Morning Person

June 11, 2024

Ian & Aaron discuss what's going on with Aaron's course and Ian's feistiness on Twitter before diving into what's going on with Aaron's HVAC system (seriously) and a lot more. Sponsored by LaraJobs & Screencasting.com. Interested in sponsoring Mostly Technical? Head to https://mostlytechnical.com/sponsor to learn more.
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Transcript

Ian
00:00:00 – 00:00:02
Hello? We are back, baby.
Aaron
00:00:02 – 00:00:07
Back with a normal episode. We've done few weeks of, interviews and stuff, so we're going back to the Now
Ian
00:00:07 – 00:00:16
regular format. We've had a lot of guests. I've I've missed my just sit around and complain with Ian time. Right. Had to, like I've had to put on my shiny face.
Ian
00:00:16 – 00:00:22
You know, when Taylor comes on the show, you gotta you gotta be all happy, and now let's just complain about some stuff, man.
Aaron
00:00:22 – 00:00:23
We could do that. We could do that.
Ian
00:00:23 – 00:00:24
I love that. That's
Aaron
00:00:24 – 00:00:25
my favorite thing.
Ian
00:00:26 – 00:00:33
It was funny. Somebody said on Twitter that when they'd never seen Taylor more alive than when you 2 started talking about Star Wars.
Aaron
00:00:35 – 00:00:53
I should pick up that episode. We did the episode of the had this little podcast for, like, 5 or 10 episodes, anything but code, which is I remember that. The most exciting call, obviously. And, Yeah. We did a couple we just I I was episode 7 or I think when it came out, we did a we did a podcast about it.
Aaron
00:00:53 – 00:01:01
So, yeah, Star Wars, man. He was drinking it. I didn't notice this real time, but somebody pointed out that he's drinking separate Coke Zeros from inside his desk. He's
Ian
00:01:01 – 00:01:04
just Double fist and Coke zeros.
Aaron
00:01:04 – 00:01:06
Oh, we had him in his zone.
Ian
00:01:07 – 00:01:07
Performance, baby.
Aaron
00:01:08 – 00:01:18
I never thought I'm, like, so anti soda, and I never thought my podcast would become a platform for big soda, but I feel like it's just all the time. It's big sodas on here getting in, weaseling it
Ian
00:01:18 – 00:01:24
Rubbing it in our faces. Yeah. I know. Free advertising. Now that I'm now that I'm anti soda, everybody's like, hey.
Ian
00:01:24 – 00:01:28
Let's let's tag Aaron every time I drink a soda. And I'm like, no.
Aaron
00:01:29 – 00:01:32
Guess we have bond just got one of those, like, beer hats, but it's just going to
Ian
00:01:32 – 00:01:32
be a Coke
Aaron
00:01:32 – 00:01:34
0 getting piped into their mouth
Ian
00:01:34 – 00:01:41
from God's jaws. Dream. Oh, man. I would love to have one of those full of diet Cokes.
Aaron
00:01:41 – 00:01:47
How is your your, going cold turkey on your soda situation? You alright?
Ian
00:01:47 – 00:02:01
Yeah. It's fine. Yeah. I get I get one maybe every week or 2 weeks. I'll, like, be driving around, and I'll, yeah, I'll drive through McDonald's and get, you know, one and feel like I'm alive again.
Ian
00:02:02 – 00:02:17
But it's fine. You know, I really haven't had one from the can in a couple of months, and it's it's okay. It's just not it's not great. I would love to drink soda, but I think and I hate I hate that I'm about to say this. I think I feel a little bit better.
Ian
00:02:18 – 00:02:23
Oh. I know. Wow. Don't you hate that? I hate that.
Ian
00:02:23 – 00:02:40
There's nothing worse than resisting something and then doing it and finding out that everyone was right. That is, like, man, I just that's the worst. But, yeah, I think I feel I think I feel a little bit better. I'm sleeping better. And honestly, I think I feel like, my stomach feels better.
Ian
00:02:40 – 00:02:50
I think I was out in, you know, 3 or 4 sodas a day, and I'm not sure that's good for the old, you know, whatever gut health is that's made up. But I don't know if it affects this. So
Aaron
00:02:50 – 00:02:51
Yeah. Yeah.
Ian
00:02:51 – 00:02:52
I feel a little bit better.
Aaron
00:02:52 – 00:02:59
That's good. Yeah. Caffeine, all that sugar. It's like, I had this the other day where, like, I made a oatmeal. Right?
Aaron
00:02:59 – 00:03:07
Like, I boiled the steel cut oats, like, steel cut oats to boil them. Right? And, like, and I wanted cinnamon brown sugar oatmeal. Right? And so I'm like, oh, man.
Aaron
00:03:07 – 00:03:15
Alright. How much sugar to put in? And I made this I made a half a cup of steel cut oats, so, like, kind of a bigger amount. So I was like, alright. I'm gonna do a tablespoon of brown sugar, which is like a lot of sugar.
Aaron
00:03:15 – 00:03:24
I was like, how much sugar is in a tablespoon? It's probably, like, a 100 grams. I don't even know. It's 12 grams of sugar. And I was like, this seemed like an insane amount of sugar put in, like, when you scoop it.
Aaron
00:03:24 – 00:03:26
And I'm like, a can of Coke's got, like, 56
Ian
00:03:26 – 00:03:27
50. Like that.
Aaron
00:03:27 – 00:03:33
Yeah. So it's like, if I took 4 of these and put them into some water and spun it up, that's like what a one can of Coke
Ian
00:03:33 – 00:03:36
Oh, man. It's That's some good water right there.
Aaron
00:03:37 – 00:03:37
In the
Ian
00:03:37 – 00:03:38
shoot. I would love that.
Aaron
00:03:39 – 00:03:45
Think so. If you had to, like, literally make your own soda by putting the sugar into it, you'd be like, holy cow. This is an unbelievable amount of sugar.
Ian
00:03:46 – 00:03:47
But no.
Aaron
00:03:48 – 00:03:51
I had also seen one thing where that I started, I've become a morning person.
Ian
00:03:51 – 00:03:52
Woah. Yeah.
Aaron
00:03:53 – 00:04:07
So I've switched sides. I've always been a late night person. Been switching the morning person. So I I wake up at, like, between 5:30, 6:15 in there. I, like, do a meditation, and I go for a walk.
Aaron
00:04:07 – 00:04:10
I do my 3 mile walk every morning just about
Ian
00:04:10 – 00:04:11
You're you're a new man.
Aaron
00:04:11 – 00:04:23
Days. I'm a new man, and I have to say, I think it is better. I'm still my brain is processing it a little bit weirdly. Like, at night, I'm like, oh, shouldn't I be, like, coding something or doing something? Yeah.
Aaron
00:04:23 – 00:04:39
Like, so because I'm and then I'm just too tired by, like, 10 o'clock to, like, start doing anything. So I'm like, okay. I I can't I, like, literally can't do it. And but, yeah, I think it is better, like, starting your day with, like, walk and being outside and, like In the quiet. Yeah.
Aaron
00:04:39 – 00:04:48
Quiet or just listen to a podcast that I feel like I haven't had time for in forever, so I'll listen to some podcasts or audiobook and just be amongst the birds or whatever.
Ian
00:04:48 – 00:04:58
I hate that. It it is true. Terrible. It is very true that, like, waking up early and starting your day early just feels better. It's
Aaron
00:04:58 – 00:04:58
so bad.
Ian
00:04:58 – 00:05:00
It's just better, and I hate it so much.
Aaron
00:05:00 – 00:05:01
It's so bad.
Ian
00:05:01 – 00:05:11
At this at this rate, I'm gonna try being a vegan and doing CrossFit, and I'm gonna be like, shoot. They were right too. But I know horrible. It's horrible. Waking up early is better.
Ian
00:05:11 – 00:05:27
I I have a hard time doing it. I don't do it much anymore. But there was a period where I was waking up at, like, 5:30 or 6, and it was just better. I just felt like I got so much more accomplished. I I would look up, and it's 11 o'clock, and I'm like, well, that was a good day.
Ian
00:05:27 – 00:05:30
I did a lot of good work there. Yeah. So I know
Aaron
00:05:30 – 00:05:39
Even that I'm not even utilizing it that way. I'm taking it more on the, like, cleanse my mind, lower stress kind of angle to it, and just get some exercise. But
Ian
00:05:39 – 00:05:41
A little little more of the woo woo instead of
Aaron
00:05:41 – 00:05:41
the cap.
Ian
00:05:42 – 00:05:42
More woo woo. Yeah.
Aaron
00:05:43 – 00:06:03
Yeah. But even if I wanted to or sometimes needed to go capitalist on it, it's like, well, if I woke up at 6, like, I'd probably be a lot fresher. Like, if I jumped into working, I'd probably do a lot better stuff between 6 and 8 than I do from 11 to 1. Like that's the problem, you know, where presumably I'm gonna be more awake and aware and all that stuff. So even for that, it's probably better.
Aaron
00:06:03 – 00:06:09
And, of course, my wife has been, like, trying to get me to do this for literally 20 something years. And so
Ian
00:06:09 – 00:06:11
Well, I hope she doesn't listen. You can't tell.
Aaron
00:06:12 – 00:06:13
I know. That's so bad.
Ian
00:06:13 – 00:06:16
Amy, you're right. Ian was wrong.
Aaron
00:06:16 – 00:06:19
Oh, Yuri. Listens anyway. Maybe she'll miss this one. Let me
Ian
00:06:19 – 00:06:21
Hopefully, she misses this one. Yeah.
Aaron
00:06:21 – 00:06:28
But so that's that's, been good. I don't know. We'll see how winter goes. It's not like Texas where it's just nice all year long. Mhmm.
Aaron
00:06:28 – 00:06:31
We do have a treadmill, but walking on treadmill is not No. I don't love that.
Ian
00:06:31 – 00:06:32
So much. Yeah.
Aaron
00:06:32 – 00:06:40
I like being outside. So I don't know. We'll see how it goes. But alright. Everybody's getting healthy on the most technical podcast where No.
Ian
00:06:40 – 00:06:43
I'm trying, man. That's what that's what happens when you get old.
Aaron
00:06:43 – 00:06:59
Yeah. You gotta start. I mean, that's the thing. It's like, I've always tried different workout strategies and like, I inevitably like hurt myself or I just stopped doing it or whatever. And so I've just reset on a totally different strategy, which is just walk.
Aaron
00:06:59 – 00:07:08
Like, I'm just starting with walking, like, 3 miles, 4 miles. I'm just starting there because, like, you just sit and do literally nothing all day. Nothing. Tub, you know?
Ian
00:07:08 – 00:07:08
Yes.
Aaron
00:07:08 – 00:07:19
And it's like, I'm gonna be able to walk. I'm not gonna hurt myself, and that's all gonna be fine. And so that's my strategy. So far, I've been going good, like, a month or so this. So we'll see how it goes.
Aaron
00:07:19 – 00:07:40
But I've been really liking it. Definitely feel a big difference even just physically, like, it does when you're doing nothing, going from nothing to walking 3 or 4 miles, you actually do feel a lot. Like, at some point, presumably, I'll probably, like, whatever. I could I could up it, go faster, whatever, but, like, phase 1 is just, oh, actually use my body in a normal way. Let's start there instead
Ian
00:07:40 – 00:07:40
of just
Aaron
00:07:40 – 00:07:41
sitting all day. So
Ian
00:07:42 – 00:07:44
Oh, man. Diet and exercise.
Aaron
00:07:44 – 00:07:46
Oh, god. Lame podcast.
Ian
00:07:46 – 00:07:48
Lame what a lame freaking answer
Aaron
00:07:52 – 00:07:53
talking about your diet
Ian
00:07:55 – 00:07:55
and stuff.
Aaron
00:07:56 – 00:07:58
Man, this is rough. This is rough here.
Ian
00:07:58 – 00:08:06
We already complained about the technology, kiddos, and now we're talking about diet and exercise. We might as well just move into the home, Ian.
Aaron
00:08:07 – 00:08:19
Where we're throw a couple weeks ago, we're thrown down with the JavaScript kids. Now we're, like, we're walking and waking up early. We're getting our fiber. Like, what transition that says for the poor listening.
Ian
00:08:19 – 00:08:22
Such as life. Yeah. Alright. What are we doing today?
Aaron
00:08:22 – 00:08:23
I had a crazy week, man.
Ian
00:08:24 – 00:08:26
Tell me. I love a crazy week.
Aaron
00:08:26 – 00:08:37
Crazy. I mean, this is one of these weeks. It's been on our calendar for, like, a year, and it's just like every week you're a week closer to this upcoming week that's on your calendar. It's gonna be stressful.
Ian
00:08:37 – 00:08:39
This is foreboding. Yeah.
Aaron
00:08:39 – 00:08:48
It's good, but it's stressful. It's all 3 kids. The alignment of my children's ages are such that all 3 of them this year had a graduation in the same week.
Ian
00:08:48 – 00:08:53
Oh, man. So it was absolute chaos. So what are they graduating from? Give me the
Aaron
00:08:53 – 00:09:04
the rundown. The big one, high school. I'll get the high school graduation, with accompanying party, of course, of course, which was on Sunday. And then we had middle school graduation.
Ian
00:09:05 – 00:09:08
Great. What is that? Graduating out of 8th grade?
Aaron
00:09:08 – 00:09:15
8th to 9th. Yep. So out of 8th grade and then, and then out of 5th grade. So grade school graduation. So grade school.
Aaron
00:09:15 – 00:09:32
Okay. All of them were between Wednesday and Friday in different times. And the high school one had a dinner the night before. And, you know, so we're, and then we're prepping for the party that we're throwing, that we're not doing at our house. So we're having to box up stuff and haul it around and, you know, get it all prepped for shipping it around in my truck.
Aaron
00:09:32 – 00:09:36
And it was a lot. But everything turned out good.
Ian
00:09:36 – 00:09:36
You made it.
Aaron
00:09:36 – 00:09:40
Very nice. I made it through. K. Everybody was happy. Yeah.
Aaron
00:09:40 – 00:09:56
My kids' school, the older 2, they actually give speeches. So it's not just like the graduation. It's not just like, woah. Get handed a little diploma thing and walk back to their seat. They got up there and did a several minute speech.
Aaron
00:09:56 – 00:10:16
So that was really cool. The middle kid was the middle schooler was quite anxious about this, but he executed very well. So it was really cute to see him up there and enunciating and taking the time, and he did a good, a great job with it. And then the older one did a really good job with his. He didn't he was nervous, I think, but he didn't at least express it to us as much of his nerves.
Aaron
00:10:16 – 00:10:24
So, Yeah. You know, family and photos and all all the things.
Ian
00:10:25 – 00:10:27
So yeah, week, man.
Aaron
00:10:27 – 00:10:38
Yeah, it was a big week. It was just like, just all like back to back to back 3 days in a row. It's just like, you don't even get that breather of, like, waiting for trash for a day or anything. Luckily, you know, work was alright. No.
Aaron
00:10:38 – 00:10:48
No. Not a big drama at work, so that was good. We didn't have any servers collapse or anything weird. And, so there's no extra extra stuff. But, Yeah.
Aaron
00:10:48 – 00:11:00
It was it's a really cool stage. I think in the future, it'll be night. Like, so in 4 years, we'll have the same thing with the older 2, but at least last month in college. So that happens like a month before the high school one. So we'll have a break in there.
Aaron
00:11:00 – 00:11:10
So we we shouldn't have this exact scenario again of everybody literally all at once. That was all life achievement, little badge there.
Ian
00:11:11 – 00:11:17
Man, that is getting getting one graduated from high school. Is he going off to college?
Aaron
00:11:17 – 00:11:18
Yep. He's going to college.
Ian
00:11:19 – 00:11:21
In, like, on campus, or he's out of the house?
Aaron
00:11:21 – 00:11:30
He's not shipping them. Shipping them out. Wow. Which, we didn't we didn't live on campus. We commuted, where Jamie and I went.
Aaron
00:11:30 – 00:11:51
So, yeah, this will be the first in the direct family of either side to go live at college. I believe there's, like, cousins who have and stuff, but none of the parents or grandparents or anybody like that lived at college. So that'll be fun and new and exciting. We'll see how that goes. So that's why we got a couple couple months there.
Aaron
00:11:51 – 00:11:57
So hopefully that go that's our next big on the calendar. Bring the kids to school. See how
Ian
00:11:57 – 00:12:01
that goes. You're gonna have 2 kids in the house and not 3.
Aaron
00:12:01 – 00:12:02
It's gonna be crazy.
Ian
00:12:02 – 00:12:06
I've only ever known increasing children in the house, not decreasing. That's crazy.
Aaron
00:12:07 – 00:12:08
Decrease eventually. Yeah.
Ian
00:12:08 – 00:12:09
That's amazing.
Aaron
00:12:09 – 00:12:26
It's gonna be interesting too because, yeah, that's gonna really change the dynamic. I don't know. And they all have 3 have very different personalities. So, like, his personality not being there will be just a change. And then the other 2 are more kind of into doing kind of activities and things like structured activities.
Aaron
00:12:26 – 00:12:34
So, like, I don't know. How does that change things? I'm not sure. Like, I don't know. We'll we'll be 4 people when we go places, which will be unbelievable.
Aaron
00:12:35 – 00:12:36
I'm so That's
Ian
00:12:36 – 00:12:39
gonna be awesome. Society is built for families of 4.
Aaron
00:12:39 – 00:12:50
A 100%. This is why everybody's out there complaining there's not enough kids. The society is like, if you have more than 4 people in your family, we don't want you. Don't come into our restaurant. Don't come to our theme park.
Aaron
00:12:50 – 00:12:56
Don't get anywhere. Yep. Don't get an Uber. You can't get an Uber. You can't do anything with more than 4 people.
Ian
00:12:57 – 00:12:58
So you can't do anything.
Aaron
00:12:58 – 00:13:01
That's going to be quite the revelation for.
Ian
00:13:01 – 00:13:19
I don't even know. 8 months a year. As a family now because you have to have we I think you have to have 2 adults in a row. Like, you can't have because of the oxygen masks and the responsible parties, like, there have to be a certain number of adults to kids. And I think we're too many kids.
Ian
00:13:19 – 00:13:30
Really? Too many too many kids that are too young. Yeah. Yeah. Because when we flew when we flew with the babies, we couldn't just sit like, you know, me and 2 babies in a row.
Ian
00:13:30 – 00:13:34
It had to be like I sat with 1 baby and Jennifer sat with 1 baby.
Aaron
00:13:34 – 00:13:39
Really? I wonder if you could be baby human baby baby Babies are
Ian
00:13:39 – 00:13:40
humans, Ian. Yeah.
Aaron
00:13:40 – 00:13:47
You know what I'm saying, though. I I use that term on purpose. But if they had a baby on each side of the adult
Ian
00:13:48 – 00:13:48
Yeah. Then
Aaron
00:13:48 – 00:13:49
maybe that is sufficient?
Ian
00:13:49 – 00:14:06
I don't think so. Wow. I think it was and it could have been under the age of 2, and so now that ours are 3, might they might be okay. But it was I specifically remember Jennifer and I had to book seats on different sides of the aisle so that one could hold 1 baby and one could hold the other. Wow.
Aaron
00:14:06 – 00:14:13
Yeah. Yeah. Flying those same thing. It's like, oh, you can sit together in the middle thing with 4, but then when you go to 5, you can't.
Ian
00:14:13 – 00:14:14
Who's gonna
Aaron
00:14:14 – 00:14:18
get ejected to the other side or in front or whatever?
Ian
00:14:18 – 00:14:23
Roller coasters, pairs of 2. Roller coasters. Kid left out.
Aaron
00:14:23 – 00:14:34
Yeah. Normally means, like, multiple people are left out because this ends up being like, well, just 2 people go and forget it. Like, so yeah. Yeah. You guys are in real rough shape there because it's like, what Real.
Aaron
00:14:34 – 00:14:38
You're gonna have 3, which is a weird number too a lot of times. So, like
Ian
00:14:39 – 00:14:56
And you know what? This graduation stuff, it might it might hit us like a brick wall because it there is a possibility. I don't know this for sure. There's a possibility that our older 2 kids start school. Like, they get held back, basically, because their birthdays are in May.
Ian
00:14:57 – 00:15:12
So that's kind of right on the bubble. Do we hold them back or do we start them? We'll probably hold them back at this rate, which which means we could have 4 kids that are 1 grade apart, which means we're
Aaron
00:15:12 – 00:15:12
gonna go from
Ian
00:15:12 – 00:15:16
4 kids in the house to 0 kids in the house like that.
Aaron
00:15:16 – 00:15:17
That's crazy.
Ian
00:15:17 – 00:15:19
It's gonna be the a blink of an eye.
Aaron
00:15:19 – 00:15:20
To be honest, it's gonna be a
Ian
00:15:20 – 00:15:25
0 kids in the house, and I think it's gonna hit us. It's gonna hit us pretty hard.
Aaron
00:15:25 – 00:15:38
Yeah. That might be a little tight, but I also think this stretching it out because, like, once you get the first one done, it's like, okay. Like, first one's out of out of high school Yeah. When they're out of the house. And it's like, oh, but there's 7 more years to go.
Aaron
00:15:38 – 00:15:40
Mhmm. So, like, it's not really like
Ian
00:15:40 – 00:15:41
Yep.
Aaron
00:15:41 – 00:16:00
You could totally change it. We're not moving or, like, whatever. Like, it's like, we can't blow up our life and do a bunch of different stuff yet either. So it's like, well, we thought to get these other 2 out. So that's, like, a very stretched out process, whereas you're gonna suffer a lot of pain all along the way because you have this such incredible number over basically all the same age.
Ian
00:16:00 – 00:16:02
Such an incredible number.
Aaron
00:16:02 – 00:16:10
Then when they all leave, that will be kinda nice because you'll be able to be like, boom. We can, like we wanna move into Vegas. We wanna do whatever. We wanna go
Ian
00:16:11 – 00:16:16
whatever we wanna do. But it's not gonna be Vegas. Let's see. And north. I'm gonna go up north for sure.
Ian
00:16:17 – 00:16:27
In 18 years, I will be 53 years old. Yep. So 53 with 0 kids in the house. That's gonna be wild.
Aaron
00:16:28 – 00:16:35
Yeah. That's about what I'll be 54, I guess, when when the baby leaves. So pretty similar, I guess.
Ian
00:16:35 – 00:16:37
Okay. You'll have to let me know how it is.
Aaron
00:16:37 – 00:16:43
Yeah. We'll see. I don't know. It's it's gonna be, yeah. I I don't know.
Aaron
00:16:43 – 00:17:11
We'll see. It's gonna be nice to both. So the other problem we've always had in the world not built for this many kids is all the kids for various reasons too complicated to get into right now have often been in either different schools or different parts of the same school with different schedules and different things going on Yes. Which is its own crazy nightmare. And now one, so in addition to one kid leaving and kind of change the dynamic there, both kids are at the same school with the same schedule.
Aaron
00:17:12 – 00:17:27
The other 2. So now is like gonna really open up a day and they're required to stay till 5 most of the year for they have to play sports, basically. And so now that does actually open up the day a lot more. It's like 8 to 5. Kids are out of the house during the school year.
Aaron
00:17:27 – 00:17:42
They're on the same schedule for vacations and things. The oldest one's just doing his old his own thing, but he's old. So whatever he'll float back in and, you know, when he has breaks or whatever. But, yeah. So it's gonna be quite a different dynamic shift once we get to the fall.
Aaron
00:17:42 – 00:17:48
We'll see, we'll see how it goes, but there is some that that part's gonna be a nice little life change there.
Ian
00:17:48 – 00:17:56
Well, somehow, in all of this hustle and bustle, you've still found time to pick fights on Twitter with the JS boys. You gotta be kidding me.
Aaron
00:17:56 – 00:17:57
I feel like you.
Ian
00:17:57 – 00:18:02
You're you're you have come alive. You're just you're poking the beast. What's going on over there?
Aaron
00:18:03 – 00:18:16
Well, let me not I think like this. The tweet we have listed here was actually before it was it was somewhat before the, somewhat before the graduation time, but I don't know. I mean
Ian
00:18:16 – 00:18:19
I feel like you've been super spicy to it. Yeah.
Aaron
00:18:19 – 00:18:29
I have been a little spicy. Because okay. So here's my main thing that it's hard to convey on Twitter. Right? It's like and I do think there is some some of these j s guys are just bad.
Aaron
00:18:30 – 00:18:49
That's just it, and that's fine. Some of them, I think, are just, like, I don't think, like, I think Dax and Adam are great guys and stuff like that. Adam's not even the j s guy, I don't think. But, like, so that side of the world, I think, gets it. But to me, I just feel like I only care about software because I care about building things.
Aaron
00:18:49 – 00:19:00
Right? Yes. And the the software is a means to an end. Correct. And that end might be helping people, that end might be making money, that end might be providing them.
Aaron
00:19:00 – 00:19:12
Whatever the end goal you have, it requires building the software to accomplish a goal. What does it feel like in the JavaScript world? There's a lot of people just build the software to build software, to talk about building software, or to be cool on Twitter.
Ian
00:19:12 – 00:19:14
Build more software. Yeah.
Aaron
00:19:14 – 00:19:45
Yeah. And so they're not, like, they don't really have a strong understanding of, like, what most of the rest of the software world is trying to do, which is to build something for a reason that has an end goal beyond the software in and of itself. Like they're not actually trying to build software just to build software because building software is fun. Although that is part of it, and I have fun building software, but that's not my only goal in building software. So I think this is where most of my the angst comes from.
Aaron
00:19:45 – 00:20:07
And when I try to point out things that are more logical and how business people and people who build software for the most part, think about it. You know, that's a very different than somebody who doesn't think that way and just wants to, like, post cool memes on Twitter and get a bunch of reactions. Mhmm. So, yeah, I don't know. I don't know.
Aaron
00:20:07 – 00:20:08
So the treat deeper.
Ian
00:20:08 – 00:20:17
One of the treats you sent was that, you've had a customer for 9 teen years. Yeah. 19 years.
Aaron
00:20:18 – 00:20:24
We should yeah. This is a good tweet to talk about because, like, this one, it's not even totally at the JS guides. Right? But it is a little bit of a it's a little bit of a sideswipe.
Ian
00:20:24 – 00:20:31
It was on theme. It was a little bit of Ian's. It was a little bit of Ian's. Like, I'm a serious business person. I'm glad you're out here.
Aaron
00:20:31 – 00:20:44
Like, this is cool. Let's let's spend a week talking about the 3 millisecond difference from, you know, when you VPN to Guam and back and whatever. And it's like, like, okay. We could talk about that. Okay.
Aaron
00:20:44 – 00:20:47
Before we talk this tweet, what's your take on this? Because here's another thing.
Ian
00:20:47 – 00:20:47
Oh, yeah. Here we
Aaron
00:20:47 – 00:20:58
go. This has bothered me in this whole JavaScript thing. K. I'm assuming everybody's up to speed because we did talk about it with Taylor last week too. But it's like, you're testing over 3 g.
Aaron
00:20:58 – 00:21:03
Right? K. And I feel like, again, this is like an area of, like, there's just a lack of real world experience because
Ian
00:21:03 – 00:21:03
k.
Aaron
00:21:04 – 00:21:12
I've used 3 g networks. Like, I was there when they came up. Right? It's like, oh, 3 g. And all everybody's thinking about the 3 g, like, okay.
Aaron
00:21:12 – 00:21:25
Well, what about the people with slow connections? Which where most of your customers are isn't even a factor. But let's just say it is. Let's just say you really wanna make sure everybody has great experience even if they're in the ultra rural area, whatever. And maybe I'm just thinking about this wrong, but the way I
Ian
00:21:25 – 00:21:29
think about it, you gotta hit me. What's, like, here's what I wanna I wanna offer my take.
Aaron
00:21:29 – 00:21:38
Here's how I think about 3 g. The problem with 3 g is not not just that it's slow. K?
Ian
00:21:38 – 00:21:39
Mhmm.
Aaron
00:21:39 – 00:21:49
But that it is unreliable. It has worse HTTP connections. It drops the network more often. Mhmm. HTTP requests fail more often.
Aaron
00:21:49 – 00:22:10
K. So testing 3 g over your fiber connection 20% of the time, like your, the 20% of the time, like your, the request is just gonna straight fail. Yeah. And what happens then? And so are you actually properly testing your optimistic UI?
Aaron
00:22:10 – 00:22:21
Because you're testing it like it will complete eventually. But my theory is it's not going to ever complete. There's things that will never complete. So what happens when it never completes? How does it retry and blah blah?
Aaron
00:22:21 – 00:22:32
And maybe their stocks handle all that. I don't know. But the Chrome tools do not simulate that as far as I can tell. Like, I dug around a little bit on this. They don't simulate straight failure.
Aaron
00:22:32 – 00:22:53
Like, you can just make it slow and whatever, but that's not the same as failing. And it's gonna fail a lot because that's what it does. So even that whole thing is insane because they're not testing the worst part. And in that and to me, it's like then I don't want optimistic if it's going fail half the time. Like, I wanted to know for sure it's saved, not guess that it's saved.
Aaron
00:22:54 – 00:22:56
But, anyway, what do you I don't know. What do you think? Maybe I'm wrong.
Ian
00:22:56 – 00:23:00
No. I wondered I wondered if it was ever gonna come around to what do you think about it?
Aaron
00:23:00 – 00:23:03
If Yeah. No. I gotta get it on my chest.
Ian
00:23:04 – 00:23:08
Like, hey, What's your take on this? And then you're gonna just give me the whole take.
Aaron
00:23:08 – 00:23:09
I gotta
Ian
00:23:09 – 00:23:19
give you my take. I don't know. I think testing on 3 g is silly. I didn't ever I actually never thought about the unreliability and the false test.
Aaron
00:23:19 – 00:23:19
No, but
Ian
00:23:19 – 00:23:32
it does. Chrome dev tools would be. Yeah. I don't know. I just I I don't know if it makes me a bad developer, but I just don't care about optimistic UI.
Ian
00:23:32 – 00:23:55
And I know that Okay. I know that people right now, I know that Sam Selakoff, hi, Sam, is listening because he's DM ed me about Optimistic UI before, and I'm like, I just don't it's just not like my world. And I I actually talked on the phone to Ryan Florence last week, and I was like, I just I just yeah. Breaking news. I just don't care about optimistic UI.
Ian
00:23:55 – 00:24:09
That's just not my world. I just don't think it's that big of a deal. Like, I'm fine when I click the save button if the little save button turns into a little spinner until it's committed on the back end, and then it says, great. You're good to go now. Like, that's okay with me.
Ian
00:24:10 – 00:24:24
So I don't think about the 3 g unreliability because I don't think about optimistic UI because I don't super care about it, which is not to say that it's bad or wrong. I just don't care about it, and I think that's I think that's where people get hung up. It's like
Aaron
00:24:25 – 00:24:25
Yeah.
Ian
00:24:26 – 00:24:30
When I say I don't super care about it, they're like, you need to care about it.
Aaron
00:24:30 – 00:24:31
I care. So bizarre.
Ian
00:24:31 – 00:24:45
And I'm like, right. That's that's great. I'm happy that you care about it. I care about other things that a lot of people don't care about. I care about, like, database schemas and stuff, and I don't I don't really like, I don't belittle or berate people that don't care about it.
Ian
00:24:45 – 00:24:50
It's just like, that's the world that I live in. So yeah. But I
Aaron
00:24:50 – 00:25:14
mean, I think Levels had a tweet on this the other day, which Levels had some of his own weird stuff going on. But he's like, you know, basically, all of his customers are in America is the shorthand version of it. And it's like, yes. This is the reality. Like, I don't really see the upside, especially if you're bootstrapping or in any way have limited funding, like, yeah, if you, again, if you have a $100,000,000 that you raised, yeah, whatever, do whatever you want.
Aaron
00:25:14 – 00:25:35
But, like, you're unlimited amount of money. Like you can't be spending your time optimizing for these really crazy esoteric scenarios. Yeah. When you know, Like if you're still a b2b app and everybody's sitting in an office or sitting in their house with high speed internet Like you don't need to optimize for the crazy slow connections. Like And again, I think this came up when I was beefing with Twitter guys.
Aaron
00:25:35 – 00:26:01
Like, in 20 years, I've literally never, never had a customer say it's too slow. You know, HubSpot's too slow in, in the sense of these things they're talking about, like a modal or a save button that takes a fraction of a second or any of these things. Like Yeah. There's definitely been speed issues on big accounts where they have a lot of data or whatever, like database type stuff. Database issues.
Aaron
00:26:01 – 00:26:10
And we fix those or whatever. But, like, not just like, oh, this model takes a fraction of a second. It's super annoying me. Like, what can you guys fix this? Like, literally never had that kind of feature request ever once.
Aaron
00:26:10 – 00:26:23
And so Yep. It's like, how valuable could it possibly be, especially I mean, we've all used tons of React apps now, Livewire apps. Like, they're very fast. Like, they're sending their minimal amount of data over the wire. Like, they're very fast.
Aaron
00:26:23 – 00:26:41
Like, so even on slower connections, they're still very fast. So, again, unless you have to contrive a really extreme scenario, to make it be unreasonably slow. So, yeah, I don't know. But we had this, I, this, so this tweet I had, I thought it was cool. A couple things about this tweet.
Aaron
00:26:41 – 00:26:52
This is the first tweet I've ever had that went like super viral I've never had in Twitter like the crazy viral tweet that got to like a 1000000 views or whatever I don't know how many views Yeah. 100 and 100 of 1000 or 1000000 views. I had
Ian
00:26:52 – 00:26:53
a look at it.
Aaron
00:26:53 – 00:27:08
Yeah. Keep going. Well, yeah, the tweet was just that, like, it wasn't just that I've had one customer 19 years because we have a number of those, but the very first customer who ever paid for HubSpot is still a customer today and has paid every year crazy. Over 19 years.
Ian
00:27:08 – 00:27:12
And Dude, just 515,000 impressions.
Aaron
00:27:12 – 00:27:22
15,000. Yeah. That's wild. It is crazy. And then you could see why people get addicted to this because I was like, oh, I picked up, like, 400 followers, like, out of nowhere.
Aaron
00:27:23 – 00:27:25
And this is why people are supposed to be
Ian
00:27:26 – 00:27:27
Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.
Aaron
00:27:28 – 00:27:39
I can see why people are like, well, let's just fight with people all day because that's what gets people to, the tweet to go viral, and the algorithm, and then I get more followers. Right? So I get it. Resist.
Ian
00:27:40 – 00:27:41
You must resist.
Aaron
00:27:41 – 00:27:50
I'm resisting. But I think this is a positive tweet. Right? Like, yeah. If you're full in-depth on everything, it's like, you might see a little bit of a half sideswipe that it is, but in and of
Ian
00:27:50 – 00:27:51
itself, it's
Aaron
00:27:51 – 00:27:55
like, hey, like, go out there, build shit, do stuff as Aaron Francis says.
Ian
00:27:55 – 00:27:56
Amazing. That's a good tip. Yeah.
Aaron
00:27:57 – 00:28:21
And then, you know, sometimes things happen. Like if you pick a, you know, a guy would go b to b, like, this is the beauty b to b. Like, it's hard to get a consumer to pay you for 19 years. Like, but business like they could pay you forever and here's the weird thing about Twitter the number of people who replied that this was my mom like specifically that this was my mom Who is like got to be 20 people reply to this tweet with that. Yeah.
Aaron
00:28:21 – 00:28:25
I was like, this is such a bizarre thing. Why is everybody saying it's my mom?
Ian
00:28:26 – 00:28:27
It makes no sense.
Aaron
00:28:27 – 00:28:32
It makes no sense. You wanna say I left my credit card in there as a test. Okay. Whatever. Lame joke.
Aaron
00:28:32 – 00:28:35
Man. But, like, that's my mom. I don't know. It's very weird.
Ian
00:28:35 – 00:28:41
I people on Twitter as a as a whole are just not that funny.
Aaron
00:28:41 – 00:28:42
They're not. No. They're not funny.
Ian
00:28:42 – 00:29:05
Just not that funny. I feel and maybe it's representative of, like, the population, but I feel like 10%, maybe 5% of people on Twitter are funny. And the other 90 or 95 are just, like, repeating the same jokes that they've heard elsewhere or, like, the same bits forever and ever and ever. And this is a great this is a great example of that.
Aaron
00:29:05 – 00:29:06
Like,
Ian
00:29:06 – 00:29:11
that's not even I don't know if that's an insult or a joke, but either way, it's that's not a good either. Yeah.
Aaron
00:29:11 – 00:29:12
It's not a good either.
Ian
00:29:12 – 00:29:15
Which which whichever one, it's bad. Yeah.
Aaron
00:29:15 – 00:29:24
Yeah. I don't know. And I was like, maybe this is I'm too old. Maybe this is, like, a whole thing that I missed that, like, your mom buys your product for 19 years or something. I don't know.
Ian
00:29:25 – 00:29:27
Yeah. Well, your mom buys your software. Like
Aaron
00:29:28 – 00:29:43
And then a lot of people thought it was consumer software. And I'm like, dude, it's like a $600 purchase every year for 19 years. Like, what consumer software is that? Like, the all consumer software is like a dollar now or free or whatever. It's like but anyway no.
Aaron
00:29:43 – 00:29:46
No. No. That was cool. Like, literally the first customer we ever had.
Ian
00:29:46 – 00:29:47
That's pretty cool.
Aaron
00:29:47 – 00:30:02
I went through some other ones, like not many of the other, like, very first customers are still customers, which, you know, to be expected, but the very first one's still a customer. So it's really cool. It's like, yeah. It's like how these things build up, you know, 19 times 600, pretty good chunk of change
Ian
00:30:02 – 00:30:03
and Pretty good.
Aaron
00:30:03 – 00:30:11
Just adds up. You get a handful of these and it's workable workable for a small team. Yeah. So I don't know. That was cool.
Aaron
00:30:11 – 00:30:15
It's like one of those, like, things maybe maybe somebody will get some inspiration from it. Who knows?
Ian
00:30:15 – 00:30:18
Yeah. Very cool. Good tweet. Great tweet.
Aaron
00:30:18 – 00:30:21
Good tweet. Good tweet. People love the visuals. It's good. I think that was a
Ian
00:30:21 – 00:30:22
lot of the the visuals.
Aaron
00:30:22 – 00:30:28
Yeah. It's like, here is a list of, like, all 19 transactions and Yep. All that stuff. Yep. People are trying it's going to be good.
Ian
00:30:28 – 00:30:35
That helps. People are chiming in that it was it's going to be good. That helps.
Aaron
00:30:36 – 00:30:43
People were chiming in that it was ID number 1. We're using you IDs. Yeah. No, you IDs. Sorry.
Ian
00:30:43 – 00:30:49
Nope. Nope. Just let me just calculate the number of customers you have based on the spacing of your invoices. Yep. Yep.
Aaron
00:30:50 – 00:30:52
Giving away all the, all the.
Ian
00:30:52 – 00:30:52
Yep. Yep.
Aaron
00:30:52 – 00:31:21
That would, would actually be a little bit harder. Interestingly, because like the way it worked up until like 10 years ago is since it was a owned license, like people would actually have more than 1 transaction a year. Because like if they they would add licenses or they pay support and there there were just more transactions. But now that subscription, most customers are, like, just once a year. But, so in the in the later years, that that would be pretty accurate, ish, anyway.
Aaron
00:31:21 – 00:31:23
Alright. What else is going on? So you got the big move.
Ian
00:31:24 – 00:31:25
Got the big move.
Aaron
00:31:26 – 00:31:26
Man.
Ian
00:31:26 – 00:31:31
Boy, that was that was bad. It was pretty bad.
Aaron
00:31:31 – 00:31:32
It's still bad? I'm not
Ian
00:31:32 – 00:31:39
I'm not gonna lie. It's still kinda bad. Yeah. A little I mean, it's getting it's getting better. Every day, it's getting better.
Ian
00:31:41 – 00:32:09
So, you know, we had the big move scheduled for, like, a Monday, maybe 2 weeks ago or something like that. And then a freak storm came through Dallas, just like massive storm, huge number of branches down all over the city. And so the move got pushed from, like, Monday to Tuesday because the new house didn't have power. So it's like, well, shoot, we're going to go move into this house that has no power.
Aaron
00:32:09 – 00:32:11
That's not going to work. Yeah.
Ian
00:32:11 – 00:32:49
So at this point, Jennifer and, the au pair Jasmine and all 4 kids are at Jennifer's parents' house because it was like, we're gonna move the next day, and the kids need somewhere to sleep and be normal, and so they're already at Jennifer's parents' house. Then we lose power at the new house. And so Jennifer and Jasmine and the kids end up staying at her parents' house for, like, a full week because of all the stuff that I'm about to explain that's gone terribly wrong. Right. Not only that, Jennifer's sister and, you know, my sister-in-law and brother-in-law, all their kids, they lost power too.
Ian
00:32:49 – 00:33:04
So they're at Jennifer's parents house. And so Jennifer's parents yeah. It's crazy. So we, you know, we live in a city that or a a state that is given to high winds and tornadoes, and all of our power lines are up in the air next to the trees. It's like very bad.
Ian
00:33:04 – 00:33:11
Too late now. So Jennifer's parents are basically running a summer camp at this point. Right. We've got, like, a 1000000 kids over there. Wow.
Ian
00:33:11 – 00:33:12
There's No.
Aaron
00:33:12 – 00:33:15
The other the sister in law's kids that everybody are over there.
Ian
00:33:15 – 00:33:23
Oh, yeah. Okay. Wow. At least at least 8 kids there because it's 44. And then the other sister and her kids came over a few days.
Ian
00:33:23 – 00:33:42
So at some points, it was 10 children over there. Oh, cow. And they they're the best. They just love it, and they're so good at being grandparents. But, anyway so, you know, we put off we put off the move for one day, then the, you know, the power comes back on, but only half of the new house has power.
Ian
00:33:42 – 00:33:44
Well, that's not good. Half. Random.
Aaron
00:33:44 – 00:33:46
So weird. Weird. Yeah.
Ian
00:33:46 – 00:33:58
So at this point, I'm like, okay. Well, we can't put off the move anymore. Like, we've scheduled movers. So they come and they move everything. We move into the new house and it's hot and muggy because, like, the AC is not working.
Ian
00:33:59 – 00:34:21
And so I'm in there trying to, like, unpack as fast as I can and get stuff like a semblance of normalcy. And it's just miserable and muggy because half of the house that was off was the AC as well. So I'm, like, half of the power off and half the power on doesn't seem very that seems like unsafe. Blown up. Something's wrong.
Ian
00:34:21 – 00:34:35
Yeah. So I go out in the yard, and sure enough, there's a branch on the line between the pole and the house. And apparently, we had 2 lines coming into the house and one was taken out. And so Oh, jeez. There goes the AC.
Ian
00:34:35 – 00:34:42
So I'm like, f. Alright. Well, let's get this done. We get it we get it fixed, fortunately. And this is, like, over the course of many, many days.
Ian
00:34:42 – 00:34:56
Right? So I'm like I'm like sleeping in the rent house on the floor because they've already moved to the bed. Right. But I can't go sleep at the new house because there's no AC. And Jennifer's parents' house is full.
Ian
00:34:56 – 00:35:12
I'm not about to go over there where it's chaos. So I'm sleeping on the floor in the rent house for a couple of days. They fix the power, then it all comes back on, and the AC the upstairs AC doesn't work. Just doesn't work. And so now the kids are at the house.
Ian
00:35:12 – 00:35:14
I've got portable AC units in the kids' room.
Aaron
00:35:15 – 00:35:15
My god.
Ian
00:35:15 – 00:35:16
Yeah. And You
Aaron
00:35:16 – 00:35:17
check the breakers. You check all that stuff. It was nothing obvious. Okay. Nothing obvious.
Aaron
00:35:17 – 00:35:20
The stuff. It was nothing obvious. Okay.
Ian
00:35:20 – 00:35:25
Nothing obvious. The contractor's like, hey. We checked it. You're gonna have to replace the unit. And I'm like, f that.
Ian
00:35:25 – 00:35:32
I'm not doing that. So I called out 2 AC companies, and they're both like, hey. It's broken. You're gonna have to replace the unit. Both of them said that.
Ian
00:35:32 – 00:35:36
I was like, god dang it. So then we had to replace a full AC unit. Oh. Just like
Aaron
00:35:37 – 00:35:37
Oh my gosh.
Ian
00:35:37 – 00:35:39
Just the whole thing. Brand new.
Aaron
00:35:39 – 00:35:41
Got, like, 7000, 8000?
Ian
00:35:41 – 00:35:50
Fortunately, no. That's what both AC companies quoted me, but the contractor did it for 25100, which Oh, wow. Is still a poke in the eye, but it's better than $7,000.
Aaron
00:35:51 – 00:35:51
Okay.
Ian
00:35:52 – 00:36:05
And then, you know, they're there fixing the electrical, and they're like, oh, by the way, the the wire from the, the roof down to your breaker isn't rated for the load that it's under. And I'm like, okay. That's, you know, that's bad. Is that a fire hazard? They're like, yeah.
Ian
00:36:05 – 00:36:15
It's a fire hazard. I'm like, great. So today, today, they're at the house. The power's off at the house, and they're replacing wires at the house again. I'm like, what?
Ian
00:36:15 – 00:36:24
How long is this gonna last? And, you know, they're over there fixing the floors because they didn't do it right the first time. Like, guys, I don't care. Everyone just get out of my house.
Aaron
00:36:25 – 00:36:27
Yeah. That's like they've been there for 8 months. Like, you guys didn't know
Ian
00:36:27 – 00:36:28
that. Been there for 8 months.
Aaron
00:36:28 – 00:36:28
Like, what have
Ian
00:36:28 – 00:36:28
you been doing?
Aaron
00:36:28 – 00:36:30
Yeah. How did you not know this? So, yeah,
Ian
00:36:30 – 00:36:45
it's it's been pretty bad and pretty frustrating, but we're moved in. Things are starting to get a little bit better, but it's been it's been kind of brutal, and I never wanna do it again.
Aaron
00:36:47 – 00:36:47
Yeah.
Ian
00:36:47 – 00:36:48
Right?
Aaron
00:36:49 – 00:37:06
I don't like the sound of any of that. Like, we do have some of that stuff in our house, like, just nothing that major, but, like, every year, basically, a mouse gets into the air conditioning condenser unit and shorts something. The guy comes every year. So this year, I'm like, dude, like, is there something I can do? Because, like he's like, no.
Aaron
00:37:06 – 00:37:14
I could just come fix every time. I was like, you know, but, like, the mice frying electronics inside the air conditioning unit doesn't seem optimal for anything involved here.
Ian
00:37:14 – 00:37:15
Yes. Not a peanut butter
Aaron
00:37:15 – 00:37:16
in your AC unit.
Ian
00:37:16 – 00:37:18
So they keep climbing in there to eat it.
Aaron
00:37:18 – 00:37:27
Oh my gosh. It's amazing where mice can get into. But, yeah, our fridge has this, like well, the fridge guy's coming today because, like, the seal seems like maybe it's gone. It's getting
Ian
00:37:28 – 00:37:30
It's a scam. Wanna be Homeownership is a scam.
Aaron
00:37:30 – 00:37:31
Oh my gosh.
Ian
00:37:31 – 00:37:32
Renting renting
Aaron
00:37:32 – 00:37:32
I feel
Ian
00:37:32 – 00:37:49
I I will say renting, I never felt super at ease because I felt like the landlord at any moment could be like, hey. We're moving back from, you know, wherever they were. I think, I don't know, they were on some they work for PepsiCo, and they were out of the country. And I just felt like at any moment, they could say, you're out of a house. Good luck.
Ian
00:37:49 – 00:37:57
You've got 60 days. And that that made me extremely nervous, but owning a home is is like it's just a money pit. It's just It
Aaron
00:37:57 – 00:37:57
really is.
Ian
00:37:57 – 00:38:02
Continue to pay money down the drain. So So so
Aaron
00:38:02 – 00:38:03
how are the kids doing in the new house?
Ian
00:38:04 – 00:38:17
Kids are doing okay. Big kids are crying a lot because it's like new house, new noises. You know, there's house sounds. Every house has sounds, and this house has sounds. And they're they're doing okay, but there's a swing in the front yard.
Ian
00:38:17 – 00:38:27
They really like the new swing. So, you know, we spent untold amounts of money on a house, and they're like, we love the swing. It's like, great. That's awesome. Enjoy the swing.
Ian
00:38:29 – 00:38:36
But, yeah, they're doing great. Little kids are fine. They don't understand anything because they're babies. So, yeah, it's it's going. It's going okay.
Ian
00:38:36 – 00:38:43
I will say I've discovered, there are some hot rooms and some cold rooms in the house, right?
Aaron
00:38:43 – 00:38:44
Okay. A little
Ian
00:38:44 – 00:38:58
bit a little bit uneven. It's kind of a little bit older house, so it's not maybe like the most, you know, ego, not ego, eco friendly. Right. And so here's the here's the situation. And I think I found a cool solution.
Ian
00:38:59 – 00:39:10
You know, some rooms get blasted with AC and some just get the trickle. And so, like, our bedroom is quite warm and, like, the living room is quite cold. It's like, oh, that's kind of frustrating. Right? Yep.
Ian
00:39:11 – 00:39:12
So here's what I looked up.
Aaron
00:39:12 – 00:39:13
Okay.
Ian
00:39:13 – 00:39:35
You know, we've got the smart thermostats, but what good is that? Right? Because it's like you just set the temperature and it cools the whole downstairs to some arbitrary temperature that's close. The solution is smart vents. So, you know, you know, the little the little vents that come out of the wall and you can, like, have a little damper on it and you can close it if it's blowing too hard or something.
Ian
00:39:35 – 00:39:47
There are such thing as smart vents where where they are, they're electronic. So what you can do is you put these smart vents in all the rooms.
Aaron
00:39:47 – 00:39:47
Mhmm.
Ian
00:39:47 – 00:40:17
And then you also have to put a little corresponding, like, it's a puck, but it's like a therm not a thermostat, a thermometer so that you know how cold or hot each room is. Yep. And then what it does is, it interfaces with your smart thermostat. So it's like it will tell the the main thermostat, hey, turn on the air. And then in all the cold rooms, it closes the vents, and it just pumps air into the hot room until that room levels out.
Ian
00:40:17 – 00:40:34
And then it, you know, then it's just opening and closing the dampers all over the house while controlling the main thermostat to keep the air moving. And I'm like, this is great. I this is this is the exact thing that I need. So I'm gonna buy a whole set of these, and I'll I'll report back to tell you. You don't like it?
Ian
00:40:34 – 00:40:36
You're giving me a wince. What do you what do
Aaron
00:40:36 – 00:40:41
you think? I don't love it. What do you think? This is great. I mean, first of all, you're gonna need electrician all over the place.
Ian
00:40:41 – 00:40:43
No. No. No. No. They're batteries.
Ian
00:40:43 – 00:40:44
They're batteries.
Aaron
00:40:44 – 00:40:45
Battery? That's even worse.
Ian
00:40:45 – 00:40:46
No. That's even better.
Aaron
00:40:46 – 00:40:49
No. You gotta have 5. You're replacing batteries. Alright. No.
Aaron
00:40:49 – 00:40:52
No. No. Can I give you an alternate solution?
Ian
00:40:52 – 00:40:54
I won't like it. Yeah.
Aaron
00:40:54 – 00:40:56
Done myself this solution, and it does work.
Ian
00:40:56 – 00:40:58
Sure. Okay.
Aaron
00:40:58 – 00:41:01
A little it's a little more simple. It's a little more straightforward.
Ian
00:41:01 – 00:41:02
I hate it already. Okay.
Aaron
00:41:02 – 00:41:04
I know you want all your you want
Ian
00:41:04 – 00:41:07
a one of 50 I wanna but mechanical
Aaron
00:41:07 – 00:41:11
battery replacement required little flapper. Forget it.
Ian
00:41:11 – 00:41:14
And I want new apps, and I want things talking to each other. Okay.
Aaron
00:41:14 – 00:41:18
Stuff. Yeah. So when this company goes out of business in 3 years and the app They're
Ian
00:41:18 – 00:41:18
gonna be all brick
Aaron
00:41:18 – 00:41:19
and it'll
Ian
00:41:19 – 00:41:20
be furious. Yeah.
Aaron
00:41:20 – 00:41:24
They're gonna be very pumpy. Mhmm. Here's an alternative you could consider.
Ian
00:41:25 – 00:41:25
Okay.
Aaron
00:41:25 – 00:41:26
We did this at our house.
Ian
00:41:26 – 00:41:27
Okay.
Aaron
00:41:27 – 00:41:31
Got it. So you have the thermostat. It says, Hey, pump cold air. Right? And then
Ian
00:41:31 – 00:41:33
it's like, so so far.
Aaron
00:41:33 – 00:41:51
Pumps all the cold air, but some rooms get more than others. It's crappy. What you can do is you could put a baffle into the actual air conduits and make it makes a junction. Mhmm. And then that does like what you're saying, but it just does it in one spot.
Aaron
00:41:51 – 00:42:01
And so, like, when the one room gets colded up, the baffle will close in there, and then all the air will continue to go to the other rooms, and that'll be
Ian
00:42:01 – 00:42:07
it. Just one spot. Describing. What is what is different? You're just using this word baffle that no one has ever heard of.
Ian
00:42:07 – 00:42:09
No. In the air duct. So the
Aaron
00:42:09 – 00:42:13
air duct is a big pipe that comes out of the air. I don't
Ian
00:42:13 – 00:42:15
know what an air duct is. I know it's a big pipe.
Aaron
00:42:16 – 00:42:29
At the air duct, you have one of these bath you only need 1 or maybe you would need 2, but, you know, or one for each level or whatever. And you don't have to have 50 of them. Yeah. Well, I don't have All the vents.
Ian
00:42:29 – 00:42:40
Rooms, and you're telling me I gotta go get of rooms. I got a lot of rooms. Thank you. I appreciate it. And then you're telling me you're telling me instead I gotta go get into the AC, the
Aaron
00:42:40 – 00:42:43
the Yeah. That's the heater. I'll do this. No. You shouldn't do it.
Ian
00:42:43 – 00:42:45
No. I can do this myself.
Aaron
00:42:45 – 00:42:47
You shouldn't do any of it. Let's just be clear.
Ian
00:42:47 – 00:42:50
I should do all of it. So wait. Here's the question.
Aaron
00:42:50 – 00:42:56
How many of these are you gonna need, like, literally 30 of these baffle? These vent mechanical vent things, aren't you?
Ian
00:42:56 – 00:43:00
I need, like, 6 or 7 for downstairs. I'm gonna try it.
Aaron
00:43:00 – 00:43:01
Okay. Just for downstairs.
Ian
00:43:01 – 00:43:04
Yeah. Well, who's controlling the baffle?
Aaron
00:43:04 – 00:43:22
Also, I will say I've tried this thing before too by now I don't know if these close more tightly, but in the regular type that you probably have on there now, you know, you can do it manually. Right? Like, and I don't know. I played that game with closing them off manually and enough seeps through that. It's still, it doesn't, it doesn't really stop the air.
Aaron
00:43:22 – 00:43:28
It's not a seal. It's just like a directional thing, really more than a seal. These are maybe seals.
Ian
00:43:28 – 00:43:31
Okay. Yeah. They're they're seals. Yeah.
Aaron
00:43:31 – 00:43:35
All right. So that might be better, but I don't know. This is what you described
Ian
00:43:35 – 00:43:38
to me sounds so much worse because No.
Aaron
00:43:38 – 00:43:39
It's so much better.
Ian
00:43:39 – 00:43:49
It sounds it sounds, it sounds less precise. It sounds harder to install, And I still don't know who's con in your world, who's controlling the baffle. Do you still have thermometers in each room that
Aaron
00:43:50 – 00:43:50
That's the monitors.
Ian
00:43:50 – 00:43:51
To the baffles?
Aaron
00:43:51 – 00:43:52
Right. Mhmm.
Ian
00:43:52 – 00:43:53
Okay.
Aaron
00:43:53 – 00:44:11
The thermometers control it. So like our upstairs has 2 thermometers, 1 in the master bedroom, 1 in 1 of the kids bedroom. And then the baffle splits between our, you know, the master and the kids zone, which is like 2 bedrooms and a bathroom. So, okay. It could be open fully.
Aaron
00:44:11 – 00:44:24
So both sides are getting air, but then like if ours reaches temperature, the baffled to our side closes inside the duct and then only their side's getting air and told their thermostat says it's enough. And then that's it.
Ian
00:44:24 – 00:44:31
Well, I appreciate you bringing up this, this alternative to me. There's a 0% chance I'm going to go with your system.
Aaron
00:44:31 – 00:44:31
So much better.
Ian
00:44:31 – 00:44:34
Literally 0. Like, maybe less than 0.
Aaron
00:44:34 – 00:44:42
Like, let me add, what, a 100 batteries to my daily routine of changing? It's it's insane.
Ian
00:44:42 – 00:44:44
The numbers just keep going up.
Aaron
00:44:45 – 00:44:49
How many I mean, it's gotta have 3 or 4 batteries, and you got you're gonna have you have to do this. It's gonna have
Ian
00:44:49 – 00:44:50
It's got You're
Aaron
00:44:50 – 00:44:51
gonna have 20 of them.
Ian
00:44:51 – 00:44:54
C size batteries. So they're big batteries.
Aaron
00:44:54 – 00:44:54
I see them.
Ian
00:44:54 – 00:44:58
They last ones. What? That's good. They last longer.
Aaron
00:44:58 – 00:45:04
How do you replace this thing? You have to take the whole thing apart to replace the battery? Like, you have to pull it out of the wall, I guess?
Ian
00:45:04 – 00:45:10
No. I think you just take the decorative register off, and then you can change the battery and put the decorative register back on.
Aaron
00:45:10 – 00:45:10
I don't
Ian
00:45:10 – 00:45:12
know. No. You're being a dick.
Aaron
00:45:12 – 00:45:13
You're being a no man.
Ian
00:45:13 – 00:45:15
You're being a no man.
Aaron
00:45:15 – 00:45:18
Just do it right. No. I'm a do it right. I am doing it right. No.
Aaron
00:45:18 – 00:45:19
That's not the way
Ian
00:45:19 – 00:45:20
to do it. It's the This is the right way.
Aaron
00:45:20 – 00:45:21
The right way to do it.
Ian
00:45:21 – 00:45:23
Oh, this is crazy.
Aaron
00:45:23 – 00:45:35
Air conditioning guy over there, and he's gonna tell you the right way to do it is with the baffles in the air ducts. It's not gonna tell you to put a 1,000 individually controlled valve. Now. It's insane. It's insanity.
Aaron
00:45:35 – 00:45:37
What? Okay. Insanity.
Ian
00:45:37 – 00:45:49
Riddle me this. What logistically, what is the difference or maybe logically, what is the difference between your system and my system? Your system works further upstream. Well, hold on. Yours just works further upstream.
Ian
00:45:49 – 00:45:56
It's the exact same system. Mine just works at at at the river's mouth instead of the river's fork. It's the
Aaron
00:45:56 – 00:46:08
same thing. Here here's the thing. I haven't thought about mine in 14 years. You're gonna have to think about mine all the time because it runs out of batteries, and you gotta run around like an idiot replacing batteries in 20 air ducts. That's insanity.
Aaron
00:46:09 – 00:46:12
And and you primary your primary concern
Ian
00:46:12 – 00:46:13
is batteries.
Aaron
00:46:13 – 00:46:23
And you gotta depend on this app in this company that you know is going out of business. That thing's no way I think it's gonna still be working in 14 years. You know it's not gonna work in 14 years. That's a guarantee.
Ian
00:46:23 – 00:46:24
Yeah. That's probably true.
Aaron
00:46:24 – 00:46:35
Crazy. Yeah. You need something that's just part of the house. This is the mechanical system you just wanna built into the house. You don't wanna have a bunch of little individually fiddly things you're messing with, man.
Aaron
00:46:35 – 00:46:35
Alright.
Ian
00:46:35 – 00:46:39
So so y'all go to flare.co. That's where I'm gonna be buying these things.
Aaron
00:46:39 – 00:46:40
I wanna see this now.
Ian
00:46:40 – 00:46:44
Flare.co. Co. Let's see. Meet the Flare platform.
Aaron
00:46:45 – 00:46:48
It won't even load. The website won't even load. Where's Ryan right now to
Ian
00:46:48 – 00:46:48
tell us
Aaron
00:46:48 – 00:46:50
how Yeah. This site was so slow?
Ian
00:46:50 – 00:46:52
It's probably JavaScript. Okay.
Aaron
00:46:52 – 00:46:54
Flare dotco is available domain. So
Ian
00:46:55 – 00:46:59
Oh, s l a I r. Yeah. A l a r. Okay.
Aaron
00:46:59 – 00:47:01
Alright. Smart It's got a loading screen.
Ian
00:47:01 – 00:47:05
Bridge, puck, smart climate control for every room.
Aaron
00:47:05 – 00:47:18
I mean, you gotta have a basic language. You gotta have a separate a whole separate thing that presumably battery powered that does the temperature separate from the vent that has its own batteries. So every location has 2 things that need batteries.
Ian
00:47:19 – 00:47:22
I didn't realize you were so you were so big anti battery.
Aaron
00:47:22 – 00:47:44
Oh, come on. I mean, I use them where I have to, but, like, having to go around and replace dozens and dozens of batteries. I have one regular thing in my life that I have to replace batteries in, and it is terrible. In our master bedroom, we have these big windows and they just let it in, you know, so anyway, we have blinds on them and we want electric blinds because it's a big tall window and like,
Ian
00:47:44 – 00:47:44
you know,
Aaron
00:47:44 – 00:47:50
like, on a ship or whatever. Right? So k. Electric thing. And they're battery operated, and they're pretty efficient.
Aaron
00:47:50 – 00:48:08
It's, like, every 6 months, but every 6 months you have to get up on this ladder and replace the batteries. Or now we've switched just like a month ago. We those ones died after 14 years. So we switched to they're chargeable, but you still have to get up on the ladder and, like, plug it in and charge it, you know, whatever once every year.
Ian
00:48:08 – 00:48:10
That sounds really hard, Ian. I'm so sorry.
Aaron
00:48:10 – 00:48:22
That's only one thing. It's fine. This is insanity. You're literally gonna have 20 new thermostats and 20 new beds. Presumably, you don't need a thermostat in every room, but still you're gonna have No.
Aaron
00:48:22 – 00:48:27
You don't. New thermostats and 20 or 30 vents. That's crazy, man.
Ian
00:48:28 – 00:48:34
But imagine just imagine. Okay. I just I just wanna paint a picture for you. So maybe I should have sold the vision earlier.
Aaron
00:48:34 – 00:48:35
Give me the vision.
Ian
00:48:35 – 00:48:37
Alright. Here's the vision.
Aaron
00:48:37 – 00:48:38
Mhmm.
Ian
00:48:39 – 00:48:44
So the people that sleep downstairs are me and Jennifer and the 2 littlest babies. Right?
Aaron
00:48:44 – 00:48:45
Okay.
Ian
00:48:45 – 00:49:02
So, imagine you set in the little baby's room, you say, I want this room to be 72 degrees. Okay? Okay. And then you go to the master bedroom and you're like, man, I want this room to be 66 degrees while I'm sleeping. Right?
Aaron
00:49:02 – 00:49:02
Yeah.
Ian
00:49:02 – 00:49:38
So then then you say, you know, the living room overnight, the living room overnight can be 79 degrees. Right. And you can you can set each room individually, and then the system the system, the network takes over and turns on turns on the main AC and blows it in the baby's room for a little bit, then shuts it off and then cools down the master, but then keeps the living room hot so we're not wasting electricity. So, like, I'm basically saving the earth at this point, and everyone is sleeping and and then you wake up and you're like, oh, shoot. It's morning.
Ian
00:49:38 – 00:49:45
The system already knows that it's morning. And so it brings the master up to 72. It brings the living down to 74. This
Aaron
00:49:45 – 00:49:47
is my system. It does all this stuff too. It's all the same thing.
Ian
00:49:47 – 00:49:49
There's 0 chance there's 0 percent
Aaron
00:49:49 – 00:50:00
chance your system does that. In the duct. That's doing the exact same thing, except it's doing it at a smarter location where it can be hardwired instead of having 30 Wi Fi enabled little devices break all
Ian
00:50:00 – 00:50:09
the time. Awesome. Yeah. Maybe I explained it poorly. Maybe I explained it poorly because I my system is better and yours is worse, and so I'm just not explaining it right.
Ian
00:50:09 – 00:50:10
That's No.
Aaron
00:50:10 – 00:50:20
You want this centralized, and you want it in built into the house, man. You don't wanna have all these. They're gonna break all the time. It's gonna be a nightmare. Nightmare.
Aaron
00:50:20 – 00:50:23
I I know I want you to do it because then you're gonna be I'm gonna do it.
Ian
00:50:23 – 00:50:25
Can't believe it's gonna be the first one broke.
Aaron
00:50:25 – 00:50:31
I can't believe it's broken. No way. Broken after 6 months. This little chunky thing
Ian
00:50:31 – 00:50:32
is gonna be great content.
Aaron
00:50:33 – 00:50:36
Seconds. It's got moving parts. It's gonna break.
Ian
00:50:36 – 00:50:40
How could it not have moving parts? A baffle has moving parts.
Aaron
00:50:40 – 00:50:43
I know, but that's like an industrial thing, and there's only one of them.
Ian
00:50:44 – 00:50:49
You're you're on a have 2, depending on whatever you want. House, industrial thing. Things in
Aaron
00:50:49 – 00:50:50
the house.
Ian
00:50:50 – 00:50:54
Things are just things, Ian. Like, this could be a well made thing.
Aaron
00:50:54 – 00:50:57
I mean, these things are $99 each for the small one.
Ian
00:50:57 – 00:50:58
I know.
Aaron
00:50:58 – 00:51:00
They're expensive. $140 each.
Ian
00:51:00 – 00:51:01
I know. They're expensive.
Aaron
00:51:02 – 00:51:09
Junky plastic on the back. This thing's gonna be broken in 2 seconds. Junkie. It's gonna literally be broken in 2 seconds.
Ian
00:51:09 – 00:51:20
No. It's gonna be awesome. But they even have a 4 pros section on the website, which means this is a professional thing. K. I'm gonna do it.
Ian
00:51:20 – 00:51:20
I'm gonna do it.
Aaron
00:51:20 – 00:51:23
On the ground. Like, oh my
Ian
00:51:23 – 00:51:26
I don't control where the vents are. I have vents on the ground.
Aaron
00:51:26 – 00:51:27
I'm not saying it's your fault.
Ian
00:51:27 – 00:51:29
My fault. That's not my fault.
Aaron
00:51:29 – 00:51:30
It is what it is.
Ian
00:51:31 – 00:51:31
K. This
Aaron
00:51:31 – 00:51:43
is no way look. I mean, even their example house, which looks to be quite a small house. There's 1, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. You're gonna have at least 40, 50 of these things. You're going to.
Ian
00:51:44 – 00:51:46
I'm not gonna have 40.
Aaron
00:51:46 – 00:51:50
How could you not? If you don't do all you have to do all the vents, or it's not gonna work.
Ian
00:51:50 – 00:51:51
To do you have to do all the vents.
Aaron
00:51:51 – 00:51:52
Right.
Ian
00:51:52 – 00:52:03
In a in a on a system. So I'll do all of the downstairs, and we'll see if it works. Yeah. I think I counted yesterday downstairs. We have, like, 10 vents, something like that.
Aaron
00:52:03 – 00:52:07
And upstairs, you probably have more rooms, though. I'm so sorry. You probably have
Ian
00:52:07 – 00:52:08
the same number of vents.
Aaron
00:52:09 – 00:52:09
You think so? Because it's
Ian
00:52:09 – 00:52:12
the same square footage ish upstairs.
Aaron
00:52:12 – 00:52:15
Yeah. But if they're broken up to more smaller rooms, there'll be more vents.
Ian
00:52:16 – 00:52:16
We'll see. You know
Aaron
00:52:16 – 00:52:17
what I'm saying?
Ian
00:52:17 – 00:52:18
Yeah. I know what you're saying.
Aaron
00:52:18 – 00:52:21
I think you're wrong, but I know what you're saying. I get you.
Ian
00:52:21 – 00:52:23
I don't miss anything. I don't miss anything.
Aaron
00:52:23 – 00:52:26
So let's just say there's 12 on the first floor. There's probably 14
Ian
00:52:26 – 00:52:27
on the second floor. 12.
Aaron
00:52:27 – 00:52:36
It's 26. And then you got 7 or 8 of these little thermostat things or more. Yeah. There's gotta be 1 in each room. How much is the little thermostat thing?
Aaron
00:52:36 – 00:52:38
Let's look at those. Let's say. Let's see how much
Ian
00:52:38 – 00:52:42
little thermostat thing. How much is it to have a professional come out and install that whole?
Aaron
00:52:42 – 00:52:47
Dollars each. I mean, we're at, like, $10,000 for the you do your whole house system.
Ian
00:52:47 – 00:52:52
Yes, ma'am. Even close. No way it's gonna be. 5000. No way.
Aaron
00:52:52 – 00:52:53
Yeah. Thank you. Way.
Ian
00:52:53 – 00:52:54
No way.
Aaron
00:52:54 – 00:53:07
26 times, let's say their average 119 because there are different prices. So that's 3,100 there. And you're gonna need, like, 8 of those puck things at a 100 and 9 119, I think they're right. So you're at 4,000. That's I don't know.
Aaron
00:53:07 – 00:53:08
And you need to bring have
Ian
00:53:08 – 00:53:09
a lot.
Aaron
00:53:09 – 00:53:11
Yeah. So you're gonna be at close to 5,000.
Ian
00:53:12 – 00:53:20
I don't think that's true. I if that's if that's true numbers. If that's true, I'm not gonna do it. That's the that's
Aaron
00:53:20 – 00:53:27
the Well, you gotta figure that out before you order half of a house of them. Yeah. Well, we got the half the house. Too bad for the people to go upstairs.
Ian
00:53:27 – 00:53:31
Mom and dad's room is awesome. You kids head on upstairs.
Aaron
00:53:31 – 00:53:40
See, that to me is a better solution. Like, if you just went through your room, just do your room. But see, I think your problem's the opposite, which is a problem for you because it's your room that's hot. Right?
Ian
00:53:40 – 00:53:41
My room is hot. Yeah.
Aaron
00:53:41 – 00:53:45
Yeah. See that? So it won't work like that. So if you could just do your room yeah. Whatever.
Aaron
00:53:45 – 00:53:45
Just a
Ian
00:53:45 – 00:53:45
new room
Aaron
00:53:45 – 00:53:51
and it's a couple of things. But, like, you have to block all the other rooms so that your room actually gets cold. That's Yeah.
Ian
00:53:51 – 00:53:52
I agree. Yep. I know.
Aaron
00:53:52 – 00:53:57
You could even for $5,000, you could even do your own little, one of those, like, in wall. I forget the call.
Ian
00:53:57 – 00:53:58
Get a mini split?
Aaron
00:53:59 – 00:54:00
Yeah. Mini split. Yeah. Do that.
Ian
00:54:00 – 00:54:10
Just do it. Mini This is not gonna be $5,000. This is gonna be great. It's gonna be a little bit expensive, but I'm gonna save the earth in in the process. So that's awesome.
Ian
00:54:11 – 00:54:14
This is a good idea, and I I appreciate your support.
Aaron
00:54:14 – 00:54:24
Does it it doesn't save it's not saving anything because if if 7 in the room say don't give me air, but the 8th one does, the 8th one's the air is still going full bore.
Ian
00:54:24 – 00:54:24
Right.
Aaron
00:54:24 – 00:54:24
Right.
Ian
00:54:24 – 00:54:27
It's still going, but for so much less time.
Aaron
00:54:27 – 00:54:27
Sure.
Ian
00:54:27 – 00:54:31
Because I'm not I'm not cooling down the living room that nobody's nobody's in.
Aaron
00:54:31 – 00:54:34
But you could do that with the with the properly built system too.
Ian
00:54:35 – 00:54:40
Okay. The these words you're choosing are very offensive. This whole proper and Oh, man. Built in.
Aaron
00:54:40 – 00:54:47
You're gonna have 40 Internet of Things devices, cheap plastic. Well, not cheap. Expensive.
Ian
00:54:48 – 00:54:50
Poisoning our brain with Wi Fi.
Aaron
00:54:50 – 00:55:01
Yeah. All the Wi Fi into your brain. I don't know, man. I'm not a believer, but I'm excited to hear how you do with it. I'm excited to check it out in person possibly if I can get over there at Laracon time.
Ian
00:55:01 – 00:55:10
Glad I glad I brought it up. Yeah. If you come over if you come over for Laracon, I'm gonna put you in the back room and close all the other vents. You're gonna see how amazing it is.
Aaron
00:55:10 – 00:55:14
Gonna say hi to your kids. I'm not gonna say hi to your wife. I'll be like, let's get right to business. We gotta check that out here.
Ian
00:55:14 – 00:55:18
Back to our bedroom. My wife should be like, what the hell is going on here?
Aaron
00:55:19 – 00:55:22
Oh, boy. No. No. We settled that. That
Ian
00:55:22 – 00:55:24
that Yeah. We definitely settled that.
Aaron
00:55:24 – 00:55:28
What else with the move? Everything's in place. You got the stuff on the shelves. You're not
Ian
00:55:28 – 00:55:29
No. No. Oh, man.
Aaron
00:55:29 – 00:55:30
Oh, we got a kitchen stuff.
Ian
00:55:31 – 00:55:34
On the kitchen kitchen shelves. Of course. Kitchen. That's critical. Yeah.
Ian
00:55:34 – 00:55:37
But, yeah, TV is not set up. Oh, wow.
Aaron
00:55:37 – 00:55:39
You're still not TV set up.
Ian
00:55:39 – 00:55:43
Oh, don't worry. We're watching TV on the laptop. Yeah. I know. It's not it's not like we're not watching TV.
Ian
00:55:43 – 00:56:06
That would be horrifying. So, yeah, still gotta set up, like, paintings and, you know, we don't fully even know the layout of the living room and gotta get the rug steamed because they're all wrinkly now and just, you know, just yeah. I know. I know. I used to live in a house with, like, 6 other dudes and then slept on a floor, and it was like, oh, this is easy.
Ian
00:56:06 – 00:56:12
Now I gotta worry about steaming rugs because they're wrinkly. Domestications. Break, man. Come on.
Aaron
00:56:12 – 00:56:15
To be a a lion out there. I was in fields.
Ian
00:56:15 – 00:56:25
I did. Catching prey. I used to eat pizza every night and play FIFA and just party. And when I say party, I mean, eat pizza and play FIFA.
Aaron
00:56:28 – 00:56:29
Oh, man. Better.
Ian
00:56:29 – 00:56:32
It's just more expensive. This is this is better.
Aaron
00:56:32 – 00:56:36
Selling some courses here. What's going on with the courses? We haven't had a course update.
Ian
00:56:36 – 00:56:40
Yeah. Gotta sell so many courses. Oh,
Aaron
00:56:41 – 00:56:43
yeah. Everybody's gotta buy these courses. Y'all
Ian
00:56:43 – 00:56:44
gotta buy.
Aaron
00:56:44 – 00:56:48
His Internet of things doodads in someone's house. Yeah.
Ian
00:56:50 – 00:57:01
Don't don't make me take out a home equity loan to buy these doodads. I need y'all come through. In fact, I don't even think I have any equity in my home at this point, so that's not that's not even an option.
Aaron
00:57:01 – 00:57:02
Even do that. Yeah.
Ian
00:57:02 – 00:57:07
Alright. The course. Yeah. Here's the deal. The course is gonna be good.
Ian
00:57:07 – 00:57:18
I'm really it's always there's always a period of, like, man, this was a bad idea, and I'm very stupid. And I think I've I think I've I've passed the point of I am very stupid.
Aaron
00:57:19 – 00:57:20
Bit of despair.
Ian
00:57:20 – 00:57:31
Yeah. I'm into the point of, like, great. This is gonna be good. I just gotta, like, I gotta do it. So at this point, I think I have maybe 11 videos recorded.
Ian
00:57:31 – 00:57:39
And the goal is, is you're going to you're going to laugh at this. The goal is to record, like, 50 this week.
Aaron
00:57:39 – 00:57:45
Oh, this is. I thought I was crazy. I thought it was 50 total. 50 this week.
Ian
00:57:45 – 00:57:48
50 more this week. Woah. Yeah.
Aaron
00:57:48 – 00:57:51
I don't I don't even I don't think I even like the sound of that, to be
Ian
00:57:51 – 00:57:51
honest. No.
Aaron
00:57:51 – 00:57:53
No. No. No. Dead. But the end of that, I feel
Ian
00:57:53 – 00:57:55
like that's worse than the batteries thing.
Aaron
00:57:55 – 00:58:01
Yeah. This is crazy. This is this is actually crazy. Like, the other thing is this little side adventure, whatever. Yeah.
Aaron
00:58:01 – 00:58:02
Yeah. Yeah. It's just
Ian
00:58:02 – 00:58:16
Aaron being Aaron. This is insane. Yeah. So we're a little bit behind schedule because of the move. I essentially took an entire week off because it was like I'm just managing this whole process.
Ian
00:58:16 – 00:58:37
Yeah. So we're a little bit behind schedule, which is fine. It's only, you know, a a deadline of our own making, so it's totally fine. So, yeah, the first round of videos is coming out really good, and I'm, like, really happy with the way that, it's almost like a performance. I'm really happy with the way I've performed in these videos.
Ian
00:58:38 – 00:59:01
So I'll finish hopefully finish most of those up this week and then hand I'm handing them over to Steve as I go, but I'm just basically gonna just bombard him with videos this week. And then while he's underwater on that, I will switch over and build out the back end of the course platform. He's built out the front end. It's crazy. Steve's also a developer.
Ian
00:59:01 – 00:59:01
It's just like
Aaron
00:59:01 – 00:59:03
It's like such a weird combo.
Ian
00:59:03 – 00:59:08
I know. Yeah. Everybody needs their own Steve. Yeah. That'd be handy.
Ian
00:59:08 – 00:59:14
So I'll work on the back end of the platform, and then hopefully, we'll launch it, you know, maybe 2 weeks, 3 weeks from now, something like that.
Aaron
00:59:16 – 00:59:27
So it's been, like I thought, like, if you don't have like, you could not do 50 videos all at once. Like, you could do, like, 15, 15, 15, and then, like, be working on the back end in the middle. Like, you can't process 50 videos.
Ian
00:59:27 – 00:59:31
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's some amount of it that's momentum.
Ian
00:59:31 – 00:59:32
Yeah.
Aaron
00:59:32 – 00:59:32
I can
Ian
00:59:32 – 00:59:44
And some amount that's like, if I can just power through these videos, I will feel better. Right. Just just like yeah. Versus, like, dragging them out. Yeah.
Ian
00:59:44 – 00:59:57
So that's that's part of the game I'm I'm playing is, like, a mental game. Mhmm. And it it might actually end up being that I try as hard as I can, and I get 20 done this week, and it just ends up being, you know, 20, 20, 15, 10, whatever.
Aaron
00:59:57 – 01:00:08
Record them? Like, do you just, like, go one to the other, or is each one, like, discreet? Like like, is it one chunk that you break up, or is it, like, discreet? I start and stop. Okay.
Ian
01:00:08 – 01:00:30
Yep. Each one's discreet, start and stop. Record I do record them in order, which I think is important, so I know what I can reference and know what I can build upon, versus just assuming that they know something without, like, having taught it. So I do them in order, but I do it I do it in, discrete chunks for sure. Mhmm.
Aaron
01:00:30 – 01:00:30
Yeah.
Ian
01:00:30 – 01:00:52
And that also helps because Steve can give me feedback, and we can tweak as I go as he watches and edits them, which is gonna be helpful. So the interview series that I'm doing alongside this is going pretty well. That's the one I got for. Right. And I got Ben Johnson, the creator of Lightstream Light FS, which is SQLite stuff.
Ian
01:00:53 – 01:01:32
And then we should have one coming out today with, a guy named Carl. And I worked briefly with Carl when he was at single store. I was I wrote their Laravel driver for single store. Carl used to work there, and he's working on a, like, a local first multiplayer sequel light, which is very, very interesting. And so I'm finding these interviews to be a whole lot of fun because I feel like I have the right amount of knowledge to ask questions that I genuinely am interested in the answers to because I don't have enough knowledge to, like, already know the answers.
Aaron
01:01:32 – 01:01:33
And
Ian
01:01:33 – 01:01:54
so I'm like, I'm right at that sweet spot where, like, if I wasn't here, I wouldn't be able to ask the right questions. But if I was beyond it, I would just be feigning interest because I already know the answer. And so it's just kind of like a fun spot to be in. And I think people are really enjoying those. And so I'm hoping that continues to grow the list and gets people ready for the launch, that sort of thing.
Ian
01:01:54 – 01:01:55
So Yeah.
Aaron
01:01:55 – 01:02:01
How do they they did our I guess we only did one, the Ben one, but that did okay. I haven't watched that one yet.
Ian
01:02:01 – 01:02:14
Did, like, 40,000 views, maybe. And Ben Johnson has gotten maybe, like, 6 or 7. I think the Ben Johnson one is probably better for, like, its purpose, which is
Aaron
01:02:14 – 01:02:14
Right.
Ian
01:02:15 – 01:02:23
Reach SQLite people. The DHH one is good for people who wanna hear DHH talk. Yeah. Broad. Broad.
Ian
01:02:23 – 01:02:24
Yeah. A different purpose. Yeah.
Aaron
01:02:24 – 01:02:25
Yeah.
Ian
01:02:26 – 01:02:43
So, yeah, we'll probably put the one out with Carl today. I've got one lined up with Kent c Dodds. I'm gonna talk to Glauber, the CEO of Terso. I'm trying to talk to Primagen because he uses SQLite. I had Nunavut, but then I got sick, and so I had to cancel on Nunavut.
Ian
01:02:43 – 01:03:05
So I'm gonna reschedule with Nunavut because his little app, Pinkery, uses SQLite. Yeah. So it's going well. I feel really under the gun. I feel really, really stressed right now just with the move and the course and money flying out the door, fly flying out the door, and what's the biggest plane possible?
Ian
01:03:06 – 01:03:07
That's how the money is leaving
Aaron
01:03:07 – 01:03:07
the door.
Ian
01:03:07 – 01:03:08
We're just loaded up
Aaron
01:03:08 – 01:03:09
into 77. Yeah.
Ian
01:03:09 – 01:03:27
And the flies out the door. So feeling a little nervous about that. Yep. You know, trying to, like, trying to keep the house a pleasant place to be, but it's like, there's so many people working and I'm kids are trying to nap. And so I feel a lot of stress and pressure about that.
Ian
01:03:27 – 01:03:38
And it's like, I just need things. I need I need things to, like, finish and not be mid midstream. So, yeah, we'll get there.
Aaron
01:03:38 – 01:03:50
It's always been my experience that all these things happen at once. And just like there's something about the universe like that. So you're kinda just gonna have all this stuff happen at once, and that's just all there's gonna be to it. And then you have all these periods where you don't do as much as you could have done and because they're calm and you're
Ian
01:03:50 – 01:03:51
Yep.
Aaron
01:03:51 – 01:03:57
Laying back a little bit, and you're like, okay. It's calm. And then up. Yep. I'm moving, and I'm building the course.
Aaron
01:03:57 – 01:03:58
I'm doing all this stuff, and
Ian
01:03:58 – 01:04:03
it's all Exactly. A whole lot. It's all a lot.
Aaron
01:04:03 – 01:04:05
Sounds pretty good overall. It seems like.
Ian
01:04:06 – 01:04:14
Pretty, pretty good overall. If I can continue to manage stress and just produce videos, I'll be very happy.
Aaron
01:04:14 – 01:04:25
Do you have any concerns? I don't have any idea for this market, of launching in like July. Toward like June.
Ian
01:04:25 – 01:04:26
Should I?
Aaron
01:04:26 – 01:04:39
I don't know. Like people on vacation, people are like checked out. Kids are just getting out of school. Like, I have no idea if that's a factor. I know, like, in my stuff, it's sometimes the summer seems a little bit lighter than other times of the year.
Aaron
01:04:39 – 01:04:41
But, now
Ian
01:04:41 – 01:05:01
I don't know. I feel like I could, I could argue both ways. I think the argument the other way is like I feel partially like SQLite is a prosumer or like exploratory technology. And so maybe the law is even better because it's like, hey, it's kind of checked out. Let me, like, tinker a little bit.
Ian
01:05:01 – 01:05:10
Yeah. So I don't I don't really know, if I should be concerned or not, but I'm concerned about a lot of things. That is not one. Yeah.
Aaron
01:05:10 – 01:05:14
Yeah. And, like, the alternative is, like, hold it till September, which feels like that's not
Ian
01:05:15 – 01:05:16
postgres to do, man. Yeah.
Aaron
01:05:16 – 01:05:19
Got stuff got stuff queued up already. So Yeah.
Ian
01:05:19 – 01:05:19
Exactly.
Aaron
01:05:20 – 01:05:23
Oh my goodness. So how the post this one? That one's gonna be killer. That's gonna be
Ian
01:05:24 – 01:05:28
That's that's the big dog, man. Yeah. I'm gonna
Aaron
01:05:28 – 01:05:29
back to back.
Ian
01:05:29 – 01:05:40
I've already committed to Steve that Postgres, I'm starting way, way earlier. Like, by the time by the time we launch a tweet that, like, Postgres is coming, I hope to have, you know
Aaron
01:05:40 – 01:05:41
More in the can.
Ian
01:05:42 – 01:05:44
15 videos done already at that point. I'm always
Aaron
01:05:44 – 01:06:11
torn on those things because it's like, yeah, that's the way I've always kind of been about stuff, but I do it does hurt you sometimes. I don't know about for course. It's a little bit different, but for like the software product, it's like, ah, if you're not out there really early, it does, it does hurt you a little bit to not be collecting emails and getting people to know about it. But on the flip side, when you click that email and then you don't actually ship anything for 8 months, then that's right. Has its own problems because people don't even remember what you were doing and they found other solutions and whatever.
Aaron
01:06:11 – 01:06:22
So, But yeah, I mean, certainly for your stuff, I feel like that would be great to be like, cause then you could also even have everything set up. Like, you have, like, a whole sequence of videos and clips
Ian
01:06:22 – 01:06:23
and Exactly.
Aaron
01:06:23 – 01:06:27
All that stuff to really lean into it and have
Ian
01:06:27 – 01:06:29
it recorded on us. List and get the first five videos, like
Aaron
01:06:30 – 01:06:32
Right. That sort of stuff like that. I couldn't
Ian
01:06:32 – 01:06:33
do that with single eye because it wasn't done yet.
Aaron
01:06:33 – 01:06:52
It didn't have it. Yeah. Or even, like, on social media clips and things to get people excited in your like, the trailers you guys do, and you could have, like, a 2 or 3 of them instead of, like, a movie instead of just really the one. Since that one works so good, presumably, maybe a few That's crazy. A couple, would drop in some different things along the way.
Aaron
01:06:52 – 01:07:01
That could be exciting. So, yeah, I like it. Alright. Well, that's kind of, I guess, the course update. Well, I can't wait till next week now to see if you would Yeah.
Aaron
01:07:02 – 01:07:04
Hold 50 videos. That's gonna be a while.
Ian
01:07:04 – 01:07:07
Hear how many air vents I bought and how many videos I got recorded.
Aaron
01:07:08 – 01:07:19
Alright. So the only other thing I had on the list here is I don't know. Are you we haven't really talked about this, shockingly, but are you an Apple guy? Are you a WWDC follower? WWDC is today?
Ian
01:07:20 – 01:07:31
Like like many things in my life, I am very happy with Apple products, but I don't really get super, like, into it.
Aaron
01:07:31 – 01:07:31
And so
Ian
01:07:31 – 01:07:39
it's like, yeah, my my MacBook's great. It works. That's about it. I'm just gonna just gonna be happy with it. So I don't really follow WWDC.
Ian
01:07:40 – 01:07:54
I used to, like, in college, I used to watch WWDC and watch, you know, this week in tech with Leo Laporte and be, like, inside baseball the whole time. Now I'm just like, I guess, I got too much to do. My AC doesn't work. I'm gonna go home. Like, that sort of stuff.
Ian
01:07:54 – 01:07:57
So tell me, what's what are we expecting from WWDC?
Aaron
01:07:58 – 01:08:02
I I think AI stuff is kind of the big, thing I'm seeing.
Ian
01:08:02 – 01:08:03
Oh, brother.
Aaron
01:08:03 – 01:08:11
Yeah. Which I mean, there's still all this interesting stuff with AI. It's like, what can you actually do with it really? You know? And it's like, I don't know.
Aaron
01:08:11 – 01:08:26
A lot of rumor stuff is like kind of your standard. It summarize emails or what, you know, kind of like, okay, like, a lot of the like cool stuff is stuff they already do do with like machine learning, which is just like not an L M, but it's still sort of AI. Right. And that's
Ian
01:08:26 – 01:08:30
what they were already doing before. Like reproducible, like, where you can actually do things.
Aaron
01:08:30 – 01:08:41
Reproducible AI, like, useful AI, but they were already doing that. I I assume they'll we label it AI, but, like, that's kind of stuff they already did. So, yeah, I don't know. I don't I guess Is
Ian
01:08:41 – 01:08:46
this not the time we get new refreshes on any hardware? Is this a different thing?
Aaron
01:08:46 – 01:09:11
Some occasionally, there's hardware at WWC, like, with the max, but I think the rumor is that there's not gonna be any hardware. So there won't there shouldn't be any, like, big hardware unless it's like a super secret surprise thing. So, yeah, I don't think, there's gonna be a hardware. It's gonna be this is one of the things I'd like about I've always wanted to do, like, an iOS app because I do think it is cool. Like, they have so many APIs and, like, they're always adding stuff and everybody's on their phone all the time.
Aaron
01:09:11 – 01:09:38
That is like the main computing platform obviously of the modern era. So I always get intrigued a little bit by like what APIs they launch. Like presumably they'll have AI APIs and they'll be better than kind of the stuff we're forced to use on the web with the open AI or different things that are like, okay, but they're just, they can only do what they can do because it's just it's not a deeply integrated sort of SDK API scenario. It's just like, yeah, throw some stuff over the wall, and we'll throw some stuff back. Right?
Aaron
01:09:38 – 01:09:51
Like, that's kind of how it has to be. So I don't know. That'd be kinda cool. Like I don't get all the way into watching, like the actual technical talks of the APIs and stuff for the most part. But, so yeah, I know.
Aaron
01:09:51 – 01:09:58
We'll see. I hope I'm hoping they, I like when they come with something cool that people are excited about. I don't know. It seems like Apple's a little more behind than they happened in
Ian
01:09:58 – 01:09:59
the past. Yeah. It does seem that way.
Aaron
01:09:59 – 01:10:04
I don't know if they're gonna have that for us. And then the vision pro stuff's kinda like nobody cares. Right?
Ian
01:10:04 – 01:10:04
So
Aaron
01:10:04 – 01:10:06
there's a bunch of that. Who knows?
Ian
01:10:06 – 01:10:09
Technical majesty that nobody really cared about.
Aaron
01:10:09 – 01:10:12
Yeah. And nobody wants to wear a computer on their face. Like, that's just
Ian
01:10:12 – 01:10:14
I do, but I don't wanna wear that computer on my face.
Aaron
01:10:14 – 01:10:17
If you wanna wear glasses Yeah. Have a computer in them.
Ian
01:10:17 – 01:10:26
I actually I wanna sit at my desk with a computer on my face. That that's the ultimate to me. I don't know. You can just have kids stuff.
Aaron
01:10:26 – 01:10:26
Like
Ian
01:10:26 – 01:10:35
Yeah. That's why I don't wanna wear that one because it's Right. Yeah. But I, like, have my full, like, 3 d computing environment. In fact, I wanna have, like, a chair that reclines, so I have, like, a
Aaron
01:10:37 – 01:10:39
chair. Like, floating. Yeah.
Ian
01:10:39 – 01:10:43
I mean Yeah. I I do want to expensive, you know, but No. No.
Aaron
01:10:43 – 01:10:54
It could be worth it. Yeah. If you if if it could be executed in a way that didn't hurt your neck and had more than an hour battery life and all that stuff, which maybe they'll get there. Who knows? I'm not too optimistic on that.
Aaron
01:10:54 – 01:10:56
I don't know. Like, that technology has an advanced
Ian
01:10:56 – 01:11:00
Too optimistic. Yeah. Not anytime soon, I don't think.
Aaron
01:11:00 – 01:11:13
Yeah. Even if you had the plug in, that would be fine, but I just don't think they're gonna have, like, the light transparent screen, like, the stuff you'd really want to make it soundify awesome. Like, I just don't think that it's really on the agenda anytime soon.
Ian
01:11:13 – 01:11:22
So Yeah. Well, I'll be curious to get your takes on WWDC next week. I'll tell you how many videos and how many events, and you tell me what happened to WWDC.
Aaron
01:11:24 – 01:11:39
Alright. Sounds good. Thanks, everybody. Follow us at, you know, catch up on the old episodes, I guess, at mostlytechnical.com. Twitter, mostly tech pod for the hot takes and, right into mostly technical podcast at Gmail with, feedback.
Aaron
01:11:39 – 01:11:45
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Ian
01:11:45 – 01:11:49
Tell me how right I am. I would love to be vindicated.
Aaron
01:11:50 – 01:11:52
Alright, everybody. Thanks. See you next week.
Ian
01:11:52 – 01:11:53
See you. Bye.
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