Eye on the Future

April 8, 2025

Ian and Aaron discuss Ian's trip to PHP x NYC, Aaron's new art, how to try to thrive if you think a recession is coming, and so much more. Sponsored by: Bento - https://bentonow.com/ WorkOS - https://workos.com/ 00:00 A Billionaire Sighting 06:02 PHP x NYC 14:05 Follow Up 18:08 Aaron's Art 27:32 Ian's New Computer 39:14 Screencasting.com 45:03 Adapting to a Recession 01:03:00 Conference Talk
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Transcript

Aaron
00:00:00 – 00:00:02
Hello? Morning, Ian. I got I got one for you today.
Ian
00:00:02 – 00:00:05
Oh, it's kicking us off with something.
Aaron
00:00:05 – 00:00:16
I saw a billionaire in person this weekend, and I want you to guess who it is. So we'll start broad, and then I can narrow it down if I have to.
Ian
00:00:16 – 00:00:16
Where were you?
Aaron
00:00:16 – 00:00:17
We went
Ian
00:00:17 – 00:00:18
Roughly.
Aaron
00:00:19 – 00:00:23
We went out to a little hotel bar for Jennifer's birthday to listen to some jazz.
Ian
00:00:24 – 00:00:26
Okay. So in the area, around your house.
Aaron
00:00:26 – 00:00:28
In the Dallas area, add a little jazz bar. Alright.
Ian
00:00:28 – 00:00:31
Well, obviously, first, guess, we're gonna go Mark Cuban.
Aaron
00:00:31 – 00:00:33
Close. No cigar.
Ian
00:00:33 – 00:00:34
Close. Okay. Close.
Aaron
00:00:34 – 00:00:35
And you'll understand why.
Ian
00:00:35 – 00:00:37
Close to Mark Cuban.
Aaron
00:00:37 – 00:00:38
Close to Mark Cuban.
Ian
00:00:39 – 00:00:40
So know this person.
Aaron
00:00:40 – 00:00:47
Oh, definitely. Definitely. And I feel like you could get it in two. You could get you could get it in this very next guess.
Ian
00:00:47 – 00:00:49
There's a lot of pressure here. Mhmm. Alright.
Aaron
00:00:49 – 00:00:53
What what are aspects of Mark Cuban that could make it close?
Ian
00:00:53 – 00:01:02
I'm thinking you're you're talking about the sports angle, I assume. Okay. Man, Man, there's a lot of billionaires on sports teams, though. Jerry Jones?
Aaron
00:01:02 – 00:01:10
Jerry Jones. Alright. He got it too. Jerry Jones. Famous Dallas Sports Billionaire.
Aaron
00:01:10 – 00:01:21
Yes. We're at we're at this we're at this low little bitty bar. It's at a very nice hotel. I think it's called the Mansion Hotel, which, obviously, we don't stay at because we live here in Dallas. But Mhmm.
Aaron
00:01:21 – 00:01:42
They have this, like, fancy bar where there's live jazz, and that's what Jennifer wanted to do for her birthday. So we're out. We're listening to live jazz, and I kid you not, like, 18 inches, two feet away from me, old man walks by, and I look, and it's Jerry freaking Jones. Jerry Jones walks in, and I look him up on my phone. $17,000,000,000 net worth.
Aaron
00:01:42 – 00:01:56
Trying to tell Jennifer how much money he had. And he just goes and sits at a table with three other friends, and, you know, he's wearing a suit, of course. And there's a big old bodyguard standing next to him. He's like, I'm ask you that. I'm watching him ask people to move away from his table.
Aaron
00:01:56 – 00:02:02
It's like this little bitty bar, and this guy's like, you gotta move. But, yeah, he just hung out and chilled with his friends.
Ian
00:02:02 – 00:02:04
Gotta have a bodyguard if you're a billionaire. You know?
Aaron
00:02:04 – 00:02:06
Gotta have a bodyguard. Yeah.
Ian
00:02:06 – 00:02:17
I know, I'm, I've been in the presence of a billionaire quite a few times because one of Jamie's high school friends is married to a billionaire. Oh, wow. Yeah. And he's he's really old. He invented the hedge fund, like, legit invented the hedge fund.
Ian
00:02:17 – 00:02:18
Oh, wow. Well, I
Aaron
00:02:18 – 00:02:19
don't think he's ever
Ian
00:02:19 – 00:02:33
gone anywhere with a bodyguard, but he's one of these guys who, like, everybody in finance would know his name and probably would even know him. Right? But, like, the average drunk guy in the street doesn't know him. You know? So I don't think he really doesn't really do the bodyguard thing as far as I'm even aware.
Aaron
00:02:33 – 00:02:54
That's the ideal that's the ideal way to be rich is nobody knows really who you are. I think of all the of all the famous people, like musicians, athletes, actors, that kind of stuff, I feel like Jack Johnson is probably right where you wanna be. Or Johnson. Or, like, the drummer from Coldplay. You know?
Aaron
00:02:54 – 00:02:56
Because, like, Jack
Ian
00:02:56 – 00:02:58
Johnson groupies and all the money.
Aaron
00:02:58 – 00:03:07
Yeah. Jack Johnson can walk down the street, and nobody's gonna know who he is except maybe, like, some surfer, and he's Die hard or whatever. Hey, Jack. You'd be like, hey, man. How's it going?
Aaron
00:03:07 – 00:03:17
And that's it. You know? Same for, I feel like, probably the drummer from Coldplay can walk down can go into a grocery store and not be just, like, mobbed. You know?
Ian
00:03:17 – 00:03:37
Yeah. I think there's that's, like, obviously, the ultimate. It's, like, mega rich, famous when you want to be, like, you can make stuff happen, but, you could also just be yourself whenever you wanna just be yourself in a public place. And that's fine. I feel like a step down from that, but still good would be like, like, happy famous.
Ian
00:03:37 – 00:03:38
You know, like, everybody loves you famous.
Aaron
00:03:38 – 00:03:39
Like, I'm
Ian
00:03:39 – 00:03:40
thinking, like, Tony Hawk
Aaron
00:03:40 – 00:03:41
Yes.
Ian
00:03:41 – 00:03:43
Or, or Tom Hanks.
Aaron
00:03:43 – 00:03:46
Yeah. Yeah. Tom Hanks. Martin Martin Short.
Ian
00:03:46 – 00:03:49
Like, nobody's coming up to them and, like, I'm gonna punch you in the face. You know what
Aaron
00:03:49 – 00:03:49
I mean? Like, they're
Ian
00:03:49 – 00:04:01
just they love them. Everybody loves them. And, no, I think Tom Hanks actually got hooked up with some weird conspiracy stuff, you know, against him, not by him. So I don't know if that's true of him anymore. But in general, there's this group being a people
Aaron
00:04:02 – 00:04:08
zero for COVID, like, in in public's mind. So that didn't, you know, end up going well for him.
Ian
00:04:08 – 00:04:16
So, anyway, but, yeah, that's, like, the next level of, like, ah, well, people recognize me, but at least, like, they're just, like, hey. They're yelling cool stuff at me, and it's fine and whatever.
Aaron
00:04:17 – 00:04:20
I love how people yell cool stuff at me. That is that is the ideal.
Ian
00:04:20 – 00:04:28
Then you just have Jerry Jones. Like, everybody hates you. You haven't won in a million years. You know? Like, people are mad sports fans are mad at you and hunting you down for
Aaron
00:04:28 – 00:04:46
And you're a scumbag, so everybody's kinda mad at you. I did see, I did see Martin Short in an airport one time. He was he was going through, you know, the rich person's line, and I was standing out with the cattle. And he walked by, and I just I don't know why, but I just said, Martin. Like, no.
Aaron
00:04:46 – 00:04:51
Hey. Is Martin short? I just said, Martin. And he looked over at me, and I just stared at him and gave him a thumbs up. Yeah.
Aaron
00:04:51 – 00:04:53
Give me a thumbs up back. That's
Ian
00:04:53 – 00:04:56
a nice level of, like, bothering a famous person. You know?
Aaron
00:04:56 – 00:04:56
Like, I'm
Ian
00:04:56 – 00:05:02
not asking for your time. I don't want your autograph. We don't have to do a selfie. Just like, you're cool.
Aaron
00:05:02 – 00:05:07
You're cool. I know you. So there you go. There's my billionaire story for the weekend.
Ian
00:05:07 – 00:05:25
I I haven't had many of these, famous people encounters, I have to say. Like, remember when I was really young, like early, maybe even like late teens, early twenties, went to New York City One night and they were filming an episode of The Nanny. Don't know if you remember that show, The Nanny. It's like Fran Drescher. Yes.
Ian
00:05:25 – 00:05:33
But for sure. I must it was going on. The show was on, so I must have been a teenager, actually. We must have been there when I was, like, 17 or something. And so that was kind of a thing.
Ian
00:05:33 – 00:05:37
I don't know how many famous person stories to say. Little bummer.
Aaron
00:05:38 – 00:05:43
I shook T. Boone Pickens' hand once. Yeah. First billion is the artist.
Ian
00:05:43 – 00:05:45
Yeah. Yeah.
Aaron
00:05:45 – 00:06:00
I went to some some talk he was doing somewhere, and afterwards, I walked up and shook his hand, and I think he might have signed I actually have his book, The First Billion is the Hardest. He might have signed it. I don't remember, but I feel like that's the other famous person I've
Ian
00:06:00 – 00:06:06
met. So we were at, I I did the PHP NYC meetup
Aaron
00:06:06 – 00:06:16
last week. I saw all across all of my podcast feeds this morning. Bonus episode. PHP NYC. Like, 06:00.
Aaron
00:06:16 – 00:06:16
Yes.
Ian
00:06:16 – 00:06:21
That's kinda funny. It's just like people's podcast players are just overrun with the same exact,
Aaron
00:06:21 – 00:06:23
same exact media file. Yeah.
Ian
00:06:23 – 00:06:24
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Aaron
00:06:24 – 00:06:26
Well, how was it? It was good. They only came out an hour
Ian
00:06:26 – 00:06:28
ago, so you haven't even listened yet. I haven't even
Aaron
00:06:28 – 00:06:29
listened to it.
Ian
00:06:29 – 00:06:31
It was good. We had some Aaron Francis talk, which is always fun.
Aaron
00:06:31 – 00:06:35
We love it. We love, personally, I love an Aaron Francis segment. We got to
Ian
00:06:35 – 00:06:36
close now with an Aaron Francis
Aaron
00:06:36 – 00:06:38
segment. That's great. Love that
Ian
00:06:38 – 00:06:53
for me. We had some audio issues, but my understanding is producer Dave resurrected it from the, the grave. And, so yeah, I think people like that was really fun. Great meetup. I also, afterwards, I was at Zillow, which was cool.
Ian
00:06:53 – 00:07:08
Like, you know, it's like, I'm so detached kind of from like tech startup scene at this point. You know? It's like I have my little office in my little town. I work from home a chunk of the time, whatever. And you just go to, like, Zillow's New York City offices, and it's, like, multiple floors.
Ian
00:07:09 – 00:07:17
We're in this room with, like, 320 inches televisions hanging on the screen. And, like, you know, they have soft seating and, like, you know Sodas?
Aaron
00:07:17 – 00:07:19
You get some free sodas?
Ian
00:07:19 – 00:07:20
Oh, oh, we had killed
Aaron
00:07:20 – 00:07:21
the free sodas.
Ian
00:07:21 – 00:07:25
Jeez. Those people came in the next morning to restock the sodas. They were like, what the hell happened in here?
Aaron
00:07:25 – 00:07:30
Wait. Wait. You gotta get a return to office mandate here at Checkered Studios. I gotta get back in there, man.
Ian
00:07:30 – 00:07:39
Yeah. It was great. So so I was, like, just, it's been a while since I was at that kind of space. I was like, oh, man. Maybe I should've gotten help a lot bigger.
Ian
00:07:39 – 00:07:43
We could have a a big office with snacks. You know? Not many snacks here.
Aaron
00:07:43 – 00:07:47
But anyway You can if you'd gotten bigger, you could have a bodyguard right now.
Ian
00:07:47 – 00:07:48
Right now, you're walking around.
Aaron
00:07:48 – 00:07:49
You're exposed.
Ian
00:07:49 – 00:07:57
That would be awesome. If I'd gotten bigger, I wouldn't have to work an extra ten years because of my four zero one k today. Wow. Yeah. Oh, good night too.
Aaron
00:07:57 – 00:07:58
You know? Not great.
Ian
00:07:58 – 00:08:13
Not great. But, anyway, so we're at Zillow. We're doing the thing. Good talk. I mean, one of the talks was about a guy it was a guy who made a PHP package, which he turned into a PHP extension for doing poker odds.
Ian
00:08:13 – 00:08:16
I mean, is it, like, faith that I'm at this event for once?
Aaron
00:08:16 – 00:08:17
That talk was made for you.
Ian
00:08:17 – 00:08:32
Oh, it was great. And then, we stayed at late. Some of us, we did a podcast, whichever we'll be hearing. And, yeah, then then we went for drinks at the jazz club Good choice. You, in my hotel lobby, which is a funny story.
Ian
00:08:32 – 00:08:35
This the world's messed up, man. The world's messed up.
Aaron
00:08:35 – 00:08:36
That much we know.
Ian
00:08:36 – 00:08:37
So we got there.
Aaron
00:08:37 – 00:08:42
Why don't they just play the notes? Is this a jazz rant, or or is this something else?
Ian
00:08:42 – 00:08:43
I think it's part of the whole thing.
Aaron
00:08:43 – 00:08:44
I'm with you on
Ian
00:08:44 – 00:08:44
a jazz.
Aaron
00:08:45 – 00:08:48
Just just resolve it. Resolve the song. Yeah. So we get in there. No.
Aaron
00:08:48 – 00:08:49
No.
Ian
00:08:49 – 00:08:57
It's even worse than that because it's midnight, which midnight in New York City is not that late. Okay? It's not that late. And it's a hotel bar. Okay?
Ian
00:08:57 – 00:09:06
So I'm gonna understand. It's like, whatever. It's a hotel bar, but I still think midnight, you gotta be open later than midnight. So they're like, we're shutting down. The people had already stopped playing.
Ian
00:09:06 – 00:09:18
Okay? So they had some jazz playing off some CD or whatever, streaming service or whatever they got back there, but there's no humans there playing anymore. And then this is what pissed me off. So they're like, we I don't like this at all. They started to clean the bar.
Ian
00:09:18 – 00:09:25
So they're like so, like, they don't wanna serve us drinks. They're like, oh, you can have a beer. And I and nobody wanted a beer. Is this
Aaron
00:09:25 – 00:09:26
before midnight?
Ian
00:09:26 – 00:09:38
I mean, it's like a it was a little after midnight or whatever, but they were they were still letting you walk in, but it wasn't close. Like, they didn't shut the door. So, like, we went in, but then they're not serving everything they sell. They're only serving
Aaron
00:09:38 – 00:09:39
Okay.
Ian
00:09:39 – 00:09:45
Alright. You know, things they can just throw at you. Right? Not, like, anything that's gonna make anything dirty, I guess. I don't know.
Ian
00:09:45 – 00:09:45
It just really rubbed me
Aaron
00:09:45 – 00:09:46
the wrong way. So then
Ian
00:09:46 – 00:09:54
I just did the New York City thing, and I'm like, listen. I go to the bartender. I was like, I will give you a huge tip. Can you just make it happen?
Aaron
00:09:54 – 00:09:55
Bribery, the New York City thing.
Ian
00:09:55 – 00:10:02
Bribery. Yes. So I'm going to bribe you to dirty four, you know, glasses.
Aaron
00:10:02 – 00:10:03
Right.
Ian
00:10:03 – 00:10:13
And, like, I mean, the alcohol's back. I mean, there can't be that much for this. So he begrudgingly sort of grunts at me. The waitress is like, well, he'll he'll do, you know, old fashioned for you. I was like, okay.
Ian
00:10:13 – 00:10:16
Fine. And then he delivers us literally the worst old fashioned I've ever
Aaron
00:10:16 – 00:10:17
had in
Ian
00:10:17 – 00:10:17
my life.
Aaron
00:10:17 – 00:10:19
I'm, like So surprised to hear this.
Ian
00:10:19 – 00:10:26
Worst old fashioned I've ever had. There's probably spitting it. Like, I mean, it tasted like dishwater. It was terrible. Very mad.
Ian
00:10:26 – 00:10:34
Very mad. The whole thing was not good in that regard. And we had a nice little time while chatting, so that was fine. But I was very irked about the setup. It's not you know?
Ian
00:10:34 – 00:10:37
In the old days, if you tip somebody nicely,
Aaron
00:10:37 – 00:10:40
you got Well, you used to be a country. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I thought we'd go back
Ian
00:10:40 – 00:10:42
to that. But now we're
Aaron
00:10:42 – 00:10:43
Yeah. Well, in some ways
Ian
00:10:44 – 00:10:50
We're trying to go back to the fifties. Tipping somebody big should freaking get you some shit. Like, that that is the point here.
Aaron
00:10:50 – 00:10:54
Let's produce some steel, bribe some people, go back to the glory. Yes.
Ian
00:10:54 – 00:10:55
Here's my problem. Doing it or we're not?
Aaron
00:10:55 – 00:11:11
Here's here's my problem. I hate I hate a premature close. Right? If I'm going in if I'm going into if I'm going into, Chick fil A and it says you close at 9PM and I go in at 08:45 and you're mad that I'm there.
Ian
00:11:11 – 00:11:11
Yeah.
Aaron
00:11:11 – 00:11:18
I'm mad that you're mad. What do you want me to do? What do you want me to do? It says on the window, 09:00. It's 08:45.
Aaron
00:11:18 – 00:11:23
I want some chicken nugs. Like, that I'm so sorry. Like, I get it.
Ian
00:11:23 – 00:11:24
It sucks.
Aaron
00:11:24 – 00:11:30
It sucks that you have to close a restaurant. But don't be mad at me for coming before the restaurant is closed.
Ian
00:11:30 – 00:11:34
And you can't fool me. I worked in retail. Your hours fool me.
Aaron
00:11:34 – 00:11:36
Me once. Shame on me.
Ian
00:11:36 – 00:11:43
Time on the door. It's not like at the time in the door, you run out. Like, no. You are scheduled for beyond the time on the
Aaron
00:11:43 – 00:11:44
door. Yeah.
Ian
00:11:44 – 00:11:49
That is how it works because you have to clean up. Everybody knows you have to reset and clean up whatever it is. It's a restaurant. It's a
Aaron
00:11:50 – 00:12:06
And listen. I'm I'm not I'm not walking into a TGI Fridays or Chili's at 08:59, and I know that you close at nine. And I'm asking to be seated, and I'm gonna order, you know, I'm gonna order whatever they have at TGI Fridays. Potato skins, loaded potato skins, probably. I'm not doing that.
Aaron
00:12:06 – 00:12:11
I'm going to Chick fil A fifteen minutes before it closes. Yeah. You got the chicken back there.
Ian
00:12:11 – 00:12:13
Like It takes you one second. Let's do
Aaron
00:12:13 – 00:12:15
it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Especially at Chick fil A.
Ian
00:12:15 – 00:12:18
Question. I thought their whole thing is they're, like, ultra nice, and they
Aaron
00:12:18 – 00:12:19
have to
Ian
00:12:19 – 00:12:20
take your order.
Aaron
00:12:21 – 00:12:33
This may be the opposite of stolen valor. I might be putting bad things on them that actually belong to McDonald's. I don't remember. But here's my question. Did it on the window say midnight, like, we close at midnight, and you're ordering drinks past midnight?
Aaron
00:12:33 – 00:12:36
Because then I'm on I'm on the side
Ian
00:12:36 – 00:12:41
of the bar. Thing. Like, it's like the hotel bars. No. There wasn't even there was no hours put anywhere.
Ian
00:12:41 – 00:12:50
It was open. The door was not closed. We walked in. She's like, okay. Well, we're we're kinda sorta cleaning up, so but we can serve you a beer.
Ian
00:12:50 – 00:12:55
I don't know. Just, like, shut the door. Shut the door. You don't wanna serve me everything back there. Shut the door.
Ian
00:12:55 – 00:13:02
I think you can still clean up. Okay. It's not like we came in with 40 people, and we're like, oh, man. We're taking over for two hours. Like, it's four guys or whatever it was.
Aaron
00:13:03 – 00:13:08
So we might we might have a procedural infraction at the very least. They should've shut the doors.
Ian
00:13:08 – 00:13:15
I think so. Yes. You shut the doors and be like, oh, we're closed. Or even if we try to walk in, be like, oh, we're closed. It's just the people in here finishing up their drinks.
Ian
00:13:15 – 00:13:20
That's it. I mean, I think this is horrible customer service, and you're in a hospitality thing, and they've been New
Aaron
00:13:20 – 00:13:24
York City. New York City, that's just a mob front. That's all it is that's in there.
Ian
00:13:25 – 00:13:28
Oh, man. There was so much good New York City stuff. I was missing you there. I was like, I need air
Aaron
00:13:28 – 00:13:28
in here.
Ian
00:13:28 – 00:13:31
He's missing all the juice. You woulda loved this beat up.
Aaron
00:13:31 – 00:13:43
I'm sorry I missed all the juice. Well You didn't miss him. I have to I can't I can't fully endorse your position because I don't know the rule, like, the closing hours. Sure. It's unclear, but I I'm leaning Ian on this one, I'll say.
Aaron
00:13:43 – 00:13:49
I'm leaning Ian. Like, if you wanna close if you wanna close the bar, shut the doors. That's a pretty that's a good stance. I like that stance.
Ian
00:13:49 – 00:13:51
And if I offer you a large bribe
Aaron
00:13:51 – 00:13:53
to pour a bribe anything.
Ian
00:13:53 – 00:14:00
Yes. Anything goes. Yes. A bride back in the day used to get you way more than just a couple drinks of alcohol. Now
Aaron
00:14:00 – 00:14:06
That's inflation. The bare minimum here. That's that's a bad economy. Alright. What else you got?
Aaron
00:14:07 – 00:14:10
We got some we got some follow ups to do. You've been gone.
Ian
00:14:11 – 00:14:12
Yeah. Let's do follow ups.
Aaron
00:14:12 – 00:14:19
You've been you've been gone for a little while. So we had a Jordan Goll episode.
Ian
00:14:19 – 00:14:21
Yeah. It's a good episode. Very good episode.
Aaron
00:14:21 – 00:14:24
We had an Adam episode. It's a good episode.
Ian
00:14:24 – 00:14:25
Very happy with that episode.
Aaron
00:14:25 – 00:14:29
Do you wanna which ones do you wanna follow-up? Or do you have any follow ups on either? We can lump them all in.
Ian
00:14:29 – 00:14:40
I had follow ups on both. And now it's been now it's been a few minutes, and I'm like, oh, what were my follow ups? But, alright. Jordan yeah. I think that was all really good stuff.
Ian
00:14:41 – 00:14:42
Man, I really had a Jordan follow-up too.
Aaron
00:14:42 – 00:14:47
No. Wow. You put Jordan to follow-up on the board, and now you're just swinging the message here.
Ian
00:14:47 – 00:14:51
Didn't I put the notes on there from what I wanted to say. But too
Aaron
00:14:51 – 00:14:53
many bartenders. You lost your full train
Ian
00:14:53 – 00:15:01
of thought. Oh, man. I don't know. Like, I thought it was, it was great hearing his story, all the stuff with Rose.
Aaron
00:15:01 – 00:15:03
No. No. No. You're looking for it. You've got no idea.
Aaron
00:15:03 – 00:15:04
You've got no clue.
Ian
00:15:04 – 00:15:10
We would not agree with you. Talking about your stuff. What was the thing he said about your stuff? Because there was something towards the end, actually, that I'd signed
Aaron
00:15:10 – 00:15:12
up for him. Yeah. We're getting somewhere. We're getting somewhere. Yeah.
Aaron
00:15:12 – 00:15:13
I'll figure
Ian
00:15:13 – 00:15:13
that out.
Aaron
00:15:13 – 00:15:15
Alright. Alright. He asked, guess what the business model was
Ian
00:15:15 – 00:15:16
Right.
Aaron
00:15:16 – 00:15:19
When I told him. That was Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty right down the middle. You knew that one already.
Aaron
00:15:19 – 00:15:22
That's interesting. Okay. Alright. Alright. We're finding it.
Aaron
00:15:22 – 00:15:25
Well, Vamp, let's see. Yeah. I got nothing.
Ian
00:15:25 – 00:15:28
Yeah. I don't know. Alright. Let's push ahead. It was a good episode.
Ian
00:15:28 – 00:15:29
I like that.
Aaron
00:15:29 – 00:15:33
Oh, man. You gotta write it down next time. I didn't write it down. Believable. Alright.
Aaron
00:15:33 – 00:15:38
Did you have do you wanna talk about the Adam episode, or should we just skate past it because you've got no idea what I'm
Ian
00:15:38 – 00:15:43
talking about? No. I listened to all these, and I Adam one I mean, Adam was mostly I feel
Aaron
00:15:43 – 00:15:44
like it was primarily about his
Ian
00:15:44 – 00:15:45
stuff. It was.
Aaron
00:15:45 – 00:15:45
And I
Ian
00:15:45 – 00:15:49
think I think you kind of nailed that. Like, I felt like It
Aaron
00:15:49 – 00:15:54
was, like, 30% therapy session, maybe 40. Right. And then I
Ian
00:15:54 – 00:16:02
feel like you hit everything. Yeah. I get that his stuff would, like, their breakout of the podcasts and what they should do there. It is tricky.
Aaron
00:16:02 – 00:16:04
Breakout of the YouTube channels. You're you'll get there.
Ian
00:16:04 – 00:16:06
Yeah. Well, YouTube channels. Yeah.
Aaron
00:16:06 – 00:16:07
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're close. You're just Yeah.
Ian
00:16:07 – 00:16:11
Whatever. Did did he say if he was gonna also make them into podcast? I guess not. He didn't really say that.
Aaron
00:16:11 – 00:16:11
So I
Ian
00:16:11 – 00:16:20
guess he was just gonna he was just gonna have him be be on YouTube. But I guess he's kinda thinking they'll be mostly visual. Like, he's gonna have visual elements there and stuff. Yeah. I don't know.
Ian
00:16:20 – 00:16:34
The Steve, like, if he just wants to work on Tailwind stuff, it seems like Adam should have his own channel and Steve's stuff should just go on Tailwind channel and that the extra channel should be separate. Yep. That seems fun. Like, that Seems I think it was just where you got we're at with it. Right?
Ian
00:16:34 – 00:16:46
And, I was just nodding along. I think that that makes sense to me and seems logical. Like, he's not gonna wanna do the stuff that's, like, when he's forced to Yep. Edit himself for Tailwind.
Aaron
00:16:46 – 00:16:52
That was that was my that was my whole that was my whole line of reasoning is Adam needs to be happy to be productive. So Yeah.
Ian
00:16:52 – 00:16:59
Let's give him a sense of channel. Stuff on Tailwind when he wants to. And Yeah. When he doesn't want to, he doesn't have to. And, don't yeah.
Ian
00:16:59 – 00:17:08
Yeah. I think it's hard to do those kind of things for, like, purely for the business. You know? It's like he still needs his own space to do weird stuff in.
Aaron
00:17:08 – 00:17:08
He does.
Ian
00:17:08 – 00:17:17
That isn't necessarily, you know, doesn't have to be ROI, directed. You know? So yeah. But yeah. No.
Ian
00:17:17 – 00:17:23
I thought they were they were great ups, and it's nice. A little pod vacation, but now I'm back. I'm ready.
Aaron
00:17:23 – 00:17:29
Well, I'm sorry I sprung this question about the pod recaps on you when you put recap the pods on the board. So that
Ian
00:17:29 – 00:17:31
that feels like notes.
Aaron
00:17:31 – 00:17:34
That feels like a hoisted by your own batard situation there. But
Ian
00:17:34 – 00:17:43
Good note taking. Both times, I was in the car, so I wasn't in, like, good note taking zone. I was just listening and Mhmm. Should've done the notes.
Aaron
00:17:43 – 00:17:46
In one year, out the other. Alright. Alright. We
Ian
00:17:46 – 00:17:49
got another guest coming up, though. In in a couple weeks, We gotta cut Who
Aaron
00:17:49 – 00:17:51
we got? Give us give us break the news here.
Ian
00:17:51 – 00:17:53
No. Are we breaking the news, or are we keeping a secret?
Aaron
00:17:53 – 00:17:54
Let's keep it a secret.
Ian
00:17:54 – 00:17:56
Let's keep it a secret. A couple weeks.
Aaron
00:17:56 – 00:17:59
It's very obvious, but let's keep it let's keep it a secret.
Ian
00:17:59 – 00:18:00
Someone no one would expect.
Aaron
00:18:00 – 00:18:02
Yeah. Exactly. But we'll
Ian
00:18:02 – 00:18:03
both be here for that one.
Aaron
00:18:03 – 00:18:08
We'll both be here Presumably. Hopefully. We'll both we'll both be prepared for that one. It'll be perfect.
Ian
00:18:08 – 00:18:10
So kinda speaking of oh, you got something?
Aaron
00:18:10 – 00:18:12
No. I'm excited for the sew.
Ian
00:18:12 – 00:18:22
Sew? I'm excited about this art you got. So I thought see it? Yeah. I hopped on it there earlier this morning just to see what you're up to since I'm not, you know, always there anymore.
Ian
00:18:22 – 00:18:28
So I wanted to just check it out. And you and Aaron got some art. Like, this is great. Look at this.
Aaron
00:18:28 – 00:18:30
Look at this. Woo hoo. Build it
Ian
00:18:30 – 00:18:31
to cool, baby.
Aaron
00:18:31 – 00:18:34
Look how cool. Very cool. Metal?
Ian
00:18:35 – 00:18:43
It is very metal. Yes. And so I'm a big black and white guy. As you might know, most of my photos I take are black and white, especially when they share like my white
Aaron
00:18:43 – 00:18:45
to see what you are up to.
Ian
00:18:47 – 00:18:58
So I like my black and white photography. As soon as I saw that, I was like, damn. That is a good piece of art. I like the subject. Like, it's I like how it's, like, centered focused there and, like but you got the staircase.
Ian
00:18:58 – 00:19:06
You got the dudes. You got stuff going on. Like, it's a really nice piece of art there. So and you're hanging it. It's, I guess, on the sidewall there?
Aaron
00:19:06 – 00:19:23
Or Yeah. So right now, it's just resting. I don't know if I'll, I don't know if I'll replace anything and, like, move stuff around or if I'll just, like, expand out off a frame. But, yeah, I'm, I'm thrilled to death with it. I think it's amazing.
Aaron
00:19:23 – 00:19:23
So Did
Ian
00:19:23 – 00:19:24
you pick this up?
Aaron
00:19:25 – 00:20:05
So this guy, Gustave Dore, very prolific, artist French from the eighteen hundreds, I think. Lots of, like, like, wood wood carvings, and then I think they print off of that. And so that's why it looks all you'll have producer Dave will have a link to it in the show notes, but that's why it looks all kinda, like, striated because it was, like, carved. And so found this on just somewhere in the public domain, some, like, art preservation institute, whatever whatever, downloaded it, uploaded it to Framebridge.com, clicked a bunch of buttons, and four days later, it was here. They printed it.
Aaron
00:20:05 – 00:20:09
They framed it. They shipped it. It's great. I love it so much. So Amazing.
Aaron
00:20:10 – 00:20:21
This one behind me is Framebridge. That one's Framebridge. That one's Framebridge. That one's Framebridge. They're all basically, everything framed in here except for that tweet above my head is is Framebridge.
Aaron
00:20:21 – 00:20:33
And so, yeah, super cool, super metal. Love the old school biblical art that's like, be fearful of God. I'm like, oh, that's kinda cool. I love that.
Ian
00:20:33 – 00:20:37
This is this is for the podcast listeners. This is the resurrection of Lazarus.
Aaron
00:20:37 – 00:20:40
Yes. The title of the piece. The resurrection of Lazarus. And it's That's
Ian
00:20:40 – 00:20:41
what it depicts.
Aaron
00:20:41 – 00:20:46
As Ian said, there's some guys. In fact, one of the guys is Lazarus. One of the other guys is Alright.
Ian
00:20:46 – 00:20:49
He's in the sea. Guys. Yeah. Whole main characters.
Aaron
00:20:49 – 00:20:55
Some pretty big guys there. And, you know, he's standing up outside the tomb with his arms raised. It's like, oh,
Ian
00:20:55 – 00:20:56
he's been resurrected.
Aaron
00:20:56 – 00:21:09
Man. Yeah. It's very cool. So I have a friend who has, the valley of dry bones, a Gustave Dore print, and it's like it's like three times the size of this one. It's like, you know, four feet.
Aaron
00:21:09 – 00:21:21
You're really close enough. It's yeah. It's framed on his mantle, and it's this, like, old school, you know, standing in the valley of skeletons, and then there's an angel above him. It's just so metal. And so I thought, hey.
Aaron
00:21:21 – 00:21:26
I like some artwork. Let's put some in here. And I like the story of Lazarus. So pretty cool.
Ian
00:21:26 – 00:21:47
It's very cool. I was, quite taken with it. I, yeah, I like that old art. I took art history in college, and we did a lot of, like, obviously, all your kinda renaissance y, pre renaissance y kind of biblical art stuff. Also as well, the best part of that class was actually all the parts of a church and, like, looking through the old Cool.
Ian
00:21:47 – 00:21:55
Churches and, like, you know, whatever, all the different formal names for all the different, parts of, of a church and everything. But,
Aaron
00:21:55 – 00:21:58
We used to build great churches. Actually, not we.
Ian
00:21:58 – 00:22:00
No. Yeah. Not us. But in Europe, they did.
Aaron
00:22:00 – 00:22:01
Yeah. Our friends across the pond
Ian
00:22:01 – 00:22:07
used to build great churches. Yeah. And then we'd spent a lot of time in the, the Louvre, which has pretty
Aaron
00:22:07 – 00:22:08
good Cool.
Ian
00:22:09 – 00:22:12
Yeah. So very cool. I like it. Yes. I like the black and white.
Ian
00:22:13 – 00:22:19
Yeah. I would think the original wood would be cool. Maybe Oh, man. When you hit billionaire status, you can acquire the original.
Aaron
00:22:19 – 00:22:31
I I might because I'll be an interesting billionaire. All these billionaires right now have no imagination. I'll be the most interesting billionaire ever. So maybe I'll do it. I think somebody replied and said that they saw they found the original.
Aaron
00:22:31 – 00:22:34
It was 1,200,000, which is reasonable. I
Ian
00:22:34 – 00:22:35
can get that.
Aaron
00:22:35 – 00:22:43
I can get that. I don't I I can't do it right now, but, you know, once once once the old stock market returns, it'll be fine. It'll be fine. It'll be great.
Ian
00:22:44 – 00:22:45
No problem
Aaron
00:22:45 – 00:22:45
coming up
Ian
00:22:45 – 00:22:45
with that case.
Aaron
00:22:45 – 00:22:52
No problems. So probably not gonna acquire the original, original print one day.
Ian
00:22:52 – 00:22:56
What about you create one? Carve your own.
Aaron
00:22:56 – 00:22:57
Now that's thinking. Okay.
Ian
00:22:57 – 00:22:58
There we go.
Aaron
00:22:58 – 00:23:02
Alright. Here's something. I could I could do this.
Ian
00:23:02 – 00:23:04
You're looking for a project? You love projects.
Aaron
00:23:04 – 00:23:08
Steve, turn off this part of the podcast. Don't listen to this part.
Ian
00:23:08 – 00:23:15
You can have a little you could still have hobbies, something you can do for yourself. Like, see, don't turn it into a business. Don't turn it into
Aaron
00:23:15 – 00:23:18
a 30,000 of these. No. No. It's already a business.
Ian
00:23:19 – 00:23:21
Buy them. You could just win that for yourself.
Aaron
00:23:21 – 00:23:27
No. I could for me. I could do I could get an XCarve, which is like a a CNC, like a desktop CNC.
Ian
00:23:27 – 00:23:28
Okay. I
Aaron
00:23:28 – 00:23:39
can get an XCarve, like, easily I mean, it's just it's just stealing at this point. But I could easily take his his print Yeah. And turn it into a wood carving path, wood carve it, and then print my own.
Ian
00:23:39 – 00:23:46
Man, I didn't even, like, consider that this is a thing that exists, but, of course, it's a thing that exists. Like, you can just carve wood with a laser.
Aaron
00:23:46 – 00:23:51
I think we I think we just described forgery and or fraud, but I can do this.
Ian
00:23:51 – 00:23:55
No. Don't you know anything before a hundred years ago, you could do whatever you want with. Like, it's only That
Aaron
00:23:55 – 00:23:55
is true.
Ian
00:23:55 – 00:23:57
You know? It's just it's all fair game.
Aaron
00:23:57 – 00:24:02
That is a good point. Now this is interesting. I've always wanted a project for a CNC.
Ian
00:24:03 – 00:24:08
I think you should do this. How much would be so you need one big enough. You don't wanna make, like, a little tiny.
Aaron
00:24:08 – 00:24:09
Oh, no. That would be embarrassing.
Ian
00:24:09 – 00:24:12
Imagine. In particular has a lot of detail. Like, it needs to be a certain size.
Aaron
00:24:12 – 00:24:13
I think you can get
Ian
00:24:13 – 00:24:14
detail out.
Aaron
00:24:14 – 00:24:21
I think these X Carves, you can get, like, three by three beds or four by four beds, which is pretty big. Like, four by four feet?
Ian
00:24:21 – 00:24:23
Yeah. Oh, shit. That's really big.
Aaron
00:24:23 – 00:24:30
The the Avid CNCs will do a whole sheet good, so they'll do four by eight. Oh, okay. Those are, like, $9,000. So it'd
Ian
00:24:30 – 00:24:32
be, like, kind of a pretty big spot to buy.
Aaron
00:24:32 – 00:24:35
Yeah. I got it. Then we're we're back to digging a garage at that point. So
Ian
00:24:36 – 00:24:40
Yeah. That's good. I like it.
Aaron
00:24:40 – 00:24:40
This is good.
Ian
00:24:41 – 00:24:48
You could you could sell them, I guess. You could sell some stuff maybe. If it's just, like, automated, it's like, yeah. Buy a wooden resurrection of Lazarus. Why not?
Aaron
00:24:48 – 00:24:50
Why not? A reproduction print.
Ian
00:24:51 – 00:25:04
Of you having, like, a whole, like, reproduction of biblical art section of the Aaron Francis website. It's just like I sell e online courses for
Aaron
00:25:04 – 00:25:06
databases, and I
Ian
00:25:06 – 00:25:10
do YouTube videos, and I sell wood carved biblical art. Like I
Aaron
00:25:10 – 00:25:13
sell I sell ripoffs of old biblical art.
Ian
00:25:13 – 00:25:24
And then when you go to that forgeries. When you go to that page, like, it's gotta just be, like, nineteen six looking, like, website piece wood background. Yes. Just mail me
Aaron
00:25:24 – 00:25:25
a check, and I'll send
Ian
00:25:25 – 00:25:29
you a painting. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Check only.
Ian
00:25:30 – 00:25:34
Oh, man. This is the best idea we ever had on here, to be honest with you. I think this
Aaron
00:25:34 – 00:25:42
is the best idea. I don't remember what the idea we had a few weeks ago was where we told people they should be paying for this. That was a good idea. This is this is even better.
Ian
00:25:43 – 00:25:43
This is
Aaron
00:25:43 – 00:25:49
Aaron sets up a a catch me if you can style forgery in his dugout basement.
Ian
00:25:51 – 00:25:52
Oh, I love it.
Aaron
00:25:52 – 00:25:52
That's a
Ian
00:25:52 – 00:25:55
forgery. These are the public domain.
Aaron
00:25:55 – 00:25:58
It's public domain. It's public domain. I'm allowed to do this. You are.
Ian
00:25:59 – 00:26:03
And you don't have to claim it's your own. You'd be like, hey. Gustav Weber. Right? That's the guy who did it.
Ian
00:26:03 – 00:26:09
You're just making reproductions. It's all good. That's right. It's not Mickey Mouse. You can't do Mickey Mouse, but you could do this.
Aaron
00:26:09 – 00:26:10
You can do Mickey Mouse.
Ian
00:26:10 – 00:26:11
No. You can't do Mickey Mouse.
Aaron
00:26:11 – 00:26:13
You can. It's over. It's over?
Ian
00:26:13 – 00:26:16
Yeah. Oh, yeah. It did kinda end. I thought they found some reprieve from that. No.
Ian
00:26:16 – 00:26:17
No. No. No.
Aaron
00:26:17 – 00:26:23
I think it's over. Oh. And then the it came and went, and everybody was like, okay. So I guess copyright doesn't matter that much.
Ian
00:26:23 – 00:26:24
Right. Nobody's trying to
Aaron
00:26:24 – 00:26:26
do Mickey. Nobody else can do anything with it.
Ian
00:26:26 – 00:26:29
If you own an entire brand for the last hundred years, it's
Aaron
00:26:29 – 00:26:31
not that easy to overtake it. Yeah. Exactly.
Ian
00:26:31 – 00:26:33
So you got resurrection of Lazarus
Aaron
00:26:33 – 00:26:34
I got it.
Ian
00:26:34 – 00:26:40
The 10 commandments, Moses coming down Mhmm. And Mickey. Right? Exactly. Those are your three things you start with.
Aaron
00:26:40 – 00:26:47
The hell of an online store. Yeah. Some something for everyone there. D0larnFrancis.com.
Ian
00:26:47 – 00:26:56
So good. And you know you can just get it designed. So what like, who who I love the opportunity to design something that looks old and hysterical. You know? What a great opportunity.
Ian
00:26:57 – 00:26:58
You gotta do it.
Aaron
00:26:58 – 00:27:16
This is a good use of AI. If I could I could rip off all of Disney's characters in the style of Gustave Dore and then have the X Carve carve it, and then I'll print it, and you can get honest to goodness woodblock printings of your favorite Disney characters. I can make many tens of dollars doing this.
Ian
00:27:16 – 00:27:17
Right. Tens of dollars.
Aaron
00:27:17 – 00:27:27
This this could absolutely be worth a couple a couple of dollars or cents an hour. Well, they'll But, hey. We're building in America, baby. So that America today. Manufacturing's coming out.
Aaron
00:27:27 – 00:27:29
Manufacturing in my own garage. I love it.
Ian
00:27:30 – 00:27:31
Starting it in his garage probably.
Aaron
00:27:31 – 00:27:37
Oh, man. Should we, should we should we pay for the show after we talk about all this fraud for a little bit?
Ian
00:27:37 – 00:27:38
Let's We should probably do
Aaron
00:27:38 – 00:27:42
that. Frame back to the straight and narrow. Alright. You pick one. I'll do the other.
Ian
00:27:42 – 00:27:58
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Aaron
00:27:58 – 00:28:14
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Ian
00:28:14 – 00:28:18
Jesse just puts in there for Aaron to say something nice, so that makes it hard for me to do the reads.
Aaron
00:28:18 – 00:28:26
It does because we all know you can't say anything nice, man. You're just yes. You're just gonna say, come on, Jesse. You gotta follow the instructions, Jesse.
Ian
00:28:26 – 00:28:28
So yeah. Yeah. Oh, man.
Aaron
00:28:28 – 00:28:33
He does he does leave that one up to me, which is it was great. We love we love a little, creative freedom. You know?
Ian
00:28:33 – 00:28:37
I mean, that's true. Thank you all. Alright. What do we got now?
Aaron
00:28:37 – 00:28:57
I got, I got two that are both you and both related. Ian's reworking his computer organization, and you're still on Monarch money. And we got a few requests for a little bit more about Monarch money. So Yeah. Let's let's hear are you did you get a new computer, and are you rolling forward, or are you just starting from scratch?
Ian
00:28:57 – 00:29:02
Oh, I got a I mean, I didn't even totally get an I wasn't even thinking that angle. But, yes, I do have a new computer.
Aaron
00:29:02 – 00:29:02
K. So
Ian
00:29:02 – 00:29:11
alright. So I have my my what I had up until this point was a m three MacBook Pro, couple years old, zillion gigabyte. It maxed out RAM.
Aaron
00:29:11 – 00:29:13
Love it. Love being a business owner.
Ian
00:29:13 – 00:29:22
A 28 gigs of RAM or whatever. Great computer. Don't have any trouble with it. It's a little on the heavy side. It's not crazy heavy, but it's a little on the heavy side, little on the thick side.
Ian
00:29:23 – 00:29:35
Carrying it back and forth to the office, kind of annoying. And my interest got peaked. So I was traveling. So I went to Disney traveling with the computer, kind of heavy, like I'm carrying this huge thing through security, whatever, blah, blah.
Aaron
00:29:35 – 00:29:35
And I
Ian
00:29:35 – 00:29:38
saw a thing about the M four MacBook Airs.
Aaron
00:29:38 – 00:29:39
And I was
Ian
00:29:39 – 00:29:45
like, oh, this is intriguing. Now I used to never, I used to just never even consider MacBook Air because I was like, ah, it's 13 inches screen.
Aaron
00:29:45 – 00:29:47
I can't do it with 13 inches screen,
Ian
00:29:47 – 00:29:57
but now they have 15 inches MacBook Airs. So I acquired M four fifteen inches MacBook Air with max out RAM, which is only 32 gigs, but whatever, it's fine. And thing is unbelievably good. I'd say
Aaron
00:29:57 – 00:29:58
It's good?
Ian
00:29:58 – 00:30:13
It's very, very good. I can't even really tell the difference between the MacBook Crona. It's just super fast at everything. And other than the screen being inch smaller, which I would, I would love it to have a 16 inches screen, and still be lighter like it is. But, other than that, it's fine.
Ian
00:30:13 – 00:30:21
Like the 15 inches is fine. Like 13 inches I could not deal with, but the 15 inches it's enough. So it's fine. So So that's where I'm at right now. So now that's my home travel.
Ian
00:30:21 – 00:30:27
I got the MacBook pro at the office. I may You're running two computers? I'm back to two computers, which I
Aaron
00:30:27 – 00:30:27
don't love.
Ian
00:30:27 – 00:30:40
I don't love two computers. It's easier than it used to be because most everything is just like synced in the cloud anyway. So it's not as hard as it was. We got to figure out, well, how do I sync these files between the computers or whatever?
Aaron
00:30:40 – 00:30:41
Like, no, I'm not doing that.
Ian
00:30:41 – 00:31:02
So there is a chance here that I just sell the MacBook pro. I'm kind of debating that it's so much lighter now dragging it back and forth. It's not so bad. I got just like a little tiny bag and drag it back and forth with. So there's a chance I sell them back pro, but for right now I'm running both, which then ties into my organization, which actually made this more doable to run both, which is so I always used a bunch of desktops.
Ian
00:31:02 – 00:31:03
I think that's what you
Aaron
00:31:03 – 00:31:03
call them.
Ian
00:31:03 – 00:31:05
Right? Like, so I had, like, five spaces.
Aaron
00:31:05 – 00:31:06
Or what I think they
Ian
00:31:06 – 00:31:06
used to be
Aaron
00:31:06 – 00:31:07
called spaces.
Ian
00:31:07 – 00:31:19
And I'd like, you know, swipe between them, swipe between but, like, there's so many, it's kind of annoying, like, going, you have to go all the way to the other side. So you go all the way over and it's like six swipes and whatever. So I started using stage manager. I don't know if you ever use stage manager.
Aaron
00:31:19 – 00:31:21
Is this apple or is this third party?
Ian
00:31:21 – 00:31:43
Apple. No, it's apple built in and I think it started on the iPad, but it's basically puts like, it kind of puts the apps. It's like you could make desktops essentially. It's kind of more focused on a single app, but you could have like as many as you want in theory, some place type two or three apps, but, it lets you kind of group them and then they go off to the side. So along the left side, you'll have like groupings of different apps on one desktop.
Ian
00:31:44 – 00:32:09
And so by doing that now I have I'm down to three desktops. Like I have a coding desktop on the left. I have like web browsing kind of general business y stuff center, and then communication is the right desktop. So I can always just go one swipe left to right from my main kind of web browsing desktop, between wherever I have to go. And the communication desktop has like the email and Slack and messaging services, but they're all in different stages.
Ian
00:32:09 – 00:32:17
So I can just bring up the one and just be focused on that. Okay. I'm doing email. I just see email and the other stuff's off to the side. And it's really pretty good.
Ian
00:32:17 – 00:32:25
I'm enjoying the stage manager way more than I thought I would. It's actually very weird. It is weird. I've always avoided it because it seemed weird.
Aaron
00:32:25 – 00:32:26
It's like a
Ian
00:32:26 – 00:32:31
a lot of settings and stuff, which is kinda weird too. It's, like, sort of just works how it works, and you can't do much to change it. But
Aaron
00:32:31 – 00:32:40
It looks like a a dock, but it only shows the apps that are open, and it shows little, like, little screenshots of them instead of just their icons.
Ian
00:32:41 – 00:32:52
Yeah. It is. And it it's it is basically like a dock, but it's sort of just around the running apps, and you can see them, which is kind of useful. It's not a screenshot. It's actually live.
Ian
00:32:52 – 00:32:53
So if stuff changes, you see it
Aaron
00:32:53 – 00:32:54
or That's interesting.
Ian
00:32:54 – 00:33:01
I mean, in other words, like some kind of real time screenshot y thing, but it's like a live view into the app. And I don't know. Just kinda keeps it all organized.
Aaron
00:33:01 – 00:33:05
Not a full screen. I don't know about this. I don't know about this. I'll be honest.
Ian
00:33:05 – 00:33:07
You're not feeling this? It looks
Aaron
00:33:07 – 00:33:09
a little it looks a little cluttery to me.
Ian
00:33:09 – 00:33:20
I don't know. I haven't you know, it's what's un what it's that it's sort of true. It is cluttery, but also now I just really have one app open at a time, but it also doesn't have to be full screen. I don't love the full screen and, like, switching
Aaron
00:33:21 – 00:33:22
Don't I don't like the full screen.
Ian
00:33:22 – 00:33:34
Yeah. So then rather than having, like, all these, like, little windows, I'm going to corners and clicking them. It's like, I just have taken up the whole thing. I'm just focused on that one thing. And then I just switched to the other docked item when I wanna switch to it.
Ian
00:33:34 – 00:33:44
And that takes up the whole screen. So it's actually less cluttery overall. That was my fear about it. I'm like, oh, I'm kind of dedicating the left side space. You can overlap it.
Ian
00:33:44 – 00:33:52
So you don't actually it doesn't have to take up the left side. Like, it could also like, if you totally overlap it, it'll hide. And if you just put the cursor all the way left, it'll come out.
Aaron
00:33:52 – 00:33:53
So Interesting.
Ian
00:33:54 – 00:34:11
That to me then makes it a little too slow. So I'd like to, like, at least have part of them visible so I can, like, get to it. And for most apps, I don't cover them at all, but, like, the code editor does cover them and whatever, stuff like that. But, it's pretty good. I think you should try it.
Ian
00:34:11 – 00:34:24
If you're out there listening, try stage manager if you feel a little cluttery. And I I think it actually declutters, especially with the desktops. You get the multiple desktops. Each one has stages. You can have a lot of stuff going on without feeling, like, the overwhelmed sort of nature of it.
Ian
00:34:24 – 00:34:35
And the other thing I did is I switched to Safari. Oh, wow. Yeah. So this was kind of the other thing with the MacBook Pro is, like, it eats through the battery. Like, I know in theory, it's with a pretty solid battery.
Ian
00:34:35 – 00:34:52
And I don't think it's totally MacBook Pro. I think partially, at least, it's probably with Chrome, which was sort of the impetus that kicked this all off was I first switched to Safari before I did these other things because, like, I'm so tired of having no battery. And let's see if Safari fixes that, and it has been much better on Safari. So that does help.
Aaron
00:34:53 – 00:34:56
Man, I don't think I could leave Chrome. It's just too convenient.
Ian
00:34:56 – 00:35:15
It's Safari is definitely not as good as Chrome. It's not as fast, I would say, at this point, which used to be faster. I'd say it's not as fast now, in a few instances. And, I think I have all the extensions I need. So I think I'm sure the Chrome extension situation's better, but it's fine on Safari.
Ian
00:35:15 – 00:35:29
Mhmm. But I don't know. Like, I'm also trying to just keep less tabs and stuff open. So I, like, I'm actually using the start screen. I've had a cold kinda reorg there, so I'm not, like, with 200 tabs open all the time.
Aaron
00:35:29 – 00:35:38
And how how long what how long are we into this? Because I wanna see how much of this is, like, like, newfound energy, and how much of this is we're gonna keep this.
Ian
00:35:38 – 00:35:39
We're about two weeks into it.
Aaron
00:35:39 – 00:35:40
Oh, it's pretty good. Yeah.
Ian
00:35:40 – 00:35:42
Yeah. Yeah. It's not just like yesterday. It's two
Aaron
00:35:42 – 00:35:43
maybe two
Ian
00:35:43 – 00:35:45
weeks into it. Two or three weeks into it.
Aaron
00:35:45 – 00:35:50
I don't know how you're running two computers. That that just never ever ever works for me.
Ian
00:35:50 – 00:35:59
We'll see how it goes. Right now, I have the stages set up the same. Everything's the same on both of them. There's no way to sync it, which would be, like, super primo. I wish Apple just gave you a, like, hey.
Ian
00:35:59 – 00:36:10
Keep my desktops the same everywhere. It doesn't do that. But, so far it's okay, but we'll see. I, last week I wasn't at the office that much. So, we'll see this week.
Ian
00:36:10 – 00:36:26
I should be here a lot more. So we'll see the annoyance level of going back to the other computer and be like, oh, like that thing's not where I thought it was and all that kind of stuff. But, so far it's okay. So far it's okay. It just sucks when you, like, forget to push some code or things like that.
Ian
00:36:26 – 00:36:30
That tends to be the things that are the most annoying. I get to go, I didn't push that. Now I'm now it's at the office.
Aaron
00:36:31 – 00:36:34
Or, like, you gotta keep your settings in sync between all those different apps.
Ian
00:36:35 – 00:36:42
That part's kinda crappy too. There's probably a better way to do that. I have not researched that, but, like, I mean, a lot of the apps, like, the code editors, some of them have, like, syncing services a lot. I always
Aaron
00:36:42 – 00:36:44
have problems with those.
Ian
00:36:44 – 00:36:59
Like, I don't know. Like, every time I do this, it's like, oh, it should be able to pull PHPStorm should be able to pull down the settings, but then it, like, never is exactly the same. And, like, it's, like, it's ostensibly, the extensions are supposed to be synced, but then they don't actually install. So then, like, I guess you're supposed to install them or something. I don't know.
Ian
00:36:59 – 00:37:15
There is a lot of weird stuff with like how the syncing of those types of things work, which is super annoying. So I don't know. Like I said, I could see that going by the wayside. That's sort of unrelated to the actual reorganization of, the work environment, which I definitely am liking. And I think I'll keep, but we'll see.
Ian
00:37:15 – 00:37:20
Like you said, it's it's still kinda early, but it has so far held up and I have been liking it.
Aaron
00:37:20 – 00:37:23
Well, I need to get an m four at some point. I'm on an m one
Ian
00:37:23 – 00:37:27
still. Oh. I know. You got it. I'm just, like, crawling some
Aaron
00:37:27 – 00:37:30
gravel over here. Do that, like, today before
Ian
00:37:30 – 00:37:31
they go Before
Aaron
00:37:31 – 00:37:35
the m before the tariffs sit. Yeah. Yeah. That one becomes $34,000
Ian
00:37:35 – 00:37:39
by a computer. I would, like, legit buy that today, like, right after the show.
Aaron
00:37:39 – 00:37:40
Damn it.
Ian
00:37:40 – 00:37:47
Yeah. But you should do it. And it's cheap. I mean, like, the m four maxed out. I mean, not cheap cheap, but it's way less than a MacBook Pro.
Ian
00:37:47 – 00:37:53
So, like, I'm I'm in max RAM. I put a dead terabyte of disk, and it was still under 2,000, I think.
Aaron
00:37:53 – 00:38:01
Wow. That's surprising. Yep. Yeah. Apparently, those m fours just rip through video encoding, which would be pretty important for me.
Aaron
00:38:02 – 00:38:23
Yeah. Got it. And I have I have, like, an external enclosure for my capture card, and so I do get a little I get a little bit of offload there. So the camera runs into, like a thunderbolt enclosure that has a a card in it, and then the thunderbolt goes into my computer. So I have to imagine that's doing some work for me.
Ian
00:38:23 – 00:38:27
Yeah. What's that for? Like, what's that just to, like, what's it what's what's in there?
Aaron
00:38:27 – 00:38:54
So I had the Cam Link four k, which is great, which is just a standard HDMI on one side, USB on the other. But then I wanted to start capturing more cameras. So I have a overhead cam that I use sometimes, and this is a, DeckLink quad. And so I can run four HDMI into that, and then it shows up in my computer as four different webcams, which is kinda cool.
Ian
00:38:54 – 00:38:55
That's cool.
Aaron
00:38:55 – 00:38:55
Yeah. That's crazy.
Ian
00:38:55 – 00:38:58
Have you done anything with that yet? I feel like I haven't seen
Aaron
00:38:58 – 00:39:06
over with you. A little bit on livestream overhead where I'm, like, drawing on stuff, but not not in any recorded videos.
Ian
00:39:06 – 00:39:06
Okay.
Aaron
00:39:07 – 00:39:07
Yeah.
Ian
00:39:07 – 00:39:13
Yeah. We gotta do gotta get Casey Neistat on us. Next video, I wanna see you drawing some stuff out and
Aaron
00:39:13 – 00:39:19
I know. Let's let's actually let's talk video. Let's talk Screencasting.com. Okay.
Ian
00:39:19 – 00:39:20
What you got for me?
Aaron
00:39:20 – 00:39:38
It's almost here. Yay. It's almost here. So so far in the can of of, like, things we have done, we've got, how to screencast, which is the main course philosophical, you know, whatever. We've got the, editing with ScreenFlow, which is me teaching.
Aaron
00:39:38 – 00:39:52
So I taught those two. Steve taught editing screencasts in Premiere. That one's done. We've got, an editor that we have been using who's great, has recorded a course editing screencasts in Final Cut Pro. That one's done.
Aaron
00:39:52 – 00:40:05
Then we found a guy online on YouTube who does DaVinci, and so we've got editing screencasts in DaVinci. So we've got five courses done and ready to go. Yeah. Five. That's crazy.
Aaron
00:40:05 – 00:40:05
And
Ian
00:40:05 – 00:40:06
then we've got
Aaron
00:40:07 – 00:40:54
we've got, I think three more in the wings that are that are, in progress. So we've got OBS, Screen Studio, and then, we found somebody on YouTube to do, Camtasia, which is the other big editor. And so I'm still looking for somebody to do Descript because I understand that their, stuff is quite advanced now, and I know nothing about it. But we've got five courses ready to launch, three more on the way, and then we've got some, we've got some digital downloads. So, like, the guy that did the DaVinci course also made a DaVinci plug in for us to, like, automatically edit the face cam into the right position and make it look good and stuff like that.
Aaron
00:40:54 – 00:40:58
Right. And so we'll be selling we'll be selling those digital downloads as well.
Ian
00:40:58 – 00:41:01
So So it comes with the course, or it's, like, a separate thing you bought?
Aaron
00:41:01 – 00:41:11
There's a there will be a bundle that you can bundle the, plug in as well, or you can just buy the course. That'll teach you how to do it. But if you want the easy way out, the plug in's the way to go. Yeah.
Ian
00:41:12 – 00:41:16
Wow. So when Think about all that. That's a lot's got done in a couple weeks here.
Aaron
00:41:16 – 00:41:21
I know. You go you go on one trip or two trips and stuff happens.
Ian
00:41:21 – 00:41:28
Stuff happens. Wow. That's great. So I guess you're gonna do the big launch and all that kind of stuff?
Aaron
00:41:28 – 00:41:32
Yeah. We'll do the launch April, I think, May.
Ian
00:41:32 – 00:41:32
Alright.
Aaron
00:41:32 – 00:41:58
So right now, what's what's left is, I think they're all edited because we have that editor. So I think they're all edited. I think they're all uploaded on CloudFlare already, and so, like, they're in the system. And so all the videos are there. We are just redesigning, the website because Screencasting.com does not currently live on the try hard platform, but we're designing it so that it will.
Aaron
00:41:58 – 00:42:05
And then, I have to finish the billing the billing, and it's just it's just
Ian
00:42:05 – 00:42:07
gonna be forever. You're never done. First of all,
Aaron
00:42:07 – 00:42:07
you're never
Ian
00:42:07 – 00:42:11
supposed to done. You just gotta get shippable, but then you'll have months of work after that.
Aaron
00:42:12 – 00:42:45
It's just so shocking to me that all of these systems are so bad. Like, I get it. They they cater to to, like, the 90% use case, and we're not really in that use case because it's like, hey. We wanna sell courses and downloads and do it all across multiple domains and also, like, do upsells across multiple domains. It's like we're not we're not totally a normal use case, but, man, these these shipping or I'm sorry.
Aaron
00:42:45 – 00:42:48
These, shopping cart solutions are just not great.
Ian
00:42:48 – 00:43:10
But the the thing is that you're not the normal use case in a sense, but I bet you're much more like the successful use cases. I think a lot of people who are successful at this do sell a lot of different things and do have a lot of different courses and do brand them differently. Right? Like like, yes. They're not 90% of, like, your bad customers who, like, I'm gonna build a course.
Ian
00:43:10 – 00:43:31
And then they build a course, and then they sell four copies, and then that customer disappears. And Yeah. You don't have them anymore. Like so you would think they would want to cater to, like, oh, like, these are successful course retailers, and they have more sophisticated needs than the ones that never got past one course. And, Yeah.
Aaron
00:43:31 – 00:43:42
Boy, if I accidentally end up building a course platform, I'm gonna be really bummed. Like, if if this becomes the speed the piece of software that we build, I'm gonna be not
Ian
00:43:42 – 00:43:44
Here's a question for you.
Aaron
00:43:44 – 00:43:44
Okay.
Ian
00:43:45 – 00:43:49
Question. This is this is gonna be so insightful. I love this question
Aaron
00:43:49 – 00:43:49
Oh, no.
Ian
00:43:49 – 00:43:55
Of where your mind's at. Yep. So you're building out this platform. Right? So you can sell your stuff.
Ian
00:43:55 – 00:43:58
Yep. Do you have tenant IDs in the database already?
Aaron
00:43:58 – 00:43:59
We do not.
Ian
00:43:59 – 00:44:01
Okay. So you're building it for yourself right now.
Aaron
00:44:01 – 00:44:02
We're building it for ourselves.
Ian
00:44:02 – 00:44:07
You haven't gone till I have an eye on the future. You're keeping me focused on your stuff. Okay.
Aaron
00:44:07 – 00:44:23
I have I will say I will say part of that is because in the database, each site is basically a tenant. So Postgres will, like, screen casting. It's all kind of, a tenant already. And so
Ian
00:44:23 – 00:44:31
be aggregated. Like, you would wanna aggregate them. If you had other people in there, you would want those together under some bigger account idea. Exactly.
Aaron
00:44:31 – 00:44:38
Yes. So the only thing we could do right now is bring on someone else, and, like, host
Ian
00:44:38 – 00:44:38
Sure.
Aaron
00:44:38 – 00:44:43
You know, one of their sites or something. But, yeah, it would be all mixed up with But that would
Ian
00:44:43 – 00:44:47
be, like, a bespoke. Yeah. That Totally bespoke. Yeah. Somebody you know, you wanna bring them in, that's fine.
Ian
00:44:47 – 00:44:51
But, like, it wouldn't be you couldn't sell it that way. No. No. No. No.
Ian
00:44:51 – 00:44:52
No. Yeah.
Aaron
00:44:52 – 00:45:03
And, you know, I just just don't really want to. I would much I would much rather produce Gustave Dore forgeries than build a course a course platform. I'll I'll say that much.
Ian
00:45:03 – 00:45:11
Alright. So here's a this is a topic I had. I didn't know if we wanted to get into it. I didn't know if I even wanted to get into it, but it kinda relates to this and your stuff. So I'll
Aaron
00:45:11 – 00:45:14
tell you if I wanna get into it. So tell me what it is.
Ian
00:45:14 – 00:45:18
So I'm thinking about these tariffs. Right? I'm thinking about Uh-oh. Recessions. Right?
Ian
00:45:18 – 00:45:27
That's why I didn't start with it because I don't know before I get into it. But Okay. I think there's some interesting stuff to talk about besides in and of itself. Right? The reality is there's gonna be a recession.
Ian
00:45:27 – 00:45:30
Maybe there'll be worse than that, that, but there's definitely gonna be a recession. So I'm
Aaron
00:45:30 – 00:45:33
just gonna say Let's just say upfront that this is financial advice.
Ian
00:45:33 – 00:45:36
This is fine. This this part will be financial advice of a certain
Aaron
00:45:36 – 00:45:40
listen to us and make trades based upon this and hold us personally responsible.
Ian
00:45:41 – 00:45:44
So what do you do as a small software company
Aaron
00:45:44 – 00:45:44
Oh, boy.
Ian
00:45:44 – 00:45:56
Related industry. Right? And it's like, I don't know about if I have a lot of ideas on, like, what you do to survive. I feel like a lot of it happens beforehand, and I kinda wanted to get into the idea of, like, the kind of businesses that survive this sort of thing.
Aaron
00:45:56 – 00:46:01
Okay. I can take that angle. I I will allow this. Let's let's carry on. Let's carry on.
Aaron
00:46:02 – 00:46:05
I'll I'll give you a yellow card if we get too close, but let's carry on.
Ian
00:46:05 – 00:46:15
To me, I feel like one of the key things where like, so we HealthSouth was around for 02/2008 recession. Yeah. And I think there's been a recession somewhere in the 2010 too or whatever. Actually, it was some of our best years. Right.
Ian
00:46:15 – 00:46:29
And whatever. You know, I think there's an element if you want to be selling something that's not easily gotten rid of. Right. That's not easily or not easy to push till later. And things like that.
Ian
00:46:29 – 00:46:49
And so if you're out there trying to start something or you're already in something like in my case, right. It's helped us software. It's hard to not have helped us software. Like you might fire staff and you may use less of our help desk software. But it's hard to just be like, ah, let's save this money because You know, cause the email is coming in from your customers.
Ian
00:46:49 – 00:47:06
So as long as you're still in business, people are going to need help. And as long as you need to organize that help, you're probably gonna need some kind of tool to do it. Right. And so not perfect. Especially now with AI, I think help us summarize some other possible tricky parts we have to navigate, but just big, big picture.
Ian
00:47:06 – 00:47:15
It's like companies aren't going around being like, let's get rid of our help desk software to save money. Right. But that's not true. Consumer stuff is a little trickier. This is what I was thinking about your stuff.
Ian
00:47:15 – 00:47:23
It's like, ah, am I going to buy this course? Like I work at a job. I want to get better at X. Do I want to spend $200 on that right now or not? Right.
Ian
00:47:23 – 00:47:43
With economic uncertainty. And so then that's like, how do you position things you already have? You know, you and the object you have like, you know, how can you sell the businesses? How can you sell? I think screencast.com is actually really cool and like awesome for right now because it's the kind of thing that's like, I think it's a lot different than the database courses.
Ian
00:47:43 – 00:47:51
I think it's, like, people wanna improve on their own, wanna, like, maybe have a side gig, maybe wanna Yes. Maybe there'll be more impetus to do that kind of thing of, like
Aaron
00:47:52 – 00:47:52
It's very this is something
Ian
00:47:53 – 00:48:02
aspirational. Aspirational or even beyond aspirational. Like, now it it was aspirational, but now I'm worried about my job. I'm worried about necessary. Now it might be like, hey.
Ian
00:48:02 – 00:48:15
How do I create some, like, additional income and things like that? Right? So, like, this is something that can help me do that. Whereas, like, the database stuff's a little more like, oh, I'm already a programmer. If I learn this new database or not, I don't know if that's gonna turn into more
Aaron
00:48:15 – 00:48:16
dollars anyway.
Ian
00:48:16 – 00:48:28
Right. The jobs are getting tight. Like, so that's a little different. Now you guys are already started on the angle of like selling it to businesses, which I think is maybe something that like doubled down on like, Hey, maybe instead of those database consultants, you pay your in house staff. I like that.
Ian
00:48:28 – 00:48:36
You could get them trained up on the databases you use and save you all that money you're paying to Percona right now or whoever. Right. So like,
Aaron
00:48:36 – 00:48:37
I like that.
Ian
00:48:37 – 00:49:00
There are angles there for that stuff. So I don't know if you've thought about any of this, but this is the kind of stuff and the stuff I've been thinking about is like, if, and just for people who are out there, it's like, if you're thinking about doing something, like I would not do anything in the consumer and I would not do anything like it doesn't really impact the business. Like if it's tangential, I feel like this is not the time for the tangential sort of startup. This has it has to be something that's deeper. And I know it's gonna save people money.
Ian
00:49:00 – 00:49:06
Like, people will be very hot right now on, like, how does this save me money? So I think, you know, that's probably a good angle. But
Aaron
00:49:06 – 00:49:12
Yeah. I've I've you know, I do think about it a lot. Lots of social fears. Yeah. Yeah.
Aaron
00:49:12 – 00:49:36
I agree with the characterization between the two or the distinction between the two courses or types of courses. I think that's one of the reasons we're leaning into screencasting so heavily right now is it does feel it feels like a a different type of content Yeah. And can, like, can be sold more easily, than some of the database stuff, frankly.
Ian
00:49:36 – 00:49:38
It's it's more actionable
Aaron
00:49:38 – 00:49:38
It is.
Ian
00:49:38 – 00:49:58
If you like. Right? Like, you are teaching me how to do this, and then I will know how to do it Correct. In a way that, like, the programming stuff is like, this is a part of a bigger picture that you would need to then you need this other stuff too, and actually to order you know, in order to do something with it. As in screencasting, it's gonna take you from not knowing how to screencast to knowing how to screencast and edit.
Aaron
00:49:58 – 00:49:59
And yeah. And you don't need
Ian
00:49:59 – 00:50:01
be able to do it.
Aaron
00:50:01 – 00:50:08
You don't need anyone's permission. You don't need to get hired by anyone because you have all this new database. Not no. It's just Right. Now you can go produce your own stuff.
Aaron
00:50:08 – 00:50:30
Yeah. So I do think there's a a more, more direct line to potential value for the, you know, the consumer there. So, yeah, we're trying to we're trying to lean into that pretty heavily and Yeah. Part of that's part of the reason we're going so big on the content. Like, we're, you know, we're paying a good amount of money to these people to, like, produce this content for us.
Aaron
00:50:31 – 00:51:06
But I think that is what I think that is what the opportunity demands. I think this is a big opportunity for us for try hard, and, maybe the timing is going to work out perfectly where everybody's back into grind mode because party's over, and they're thinking, what can I do to, like, make some money? So, yeah, we'll see. But I definitely think about, you know, the looming, apparently great collapse that is coming and thinking, like, well, shoot. I feel like we just barely got our feet under us.
Aaron
00:51:06 – 00:51:11
You know? It's been one year. So, yeah, felt great.
Ian
00:51:12 – 00:51:30
Screencasting to me also has, like, really direct, like, market I mean, like, outside of your circle marketing opportunities, which I think is interesting. Like, I mean, this is, like, begging for, like, Instagram video I know. TikTok video, like, whether it's sliced up portions or probably better, like, dedicated little skits for lack of a
Aaron
00:51:30 – 00:51:31
better word. I don't know what
Ian
00:51:31 – 00:51:54
the right term is, but, I could see you guys really like leaning into that and, yeah, just reaching like new audiences rather than just kind of the core Aaron Francis crew, because it's gonna be a wider That's product. You know? But just having a a larger addressable market is really nice, I think, as well. So yeah.
Aaron
00:51:54 – 00:52:08
I think, unfortunately, I think, unfortunately, I may have to go back into goblin mode after after screen casting is out. I may have to go back in into the lab and do, like, crush out three or four more courses this year.
Ian
00:52:08 – 00:52:09
Oh, you're gonna go that route with it?
Aaron
00:52:09 – 00:52:17
I think so. I mean so there are just some that are just, there are just some that are just so obvious.
Ian
00:52:17 – 00:52:18
They're just missing.
Aaron
00:52:19 – 00:52:27
Yeah. That are missing. I think, like, an indexing course. It's just indexing. Just a short course about database indexing.
Aaron
00:52:28 – 00:52:42
Like, that seems like a no brainer. Intro to Postgres or just enough Postgres, just enough SQLite, just enough MySQL, and then a MySQL course. And then, obviously, I gotta do I gotta do a Laravel course, man. Like, what What the hell are we doing?
Ian
00:52:42 – 00:52:44
It's kinda crazy. You don't have a Laravel course.
Aaron
00:52:44 – 00:52:45
What? What's going on?
Ian
00:52:46 – 00:52:52
Okay. I agree with the Laravel course. I don't know about the other one. I don't know. I'm a little worried about the idea of, like, the beginner entry level stuff
Aaron
00:52:52 – 00:52:53
if I know.
Ian
00:52:53 – 00:53:03
The if the economy goes bad. I don't know. So I don't know. I'd love to see you go goblin mode on, like, Instagram and TikTok for the stuff you already have. Like Yeah.
Ian
00:53:03 – 00:53:21
That's interesting. A month of, like, marketing goblin mode of, like, we are gonna create a hundred different little variations of different ideas, see which ones actually resonate, double down on those more. And, which is some of the stuff you talked about with, with, Jordan. Hey.
Aaron
00:53:21 – 00:53:22
It's coming back. Yeah.
Ian
00:53:22 – 00:53:30
It's all coming back now. That kind of thing like, well, I mean, he was talking about from his perspective, and he's paying people to do it, but you don't need to pay people to do it. You can just do it.
Aaron
00:53:30 – 00:53:35
I don't know. So that's my next question. Do you follow Marshall Haas on, I guess, not on Twitter. I think I
Ian
00:53:35 – 00:53:38
know who he is. He didn't buy some service or something.
Aaron
00:53:38 – 00:53:41
He sold some service. He sold service.
Ian
00:53:41 – 00:53:43
Shepherd or whatever? Is that what
Aaron
00:53:43 – 00:53:53
I'm talking about? Shepherd,then Shepherd, now somewhere, Com. Okay. So mega rich now. And he hired some kid locally.
Aaron
00:53:53 – 00:54:17
I think he's in North Carolina now. He hired some kid locally to come, like, basically record a bunch of short form content and edit it and put it out. And, he just got his first million view thing on TikTok, like, you know, three weeks in. And he's doing a lot of, like you know, he's driving his, you know, sports car his custom sports car around town and giving business advice and whatever. What's he selling?
Ian
00:54:17 – 00:54:18
Or he's just a random I don't know.
Aaron
00:54:18 – 00:54:23
I have no idea. Yeah. I have no idea. Yeah. But I feel like I would need to do that.
Aaron
00:54:23 – 00:54:33
Like, I would need to get somebody who is a TikTok native. I am not a TikTok native. I don't have the app. I don't get it. Like, I just need somebody.
Aaron
00:54:34 – 00:54:43
I need somebody unhinged to come and just, like, record, I don't know, three days worth of content and then give me 50 different edits or a hundred different edits.
Ian
00:54:44 – 00:54:55
Well, but that's still the same idea. Right? Like, hey. We're gonna take a couple weeks. We're gonna hire somebody to come in here for a couple weeks to work with me to, like, spruce me up into TikTok, Aaron, and do whatever that requires.
Ian
00:54:55 – 00:55:01
Right. And do all that stuff. And then yeah. And then yeah. Then courses for sure.
Ian
00:55:01 – 00:55:05
I mean, I think the Laravel one would be a high priority, I would think.
Aaron
00:55:06 – 00:55:06
I know.
Ian
00:55:06 – 00:55:13
But, I don't know. Maybe the index indexing's sorta interesting for sure. It's like a nice discreet thing that people are interested in.
Aaron
00:55:13 – 00:55:16
They could apply across all database flavors, which should be nice.
Ian
00:55:16 – 00:55:18
Yeah. For the most part.
Aaron
00:55:18 – 00:55:34
Yeah. I think I think there is something missing in our catalog at the lower end Mhmm. Of the the market. So Yeah. I think that that could potentially be very lucrative, whether it's good timing, I don't know, but I do know it's missing.
Aaron
00:55:34 – 00:55:44
It's easy. Sure. And with the new, basically, ecommerce platform, I think it's a good, like, a good bundle. Yeah. We gotta fill it up.
Aaron
00:55:44 – 00:55:47
It's a good bundle opportunity, cross sell, whatever.
Ian
00:55:48 – 00:55:58
Mhmm. Wonder if you could, I don't know. There's probably even, like, other things that you could sell at some point too. I I wonder if, like, you got relationships with consultants or something and, like
Aaron
00:55:58 – 00:55:59
Yeah. Maybe.
Ian
00:55:59 – 00:56:06
Cross sell some services or whatever. Never gonna be huge money, though. It's kind of the annoying part of that, but it could be a little something like referrals and things.
Aaron
00:56:06 – 00:56:12
Yeah. Riddle me this. We've thought about for screencasting well, I don't think we
Ian
00:56:12 – 00:56:13
wanna program for that, for sure.
Aaron
00:56:14 – 00:56:36
Think we wanna be an agency. That's one thing. But it is it is actually hard to find, video editors that, like, have good taste and know, like, how to make a good professional screencast. And, like, we loaned our editor to Adam for his email course, the videos he did for that. And Adam was like, this guy gets it.
Aaron
00:56:36 – 00:56:46
And I'm like, I know. Like, yes. He's so good. Yeah. And so having, you know, having a stable of editors who can do this kind of stuff, but also having, like, the front door.
Aaron
00:56:46 – 00:56:57
Like, you're coming to Screencasting.com. It would make sense if there's a slash editors that you could, like, hire or pay us through or you know what I mean?
Ian
00:56:57 – 00:56:58
Yeah. I'm with you.
Aaron
00:56:58 – 00:57:00
So what does that what does that look like?
Ian
00:57:00 – 00:57:14
I like that. I mean, presumably, these things sort of exist, but I guess this would be, like, maybe it's more vetted. Right? And it's, like, more senior probably in general, and you guys have vetted them, and they're Screencasting.com approved
Aaron
00:57:15 – 00:57:15
Right.
Ian
00:57:15 – 00:57:20
Kind of thing. And, yeah, there's something there.
Aaron
00:57:20 – 00:57:21
There's something there. Right?
Ian
00:57:21 – 00:57:22
Idea. I mean
Aaron
00:57:23 – 00:57:34
because we do get a lot of, like, primarily dev tool companies coming to us and saying, like, hey. Can you edit our videos? It's like, no. Not really. And I will say some of the times what they actually want is motion design.
Aaron
00:57:35 – 00:57:47
Like, they want they look at Steve's, you know, trailers that he makes and, like, hey. Can you edit me a video? And it's like, that's, like, 2% editing, 98% sound and motion. But so maybe even that's in there. You know?
Ian
00:57:48 – 00:57:57
I like two angles on this. I like you guys just hire somebody and sell this as a service when especially for the people who come to you, be like, yeah. We'll do it. Yeah. Why not?
Ian
00:57:57 – 00:58:08
Like Yeah. If it doesn't work out or you can't make enough on it, then you get rid of the editor and you move out with your life. But it sounds like if there's, like, a fair amount of inbound with you not even saying you do this, and then
Aaron
00:58:08 – 00:58:08
if you
Ian
00:58:08 – 00:58:20
actually said you did it, then more revenue. Like, I don't think it's gonna be the majority of your revenue, but, you know, if it's an extra 20% or something at some point, that's I'm
Aaron
00:58:20 – 00:58:23
not mad about that. That covers one tariff. I like that.
Ian
00:58:23 – 00:58:38
Yeah, exactly. It covers the tariffs and, you know, if, You know, it's like something that's not gonna require that much time of either of you. I, I don't think, you know, it's like kind of, yeah. Okay. Like we collect the money and then we hand it off to the editor and there's a little project management stuff.
Ian
00:58:38 – 00:58:52
But if you get a good editor, maybe there's not even that much of that. And, so I kinda like that. And then I like, like an editor directory, which I think you could go a couple of different ways with, the simpler way would be that people just pay money. Like we do this on our jobs. Like, that's true.
Ian
00:58:52 – 00:59:02
Just, Hey, you wanna be listed? You apply. If you got, depending on the level for you could just have it be money and that's it. You can have it be, we certify you to make sure you actually know some shit.
Aaron
00:59:02 – 00:59:03
That's true.
Ian
00:59:03 – 00:59:22
We let you in, but either way, and you can have like two tiers or three, whatever. It's like, Hey, just to get listed. So people know you're around is X, but then you could be placed higher on you're always at the top of the list for y. Right? And that keeps it really simple where you're not trying to figure out, like, well, we want a percentage and how do we track what they actually build, like, all that stuff.
Ian
00:59:22 – 00:59:34
Like Yeah. It's just like, hey. This is just some extra money. You're providing a a platform for people to find them. It's just, like, transactional and straightforward and not all the complexity of a deeper business arrangement.
Aaron
00:59:34 – 00:59:38
It's like, pay start with basically just a directory. Yeah. Just a directory. Directory.
Ian
00:59:39 – 00:59:39
Yeah.
Aaron
00:59:40 – 00:59:41
Don't hate that?
Ian
00:59:41 – 00:59:52
Yeah. I mean, I think people would pay to be on there, I think, because, like, how do they get surfaced? You know? And this is a Right. Site that's got a lot of activity, and you're gonna be pushing people towards it.
Ian
00:59:52 – 00:59:55
So people are gonna find it. And everybody's gonna be like, yeah. I wanna
Aaron
00:59:59 – 01:00:08
make the content, but I don't know why I edit it. Yeah. So This is, I don't know if you're familiar with with Dave Ramsey. Probably for some sort of scandal. He's a very, very rich, very public radio Christian guy.
Aaron
01:00:08 – 01:00:30
Familiar. Save all your money. Also, I have, you know, a hundred million dollars. But, anyway, that's very much his style is, he's got his stable of trusted, you know, mortgage people, life insurance people, financial agents, that kind of stuff. And I think it's all it's all that you pay a fee to Ramsey Solutions.
Aaron
01:00:30 – 01:00:37
I'm sure they do some vetting, but there's this massive industry of people paying to be listed as, like, a Dave Ramsey specialist.
Ian
01:00:37 – 01:00:49
Yeah. And the bigger you get and screencasting gets bigger, like, you could have like, I'm sure that guy is not just like, hey. You pay me money. It's more like, you know, I'm driving I'm driving a huge percentage of your total business. Right?
Aaron
01:00:49 – 01:00:49
Oh, yeah.
Ian
01:00:49 – 01:00:56
You're paying me a lot of money. Like, you're you're paying me a percentage of your overall revenue or whatever. Like, because it's just it's a bigger operation. So, like, when you get,
Aaron
01:00:56 – 01:00:57
you know, if you get
Ian
01:00:57 – 01:01:31
to that point and be like, oh, man, we're sending these guys, like, lots of business, you know, then you can, obviously, you can, at the very least charge more or you can have more sophisticated arrangements or whatever. But, like, I think day one, just like, Hey, build a little redirect or whatever contact forms you can kind of track at least on some level, how much action they're getting and just a list. They hook it up to Stripe, they pay money, they then they're on there and that's it. You couldn't even have like, anybody can buy it, but there's a different tier. That's like, you guys have given your stamp of approval, which is like, they pay extra money for you to take the time to actually give a stamp of approval.
Ian
01:01:31 – 01:01:41
And then that gets them whatever other perks along with it. It's like, Yeah, I think that would be really good. And And I don't again, I don't think it's gonna be like your whole business or anything, but I think it'll be nice extra income and one
Aaron
01:01:41 – 01:01:46
We're we're in the business in of having a lot of businesses, so that's fine with me.
Ian
01:01:46 – 01:02:00
And that's what's it's, like, so easy because it's not like once it's built and going, like Right. Don't really have to do much. It's like, occasionally, somebody wants a refund or somebody has some little random problem, but, like, you're not gonna be thinking about this every day. Like, oh, man. People need something.
Aaron
01:02:00 – 01:02:03
I do I do like starting with a directory and not being in the middle of it.
Ian
01:02:04 – 01:02:19
Yeah. I think you don't wanna be in the middle. You don't even know if you're providing that much value yet. If you started a directory, it's like you could see how much value you're actually shipping out to them and then decide what the appropriate level of compensation is later. But, can just start with a paid directory, and you make some money.
Ian
01:02:19 – 01:02:22
They get some promotion. All good.
Aaron
01:02:22 – 01:02:30
I like this. Okay. I'll pitch I'll pitch this one to Steve. The broadening of that empire is very important to us, so I like I like that idea directionally.
Ian
01:02:30 – 01:02:39
Yeah. No. I think that it should should have, like, kinda SEO, but you got to do all the SEO stuff, man. Like, all the cameras reviews and all that stuff kills.
Aaron
01:02:39 – 01:02:43
I know. We're working on it. It's happening. Do. I know.
Aaron
01:02:43 – 01:02:44
You're telling me.
Ian
01:02:44 – 01:02:50
Oh, man. Yeah. That that stuff didn't get done either. Jeez. Alright.
Ian
01:02:50 – 01:02:51
We got lots to do this year.
Aaron
01:02:51 – 01:02:53
Got a lot to do. Already a
Ian
01:02:53 – 01:02:53
third through the year.
Aaron
01:02:53 – 01:02:56
Everything I'm always stressed out about. I got so much to do.
Ian
01:02:57 – 01:03:02
Oh my goodness. Alright. What What you got? You went to Epic Web Conf while I was gone.
Aaron
01:03:02 – 01:03:08
I did. Yes. It's old news now, but I went to Epic Web Conf. It was great. Saw a lot of friends of the pod.
Aaron
01:03:08 – 01:03:13
Hank was there. Laravel Hank. Bunch of Laravel people were there. Josh Siri was there. Really?
Aaron
01:03:13 – 01:03:20
Yeah. Was there. Yeah. Sam, the new, event swim in was there. So got to see a lot of people.
Aaron
01:03:20 – 01:03:23
Got to see some WorkOS people. Thanks for sponsoring the pod, WorkOS.
Ian
01:03:23 – 01:03:24
Love the WorkOS.
Aaron
01:03:24 – 01:03:30
What? Love the WorkOS. Yeah. It was great fun. Obviously, Kent was there.
Aaron
01:03:30 – 01:03:33
Kent C. Dodds, it's his show. Put on a good conference.
Ian
01:03:33 – 01:03:39
I didn't think it had, like, pushed its way into the Laravel circles to this level. Like, have you been to it previously?
Aaron
01:03:39 – 01:03:41
I have not. Yeah.
Ian
01:03:41 – 01:03:42
And I'm not the first year where it's
Aaron
01:03:42 – 01:03:45
I think this is the first big the big showing.
Ian
01:03:45 – 01:03:47
When Laravel's come in.
Aaron
01:03:47 – 01:03:54
Yeah. And I don't know I don't know why. I'll be honest with you. Don't know why. But, yeah, a lot of Laravel people showed up.
Aaron
01:03:54 – 01:04:09
You're not talking about right? I did give a talk. Okay. Hank and Sam are close, like, physically to Salt Lake City. Josh was historically a JavaScript guy, and Leah, I think, has done a lot of JavaScript.
Aaron
01:04:09 – 01:04:27
So maybe, you know, they're all in that community. But, yeah, I don't know. But, yeah, I gave a talk, went great. Working on turning it into a series of articles. It's it's similar to talks I've done before, but it's it's there are more tactics.
Aaron
01:04:27 – 01:04:45
So this is five five strategies for increasing your odds of success. One of which is, like, a talk I've done before, which is, like, publishing your work, and then there are some others. So Oh, interesting. Yeah, working on turning all of those into articles and getting those published, which is great. I've because I've already done the work.
Aaron
01:04:45 – 01:04:46
Right? Did all the work.
Ian
01:04:46 – 01:04:47
I was like
Aaron
01:04:47 – 01:04:53
It's in one medium. Now I just gotta translate it to a different medium, and now I've got five new articles, which is always good.
Ian
01:04:53 – 01:04:54
Love the repurposing.
Aaron
01:04:54 – 01:05:01
Love it. So good conference. And it made me think, we gotta put on a conference, Ian. We gotta do it. There's no money in it, apparently.
Ian
01:05:01 – 01:05:02
You lose money in the conference.
Aaron
01:05:02 – 01:05:05
Yeah. I don't like losing money. I like gaining money.
Ian
01:05:05 – 01:05:14
Lose money, Especially if you factor your time. If you don't factor your time in, you can run a physical world conference, like, breakeven or making some money. But if you do factor your time in, you're definitely losing money.
Aaron
01:05:14 – 01:05:15
Definitely losing money.
Ian
01:05:15 – 01:05:18
But I do think I would like to do something.
Aaron
01:05:18 – 01:05:20
Something. There's something there.
Ian
01:05:20 – 01:05:27
Maybe there's, like, a a smaller, less committal version that's, like, a phase one. I don't know what that is.
Aaron
01:05:27 – 01:05:34
Yeah. I think if I I think if we had been thinking, we could have done a, pre or post Laracon Day conference.
Ian
01:05:34 – 01:05:54
So I was thinking along those lines also, or even like, you know what a lot this is not quite like having your own conference, but, like, it's just like an evening thing. It's like we're throwing a party sort of thing, or like we rented out a bar and everybody can show up and just hang out for three or four hours or something like
Aaron
01:05:54 – 01:05:56
Yeah. That's very different. Fun, but very different.
Ian
01:05:56 – 01:05:56
That's very different. It is
Aaron
01:05:56 – 01:06:00
very different. Spend a bunch of money for people to come hang out at the bar.
Ian
01:06:00 – 01:06:01
Still cheaper than talking to conference,
Aaron
01:06:01 – 01:06:02
but Maybe. Yeah.
Ian
01:06:03 – 01:06:10
And we're already there, such as a factor. Alright. If we did a con let's just I don't know. I don't think we're gonna
Aaron
01:06:10 – 01:06:10
do a conference.
Ian
01:06:10 – 01:06:12
Yeah. Yeah. Definitely.
Aaron
01:06:12 – 01:06:14
If we were. Let's just hey. Come on. Hey. Three
Ian
01:06:14 – 01:06:18
people were. Are we are we just doing micro conf? You know what I'm saying? Or are we doing
Aaron
01:06:18 – 01:06:24
some different We're we're doing old school micro confs. We're doing we're doing throwback micro confs.
Ian
01:06:24 – 01:06:24
Yeah.
Aaron
01:06:24 – 01:06:30
We're doing, we're doing a conference for developers who are building businesses.
Ian
01:06:31 – 01:06:32
We're having talks.
Aaron
01:06:32 – 01:06:33
We're having a few talks.
Ian
01:06:33 – 01:06:37
All talks? Is it eight is it eight hours of talks a day? We're having 16 speakers,
Aaron
01:06:37 – 01:06:40
or we're having We're doing one day, first of all.
Ian
01:06:40 – 01:06:40
One day?
Aaron
01:06:40 – 01:06:42
We're starting with a one day.
Ian
01:06:42 – 01:06:46
Yep. Hard to do one day, though. How do you get people to travel for one day? That's the problem with one day.
Aaron
01:06:46 – 01:06:49
Kent did it. Did he? Yeah. Because
Ian
01:06:49 – 01:06:50
Epic Web was one day?
Aaron
01:06:50 – 01:06:56
Mhmm. Wow. There's a so there was a speaker dinner the night before.
Ian
01:06:56 – 01:06:56
Okay.
Aaron
01:06:56 – 01:07:13
There was a, like, a an event the night before that was or the day before that was, sponsored by Mux. It was the Jason Lingsdorf TV show that I did Okay. You know, a while back. And then there was a ski day after. Of course, it was optional, which I didn't do.
Aaron
01:07:13 – 01:07:14
I just went home.
Ian
01:07:14 – 01:07:19
Like, kinda padded it out with some optional activities. Yes. Kind of intriguing.
Aaron
01:07:19 – 01:07:30
Kind of intriguing. But we would do we would do a one a one day program, maybe a night before and a day. Alright. Couple of talks, some hang time, and then maybe an optional day after thing.
Ian
01:07:31 – 01:07:32
One day is intriguing.
Aaron
01:07:32 – 01:07:35
Nah. One day makes sense. We got it. Yeah. You got it.
Ian
01:07:35 – 01:07:38
Well, no day. You're so exhausted by the second day. You're just like You're
Aaron
01:07:38 – 01:07:53
so exhausted. But imagine the second day the second day is just like you go, you have a nice long brunch with your friends. You have, like, a there's a, you know, whatever or walking tour. I don't wanna do that. But there's something the second day that people can do, or you can just sit around and hang out with your new friends.
Ian
01:07:53 – 01:08:03
Second day would be cool to have, like, where you had the space still or some kind of space. Yep. Probably not the same size space. Some kind of space with, like, brunch provided. Yep.
Ian
01:08:03 – 01:08:11
And it's, like, part of the conference, but it there's no talk right. This is just a talk work hangout. This is, like, we provide food. Yep. We provide space.
Ian
01:08:11 – 01:08:24
Oh, the people you met the day before, you can, like, chat further with or meet some new people, whatever. It's a big hallway track kind of, like, one one PM, it's over, go home kinda thing. That could be interesting.
Aaron
01:08:24 – 01:08:24
Could be interesting.
Ian
01:08:24 – 01:08:26
How many talks did he have?
Aaron
01:08:26 – 01:08:35
He had a lot, actually, because he had a few lightning talks that were five minutes. Okay. So there ended up being a lot of talks. Uh-huh. I wanna say, like, 15 or something.
Ian
01:08:35 – 01:08:37
Wow. But some of the lightning, but still it's a lot.
Aaron
01:08:37 – 01:08:38
So it was a lot.
Ian
01:08:38 – 01:08:39
It's epic, though.
Aaron
01:08:39 – 01:08:41
It is. A big web. Big day.
Ian
01:08:43 – 01:08:46
How many people do you envision? Like, what's our goal for the attendance?
Aaron
01:08:46 – 01:08:50
Oh, a 50. Thinking.
Ian
01:08:50 – 01:08:53
Yeah. Why do we do it? Where? Yeah.
Aaron
01:08:54 – 01:08:58
All roads lead to and are in Dallas, so we could do that.
Ian
01:08:58 – 01:09:00
Dallas has a good air situation.
Aaron
01:09:00 – 01:09:02
Do we do have a good air situation? Very clear.
Ian
01:09:02 – 01:09:03
Man on the ground.
Aaron
01:09:03 – 01:09:04
Oh, you mean easy to get to. I see. Yeah.
Ian
01:09:04 – 01:09:05
Easy to get to.
Aaron
01:09:05 – 01:09:09
We do have a man on the ground. Everybody loves Dallas.
Ian
01:09:09 – 01:09:11
Good. Everybody loves Dallas. We know that.
Aaron
01:09:11 – 01:09:12
I do think type
Ian
01:09:12 – 01:09:13
of thing.
Aaron
01:09:14 – 01:09:23
Anchoring it or positioning it around another anchor event is probably, you know Could be useful. Probably ideal, but too late this year.
Ian
01:09:24 – 01:09:26
That would be Denver then, though, which we don't have a man on the ground in.
Aaron
01:09:26 – 01:09:28
We don't have a man on the ground?
Ian
01:09:28 – 01:09:41
Yeah. I see. I kinda think I mean, if you anchor to the other events, sort of a little different anyway. Comes it's sort of always gonna be then, like, it's not really its own thing. It's sort of just an after show or preshow for the main thing, which is fine, but I think it kinda gets back into that.
Ian
01:09:41 – 01:09:51
It's a different kind of thing. Mhmm. That would kinda push me more towards, like, let's just do a night, a party. There's a party the night before for people who aren't speakers dinner. It's the most technical party, and it's awesome.
Ian
01:09:51 – 01:09:52
And we just
Aaron
01:09:52 – 01:09:52
Sounds fun.
Ian
01:09:52 – 01:10:04
That sounds like That sounds fun. Mostly technical party for the people who aren't speakers, and you just come and hang out. Sounds fun. I I wouldn't be totally opposed to that. Like, that's something that this could actually be kind of a great
Aaron
01:10:04 – 01:10:05
idea. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,
Ian
01:10:05 – 01:10:18
we could even have cheap tickets so that it's not, like, all on us to pay for everybody's booze for four hours or whatever. We could, like even if it's, like, $20 or something, like, just enough to take the, like, edge off the cost of it. We could get
Aaron
01:10:18 – 01:10:19
a sponsor for that for sure. We could
Ian
01:10:19 – 01:10:33
get a spot we could get a sponsor for sure. Yeah. I think we get a sponsor. So that that's that's a possibility, which is one kind of thing. On the pure conference thing, I do think a huge city is very useful because we could probably get, like, 20 people who just live around Dallas.
Ian
01:10:33 – 01:10:34
Right? Or 30 people.
Aaron
01:10:34 – 01:10:35
Yes. Totally.
Ian
01:10:35 – 01:10:53
So, like, you they're right there. It's like, okay. Well, we know we have, like, a third of the conference attendees done just by people who can drive. And then, you know, that lowers the numbers you need to actually get to get on an airplane and come to Dallas for two days to come to the conference. So, so I do like the idea of a really big city, which Dallas is.
Ian
01:10:53 – 01:11:12
And between then, if you consider the other sort of drivable Texas cities, you have a pretty good amount of people who could come from there. Obviously, we could do New York, which can be very expensive. We could do, you know, those kind of cities, really big cities that will have just a lot of listeners in them inherently, and, we could drag them in.
Aaron
01:11:12 – 01:11:15
So it's interesting. Alright. Seed planted.
Ian
01:11:15 – 01:11:21
Seed planted. I think I like the idea of the before party better just because, like, it's it's less work
Aaron
01:11:22 – 01:11:25
It is less work. By a lot. By a mile. Yes.
Ian
01:11:25 – 01:11:33
Even if we wanted to have a a speaker at that or something. Like, hey. Somebody's gonna give a talk for thirty minutes as, like, a I think you need you need I don't know. Well, this is something
Aaron
01:11:33 – 01:11:34
AV. Yeah.
Ian
01:11:34 – 01:11:42
Yeah. You need AV and all that stuff. I know. There's probably a way we could do something at it besides just everybody gets drunk, but, you know, and or hangs out. You don't have to get drunk.
Aaron
01:11:42 – 01:11:43
You don't have to get drunk, but
Ian
01:11:43 – 01:11:44
you do have to
Aaron
01:11:44 – 01:11:44
hang out.
Ian
01:11:44 – 01:11:52
I I've, like, I had my the last, like, couple weeks is, like, the first drinks I've had in over a year. It's been crazy, and they really hit me too. I was like,
Aaron
01:11:53 – 01:12:02
yeah. Gallbladder. Listen. If you guys if y'all want if y'all want a mostly technical party the night before Laracon starts in Denver, let us know because that sounds awesome to me.
Ian
01:12:02 – 01:12:04
That does sound kinda awesome.
Aaron
01:12:04 – 01:12:07
Mostly technical. Speaker dinner, but
Ian
01:12:07 – 01:12:09
true. I'll be holding it down.
Aaron
01:12:09 – 01:12:12
You'll be holding it down, and then I'll I'll flee and come over. And
Ian
01:12:12 – 01:12:16
that would certainly be good because you could drag the speakers over to the party.
Aaron
01:12:16 – 01:12:16
Yep.
Ian
01:12:16 – 01:12:21
Yeah. So that would be a nice thing for, like, halfway through the party or whatever, all the speakers show up or, you
Aaron
01:12:21 – 01:12:22
know Mhmm.
Ian
01:12:22 – 01:12:33
Some chunk of them and, mingle with the people. So I got the the other nice thing is I got the whole user escape team there. Yeah. So, like, we have people who can help and Yep. Run the show.
Ian
01:12:33 – 01:12:39
So it's not Dave. Now it's a party producer. Here we go. Dave. Oh, Dave's gonna love this idea.
Ian
01:12:40 – 01:12:43
So, yeah, it's not like an additional expense, though. Like, well, we have to get
Aaron
01:12:43 – 01:12:45
a bunch of people to Dallas to help
Ian
01:12:45 – 01:12:49
us actually check people in and set up and do all the stuff.
Aaron
01:12:49 – 01:12:53
And We the good ideas per minute on this show. It's so high.
Ian
01:12:54 – 01:12:55
Way, way up here, man.
Aaron
01:12:55 – 01:13:00
It's way up there. We're easily at, like, point one to point two good ideas per minute.
Ian
01:13:00 – 01:13:02
We're one percenters on the good ideas.
Aaron
01:13:02 – 01:13:05
Easily. This is awesome. Okay. I like this idea. This is a good Okay.
Aaron
01:13:05 – 01:13:11
This is good. This is this is what we call a yes and. You know? This is you back and forth. You figure out where we're going.
Aaron
01:13:12 – 01:13:15
Everything's agreeable, and then we land on something that's that's a great idea. I
Ian
01:13:15 – 01:13:22
think that I think that could work. It's also, like yeah. We dip our toe in without, you know, the full commitment. It's fun. It's fun.
Aaron
01:13:22 – 01:13:26
Fun. And it's so cool. Like imagine having a mostly technical party.
Ian
01:13:26 – 01:13:28
I think people will be very excited about that.
Aaron
01:13:28 – 01:13:29
That'd be so awesome.
Ian
01:13:29 – 01:13:46
And we know all our people are there. You know what I mean? Like the core listeners, a lot they either want to go to Laracon or they are going to Laracon. Like, so we don't have to convince them to go. And we can just have we can do the fun parts of the conference, which is have a party and Have a party.
Aaron
01:13:46 – 01:13:46
Chat
Ian
01:13:46 – 01:13:53
with people and not worry that the speakers aren't doing their slides until the last second and all the stressful parts of all that.
Aaron
01:13:53 – 01:13:58
Have to start speaker wrangling pretty soon. Yeah. Yeah. Alright. Alright.
Ian
01:13:58 – 01:14:03
Yeah. Let us know if you wanna party. Maybe we'll make that happen. I like that idea. Alright.
Ian
01:14:03 – 01:14:05
I think that's a good spot. Let's wrap it.
Aaron
01:14:05 – 01:14:06
Just out.
Ian
01:14:06 – 01:14:18
Thanks. Thanks, everybody. You can, find everything you need about the show over at mostlytechnical.com. You can sponsor the show. We have another sponsor probably coming out next week, which would be cool, but there's still a few slots.
Ian
01:14:18 – 01:14:21
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Aaron
01:14:21 – 01:14:22
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Ian
01:14:22 – 01:14:27
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Ian
01:14:27 – 01:14:30
You know Bento. Like, think about how much you think about these things.
Aaron
01:14:30 – 01:14:31
You know the sponsors. Come on.
Ian
01:14:31 – 01:14:37
You know them. That could be you and your business. Thanks for listening. Catch you next week. See y'all there.
Aaron
01:14:37 – 01:14:37
See you.
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