Aaron Francis

Ian & Aaron discuss config files in Laravel 11, having ambitious goals, the merits of checking vs. not checking your bag, & more. Sponsored by LaraJobs & Screencasting.com. Sent questions or feedback to mostlytechnicalpodcast@gmail.com.

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Transcript

Ian

00:00:01 – 00:00:02

Welcome back.

Aaron

00:00:03 – 00:00:05

Back, baby. How we doing? Woo.

Ian

00:00:06 – 00:00:07

We're ready to go. Monday morning.

Aaron

00:00:08 – 00:00:10

Monday morning, 8:30 local time.

Ian

00:00:11 – 00:00:16

9:30 real time. 9. Yeah. Ready to do it. Let's go.

Aaron

00:00:16 – 00:00:19

I got it. This is my last week. I go back on Friday.

Ian

00:00:20 – 00:00:24

On Friday? That's a crazy thing. Back. Yeah, I know. Well, I guess it's kind of cool.

Ian

00:00:24 – 00:00:26

It's like just one dip your toe in on a Friday.

Aaron

00:00:26 – 00:00:28

Yeah. Open some emails, you

Ian

00:00:28 – 00:00:29

know, kiss some babies, shake some hands,

Aaron

00:00:29 – 00:00:31

and then peace out for the weekend.

Ian

00:00:31 – 00:00:35

Now if you totally stayed off the email, that's what you're that's what you're implying right there.

Aaron

00:00:35 – 00:00:44

Oh, yeah. When, you know, when Nice. Yeah. When your job is not, like, high level engineer that is responsible for things

Ian

00:00:45 – 00:00:45

Yeah. You just

Aaron

00:00:45 – 00:00:47

don't get that many emails. You really don't.

Ian

00:00:48 – 00:00:53

Yeah. Nobody's gonna look at you at 2 AM. Like, something's broken or whatever. Yeah.

Aaron

00:00:53 – 00:01:07

No. The real thing is YouTube comments. That's that's the real inbox I got to manage. The the email is just like, sometimes I'll get emails to, like, the entire education team. And then beyond that, it's that's about it, honestly.

Ian

00:01:08 – 00:01:15

Well, that that it's it's a good life. Yeah. Forget what it's like to have a job. Like, oh, it's great.

Aaron

00:01:15 – 00:01:17

Yeah. That's exactly right.

Ian

00:01:18 – 00:01:31

I'm behind on email lately. I so I've never been behind on email ever. But I'm a little bit behind this last month and it's kind of like weighing on me. So, like, I got a couple of things I gotta do in there. And then well, you know what I also do?

Ian

00:01:31 – 00:01:44

I don't I don't think we talked about this. I my I think it might be my favorite app on the phone is a app. I I believe it's just called mail to. Let me check this real quick. Yeah.

Ian

00:01:44 – 00:02:01

It's called mail. Oh, maybe it's called mail. Oh, yeah. Mail. Oh, and what it is is you can do any, anytime you bring up a share sheet in iOS, you can just click its icon and it just emails a link to whatever the thing is.

Ian

00:02:02 – 00:02:15

And so to you, that's like to my to myself, it just emails. Gotcha. So it's my little to do list of like, oh, I wanna read this thing or whatever. Or school search this thing more, whatever. And I'll just do the mail thing.

Ian

00:02:15 – 00:02:25

I don't have like copy and paste into Notion or anything. Like, it's just in my inbox. And normally I just like work through the inbox. I'm like, alright. Like, if I'm gonna do this later later, I'll put it maybe in Notion or most time I just deal with it right then.

Ian

00:02:25 – 00:02:35

But oh, yeah. So I have, like, 10 of those stacked up in there of things I wanna, like, read or research, and then I just have some actual email, but it's kinda stressing me. I gotta spend a little time today or tomorrow.

Aaron

00:02:35 – 00:02:39

Yeah. You don't seem you don't seem like a guy that gets behind on email.

Ian

00:02:39 – 00:02:40

No. I mean, it's that zero guy.

Aaron

00:02:41 – 00:02:42

Behind on email.

Ian

00:02:43 – 00:02:53

I don't have that much email. I don't have that much email in general. Like, because we're a small team. Like, the team's not usually we're in Slack. We handle most stuff in Slack, so it's not like a lot of company emails usually and things like that.

Ian

00:02:53 – 00:02:59

So it's mostly, like, ends up being weird business stuff of, like, you know, corporate stuff.

Aaron

00:02:59 – 00:03:01

Right. Business dad stuff.

Ian

00:03:01 – 00:03:03

Whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That stuff.

Ian

00:03:04 – 00:03:08

So it's stacked up in there, and it's getting stressed. But anyway

Aaron

00:03:08 – 00:03:11

It is stressful. Right? It's like low grade background stress.

Ian

00:03:12 – 00:03:21

Yeah. I don't know people who just leave it messy all the time. And and I'm a very messy person. Like, in real life, my email, gotta have my email just straight. I just like to not have too much in there.

Aaron

00:03:21 – 00:03:38

Yeah. I gotta get on top of that. That's that's honestly what I'm I'm looking forward to being back for that reason, to get my digital life back under control. It's just when you're not on the computer and you're actively trying to stay away from it, it's hard to keep it's hard to keep those gardens tended to, you know?

Ian

00:03:38 – 00:03:42

Yeah. That's all right. You'll give it a week. You'll get in there with the shears and

Aaron

00:03:42 – 00:03:43

That's right.

Ian

00:03:43 – 00:03:45

Clean it up. So I got I got

Aaron

00:03:45 – 00:03:48

stuff to do, man. I got plans. It's time to go.

Ian

00:03:49 – 00:03:53

You were working on the the new, headquarters, though, with the studio.

Aaron

00:03:53 – 00:03:53

Oh, yeah.

Ian

00:03:53 – 00:03:55

The studio. So it's coming along.

Aaron

00:03:55 – 00:04:14

It's coming along. It's almost it's almost ready for move in. I took you know, I was gonna move in many, many weeks ago, and then I just took a massive break from everything. But, yeah, I was up there last week doing some more finishing touches and was getting really excited about it. I think it's gonna be I think it's gonna be awesome.

Aaron

00:04:14 – 00:04:15

I'm super pumped.

Ian

00:04:16 – 00:04:21

Do you think you're gonna use that for your first videos? Do you think you're gonna be doing some videos before that's ready? Nope. Okay.

Aaron

00:04:21 – 00:04:27

I'm gonna I'm gonna get up there. Today's Monday. I go back Friday. I'm gonna get in there this week.

Ian

00:04:27 – 00:04:29

Yeah. Get it get it organized.

Aaron

00:04:29 – 00:04:35

Get it organized. Get it all. Get all the lighting set up. Get camera moved over. It was the whole deal.

Ian

00:04:35 – 00:04:38

Yeah. Once the camera's moved, that's it. Like, the guy is cast.

Aaron

00:04:38 – 00:04:39

Yeah. Exactly.

Ian

00:04:40 – 00:04:48

So, you have videos lined up or what's the plan? Like, are you ready to go? Yeah. I have some with content ideas and things or

Aaron

00:04:48 – 00:05:15

scale videos that I have been thinking about that I'm ready to go with. And then I've got I've got a lot of personal, you know, Laravel videos that I'm ready to I'm ready to start cooking. So, yeah, I'm ready. I feel, you know, mentally a lot better physically, still, you know, still a little wonky, still a little 75, 80 years old, but, you know, mentally, I'm feeling a lot better. I'm sleeping.

Aaron

00:05:15 – 00:05:16

I slept last night.

Ian

00:05:16 – 00:05:18

Woo hoo. Yeah. That's a big one.

Aaron

00:05:18 – 00:05:19

That's great. I love it.

Ian

00:05:20 – 00:05:21

Change your health, and that's good.

Aaron

00:05:21 – 00:05:23

The chili pad, I think, is helping.

Ian

00:05:24 – 00:05:26

Yes. So give us update on the chili.

Aaron

00:05:26 – 00:05:37

Yeah. So the chili pad came and then it's, it's like a mattress topper with a hose. You know, it's it's all it looks all nice and stuff, but it's a freaking hose that runs out of it.

Ian

00:05:37 – 00:05:41

Runs liquid under you to cool you or heat you or whatever you want. Yep.

Aaron

00:05:41 – 00:06:00

Yep. And so I have it set to the coldest that it goes, which is like 55. And it doesn't feel the thing is, it doesn't feel like 55 in the bed. I texted my friend who has one I was like, dude, how cold do you set yours to? He was like, oh, I set mine to, like, you know, 68, and I have to sleep with a t shirt on.

Aaron

00:06:00 – 00:06:03

And I'm, like, setting mine to 55

Ian

00:06:03 – 00:06:05

and sleep with no shirt on. But I

Aaron

00:06:05 – 00:06:07

I didn't wake up once last night. Not a single time.

Ian

00:06:07 – 00:06:10

Wow. Huge. That's huge. Change. Yeah.

Ian

00:06:10 – 00:06:12

Yes. That's huge. Okay. That's

Aaron

00:06:12 – 00:06:27

awesome. So I need to I need to see if mine is functioning properly because I feel like if he's sleeping at 70 and he's kind of cold and I'm sleeping at 55 and I'm like, it could be colder. I don't know if my unit is functioning properly, so I need to, like, investigate that. But on

Ian

00:06:27 – 00:06:30

the whole something it could be cooling. Yeah.

Aaron

00:06:30 – 00:06:31

I can yes. I lay down.

Ian

00:06:31 – 00:06:37

Maybe maybe not as cold as you would like. It's depending on, like, your sheets and stuff too. Like I know.

Aaron

00:06:37 – 00:06:38

That's the bummer part.

Ian

00:06:38 – 00:06:41

Some other variation, you know, some other stuff in there potentially that's

Aaron

00:06:41 – 00:06:41

Yeah.

Ian

00:06:41 – 00:06:42

Impacting it.

Aaron

00:06:42 – 00:06:47

But, you know, sometimes I'll, you know, I'm, like, laying super still, and then I do feel, like,

Ian

00:06:47 – 00:06:47

the outline of the water, like, the pathways underneath you.

Aaron

00:06:47 – 00:06:54

Oh, okay. That part. Yeah. Chili pad. Big win.

Aaron

00:06:54 – 00:06:58

Okay. So so far, thumbs up with Yeah. Chili pad, big win.

Ian

00:06:58 – 00:06:59

Okay. So so far, thumbs up

Aaron

00:06:59 – 00:07:01

with Yes. Yes.

Ian

00:07:02 – 00:07:08

Back in a month and see if Yes. How you feel about it. But the the quick review is some

Aaron

00:07:08 – 00:07:16

quick review is highly, highly effective. You know, I've had it for a week and I've slept so much better since I've had it.

Ian

00:07:17 – 00:07:24

Little podcast side business here is I kind of like it's having a review segment like we should have a review segment. Yeah. Yeah.

Aaron

00:07:24 – 00:07:26

Because even to, like,

Ian

00:07:26 – 00:07:27

gadgets and things.

Aaron

00:07:27 – 00:07:30

Hey. And whoever pays the highest, we would review it. Is that how I

Ian

00:07:30 – 00:07:30

mean, that's what I

Aaron

00:07:30 – 00:07:32

mean, if somebody wants a sponsor

Ian

00:07:32 – 00:07:42

review, like, yeah. I mean, we we're happy to take your money if you'd like us to Yeah. To review your product. But, also just, you know, the little nifty things we find, like chili pad and whatnot.

Aaron

00:07:43 – 00:07:44

Anyway I like that. Yeah.

Ian

00:07:44 – 00:07:45

So if

Aaron

00:07:45 – 00:07:46

you have anything Make a little call them

Ian

00:07:46 – 00:07:47

in Trello.

Aaron

00:07:47 – 00:07:51

Yeah. We could we we could gladly receive your merchandise, and we will review it.

Ian

00:07:52 – 00:07:53

Not about anything, but

Aaron

00:07:53 – 00:07:56

Yeah. Probably not anything. But I get approval. Anything that I

Ian

00:07:56 – 00:07:58

would like. Yeah. Stuff. Yeah. Or not.

Ian

00:07:58 – 00:07:59

Like it.

Aaron

00:07:59 – 00:08:00

If we don't like it, we won't review it.

Ian

00:08:00 – 00:08:10

Well, if we don't like it, those are fun reviews too. But I feel like I'm looking for things I'm gonna either really like hopefully or really hate hopefully. I don't want the things that are just okay. Just okay is not really very interesting to talk about.

Aaron

00:08:10 – 00:08:25

If it's lukewarm, we spit it out of our mouths. That's that's how it goes. So chili pad, big, 5 star, 2 thumbs up. Okay. Recommend if you're having sleep troubles that you think may be because you're waking up warm.

Ian

00:08:25 – 00:08:32

I've, thought about getting one of these type of things. I don't know. I haven't pulled the trigger yet, but maybe, maybe I'll have to give it a go.

Aaron

00:08:32 – 00:08:34

Yeah. They're not they're not inexpensive.

Ian

00:08:34 – 00:08:40

Yeah. And there's this whole, like, water. And if you have any issues there, it's like its own little disaster, which is

Aaron

00:08:40 – 00:08:41

Oh, yeah.

Ian

00:08:41 – 00:08:43

Best, but hopefully, it's fine.

Aaron

00:08:43 – 00:08:43

Yeah.

Ian

00:08:43 – 00:08:51

Hopefully. All right. Let's do some follow-up. We actually have quite a bit of follow-up, more follow-up. Alright.

Ian

00:08:51 – 00:09:07

So email in from Andrew Karnes. Do we have a technique for balancing consumption versus creation? Oof. I don't have a formal technique. I I probably should be better about this, but I don't really, have a great formal technique for that.

Aaron

00:09:07 – 00:09:08

Do you consume a lot?

Ian

00:09:12 – 00:09:20

I guess it depends. Like, I definitely probably consume more Twitter than I would like. Just pop Mhmm. You know, I tend to just pop over. It's like, okay, I'm between things I'm working on.

Ian

00:09:20 – 00:09:32

I pop over. I would like to organize that a little bit more. The in the other parts of my life, not so much. Like, I'm not over consuming. I don't feel like if anything, I'm under consuming.

Ian

00:09:32 – 00:09:54

I feel like I could use a little more like R and R just like go on something mindless or something like that. So yeah. In that regard, not really, but, but then also in the consumption side, I think you could be more organized. It's like or on the, creation side, like I'm kind of deep on this actual coding stuff right now. So it's kind of taking all the bandwidth, but still, there's other things that I wouldn't find.

Ian

00:09:54 – 00:10:02

Creation. I know. Accounts. But it's like, sometimes you didn't wanna have some variation in there. I'm not I don't have any variation right now, really, of other things.

Ian

00:10:02 – 00:10:05

Oh, I guess I do the podcast here. Right? So that's something Sure.

Aaron

00:10:05 – 00:10:05

It counts.

Ian

00:10:05 – 00:10:10

It's crazy. Some other things. Like, I guess I do have some other things. The podcast is nice because it's like that is more structured. It's like, hey.

Aaron

00:10:10 – 00:10:11

We're Yeah.

Ian

00:10:11 – 00:10:22

You know, attempting every week on Monday to do this. Sometimes it doesn't work out, but usually we're here. And so that's a little more of a routine, which is nice. I don't know, but I don't really have anything formal. You?

Aaron

00:10:23 – 00:10:40

No. I don't have anything formal. I I think like you, I'm also not a huge consumer outside of Twitter, as we've talked about many times. Not a not doing a lot of gaming or TV right now these days. But Twitter, yeah, I consume a huge amount.

Aaron

00:10:42 – 00:11:01

I don't really feel so bad about it. I like like you, it's kinda like, I'm gonna look for 5 minutes and then get back to what I was doing. Or anytime basically, anytime I just have downtime, I'm kinda like looking at Twitter, but I don't use, I don't use Instagram. I don't use TikTok. I don't use anything else.

Aaron

00:11:01 – 00:11:25

So like Twitter is my only, you know, feed feed of consumption. And honestly, you know, I hit the limits of that pretty, pretty quickly. So I'm not just like scrolling for hours. And also I find that, you know, I just I just love Twitter so much. I find that it just stokes, like, so much like, it's it's a it's a serendipity machine.

Aaron

00:11:25 – 00:11:45

You know? It just stokes so many ideas and so many, things that, like, it just puts cool stuff in front of me, and so I'm I'm super into it. And then on the creation side, no. I just kinda, you know, that's, you know, when I'm working full time, that's what I do full time is just create things. Right.

Aaron

00:11:46 – 00:11:58

But I've also started, you know, I've also started doing the, like, voice recordings while I walk or while I drive. And I do find that, like, being able to get some of those thoughts out of my head is extremely helpful

Ian

00:11:58 – 00:11:59

for me.

Aaron

00:11:59 – 00:12:12

And so squeezing that in, squeezing that in more, where I can now as around other duties, I find to be really helpful. But, no, I don't I don't really think about it too much, honestly.

Ian

00:12:13 – 00:12:24

Yeah. Not a big high structure kind of person in general all the way to that level of, like, where I'm blocking out calendar chunks or things like that. Yeah. Those kind of stuff. So, alright.

Ian

00:12:24 – 00:12:51

Another email from Chris Morell. He says scam emails are bad on purpose to filter top of funnel, people down to those who can't identify bad scammy emails to begin with. So you're limiting your top of the funnel here, but you're hopefully getting more highly qualified, leads, if you will, on the people you wanna target for your scams. I don't know.

Aaron

00:12:51 – 00:12:56

Wow. Extremely interesting. What in the world is this a follow-up to? Did we talk about this?

Ian

00:12:56 – 00:12:58

What what did we have

Aaron

00:12:58 – 00:13:02

I don't remember none of this. 0% of this do I remember.

Ian

00:13:02 – 00:13:13

We talked about scam emails? Yeah. We did. We mentioned What? We we didn't have a whole segment, but we did touch on it shortly about how, the scam emails are written poorly.

Ian

00:13:13 – 00:13:29

That's interesting. It sounds like a, like remember it was about how we were going to, we would make more money if we just engaged in doing scam emails ourselves at a high quality. Yeah. Yeah. So it's feedback that our high quality ones would lead to a lot of

Aaron

00:13:29 – 00:13:29

Oh, okay.

Ian

00:13:29 – 00:13:50

So it's a business plan critique. Yeah. Smart people who would get into that, but then they would later determine that, oh, this is a scam once I get on the phone with them or whatever. Whereas, so that it's bad on purpose that you're already limiting the number of people you have to deal with intentionally so that you can focus on the more easily scammed people.

Aaron

00:13:50 – 00:14:00

Yeah. I I I barely remember any yeah. I barely remember any of this, but I'm forming very strong opinions as we speak, and there's not a sense. We could fool them all the way down. We could fool them.

Ian

00:14:00 – 00:14:13

I think so. I think so. I think when it's also multiple levels, like, there's people can we just fool them all the way down? I feel like if you're gonna you're presumably gonna automate quite a bit of this. So, like, more people's just better, I would think, in general.

Ian

00:14:13 – 00:14:26

Yeah. For sure. You know, you could also have higher, higher sort of upside scams. Like maybe I'm trying to like, just do a really good version of the Chase email with a Chase website. Mhmm.

Ian

00:14:26 – 00:14:38

So you're gonna log in to change your password, and you're gonna fool people who really know what they're doing to reset their password. And it's just coming to me instead, and I'm just gonna steal all your money. Right? So, like, I feel like there's

Aaron

00:14:38 – 00:14:39

lesson.

Ian

00:14:39 – 00:14:48

There's other things like that where the quality is important. Like there's like Nigerian prince. You won the lotto. Fine. That's kind of one type of scam, but there's also like a really high quality.

Ian

00:14:48 – 00:15:04

I'm just gonna steal all your shit from your bank level, which just has to be, like, pixel perfect and Right. Have errors when you log in incorrectly and, like, whatever. It's, like, just perfect, except we steal your shit. So I feel like, yeah, there's both sides of it, and we we could cover it all in this business.

Aaron

00:15:04 – 00:15:08

So is this is this podcast a safe space? Am I allowed to say something?

Ian

00:15:08 – 00:15:09

Yeah. Absolutely.

Aaron

00:15:10 – 00:15:23

And as as my attorney, because you're a podcaster, you're also an attorney Right. This is now this is now confidential. So this is client attorney privilege, so I can't be I can't be prosecuted for this. Absolutely. In college.

Ian

00:15:24 – 00:15:25

Oh, boy.

Aaron

00:15:25 – 00:15:35

Yeah. Yeah. So statute of limitations has run. This is client attorney privilege. Nobody can get me in trouble for this legally as long as you append legally to your statement.

Aaron

00:15:36 – 00:16:05

So in college, there was this Twitter account that was called, I went to Texas a and m or called the Aggies. There was this Twitter account called Aggie Gossip, and it was just saying all these horrible things about a lot of people. And I was like, I bet I could I bet I could fish this person, and I bet I could get their password. And so in 2008 or 9, I created I created a fishing scheme.

Ian

00:16:05 – 00:16:08

We have the experience in house. This is so great.

Aaron

00:16:10 – 00:16:18

I created a phishing scheme where I made a, I made a website that looked just like the Twitter reset password website.

Ian

00:16:18 – 00:16:19

Look at that.

Aaron

00:16:19 – 00:16:31

I hosted I hosted it somewhere random, you know, some random domain. And then I sent I forget how I had their email. Oh, because they they solicited tips.

Ian

00:16:31 – 00:16:32

Oh, right. Yeah.

Aaron

00:16:32 – 00:16:49

If you have hot tips, send them to aggiegossip@gmail.com. It's like, alright. So I created this fake page, you know, stole the CSS and HTML from the actual reset page, put it up somewhere, sent, sent myself a password reset email from Twitter so I can get, like, the HTML for the email.

Ian

00:16:49 – 00:16:50

Yep. Mhmm.

Aaron

00:16:50 – 00:16:59

And then created the email and sent it to Aggie Gossip, and it worked. I totally phished their password. It was Aggie o nine, which told us it was somebody

Ian

00:16:59 – 00:16:59

in the

Aaron

00:16:59 – 00:17:06

past of 2009. It was great. And then I freaked out, and I logged in as them and started just, like, trying to

Ian

00:17:06 – 00:17:09

wreak havoc. You know, I'm unfollowing everyone. I'm trying to, like,

Aaron

00:17:09 – 00:17:13

you know, change the email address to my own email address so I can take it over.

Ian

00:17:13 – 00:17:19

This is like a federal crime right here. I know. That's what I'm saying. This is attorney client privilege. This is, like, you can't this thought.

Ian

00:17:19 – 00:17:20

You're a little shaken too. I don't know.

Aaron

00:17:20 – 00:17:21

You can't get me in trouble. Dave

Ian

00:17:22 – 00:17:22

Mhmm.

Aaron

00:17:22 – 00:17:33

I need you to check the law, Dave. If any of this is illegal, just cut this segment out. Yeah. And that was it. And then I got kicked out because I freaked out too hard, and I didn't know what to do, and it worked.

Aaron

00:17:33 – 00:17:38

And so I logged in as them and did some stuff, and then I got booted. So isn't that wild?

Ian

00:17:38 – 00:17:39

That's wild.

Aaron

00:17:39 – 00:17:41

I committed a federal crime, I think.

Ian

00:17:41 – 00:17:49

And look how easy it was. That's what I'm saying. Like, we could be doing we could be doing this as a profession and stealing money instead of unfollowing people on Twitter.

Aaron

00:17:49 – 00:17:58

Instead of yes. Instead of being, you know, digital Batman to clean up the streets of Gotham, I'm out there trying to steal money from people. That would be way better.

Ian

00:17:58 – 00:18:00

Yeah. That's pretty awesome. I don't Isn't

Aaron

00:18:00 – 00:18:00

that crazy?

Ian

00:18:01 – 00:18:03

Like that. I would've never thought you'd have a worse thing than me and

Aaron

00:18:04 – 00:18:04

I know.

Ian

00:18:04 – 00:18:06

Law breaking. Crazy.

Aaron

00:18:06 – 00:18:13

I know. It's crazy. Man. Sometimes I let my inspection sticker expire, and I also Right. Will fish people from time to time.

Aaron

00:18:13 – 00:18:14

So yeah.

Ian

00:18:14 – 00:18:18

So yeah. Send people phishing emails illegally. Yeah. With the federal law.

Aaron

00:18:18 – 00:18:22

So there there you go, boss man Chris. It can be done, and I have done it.

Ian

00:18:22 – 00:18:23

There you go.

Aaron

00:18:23 – 00:18:29

Yeah. This So would have been great on last week's segment when we were talking about it. I just I must have spaced on that

Ian

00:18:29 – 00:18:30

segment together. It's fun.

Aaron

00:18:30 – 00:18:31

Yeah. It's crazy.

Ian

00:18:32 – 00:18:41

I don't have anything like that. I never I never actually tried it. I we did once in high school, and I was just an accomplice. I was the driver. I mean,

Aaron

00:18:41 – 00:18:43

actually Me too. For sure. Same. Yeah.

Ian

00:18:43 – 00:18:59

I was the driver on a, selling a bag of oregano as marijuana, once. Yeah. Made made made $10. So that was my big statue of limitations, thing here. There we go.

Aaron

00:18:59 – 00:19:02

I don't think that's illegal. I think that's just funny.

Ian

00:19:02 – 00:19:05

Hey. Maybe that's not even illegal. Right? No. It's so unjust.

Ian

00:19:05 – 00:19:16

Illegal substance. Although if we're claiming it's one thing and it's not, it seems like it might be illegal. Yeah. Maybe. That's hysterical.

Ian

00:19:20 – 00:19:25

These are kind of things I don't know. I don't think my kids are gonna do these kind of things. Also, in high school,

Aaron

00:19:25 – 00:19:34

one time, we were driving around, shooting fireworks out of the car, like Roman candles. You know? So you got one guy driving, the other guy's sitting out the window shooting

Ian

00:19:34 – 00:19:36

over candles. Scared to do those things.

Aaron

00:19:36 – 00:19:53

And and we were you know, we shot 1, and it just went right over a cop car. Like, right over 2 cops getting into their car at, like, a Wendy's or something. And they looked at us, and we looked at them, and my friend who was driving just took off.

Ian

00:19:54 – 00:19:54

Oh, wow.

Aaron

00:19:55 – 00:19:57

They got in their cop car, and I'm like, Sean, what

Ian

00:19:57 – 00:19:58

are you doing?

Aaron

00:19:58 – 00:20:09

He takes off. You know, we're in, like, 3 different cars because, you know, we're 16, and we're all like, no. I'm gonna drive. And so we took a hard right, and our friend went straight. And they pulled over our friend, and we were gone.

Ian

00:20:09 – 00:20:15

Oh my gosh. That's crazy. Did they have fireworks in their car too? They did not have fireworks in

Aaron

00:20:15 – 00:20:19

their car. Oh. And so he pretended like he didn't know. So he's like, yeah. I saw that.

Aaron

00:20:19 – 00:20:29

I don't know what happened. And meanwhile, you know, we're doing 80 on the on ramp trying to get away from them. Oh my gosh. I was I was the accomplished. I was I was just in the car.

Aaron

00:20:29 – 00:20:30

I I didn't do anything.

Ian

00:20:30 – 00:20:35

To be there. You'd only get, like, a year. The other guys can get, like, 3, 4 years. Yeah.

Aaron

00:20:35 – 00:20:37

Exactly. Yeah. So it wasn't me.

Ian

00:20:37 – 00:20:39

You flip on everybody. You do know Tom.

Aaron

00:20:39 – 00:20:44

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're actually they're actually still in jail, but I'm here. So

Ian

00:20:45 – 00:20:45

That's

Aaron

00:20:45 – 00:21:08

Anyways Alright. Final follow-up. Final follow-up from friend friend of the pod, Mary. I don't know Mary's last name, but her handle is c free as anyway, met her met her at Laracon, Laravel developer, good friend. She d m's me, like, mid listening to the podcast, the last one, and she said, Eren, don't do nicotine.

Ian

00:21:10 – 00:21:11

Like, don't

Aaron

00:21:11 – 00:21:22

don't don't get into nicotine. I was like, oh, really? How you know, because we talked about zen and how awesome it is. Right. And she sent me this whole, like, this entire thing of don't do nicotine.

Aaron

00:21:22 – 00:21:29

It's so bad for autoimmune disease. And I was like, oh, you know what? I didn't think about any of that whatsoever.

Ian

00:21:29 – 00:21:34

You were just drawn in by the awesome website. You didn't. I was just drawn in by health considerations. Yeah.

Aaron

00:21:34 – 00:21:41

Would it be cool if I chewed nicotine gum? Probably. And then, you know, Mary's out here looking out for me. Don't do nicotine.

Ian

00:21:41 – 00:21:43

So you got to do.

Aaron

00:21:43 – 00:21:46

If you have autoimmune disease, don't do nicotine. So I don't

Ian

00:21:46 – 00:21:55

know if they call it that down south, but dip, you know, like we put the tobacco in there. Oh, yeah. You could be you could be dip it. I'd love to have you dip it on the show where you're just spitting into a cup every bar.

Aaron

00:21:55 – 00:21:56

How disgusting that is.

Ian

00:21:56 – 00:21:58

We kind of awesome. I have

Aaron

00:21:58 – 00:22:05

some I have some friends that would dip from from time to time at work. And just imagine, like, having a spit cup on your desk.

Ian

00:22:06 – 00:22:07

Horrifying. Thing ever.

Aaron

00:22:07 – 00:22:09

This is the grossest thing ever.

Ian

00:22:09 – 00:22:11

Very gross. It's pretty wild.

Aaron

00:22:12 – 00:22:12

Yeah. Is

Ian

00:22:12 – 00:22:19

it? And just total side note here, it's pretty funny how you're like, Mary, good friend, didn't know her last name.

Aaron

00:22:19 – 00:22:20

Don't know her last name.

Ian

00:22:20 – 00:22:21

This is the Internet. It's so funny.

Aaron

00:22:21 – 00:22:30

This is the Internet. Mary Mary and I have talked life. We've been on Zoom calls talking life in Laravel. I couldn't tell you. No idea.

Ian

00:22:30 – 00:22:31

Idea. Right.

Aaron

00:22:31 – 00:22:32

No idea.

Ian

00:22:32 – 00:22:32

So funny.

Aaron

00:22:32 – 00:22:38

Can't even pronounce her handle. C Frias. C Frias. No idea. Pouncing stuff's

Ian

00:22:38 – 00:22:41

the worst from the Internet. That's, like, give me a bad idea to say anything.

Aaron

00:22:42 – 00:22:47

But friend friend of the pod, friend of mine, Mary. We'll find out your last name soon, Mary.

Ian

00:22:48 – 00:22:55

We actually have another follow-up. It's just in the regular topic area of chat. So, like, you we talked about in the show last week.

Aaron

00:22:55 – 00:22:56

Yep.

Ian

00:22:56 – 00:23:06

Chat g p ting yourself and your style, and you did that, and you were kinda blown away. That. And then you put that on Twitter's and people other people were blown away. Yeah. So there was a little bit of feedback.

Ian

00:23:06 – 00:23:11

I don't know if there was anything in particular that you felt interesting as well as, like, if you've gone farther with

Aaron

00:23:12 – 00:23:20

it. I haven't gone farther with it, but, yeah, I, you know, put it out on Twitter last week after you told me to, and then I got tons of credit for the great idea. So awesome. Love that. Yeah.

Ian

00:23:20 – 00:23:21

I know. Good for me.

Aaron

00:23:21 – 00:23:22

The Yeah.

Ian

00:23:22 – 00:23:23

You guys I tagged you.

Aaron

00:23:23 – 00:23:24

I tagged you, but then people

Ian

00:23:24 – 00:23:24

You guys

Aaron

00:23:24 – 00:23:29

then people were quoting me, and it's like, well, you know, we lost Ian to the sands of time. Sorry about that.

Ian

00:23:29 – 00:23:32

The story of my life. Good idea. It's not the credit.

Aaron

00:23:32 – 00:23:46

Quick. I'll come back to that. I have a funny note on that. But, yeah, it was great. You know, Arvid called it, and he had a good idea to to do, like, what is it?

Aaron

00:23:46 – 00:23:55

Where, like, you make it challenge your writing style. Mhmm. And so he was like, you know, tell me about the writing style of Harvard Call. Great. Tell me how our recall could improve.

Aaron

00:23:55 – 00:24:15

And I thought, oh, that's interesting. So I need to do that. And then some people were doing it for, like, their open source issues and being like, how does this person respond to issues normally? And it's like, oh, in a friendly and kind manner. And so, yeah, if you haven't tried it yet and you have any amount of writing out there, give it a try.

Aaron

00:24:15 – 00:24:27

I think the next step for me is gonna be instead of, like, telling chat gpt how to write, I'm gonna tell chat gpt to write as me now that I know that it knows who I am.

Ian

00:24:27 – 00:24:28

Right. So if that helps.

Aaron

00:24:29 – 00:24:39

Yeah. To see if that helps get the style better the first time. Because man, on that last article, it got it like 30% of the way there, which is just not that much. So You could probably

Ian

00:24:39 – 00:24:52

just start building out a more elaborate prompt. Like, as you see things, it's not doing right to, like, add to some baseline prompt with, like, never do this and always do that and whatever. Yeah. Exactly. Flush that out a bit.

Aaron

00:24:52 – 00:24:57

Yeah. So that that's the goal. Yeah. Super pleased with it. Good idea, Ian.

Aaron

00:24:57 – 00:24:59

Sorry that I stole all the credit, but

Ian

00:24:59 – 00:24:59

That's it.

Aaron

00:24:59 – 00:25:00

You know?

Ian

00:25:00 – 00:25:01

What's your side note there?

Aaron

00:25:01 – 00:25:18

To to the tweet or go the spoils. My side note is, speaking of losing your credit to the sands of time, there's this hysterical thing that my wife does sometimes where I'll, like, tell just I'll just tell a killer joke, just like best jokes, a little quip response thing.

Ian

00:25:18 – 00:25:18

I don't

Aaron

00:25:18 – 00:25:29

say it super loud, and then my wife will take the exact same joke word for word and immediately say it louder and gets the gets the roaring applause of the room.

Ian

00:25:29 – 00:25:31

It's it's great. She does it all the time

Aaron

00:25:31 – 00:25:37

to me. I'll have, like, a little side comment and be like, oh, this is hysterical. She'll laugh and say it louder and get the credit.

Ian

00:25:38 – 00:25:40

You gotta stop mumbling. Put your stuff out there.

Aaron

00:25:40 – 00:25:47

I gotta stop mumbling. It's just the funniest thing. And then she's always like, oh, no. That was Aaron's joke. It's like it's too late.

Aaron

00:25:47 – 00:25:49

Nobody cares. You get all the credit for that.

Ian

00:25:49 – 00:25:52

Yeah. It's all it's all about the person that puts it out

Aaron

00:25:52 – 00:25:55

there. You gotta put it out there. What a scam.

Ian

00:25:55 – 00:26:00

This is all part of your philosophy. You gotta put it out there. It doesn't matter if you have the idea. Whatever it is,

Aaron

00:26:00 – 00:26:00

wherever you

Ian

00:26:00 – 00:26:03

find the idea, you gotta put you be the one to put it out there.

Aaron

00:26:03 – 00:26:04

I know.

Ian

00:26:04 – 00:26:05

You get the upside.

Aaron

00:26:05 – 00:26:13

And maybe, you know, maybe it's just that I'm workshopping material, and I'm seeing how it goes over. But I by the time I know that it went over well, she's already repeated it to the room.

Ian

00:26:15 – 00:26:23

Yeah. I mean, I guess she just gets to ignore the stupid shit you say. So this is, like Yes. It's it's been pre filtered. It's like, oh, that's a good one.

Ian

00:26:23 – 00:26:26

Yeah. I'll use that. I'll ignore the stupid stuff he says.

Aaron

00:26:26 – 00:26:27

Oh, it's a scam.

Ian

00:26:27 – 00:26:28

Genius. I

Aaron

00:26:28 – 00:26:32

know. She's a she is a genius. Alright. Alright.

Ian

00:26:32 – 00:26:44

First topic here. We're gonna do you were traveling this week, so let's do check check bag or no check bag. This is the I don't know if we're gonna go to the Dan Sheets, method here.

Aaron

00:26:44 – 00:26:48

Oh, okay. I didn't wanna say any names because I didn't wanna out anybody because

Ian

00:26:48 – 00:26:49

of this. We'll give him credit.

Aaron

00:26:50 – 00:26:53

I don't think he he should have credit. This is a terrible idea.

Ian

00:26:53 – 00:26:55

You're This is just crazy.

Aaron

00:26:56 – 00:27:05

This is crazy. So I traveled, you know, I traveled out of town this weekend with some friends, and Dan Sheets, since you named him, I'm gonna out him. Dan Sheets was one of those

Ian

00:27:06 – 00:27:09

own this. Yeah. He's about one of the co founders of Titan.

Aaron

00:27:09 – 00:27:17

I told him, this is this is crazy, Dan. You're a crazy man. His his theory, his his strongly held belief

Ian

00:27:17 – 00:27:18

Very strongly held.

Aaron

00:27:18 – 00:27:24

Is that checking a bag is not only is not only acceptable, it is preferable.

Ian

00:27:25 – 00:27:25

Yes.

Aaron

00:27:25 – 00:27:26

It is better

Ian

00:27:26 – 00:27:27

He's a big believer.

Aaron

00:27:28 – 00:27:32

Bag on purpose Yes. Even even if it's a carry on sized bag.

Ian

00:27:32 – 00:27:35

Yes. Even if you could fit it in the overhead. If you

Aaron

00:27:35 – 00:27:36

could fit it.

Ian

00:27:36 – 00:27:48

Not that you have to I think he does obviously take advantage of the bigger bag because he'll have, like, 4 pairs of shoes or whatever. He's like, why limit my belt? But even if you don't yeah. 6 hats. But even if you don't do that, you should just always check.

Ian

00:27:48 – 00:27:49

Yes. That's it

Aaron

00:27:49 – 00:28:02

for you. Okay. Nonsense. But here's here's I will steal, man, his position, which is crazy. His position is then you get to walk around the airport without a bag, and he's, you know, he's flinging his arms.

Ian

00:28:02 – 00:28:03

He's like, look how free

Aaron

00:28:03 – 00:28:09

look how free I am. And I'm like, oh, that doesn't move me. My bag has 4 wheels. I just roll it. It's not, you know, it's not that simple.

Ian

00:28:09 – 00:28:12

Right? He could fill his hand with a beverage

Aaron

00:28:12 – 00:28:12

or Exactly.

Ian

00:28:12 – 00:28:13

Some sort.

Aaron

00:28:13 – 00:28:21

That's point number 2. Then he's like, then I don't have to fight the plebs for overhead space. I'm like That's true.

Ian

00:28:21 – 00:28:25

Okay. I you know, I kinda I kinda buy that. I fly southwest

Aaron

00:28:25 – 00:28:33

a lot. Southwest is just a cattle car, you know, in the air. And so you're Yeah. You know, you're you're fighting normies left and right. It's terrible.

Aaron

00:28:33 – 00:28:33

It's like you're at

Ian

00:28:33 – 00:28:34

the DMV.

Aaron

00:28:35 – 00:28:42

And so I get that as as a southwest, you know, connoisseur, I get that that you are always kinda, like, jockeying for overhead space.

Ian

00:28:42 – 00:28:47

On the plane so that you can, like, get a spot. It's not it's not that big it's not that big of a deal. As long

Aaron

00:28:47 – 00:29:02

as you're not, like, group c, you're gonna have overhead space. You're gonna find a spot for your bag. And then he says on the other side, you get off the plane. You kinda take it slow. You grab a beer, and then you walk down to baggage claim, and you get your bag and you walk out.

Aaron

00:29:02 – 00:29:04

And I'm just like, no way, man.

Ian

00:29:04 – 00:29:05

I get off the plane, and

Aaron

00:29:05 – 00:29:14

I just walk away because I have my bag. I never risk losing my bag. That's gotta be a big thing. Right? Fully I'm gonna make it up.

Aaron

00:29:14 – 00:29:16

Fully fully 15% of bags

Ian

00:29:16 – 00:29:19

get lost. Seems Easily. Seems Easily.

Aaron

00:29:20 – 00:29:26

Call it 12. It's still too high. Sure. 0% of the time do I lose my bag It does when it's above my bag.

Ian

00:29:26 – 00:29:27

Lose your bag. That's true.

Aaron

00:29:27 – 00:29:29

Right? Yeah. So you get there, and you You never lost your bag

Ian

00:29:29 – 00:29:30

and carried on.

Aaron

00:29:31 – 00:29:46

Exactly. Exactly. So this is this is his theory, and I'm telling him, this is crazy. This is this is nonsense. And I don't this is I I immediately I was at this dinner listening to him say this and trying to rebut him, and that's when I texted you.

Aaron

00:29:46 – 00:29:49

And I was like, bags, check check bags, no bags. Gotta talk about it on the

Ian

00:29:49 – 00:29:50

pod. So where

Aaron

00:29:50 – 00:29:55

where do you stand? Is it a luxury to check a bag or or is Stan insane?

Ian

00:29:55 – 00:30:12

Since I've been exposed to this philosophy, so it's definitely, no check unless, you know, there was times with the kids traveling, we have checked bags because there was just no choice. We're bringing 400 diapers and whatever. That's the thing. Whatever. But when I'm traveling by myself is obviously the main scenario.

Ian

00:30:13 – 00:30:27

So I have to have a side story on that too. But, in general, I I I like this philosophy. Actually, I do sort of appreciate it. But for me, you know, if I start, I don't drink on the plane. I don't really care to drink before the plane.

Ian

00:30:27 – 00:30:39

Like, I'm gonna have to get up and go pee and whatever. I don't wanna deal with it. So, like, I'd like, I tend to like window seats, so I gotta like move past everybody. So I have this whole, like, that whole thing going on. Yeah.

Ian

00:30:39 – 00:30:52

And when I get off the plane, I definitely don't wanna drink or do anything else. I just wanna like go to wherever I'm going. Yes. And I will say I do feel like check bags come a lot quicker than they used to. Like I, in recent times I've checked the bag.

Ian

00:30:52 – 00:31:01

I haven't waited. I feel like you used to wait like an hour and a half and Yes. Be, like, wandering around. It's horrible. Like, I do think now they're they are seem to be faster.

Ian

00:31:02 – 00:31:10

And I do think also if you're in a big city, like in New York, he's in Chicago, where you're gonna get a lot of direct flights, like, then you don't have as much risk of the losing the bag.

Aaron

00:31:10 – 00:31:11

That's true.

Ian

00:31:11 – 00:31:17

Usually the losing the bag is that doesn't make the plane. Yeah. Yeah. So like, you don't have to worry about that. So that's a big thing.

Ian

00:31:20 – 00:31:30

So yeah, I don't know. I kind of see both sides. Okay. But I will say I've kind of gone in my recent bigger travels. I have gone the other way from this advice in the sense of, but I wasn't by myself.

Ian

00:31:30 – 00:31:53

But when we went to Europe, we were going 2 big trips to Europe as a family. And the first time we were gonna we were there for a long time, but still we each had a carry on. We each had a backpack and we had one other bag because just for, like, overflow of random stuff. Cause we were going to be there for 2 months and we took all this shit to Europe and it was a pain in the ass. Right.

Ian

00:31:53 – 00:32:26

Fine. And then we went from Paris to Italy and we did that on the train and it was all right. It was on the fast train and we had to transfer trains from the fast train in Milan to this little local train, to get to Luca, Italy. And on this local train, I've never felt worse about myself literally my whole life. This is like one of the top couple times I've ever felt horrible about myself, about America, about everything.

Ian

00:32:27 – 00:32:40

Because this train was not designed to have everybody has 2 bags that are pretty big. That's actually right. So, in the little, like, when you get onto the train, there's like a little space. Okay. Little landing.

Ian

00:32:40 – 00:32:47

Yeah. 8 by 8 landing type thing on this train. And I have all of our bags stacked there. Yeah. And people getting on and off this train.

Ian

00:32:47 – 00:33:01

And I'm like, this is the most embarrassing, ridiculous that what do we need all this ship for? Why do we have 20 bags? It's insanity. Immediately made as an American. Regarding the bags on the train, it was just horrible.

Ian

00:33:01 – 00:33:05

Everything about it was horrible. It was the most egregious American

Aaron

00:33:06 – 00:33:14

overconsistently. Tennis shoes and a Mickey Mouse shirt, so they know you're American. They they would never be caught dead in tennis shoes.

Ian

00:33:15 – 00:33:17

Everybody knew I was American. They they there was no doubt

Aaron

00:33:17 – 00:33:18

about that.

Ian

00:33:18 – 00:33:25

I could have been in anything. I could have been in rags, and they would have been like, look at this frickin American with this 32 bags of luggage.

Aaron

00:33:25 – 00:33:28

They'd be like, who's the American wearing skinny black jeans?

Ian

00:33:28 – 00:33:36

Anything. So then the second time we were went, we're like, we are never doing that again. Forget it. So everybody only got a backpack. That was it.

Ian

00:33:36 – 00:33:43

Me and my wife had Back pack? A backpack. Me and my wife had this bigger Tom Binn kinda, like, travel backpack thing.

Aaron

00:33:43 – 00:33:44

So What?

Ian

00:33:44 – 00:33:56

Bigger than a normal backpack, but it was like the size of a carry on, basically, but, like, soft sided. So it was like, we each had one of those. The kids had backpacks. That's it. No luggage.

Ian

00:33:57 – 00:34:00

Rude. We were there for 3 weeks that time. And we're like, nope.

Aaron

00:34:00 – 00:34:01

3 weeks.

Ian

00:34:01 – 00:34:11

We're gonna make it work. Everybody wears the same couple things anyway, all the time. We're just gonna only have those couple things and that's it. We're gonna do laundry a few times. And it was awesome.

Ian

00:34:11 – 00:34:19

Bold move. Like, it was just like, we could move fast. You could jump on things, jump off them, anything, whatever. We could move quick. It was great.

Ian

00:34:20 – 00:34:27

We weren't embarrassed by the, pile of luggage. It was fantastic. So that's my advice is you can make it work Less luggage.

Aaron

00:34:27 – 00:34:28

No no way.

Ian

00:34:28 – 00:34:29

Less No

Aaron

00:34:29 – 00:34:32

way. No way I'm taking a family to Europe, and we're only taking backpacks.

Ian

00:34:32 – 00:34:34

Here's what I would do. I would go

Aaron

00:34:34 – 00:34:38

to Europe and not go anywhere else. That's that's what I would do. Like, I would

Ian

00:34:38 – 00:34:39

just go to Paris. Yeah. Yeah. Just

Aaron

00:34:39 – 00:34:41

and just hang out there.

Ian

00:34:42 – 00:34:47

Yeah. You know, how often do you get there? It's like you want to see a couple of things. I don't see anything. You could, I'm gonna

Aaron

00:34:47 – 00:34:50

be, I'm gonna be honest. I don't wanna see anything. I just wanna know.

Ian

00:34:50 – 00:35:05

You're too deep in the muck right now, but in a couple years when, like, when your youngest is 6 or 7, like, you could actually take them places because they can hold their own luggage, and they could do stuff, and you don't have to do Yeah. And that's fine.

Aaron

00:35:05 – 00:35:12

But there's a 0% chance I'm taking a little train to some little town in Italy. We're going somewhere with infrastructure and we're just we're staying at

Ian

00:35:12 – 00:35:16

this house. Stop at Milan. You're not going on to the next little town spot.

Aaron

00:35:16 – 00:35:17

Exactly. Exactly.

Ian

00:35:18 – 00:35:19

And the little town was awesome, though.

Aaron

00:35:20 – 00:35:27

Here's here's what I'm hearing about the the Dan Sheets theory of luggage. I hear that you you can intellectually ascent to

Ian

00:35:27 – 00:35:29

it, but you emotionally, you

Aaron

00:35:29 – 00:35:30

you think it's crazy.

Ian

00:35:30 – 00:35:33

Yeah. You're you're trying you're trying to hedge. You're trying to hedge

Aaron

00:35:33 – 00:35:39

and be like, oh, well, I get it what Dan is saying. Yeah. You think it's crazy. You don't abide by that.

Ian

00:35:39 – 00:35:54

Part of me would love love the idea of, like, oh, I have, like, 5 pairs of shoes. Like, I have, like, ten shirts, and I can just wear whatever I feel like. Like, I can really make a decision in the moment. Like, what do I need to wear tonight or whatever? But then, yeah, in practice, like, calling all that stuff around is kind of

Aaron

00:35:54 – 00:35:55

annoying.

Ian

00:35:55 – 00:35:56

So yeah.

Aaron

00:35:56 – 00:35:58

No way. Alright. Good. Well, I'm glad we're

Ian

00:35:58 – 00:35:59

on the same page. Settled. So

Aaron

00:35:59 – 00:36:02

Settled. Sorry, Dan. Bad theory.

Ian

00:36:04 – 00:36:09

Alright. Do we wanna do tech, or we wanna go with, go with the other one here? Which one

Aaron

00:36:10 – 00:36:13

first? Let's, let's go with the other one first.

Ian

00:36:13 – 00:36:17

Alright. So you start. You kick that off to our topic.

Aaron

00:36:17 – 00:36:29

I'm hanging I'm hanging with some people, and I'm like, I've got this ambitious goal for my life. You know? And I'm like, hey, guys. I have this ambitious goal. And they're all like, man, you should double it.

Aaron

00:36:29 – 00:36:30

It's not ambitious enough.

Ian

00:36:30 – 00:36:34

You could do you you could do that easily. A money goal.

Aaron

00:36:34 – 00:36:35

A money goal.

Ian

00:36:35 – 00:36:35

And I

Aaron

00:36:35 – 00:36:57

was just like, that's really helpful because, you know, you you the water you swim in dictates what you think is normal. Right? And the way that you grew up dictates what you think is normal. And so the way that I grew up, I've got this number, and I'm thinking that would be I would be I would be King Solomon. I'd be richer than any man on earth.

Aaron

00:36:57 – 00:37:06

And I go to this other thing for these people. You know, we're all hanging out and, you know, talking business and stuff. And I'm like, what if I was King Solomon? They're like, nah, dawg. That's not the right number.

Aaron

00:37:07 – 00:37:15

You gotta double it. And it's great. It's like Yeah. Oh, shoot. Maybe I am, you know, maybe I am thinking small.

Aaron

00:37:16 – 00:37:24

And so I just came home from this, like, you know, hangout slash mastermind thinking, oh, I gotta think bigger. I could

Ian

00:37:24 – 00:37:25

I could do a

Aaron

00:37:25 – 00:37:28

lot I could do a lot bigger. That's really valuable.

Ian

00:37:29 – 00:37:49

Yeah. Being in that mindset, it does change a lot when you realize you can do more than you've when you think outside that box that you've made for yourself of, like, well, this is the most I could accomplish reasonably. But then maybe you're just not being reasonable. Like, maybe if you get something rolling, it actually could be bigger than your expectation there. Right?

Ian

00:37:49 – 00:37:56

And it's like, yeah, having other people who, you know, in this case, a lot of these people have done that and yes, gone bigger and,

Aaron

00:37:56 – 00:38:05

there's there's perks to being the poorest person there. There are definitely yeah. I definitely feel like, oh, I gotta I gotta pull myself up by my bootstraps here.

Ian

00:38:05 – 00:38:32

It is tricky because there is, like, the balance of, like, you don't wanna set, like, expectations and then feel bad you don't hit them because it's like it is unrealistic or or whatever, but at the same time, it's like, it's totally doable. Like, you're not talking about like, like, a $100,000,000 and it's like, no, like that. You double. It is actually a reasonable goal. Like it's actually not.

Ian

00:38:33 – 00:38:43

Yeah. If you feel like you could do the baseline, then whatever you think is baseline doubling that is actually not that much. It's not like saying a 100 x. It's No. Just double.

Ian

00:38:43 – 00:38:47

Like, if you tweak one thing correctly, you could get to double. Like, that's

Aaron

00:38:47 – 00:38:56

not unreasonable. That blew my mind. Right. That that part where that part where it's just like, oh, you had to think bigger. Like, I thought I was thinking big.

Ian

00:38:56 – 00:38:56

And they're

Aaron

00:38:56 – 00:38:58

like, no, no, no, no. You had to think bigger.

Ian

00:38:58 – 00:39:02

Oh, shoot. You're right. You you thought you were thinking big, but you were just thinking medium. Big.

Aaron

00:39:03 – 00:39:23

Yeah. I was thinking medium. I need to think large. It's like, it's like one of the later seasons of the office, which is not they're not very good, and they host they host this, like, small business seminar in the office, and they get Kevin to be the hype man. And he's running around, and his whole speech is basically dream as big as you can and then double it.

Ian

00:39:23 – 00:39:24

And I'm

Aaron

00:39:24 – 00:39:28

like, yeah. That's what I gotta do. I gotta dream as big as I can.

Ian

00:39:28 – 00:39:30

15 years ago. But yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Aaron

00:39:31 – 00:39:39

Exact it it hits harder coming from friends than Kevin Malone on The Office, I will say. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. So feels good, man.

Ian

00:39:39 – 00:39:55

It's all about the it just helps you with the planning aspect too, because it's just, like, just doing those little tweaks that might be open yourself up to different opportunities or different, paths that you're like, oh, if I wanted to be double, I gotta do this thing or whatever. Like, just thinking a little differently there.

Aaron

00:39:56 – 00:40:01

Yeah. And I I truly you know, I'm becoming a woo woo guy. I truly do think

Ian

00:40:01 – 00:40:02

Positively.

Aaron

00:40:02 – 00:40:10

That that has that has a huge effect. Like, the the ceiling that you set for yourself has a huge effect on the ceiling that you actually hit. And I know that's, like

Ian

00:40:10 – 00:40:11

It does.

Aaron

00:40:11 – 00:40:20

That's probably that's probably a little out there. But this whole mind body, this whole sickness, my mind is causing problems. I'm gonna crush it in my mind vice. I'm just

Ian

00:40:20 – 00:40:23

Mind vice. Mind I'm mind guy these days.

Aaron

00:40:23 – 00:40:25

I gotta get my mind right.

Ian

00:40:25 – 00:40:48

Yeah. Well, I mean, there are, there are these lines where, like, there is you have to make a different decision to get past the line. Like, it's not a 100% true, but it's just like it's like with software, right? Like bootstrapping a software company for the most part is going to put a certain ceiling on what you can accomplish. Like not a 100% true.

Ian

00:40:48 – 00:40:51

Obviously we can come up with examples of huge companies that work

Aaron

00:40:51 – 00:40:54

for example, right? Like, but

Ian

00:40:54 – 00:41:27

in general, like if you take more money and go faster and have more resources to market and do all these things, like, you're you're more likely, if you succeed, to have a bigger outcome. Now you're also lowering your probability that you will succeed on any level. Like, that is the trade off you're making there. But but even so that's, like, the extreme example, but then there's even the small examples like, well, I'm gonna do I'm gonna put this much money into this even if you're bootstrapping versus, like, well, if I wanna go bigger, I wanna have higher upside. Maybe I have to put more money in that or Maybe I gotta

Aaron

00:41:27 – 00:41:29

spend some money. Whatever.

Ian

00:41:29 – 00:41:51

Right. I gotta where I was gonna not spend anything and lower my risk, I'm gonna spend something. But then if that works, I'm gonna have more upside even within my somewhat constrained upside of being bootstrap versus being VC funded or whatever. So it does change your decisions when you think a little bit bigger and outside the box Big time. And what you wanna do there, which is yeah.

Aaron

00:41:51 – 00:42:08

And I I've even started think I I've even started thinking, like, this whole indie hacker side project thing. Like, is this classifying oneself as an indie hacker, you're doing side projects, is that, like, artificially limiting? Like, what if you just said, I Oh,

Ian

00:42:08 – 00:42:10

I I had just a thought the other day.

Aaron

00:42:10 – 00:42:24

Yeah. Yeah. Like, I'm not an indie hacker. I am a serious person doing a serious business venture, and I'm not gonna I'm not gonna call it some indie hacker and make cute little jokes about not doing marketing? Like, yeah, that makes

Ian

00:42:24 – 00:42:25

it look like.

Aaron

00:42:25 – 00:42:25

Right?

Ian

00:42:25 – 00:42:35

I think so. I mean, so I'm the generation before the indie hacker where we were bootstrappers. But what we were bootstrapping was a company. Yes. Like that's specifically what we were doing.

Ian

00:42:35 – 00:42:49

We're making a software company, but we don't have the dotcom money where they're just throwing all the money around. So we have to do it ourselves, and that's what we're doing, but we're making a company. That's the mindset. And I do feel like the indie hacker stuff. Like, this case came the other day.

Ian

00:42:49 – 00:42:55

I saw somebody tweet about, like, whatever. They wanna make a SaaS a month for 12 months. And I was like, this seems like a very bad idea. Like like,

Aaron

00:42:55 – 00:42:56

like, it's playing house.

Ian

00:42:56 – 00:43:05

How can you get? Yeah. How can you, how can you get anything going? Like, you're just spraying and hoping like one just totally magically hits. Like, you're not gonna put any effort into it.

Ian

00:43:05 – 00:43:17

Like, because how can you, you have to move on to the next thing next month or whatever. And so I just feel like that's a bad way to start a company. It's like, no, pick the best idea. And then you're gonna have to put some time and effort into it. And maybe it's not gonna

Aaron

00:43:17 – 00:43:18

work be serious about it. Yeah.

Ian

00:43:18 – 00:43:37

But like, you're gonna have to be serious about it if you wanna have the upside. And again, like everybody there's been the 5 people that, that did just randomly build something in 2 hours and it took off and they turned it into a big thing. But that's really not how it goes most of the time. You have to put a lot of effort in. It takes a it's really hard to figure out Takes

Aaron

00:43:37 – 00:43:38

a lot of work.

Ian

00:43:38 – 00:43:56

The marketing of something and how to reach people, especially the people who actually spend money on the thing you're building versus just the people who you know on Twitter who say it's a cool idea, but are not gonna buy it or gonna buy a one user license, which Right. That's great. $50 a month that does nothing for you. So, like, you know I feel

Aaron

00:43:56 – 00:44:06

like calling yourself an indie actor gives you gives you, like, a pressure escape valve. You're like, ah, I don't know. I failed. I just got, you know, a whole bunch of side projects. And

Ian

00:44:06 – 00:44:07

Yeah. I just feel

Aaron

00:44:07 – 00:44:20

like it's it's it's taken on this it's taken on this patina of, like like, fake, almost like an excuse. It's like, oh, well, I'm just an indie hacker.

Ian

00:44:20 – 00:44:35

Like, well, this is that should we stop calling ourselves that? Yeah. I don't know. I don't keep up with how people use the term, but my impression of the term is, like, yeah, I'm just doing a bunch of little things, and I'm not putting a lot of effort into any of them necessarily or or heavy effort.

Aaron

00:44:35 – 00:44:37

And you can't criticize me

Ian

00:44:37 – 00:45:01

because I'm an Indian actor. I think that's doing a disservice. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's just doing yourself a big disservice, and you're you're gonna just get more out of picking something and trying it, like, with max effort, even if it fails and then do the next thing because, like, you're gonna learn a lot about, like, like, oh, like, this marketing channel was hard to reach or I didn't, like, know I didn't know x, y, z, and now I do.

Ian

00:45:01 – 00:45:06

And, like, I learned some stuff. It's like if you're just throwing out if you're just doing the code part, which is the fun part. Right? Like The

Aaron

00:45:06 – 00:45:07

fun part.

Ian

00:45:07 – 00:45:24

Then you're not actually learning a lot about the part that actually makes you money, which is the business part. And so that's kind of putting you behind the 8 ball a little bit there on what you're gonna be able to accomplish most likely, unless you just get lucky, It's not the best strategy. I mean, it's really It's not a

Aaron

00:45:24 – 00:45:29

great not a great strategy. So what do I what's what should it is it business

Ian

00:45:36 – 00:45:37

Like, that's what I'm doing.

Aaron

00:45:37 – 00:45:41

No. We gotta play the mental game. To me. I'm woo yeah. I'm woo woo guy.

Ian

00:45:41 – 00:45:57

I'm still bootstrap to me, bootstrapping is the right name for it because it's like, you're not getting money, but you're starting a company. Like, that's what you're doing. And that's what it means, but maybe there's other name. I'm I'm open to other names for the kids these days and something more modern. Yeah.

Aaron

00:45:57 – 00:45:59

Bootstrapping. I'm gonna be

Ian

00:45:59 – 00:46:00

an indie tycoon. You gotta find something.

Aaron

00:46:00 – 00:46:01

That's what I'm gonna be.

Ian

00:46:02 – 00:46:02

Yeah. And you take.

Aaron

00:46:02 – 00:46:06

Indi. It's it's good. It's cool. It's bad. I like it.

Aaron

00:46:06 – 00:46:17

Indi tycoon. Speaking of, speaking of tycoon and, making money, I've got I've got a screen casting training this morning.

Ian

00:46:18 – 00:46:20

That's right. So what what's up with that?

Aaron

00:46:20 – 00:46:22

Like a team license.

Ian

00:46:22 – 00:46:25

It's great. So cool. I love that. So what what are you gonna be doing?

Aaron

00:46:26 – 00:46:46

I don't know, man. So I sold, you know, a license to this company, and they want 3 or 4 seats. I forget how many. And then, like, a, you know, not a 1 on 1, but, like, a team, like, hands on session. And so here in, you know, 30 minutes, I'm gonna be jumping on a call and talking to this team for an hour or so.

Aaron

00:46:46 – 00:47:06

And I think they basically wanna know, like, how do we create compelling content for our company? It's like, great. I could talk to you for an hour about that easily. But I think that's a good I think that's a good angle that I could try to actively pursue more is, like Yeah. Team trainings, dev ed trainings, like that sort

Ian

00:47:06 – 00:47:11

of thing. So I Okay. I don't love that. Ready. But I'm ready.

Ian

00:47:12 – 00:47:17

No. No. I just no. I I just I this is we're gonna use what we just talked about. Okay.

Ian

00:47:17 – 00:47:19

I don't think you're thinking big enough about it.

Aaron

00:47:19 – 00:47:21

Oh, alright. Yeah. Tell me.

Ian

00:47:21 – 00:47:33

So you already sell a product, which is hands on training for how to do screen casting. Right? Okay. That is that is your what you just said. That is your baseline training.

Ian

00:47:33 – 00:47:38

Okay. Like there it is by the screencast. It's $300 or whatever. Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

Ian

00:47:38 – 00:47:45

Uh-huh. The thing you, I mean, whatever. If people wanna pay for some additional, like, an hour with you, fine. Sure. Thing.

Ian

00:47:45 – 00:47:49

Don't do that. That's great. Whatever. But the thing that next levels it

Aaron

00:47:49 – 00:47:50

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Ian

00:47:50 – 00:47:56

Is what you need to sell is the high level strategy. So this is for the CEO, for the CMO.

Aaron

00:47:56 – 00:47:57

How do really

Ian

00:47:57 – 00:48:10

internet market? Look, I've had success doing this. I'm gonna teach you how to do it. I'm gonna Look at I've had success doing this. I'm gonna teach you how to do it.

Ian

00:48:10 – 00:48:12

Oh, it's $10,000

Aaron

00:48:13 – 00:48:14

or whatever. Right.

Ian

00:48:14 – 00:48:33

It's a chunk of money because you're gonna go off and hire 3 people to do this. That means they're gonna go spend at least $1,000,000 a year or $700,000 a year. So what is it worth to them to know how to do that correctly? It's worth tens of 1,000 of dollars. Otherwise they're gonna waste $600,000 I know.

Aaron

00:48:33 – 00:48:35

Be an antique tycoon. This is great.

Ian

00:48:35 – 00:48:39

This is another thing I'm not gonna get credit for, but that's a wrap. No. No. No. No.

Ian

00:48:39 – 00:48:40

No. Cut it

Aaron

00:48:40 – 00:48:44

out, Dave. This is my idea. Change the voice. This is my idea. Okay.

Aaron

00:48:44 – 00:48:55

So what you're telling me is, the thing that I am teaching is for is is for the normies like me, the people that are executing on the task.

Ian

00:48:55 – 00:48:57

Executors. Right.

Aaron

00:48:57 – 00:49:14

And I can I can, you know, scale up, you know, the hands on, this the individual hands on thing is $1,000? The teams Right. You know, teams pay more. But you're saying that that's capped. At some point, I can only teach the practitioners so much, and they get so much value out of it.

Aaron

00:49:14 – 00:49:14

And the same

Ian

00:49:14 – 00:49:26

time value money of you, what you can offer there. And that's also something that's more like you could you can ship the videos and teach people that and maybe do some hands on stuff. But, yes, the next level up is the the economic value.

Aaron

00:49:26 – 00:49:33

The next level up is for the suits, and I teach or talk to the suits about a strategy

Ian

00:49:34 – 00:49:34

Right.

Aaron

00:49:35 – 00:49:38

That they can then hire implementors to do.

Ian

00:49:38 – 00:49:39

Right.

Aaron

00:49:39 – 00:49:41

And so I can teach them yeah. I'm a consultant.

Ian

00:49:43 – 00:50:03

And you're teaching them the strategy of how to execute on this type of program so that they can drive business using YouTube and whatever other stuff you're gonna have in there. But video, how to use video to increase your, you know, funnel. You have to figure out the right keywords for all that stuff and whatever the rules, but

Aaron

00:50:03 – 00:50:05

like, how to use video to increase

Ian

00:50:05 – 00:50:11

your funnel. This is where the budget is. This is where the money is. This is gonna be less time and more money. That's what that's gonna be.

Ian

00:50:12 – 00:50:21

Wow. Look, it's all the economics. Right? Like the per if you teach a person, like, they're limited by their salary. How much salary could they ever make?

Ian

00:50:21 – 00:50:39

Right? So how much could they ever spend? And even and even if it's done is like training, like even to go to their boss, like I wanna get this training. There's only you can't charge $10,000 for that because every boss in the world's gonna say no, we're not gonna spend $10,000 to train you how to do this thing for an hour or 2 hours or whatever. But then you go up the next level.

Ian

00:50:39 – 00:50:50

That's where all the money is. It's like, well, the marketing budget of this company is $2,000,000 a year. Well, how now I'm gonna save you or, you know, it might be saving money. It's probably better to I'm gonna make it more valuable. Yeah.

Ian

00:50:50 – 00:51:02

Your $2,000,000 is gonna turn into $10,000,000 instead of your $2,000,000 maybe only making you 2,000,000 back or 3,000,000 or whatever. You're gonna increase that upside on your marketing spend.

Aaron

00:51:03 – 00:51:04

This is what I'm

Ian

00:51:04 – 00:51:05

talking about. You.

Aaron

00:51:06 – 00:51:07

This is good stuff.

Ian

00:51:07 – 00:51:10

There we go. We're making headway here, baby.

Aaron

00:51:10 – 00:51:18

Then I could actually I could actually and I would probably have someone else do this for me. I could actually do outbound emailing

Ian

00:51:19 – 00:51:19

Right.

Aaron

00:51:19 – 00:51:26

Or link Linkdinning. Yeah. I think that that could act for $10,000, that could actually I could do that.

Ian

00:51:26 – 00:51:41

Yeah. I mean, I think that you could def so that's, like, I would, to me, that would be secondary, although definitely feasible. Like, I feel like with your video channels, you could already reach those people. Like, you just have to make those videos. You know, and it's like always that balance.

Ian

00:51:41 – 00:51:56

You see people doing of like, you can't give away everything, but you're gonna give away enough. And like, then they're gonna come to you for the actual execution of in their space. Because no matter what video you make, you're gonna have some example company or whatever you come up with. Right. That's not the same as, like, this person in their industry.

Ian

00:51:56 – 00:52:16

Whereas you can spend time thinking about their industry, their company, coming up with an actual plan with them and all that kinda of stuff. I mean, again, depends how far you go there. If you go that far, now it's more than $10,000 Right? Like Yeah. If we're gonna have a multi month engagement where we really hash out your specific problems, that's even more of a larger thing.

Ian

00:52:16 – 00:52:26

But I imagine you could also have, like, a, hey, it's $10 for, like, an 8 hour workshop or a 2, 3 hour session. I don't know. Whatever. You have

Aaron

00:52:26 – 00:52:31

to figure that out. But, like You know, I do a week or 2 of research, and then we have a 2, 3 hour call that

Ian

00:52:31 – 00:52:37

Something like that. Yeah. Right. There's probably different ways. You'd have to figure out the right, you know, way to package it up.

Ian

00:52:37 – 00:52:37

But,

Aaron

00:52:37 – 00:52:38

right.

Ian

00:52:39 – 00:53:05

Yeah. I mean, I would imagine that there would be people very interested in that because it's all it's very hard thing to understand. I think what works on YouTube, let's just say in particular, what doesn't, how do you make something that resonates? Obviously everybody sees these ones that do big, but they also see, oh, there's 8,000,000,000 of these other ones that have 50 views and they spent tens of 1,000 of dollars for this video. And in the end, nobody saw it.

Ian

00:53:05 – 00:53:15

The I'll go trash them and Right. They don't understand how to make it work and all that stuff. So people are definitely looking for help. I'm sure, with this stuff. The ticket.

Ian

00:53:15 – 00:53:16

There you go.

Aaron

00:53:16 – 00:53:18

This is the ticket, man. This is how we go.

Ian

00:53:19 – 00:53:20

Week you're having? What are we doing?

Aaron

00:53:21 – 00:53:22

We gotta charge for this podcast.

Ian

00:53:22 – 00:53:25

We got an hour. This is great. This is Now

Aaron

00:53:25 – 00:53:29

we're thinking. Whatever we're gonna charge, we gotta charge double. I'm on I'm on double. I'm on a roll

Ian

00:53:29 – 00:53:32

here, man. Everything double. This is

Aaron

00:53:32 – 00:53:35

great. Okay. I I dig it. I'm glad I brought it up.

Ian

00:53:36 – 00:53:40

Yeah. This is where we hash these things out. I love it. That's amazing. Alright.

Ian

00:53:40 – 00:53:43

So we'll see where you go with that, but that's exciting. I like that idea.

Aaron

00:53:43 – 00:53:45

I'll keep I'll keep you posted there.

Ian

00:53:45 – 00:53:50

Keep us posted. Alright. So we have one topic left.

Aaron

00:53:50 – 00:53:53

We got one. I'm I'm very happy with this. Technical. We've got one

Ian

00:53:53 – 00:53:57

technical topic, so buckle up, folks. The preamble is

Aaron

00:53:57 – 00:54:00

over 53 minutes in. We're ready to

Ian

00:54:00 – 00:54:03

go. I'm very happy about this one, though. So that's why

Aaron

00:54:03 – 00:54:03

it needs

Ian

00:54:03 – 00:54:04

to be the only one.

Aaron

00:54:05 – 00:54:05

That's right.

Ian

00:54:05 – 00:54:15

Only one because it's very important, which is Taylor has, Taylor Hotwell of Laravel has decided to leave the config files in Laravel 11,

Aaron

00:54:16 – 00:54:17

which I'm very, very

Ian

00:54:17 – 00:54:20

happy about. We're so happy. So I'll I'll set

Aaron

00:54:20 – 00:54:23

I'll set the table, and then you tell me why you're so happy. So there was a

Ian

00:54:23 – 00:54:25

lot of, in Laravel, there are,

Aaron

00:54:25 – 00:54:36

you know, 10, 12, 15 config files that are just nicely organized. They just hold variables, like, what's your postmark keys? You What database driver do you want to use? That sort of thing. There are a bunch of them.

Aaron

00:54:36 – 00:55:13

There's been some conversation that all of those files are overwhelming to newcomers. I can't really say I haven't been a newcomer to Laravel in a long time, but I feel warm and fuzzy and at home having all these config files. And for a while, he was gonna change it to basically, like, 1, just default everything and then have one config file where you basically, like, configure it using methods on on, you know, a a variable application variable or something. And, you know, it kinda went back and forth of, are we doing this to make it easier for newcomers, or does it hide a bunch of stuff? And I think he's settled.

Aaron

00:55:14 – 00:55:20

Apparently, based on Twitter, he's settled on leaving the config files. So, Ian, how are you feeling?

Ian

00:55:20 – 00:55:27

I'm feeling great. I feel like a $1,000,000,000. I love the config files. I think they're super important. I love looking in the config files.

Aaron

00:55:27 – 00:55:28

Me too.

Ian

00:55:28 – 00:55:51

I don't wanna go to doc I mean, it puts a huge burden on documentation of stuff that's not not documented or semi documented, that would have to be done. I think also it was gonna be in the environmental file is where you were gonna be able to set things like Mhmm. Which to me, see, I don't like mixing those worlds. To me, the environmental file is, like, for passwords and keys and things like that. I know there are some exceptions of other stuff in there, but that's

Aaron

00:55:51 – 00:55:56

what you're making. You're making a distinction between config and secrets, basically.

Ian

00:55:56 – 00:56:02

Yes. Exactly. Like, the config is something I wanna commit to the repo. This is how it's configured. Like, this is how it deploys.

Ian

00:56:02 – 00:56:15

Right? Like, there's not an environmental factor to how this works if it's configured like x y z. Whereas if I'm now, like, setting my configuration stuff in the environment file, like, that's all like a weird mixing of worlds.

Aaron

00:56:15 – 00:56:15

Right.

Ian

00:56:15 – 00:56:27

It also makes the that's gonna make that file really huge, which I don't love. Like, I like to just go in there and be like, here's my keys. Here's my database password. That's kinda it. Like, there's not like a whole bunch of other stuff I have to wade through in there.

Ian

00:56:28 – 00:56:37

So I just think it's better all around. It's I think it's easier for newcomers. I think it's better for the docs. Think it's better for the users. So I'm very excited.

Ian

00:56:38 – 00:56:39

Very excited.

Aaron

00:56:39 – 00:56:44

I love you know? There's one thing I love. It's being right, And we were right, baby.

Ian

00:56:45 – 00:56:45

We were right.

Aaron

00:56:45 – 00:56:46

This this is the way to go.

Ian

00:56:47 – 00:56:53

Let's see, Tayl I I always trust in Taylor, and in the end Of course. Taylor makes the right decision. So Of course. You know?

Aaron

00:56:53 – 00:57:01

And I didn't for one second, I didn't think this is gonna this is gonna be terrible. I just let go and let God. And you know what? It came it came out

Ian

00:57:01 – 00:57:05

our way anyway. So here we are. Go. It's all worked out. Very hard

Aaron

00:57:05 – 00:57:06

work. Out.

Ian

00:57:07 – 00:57:10

So that's our big technical technical item for the week.

Aaron

00:57:10 – 00:57:15

We're somewhat technical. That's your technical topic. I think we should wrap on you

Ian

00:57:15 – 00:57:17

did you did a little field work this week.

Aaron

00:57:18 – 00:57:19

You went to Chipotle.

Ian

00:57:20 – 00:57:24

Oh, shoot. How do we not I we we haven't put this down. Holy cow.

Aaron

00:57:24 – 00:57:25

Thanks. Thanks for

Ian

00:57:25 – 00:57:26

choosing a trap.

Aaron

00:57:26 – 00:57:28

I remembered it. So first of all

Ian

00:57:28 – 00:57:28

Mind vice.

Aaron

00:57:29 – 00:57:31

You called it you called it Chipotle's, which is hysterical.

Ian

00:57:32 – 00:57:32

Not

Aaron

00:57:33 – 00:57:39

not not not not possessive. It's not it's not Chipotle Chipotles or Chipotays or

Ian

00:57:39 – 00:57:41

There are multiple like Chipotle.

Aaron

00:57:41 – 00:57:53

Yes, there are. However, you went to 1, and also you did an apostrophe, which is possessive, not plural. Anyway, you got a bowl of sour cream. What is your, what is your ruling?

Ian

00:57:54 – 00:58:01

Okay. So I was like, alright. I'm hungry for lunch. I'm gonna now I'll be fair. I DoorDash it, so I wasn't right there.

Ian

00:58:01 – 00:58:04

I didn't get it maximum freshness. So it's DoorDash.

Aaron

00:58:04 – 00:58:06

Also didn't get to you also didn't get to control the portions.

Ian

00:58:07 – 00:58:14

Well, I mean, they let you refute they might control the port. I mean, I guess, like, you sort of, like, saw something off. I could do, like, get rid of that.

Aaron

00:58:14 – 00:58:20

If I'm standing there and she's going for her 4th scoop of sour cream, I'm gonna say something, but you're not there.

Ian

00:58:20 – 00:58:31

And so the DoorDash is like, yeah. Load it up, baby. So I got the gimbaltes. I got the rice bowl, some chicken. I like the fajita vegetables.

Aaron

00:58:32 – 00:58:32

Ian

00:58:32 – 00:58:47

I got the black beans, cheese and, sour cream. Now I will say the photo, there wasn't probably quite as much sour cream as the photo implied. It looked like just a bowl of soda.

Aaron

00:58:47 – 00:58:49

So implied that they gave you all the sour cream.

Ian

00:58:49 – 00:58:52

Yeah. Yeah. I would say it wasn't quite that bad.

Aaron

00:58:52 – 00:58:57

Also also, this whole conversation is moot if you DoorDash it. None of this counts for anything.

Ian

00:58:57 – 00:59:04

I don't know. There was just stuff that was wrong. There's just stuff that's not DoorDash related. Like, the chicken was dry, and it's not because the DoorDash

Aaron

00:59:04 – 00:59:06

out on the way in guy's car. No.

Ian

00:59:06 – 00:59:06

No. You

Aaron

00:59:06 – 00:59:10

guys smoking weed, bringing you his chicken, and it's The chicken's always dry now. No.

Ian

00:59:11 – 00:59:24

No. No. No. And it was insanely spicy, which I thought was a little odd, which I'm fine with spice, but it was I don't recall like, maybe it felt, like, more spicy than I remember it. So, like, there's some kind of, like, quality control.

Ian

00:59:24 – 00:59:25

No.

Aaron

00:59:25 – 00:59:28

I think that's the age issue. You're you're you're mellowing in your old age. I got to

Ian

00:59:28 – 00:59:36

see about what else. I've been more into spice since I go. No. And, you know, it was fine. It was fun.

Aaron

00:59:36 – 00:59:36

Yeah. Because it was

Ian

00:59:36 – 00:59:41

But it wasn't amazing. It wasn't oh, it used to be amazing. It used to be like, woah.

Aaron

00:59:41 – 00:59:42

This is

Ian

00:59:42 – 00:59:47

fresh and awesome. Anytime you had it. And we used to No.

Aaron

00:59:47 – 00:59:48

You were not confident enough in that process.

Ian

00:59:49 – 00:59:57

To get it. And when I was in New York city, so I have a New York city rule, which is I do not eat chain food in New York city because there's so much good food in New York city.

Aaron

00:59:57 – 00:59:58

I have the option to

Ian

00:59:58 – 01:00:04

eat chains. I know, which is why we're gonna fix you. It's not part of your problem with New York. You're only eating the chains. That's the bad idea.

Aaron

01:00:04 – 01:00:06

It's great. I went to Chipotle the first time I was in New York City.

Ian

01:00:06 – 01:00:07

I went to Chipotle.

Aaron

01:00:07 – 01:00:09

It was awesome. It was great. So happy.

Ian

01:00:09 – 01:00:18

I would make the exception for Chipotle because it's the only place I could get it, and I heard it's super awesome. And it's awesome. Get it, and it was super awesome.

Aaron

01:00:18 – 01:00:18

See?

Ian

01:00:18 – 01:00:23

And it's just not super awesome. And by the way, Twitter agrees with me. Twitter was like, yeah. It's not super awesome.

Aaron

01:00:23 – 01:00:24

No. No. No. No. No.

Aaron

01:00:24 – 01:00:35

Matt responds my side. You. Everyone else was like, why'd you get so much sour cream? 22 people. 2 famously contrarian people agreed

Ian

01:00:35 – 01:00:37

with everyone else. Famously true.

Aaron

01:00:37 – 01:00:45

Everyone else is like, bro, you got too much sour cream. And the fact that you didn't even disclose it was DoorDash, just that just the whole thing is off. I think

Ian

01:00:45 – 01:00:49

I did. Did not not maybe not the original tweet, but I think I did disclose. But Let's

Aaron

01:00:49 – 01:00:51

put a follow-up tweet. Nobody reads a follow-up tweet. Listen.

Ian

01:00:52 – 01:01:01

I'm gonna go to Chipotle's. I'm gonna go to Chipotle's this week. Chipotle's. They have a stupid name. Let's just start that.

Ian

01:01:01 – 01:01:03

Right? You can't even say their name properly. I'm a

Aaron

01:01:03 – 01:01:05

little nervous now. Their name properly.

Ian

01:01:05 – 01:01:09

I I think it's actually a northeast kinda thing. I think it's one of those northeast scenarios here.

Aaron

01:01:09 – 01:01:10

Yeah. Maybe.

Ian

01:01:10 – 01:01:15

But, I don't know. It was it was fine. Like, it'll it'll it's not

Aaron

01:01:15 – 01:01:16

a worthless

Ian

01:01:16 – 01:01:16

sick probably.

Aaron

01:01:17 – 01:01:21

Worthless segment. I got no I got no valuable insight out of that segment. No.

Ian

01:01:21 – 01:01:39

Here's a valuable insight, man. Here's a good insight. What was awesome from the order was I got this, and I never do this because I almost always just drink water, but I was like, I'm taking the Chipotle. I gotta have something with it. I got the it's called, like it's just labeled, I think, organic lemonade.

Ian

01:01:39 – 01:01:43

Like, that's just what the label says. Organic lemonade. It was quite good.

Aaron

01:01:43 – 01:01:47

Not lemonade, man? No. You don't like lemonade? No. I I I like lemonade.

Aaron

01:01:47 – 01:01:50

Lemonade lemonade doesn't do anything for me.

Ian

01:01:50 – 01:01:52

Not enough aspartine in it?

Aaron

01:01:52 – 01:01:59

Not yet. It's too much sugar, so the numbers go up, and I don't get the I don't get the brain shrinkage of aspartame. And so I'm like, what's the point?

Ian

01:02:00 – 01:02:01

If if this isn't if

Aaron

01:02:01 – 01:02:06

this isn't gonna shrink my brain and make me forget stuff, why am I drinking lemonade in the first place? Give me Diet Coke.

Ian

01:02:06 – 01:02:09

Maybe I'll help somebody out there. Oh, Diet Coke. It's

Aaron

01:02:10 – 01:02:10

Coke 0,

Ian

01:02:10 – 01:02:14

Diet Coke. I had a lot of follow-up on that too. I

Aaron

01:02:15 – 01:02:24

had 2 diet Cokes this weekend when I was out of town. Ian, And they were from the gun. They were from, like, you know, the fountain based fountain. Yeah.

Ian

01:02:24 – 01:02:25

Right. Mhmm.

Aaron

01:02:26 – 01:02:33

I've I've never been so alive. Diet Coke from the fountain, the bubbles.

Ian

01:02:34 – 01:02:36

It's as much as you get. 28 ounces of it.

Aaron

01:02:36 – 01:02:40

Just right. The mix is per the the syrup to carbonation mix.

Ian

01:02:41 – 01:02:43

Dirty ice in there. It's just Yeah.

Aaron

01:02:43 – 01:02:51

They're scooping ice out of a big trough. You're it oh my gosh. The bubbles just hit. It was the best. They are usually

Ian

01:02:51 – 01:02:52

bubblier that way. Yeah.

Aaron

01:02:52 – 01:02:59

I came yeah. There's so much bubblier. I came home and told Jennifer. I was like, man, Diet Coke still hits. It's so good.

Aaron

01:02:59 – 01:03:04

It is so good. So that was my big that was my big, confession

Ian

01:03:05 – 01:03:05

for the weekend.

Aaron

01:03:05 – 01:03:12

Yeah. I went too hard. I got 2 sodas. Remembered remembered what it's like to feel happy, and it was just it

Ian

01:03:12 – 01:03:22

was awesome. So Think about how good. If you limit it to, you know, when you're on vacation, then it's gonna be such a it's just gonna add to the high of the trips, you know?

Aaron

01:03:22 – 01:03:30

Yeah. And that's what that's what, you know, that's what Jennifer and I agreed on when I came home. She's like, I think that's fine. You know, you you got it. You can't just you can't.

Aaron

01:03:30 – 01:03:35

Yeah. Yeah. You can't be a monk your entire life. You gotta have one every now and then. Like, yeah, I agree.

Aaron

01:03:35 – 01:03:36

I agree.

Ian

01:03:36 – 01:03:37

I'm good with that.

Aaron

01:03:38 – 01:03:42

Little little bit of a little bit of accountability confession here. But There

Ian

01:03:42 – 01:03:45

you go. Every time you buy a Coke, we wanna do we wanna hear about it.

Aaron

01:03:45 – 01:03:46

Better than ever.

Ian

01:03:46 – 01:03:49

Gah. So good. Also, if you're on

Aaron

01:03:49 – 01:04:02

Twitter telling me that I should just drink water, I invalidate that opinion. That's like, that's the people are like, oh, why do you care about diet Cokes? You just drink water. I'm like, okay. You don't understand what I'm saying.

Ian

01:04:02 – 01:04:04

Modern society, all that stuff.

Aaron

01:04:04 – 01:04:08

Oh, it's the worst. Like, I'm gonna drink water like it's the 1800s.

Ian

01:04:08 – 01:04:16

The technology to make labor liquids. Yeah. It's ridiculous. Are you are you I don't know about this about you. Are you an alcohol man?

Ian

01:04:16 – 01:04:19

And are you an alcohol man now? Like, have you switched?

Aaron

01:04:19 – 01:04:25

I would never I would never brand myself as an alcohol man. Okay. That's for sure.

Ian

01:04:25 – 01:04:26

That's too heavy.

Aaron

01:04:26 – 01:04:27

Do I do I like to

Ian

01:04:27 – 01:04:30

drink alcohol? Sure. Yeah. I would love to drink alcohol.

Aaron

01:04:31 – 01:04:34

However, am I an alcohol man? I'm gonna have to go with no.

Ian

01:04:35 – 01:04:39

What do you what's your what are you a beer man? Are you a hard liquor man? What's your what's your flavor?

Aaron

01:04:39 – 01:04:48

Oh, hard liquor only. I don't drink a lot of beer. Never really have. Mhmm. Just not just not a big beer guy.

Aaron

01:04:48 – 01:04:52

There are there are some beers that I really like, but I'm not like, oh, what what can I see your beer menu? I'm like You're

Ian

01:04:52 – 01:04:55

not like buying beer to bring home. No. I don't think I've

Aaron

01:04:55 – 01:04:59

ever bought a 12 pack of beer to bring home to my house and my entire life.

Ian

01:04:59 – 01:05:00

What about wine? It's cover all the

Aaron

01:05:00 – 01:05:08

I don't like wine. I have pretty, pretty low low brow tastes. People are like, this is really good wine, and I'm like, it is red. It is. Yeah.

Ian

01:05:08 – 01:05:10

It's all good after the first class. It's good. Yeah.

Aaron

01:05:10 – 01:05:11

Like wine.

Ian

01:05:11 – 01:05:12

Okay.

Aaron

01:05:12 – 01:05:32

But I will I will definitely enjoy a classic cocktail. And before before all of this health stuff happened, I would drink a lot more cocktails. But now I'm kinda like, come all these weird medicines. I should probably lay off a little bit. So I probably have now I probably have, you know, 1 to 2 drinks a week.

Aaron

01:05:32 – 01:05:39

So not not very much. I used to used to drink wine more on the week, like, weeknights have wine with dinner.

Ian

01:05:39 – 01:05:40

Yeah.

Aaron

01:05:40 – 01:05:49

But now I don't really drink at home much anymore. But if I'm seeing friends, I'll definitely have a cocktail. But am I an alcohol man? Oh, no.

Ian

01:05:49 – 01:05:53

I'm not an alcoholic man. Alcoholic. Just an alcohol man.

Aaron

01:05:53 – 01:05:54

Boy, those are close, though, aren't they?

Ian

01:05:54 – 01:05:55

Close. But they're Hey.

Aaron

01:05:55 – 01:06:00

I'm Aaron. I'm an alcohol man. Like, I don't know.

Ian

01:06:00 – 01:06:05

Oh, man. Probably about a week. Oh, man. Yeah. Before kids, we used to go out to dinner and, 2 bottles of wine.

Ian

01:06:05 – 01:06:07

Two bottles of wine was a nice dinner out.

Aaron

01:06:07 – 01:06:11

Between the 2 of you? Yeah. That's a lot of bottles of wine.

Ian

01:06:11 – 01:06:13

Wife is better drinker than I am, actually.

Aaron

01:06:13 – 01:06:14

Oh, good for her.

Ian

01:06:14 – 01:06:19

Yeah. But Would you call her an alcohol woman? Think too much. I would call her an alcohol woman for sure.

Aaron

01:06:19 – 01:06:20

Would she call herself an alcohol woman?

Ian

01:06:20 – 01:06:25

She would. I think so. Okay. Although lately, now she's kinda off it. So we went to this whole bit.

Ian

01:06:25 – 01:06:29

She has a whole big wine collection. We have bought we have a wine cellar of sorts.

Aaron

01:06:29 – 01:06:30

Woah. Not like a

Ian

01:06:30 – 01:06:32

not like a built out wine cellar or a

Aaron

01:06:32 – 01:06:33

wood panel. Cellar upstairs?

Ian

01:06:34 – 01:06:49

No, it's in the basement in like the unfinished basement, you know, just like a rack down there, but she has like some nice bottles, whatever. But now, like, the wine messes up her sleep. So now she's off the wine and we have all this wine, but then she's like, doesn't wanna

Aaron

01:06:49 – 01:06:51

drink anything. Let you drink the good stuff when you're watching messy.

Ian

01:06:51 – 01:07:05

I know. So I opened last night I was making burgers, and I was like, I want wine with these burgers. So I went and opened a bottle. So I had to just go find some cheap ass piece of crap bottle. So I was like, in case she didn't want any, I'm not wasting this whole bottle of a good bottle.

Ian

01:07:05 – 01:07:10

Like, so it's yeah. We gotta we gotta do something here because I gotta have the good wine. I like the good wine, the good

Aaron

01:07:10 – 01:07:16

wine, the better the better. Get her back to sleep, and then once her sleep is fixed, you all can imbibe the

Ian

01:07:16 – 01:07:21

new chili pad. You have as much wine as you want with the chili pad. They should put that in advertisements. That Now that's sad. Sell them.

Aaron

01:07:21 – 01:07:24

Yeah. Are you an alcohol man? Try the chili pad.

Ian

01:07:25 – 01:07:28

Double your consumption with the chili pad.

Aaron

01:07:31 – 01:07:32

Oh, that's great. Alright.

Ian

01:07:32 – 01:07:36

That's where we got it there. Yeah. That's it. That's it. You got stuff to do.

Ian

01:07:36 – 01:07:37

You got training to do.

Aaron

01:07:37 – 01:07:38

That's right.

Ian

01:07:38 – 01:08:02

Alright. Mostlytechnical.com, if you wanna just, you know, see all the stuff we've done in the past, at mostly tech pod, if you wanna hit us up on Twitter where we may or may not remember your feedback, but you can try. And then, mostly technical podcast atgmail.com, if you would like us to definitely read your feedback and, possibly talk about it on the show. So, thanks everybody, and we will see you next week. Bye.

Aaron

01:08:02 – 01:08:03

See you.

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