Laravel's Big Day

February 27, 2025

Ian and Aaron discuss Aaron's day off, 90s news anchors, Laravel's Big Day, and so much more. Sponsored by: Bento: https://bentonow.com/ Moonbase Labs: https://moonbaselabs.com/ Packetly: https://packetly.com/ Interested in sponsoring Mostly Technical? Head to https://mostlytechnical.com/sponsor to learn more. 00:00 Revenge of the Gallbladder 03:50 Aaron Francis's Day Off 06:29 A Little Political 13:50 Blast from the 90s News Past 20:22 Rank The Big Three 21:24 Aaron Francis's Day Off, Continued 27:40 Ad Talk 31:27 Laravel Cloud 47:55 The New Laravel.com 58:40 Sanderson 01:10:42 More Grinding, More Coding
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Transcript

Ian
00:00:00 – 00:00:00
Hello?
Aaron
00:00:01 – 00:00:07
Revenge of the gallbladder, Ian. I thought I thought we solved this problem. What is going on over here?
Ian
00:00:08 – 00:00:10
A little bit too big of a meal. A little
Aaron
00:00:10 – 00:00:11
bit too little bit
Ian
00:00:11 – 00:00:11
of a meal. A little bit of a little bit of a little bit of
Aaron
00:00:11 – 00:00:12
a little bit of a little bit of a little too hard.
Ian
00:00:13 – 00:00:19
Next day, it was a little not optimal, optimal, so still dialing in the gallbladder stuff a little bit. I had this medicine
Aaron
00:00:19 – 00:00:20
that helped. See that. Yeah.
Ian
00:00:21 – 00:00:22
Keep your gallbladder, people.
Aaron
00:00:22 – 00:00:31
Keep your gallbladder. That's one thing I've always said is if you have organs and you can keep them, it's just better. You know? It's just better to keep them.
Ian
00:00:32 – 00:00:36
There's also this said a lot of people think the gallbladder doesn't really do much, but it does stuff. It's important.
Aaron
00:00:36 – 00:00:49
It does stuff. It does stuff. Work it now. And, you know, regardless of your origin myth, the gallbladder is there for a reason. The gallbladder was was put there by something or someone for some reason, and you went and you just took it out.
Ian
00:00:49 – 00:00:55
Maybe. I mean, the appendix supposedly literally does nothing, but I don't know. I don't know if I buy that either.
Aaron
00:00:55 – 00:00:56
Seems fishy. Right?
Ian
00:00:57 – 00:01:01
Yeah. I still have that, though. I wanted them to take that out while they were in there, but they don't
Aaron
00:01:02 – 00:01:11
Just get, like, a, like, a discount? Like, a useless stuff out. Kinda amortize the cost of opening you up by taking out another organ.
Ian
00:01:11 – 00:01:18
Well, Well, because you can have that go at any time. Right? And then, like, oh, shit. I'm going back in to do literally the same exact surgery I just did if that happened. I don't wanna
Aaron
00:01:19 – 00:01:26
It's it's shocking to me the doctors didn't go for that. You know? They weren't like, oh, that's a good idea, bud. I like that. Let's add
Ian
00:01:26 – 00:01:28
let's add a whole another level of steak.
Aaron
00:01:28 – 00:01:31
A doctor? Because that's a very clever suggestion, sir.
Ian
00:01:31 – 00:01:35
I play one on a podcast. I got a LLM backing me. Good.
Aaron
00:01:35 – 00:01:40
Were you celebrating anything on on Sunday night, or you just were like, I want some steak?
Ian
00:01:40 – 00:01:47
Nah. I just did, like, a big chicken parm situation, but I just had, like, a big lunch too, and it's just too much. Well
Aaron
00:01:48 – 00:01:52
Well, you know, you hate to hear that. You're you're falling apart, Ian.
Ian
00:01:52 – 00:01:52
I know.
Aaron
00:01:52 – 00:01:55
You got the wrist thing. You got the gallbladder thing.
Ian
00:01:55 – 00:01:57
The wrist thing the wrist thing is kind of back a little bit. No.
Aaron
00:01:57 – 00:01:59
I don't I can't. I can't.
Ian
00:01:59 – 00:02:02
But now back a little bit. Not as bad as it was.
Aaron
00:02:02 – 00:02:06
Please don't ever say drained again. I can't do that. Let's
Ian
00:02:06 – 00:02:07
talk bad.
Aaron
00:02:07 – 00:02:08
Let's talk about something else.
Ian
00:02:08 – 00:02:09
Don't get old.
Aaron
00:02:09 – 00:02:11
So bad. I've tried
Ian
00:02:11 – 00:02:11
that too.
Aaron
00:02:11 – 00:02:20
I'm trying young. Oh, jeez. Well, on my side, I I had a better you know, we missed we missed Monday, Tuesday. It's now Wednesday. But I had a good Wednesday morning.
Aaron
00:02:20 – 00:02:25
Let me tell you. I Pretty good. Just went to breakfast with an Internet friend.
Ian
00:02:25 – 00:02:28
Woah. That's always fun when you can find an Internet friend in
Aaron
00:02:28 – 00:02:29
the big
Ian
00:02:29 – 00:02:30
world to I know.
Aaron
00:02:30 – 00:02:39
For when available. I know. So somebody reached out to somebody reached out to me on Twitter. His name is Artem. Let me get his last name, just to make sure I get it right.
Aaron
00:02:40 – 00:02:55
His name is Artem Banda. Artem Banda reached out to me on Twitter. It was like, hey. Live in the area, doing kinda the same thing, doing courses and stuff, independent man about town. And you wanna grab breakfast?
Aaron
00:02:56 – 00:03:07
And I was like, yes. Definitely. And then three months passed because, you know, I've got I've got four kids and yeah. And so I finally got back to him again and was like, alright. Let's do it.
Aaron
00:03:07 – 00:03:08
And we just had breakfast, and it was great.
Ian
00:03:09 – 00:03:11
Your regular spot or different different spot?
Aaron
00:03:11 – 00:03:13
Actually, a spot I've never been to.
Ian
00:03:13 – 00:03:14
Yeah. Interesting.
Aaron
00:03:14 – 00:03:26
Very, very this is truly a very suburb y spot. It's called First Watch, and it's like this giant cavern of table and, like, very normal breakfast foods. It's like Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
Aaron
00:03:26 – 00:03:33
Basically, an empty warehouse where they serve just slightly above average breakfast foods. Is that a chain? Oh, yeah.
Ian
00:03:33 – 00:03:38
Yeah. Okay. I think I saw something about one of these in Vegas or something like that. Probably.
Aaron
00:03:38 – 00:03:39
That checks out.
Ian
00:03:39 – 00:03:40
Yeah. I've never been there.
Aaron
00:03:40 – 00:03:45
Yeah. So it was great. Lot of fun. Very cool. Yeah.
Aaron
00:03:45 – 00:03:47
Meet meet your Internet friends, people.
Ian
00:03:47 – 00:03:50
I love meeting the Internet friends. How was Aaron Francis's day off?
Aaron
00:03:51 – 00:04:00
Oh, man. It it was great. It was great. No principals tried to track me down. I you know, it was just the best day ever.
Aaron
00:04:00 – 00:04:00
So
Ian
00:04:01 – 00:04:01
Nice.
Aaron
00:04:02 – 00:04:03
Let's see. That was,
Ian
00:04:04 – 00:04:05
Last Monday or
Aaron
00:04:05 – 00:04:09
Last Monday. Yeah. I left I left the show to go to the hotel.
Ian
00:04:10 – 00:04:11
You ran off the stage and
Aaron
00:04:11 – 00:04:15
I did. That was freaking awesome. So I went down there.
Ian
00:04:15 – 00:04:16
Yeah. Yeah.
Aaron
00:04:16 – 00:04:21
I sent you as as requested. I sent you a picture of a big old steak. Yeah. So I did it upright. Yeah.
Aaron
00:04:21 – 00:04:38
So I went down there, probably around noon. I was able to get an early check-in. Pro tip, always call on the day before and just say, hey. I know you can't guarantee anything. I I was just wondering, can you write my name down?
Aaron
00:04:38 – 00:04:43
You know? And it goes a long way. And so I got there, and they're like, your room's ready. Yeah. We we wrote your name down.
Aaron
00:04:43 – 00:04:44
We got you an early check-in.
Ian
00:04:45 – 00:05:00
You know what I love, if I could interject that early check-in for a bit, is, this is one of the great things about casinos. There's a lot of good things about casinos. One of the great things is often they will just, like, let you buy these things, and I just love that. That. Like, here's $50.
Aaron
00:05:01 – 00:05:03
Pure markets, those casinos, aren't they?
Ian
00:05:03 – 00:05:08
Yeah. Exactly. I just have an early check-in. It's $50. Or, like, I could pay $50 and have a late checkout.
Ian
00:05:08 – 00:05:14
Right? Like, that's great. Like, it's like you don't have to guess. Right? It's like, I can just acquire this, and it's just mine.
Ian
00:05:14 – 00:05:15
So good.
Aaron
00:05:15 – 00:05:22
And you're you're using funny money. You're like, yeah. Two two chips for an early check-in? What the hell? That's not real money.
Ian
00:05:22 – 00:05:24
And often, it's a write off on top of that. Like, when It's
Aaron
00:05:24 – 00:05:25
not a write off.
Ian
00:05:25 – 00:05:28
If I'm in Vegas for a reason that's business y, it is a write
Aaron
00:05:28 – 00:05:29
off. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Aaron
00:05:29 – 00:05:35
That is a write off. Yeah. I was gonna say, I'm all on the write off train, but gambling is not a write off.
Ian
00:05:35 – 00:05:36
But, yes. That's a gambling.
Aaron
00:05:36 – 00:05:39
Being in Vegas for a business trip is a write off. I will concede. Good point.
Ian
00:05:39 – 00:05:48
If I'm there for business, quote, un unquote, and then I have to sleep somewhere, right, then I can write that off, and I can also gamble. So it all makes sense.
Aaron
00:05:48 – 00:05:50
And there are no IRS agents anymore, so
Ian
00:05:50 – 00:05:56
you can do whatever the hell you want. You can do anything. You can do anything. You can do anything you want. Anybody who's following their taxes is an idiot.
Ian
00:05:56 – 00:05:57
Don't file your taxes.
Aaron
00:05:57 – 00:06:05
Don't file your taxes. Advice. This is financial advice. You know, there's no FCC anymore either, so nobody's gonna, like you know, there's nobody to
Ian
00:06:05 – 00:06:07
report us to. There's nothing. Thing. Yeah.
Aaron
00:06:07 – 00:06:08
It's great.
Ian
00:06:08 – 00:06:08
It's a
Aaron
00:06:08 – 00:06:11
brave world. Alright. That was close to politics. We got
Ian
00:06:11 – 00:06:17
that was terrible. Man. Oh, that's the farthest you've ever gone. Oh. We can put this into a politics podcast now.
Aaron
00:06:17 – 00:06:22
Hell no. We can do a bit. I love a bit, but I'm not I'm not doing anything serious.
Ian
00:06:22 – 00:06:23
Not getting your opinion?
Aaron
00:06:23 – 00:06:27
No. You're not getting my opinion. No. That was a bit. It was hysterical.
Aaron
00:06:27 – 00:06:29
The people loved it. You went
Ian
00:06:29 – 00:06:32
a little political on Twitter. I'm not I I don't follow No. No. No.
Aaron
00:06:32 – 00:06:35
What did I say? No. I didn't. Political. No.
Aaron
00:06:35 – 00:06:36
I didn't. What did I say?
Ian
00:06:36 – 00:06:42
Political. You got a tweet about, how the Algo on x is feeding you all this murder stuff.
Aaron
00:06:43 – 00:06:45
Well, Ian, you know what's funny about that?
Ian
00:06:45 – 00:06:46
Yeah. That was actually
Aaron
00:06:46 – 00:06:49
a screenshot of CNN.com/US. Okay.
Ian
00:06:49 – 00:06:51
Well, whichever whatever it was.
Aaron
00:06:51 – 00:06:52
So it wasn't it wasn't,
Ian
00:06:52 – 00:06:59
it was definitely the, I thought you said it was the trending or something. But, obviously, I'm wrong. You're saying it was CNN. So
Aaron
00:06:59 – 00:07:09
No. I had a tweet at some point that was like, you want me to get all my news from x.com, the site where anime users argue about JavaScript? That was
Ian
00:07:09 – 00:07:11
That's a different thing. Yeah. That's a
Aaron
00:07:11 – 00:07:24
great bet. The screenshot I had that said, what the hell are we doing was I was like, okay. I've muted I've muted the entire world out of my Twitter feed, and I love being here. It's wonderful. Right.
Aaron
00:07:24 – 00:07:37
Let's just go see what's happening in the world. Like, maybe, like, just to, like, see what's going on, be an informed citizen, whatever that means. And I went to CNN.com, and the homepage was like, oh, that's terrible.
Ian
00:07:37 – 00:07:37
That's good.
Aaron
00:07:37 – 00:07:41
Okay. I don't I don't need to read all that. Let me click on US. And I clicked on US.
Ian
00:07:41 – 00:07:43
Wow. That's gonna be worse. Of course.
Aaron
00:07:43 – 00:07:45
Oh, it's worse. We're the worst place ever.
Ian
00:07:45 – 00:07:45
Go on.
Aaron
00:07:45 – 00:07:45
It's terrible.
Ian
00:07:46 – 00:07:46
Don't do that.
Aaron
00:07:46 – 00:08:00
That was in Europe. They only murder in The US, apparently. So I clicked on I clicked on US, and it was like that that was the screenshot. It was, like, nine of 10 stories were about murder, and one was about the iPhone. I was like, what the hell
Ian
00:08:00 – 00:08:03
Or what's doing me off is because you're trying to hear
Aaron
00:08:03 – 00:08:03
me hear
Ian
00:08:03 – 00:08:09
mute words, and I was like, oh, man. They got past as mute words. But, honestly, it's just a different a different I sought it out.
Aaron
00:08:09 – 00:08:23
I sought it out. This is I was hosted by my own petard as is the the motto of the show. And I instantly regretted it and closed it and haven't been back. So if something happens in the world, I trust that you will tell me about it because you're you're up on it.
Ian
00:08:23 – 00:08:27
I'll let you know. If you if I'm, like, it's time to get in the bunker, then Yeah. You know.
Aaron
00:08:27 – 00:08:30
You just text me and be like, you should go, and I'll go. Go.
Ian
00:08:30 – 00:08:35
Go down into that garage you built. Yeah. The big garage and basement. Get down there. Yeah.
Ian
00:08:35 – 00:08:47
But the, oh, man. What is this? Oh, like, you it might be good for you. It's something more like the BBC.
Aaron
00:08:47 – 00:08:48
Oh, yeah. You know, they're
Ian
00:08:48 – 00:08:51
a little more on the straight in there. It's like a real news organization.
Aaron
00:08:51 – 00:08:52
Yeah.
Ian
00:08:52 – 00:09:09
And, they have rules and things. So they don't go quite as far into, like, just every random murder. And obviously they're, like, not even US entirely focused. Like, we do do have a heavy US operation. So that'll give you, like, the big picture, like, the big important things more, I think.
Ian
00:09:09 – 00:09:16
And also from the outside perspective, which is always nice. And then less of the, like, you know, every little
Aaron
00:09:16 – 00:09:17
Imaginations. In this huge
Ian
00:09:17 – 00:09:17
You know
Aaron
00:09:17 – 00:09:32
what I actually want? And this might exist, but if it doesn't, someone should make it, and you would make many tens of dollars. So Yeah. It's it's a very good idea. I want, something that is basically last week's news.
Aaron
00:09:32 – 00:09:35
That's what I want. Or or maybe even last month's news.
Ian
00:09:36 – 00:09:36
Right.
Aaron
00:09:36 – 00:09:40
But, importantly, I want it written from the point of view of today.
Ian
00:09:40 – 00:09:42
Yes. I see where you're going with this. Yes.
Aaron
00:09:42 – 00:09:52
Because if you give me last month's news from the lens of today, it filters out, like, all of the the micro movements and the stuff that doesn't matter.
Ian
00:09:52 – 00:09:52
Yeah.
Aaron
00:09:52 – 00:10:14
And I think very little would make it through. I mean, if you read a news we're doing a news segment now. If you read a newspaper from a year ago and you look at it about all the stuff that people were freaking out about and then All boring old news. Filter it through, like, things that actually happened, you're like, boy, none of that actually came to fruition or that was all overblown. True.
Aaron
00:10:14 – 00:10:15
I think. No. That's totally true.
Ian
00:10:15 – 00:10:19
Exactly. That's totally true. I think that you're actually making a totally
Aaron
00:10:19 – 00:10:20
making a way
Ian
00:10:20 – 00:10:21
if it's funny. But You read it.
Aaron
00:10:21 – 00:10:32
You pick up a newspaper from 02/26/2024, and you read about all of the all of the micro outrages or, like, the micro terrifying things.
Ian
00:10:32 – 00:10:32
Sure.
Aaron
00:10:32 – 00:10:41
And it's like, boy, that just seems that just seems pointless now, doesn't it? To say nothing of, like, five years ago.
Ian
00:10:41 – 00:10:47
I think these are two different things kind of, though, because there's, like, things that are micro. Right? Like,
Aaron
00:10:47 – 00:10:47
in
Ian
00:10:47 – 00:10:56
Duluth, some guy was shot in his car. Right? Like, this is, like, the little micro thing. I don't even live in Duluth. Why am I being laid down by murder in Duluth?
Ian
00:10:56 – 00:10:57
Like I
Aaron
00:10:57 – 00:11:05
I don't even know what Duluth is, if I'll be honest with you. Exactly. It's an m it's an m state. Michigan, Minnesota, Montana. Minnesota.
Aaron
00:11:05 – 00:11:08
Minnesota. Yeah. I hope so.
Ian
00:11:08 – 00:11:27
I'm pretty sure. But then you have, like, bigger picture things, like right? Like, people were worried about who's gonna be president, and then somebody became president, and then there might be connections there what happened a year ago. Right? So, like but for your service idea, I think that I like it in the sense of, like, a, it shouldn't include the micro stuff at all.
Ian
00:11:27 – 00:11:43
Right? This is big picture, big things, national news, that type of thing. Right? And then to me, the interesting idea where I thought you were more going is, like, by giving yourself a week or whatever amount of time, then there could be, like, actual perspective. Yes.
Ian
00:11:43 – 00:11:50
And, like That's right. Even results. Right? Like, oh, this was the news. Here's what actually happened.
Aaron
00:11:50 – 00:11:50
Yes.
Ian
00:11:51 – 00:11:56
And then maybe some analysis or whatever. Or if it hasn't actually happened yet, but it's like, whatever. Now we know more
Aaron
00:11:56 – 00:11:58
and That's the other thing.
Ian
00:11:58 – 00:11:59
And stuff like that.
Aaron
00:11:59 – 00:12:10
Is a lot of the breaking news is like, this may or may not happen. And I'm like, then don't tell me about it till it does. Like, what am I gonna do about it if it may or may not happen? I just wanna know. Here's what happened.
Aaron
00:12:11 – 00:12:25
Here's why we think it's important, and that's it. Actually, I don't even wanna know that, but that's still a good idea. That's a great idea. You could you could do you could build a business like that for a really long time and make no money whatsoever.
Ian
00:12:25 – 00:12:36
That was a lot of effort for more. Any more. Let me let me sit you down in nineties corner. In the nineties, we had things called investigative journalism. Oh, wow.
Ian
00:12:36 – 00:12:40
Basically what they did. We're, like, they didn't just cover the thing that was happening today.
Aaron
00:12:40 – 00:12:41
I know.
Ian
00:12:41 – 00:12:47
They went into the trenches and spent months often, like, talking to people and getting facts and doing something
Aaron
00:12:47 – 00:12:49
Pretending pretending to be somebody.
Ian
00:12:49 – 00:12:53
Right. And then they would be the story. Yes. Undercover.
Aaron
00:12:54 – 00:12:56
I know. That's amazing.
Ian
00:12:56 – 00:13:00
So it was basically what we're describing. We're reinventing investigative journalists.
Aaron
00:13:00 – 00:13:02
I know. I know. I have Do you
Ian
00:13:03 – 00:13:08
I have I have paid recently for a few things that are doing more of that in support of the
Aaron
00:13:08 – 00:13:08
Oh, that's cool.
Ian
00:13:09 – 00:13:11
Like, the four zero four media and You're a real you're
Aaron
00:13:11 – 00:13:13
a real patron of the arts. Yeah.
Ian
00:13:13 – 00:13:18
Yeah. This is one of the things you can do is to, like, subscribe to things that are doing real journalism. So that's what I
Aaron
00:13:19 – 00:13:23
Including last week's news.com written by Aaron Francis and an army of LLMs.
Ian
00:13:23 – 00:13:28
Subscribe to that. If you wanna put in the time, you got plenty of time. Why don't you have last week's news?
Aaron
00:13:28 – 00:13:30
Definitely don't have time to focus on the news.
Ian
00:13:30 – 00:13:31
Good word.
Aaron
00:13:31 – 00:13:46
Of all of all things I don't have time for, it's to create a news website for goodness sakes. Here is here's a blast from the nineties news past. If you came to this podcast expecting Aaron's big day off, you can get
Ian
00:13:46 – 00:13:47
back to it.
Aaron
00:13:47 – 00:13:53
Yeah. You're in for a treat because we're going down news corner. Do you remember Peter Jennings?
Ian
00:13:54 – 00:14:04
I was watching Peter Jennings during the attacks on nine eleven. That was my daughter. Love Peter Jennings, And I was grew up. Streaming stranger stream. Yes.
Ian
00:14:05 – 00:14:08
09/11/2001. I'm on the scraggly stream.
Aaron
00:14:08 – 00:14:25
And he for the first for the first time in a long in a after a long time, he smoked a cigarette because he was so like, yeah. He was a big smoker, died of lung cancer. Big smoker stopped and had this huge abstinence of smoking. And then September 11 happened, and he it broke him, and he started smoking. Realize that.
Aaron
00:14:25 – 00:14:32
Yep. I grew up on Peter Jennings. Peter Jennings was, like, a trusted voice in our household.
Ian
00:14:32 – 00:14:34
Surprised you're old enough to remember Peter Jennings.
Aaron
00:14:34 – 00:14:40
Oh, yeah. We, my parents, because of their generation, had the news on every single night.
Ian
00:14:41 – 00:14:41
Got the
Aaron
00:14:41 – 00:14:51
house news. Local news and then world news. World news tonight with Peter Jennings. It's twice. And to tie it back to a catchphrase, you can just do things.
Aaron
00:14:51 – 00:14:53
You know what I did? What? You know what I did? There's a
Ian
00:14:53 – 00:14:54
fan site.
Aaron
00:14:55 – 00:15:18
Peter Jennings fan site. There's a, CNN anchor named Jake Tapper that, I watched I watched a lot more news in, like, 2016, '20 '15, something like that. And I got, Peter Jennings vibes from Jake Tapper. I was like, like, you seem you seem right down the middle. You seem to, like, hold both sides to account.
Aaron
00:15:18 – 00:15:35
You seem very trustworthy, Jake Tapper. And so I sent an email to all of the email addresses I could think of that would possibly be Jake Tapper's email. Interesting. And sent an email that just was like, Peter Jennings, I think, was the the the subject line. Mhmm.
Aaron
00:15:35 – 00:15:46
Sent it to, like, you know, jake.tapper@turnermedia. Jake dot tapper at c n n. Sent it to all of these email addresses. Jake Tapper responded. Woah.
Aaron
00:15:46 – 00:15:52
He responded and said something like, I wonder if I have it. I certainly have it. I'd Gmail. Why would I not have
Ian
00:15:52 – 00:15:53
it? I love this real
Aaron
00:15:53 – 00:15:54
time. Tapper
Ian
00:15:54 – 00:15:55
We're doing it.
Aaron
00:15:55 – 00:15:59
Here we go. You got it. Tapper comma Jake from Jake Tapper.
Ian
00:15:59 – 00:16:02
This is 26 year old Aaron Francis.
Aaron
00:16:02 – 00:16:18
Uh-huh. This is Right now Jake. July twenty eighth of twenty sixteen. The subject line is, Peter Jennings, and I sent it to jake.tapper@turner.com and jaketapper@cnn. I got a couple I got one, mail delivery subsystem failure.
Aaron
00:16:18 – 00:16:32
So, obviously, one of them didn't work. And I just said, hey. I you know, when I was growing up, Peter Jennings was always on. I can't help but be reminded of Peter Jennings when I watch you. You're crushing or, like, you're holding both sides to account.
Aaron
00:16:32 – 00:16:42
Keep it up. You're doing a great job. And he responded and said, this made my week. Thank you so much. Four exclamation points sent from my sent from my iPhone.
Aaron
00:16:43 – 00:16:48
Wow. I got a freaking response from from Jake Tapper. That's so cool.
Ian
00:16:48 – 00:16:51
You can just do things. You've been just doing big dickheads.
Aaron
00:16:52 – 00:16:54
And I emailed, you want another one? Let's do another one.
Ian
00:16:56 – 00:16:57
Mark Go through Aaron's email on this.
Aaron
00:16:57 – 00:16:57
She wouldn't.
Ian
00:16:57 – 00:16:59
Let's put a podcast in that. We're gonna go
Aaron
00:16:59 – 00:17:08
through something. I've been reading emails out on the radio. Yeah. This is great. I emailed Mark Cuban.
Aaron
00:17:08 – 00:17:14
And Oh. Yeah. So this is he's somehow mcuban@gmail.com.
Ian
00:17:14 – 00:17:18
Are you doing are you going with the, entrepreneur angle? Are you going to basketball angle?
Aaron
00:17:18 – 00:17:34
So I used to have a solo podcast. I used to have a solo podcast where I would read articles and then basically, like, offer my commentary on them. So 05/18/2015. Just cold email. Just send it to two email addresses again because I didn't know
Ian
00:17:34 – 00:17:35
hacker this guy is.
Aaron
00:17:35 – 00:17:36
You're in
Ian
00:17:36 – 00:17:37
the wrong career.
Aaron
00:17:37 – 00:17:51
I'm a social engineer. I'm a social engineer. So I sent, hey, Mark. I was wondering if I could have your permission to read your post, the title of the post, on a podcast I'm starting on the show. This is hysterical.
Aaron
00:17:51 – 00:18:04
On the show, I read important articles and talk about why I like them. Parentheses, complicated concept. Can I have your permission? And he responded, he responded five minutes later. Five minutes
Ian
00:18:05 – 00:18:09
like that kind of guy. He's just like he's on his email all the time. He's reading the email.
Aaron
00:18:09 – 00:18:11
He said, sure. No problem.
Ian
00:18:12 – 00:18:13
That was
Aaron
00:18:13 – 00:18:14
it. And I I responded,
Ian
00:18:14 – 00:18:16
thanks, Mark. Two things.
Aaron
00:18:16 – 00:18:17
Like, we're buds.
Ian
00:18:17 – 00:18:19
I can't wait for you to publish a book of all these.
Aaron
00:18:19 – 00:18:20
Like, it's like a
Ian
00:18:20 – 00:18:32
book of your emails where you reach out to people randomly, and then they respond, you know, affirmatively. And it's just like an affirmation book of, like, all these things you just tried to do and that they just happened because you asked.
Aaron
00:18:32 – 00:18:33
Crazy. Yeah.
Ian
00:18:33 – 00:18:52
Just had this conversation last night with my 14 year old. He's in this basketball camp thing, and the the the coach said that or, you know, the other trainer was like, I might have a spot on team for you in the summer. Like last week he said that. So we're like, all right, this week you didn't get his info. You didn't get any details.
Ian
00:18:52 – 00:18:54
You gotta get his info and his details. Right?
Aaron
00:18:54 – 00:18:55
Yep.
Ian
00:18:55 – 00:19:03
So he comes out after I pick him up. Of course he, he hasn't gotten the info. So I'm like, you should go back in. Right? So he he got he mans up.
Ian
00:19:03 – 00:19:10
He goes back in. Gets the details. Right? And on the way home, this is the I I literally had this exact conversation. I was like, listen.
Ian
00:19:10 – 00:19:17
Like, being brave and putting yourself out there is how people are successful. There's always smarter people.
Aaron
00:19:17 – 00:19:17
Yes.
Ian
00:19:17 – 00:19:30
There's always people better than you at every single job. You're never gonna be the best at anything. I'm not I haven't been the best at anything ever. But sometimes in key moments, you just have to be brave Yep. And take the bull by the horns.
Ian
00:19:30 – 00:19:43
And those are the people who get the the rewards because you took the chance when other peep the thing that actually gonna separate you is taking a chance when everybody else who's better than you is too scared to take the chance. Like, that is how you
Aaron
00:19:43 – 00:19:46
agency, not intelligence that matters. So You have just
Ian
00:19:47 – 00:19:47
whole conversation.
Aaron
00:19:47 – 00:19:52
I've told you I'm writing a book. That is the premise. That's the premise. Oh, shit. Whole premise right there.
Aaron
00:19:52 – 00:19:52
That is it.
Ian
00:19:52 – 00:19:54
Of course. It makes perfect sense to me now.
Aaron
00:19:54 – 00:19:57
The synopsis. That's the book. Yeah. That's right. That's good dad advice.
Aaron
00:19:57 – 00:19:59
That's dad dad, not business dad. That's
Ian
00:19:59 – 00:20:00
Dad dad. Yeah.
Aaron
00:20:00 – 00:20:01
That's good stuff.
Ian
00:20:01 – 00:20:03
Dad trenches there. That's 14 year old.
Aaron
00:20:03 – 00:20:08
You are correct, And he would be well served to learn that as early as possible.
Ian
00:20:08 – 00:20:17
Yeah. That feels like it felt like a good age to start to be like, alright. This is the real world. Right? Like, let's let's have a real world conversation where it's not all fun and games, And Yes.
Aaron
00:20:17 – 00:20:17
This is
Ian
00:20:17 – 00:20:20
how people actually get ahead. Right? So That is
Aaron
00:20:20 – 00:20:21
exactly right.
Ian
00:20:21 – 00:20:26
Okay. Quick. We gotta do a quick little rating. A quick before we even get back to Aaron's day off
Aaron
00:20:26 – 00:20:26
Oh, wow.
Ian
00:20:27 – 00:20:30
I need you an order. I need the order. Yeah. Peter Jennings.
Aaron
00:20:30 – 00:20:31
Yeah.
Ian
00:20:31 – 00:20:35
Tom Brokaw, Dan Rather. Right? Those were the big three in that generation.
Aaron
00:20:35 – 00:20:41
Peter first. Order. Peter first, for sure. Yeah. And then I think Dan Rather.
Ian
00:20:42 – 00:20:43
Me too.
Aaron
00:20:43 – 00:20:46
Yeah. Yes. It's crazy. The only thing we've ever agreed on.
Ian
00:20:47 – 00:20:49
I would go Dan Rather than all
Aaron
00:20:49 – 00:20:54
the heads, nineties news anchors is finally something we agreed on.
Ian
00:20:54 – 00:20:55
There we go.
Aaron
00:20:55 – 00:20:56
Yeah. Right. I don't
Ian
00:20:56 – 00:20:56
know why.
Aaron
00:20:56 – 00:21:00
It's just, like, vibes. Like, it just it just was the right answer. I felt it. I knew it.
Ian
00:21:00 – 00:21:04
I'm not a CBS guy. I'm definitely way more of an NBC guy than a CBS guy. But See, I
Aaron
00:21:04 – 00:21:11
don't even know. I remember Peter Jennings was ABC because Yeah. That was in our house. I don't know the affiliations of those the other two. I don't remember them.
Ian
00:21:11 – 00:21:15
Dan Rather, CBS. CBS. Tom Brokaw's NBC.
Aaron
00:21:15 – 00:21:19
NBC. Okay. Man, what a time. That was just
Ian
00:21:20 – 00:21:21
That's a nice walk down memory lane there.
Aaron
00:21:21 – 00:21:23
Yeah. It's good stuff.
Ian
00:21:23 – 00:21:25
Alright. So Aaron Francis' day off.
Aaron
00:21:25 – 00:21:30
You're cruising for our at this point. I'm barely checked in. You haven't done. We have gotten through.
Ian
00:21:30 – 00:21:32
You're early checking.
Aaron
00:21:32 – 00:21:47
Part of this vacation have we gotten through. So I check-in. The concierge comes around and hands me a a little coupon and says you can get two cocktails or two coffees on us. Wow. And I'm like, this is great.
Aaron
00:21:47 – 00:21:57
I wonder why this is. I have no idea. It's a nice hotel, so maybe they just, like, do that for everyone. But I don't know. It was great.
Aaron
00:21:57 – 00:22:01
Felt like a king. It's like, yeah. I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna go drink these two cocktails
Ian
00:22:01 – 00:22:01
for free.
Aaron
00:22:02 – 00:22:04
Found out. You just Never even found out.
Ian
00:22:04 – 00:22:05
Okay. They were just being cordial.
Aaron
00:22:05 – 00:22:18
They're just just being cordial. There's a small there's a small chance they've got some sort of, like, CRM thing, and they looked me up and were like, oh, he's got a bunch of Twitter followers. I guess that's Sorry. I'm not a travel influencer. Good luck.
Aaron
00:22:18 – 00:22:34
But thanks for the free drinks. So that's possible, but it's probably just fancy hotel in Dallas on a Monday morning, and they were like, we got nothing going on here. Go ahead. So checked in. Turns out all the restaurants nearby are closed because it was a Monday, which I don't know.
Aaron
00:22:34 – 00:22:38
What's the deal with restaurants? Like, do people not eat on Mondays? So frustrating. I don't get it.
Ian
00:22:38 – 00:22:42
Weird. I know. I think you go every weekend, but, like I don't care. You wanna eat at a restaurant.
Aaron
00:22:42 – 00:22:51
Yeah. Get back to work. So I walked down the street, just, you know, walkable city. I walked down the street, got a burger. It's great.
Aaron
00:22:51 – 00:22:55
Love a burger. Sat there. Then I went back to the hotel burger?
Ian
00:22:55 – 00:22:55
Or
Aaron
00:22:55 – 00:23:02
No. Sit sit in, like, little little downtown restaurant burger. Yeah. It was great. Loved it.
Aaron
00:23:02 – 00:23:12
And then what did I do? I sat in the lobby. So it's super fancy lobby. Sat in the lobby with a little, little coffee, and I read a comic book. I read Calvin and Hobbes.
Aaron
00:23:13 – 00:23:16
Calvin and Hobbes. Nineties. Just real nineties show today.
Ian
00:23:16 – 00:23:17
Nineties. Yeah.
Aaron
00:23:18 – 00:23:28
Yeah. So I sat down there and just, like, reminisced about what it was like to be a kid and then thought, oh, you gotta get out of this, man. You're getting this is sad. You you gotta do something else.
Ian
00:23:28 – 00:23:33
What about the Calvin and Hobbes too? It's so cute. It's so cute. Sure. Yeah.
Ian
00:23:33 – 00:23:34
He's a kid and the whole thing.
Aaron
00:23:34 – 00:23:37
Just the wonder of being a six year old boy.
Ian
00:23:37 – 00:23:38
I know. Oh, god. I don't know.
Aaron
00:23:38 – 00:23:46
You can't go back. It's a one way trip. So Yep. Then I went I went to the bar, and Yeah. Yeah.
Aaron
00:23:46 – 00:23:52
Natural. Yeah. Yeah. Should've shoulda had a little more of a segue there. Everything was fine.
Aaron
00:23:52 – 00:24:12
So I went to the bar, and got out my yellow notepad, you know Mhmm. My yellow notepad and my zebra pen, and had a couple of drinks and put in my headphones and just wrote just my plans to, like, conquer the world and, like, wrote it all down. And it was very cathartic. Yeah. Super, super helpful.
Aaron
00:24:12 – 00:24:20
Wrote it all out. Everything I wanna do. Everything and I feel like I've been doing well. Everything I've been doing poorly. How to correct that.
Aaron
00:24:20 – 00:24:45
Very, very helpful. Mhmm. And then, you know, kinda just putted around, had an early dinner, and then I hooked up my I, you know, scrolled behind the TV, found the HDMI, unplugged it, plugged it into my computer, put my headphone like, had my AirPods paired to my computer, TV on, took a drink up from dinner, took it up to the room. Guy. It was great.
Aaron
00:24:45 – 00:24:58
And, I had a drink and watched Sicario two in bed, and it was great. I could hear everything because it was, like, in my AirPods. I didn't have to, like, turn it up super loud and then turn it down when it got loud. It was great. It was perfect.
Aaron
00:24:58 – 00:24:59
So much fun.
Ian
00:24:59 – 00:25:07
I love AirPods with TV. This is a big rack I have. Like, at night, even wife's sleeping, whatever, throwing the AirPods. Like, everything's crystal clear. Yeah.
Aaron
00:25:07 – 00:25:07
I know.
Ian
00:25:08 – 00:25:14
It's like I can't hear. There's coughing lost quietly, whatever. Like, nope. Boom. AirPods.
Ian
00:25:14 – 00:25:19
Fantastic. Fantastic. Okay. So that sounds like it went well.
Aaron
00:25:19 – 00:25:34
It went well. Next morning, I woke up late, which was awesome. Went down and had another coffee at the fancy spot and just kinda sat there and watched the world go by. It was crazy. It's such a weird feeling to just be like, I don't have anywhere to do anything.
Aaron
00:25:34 – 00:25:49
Yeah. So weird. Yeah. And then left at about I left at checkout, so I left at eleven, which was fine. Jennifer was like, oh, I thought you would, like, try to, you know, stay around all day.
Aaron
00:25:49 – 00:26:06
I was like, well, I left and then came to the studio. If I was leaving and, like, going back to some of the chaos at home, I would have been like, what if I go grab a long lunch? Maybe. Right. But I left, came back to the studio, hung out here, and then I was on a podcast with, Wes Bos.
Aaron
00:26:06 – 00:26:07
I was on the Syntax podcast
Ian
00:26:07 – 00:26:08
You are. Which has
Aaron
00:26:08 – 00:26:09
has not come out yet.
Ian
00:26:09 – 00:26:11
I was like, I missed that, but I didn't
Aaron
00:26:11 – 00:26:23
But yeah. So that was, you know, podcast with Ian, big vacation, podcast with Wes, bookends. It was perfect. It was a great it was a staycation is is ideal. It's just wonderful.
Ian
00:26:24 – 00:26:26
Yeah. It's nice. So because, also, you could do it short. Right? It's like,
Aaron
00:26:26 – 00:26:27
when you
Ian
00:26:27 – 00:26:40
go somewhere, you're, like, going for one day or two days kinda sucks. You know? It's like all this travel and bowls, crap to, like, get out there and all the planning and everything. Yep. It was, like, drive downtown, stay for a night, maximize your time.
Ian
00:26:40 – 00:26:46
It's not nothing's lost to travel. Yeah. It's it's perfect. So alright. So it's the full reset.
Aaron
00:26:47 – 00:26:47
Full reset.
Ian
00:26:47 – 00:26:48
Conquer the world now.
Aaron
00:26:48 – 00:26:50
Ready to conquer the world.
Ian
00:26:50 – 00:27:04
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Ian
00:27:04 – 00:27:05
I don't do this one. This is is your one.
Aaron
00:27:05 – 00:27:11
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Ian
00:27:11 – 00:27:13
It's all stated anyway, but what do
Aaron
00:27:13 – 00:27:14
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Ian
00:27:15 – 00:27:36
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Aaron
00:27:36 – 00:27:39
Flawless Com. Notes. No notes. Great job.
Ian
00:27:40 – 00:27:43
I still don't know about reading all these separately. I I know. Think they'd be better together.
Aaron
00:27:43 – 00:27:53
Let's do it. Let's talk about it. What are we what are we thinking? So we've had we've had the few weeks separate. We got friend of the show, Matt Swanson, sending some feedback, which was good.
Aaron
00:27:53 – 00:27:59
Always helpful. Matt Matt is the number one, podcast reply guy who always has good Good.
Ian
00:27:59 – 00:27:59
Oh, he's
Aaron
00:27:59 – 00:28:01
also been a cohost. I forgot about that.
Ian
00:28:01 – 00:28:01
He's been.
Aaron
00:28:01 – 00:28:10
He's been on the show. Yeah. Always has good advice. And so what are you what are you feeling about the the interspersed ads? Let's talk about this.
Ian
00:28:10 – 00:28:30
Feel like it's very I don't know. The audience, I think, is probably gonna be split a little both ways. Yeah. But I think as the podcaster, I find it a little bit disruptive to have to remember always to, like, interject, and then we have to do the interjection, and then we have to get back. You know, our our style is we kind of flow from topic to topic.
Aaron
00:28:30 – 00:28:31
We do.
Ian
00:28:31 – 00:28:46
Right? And so I feel like it creates a little bit of a break in that flow where we can't naturally transition. Because, like, basically, every transition in the show, we have to do an ad to get them all in. And right now, we only have three. Like, if we have a month with six, we'd it would be We have
Aaron
00:28:46 – 00:28:51
a month with six. That's gonna be two that's gonna be we would have to do We would definitely group
Ian
00:28:51 – 00:28:58
them or something. Yeah. For sure. But even at three, I feel like it's like, well, now we're just doing this one read and, like, I don't know. I don't know.
Ian
00:28:58 – 00:28:58
What do you think?
Aaron
00:28:58 – 00:29:11
Here's, I I buy that. Here's what I think we should try to do next week. So so far, you know, so far, the ads have kind of been a storyline of the show. Right? Like Yeah.
Aaron
00:29:12 – 00:29:16
Are we gonna do them? Yes. Ian has this great idea. How do we do it? Now we're doing it.
Aaron
00:29:16 – 00:29:24
Let's talk about how we're doing it. So, we've been hanging a lantern on it, which is a theater term. Right. I'm led to believe.
Ian
00:29:24 – 00:29:25
I like that. Yeah. I think you're I think you're right.
Aaron
00:29:25 – 00:29:32
We've been hanging a lantern on it. I wonder how it would feel if we just executed on them and moved on. Right?
Ian
00:29:32 – 00:29:32
Yeah.
Aaron
00:29:32 – 00:29:41
So I wonder how it would feel if it was just, like, do the ad, then don't talk about the ad and just move on. Like, keep it a little tighter.
Ian
00:29:41 – 00:29:41
You know
Aaron
00:29:41 – 00:29:42
what I mean?
Ian
00:29:42 – 00:29:55
Think then do you think we would need to, like, in our Trello board with our topics, which we don't always go in order there either, but do we, like, I almost feel like the ad should be there. Right? So it's like, okay. We're ending this topic. This is the one we're doing.
Ian
00:29:55 – 00:29:59
Like and we're just gonna do it do it. It has our name next to it. Whoever's gonna do the read.
Aaron
00:29:59 – 00:30:09
That that's prob that's probably a good idea. So in that in that case, you would have said, like, hey. Thanks for Bento blah blah blah. Alright. So, Aaron, what's the what's the deal with and we just kinda, like Just Do the transition.
Aaron
00:30:09 – 00:30:10
Run over
Ian
00:30:10 – 00:30:13
it, basically. Yeah. We could try that.
Aaron
00:30:13 – 00:30:15
Let's try that. So next week, here's what we'll try. We will
Ian
00:30:16 – 00:30:18
We have two more ads this week.
Aaron
00:30:19 – 00:30:25
She gotta give me some warning. I'm all I'm all mentally prepared to be folksy about the ads, not being professional.
Ian
00:30:25 – 00:30:26
I like it.
Aaron
00:30:26 – 00:30:26
I like it.
Ian
00:30:26 – 00:30:27
We'll start acting.
Aaron
00:30:27 – 00:30:30
Try it. Let's start it. Let's try it. Let's try it. So we'll do it this week.
Aaron
00:30:30 – 00:30:42
This will also be good, next week because we'll have, you know, three ads, hopefully, at least three per month, and it'll be good to put them in different order. And putting them in Trello will help us do that.
Ian
00:30:42 – 00:30:47
Yeah. This will be more set with that. Yeah. Next month, we do have three again.
Aaron
00:30:48 – 00:30:50
Alright. That's great.
Ian
00:30:50 – 00:30:56
But beyond that, we we yeah. Beyond that, there's there's availability. So get out there and advertise on the show, you people.
Aaron
00:30:56 – 00:30:57
Yeah. Buy some ads.
Ian
00:30:57 – 00:30:59
Look at all this airtime you're getting.
Aaron
00:30:59 – 00:31:05
Yeah. It's not gonna be this way again, but look at what all look at all what you're getting. Thousand
Ian
00:31:05 – 00:31:07
bucks. 4 shows, generally.
Aaron
00:31:08 – 00:31:11
Okay. Yeah. I like that. Alright. So the next one is gonna be me.
Aaron
00:31:11 – 00:31:17
I will do it justice, but then that is all we will do, and we'll keep moving. So we'll let's try that. How's that feel?
Ian
00:31:17 – 00:31:19
Alright. Attempt to do that.
Aaron
00:31:19 – 00:31:20
Okay. Whew. Alright.
Ian
00:31:20 – 00:31:21
That's good. What about,
Aaron
00:31:21 – 00:31:23
that's how the sausage is made, folks.
Ian
00:31:24 – 00:31:27
I like the behind the scenes. Learn about cloud?
Aaron
00:31:28 – 00:31:35
Hit me. Give me give me your give me your, so we had a big Tuesday. Right? We had or I guess it was a maybe it was a big Monday.
Ian
00:31:35 – 00:31:36
I think it was Monday.
Aaron
00:31:36 – 00:31:47
Laravel Laravel Cloud, Laravel 12, Laravel starter kits, Versus code extension goes one point o. Hit me hit me with some some takes. What did you think about any of it?
Ian
00:31:47 – 00:32:03
Here's a take for you. The Versus code so I I was able to now go back to cursor because the Versus code, update that allows you to click through to the blade file definitions. So It's, like, super massive. Because, like, without that, I was like, I can't even use it. I'm always going back and forth between the blade files.
Ian
00:32:03 – 00:32:13
Yep. Especially because I've been mostly more of these days working on, like, just websites and stuff and less Mhmm. Even app. And so, like, it just was too crazy. And, like, I just need to be able to click right there.
Ian
00:32:13 – 00:32:19
I don't wanna search for the file. I just wanna click. And so now you can click and it's like, boom. Great. So that's been awesome.
Ian
00:32:19 – 00:32:43
I still think it's still not all the way. Like, it doesn't like doesn't, like, auto like, if you need to import something from namespace, it doesn't, like, know how to fix that for you and things like that. So I still think there's, like, some stuff that is not as good as PHPStorm, but I'm sure they'll get there and they're getting there with that. So, so anyway, that's my little shout out to those guys. I think that's that's awesome.
Aaron
00:32:44 – 00:32:49
Shout out Jotie. I feel like that's been his project for a long time, the poor guy.
Ian
00:32:49 – 00:33:09
Yeah. He's been on over a while. But, yeah, Laravel. I mean, the the I use cloud for the first time to deploy the kinda new HubSpot website, which is not live yet, but the, kind of first draft of it so that designer could design it and do designery things. So I was like, I started on Forge, and I actually had some kind of problem.
Ian
00:33:09 – 00:33:15
And I was like, oh, you know what? Like, why don't I just put this in my laptop? So I put in Laravel Cloud, and that was super smooth.
Aaron
00:33:15 – 00:33:16
It is. Right?
Ian
00:33:16 – 00:33:17
Yeah. Really good.
Aaron
00:33:18 – 00:33:20
They did a very good job.
Ian
00:33:20 – 00:33:34
Yeah. Like, obviously, this is just, like, whatever. A basic website that one person is accessing right now, so I haven't got to use it in more violence than that. But the the whole deployment connection stuff seems really good and, like, the Yep. Interface is great.
Ian
00:33:34 – 00:33:47
And it definitely seems like I mean, it's just gonna be the default mechanism. I think you're gonna launch anything with Laravel. It's definitely the main path. Right? Like, I think there'll still be reason to use Ford for certain things and and so on.
Ian
00:33:47 – 00:34:06
But, for you're just, like, got a side project, you got a new project, you got, you know, a a moderate size SaaS. Like, I'd be like, yeah. Like, this is just what you're gonna wanna do because it's just so integrated and easy and has all the stuff you need
Aaron
00:34:06 – 00:34:06
to Yep.
Ian
00:34:06 – 00:34:10
Do it. They even got MySQL out. If you're a MySQL person, that's available.
Aaron
00:34:10 – 00:34:25
Shout out Fideloper. I don't know if he's Developer is I don't know if he slept since they're on EU when Taylor was I guess he did Taylor didn't mention MySQL at that point. But at some point, Taylor tweeted like, oh, yeah. We'll probably have MySQL early access, you know, when we launch. And I thought, oh, brother.
Aaron
00:34:26 – 00:34:27
Good luck, Chris.
Ian
00:34:28 – 00:34:39
Which I don't even know. I guess the way I wonder I haven't, I haven't looked into this at all, but I don't know if you I get I can't imagine your I assume you could still use RDS server that you acquire on your own.
Aaron
00:34:40 – 00:34:40
Yes.
Ian
00:34:40 – 00:34:42
I wonder how that works. I assume you can.
Aaron
00:34:42 – 00:35:06
You you certainly can. From my understanding as an outsider, you lose, you lose just the e n v injection, which is fine because you can just go write it yourself. Nobody cares. And you have to be careful that you pick the same, the same region that your computes that cloud has put your compute in. And you pick where where cloud puts your compute, so that's totally fine.
Aaron
00:35:06 – 00:35:17
And then the other, I would have to imagine the other drawback is, you can't put cloud's resources inside a VPC with your resources.
Ian
00:35:17 – 00:35:18
Gonna have to be outside.
Aaron
00:35:18 – 00:35:33
So it's gotta go over the Internet, which is Yeah. I don't I don't care about getting inside. Super don't care about that. But, you know, a lot of corporations and a lot of, like, security people super do care about that. So I have to imagine and I'm just making stuff up.
Aaron
00:35:34 – 00:35:44
I have to imagine, at some point, they will at least look into, like, VPC peering, a bunch of stuff that, I'll be honest, I have no idea what it is or how
Ian
00:35:44 – 00:35:45
it works. Words. We're
Aaron
00:35:45 – 00:35:49
just making up words. I saw someone once say
Ian
00:35:49 – 00:35:50
VP hearing, and
Aaron
00:35:50 – 00:35:51
I was like, I should write that down.
Ian
00:35:51 – 00:35:52
Sure that's what we need.
Aaron
00:35:52 – 00:36:07
Podcast one day. But I have to imagine they'll look into stuff like that from people that want to, like Yeah. Have more complicated, resources inside their AWS account and communicate with, like, their web servers and stuff. But
Ian
00:36:07 – 00:36:08
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Aaron
00:36:08 – 00:36:08
I don't know.
Ian
00:36:08 – 00:36:20
Because that gives you things, obviously, that I mean, I think they're using, like, the serverless Aurora, I assume. I don't even know. I didn't look that closely, but I don't I assume it's not there being big database servers. I assume they're
Aaron
00:36:20 – 00:36:22
Think that's right. I don't think it
Ian
00:36:22 – 00:36:23
I think it's not the serverless. It's a
Aaron
00:36:24 – 00:36:26
I don't think it is. For for MySQL?
Ian
00:36:26 – 00:36:27
Yeah.
Aaron
00:36:27 – 00:36:42
Yeah. I don't think it's serverless Aurora. I could be wrong. Interesting. I I've been wrong once before, but I think it's I think it's either I it might just be, my SQL on Kubernetes.
Aaron
00:36:42 – 00:36:44
It might not even be RDS.
Ian
00:36:44 – 00:36:47
They're spinning up their own little. Yeah. Yeah. I
Aaron
00:36:47 – 00:36:55
don't know. We should have we should have Fadelloper weigh in, because I can't speak to that for sure. But I'm pretty sure.
Ian
00:36:55 – 00:37:04
And that seems like it's gonna be a lot of work for them. That doesn't seem like something they want to take on. Yeah. Because, like, when they're buying your origin updates, are you stranded? Are they automating the updating of all that?
Aaron
00:37:04 – 00:37:19
I told I told Tom in Laracon EU. I said, y'all are gonna become a database company that also hosts Laravel. Right. Then he was like, yeah, maybe. Because there is no other there's one MySQL host and, you know We don't we don't recommend them.
Aaron
00:37:19 – 00:37:26
No. We don't recommend them. Nobody else is doing it. Like, you can't you can't go anywhere else and be like, hey.
Ian
00:37:26 – 00:37:29
That's why AWS does it. You know what I mean?
Aaron
00:37:29 – 00:37:36
Yeah. But nobody else is doing we've got 50 Postgres providers Yeah. That are like, hey. We're gonna be business. Yeah.
Aaron
00:37:36 – 00:37:46
Maybe. You know? Well well, like Well, in the end, there's gonna be one of them too. AWS or, like, on top of whatever. And there's only one that has said for my sequel, hey.
Aaron
00:37:46 – 00:37:57
We will innovate on top of, commodity hosting. And why isn't anybody else doing it? Laravel is gonna be the new the new mice. Well, maybe they are.
Ian
00:37:57 – 00:38:04
Maybe that's what they're doing. Okay. I didn't I wouldn't I wouldn't have thought that would be their angle, but, maybe that is gonna be the case. Interesting.
Aaron
00:38:04 – 00:38:16
I mean, I don't I have no idea if that is their strategy. Right. I think that is, like, they might accidentally become the second largest MySQL database host in in the space. Right.
Ian
00:38:16 – 00:38:34
Well, I do think there is a thing where, like, you know, it seems pretty clear, like, their goal, right, is to have big enterprise y type customers. And Sure. The enterprise y type customers are gonna need things that Mhmm. The kind of baseline, simple, small customers don't need. And Yep.
Ian
00:38:35 – 00:38:47
Sophisticated databasing is is going to be one of those things, certainly. Yep. So, yeah. So you could see that. And that's obviously a huge I mean, the other nice thing about databases is you could charge a ridiculous amount of money for them.
Ian
00:38:48 – 00:38:50
So margins there are nice.
Aaron
00:38:50 – 00:39:10
Especially if and we don't know this to be true, but especially if they're not using RDS under the hood. Like, if they're just using e c two and Kubernetes and something else, then their, Laravel's operating costs go way down because e c two is just cheaper than RDS. Right. Because you then have to, like, basically build RDS on top of it. Right.
Ian
00:39:10 – 00:39:17
Yeah. At a certain scale, it's cheaper. Like, the right. If you you're gonna need a team of people and database people and all this infrastructure. Right?
Ian
00:39:17 – 00:39:30
All kinds of stuff. But then once you have that, then, yes. Like, obviously, you're paying RDS for all that service, then you're giving them most of your profits. You do it yourself. Presumably, there will be more profit at some point.
Aaron
00:39:30 – 00:39:34
You know, wanna know a business I don't wanna be in? Mhmm. Database hosting.
Ian
00:39:34 – 00:39:35
That's not a good business.
Aaron
00:39:35 – 00:39:41
Can you imagine? It's just, like, here, I'm gonna hand you the most important part of my company.
Ian
00:39:42 – 00:39:42
Yeah.
Aaron
00:39:42 – 00:39:45
Don't mess it up. No. Yep. No way.
Ian
00:39:45 – 00:39:58
Every server is tied to it. It's often just set up as, like, a single point of failure because it's too expensive not to or whatever, or you're paying for the hot failover. But even then, it's all then to have that, it's super complicated because it also be real time, blah blah blah blah.
Aaron
00:39:58 – 00:40:00
That. No way. Yeah.
Ian
00:40:01 – 00:40:19
See, that's where it's gonna be hard. It's so hard to out RDS RDS because they just can do magic that I don't think anybody else can really do. It's like, yeah, we're gonna have this hot backup because at the network level, we're gonna ship these packets to different places. And, like, I don't know. Like, MySQL itself doesn't do that.
Ian
00:40:19 – 00:40:22
Obviously, MySQL has its own convoluted
Aaron
00:40:22 – 00:40:22
Right.
Ian
00:40:23 – 00:40:35
You know, sharing master master setup type stuff, but that has its own weird hiccups and things. Like, I don't know. I guess they're like, you could have a proxy server in the middle and do something. I don't know. It just seems like, though, they're at the hardware doing it.
Ian
00:40:35 – 00:40:37
You know what I mean? Like, they're there in the switches being, like, now
Aaron
00:40:37 – 00:40:38
they're just moving
Ian
00:40:38 – 00:40:39
around it. Like
Aaron
00:40:39 – 00:40:47
I will say the worst part about the worst part about getting laid off from a database company
Ian
00:40:47 – 00:40:47
Yeah.
Aaron
00:40:47 – 00:40:58
And then still being in the database space is unfortunately, that database company, their product is incredible. Oh, there you go. That's the worst part. I hate that for me. Hate that.
Ian
00:40:58 – 00:40:59
That is true. I wish
Aaron
00:40:59 – 00:41:09
it was terrible. I wish the product sucked. Unfortunately, the product is amazing. Yeah. And so, like, I actually kinda think they're out RDS ing RDS.
Aaron
00:41:10 – 00:41:35
I really do. And, I think it is doable because I think RDS, oh, I think RDS is the primitive that other people should be building on top of and not the primitive that, like, normies should be using. Now I think database companies are actually better served to sidestep RDS and build it themselves on e c two.
Ian
00:41:35 – 00:41:36
Right.
Aaron
00:41:36 – 00:41:47
But in typical AWS fashion, they don't go all the way to UI, UX, like, ease of use. They give you all of the knobs and switches, and they're like, you're you're an expert.
Ian
00:41:47 – 00:41:48
Right.
Aaron
00:41:48 – 00:41:49
Build something on top of this.
Ian
00:41:49 – 00:41:51
There's no support. There's no anything. You're on your own.
Aaron
00:41:52 – 00:42:09
Yeah. So in a way, I think it's very easy to out RDS RDS depending on what axis you're measuring. If you're measuring on, like, yeah, the ability to get lower level, that's hard to beat RDS because they own the stuff. But if you're measuring on the ability to, like, have a better product,
Ian
00:42:10 – 00:42:10
you know,
Aaron
00:42:10 – 00:42:14
it's kinda easy because it's you're competing against, you know, AWS's Yeah. Console.
Ian
00:42:15 – 00:42:28
That part definitely is. Right? Like, that part, I'm sure, like, the other company that shall not be named, has obviously a much better user experience in terms of the, you know, I go in and click around or
Aaron
00:42:28 – 00:42:29
just manage the server
Ian
00:42:29 – 00:42:35
and all that stuff. Yeah. I don't know. There's still that's in there. It's inside AWS.
Ian
00:42:35 – 00:42:37
You know what I mean? Like, it's in there.
Aaron
00:42:37 – 00:42:45
I know. Nobody ever got fired for buying AWS as the other thing. Like, you have to convince a suit somewhere. Like, no. Trust me.
Aaron
00:42:46 – 00:42:47
We're also good, and that's hard.
Ian
00:42:48 – 00:43:02
Yeah. BC backed is profitable. Is it gonna be in business in three what's worse than being forced to move your database in three years on potentially extremely short notice? Like, that's not that's that's not getting fired type stuff right there. Right?
Ian
00:43:02 – 00:43:04
So, like, big, big ass.
Aaron
00:43:04 – 00:43:10
That's the fool me once situation. Right. That is I'm never I'm never trusting another database provider again.
Ian
00:43:10 – 00:43:11
Right.
Aaron
00:43:11 – 00:43:20
Like, that's how, frankly, that's how I feel about our payment processing. I'm like, nope. I'm just gonna use Stripe. Forget, like Yeah. Forget all these other intermediaries.
Aaron
00:43:21 – 00:43:28
I'm just gonna use Stripe Yeah. Because fool me once. And so Exactly. Yeah. That's a tough that's a tough road to hoe for sure.
Aaron
00:43:28 – 00:43:47
But, yeah. So whether or not Laravel eventually offers outside database hosting, very open question, but they've taken on the burden of hosting inside database hosting, which is no no small feat. So Yeah. But as, as John Hammond mad money would or mad men would say, that's what the money is for. Right?
Aaron
00:43:47 – 00:44:07
Like, that is why Laravel took up the money so that they could take these responsibilities on and feel confident about fulfilling them. Yeah. Because you can't you can't be a database you can't be a database hosting company with one guy in Arkansas and, like, three scattered across the rest of the world. You gotta have 50 people. You gotta have 60 people
Ian
00:44:07 – 00:44:08
to, like Yeah.
Aaron
00:44:08 – 00:44:10
Do that kind of thing. So Yeah.
Ian
00:44:11 – 00:44:18
So what's your take on cloud? So I thought it was great. Used it a little bit. So far so good. Kind of everything I would
Aaron
00:44:18 – 00:44:28
expect. You know? I'll I'll opine on other things, but cloud is great. I'd Yeah. I have been using it for a little while just to, like, help, you know, suss out
Ian
00:44:28 – 00:44:28
the things.
Aaron
00:44:29 – 00:44:32
I know. You out. Harvard. Yeah. It's a great treat.
Ian
00:44:32 – 00:44:33
Yeah. You got a treat.
Aaron
00:44:33 – 00:44:36
Been used by people like Harvard and Aaron d Francis, and
Ian
00:44:36 – 00:44:39
I'm like, this thought that would happen. Yeah. We're the same.
Aaron
00:44:40 – 00:44:52
Same same kind of level of, sophistication. Cloud's great. I think let's talk about Laravel 12 and starter kits. Mhmm. And, oh, of course, Laravel.com redesigned.
Aaron
00:44:52 – 00:44:56
Forgot about that. That was another big one. They redesigned the whole Laravel.com.
Ian
00:44:56 – 00:44:59
Oh, man. There's a lot there. Yeah. There is. That's a transition point.
Ian
00:44:59 – 00:45:00
It feels transitioning.
Aaron
00:45:01 – 00:45:12
Oh, let's talk about 12, and then and then we'll transition to to Laravel.com. Doing a great job of not hanging a lantern on it, aren't we? So 12. Great.
Ian
00:45:12 – 00:45:12
Yeah.
Aaron
00:45:12 – 00:45:28
Minor release, which, you know, major version, but minor release. We love that. No breaking changes. It is a little as, like, as trying to be a good open source boy. It is a little like, oh, if I gotta go update all these packages to support 12.
Aaron
00:45:28 – 00:45:41
Right. Fortunately, Jason McCreary, Laravel Shift has opened a lot of PRs to community packages, which is very helpful. Yeah. It's very helpful. I think he did, like, 5,000, truly.
Aaron
00:45:41 – 00:46:02
Not a bit. Yeah. I think he did, like, 5,000. And, so I got several of those on on some of my, repositories, and that that made it pretty straightforward. There's always still something where it's like, I gotta go in here and do this manually or, like, I've kinda neglected neglected this and, like, I need to, like, tune it up a little bit.
Aaron
00:46:02 – 00:46:03
Some audio
Ian
00:46:03 – 00:46:03
stuff. Yeah.
Aaron
00:46:03 – 00:46:12
Yeah. That was not terribly fun, but feels good now. It's one of those things where it's like a discrete unit, and I can be like, I have now done this, and I feel good about it.
Ian
00:46:12 – 00:46:13
It's accomplished.
Aaron
00:46:13 – 00:46:28
Yeah. So that part is nice. The starter kits, I like what they're doing now where the starter kits are Git repos instead of, like Yeah. Let me install a bunch of stuff and hide it in my vendor directory or something. It's just like Right.
Aaron
00:46:28 – 00:46:35
No. Just clone clone the repo, and, now it's yours. Like, good luck. Have fun.
Ian
00:46:35 – 00:46:36
It's the best way. That
Aaron
00:46:36 – 00:46:38
I think that's that's the way that it should be done.
Ian
00:46:38 – 00:46:46
Every time I've been, it's one of those, like, yeah. I was like, oh, there's this stuff here and then but, like, I can't some of the stuff you can't get at or whatever. It's like, sort of weird. What's mine? What's theirs?
Ian
00:46:46 – 00:46:49
And all that stuff. So, yeah, you can just pack away at it and
Aaron
00:46:49 – 00:47:07
And, eventually, with every starter kit, every UI framework, every anything, you have to eject and do it yourself. Right. And so making it from the beginning, like, you there is no ejection point because from the beginning, you own it. I feel like that is that's probably that's probably the way to go.
Ian
00:47:07 – 00:47:20
And there's just not that much upside to the connection of, like, you're gonna import some new big fee. Like, it's like a starter kit, and you don't want them making this huge change that messes with your app two years from now. Like, that would be a disaster. Right? So, like, it's great.
Ian
00:47:20 – 00:47:31
It's like, this is a starter kit. I'm starting with it. Yep. It's going to diverge as they add other niceties, but also what are they really gonna add? Like, there's only so much they can add as a starter kit.
Ian
00:47:31 – 00:47:32
I they can only do so far.
Aaron
00:47:32 – 00:47:39
And I haven't built in the intervening time, and now you're coming in with your version and it, you know, is a conflict with mine. And yeah. So I agree.
Ian
00:47:39 – 00:47:39
So I think
Aaron
00:47:39 – 00:47:56
This is clearly the way to go. Yeah. Tony Lee is the starter kit guy, and he is, very talented and has been for a long time. And now he's internal at Laravel doing starter kits, and I think it's just it's just the perfect the perfect setup. So, yeah, the new Laravel.com.
Aaron
00:47:56 – 00:48:17
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Aaron
00:48:17 – 00:48:21
You said there's a lot there. What is there? Yes. Tell me. What is there?
Ian
00:48:21 – 00:48:26
I really like it, but the only thing I'm not I really dislike the scroll jacking.
Aaron
00:48:26 – 00:48:27
The scroll jacking.
Ian
00:48:28 – 00:48:36
You get the little animation, but, like, it actually is working better for me today. Like, actually, when it launched, it actually, like, kind of didn't it, like, really didn't work. I don't know if they ever
Aaron
00:48:37 – 00:48:39
I couldn't get past it. I couldn't scroll Yeah.
Ian
00:48:39 – 00:48:42
I couldn't get past it either. I was like, oh, this is not working.
Aaron
00:48:42 – 00:48:43
I'm stuck. Yeah.
Ian
00:48:44 – 00:48:48
Yeah. So okay. So it wasn't just me. So yeah. So it does seem like they've, I guess, sped it up.
Ian
00:48:48 – 00:49:06
It seems sped up, or maybe it was just broken before. I don't know. But besides that, I really like, once you get past the scroll jacking part, which at least, like, smartly, that's only, like, the pop is, like, animation and then just do the normal scrolling after that. Like, I like those sections and how it's broken off. It's it's a lot, which is sort of interesting, like, a little change from what they've had in the past.
Ian
00:49:06 – 00:49:23
Like, it's like I mean, they do a lot now, I guess. It's like, part of it, but, there's a lot there. But it it kinda covers the big pieces, I think, pretty well. And I like how it's, like, code. And it's like, here's the code for the thing you're doing and, like, how clean and easy all that is.
Ian
00:49:23 – 00:49:26
So yeah. So I I liked all that. What are your thoughts there?
Aaron
00:49:26 – 00:49:28
I think it's gorgeous, first of all.
Ian
00:49:28 – 00:49:29
Yeah.
Aaron
00:49:29 – 00:49:57
I think it looks amazing. I think it highlights I think it highlights the ecosystem quite well, which, this is this is a challenge, I think, when you are as big as Laravel. Like, you there's just so much to cover. Like, you have a you have a bunch of stuff you gotta say and a bunch of stuff you gotta, like, tell people about. And so your information density needs to be pretty high, and you have to have a good way to, like, show it all off.
Aaron
00:49:57 – 00:50:15
I think this does a better job of that. Yeah. And I think it just looks way better. My only complaint is the scroll jacking. And I'm not even, like, I'm not even, like, I'm not even, like, a Hacker News hater.
Aaron
00:50:15 – 00:50:27
Like, I'm not like, oh, it doesn't work without my JavaScript on. I'm like, get over. Like, you're you're being you're being an idiot. Like, use JavaScript. So I I consider myself to be a a reasonableist.
Aaron
00:50:28 – 00:50:34
Yes. And even I am like, oh, did it freeze? Like, what's going on? Oh, no. I need to keep scrolling.
Aaron
00:50:35 – 00:50:41
So that's the only thing that I would change on the home page is, like, let me just scroll past this stuff.
Ian
00:50:42 – 00:50:45
Like Yeah. I think so. I don't think that animation adds enough. You know?
Aaron
00:50:45 – 00:50:46
I don't think that good
Ian
00:50:46 – 00:50:50
stuff below it that, like, you'd hate for people to miss because they're like
Aaron
00:50:50 – 00:50:58
And I will say the, let's let's, like, hold the animation out. That graphic itself is beautiful.
Ian
00:50:58 – 00:50:58
Oh,
Aaron
00:50:58 – 00:51:11
it's awesome. Yeah. The build, deploy, monitor with the logos and the boxes. Mhmm. Either just make it an animation or make it a static image, but don't make it a scroll a scroll activated image.
Aaron
00:51:11 – 00:51:26
You know? Keep the image because it's it's stunning. But, yeah, the interaction is a little weird. And then when you get to the bottom and you keep scrolling and the testimonials start to scroll side to side based on your vertical scroll, that's where I'm like, what? Wait.
Aaron
00:51:26 – 00:51:30
What's going on? How did I end up with the situation? That
Ian
00:51:30 – 00:51:33
wouldn't bother me so much only because it's, like, it's at the bottom.
Aaron
00:51:33 – 00:51:34
Super. Yeah.
Ian
00:51:34 – 00:51:44
Whatever. I think what what is actually really like best, probably the best thing actually is just the top navigation. I think they, like, kinda nail the top navigation.
Aaron
00:51:44 – 00:51:45
Yeah. I
Ian
00:51:45 – 00:51:56
just love how there's, like, products. Here is, like, the products Yep. Very clearly. Right? Like, the open source stuff, everything has, like, this nice logo now, and it's all, like, kinda awesome and cool.
Ian
00:51:56 – 00:52:11
And, I think laid out well there. And then the developer section, I I love. Like, it's got all, like, viral news and jobs and upcoming events and, Laracast thing there and everything. Like, it's, like, perfect. Like, you're a developer Yeah.
Ian
00:52:11 – 00:52:17
Where to start. Right? Here's the docs. Here's the resources so you can learn better. Here's the community stuff.
Ian
00:52:17 – 00:52:21
Like, it's all right there. So I don't know. I thought that was really good.
Aaron
00:52:22 – 00:52:30
And the new the new package logos are awesome. Yeah. I think Love those little isometric things. I think those are awesome. Do you know who this
Ian
00:52:30 – 00:52:32
is, Hugo, or do you wanna know who designed
Aaron
00:52:32 – 00:52:44
the major? I don't know. I don't know if it was all David or David and Hugo or, you know, somebody else on the I know Hugo's been doing a lot of stuff on cloud, but so has David. So I don't know. I feel like Right.
Aaron
00:52:44 – 00:52:51
I don't know. Like they're all kinda working on everything. Yeah. But whoever did it, hats off. It looks great.
Aaron
00:52:51 – 00:53:14
You did a fantastic job. And I think this is, like, not only is it, like, aesthetically pleasing, I do think this is this is necessary. Like, this is very important for, obviously, their business, but also our community to have, like we've talked extensively about how much PHP.net sucks. And this is like, hey. Don't don't actually ever go to PHP.net.
Aaron
00:53:14 – 00:53:30
Just, like, go to Laravel is the p h PHP ecosystem. Like, let's just go there. And to have something this high quality, I think does lend, like, an air of credibility to the ecosystem as a whole. The old site was great, but this is just, like, way better.
Ian
00:53:30 – 00:53:36
This is the next level. Yeah. And then, I don't know if I guess, Forge didn't get a new site, but cloud, obviously has its
Aaron
00:53:36 – 00:53:38
Yeah. Cloud got its big release. Great.
Ian
00:53:38 – 00:53:44
Yeah. And then I don't know if Nightwatch I think Nightwatch is the same as it was, just kind of the landing page.
Aaron
00:53:44 – 00:53:49
Uh-huh. Yep. Which is also beautifully beautifully designed.
Ian
00:53:49 – 00:54:03
Yes. I think it's kinda interesting too. Like, the Laravel.com is, like, just kinda white clean, and then the, like, breakout sites are more colorful. Yeah. It's kinda like the different vibe between them, which is, like, good distinction there.
Ian
00:54:03 – 00:54:12
I I, producer Dave set up a call, I think, after Laracon EU, he would talk to, like, Jess or something. But, anyway, had a call yesterday with Nightwatch.
Aaron
00:54:12 – 00:54:13
Oh, no way.
Ian
00:54:13 – 00:54:25
Yeah. With Jess and Philip. That was cool. Given them our, like, crazy help spot setup Yeah. So that they can keep it in mind for Nightwatch stuff in the future.
Aaron
00:54:25 – 00:54:35
That's good. That's good. I, I heard somebody at Laracon EU talking to Jess, and they're like, yeah. So we've got, like, 3,000 servers. And I'm like, good effing lord.
Aaron
00:54:35 – 00:54:47
Like, the the stuff that I don't know. The stuff that real businesses do is just so foreign kind of to me as, like, a, like, a adorable little hobbyist. You know?
Ian
00:54:47 – 00:54:48
It's just
Aaron
00:54:48 – 00:54:53
like, you have 3,000 servers, and I'm sure HelpSpot has, you know, many, many 50 to 400
Ian
00:54:53 – 00:54:54
depending on
Aaron
00:54:54 – 00:55:03
how it has. And y'all is probably even more esoteric because it's out in the wild. You know? Like, I know you're trying to bring a lot of it back home, but it's like Yeah. Yeah.
Aaron
00:55:03 – 00:55:07
They got a lot of people doing their own thing. So Yep. Yeah. That's good. I'm glad I'm glad y'all talk to them.
Aaron
00:55:07 – 00:55:12
That product is gonna be that's gonna be next level. It's gonna be next level.
Ian
00:55:12 – 00:55:19
It's also, like, the first, like, not just hosting. You know? It's like this is way outside. Like, it's a whole app. It's not hosting.
Ian
00:55:20 – 00:55:26
Man, they're on the Australia. I just love Australians. Australians. Australia. Number one in the world.
Aaron
00:55:26 – 00:55:27
Australia. One.
Ian
00:55:28 – 00:55:34
Number two, Canadians. Those are my top two. And then, like, obviously, United States is way, way down the list.
Aaron
00:55:34 – 00:55:39
Oh, we're easily top 50, though, for sure. I got it. I don't know. I don't know.
Ian
00:55:42 – 00:55:43
Maybe top 50. Fine.
Aaron
00:55:43 – 00:55:48
On on the freaking awesome scale, we're number one. But on everything else everything else, we're
Ian
00:55:48 – 00:55:51
comfortable with the Australians are so good, man. They're so good. I love Australians.
Aaron
00:55:52 – 00:55:53
They're so good.
Ian
00:55:53 – 00:55:56
I wish it wasn't so far away. Like, I I still haven't been there. I would
Aaron
00:55:56 – 00:55:57
Yeah. Who's the workplace
Ian
00:55:57 – 00:55:59
would love to move? But it's so far away.
Aaron
00:55:59 – 00:56:00
Like It's too far away.
Ian
00:56:00 – 00:56:06
You gotta come back for anything. Like, you got a family thing, whatever. It's like, I gotta go thirty hours of travel to get back.
Aaron
00:56:06 – 00:56:11
You know we're getting supersonic travel thanks to thanks to y combinator. So at some
Ian
00:56:11 – 00:56:12
point Musk.
Aaron
00:56:13 – 00:56:17
No. He's Rockets. This is boom. This is a I proper airplane company.
Ian
00:56:18 – 00:56:18
Yeah.
Aaron
00:56:18 – 00:56:23
Yeah. I know I know you were doing a thing, and I just I wasn't gonna have it. Yeah. Nope. No, sir.
Aaron
00:56:23 – 00:56:26
Not on my watch. That is so maybe how far I
Ian
00:56:26 – 00:56:26
can go, though?
Aaron
00:56:27 – 00:56:30
So far because it's so fast. Far and faster similar.
Ian
00:56:30 – 00:56:31
A lot of gas, though. You know?
Aaron
00:56:31 – 00:56:38
Yeah. I can't speak to that. But, hopefully, at some point, we'll be able to get down to Australia. Cool. Yeah.
Aaron
00:56:38 – 00:56:41
Lot of good lot of good Laravel folks down there, aren't there?
Ian
00:56:41 – 00:56:42
There are.
Aaron
00:56:42 – 00:56:45
Yeah. What's the deal? What are they what's in the water down in Australia?
Ian
00:56:45 – 00:56:47
I don't know how this all happened. Like, how
Aaron
00:56:47 – 00:56:49
Besides crocodiles and snakes
Ian
00:56:49 – 00:57:00
and stuff. In? Like, I don't know if Jess got in there and then, like, built it out or if it was if it was established on its own, like, you know, just, Darwinian
Aaron
00:57:01 – 00:57:06
sort of situation. Oh, maybe literally. Wasn't he, like, around there? I guess he was a He was a different island. Yeah.
Aaron
00:57:06 – 00:57:07
He's somewhere. Right?
Ian
00:57:07 – 00:57:08
I don't think he went to Australia,
Aaron
00:57:10 – 00:57:11
did he? I
Ian
00:57:11 – 00:57:14
don't know. Who knows? Probably too far away. In that zone, is it the Pacific somewhere, which is,
Aaron
00:57:14 – 00:57:14
you know
Ian
00:57:14 – 00:57:15
That counts. That's Yeah. That's all the stuff.
Aaron
00:57:15 – 00:57:21
I don't know where Duluth is. I don't know where Darwin did his studies. No. No way. Are you kidding me?
Aaron
00:57:22 – 00:57:32
Not a chance. Yeah. So good Monday for Laravel. Good releases. Good job, team.
Aaron
00:57:32 – 00:57:42
Very proud of the team. It's big. I feel like the, I feel like it's it's an inflection point. Taylor's right now. He's in the studio with Primogen.
Aaron
00:57:42 – 00:57:53
Like, some somehow, ten, you know, twelve years later, it's like, oh, Laravel's on the map now. It's like, guys, we we've been here. What's going on? It's crazy.
Ian
00:57:53 – 00:58:00
Taylor's traveling a lot now. He must be he must be getting those miles. You know? He's got the miles. He's gonna be able to be flying first class for free all over just
Aaron
00:58:00 – 00:58:00
on the miles from the org trial. You know, when when COO Tom
Ian
00:58:00 – 00:58:01
when captain of the basketball team Tom comes in, it's like,
Aaron
00:58:07 – 00:58:11
team Tom comes in, it's like, Taylor, you gotta you gotta go do this thing. You go do the thing.
Ian
00:58:11 – 00:58:12
Gotta go on prime.
Aaron
00:58:13 – 00:58:17
There's a Set it up. 0% chance that Tom is telling Taylor to go travel.
Ian
00:58:19 – 00:58:22
Definitely not the prime anyway. No. That doesn't seem like Tom's.
Aaron
00:58:23 – 00:58:33
No. Man, Tom is the best. I talked to him at Laracon EU, and he was still talking about the basketball game. And I was like, this guy this guy's a competitor. I freaking love it.
Aaron
00:58:33 – 00:58:37
He was he was so funny. So shout out Tom. Good guy, Tom.
Ian
00:58:37 – 00:58:37
Yeah.
Aaron
00:58:38 – 00:58:38
Alright.
Ian
00:58:39 – 00:58:52
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Ian
00:58:53 – 00:58:56
Thanks so much, Okay. I had one other topic here.
Aaron
00:58:56 – 00:58:57
Tell me.
Ian
00:58:57 – 00:59:03
You were listening to, Sanderson on Tim's side. Did you actually get through the whole thing? Or Got
Aaron
00:59:03 – 00:59:05
through the whole thing. Got through the whole thing.
Ian
00:59:05 – 00:59:09
So now are you on board with Sanderson? Because you you haven't you haven't read any Sanderson. I don't
Aaron
00:59:09 – 00:59:25
Here's what I'll tell you I'm on board with. 1000% on board with Sanderson as a person. I am withholding judgment on the books simply because I haven't read them yet, but I am after I finish what I'm currently listening to, Sanderson is next because I'm so, like, on board with him
Ian
00:59:25 – 00:59:26
as a person. To hear.
Aaron
00:59:26 – 00:59:29
It's great. He's awesome. You're gonna love it.
Ian
00:59:29 – 00:59:40
He's right up your alley because he's a very positive, like, in his fantasy battles and things. Like Mhmm. There are they're killing and stuff. But, like, at the end, he's there's a hopeful thread to all of Sandersons writing.
Aaron
00:59:40 – 00:59:40
I love that.
Ian
00:59:40 – 00:59:41
I think you'll enjoy.
Aaron
00:59:41 – 00:59:48
That in my life. And he was talking about, like, what if we did a fantasy book that was also a heist? And I was like Yeah.
Ian
00:59:48 – 00:59:50
Not A heist. Start with Mistborn. Yeah.
Aaron
00:59:50 – 01:00:01
Not A heist? Are you telling me there might be something fast and something furious about this book? I love a heist. So, yeah, he he he definitely hooked me with that premise.
Ian
01:00:01 – 01:00:02
Mhmm.
Aaron
01:00:02 – 01:00:41
Sanderson, the person, is, very, like, pragmatic, considered reasonable, like, good observer of the world as it is and, like, adapts himself to that. Just lots of good talk about, like, the publishing industry and connecting directly with fans and, well, how do I, like, how do I adapt to the changing world instead of rail against it? And I was just like, this guy is very, very smart. And, you know, of course, funny and personable and all the things required to be famous, but, like, also very pragmatic and very smart.
Ian
01:00:42 – 01:00:54
Yeah. Super pragmatic. I think this is a huge thing that separates him from other authors is he was like, yeah. He sees the changes, but, you know, he's like, alright. Well, we have to start our own company so that we can do things that we need to do.
Ian
01:00:54 – 01:01:05
First, you know, most authors just wanna, like, sign a deal and then write books. Yep. So it's like a a lot of programmers. Right? Like, I just wanna be responsible for these classes in this application.
Ian
01:01:05 – 01:01:10
I just wanna show up every day and code those classes and fix bugs and go, like,
Aaron
01:01:10 – 01:01:13
which is a fine way to live, but not what I want.
Ian
01:01:14 – 01:01:26
Right. And and not, you know, it's it does limit you in some ways often. Right? So, like, Sanders was like, nope. We can't, like, totally be dependent on the big four publishing houses or whatever it is.
Ian
01:01:26 – 01:01:56
And, so we have our own company, and now now that's, like, paid off hugely because now he has all kinds of stuff that he is reaping all of the rewards from or the majority of the rewards from instead of, you know, the 5% or whatever he gets on selling a book in a traditional way. And he's a huge, like, you could just do stuff too. Like, I think he gets into it in there where, like, he's like, they did this big Kickstarter and he pretended he was, like, dying or quitting writing or whatever, and then surprised everybody with four novels. Right? And, like, it's like, yeah.
Ian
01:01:56 – 01:01:58
It's COVID. I'll just write extra novels because why not?
Aaron
01:01:58 – 01:01:59
Yes.
Ian
01:01:59 – 01:02:01
And, then Even though, like
Aaron
01:02:01 – 01:02:12
yeah. That was a good shtick about, like, I've been embroiled in some scandal, but, like, that's like a that's like a surface level shtick. Like, anybody could do that. Yeah. That's, yeah, that's craft.
Aaron
01:02:12 – 01:02:24
That's art. That's, like, you know, that's the game. But the fact, like, the, the enduring or, like, the durable moat is, like, I wrote four books and didn't tell anyone.
Ian
01:02:24 – 01:02:26
Right. That that's the moat for sure.
Aaron
01:02:26 – 01:02:26
Incredible.
Ian
01:02:26 – 01:02:27
Right. Like,
Aaron
01:02:27 – 01:02:42
you hook you hook them in with a little bit of flash, a little bit of sizzle, a little bit of, like, fake controversy, and then you're like, by the way, the real meat and potatoes is I wrote four books, and you get them all now. And that's that's unbelievable. That's great. I love that.
Ian
01:02:42 – 01:02:48
And especially because, like, his whole so part of his whole shtick to begin with is, like, he's a very fast writer.
Aaron
01:02:48 – 01:02:48
He
Ian
01:02:48 – 01:03:06
has this whole system where he tracks his words every day and that keeps him motivated. And so he writes these huge novels in, remarkably short time for the size that they are. Yeah. And he's often while he's writing the huge, the biggest ones, he's also has, like, little novellas, which aren't even Mhmm. Almost full novel size.
Ian
01:03:06 – 01:03:16
He's got all this other stuff he's writing, so he's insanely productive. Right? So just for him to then show up with four extra novels, while on the one hand, you're like, oh, yeah. Well, he's a fast writer. But on the other hand, it's like he's already producing
Aaron
01:03:16 – 01:03:18
He's already at work.
Ian
01:03:18 – 01:03:28
Times as much as the other people. Right? And so how where did he find four novels of time? And these are full size novels. These are not like, oh, these are, like, you know, thin.
Ian
01:03:28 – 01:03:45
These are no. These are what everybody else produces as a normal novel. That's what he wrote before of in, like, a year in his spare time. And you're just like so when he came out, the video where he launched it, like, we're watching it, and it's like, me and my kids, I think, at the time. And he just, like, got the printed out novels.
Ian
01:03:45 – 01:03:49
Right? And it's just, like, one after that. I was like, I wrote this novel. Oh, and then I wrote a second. I wrote a third.
Ian
01:03:49 – 01:03:59
And it's just, like, a huge pile of paper, and you're like, how did he do I've just been sitting watching movies in COVID. This guy wrote four novels. Yes. You know what I mean? Like, so it really, really hit home.
Aaron
01:03:59 – 01:04:09
So you're you were a % correct in assuming that I would appreciate and and like that. Yes. Totally, totally my speed. Reality. Yeah.
Aaron
01:04:09 – 01:04:25
Love that. That is just I I'm so I'm so on board. And I'm shocked that, like, I I guess I'm not a huge fantasy guy. I like science fiction, but I'm not a huge fantasy guy. So I guess there's some part of it that makes sense that I've never, like, really crossed paths with him at all.
Aaron
01:04:25 – 01:04:43
Yeah. And so I'll be curious if I enjoy the fantasy aspect of it. But regardless of if I like his books or not, I'm a huge fan of him, And I will I will continue to study him to see how I can adopt any of that mentality or even any of those tactics, for my own
Ian
01:04:43 – 01:04:43
Yeah.
Aaron
01:04:44 – 01:04:45
My own gain.
Ian
01:04:45 – 01:05:06
He has an interesting thing just on the books where, like, the the long term his lifelong so he has a lifelong plan. Like, this whole the Cosmere, which is his main thing, all these interconnected novels, and it's got it's gonna take him his whole life to do it. And it's going from fantasy, which is where he is now. Mhmm. And right now we're kind of at the middle of this, the big plan.
Ian
01:05:06 – 01:05:24
K. And it it's transitioning into space. So it's going to be sci fi by the end. Now it'll still be sci fi based on, like, sort of the magical underpinnings of this universe, so it's not gonna be, like, hard sci fi.
Aaron
01:05:24 – 01:05:24
Right.
Ian
01:05:24 – 01:05:32
It's still gonna be, like, fantasy sci fi. But but he his whole thing is that he's hard magic systems, So there are rules.
Aaron
01:05:32 – 01:05:35
And I did like that. I did like that he has, like, guiding principles.
Ian
01:05:35 – 01:05:46
So even the sci fi era of this will be, like, hard fantasy or hard science fiction in that regard of, like, there are rules You have to play within the rules. There's physics and there's
Aaron
01:05:46 – 01:05:46
the
Ian
01:05:46 – 01:06:00
magical physics, so to speak. And so there will be all that kind of stuff you get in hard sci fi of, like, oh, the spaceship just can't go any faster than this and whatever, like, that kind of thing. So, yeah. So that's it's really interesting. Love Sanderson.
Ian
01:06:00 – 01:06:08
Definitely, very good good guy for when you're feeling I don't know. He's just very optimistic in his stuff overall. So it's,
Aaron
01:06:08 – 01:06:09
good because a lot of
Ian
01:06:09 – 01:06:12
fantasy, though. That'll be interesting to see if you like fantasy.
Aaron
01:06:13 – 01:06:23
The the big genre is dystopian. Right? Even in sci fi, it's like, everything is terrible, and the world is awful, and everything sucks. And Right. One hero, it's like, oh gosh.
Aaron
01:06:23 – 01:06:28
I'm so sad reading this. So to hear that he has, an optimistic point of view. Yeah.
Ian
01:06:28 – 01:06:45
It's kind of what we get. Because in fantasy, there's basically, like, the two biggest people of so there's Tolkien who kinda, like, invented the whole thing. We all know Tolkien. And then there's George r r Martin with Game of Thrones, and then there's Sanderson with this, like, Cosmere world. And I love them both.
Ian
01:06:45 – 01:07:02
I love all three, but, like, it is very interesting, because you just have Game of Thrones is super like, everything's terrible. Everybody's screwing everybody. Everything's horrible. The world's a mess. Now I do actually think even there by the end, they will have more of a hopeful note, especially in the books.
Ian
01:07:02 – 01:07:06
I don't think the show really conveyed, but you're gonna have to get through that whole
Aaron
01:07:06 – 01:07:12
thing. You know? Like 5,000 pages. And then at the end, it'd be like, and he's happy now.
Ian
01:07:12 – 01:07:24
Right. Yeah. So there's still that. So Sanderson has it much more all throughout is much more optimistic. But, I do love I think Game of Thrones Game of Thrones is certainly, better written.
Ian
01:07:24 – 01:07:45
I would say he's like a true craftsman of, like, every word is, like, sort of perfect than, like, the way it all comes together. Sanderson's not that's not really his thing. His thing is more like just he he's a good writer, but it's more like the ideas. Yeah. It's like bigger picture aspect of it rather than, like, the craftsmanship of, like, the literal phrase he uses in a spot type of thing.
Ian
01:07:45 – 01:07:48
But, so anyway, wish to do a
Aaron
01:07:48 – 01:07:51
quick It was a long, you know, three hour podcast.
Ian
01:07:51 – 01:07:52
Yeah. But Yeah.
Aaron
01:07:52 – 01:08:25
I find, especially when I like the guest, I find Tim Ferris's podcast to be pretty good, because he he does a he does a good job, in my opinion, of asking, like, pretty, like, grounding tactical questions of, like Mhmm. I'm listening to you know, they're all so long, but I'm listening to one with Seth Godin right now and and Tim Ferris. And Tim has been like, okay. So tell me an example of when that happened in your business. Because, you know, Seth Godin's got these ideas about how the world works, and, you know, Tim's like, okay, cool.
Aaron
01:08:25 – 01:08:28
When did that, like, I don't I don't get it. Tell me more.
Ian
01:08:28 – 01:08:28
Right.
Aaron
01:08:29 – 01:08:39
And I find that to be very helpful. So but there are some guests where I'm like, I don't wanna learn about new age meditation for three hours. Like, I'm sorry. I'm just gonna skip this one. Yeah.
Aaron
01:08:39 – 01:08:40
So Yeah. That was the first one
Ian
01:08:40 – 01:08:44
I've ever listened to of Tim Barris. And it was it was yeah. He did a good job.
Aaron
01:08:45 – 01:08:53
Yeah. Some of them some of them are very, very good. It just depends on the guest. There's, like, they'll do, like, micro dosing mushrooms, and I'm like, you know? Right.
Aaron
01:08:53 – 01:09:04
Not really something. Yeah. Not really something I super care about. I'm gonna miss that one. I still have not listened to Alex Friedman beyond the levels the Peter levels one.
Ian
01:09:04 – 01:09:14
The absolute worst. He's literally the worst of the famous interview. I mean, he's unbearable. His questions are terrible. Tone is mind numbing.
Aaron
01:09:14 – 01:09:21
It's yeah. That's that's what I found is very flat, and it's like, brother, you want me to listen to four hours of this?
Ian
01:09:21 – 01:09:29
I don't get it. I don't get it. Like, it's like I get Rogan. Rogan is not for me. And But you get it.
Aaron
01:09:29 – 01:09:31
Like, you get the entertainment aspect of it.
Ian
01:09:31 – 01:09:46
The entertainment value. I get that he he's gonna ask some questions I think are just so stupid that I can't frequent it, but I also get he's gonna ask some questions even from, like, the dumb place where, like, then he's gonna get a good answer. Right? Because, like, he's, guy on the street. Yes.
Ian
01:09:46 – 01:09:49
Here's a dumb question. Now you're gonna give me the smart answer to my dumb question or whatever. Right?
Aaron
01:09:49 – 01:09:50
Like Yes.
Ian
01:09:50 – 01:09:51
I get rogue.
Aaron
01:09:51 – 01:09:53
He plays his role very well. Yeah. Yeah.
Ian
01:09:53 – 01:09:58
I don't get like Friedman at all. I don't know why we wanna listen to it for hours. I don't I don't get it, but
Aaron
01:09:59 – 01:09:59
I know.
Ian
01:09:59 – 01:09:59
That's what
Aaron
01:10:00 – 01:10:14
I know. I saw once They're like the Lex Friedman had, like, a seven hour podcast with somebody, and somebody tweeted, oh, perfect for my commute to Europe. It's like, who's who's who's listening to this? Who's listening to seven hours of a podcast?
Ian
01:10:15 – 01:10:22
He also likes pretty big guy just does weird stuff. Like, he's tweets like, he's been tweeting about Taylor and I know. Prime and stuff. And they're like, we don't even know
Aaron
01:10:23 – 01:10:23
I know.
Ian
01:10:23 – 01:10:24
What you're talking about.
Aaron
01:10:24 – 01:10:28
Started following Primogen and Taylor and Wes Boss, and then it was like And
Ian
01:10:28 – 01:10:36
then Prime's like, I don't know what you're talking about. Am I coming on the show? Like, he's just shooting at them. And, like but they haven't been on the show. So I don't know.
Ian
01:10:36 – 01:10:44
Like, he's just a weird dude, obviously. You know? But, I don't know. So what's on the Aaron Francis train for this week? More grinding?
Ian
01:10:44 – 01:10:45
More coding?
Aaron
01:10:45 – 01:10:53
More coding? More coding? More recording, screencasting. You know? I don't know if you've been following Steve on Twitter, but he's got his old studio set up in the garage.
Ian
01:10:54 – 01:10:54
Oh, I did
Aaron
01:10:54 – 01:10:55
see that stuff. Yeah. Yeah.
Ian
01:10:55 – 01:10:57
That was really cool how he's doing the lights and
Aaron
01:10:57 – 01:11:04
stuff. Yeah. Super cool. So, yeah, more of that, more open source work, catching up on solo, on fusion.
Ian
01:11:05 – 01:11:07
The other course launched. Right? Or no?
Aaron
01:11:07 – 01:11:09
Yeah. Real course launched. Yeah.
Ian
01:11:09 – 01:11:12
Okay. How's that going? Like, it's for sale now and everything.
Aaron
01:11:12 – 01:11:21
Yeah. It's for sale. It's working. It's it's working. I think it is, frankly, better than we expected.
Aaron
01:11:21 – 01:11:22
Like, we expected it
Ian
01:11:22 – 01:11:22
That's great.
Aaron
01:11:22 – 01:11:39
Like, a relatively low key launch, and I think it's done much better than that. But it's less than, like, one of the generic database only courses because we're kinda combining two things. And so, of course, that niches it down. Yeah. But, yeah, super super pleased with the launch, actually.
Aaron
01:11:40 – 01:12:14
It's sort of an open question as to whether or not or how we'll do the guest instructor thing again, because is the like, what is the highest and best use of our time? Is that doing another guest or, like, doubling down on the stuff we're doing? And right now, it feels like doubling down on the stuff that we're doing in house. That's what it feels like. I think if we had reached the point where it's like, yeah, we don't know what we're gonna do next, then it would make sense to say, well, let's hire, you know, an expert in some other area and branch out.
Aaron
01:12:14 – 01:12:26
But that's not the case right now. So, successful experiment, which is good because they don't they're not always successful. Right. Successful experiment. Launch went great.
Aaron
01:12:26 – 01:12:40
I think Steven's happy, the instructor, and then, of course, r Steve is happy. And so I think everybody's happy and yeah. Super cool. It was nice for me. People would ask questions about, like, the content, and I'm like, I don't know.
Aaron
01:12:40 – 01:12:46
Ask Steve ask Steven. Like, let me let me tag Steven. That's kinda nice. It was a very low pressure launch for me.
Ian
01:12:46 – 01:13:03
Well, that could be also the kind of thing you just get dropped in. Right? Because, like, okay. You have your mainline series. And when it's like, oh, this mainline series, there's, like, this overlapping technology where, like, maybe there's an opportunity, but, like, for you to go off into rails land or JavaScript land or whatever, like, maybe that's not worth it.
Ian
01:13:03 – 01:13:07
Yeah. So it's like, okay, You got the mainline one. You have an offshoot one that you just have somebody else to do.
Aaron
01:13:07 – 01:13:16
And I will say that, reminds me of a point. The bundle sales have been doing very well. Oh, interesting. We we've bundled,
Ian
01:13:17 – 01:13:17
We did bundle.
Aaron
01:13:18 – 01:13:45
We we bundled high leverage rails and high performance SQLite. And so if you want if you want to, like, get a cursory overview of SQLite from a rails perspective, you can just buy the one course. But if you wanna dive super deep, we've got a discount to buy both of them together. And that, like, that's been doing very well. And so that that leads me to believe that bundling could be, like, a big part of a big part of our future.
Aaron
01:13:45 – 01:13:51
So that is a that is a data point that we did not have before this, and we have now learned, and that is valuable moving forward.
Ian
01:13:52 – 01:14:00
So I I just wanna ask you because if this bundle is not on tryhardstudio.com, and it's not on highperformanceSQLite.com. So is it on the other one?
Aaron
01:14:01 – 01:14:02
I should hope so.
Ian
01:14:03 – 01:14:06
We gotta we gotta get this website situation straight.
Aaron
01:14:06 – 01:14:06
I was
Ian
01:14:06 – 01:14:09
like, oh, let me go look at this bundle. Oh, it's not there. Oh, it's not there.
Aaron
01:14:10 – 01:14:18
Highleveragehighleveragerails.com. Buy now. High performance SQLite bundle. Yeah. It's down there.
Aaron
01:14:18 – 01:14:21
So we need to add the bundle to high performance SQLite. Yeah.
Ian
01:14:21 – 01:14:24
And this one doesn't have a team. Now why doesn't this one have a team?
Aaron
01:14:25 – 01:14:33
You know, Ian? And that's a good answer. Questions. That is a good good good good good good good question. We'll add a team tier.
Ian
01:14:33 – 01:14:38
Oh, no. This one does have other courses linked off it, which is nice, which the other ones don't have the other courses.
Aaron
01:14:38 – 01:14:40
I don't know. We're learning as we go.
Ian
01:14:40 – 01:14:42
Yeah. So I go retrofit that. We gotta
Aaron
01:14:42 – 01:14:49
go the other ones. Go bring some of that back. Mhmm. Mhmm. So I was telling Steve this yesterday.
Aaron
01:14:52 – 01:15:20
If there was some part of me that thought, like, after having launched these the first two courses, SQLite and Postgres, thinking that, like, oh, we've got a business. Like, we've got a like, this is this is a business. We're out of the startup phase and, like, things are working. And I think what I'm realizing is we had two very successful launches, and we still have to build the business. And so stuff like you're talking about here, like, every site should link to every other site.
Aaron
01:15:20 – 01:15:44
Every site every course should have team bundles. Every email should have links to all the courses. Like, those types of things, we just haven't, like, we haven't executed on yet. And I think as the launch hype fades away, those things become just, like, infinitely more important. And it's good for me to realize we did a great job last year, and I'm super proud of us.
Aaron
01:15:44 – 01:15:52
But we still have a long way to go in terms of, like, let's build a business and not, you know, a hype lunch train, basically.
Ian
01:15:52 – 01:16:09
I mean, I think especially now that you have I mean, I feel like I've been I bought so many of these things where I just buy the the biggest bundle. Because I'm like, well, I might want that someday. Right? And it's like, for you guys to be like, okay. Here's your Postgres and your SQLite and your MySQL when you get that out.
Ian
01:16:09 – 01:16:12
Right? Like, that should just be a bundle. Yep. Here's everything we have. Right?
Ian
01:16:12 – 01:16:21
And it's, like, twice the price except you're getting four times the value. Yep. And I just think a ton of people are gonna be like, okay. Like, I used two or three of these out of the four. Right.
Ian
01:16:21 – 01:16:30
I'm just gonna buy it. Right? And, like, whatever. So, yeah, I think that that's definitely money on the table for sure that it's just, like, no extra work once
Aaron
01:16:30 – 01:16:30
you just
Ian
01:16:30 – 01:16:47
get, you know, once you get it set up. So Yep. But you'll get there. Yeah. I do think, like, these course things, it is weird, like, because it's not subscription, and you kinda have to always be launching or selling or SEO or whatever, all the different angles on it, but you do kinda have to keep it keep it rolling.
Ian
01:16:47 – 01:16:50
So at least you keep that baseline revenue reasonable.
Aaron
01:16:50 – 01:16:54
Yep. So so we are learning. Yeah.
Ian
01:16:55 – 01:16:58
Aaron Freitas has been off in open source land coming back to commercial.
Aaron
01:16:59 – 01:17:07
It's, you know, it's a TikTok. You gotta do both. So gotta keep gotta keep all the plates spinning, unfortunately. Yep.
Ian
01:17:08 – 01:17:10
Alright. Well, that sounds good.
Aaron
01:17:13 – 01:17:20
Give us a readout. Last week, you kinda you just, like, you froze, and you you didn't read us out. You're like, well, see you later. I know.
Ian
01:17:20 – 01:17:25
Since I got rid of my whole standard readout, right, now it's like I'm like, oh, what's the point of the readout?
Aaron
01:17:25 – 01:17:27
Yeah. Whatever. Alright. We're done.
Ian
01:17:28 – 01:17:33
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01:17:33 – 01:17:35
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Ian
01:17:35 – 01:17:45
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Aaron
01:17:45 – 01:17:48
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Ian
01:17:48 – 01:17:48
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Aaron
01:17:48 – 01:17:53
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Ian
01:17:54 – 01:18:01
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Ian
01:18:02 – 01:18:03
We will see you next
Aaron
01:18:03 – 01:18:05
week. Later. So long.
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