like a huge older than my oldest child I've been using
Ian
00:43:20 – 00:43:21
I know. That long.
Aaron
00:43:21 – 00:43:34
Like, but but right now, it's like, I don't know. I wish there was also a way to, like, deactivate, I guess, without I don't know. I feel like the deactivation stuff is a little obviously, they're intentionally making you make a decision that's Yeah. Dominance. But
Ian
00:43:35 – 00:43:35
Scary.
Aaron
00:43:35 – 00:43:43
I feel like there's, like, a a better angle to that possibly that would even benefit them, but whatever. It is what it is. So you're you're you're in or you're out, and that's it.
Ian
00:43:43 – 00:44:00
So No. I I just want viral slap content and OnlyFans accounts to be just completely banned, just completely gone. Because every time you tweet something, the first, like, is from Daphne or whatever, and she has zero followers, zero following. And so
Aaron
00:44:01 – 00:44:03
That is another thing that got deleted.
Ian
00:44:03 – 00:44:04
Figure this out.
Aaron
00:44:04 – 00:44:14
That was totally another thing that I hit, which I haven't even seen that much of in the past, which is, like yes. So, like, anything I tweeted or even replies to people.
Ian
00:44:14 – 00:44:14
Yes.
Aaron
00:44:14 – 00:44:38
It's like somebody writes back, and I am their only follow or they have zero followers. And but they're commenting to I'm like, how is this account? This is like the lowest hanging of low fruit. Like, how can an account that was just created like, how can they just be randomly replying obvious just drip like, this is not you don't need AI. You don't need any this all seems fixable with just technology we had twenty years ago.
Ian
00:44:38 – 00:44:45
I don't know. Like I hate to I hate to say it, but I fully agree with you. And I think they're doing a I think they're doing a bad job, which, you know
Aaron
00:44:46 – 00:44:56
Because I don't think they care about doing a good job. Right? Like, it's like, how can we influence people in the ways we're interested in influencing them, and they're not really worried about, you know, a good experience for the user.
Ian
00:44:56 – 00:45:00
I don't know. I don't know what the problem is, but there is a problem.
Aaron
00:45:00 – 00:45:06
I mean, it's crazy. Anybody who uses it for a second is like, you just see that it's not, yeah, it's not great.
Ian
00:45:06 – 00:45:08
It's not, it's not great, Bob. It's not great. It's kind
Aaron
00:45:08 – 00:45:25
of another thing with like getting the links, not in the tweets is like, that's like interesting meta info that like you could use. And now I feel like that's disassociated. So it's like, well, yeah, we'll still like push this tweet. That's like an OnlyFans account, right, where the OnlyFans link is in the second tweet. It's like, no.
Aaron
00:45:25 – 00:45:29
Just like, why are you showing me this? Like Yeah. Alright. So that's So
Ian
00:45:29 – 00:45:30
the newsletter. Yeah.
Aaron
00:45:30 – 00:45:51
I'm very excited about the newsletter. I think that's gonna be cool. Especially, I would I would expand just because, you know, you never know about Twitter, but also just there's other interesting things that I'm sure you come across. And so There are. I would make it to, like, Aaron's, you have good taste in these things, and I think that's valuable, and people will be interested in what you think is important enough to share.
Aaron
00:45:51 – 00:45:52
So
Ian
00:45:52 – 00:45:57
Yeah. I think generally a curation angle is is correct. That's what we're going for.
Aaron
00:45:57 – 00:46:02
Yeah. Yeah. I would you do it like, make it available on the website at some point too? Yes.
Ian
00:46:02 – 00:46:03
Mhmm. Yeah.
Aaron
00:46:03 – 00:46:07
I think that'd be that'd be good. Yeah. I don't like when these things are buried only in newsletters, really.
Ian
00:46:07 – 00:46:19
I know. I don't either. Yeah. After we get a few issues up and we get the process for getting, getting the former issues out of Bento, Bento now Com, then we'll figure out how to get those on the website as well.
Aaron
00:46:20 – 00:46:23
Yep. Cool. Yeah. I like it. Alright.
Aaron
00:46:23 – 00:46:27
What else we got? We got one more on the list here. We're you guys have a quote.
Ian
00:46:28 – 00:46:30
I've got a potential AI winner first.
Aaron
00:46:30 – 00:46:32
Oh, I kinda thought that was your other thing. Okay. What's the picture? I don't know.
Ian
00:46:32 – 00:47:01
So I've got a potential AI winner, and we we can we can end on this this quote, which is going to be posed as a question to you. We don't have long. So the potential AI winner, here's my, my thesis on who could win big from AI, and it's people who are prolific or have been prolific in the past. So here's here's something I've done recently, which is I have an idea for something I want to write.
Aaron
00:47:01 – 00:47:02
Mhmm.
Ian
00:47:02 – 00:47:25
I go to a GPT and Gemini, and I turn on deep search on both of those. Okay. And I say, here's the idea for the article that I want to write. Please go search aaronfrancis.com through all the podcast transcripts and find anytime I've talked about something kind of related to this and bring it up, surface it for me. Here's a bunch of articles I have written already.
Ian
00:47:25 – 00:47:39
Like, I've done all the work to write them. This is the tone, the style, the cadence you should use. Yep. And then, like, also go out and find things that either support or deny my point of view, and here is my point of view. Go.
Ian
00:47:39 – 00:48:02
And it, like, goes out and finds everything I've ever said about it. And I can go to grok and do the same thing on tweets. I can say, go find anything that Aaron has ever said on this topic. And so then I get three research reports, one from Grok, Gemini, and GPT. And then I turn those into PDFs, and I feed it into Claude and say, hey.
Ian
00:48:02 – 00:48:08
Here's research. Here's yeah. It's crazy. Here's a bunch of research that I did. Yeah.
Ian
00:48:08 – 00:48:27
I just lied to it. I said, here's a bunch of research that I did. Can you combine this into an article written in the voice of Aaron Francis, which is, you know, based on these eight articles. You can, you know, just pull out the voice, and it writes it just writes out the first draft of an article. And, you know, it's, like, 60% good, maybe 70.
Ian
00:48:27 – 00:48:48
But then I take it into Lex dot page, and I start just, like, changing everything, writing it as it should be. And I think it's, like, I have an unfair advantage here in that I have a lot of public words available that it can just, like, consume and kind of triangulate what I would write an article on it. It's crazy.
Aaron
00:48:49 – 00:48:57
Yeah. I totally agree. I think that everybody who's like, duh, I don't want my stuff in the AI. I feel like totally the wrong approach. It's like saying in 1999, you don't want your stuff in Google.
Aaron
00:48:57 – 00:49:14
Like, I feel like, yeah, maybe that seemed like a good idea, but, like, in reality, like, this is gonna be the new authoritative source. Don't you wanna be the authority potentially in certain Yes. Segments, or for your name to come up when people are like, tell me about Laravel and whatever. I want Aaron Francis to be there. Right?
Aaron
00:49:14 – 00:49:23
If I'm Aaron Francis. Like, I don't wanna not be in the index and hence not be included when people ask you questions like that. So, yeah, I totally agree.
Ian
00:49:23 – 00:49:27
I wanna be able to produce this is the rich get richer. This is the problem right
Aaron
00:49:27 – 00:49:30
here. Yes. Right. Then you can't even double down on it.
Ian
00:49:30 – 00:49:30
It gets
Aaron
00:49:30 – 00:49:31
me right as
Ian
00:49:31 – 00:49:53
you done a good job of, like, putting stuff out there. And because I have, now I can just outstrip everyone because I have all these tools that I can feed in my old stuff and help me produce new stuff even faster. It's that's the part that's like, man, this is this is a potential way that I could ride the wave and not be crushed by it.
Aaron
00:49:53 – 00:50:14
Well, cool thing about how the AI works, though, is I do think that what people can do if you're in that position where you don't have ten years, like Aaron Francis has, I love that we're talking to the third person that that Aaron Francis has, or these like, well, third person history is like, now that the context windows are getting bigger, like you just need to keep your own pile of your own stuff.
Ian
00:50:14 – 00:50:14
You do.
Aaron
00:50:14 – 00:50:28
And you just paste that in every time. And it's like, okay, when I have something I wanna write, here's a hundred thousand tokens of all the stuff I've written that yes, is not in the index, but here it is. And it's doing the same exact thing as if it was in the index. Right? So
Ian
00:50:28 – 00:50:35
And that can even be voice notes. Just record one to two minute voice notes and just put them in a folder somewhere.
Aaron
00:50:35 – 00:50:49
Yeah. So there is, like it's sort of nice in that way where it's, like, in the past, there wasn't even a way around it. It's like, well, just start doing SEO. And in two years, it's, like, maybe you'll get somewhere, maybe not, you know? Like, you could actually jump that.
Aaron
00:50:49 – 00:50:59
You could still jump it to the top in terms of your own utilization of it anyway, not as much, obviously, in the you being a reference for others, but at least in your own utilization, you can still do that. So it's like Yeah.
Ian
00:50:59 – 00:51:04
Don't don't use me. Nobody listening use me as a reference for your writing. Wait a second. Hold on.
Aaron
00:51:04 – 00:51:18
But see That's not fair. This is really cool too because it's like, I I well, I think I've done, I haven't actually released any new products. But when I've occasionally need wanted to name a new product, I have emulate the best product name I know, which is Taylor Otwell. I'll be like, hey.
Ian
00:51:18 – 00:51:18
Love it.
Aaron
00:51:18 – 00:51:33
In Taylor Otwell's style, like, what would you call product that does x y z? And it it's like, okay. Taylor Otwell's style Taylor Otwell's style is to sync and, you know, blah blah. And, like, it'll it'll give you those, like Cool. Same type of names, and you're like, oh, wow.
Aaron
00:51:33 – 00:51:46
That's, like, crazy. It it knows how taylor names things pretty well. And so Yeah, so there's some cool things like that that people I think Could be leveraging. Yeah. I'm still I'm still not on the ai doom train.
Aaron
00:51:46 – 00:51:56
I still feel like I don't know about this that you need to use all four of these. It seems a little why do you have Claude Wright? Is Claude better at Wright? No. Chat GPT just launched the the 4.5.
Ian
00:51:56 – 00:51:56
It was
Aaron
00:51:56 – 00:51:58
supposed to be very good at writing.
Ian
00:51:58 – 00:52:14
So I also am now using 4.5 to write as well. So I actually have Claude three seven write a draft and g p t four five write a draft, and then I kinda compare and contrast. Given the same research material, I have them both write a draft. And they come out pretty different. And so it's Yeah.
Ian
00:52:14 – 00:52:22
It's instructive. I don't think you need all of them. We just happen to have all of them for different, like, business purposes, and so I just use them
Aaron
00:52:22 – 00:52:23
I use them all. I haven't
Ian
00:52:23 – 00:52:27
The deep research things are incredible. Yeah.
Aaron
00:52:27 – 00:52:31
I haven't even used Gemini yet. Other well, I guess I have in that when you Google search, sometimes you get it.
Ian
00:52:31 – 00:52:33
It's out of the way. Way. Yeah.
Aaron
00:52:33 – 00:52:39
I've used that, but, I haven't, like, used it used it where I don't even know how where you go to it. I guess there's a place Yeah.
Ian
00:52:39 – 00:52:44
That's part of their problem. It's buried in it's buried in the bowels of Google.
Aaron
00:52:44 – 00:52:45
Okay. Yeah.
Ian
00:52:45 – 00:52:55
But, yeah, they're all good at something different. I think if I had to keep only one, it would probably be GPT, the pro subscription, just because it's just so good.
Aaron
00:52:55 – 00:52:57
That's just what I use in the store.
Ian
00:52:57 – 00:53:07
Alright. You gotta run, but I have I have a I have a scenario for you, and I need I need your your first gut reaction. Okay. So Oh, boy. You're you're in Dallas, and you're going out to dinner.
Ian
00:53:07 – 00:53:13
So you can't park anywhere, so you got a valet. So you pull up to the valet, and you open the door, and the valet says, hey. We're fully accommodated tonight.
Aaron
00:53:14 – 00:53:15
Okay.
Ian
00:53:15 – 00:53:16
What does that mean?
Aaron
00:53:18 – 00:53:23
I mean, I think I would take it as there's no more spots in the valet, but it is a weird way to put that.
Ian
00:53:23 – 00:53:30
Why do people know that? What does that mean? We're fully accommodated. I pulled up to the valet. I opened the door, and the guy said, hey.
Ian
00:53:30 – 00:53:39
We're fully accommodated tonight. And I just stared at him. And I I looked at him, and I said, can you say that in English? Does that mean you're full? And he said he laughed.
Ian
00:53:39 – 00:53:45
He was, you know, like, 19. He's like, yeah. We're full. I was like, okay. Next time, just say we're full.
Ian
00:53:45 – 00:53:48
I've never heard in my life, hey. We're fully accommodated.
Aaron
00:53:49 – 00:53:51
Like, we're fully accommodating. Like, we're being very
Ian
00:53:51 – 00:53:55
That's what I thought. I thought, oh, you're full service? That's great. I love that for me.
Aaron
00:53:55 – 00:53:58
Are you gonna check the oil and, like, you know, clean the windshield? Like
Ian
00:53:59 – 00:54:07
Or like, hey. We we've got everything you need. We're all staffed up. We're fully accommodated. Like, just say we're full.
Ian
00:54:07 – 00:54:13
I I had no we drove off, and my wife was like, I didn't I had no idea what he was saying either.
Aaron
00:54:14 – 00:54:14
So Oh my god.
Ian
00:54:14 – 00:54:16
That made me feel better. But you knew.
Aaron
00:54:17 – 00:54:23
I mean, I think it helps that you did the setup to you know, I figured it was gonna be something weird. So it's like Oh, yeah.
Ian
00:54:23 – 00:54:26
It's like Whereas guess how much, and then it changes how much you guess.
Aaron
00:54:26 – 00:54:36
Yeah. Whereas, like, just pulling up, if somebody's saying that to me, I think I probably would be like, just like, what what? Like, I at least ask for a repeat because I'd be like, oh, I'm not sure what you're saying. Yeah. I can totally see that.
Aaron
00:54:36 – 00:54:41
That's that's fair. So now did you not go to dinner at that restaurant at all? Did you abandon ship?
Ian
00:54:41 – 00:54:43
No. He told me where a South Park garage was.
Aaron
00:54:44 – 00:54:44
Yeah.
Ian
00:54:45 – 00:54:45
So Was
Aaron
00:54:45 – 00:54:45
it good?
Ian
00:54:45 – 00:54:56
I don't know I don't know if he's 19 and that's the company line or if he's like he he learn learned that big word somewhere, but it it threw me off. So I don't know who's the dummy, me or him, but, one of us for sure.
Aaron
00:54:56 – 00:54:58
A good valet is.
Ian
00:54:58 – 00:55:06
Yeah. I love a fully accommodating valet for sure. Yeah. That's that's what I appreciate. Fully accommodated is another story, unfortunately.
Aaron
00:55:06 – 00:55:12
Pull up, you get the valet takes your car, you go to a nice dinner, you come out, they they get your car. It's
Ian
00:55:12 – 00:55:15
good stuff. Yeah. That's the business model. It's great. I like that.
Aaron
00:55:15 – 00:55:18
To the parking garage, walk in two blocks.
Ian
00:55:18 – 00:55:19
Like a commoner?
Aaron
00:55:19 – 00:55:20
Yeah. I don't like that. That's not
Ian
00:55:20 – 00:55:29
I don't like that either. Where it's at. Turns out the parking garage was, like, 15 steps away, which is another Dallas thing. It's like, hey. We've got a parking everywhere, but you can't use it.
Ian
00:55:29 – 00:55:34
It's like Wow. It's right there. I definitely can. So alright. There you go.
Ian
00:55:34 – 00:55:37
Fully accommodated. Fully accommodated. Which means we're done. Yeah.
Aaron
00:55:37 – 00:55:43
That's it. We're done with the episode, but that's the new shtick at the end of the episode. You're all fully accommodated.
Ian
00:55:43 – 00:55:44
You're all fully accommodated now.
Aaron
00:55:44 – 00:56:01
Alright. Thanks everybody, for listening, and follow us at mostlytechnical.com. We can get links to all the stuff and the podcast and the video, YouTube, all the good stuff. Thanks to the sponsors, and we will see you next week. Thanks, all.
Ian
00:56:01 – 00:56:01
See you.
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