Aaron Francis

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Transcript

Ian

00:00:00 – 00:00:00

Hello?

Aaron

00:00:01 – 00:00:03

He is back. Finally.

Ian

00:00:04 – 00:00:06

Back, baby. They tried to take me out. They failed again.

Aaron

00:00:07 – 00:00:09

They failed again?

Ian

00:00:10 – 00:00:11

The man I

Aaron

00:00:11 – 00:00:13

don't even know who the they is there.

Ian

00:00:13 – 00:00:14

Doesn't matter. They.

Aaron

00:00:15 – 00:00:16

Matter. They

Ian

00:00:16 – 00:00:20

failed. Yep. They failed. Oh, it's good to be here.

Aaron

00:00:20 – 00:00:30

Man. So we got a lot to catch up on. You're you're one, apparently useless organ down. You did a big thread on mister beast.

Ian

00:00:31 – 00:00:31

Oh, yeah. I

Aaron

00:00:31 – 00:00:38

was an MC at Laracon. You didn't even go to Laracon. We launched a Frank Sinatra trailer. What what are we gonna talk about?

Ian

00:00:38 – 00:00:47

You're going to jail. There's so much to talk about. I don't know. Let me give the quick gallbladder story. I'm doing the ultralight.

Ian

00:00:47 – 00:01:01

I can't give the story too much. Probably people know about it, but just since I've been gone, basically didn't feel good a lot of this summer. Didn't totally know why. I did various tests. Eventually figured out gallbladder is going bad.

Aaron

00:01:01 – 00:01:02

Going bad.

Ian

00:01:02 – 00:01:10

Yeah. I think I was poisoned, but whatever. We'll put that aside. Yeah. So hacked it out.

Ian

00:01:11 – 00:01:25

Went pretty smooth. It's been two weeks, just a little short of two weeks. You know, they do it laparoscopically now, so they punch a couple holes in you. But not the big open surgery. Went pretty smooth.

Ian

00:01:25 – 00:01:28

I mean, there's, like, so much stuff with that I could talk about, but I don't know.

Aaron

00:01:28 – 00:01:30

I don't know. I've had the stomach for it.

Ian

00:01:30 – 00:01:38

Yeah. Like, there's not too much to it. I would say went fine. Back to eating, fairly normal, so that's good. Yeah.

Ian

00:01:38 – 00:01:57

Otherwise, pretty good. It's a it's a weird thing that if you have, like, slightly nonstandard, symptoms, like mine weren't totally traditional, that it's not quite so easy for them to pin down initially. So, that was a little bit annoying. But, yeah, otherwise, feeling pretty good. Still tired.

Ian

00:01:58 – 00:02:14

Wounds are still healing a little bit. But, besides that, it was pretty straightforward going under getting the surgery when all smooth. Couple things where people don't know if you have laparoscopic surgery. I didn't know this. A nurse just this is like the healthcare system's so crazy.

Ian

00:02:14 – 00:02:38

Like the nurse just threw this out there in passing that like, Oh, your shoulders might hurt after the surgery. And you're like, Oh, that's weird. Because they laparoscopic surgery, they pump you full of CO2 to like pump you up so that they can see what's going on in there. And so that gas doesn't really have anywhere to go. Like it's just in your body cavity.

Ian

00:02:38 – 00:02:52

It's not like in your lungs and stuff. And so it has to like slowly reabsorb in. So while it's in your body cavity, it's pushing on nerves Mhmm. And it makes pain. And so that pain is not, like, some pain.

Ian

00:02:52 – 00:02:56

That pain is, like, excruciating ice picking your shoulders.

Aaron

00:02:56 – 00:02:57

Really?

Ian

00:02:57 – 00:03:13

Yeah. Like, way less than the incisions. It was, like, three or four days of, like, pretty excruciating. And then another three days probably till it was, like, it, you know, basically gone. So that was, like, the worst pain of the whole thing.

Ian

00:03:13 – 00:03:21

And finally, like, it's like, you know, it's so crazy. Cause they lead you leave with paperwork. Right. And it's like, it's like, yo, if you're suicidal and like, it's all this random shit. Right.

Ian

00:03:21 – 00:03:34

But it there's nothing in there about everybody basically gets this and it's excruciating pain. And if you, nobody just happens to tell you in passing, like, you're gonna leave there thinking that like, holy crap. Am I having a heart attack?

Aaron

00:03:34 – 00:03:34

Right.

Ian

00:03:34 – 00:03:39

Like, is something crazy wrong? Like, this is an insane amount of pain, Amanda.

Aaron

00:03:39 – 00:03:41

So if this nurse happened to just not bring it up, you would've

Ian

00:03:41 – 00:03:58

never know. And when she got busy and like, she missed telling me this, like, I would literally have no way to know, and I'd be instantly on the phone and being like, I'm in excruciating pain. What's going on? Like in a totally unrelated part of my body to what was worked on. So we got through all that and, yeah, overall it was good.

Ian

00:03:58 – 00:04:19

No, no setbacks or anything. So hopefully back of the men, miss Laracon, which was a crazy bummer. Cause my surgery was like the next day and leading up to the surgery, once you figure this out, you gotta eat all crazy, like no fat. So I'm on this like zero fat diet and, yeah, just worn out and tired and all that. Definitely, definitely couldn't in pain from the gallbladder.

Ian

00:04:19 – 00:04:35

Because at the end, by the time I got to the end, then it was the more obvious symptoms of like Mhmm. Nausea and you know, like, pain in your side and stuff like that. So was glad I decided not to go because it would've just been me hiding in a hotel room until I could've got back on a plane to leave. So, Yeah.

Aaron

00:04:35 – 00:04:38

It would've been even worse. Yeah. Even less fun.

Ian

00:04:38 – 00:04:42

Nothing nothing worse than traveling and not feeling well. It's that's the one.

Aaron

00:04:42 – 00:04:47

Was it just like a when they took it out, was it just like a bag of rocks? Just a bunch of freaking

Ian

00:04:47 – 00:04:47

That's what it is.

Aaron

00:04:47 – 00:04:48

Stones in there?

Ian

00:04:49 – 00:04:56

Yeah. And so Bro. I wish they had kept it. I I kinda wanted to get the stones. I think it's back to the day they used to do that.

Ian

00:04:56 – 00:05:16

But, yeah, I didn't get to actually see mine, but, yeah, that's in fact what it is. Just cholesterol from your bile ducts from your liver that, and that's what your gallbladder does. So what it does is it takes in bile from the liver, and it, like, strength, it like removes the water and concentrates it.

Aaron

00:05:16 – 00:05:16

Okay.

Ian

00:05:16 – 00:05:48

And so when you eat something fatty, it just releases a bunch of this all concentrated bile all at once. And that makes the fat particles smaller, which makes it easier to digest. And so, and so, so basically what most people experience is these stones either get stuck in the duct out of the bladder or block it. And then you get like severe pain because it's trying to pump stuff out and it can't and whatever. Mine was a little different.

Ian

00:05:48 – 00:06:12

It was more like this chronic thing where like the stones can be in there and just irritating the gallbladder. And then the Okay. Little like wall of the bladder gets thicker and then it gets inflamed and it inflames other things. And so stuff's just not acting correctly. But not with the more like more traditionally people just get this incredible pain and nausea and they go to the doctor and, like, having pain in my upper right quadrant and nausea.

Ian

00:06:12 – 00:06:19

And they're like, yeah, it's your gallbladder, whatever. Mine wasn't quite so with their cup, but, yeah, it's just literally physical stones in there. And,

Aaron

00:06:19 – 00:06:26

so now what the gallbladder is gone and all that They just reroute everything. How is this possible?

Ian

00:06:26 – 00:06:45

It's fascinating how it works. So your gallbladder is nothing to reroute. There's only what so you have this your liver makes bile Bile goes through this one duct into your small intestine. Now the gallbladder has a branch off of that. So it's a single duct off of the, the main bile duct into the gallbladder.

Ian

00:06:45 – 00:07:21

So it's less like a bag with the, it's just a balloon with one duct to this that ties to the main line. So basically, like, it's not it's like the bile goes down the main line and some of it just goes off into the gallbladder and the rest of it just pours through into your small intestines. So your small intestines are actually always just getting some and some gets goes off in your gallbladder. So what they do is they crimp that off, and then they crimp it off on the gallbladder side and they crimp it off on the right near the bile duct, the main duct, and they clip it and they just take the gallbladder out, which is the balloon. And then that clip stays in there forever.

Ian

00:07:21 – 00:07:34

I mean, it's a little nerve wracking because there's just like this titanium clip in there. I have to check with the doctor. That's what they normally use. They can also suture, but I think now it sounds like they just always use these, clips. So there's two clips keeping closed this open.

Ian

00:07:35 – 00:08:07

What was the line to the gallbladder? That's now, you know, cut off with these clips and now your liver is just constantly putting bile into your small intestine. So basically, you know, if you had like a hugely fatty meal, like you may not have enough bile to deal with that, and then you're gonna get like gas and maybe diarrhea and stuff like that. So far as I reintroduced fats, I have not had any issues at all. But I also haven't had, like, a big basket of fries or, you know, I've been still watching it.

Ian

00:08:08 – 00:08:28

I have had, like, hamburger, and I've had, like, meat and things and cheese and fine. So it seems like for the most part, I'm fine. But I haven't tried to go out for the big steak dinner with a bunch of, you know, buttery mashed potatoes and all the stuff and see how that goes, but we'll get there. Okay. Yeah.

Aaron

00:08:28 – 00:08:29

Well, that's horrifying.

Ian

00:08:29 – 00:08:50

To reroute the guy Yeah. The surgeon, but this is a whole funny thing. I've been talking to the surgeon like two weeks before the surgery. And he's got this chart, you know, like one of those body charts of like your insides up on the wall. And he's like, okay, like your gallbladder and here's the line and here's the main bile duct and They're different colors so you can see it.

Ian

00:08:50 – 00:09:12

Alright, and he's like, you know, he's like, so it's all fine. We do this all time He's like, but the one potential issue is, like, if we, you know, if you clip the main bile duct, that's a problem. And inside your body, it's not color coded. So, like Oh, dude. I mean, that's obviously true, but also kind of scary.

Ian

00:09:12 – 00:09:44

He's like, we do, we do, you know, they have some computerized thing that, you know, checks it before they cut and all kinds of stuff. And, it was also fascinating. Like everybody and their mother was in the, in the surgery, like, like literally three different students came in at different points who were like, oh, it's okay if I watch, you know, one was the anesthesiologist student and one was a surgical student and one was somebody else. There's like three nurses, the surgeon, two anesthesia people. Like, they roll you in there, and it's like, there's stuff going on.

Aaron

00:09:44 – 00:09:46

Do you do you remember the junior men's episode of Seinfeld?

Ian

00:09:46 – 00:09:51

Oh, I know. I was thinking about it the whole time. Seinfeld always says, you don't wanna have a surgery

Aaron

00:09:51 – 00:09:56

where other doctors are like, oh, I gotta see this. That's bad news, man.

Ian

00:09:56 – 00:09:57

That's trouble. You don't

Aaron

00:09:57 – 00:10:00

want be you don't want people coming in and saying this is gonna be crazy. Yeah.

Ian

00:10:00 – 00:10:11

I gotta help with this one. Actually, this is the fifth or sixth most common surgery in the country. So it's very common. So, yeah, whatever. It was cool.

Ian

00:10:11 – 00:10:15

I was like, yeah, whatever. Come in and check it out. What do I care? So people were watching.

Aaron

00:10:15 – 00:10:18

Yeah. Well, you're back. I'm glad you made it.

Ian

00:10:18 – 00:10:18

I know.

Aaron

00:10:18 – 00:10:22

It sounds kinda horrifying, but, glad you're glad

Ian

00:10:22 – 00:10:30

you're doing okay. Yeah. Yeah. So, what else? So that's something while they were in there.

Ian

00:10:30 – 00:10:44

They also fixed the hernia, which I didn't know I had. The old toothbrush was like, yeah, it's like this way. They don't have to do surgery again. So that that was actually the other it was like the gas pain was one. Where they fixed the hernia that I didn't even know I had was two on the pain.

Ian

00:10:44 – 00:10:58

And then, like, the incisions from where they actually put the laparoscopic instruments in were, like, totally fine. They just super glue it all now. So you don't even, like, have switched. Yeah. But I should I could show the audience my

Aaron

00:10:58 – 00:11:00

No. No. No. No. Bullet holes.

Aaron

00:11:00 – 00:11:03

No. I've reached I've about reached the limits of what I can bear.

Ian

00:11:04 – 00:11:09

Alright. So that's my that was my big stuff. I actually had some other big stuff, but let's go to you. What what

Aaron

00:11:09 – 00:11:17

Well, I wanna I wanna hear what what you thought of my, my solo run without you. What'd you think of Caleb as guest guest cohost?

Ian

00:11:18 – 00:11:21

Yeah. I thought that was awesome. I listened, obviously, to all the episodes. I thought it was

Aaron

00:11:21 – 00:11:22

fun. Right?

Ian

00:11:22 – 00:11:39

It was great too because it just lined up so nicely with Caleb actually having this, like, big launch and thing he's working on. So there was, like, an actual story line to the whole thing where he's coming in every week and being like, I don't know what to do or whatever. And, then you had, you know, Daniel on there for the one. And yeah. No.

Ian

00:11:39 – 00:11:52

I think the I'm thankful to everybody for filling in for me. Thank you guys. Thank you for Aaron for being so accommodating and, keeping the show going while I was out. So

Aaron

00:11:52 – 00:11:53

The show must go on.

Ian

00:11:54 – 00:12:01

I thought it was great. I thought the show went on. I mean, the last one was, like, two hours. I was like It was. They're really giving people their money's worth there.

Ian

00:12:01 – 00:12:07

Like, this is not just, like, fill it in. This is, like, a full on therapy type session going on here.

Aaron

00:12:07 – 00:12:07

Those are awesome.

Ian

00:12:07 – 00:12:08

Deep. Yeah.

Aaron

00:12:08 – 00:12:19

Yeah. It was a it was a ton of fun. I loved having them on. My wife listened to them, and she said, I I really like Caleb, but I gotta say I miss Ian. I like listening to you and Ian.

Aaron

00:12:19 – 00:12:21

You and Ian have something special, and I was

Ian

00:12:21 – 00:12:22

like, I know.

Aaron

00:12:22 – 00:12:24

So good to have you back.

Ian

00:12:24 – 00:12:30

Yeah. Yeah. I agree. I miss being on. It was like last week, I almost did it, but I was like, you know, I just didn't feel it.

Ian

00:12:30 – 00:12:33

And, like, I don't wanna be on here being all, like, like, call and dumpy. So

Aaron

00:12:33 – 00:12:44

That happened one time. Do you remember that? You were like I don't know if it was gallbladder stuff, but you were super sick. And we got on, and the vibe was just awful. And you're like, alright, man.

Aaron

00:12:44 – 00:12:49

I I gotta call it. This is not working. I was like, okay. Good. I felt like that wasn't working.

Ian

00:12:49 – 00:13:00

Dude, that was the beginning of all this stuff. So that was in spring. It was, like, the March or something like that. And that was the beginning of me starting to feel bad. And like, it was with my thing, it was like impacting my breathing.

Ian

00:13:00 – 00:13:10

Cause it was like pressure. It puts on your diaphragm. Like not that you literally can't breathe. Like if they measure your breathing, which they did, it's like, oh, you're totally fine. But like the feeling wasn't right with it at times.

Ian

00:13:10 – 00:13:16

And, that was the beginning of it. Yeah. And I was, like, on here, I was like, I just I don't have the juice. Like, I can't do it. Like, I don't

Aaron

00:13:16 – 00:13:25

I think you were trying to read a Laracast ad, and you were bombing it. Yeah. What is going on with him? And that's when you were like, alright, man. We gotta stop.

Ian

00:13:25 – 00:13:33

We got it, though. Yeah. We were, like, ten minutes in after that, and I was like, this is just this ain't gonna work. So yep. So it was it's been impacting.

Ian

00:13:33 – 00:13:43

Yeah. It's been for a while dealing with it and, just, you know, then, you know, it's the whole thing. It's, like, not just the thing. It's, like, we'll go obviously, if it's, like, breathing y type stuff, like, we'll go check your heart. Okay.

Ian

00:13:43 – 00:13:50

That's a month and a half of, like because they don't just there's nowhere you go with it. Like, okay. We do everything. It's like, you gotta do step one, then step two, and step three. Okay.

Ian

00:13:50 – 00:13:59

Alright. That's good. Now check your lungs. Go step one, two, three. Like, so it's months and months of bouncing around, and everybody's like, you're at the peak of human fitness.

Ian

00:13:59 – 00:14:04

Mhmm. Nobody's in better shape than you in all these systems. And I'm like, well, that's good. Dying. Right.

Ian

00:14:04 – 00:14:15

Well, I feel terrible. So I don't think of like the actual total peak of human fitness. So we figured it out. Good. Yeah.

Ian

00:14:15 – 00:14:34

But yeah, that was the beginning of it. So been been a little over on here, but, and then in the middle of that, like, you know, my son was picking a college, then my son was going to college. There's all that stuff. We dropped him off at college, like, two weeks before the surgery. I think I knew it was the gallbladder stuff by then, but, it was still gonna be several weeks.

Ian

00:14:34 – 00:14:43

So went up there and he's doing good with it, which is great. But, yeah, it's always there's been a lot going on this summer, plus a million other things, but that loads of things.

Aaron

00:14:44 – 00:14:45

Going on, man. Yeah.

Ian

00:14:45 – 00:14:56

Busy summer. Twenty I'm I'm excited to get through 2024. Feel like it's been a busy, not the always the best way. I mean, the college stuff is good, but it was, like, on top of this stuff Right. And whatever.

Ian

00:14:56 – 00:15:02

So kinda looking forward to 2025, but we're gonna finish strong in 2024 and go from there.

Aaron

00:15:02 – 00:15:05

K. Whew. Alright. Well, we're we're

Ian

00:15:05 – 00:15:08

glad to have that. Yeah. Alright.

Aaron

00:15:08 – 00:15:11

So we have a we have a ton to cover. Where do you where do you wanna

Ian

00:15:11 – 00:15:20

I don't see. Of the stuff I, like, super missed on your end, what about, you had a plumbing update as this nearer term thing. Do you wanna give us the plumbing update you last week?

Aaron

00:15:20 – 00:15:26

Different kind of plumbing, but yes. Yeah. So this freaking house, man, got this house

Ian

00:15:26 – 00:15:28

Homeownership. Remodeled it.

Aaron

00:15:28 – 00:15:34

Contractors are the worst. How are they all so bad? Yeah. How are they all so bad? Don't we just.

Aaron

00:15:34 – 00:15:34

We should

Ian

00:15:34 – 00:15:36

open a contracting business.

Aaron

00:15:36 – 00:15:39

Oh, my gosh. We would be good because we're not. Yeah.

Ian

00:15:40 – 00:15:41

We can answer the phone.

Aaron

00:15:41 – 00:15:57

Yeah. We can answer the phone. So, yeah, we got we got, this tile in our master shower, and now it's all discolored. It's marble, so it's like, well, that's porous, but we got this super special seal put on it. Right?

Aaron

00:15:57 – 00:16:08

Mhmm. But it's being discolored from underneath. So the shower pan is not draining correctly. So it's retaining water underneath, and then the tile is soaking it up.

Ian

00:16:09 – 00:16:12

So It's not it's not sealed on the underside, probably.

Aaron

00:16:12 – 00:16:25

Of course not. It was supposed to drain down there. So we had a, you know, we had a plumber come out, not associated with the contractor, and he was like, yeah. I'm pretty sure they didn't install the shower pan wrong, but I can't see it. So Right.

Aaron

00:16:25 – 00:16:38

Good luck. But, also, under the house, they did everything wrong. Like, this is not up to code. There's a vent down there that is not allowed to vent in the crawl space. They did an s trap when they should have done a p trap, and I'm like, yeah.

Aaron

00:16:38 – 00:16:40

Definitely. Definitely. Definitely. Oh

Ian

00:16:40 – 00:16:41

my gosh.

Aaron

00:16:41 – 00:17:00

Now I'm just like, okay. So did they do all of this stuff wrong? So I call the contractor out. He brings out an inspector, one of his friends, of course, but he's a licensed inspector, and he's actually a a student of, Chris Morales, boss man Chris. I was like, so where do you you know, what's your license?

Aaron

00:17:00 – 00:17:05

He's like, well, have you heard of InterNACHI? And I was like, have I heard of InterNACHI? Boy, haven't I?

Ian

00:17:05 – 00:17:05

So funny.

Aaron

00:17:06 – 00:17:16

So this this, this inspector looks at the shower, and he's like, yeah. I can't tell. There's you know, it's all sealed up. Let me look under the house. He looks under the house, and he's like, you know, it looks good to me.

Aaron

00:17:16 – 00:17:29

But if in this situation, I would call out a licensed plumber because I'm not a licensed plumber. And I'm like, yeah. I'm freaking kidding. So then I call out. I have a friend who is a master plumber, and now he has his own plumbing company.

Ian

00:17:29 – 00:17:29

Mhmm.

Aaron

00:17:29 – 00:17:38

So I text him, and I'm like, Elisha, I need one of your guys. Can you send out one of your guys? So he sends out one of his guys. Totally agrees. Everything is done completely wrong.

Aaron

00:17:38 – 00:17:46

He's like, this vent this vent that is under the house actually needs to go up through the wall and out the roof.

Ian

00:17:46 – 00:17:50

Oh my gosh. That's a that's a big one. That's a big one.

Aaron

00:17:50 – 00:17:58

It's not just, like, put a different vent or vent to an exterior wall. He's like, no. No. No. This has to go all the way up through the wall.

Aaron

00:17:58 – 00:18:02

So they're probably gonna have to rip open some walls. And I'm like, you've got to be kidding me.

Ian

00:18:02 – 00:18:02

Got it.

Aaron

00:18:02 – 00:18:11

So I, you know, I request a report from them. I'm like, listen. I need I need specific code citations. Yeah. And so Documents.

Aaron

00:18:12 – 00:18:31

My friend my friend, like, looked up in the plumbing code, and he probably knew it off the top of his head, but he looked it up and sent me back, like, plumbing code rules. Here's why this is illegal. And so I sent it back to the contractor, and I'm still waiting. And then on the tile stuff, I'm like, guys, I just want everyone out of my life. This is all that I want.

Aaron

00:18:31 – 00:18:39

I just want you all to go away. Right. I want my house to be, like, not growing mold, but I also want you to all go away.

Ian

00:18:39 – 00:18:39

Right.

Aaron

00:18:39 – 00:18:48

And so the contractor you know, it's a fight between, oh, did the contractor do it wrong, or did the ceiling company do it wrong? And I'm stuck in the middle being like, I don't care. Y'all figure

Ian

00:18:48 – 00:18:49

it out.

Aaron

00:18:49 – 00:18:59

But they're, you know, fighting, and they're forefighting with me, and I hate it. And so the contractor's like, listen. What if we just tile over the tile? And that way, it's done. It's fixed.

Aaron

00:18:59 – 00:19:19

We have a new tile in there. And I'm like, that's fine. However, we're gonna cut out a six by six square of the existing tile first with your plumber and my plumber there, and we're gonna see if that shower pan is retaining water. Because if that shower pan is retaining water, it's all coming out, and you are paying for it.

Ian

00:19:19 – 00:19:23

Yeah. Because just putting it over the top, that doesn't make no sense at all.

Aaron

00:19:23 – 00:19:37

Exactly. And I'm like, okay. If if the tile sucks, if this tile sucks and we cut out a six by six square and we we look at the shower pan and it's sloped and it's bone dry, fine. I picked a bad tile. Joke's on me.

Aaron

00:19:37 – 00:20:09

But if we cut this out and it's all wet down there listen. You are redoing all of this for free. So I'm just like, with everything else that's going on, I am just at my wits end with this, like, remodel. I'm so over it, and I'm so freaking depressed about it because I'm like, do it right and get out of my life. And they just and they're gonna have to redo parts of the wood floors too because they didn't let they didn't let the wood condition, and now it's all, like, cracked and bowed.

Aaron

00:20:09 – 00:20:10

And I'm like Yeah.

Ian

00:20:10 – 00:20:12

You gotta let the wood condition. That's, like, the most basic

Aaron

00:20:12 – 00:20:14

I don't remember. That. Yes.

Ian

00:20:15 – 00:20:20

They park the wood inside the house for, like I know. Weeks or whatever. I know. That's, like, when they did our floors. You know?

Ian

00:20:20 – 00:20:22

The the wood just sits here until

Aaron

00:20:22 – 00:20:30

Freaking dummies. So I'm just I'm just furious. I'm exhausted. I'm not paying for any of it. That's for sure.

Aaron

00:20:31 – 00:20:39

But, you know, I don't like fighting. So it's like I'm stuck in the middle with this contractor being like, we're we'll do everything we can to make it right. Also, it's not our fault. And I'm like,

Ian

00:20:40 – 00:20:50

I mean, the floor, that's a really big inconvenience. Ripping out Yes. Flooring and It is. Sanding and refinishing and hoping they don't screw it up, but it actually matches the rest. And Exactly.

Ian

00:20:50 – 00:20:56

What about the rest? Like, it's not bowed now. Is it gonna be bowed in a year? Because it wasn't right. Like

Aaron

00:20:56 – 00:20:59

I know. I know. I know. Wow. So

Ian

00:21:00 – 00:21:08

You know what other people do in this situation? Move. That's that's exactly what they do. They sell the house. They get the hell out of there.

Aaron

00:21:08 – 00:21:11

Yeah. But Once once Steve and I are super rich,

Ian

00:21:12 – 00:21:13

which is coming do it.

Aaron

00:21:13 – 00:21:18

I'm out, man. Yeah. I'm I am buying a house that is completely finished.

Ian

00:21:19 – 00:21:20

One little thing

Aaron

00:21:20 – 00:21:28

Just, like, built five years ago and looks perfect. Right. And then the executive got called to a foreign country and had to sell his house. I'm like, that's the one I want.

Ian

00:21:28 – 00:21:31

That's you. Yeah. Pick some oil guy's house.

Aaron

00:21:31 – 00:21:32

Like, you know

Ian

00:21:32 – 00:21:33

you know it's good. It's Exactly.

Aaron

00:21:33 – 00:21:37

He overpaid. He overbuilt, and now they've gotta go. And it's like, that's my house now.

Ian

00:21:37 – 00:21:58

Yeah. We had a quasi similar thing when we built our house in terms of for your for your venting thing. It depends a little bit on exactly where it is. But, basically, they were finishing the outside of the house, and they nail gun through Freon line for the or whatever for the AC stuff. And, you know, the house is, like, all done, and this line's in this exterior wall.

Ian

00:21:59 – 00:22:17

And what are we gonna do about that? God, I wasn't really keen on, like, ripping through all the walls to get up because that was the line to the Second Floor Air Handler, blah, blah. Mhmm. So we ended up just having them punch outside the house there and take it up the side of the house up in to where they needed to go. There's like a cover on it.

Ian

00:22:17 – 00:22:34

And it's like the side of the house that faces nothing. So it's like, whoever who cares? So that could be an option for this venting. It's like just pop it outside, then go up over the root through the roof on the through the eve, potentially if it's not like the front of the house or if they can run it towards the back and out or whatever where someone don't care so much about

Aaron

00:22:34 – 00:22:57

Hopefully, that's possible because yeah. Right up I I don't understand I don't understand how the old shower was set up because I don't think, like, right above our our bathroom is the kids' room, and I you know, they're not running a vent through there. So I don't I don't even understand how it ever worked. But, fortunately, that's not my problem. If you come and do a remodel, I expect you to do it up to code, so it's not really my problem.

Ian

00:22:57 – 00:23:08

Yeah. That part's true. But the part that is your problem is when they rip through all the walls to do it, and then they screw that up, like Yeah. Which is, yeah, not your problem in the sense of, like, well, they just have to come back. Problem.

Ian

00:23:08 – 00:23:23

But, like yeah. But, like, at some point, like, a year and a half from that when you're like, oh, you gotta come back because when you ripped through this other thing and broke the other thing Yeah. That you didn't know was there and blah blah blah, like, you know, all that stuff is as much of a nightmare. Even if you're not paying for it, it's still a disaster. Yeah.

Aaron

00:23:23 – 00:23:27

Super depressing. So Yeah. Not great. Not great.

Ian

00:23:27 – 00:23:31

So that's not gonna involve me. It's just stupid. Solve all of my problems?

Aaron

00:23:31 – 00:23:35

Money. That would solve all of my problem. People keep saying, like, money won't solve your problems. I'm like,

Ian

00:23:35 – 00:23:38

I'd like to try. Insane. Those four are no idea.

Aaron

00:23:38 – 00:23:39

To try.

Ian

00:23:39 – 00:23:46

What they're talking about. The money doesn't solve all your problem. People literally have no idea what they're talking about. Like, it doesn't fine. It doesn't solve

Aaron

00:23:47 – 00:23:48

every single problem. Problems.

Ian

00:23:48 – 00:23:49

It solves your

Aaron

00:23:49 – 00:23:52

solves your plumbing problems. And, honestly, that's all I care about

Ian

00:23:52 – 00:23:53

right now. Good. Yes.

Aaron

00:23:53 – 00:24:05

That's a big that's a whole lot of problems. Plumbing and AC, that you can throw money at, and it will just get better. You know, like happiness and, you know, raising children and stuff, that's different. But plumbing and AC, those are all my problems. Those are the only problems I have.

Aaron

00:24:05 – 00:24:09

I'm a little bit sleepy, but plumbing and AC, those are my real problems.

Ian

00:24:10 – 00:24:16

Money can even help with the sleepy. You can have a team of people in there waking up, taking care of kids all night long.

Aaron

00:24:16 – 00:24:17

That's what I'm talking about.

Ian

00:24:17 – 00:24:25

So not great. Well, how was Laracon? So you were all over the place. You were coaching. I know you went through this already, but, like, with you know, I don't know.

Ian

00:24:25 – 00:24:31

Give me your vibe. I I didn't get the firsthand accounting. Were there any highlights we didn't talk about yet? Like, how was hosting?

Aaron

00:24:32 – 00:24:35

Okay. So hosting is great. I love I love

Ian

00:24:35 – 00:24:36

I love hosting.

Aaron

00:24:36 – 00:24:47

I love being the host. It's great. It's so fun. So that part was super fun. I like, you know, I like taking care of, you know, hospitality.

Aaron

00:24:47 – 00:25:01

If if you wanna call it a spiritual gift, hospitality is what we would call that. So I like taking care of the speakers and the people and making sure that everybody has what they need and things flow smoothly, making sure the audience knows what's coming next, that kind of stuff.

Ian

00:25:01 – 00:25:12

Yeah. I think I hosted the first two Laracon US's, and, like, it's it's, like, all the best parts of speaking. Like, everybody knows who you are. Lots of big conversations. Your backstage is fun.

Ian

00:25:12 – 00:25:24

You're mixing it up with everybody. You go but you just, like, go out and tell a few jokes and, like, you know, transition some people and that's it. Like, it's not, like, months of, like, all this talk and and we're gonna screw it up. It's all this pressure. Like, there's no pressure.

Ian

00:25:24 – 00:25:27

You're, like, wander out there. You just be jovial.

Aaron

00:25:27 – 00:25:28

Yep. That's great.

Ian

00:25:28 – 00:25:29

Love the host then.

Aaron

00:25:29 – 00:25:36

You just get to go be folksy on stage. Right. There's nothing wrong with that. That's amazing. That's all I ever wanna do.

Aaron

00:25:36 – 00:25:49

Yeah. So, yeah, I'm listening to, like, Daniel and Caleb talk about their talk preps and how they've been working on it for months. And somebody I don't know if it was Jennifer or somebody else asked me if I was prepping to be MC, and I was like, no. No. Not really.

Aaron

00:25:49 – 00:25:55

I just I just gotta show up. Yeah. Show up, point at some people, tell a few jokes, get off the stage. That's great.

Ian

00:25:55 – 00:26:00

So more prep for the basketball game. You're out there buying suits or whatever or buying whistles, whatever you're doing.

Aaron

00:26:01 – 00:26:08

Yeah. I sure did. So for the basketball game, I did buy, I bought a new pair of shoes that matched a suit I already had. So I didn't buy

Ian

00:26:08 – 00:26:08

a new

Aaron

00:26:08 – 00:26:17

suit, but I bought a new pair of Nikes that matched the suit. Got a got a whistle, a coach's whiteboard, and a basketball for dummies book. Just a

Ian

00:26:17 – 00:26:18

Way more stuff than Posey.

Aaron

00:26:19 – 00:26:29

So fun. So hysterical. And then so we'll back up. Let's go to the basketball game. So, you know, I show up, first of all, David Hill, which is different than David Hemphill.

Aaron

00:26:29 – 00:26:36

Somehow we have both in the community. David David Hill name. Somebody. David Hill messaged me and was like, hey. You wanna play basketball?

Aaron

00:26:36 – 00:26:44

I was like, hey. I sure don't. Pretty pretty terrible at it, and I do not wanna play. And so he's like, okay. Well, you can be the coach.

Aaron

00:26:44 – 00:26:55

Now that now that I can do. A little a little bit. A little acting, I can do that for sure. Yeah. So, yeah, you know, I leaned into the bit as as I do, and then I get there.

Aaron

00:26:55 – 00:27:12

Turns out, there are some serious players. Not only are there some serious players, there are some players that seriously wanna win. And so I I huddled up our team, early on, and I was like, hey, y'all. Here's the deal. I'm just here to be funny, so you don't have to listen to anything that I say.

Aaron

00:27:13 – 00:27:21

And I said, one thing I can actually do is, like, if you come tell me this person needs to come off the court, I can call out their name so that I'm the bad guy. Like

Ian

00:27:22 – 00:27:22

Yeah.

Aaron

00:27:22 – 00:27:24

That that I can do. I can totally Take

Ian

00:27:24 – 00:27:25

a little heat. Yeah.

Aaron

00:27:25 – 00:27:37

Yeah. Exactly. And so that was basically my only role. It was, like, walk up and down the sidelines, clap, yell, make some jokes, and then pull people off, except unless your name was Taylor or Tom. I wasn't touching those players.

Aaron

00:27:37 – 00:27:53

Or you can stay on you can stay on the whole game if you want. Not my deal. So it was it was a lot of fun. Laravel team got shellacked, but it was, still a lot of fun. Turns out the Primogen is incredibly fast for being, like, 37 or 38 and

Ian

00:27:53 – 00:27:54

What do they know?

Aaron

00:27:54 – 00:28:09

Very good. And then they they also had some some very good basketball players, and it was fun. It was just it was so silly. I think next year, if we do something like this again, it should be sillier. It should be like dodgeball or something.

Ian

00:28:09 – 00:28:13

Dodgeball. What that would be fun. Yeah. That's a good idea. Well, that was

Aaron

00:28:13 – 00:28:14

It was good.

Ian

00:28:14 – 00:28:34

I think, they've talked about this on no plans to merge when I was lying around sickly listening to all the podcast, but and they were, like, surprised. They were like, oh, we thought it was gonna be fun, and it'll be jovial. And I was like, I never for one second thought this would be fun and jovial. Like, Taylor's been out there wanting to kill people and, like, dunk on heads. Like, don't don't want

Aaron

00:28:34 – 00:28:37

me about this. College basketball. Yeah. Yeah.

Ian

00:28:37 – 00:28:53

And the private gen, he doesn't seem like the kind of guy who's I mean, he's, like, funny, but also intense. And, like, a guy that intense doesn't seem to me like he's gonna be out there just, like, trying to be, like, the Harlem Globetrotters and horsing around. He's like, I'm gonna go out there and crush you. Like, that I want the bragging rights. Like, and Yeah.

Ian

00:28:53 – 00:28:53

That

Aaron

00:28:53 – 00:28:55

from the beginning of the year.

Ian

00:28:55 – 00:28:56

For sure.

Aaron

00:28:56 – 00:28:59

That's why I said no because I thought there's no

Ian

00:28:59 – 00:29:00

way to heal. Yeah.

Aaron

00:29:00 – 00:29:12

Yeah. If I had thought it was a comedy routine, I would have said yes immediately. But I sidestepped into the comedy routine of being coached because I thought there's no freaking way I'm gonna drag this team down. No way.

Ian

00:29:13 – 00:29:22

That would be great, though, because it also would let maybe more of the community. You can even, like, a dodgeball tournament or whatever. It's, like, not so intense. You can just kinda walk around and throw the ball.

Aaron

00:29:22 – 00:29:28

Yeah. Imagine imagine getting, like, five on five teams and doing, like, a little tournament. You know? Yeah.

Ian

00:29:28 – 00:29:29

That would be fun.

Aaron

00:29:29 – 00:29:30

Teams and you play a little

Ian

00:29:30 – 00:29:31

five on five and then Yeah.

Aaron

00:29:31 – 00:29:32

That that would

Ian

00:29:32 – 00:29:34

be a lot of fun. I would love that one. Be really fun.

Aaron

00:29:34 – 00:29:47

And that's And it serves it serves a very useful, a very useful purpose of, like, getting people in town and getting them immediately a place to, like, meet in a low low pressure environment.

Ian

00:29:47 – 00:29:47

Yeah.

Aaron

00:29:47 – 00:29:59

And then throughout the rest of the conference, you're like, oh, hey. We were at basketball together. Can I come sit with you at lunch or whatever? And that, like, that's a pretty big service to a lot of, you know, the people attending, in my opinion.

Ian

00:29:59 – 00:30:23

Yeah. I think I can imagine even having more than eight teams. I wouldn't be surprised if you had quite a few people who signed up for something that was a little less intense than basketball. And, yeah, I think it also gives people a chance. Like, everybody loves interacting with, like, you know, both, like you're saying, like me, meeting new people and just like them having that conference friend that you can, do stuff with, but even just like, hey, I was on a dodgeball team with Taylor or whatever.

Ian

00:30:23 – 00:30:35

And I bounced the ball off Taylor's head and that was hysterical or whatever. You know, it's like, that's cool, like, to get in close with the the stars, versus them just being on stage. So, yeah, that that's a good idea.

Aaron

00:30:35 – 00:30:43

But it was fun. It was a lot of fun. So after that, we did, speakers dinner. One one thing, don't listen to Caleb about Dallas. Dallas rules.

Aaron

00:30:43 – 00:30:53

Don't listen to Caleb. Caleb doesn't know anything. Caleb lives in a sleepy a sleepy little hamlet in Buffalo. He doesn't know anything about Dallas. One thing that was great one thing

Ian

00:30:53 – 00:30:53

that was

Aaron

00:30:53 – 00:31:13

great about Deep Ellum, which is where the conference was, it was all walkable. So from their hotel obviously, I live here, so I stayed at home. But from their hotel to the speaker dinner to, the venue to Laracon after dark to the barbecue place, everything was walkable, and it was awesome. Were there roads? There were roads.

Aaron

00:31:13 – 00:31:16

But, hey, where are there not roads? You know?

Ian

00:31:16 – 00:31:16

Roads everywhere.

Aaron

00:31:16 – 00:31:24

Mack Mackinac Island, that's the only place there aren't roads. But here in the city, the city where I live, the city, not

Ian

00:31:24 – 00:31:25

the suburbs. The suburban

Aaron

00:31:25 – 00:31:26

Yeah. The city.

Ian

00:31:26 – 00:31:26

The suburbs.

Aaron

00:31:26 – 00:31:32

There are roads. And you know what? You just gotta look out for the roads. That's all. But beyond that, it's just awesome.

Ian

00:31:32 – 00:31:36

Cross these 10 lane highways, just a little frogger style.

Aaron

00:31:36 – 00:31:36

Exactly.

Ian

00:31:37 – 00:31:44

I like it. Yeah. It sounds like it was I didn't hear many people, like, super complaining about the heat. Was it not, like, max heat, or

Aaron

00:31:44 – 00:31:54

was it cool that heat, surprisingly. It was it was hot, but, like, the the Laracon after dark was outside, and it Mhmm. Honestly, it wasn't that bad.

Ian

00:31:55 – 00:31:55

Okay.

Aaron

00:31:55 – 00:32:01

Cool. We had we had a little bit of a respite. I don't think it was in the hundreds while while people were here.

Ian

00:32:02 – 00:32:02

Yeah.

Aaron

00:32:03 – 00:32:11

So that turned out to be fine. And I actually did hear several people say it's not as hot as I expected it to be. Right. It's like, oh, well, that's good.

Ian

00:32:11 – 00:32:15

Is that is Dallas a dry heat or or a wet heat zone?

Aaron

00:32:16 – 00:32:21

It is not Scottsdale dry, but it's also not Houston always humid.

Ian

00:32:21 – 00:32:22

Okay.

Aaron

00:32:22 – 00:32:30

Like, the past few days have been quite humid, but it's not like, oh, you go to go to Dallas, that's gonna be humid. That's just auto auto humidity. Not no. No. No.

Aaron

00:32:31 – 00:32:34

Okay. So when people were here, I don't think it was very humid.

Ian

00:32:34 – 00:32:37

Yeah. Alright. I like that. Yeah. I don't know if I had anything else.

Ian

00:32:37 – 00:32:45

It seemed like it all went pretty well. I heard you guys. You know, there's a couple improvement potential, but that's always the case in the conferences, so that's fine.

Aaron

00:32:45 – 00:32:51

Yeah. Any anything to improve is tinkering at the margins. I still think this is the best conference by leaps and bounds.

Ian

00:32:51 – 00:33:03

Yeah. It's so good. And though people are always happy, I'd say, and seems to just always go off well. Even when there are hitches, it's like it still it works out. Like, even with you on stage with Caleb and whatever technical glitch, but Really?

Ian

00:33:03 – 00:33:04

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Aaron

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Aaron

00:34:43 – 00:34:51

Okay. Back to the show. Okay. So shortly oh, I haven't gotten your take on this. Shortly after the conference was the big $57,000,000 announcement.

Ian

00:34:53 – 00:34:53

Yes.

Aaron

00:34:53 – 00:34:59

Yes. So what are your what are your thoughts on it, and what are your thoughts on people's thoughts? Let's do a derivative.

Ian

00:34:59 – 00:35:06

Man, I love that you are becoming the Johnny Carson of the Laravel community. That's the first thing. Let's just start there.

Aaron

00:35:06 – 00:35:07

Oh, it's great.

Ian

00:35:07 – 00:35:16

It's awesome. Great. We need this. Other communities don't have that. I think it's a little another little, like, community advantage Laravel can lean into a little bit.

Ian

00:35:16 – 00:35:20

Mhmm. But, yeah, I thought, like, you sitting down with Taylor was so good.

Aaron

00:35:21 – 00:35:24

In that was just the multipurpose room in the apartment. Isn't that crazy? Ridiculous.

Ian

00:35:24 – 00:35:25

It's ridiculous.

Aaron

00:35:25 – 00:35:39

Freaking Steve. He put it together. We we moved a bunch of furniture. I bought I brought some plants down from my studio and put them in the background, and we we, like, we worked real hard on getting it to look right. But it was just like the pool table room right off the pool.

Aaron

00:35:39 – 00:35:40

You know?

Ian

00:35:40 – 00:35:48

It's like, look at this guy. It's like Oprah out there. He's got the two chairs right back to each other. He's, like, diving in deep with everything. Yeah.

Ian

00:35:48 – 00:35:53

Yeah. No. It was it was great. Yeah. With the money itself, I mean, I think it's awesome.

Ian

00:35:53 – 00:36:10

Like, I mean, you know, I think Taylor's ambition like, at certain point, like, yeah, like, could he have done it without it? Maybe. But I think their vision is like, you know, really huge. And when you get into like, we're going to need thousands of servers and things like that. It just gets to be where you're going

Aaron

00:36:10 – 00:36:11

to need.

Ian

00:36:11 – 00:36:30

Yeah. You want to be able to hire. I have no inside information here, but let's just say you want to have like some really good security people and those people are going to cost $700,000 a year or whatever. Like that's a lot harder on the bootstrapper, even a very profitable bootstrap company. It's like, well, I'm paying one person an incredible amount of money.

Aaron

00:36:30 – 00:36:31

I I should get into security. That's not

Ian

00:36:31 – 00:36:33

You should get somebody should be into security.

Aaron

00:36:33 – 00:36:34

The hell am I doing?

Ian

00:36:34 – 00:37:02

But, you know, I'm just making up numbers here, but, like, whatever. You're gonna need more specialized help most likely than, you would for something like Forge. And also, especially if you wanna get into, like, you know, one of the things that's hard, even for my own use of it at times is like, they're not SOC two and things like that. And so, you know, I think getting all those things done takes people and money and time and all that. So, yeah, I think it's great.

Ian

00:37:02 – 00:37:29

I mean, the big amount of money, so the big expectations, definitely a lot of pressure, on Taylor, anyway, but, Yeah. We'll see how it goes. Hopefully it doesn't change the community too much and stuff. I don't think, I think so far it's been great and there's been no down visible downsides. It's like all the, all the people in the community are getting hired to work at Laravel.

Ian

00:37:29 – 00:37:42

So it's been a been a make work, plan for the Laravel community. It's a VC jobs program at this point. Yeah. And it's kinda interesting too because I think, like, they've hired a lot of people. Right?

Ian

00:37:42 – 00:37:44

But it's not an insane number of people. It's

Aaron

00:37:44 – 00:37:46

like No. Not for what they've done slash or

Ian

00:37:46 – 00:37:58

Yeah. I think he said what's, like, 30 something people so far, which isn't that for the amount of money they have. It's not that many people, and it's not that many more than Taylor probably could have afforded even on his own at the point.

Aaron

00:37:58 – 00:38:14

But like, all the finance and operations people. So you look at, like, the the, engineering output of what they've done so far, and you hear 30 people and you're like, well, probably 20 engineers, maybe. I don't Right. I don't know the makeup of the team, but it's still incredibly productive so far. Yeah.

Aaron

00:38:14 – 00:38:15

And

Ian

00:38:15 – 00:38:32

I think it'll be really cool that you're probably gonna see just so many more. You know, at the end of the day, Taylor loves building things. Right. And so I think we'll probably see more products. So you have like Laravel Cloud, which is, will be like the flagship and the thing they hope, you know, makes them all fabulously wealthy.

Ian

00:38:33 – 00:39:00

But I wouldn't be surprised if there's a bunch of other things like, I mean, obviously it already has another product that's coming out soon. It sounds like. And, I wouldn't be surprised if they kind of keep that up and have some like skunk works teams that are kind of always fiddling on other cool directions and product ideas and things like that. So, yeah, I think it's great. I mean, Hey, it'd be cool to have our own, you know, sort of visionary leader in our circles here and

Aaron

00:39:00 – 00:39:01

Mhmm.

Ian

00:39:01 – 00:39:21

As that grows and becomes bigger. But, yeah, I know some people were worried about it. I mean, I'm not particularly worried about like the open source end of things and stuff. I feel like that's gonna still be rock solid, and they're still gonna be shipping a lot of great stuff into Laravel. But, but it's also not unreasonable to think about.

Ian

00:39:21 – 00:39:22

But, yeah, I think it's great.

Aaron

00:39:22 – 00:39:45

Yeah. That was the only that was the only, I think, response So I think the only response I saw of concern was, like, does this change the open source story, vibe, future? And, of course, Taylor has said no many times. I'm I'm inclined to believe that he is, he's telling the truth on that. I don't I don't think it's gonna change the open source stuff at all.

Aaron

00:39:45 – 00:39:52

I mean, there's, like, 40 open source Laravel packages. Open source is pretty big deal, to Laravel, so I think it'll

Ian

00:39:52 – 00:40:29

be a good one. And the whole thing with Laravel, right, one of the biggest advantages that it's ever had and always had is that it's always been sustainably kind of run-in terms of there's been revenue sources for it since the beginning. And so like, that's a big part of why there's 40 open source packages and why there's a release every week and all these things is because there's actually money behind it. That's not just like how most open source runs, which is like, hopefully some big company that really depends on this will throw us a few bucks and we can sort of make it another year. It's like, no.

Ian

00:40:29 – 00:40:41

There's actual money. It's tied in with the products. There's motive. It's everything's aligned and the motivation is clear and there to, like, keep making the open source version better. And so I think that's still true.

Ian

00:40:41 – 00:40:46

And so that just seems like it's gonna be really good for the open source end of things.

Aaron

00:40:47 – 00:40:53

The funniest thing I saw was like, oh, man. So Laravel's a business now? And I'm like, oh, I got bad news for you.

Ian

00:40:53 – 00:40:55

Bad news, buddy, for the business.

Aaron

00:40:55 – 00:41:06

Good. Who knows? Laravel's been in business for, like, ten years or more. Yep. I don't remember when Forge was launched, but it was a long time ago, and it's been a business Yeah.

Aaron

00:41:06 – 00:41:07

Since then.

Ian

00:41:07 – 00:41:13

When was that? Like, 02/2014 maybe or something like that? So. Maybe even '13 or something. I don't know.

Ian

00:41:13 – 00:41:19

Yeah. Yeah. And it was, like, successful really early. Like, that's what Taylor still worked here. And I was like, dude, you gotta go.

Ian

00:41:19 – 00:41:31

Like Yeah. You're like it's, like, made, like, you know, a hundred grand in a couple months or something. Like, you gotta go do this. Like, you can't be like, this is not a side project. This is, like, a thing.

Ian

00:41:31 – 00:41:32

This is real. It needs all your attention. So

Aaron

00:41:33 – 00:41:38

Yeah. So how much did you get from Excel for being the godfather? 5,000,000 to nothing.

Ian

00:41:38 – 00:41:48

Zero godfather money. I know. They pay no respect to the godfather. It just someday, they'll have to come pay their respect. It's gonna be just like the scene in the beginning of godfather.

Ian

00:41:48 – 00:41:57

Oh, no swear. Where oh, the beginning of godfather. Where the I've seen any of it. Under where the undertaker comes and talks to the godfather. You haven't.

Ian

00:41:57 – 00:41:59

How do we even have a podcast? This is ridiculous.

Aaron

00:41:59 – 00:42:02

You know, future content. I'm reserving it for future content.

Ian

00:42:02 – 00:42:06

We should do the godfather episode. We should do the watch along. What if we get a watch along?

Aaron

00:42:06 – 00:42:09

Oh, the watch along. Isn't it, like, three hours long?

Ian

00:42:09 – 00:42:19

It is three hours, but every minute is riveting, so it's fine. It goes by in Okay. We'll see. We gotta get some time for you to watch the godfather. Like, you just gotta let

Aaron

00:42:19 – 00:42:22

go time for me, full stop. Just time.

Ian

00:42:22 – 00:42:23

Just be there.

Aaron

00:42:24 – 00:42:34

Listen. When I have my surgery upcoming to make sure that, to make sure that we don't have any more sets of twins, that that's on the horizon. Maybe I'll get a hotel room and watch The Godfather.

Ian

00:42:34 – 00:42:37

Wow. Yes. Yes. Do what it's

Aaron

00:42:37 – 00:42:38

about. Right?

Ian

00:42:38 – 00:42:39

Because I can't I can't lift.

Aaron

00:42:39 – 00:42:47

I can't lift, and so I don't want a kid running up to me and instinctively, like, lifting them up and, like, you know, exploding down there. So we'll see.

Ian

00:42:47 – 00:42:52

That'd be bad. That'd be bad. You don't want that. That'd be bad. Yeah.

Ian

00:42:52 – 00:42:56

I love this idea. Tie those things together. I think it's perfect. Right? Yeah.

Ian

00:42:56 – 00:43:02

Yeah. Then we'll do the the vasectomy godfather episode of MT here.

Aaron

00:43:02 – 00:43:08

We're gonna get so many so many content warnings on on, iTunes or Apple Music or whatever.

Ian

00:43:08 – 00:43:09

Man.

Aaron

00:43:10 – 00:43:10

Oh, jeez.

Ian

00:43:10 – 00:43:22

That's a medical procedure. One of the other one, which I've also had and which is one of the, one of the ones that's above gallbladder removal in top, five. Oh, top

Aaron

00:43:22 – 00:43:23

five most common? That's great.

Ian

00:43:23 – 00:43:31

Yeah. So you're you should be yeah. Or what's it? Eight. Anyway, it's in the it's very it's in the very high percentage of, yeah, top 10 for sure.

Ian

00:43:33 – 00:43:36

Yeah. Interesting. When's that happening? Do we have a date?

Aaron

00:43:37 – 00:43:44

I think we do have a date, in fact. Okay. It's it's after Postgres. I think it's, like, early mid November or something

Ian

00:43:44 – 00:43:47

like that. Oh, we'll look forward to that.

Aaron

00:43:47 – 00:43:48

Yeah. Yeah.

Ian

00:43:48 – 00:43:49

Well Exciting.

Aaron

00:43:49 – 00:44:06

Yeah. There there are times when I think, like, what in the world would we do, even at this point, if we had a singleton? Might to say nothing of multiples again. I Wow. I might I don't know if I could physically do it.

Ian

00:44:06 – 00:44:08

Yeah. I couldn't

Aaron

00:44:08 – 00:44:10

I couldn't mentally do it. That much, I know.

Ian

00:44:10 – 00:44:11

But I might I might

Aaron

00:44:11 – 00:44:15

physically Right. Die if we had twins again.

Ian

00:44:15 – 00:44:21

Yes. No. Twins for sure. You're you're a goner if you get twins again. Like, that would be all some kind of record.

Ian

00:44:21 – 00:44:23

How many times can people have twins?

Aaron

00:44:23 – 00:44:24

I don't know, man.

Ian

00:44:24 – 00:44:34

But I don't know. Multiple kids. But, yeah. Jamie says this all the time. Like, cause I've always more like, ah, like I just love the baby phase, even though it's, I mean, it's wrecked me physically every time.

Ian

00:44:34 – 00:44:49

Cause it totally destroys my sleep and I'm not good when I don't get enough sleep. And so it always wrecked me, but I just love the baby and toddler phase. And she's always like, like, no, no, no, no. Like I would die. I would literally die.

Ian

00:44:49 – 00:44:55

That would be it. I can't do it. Yeah. So when you get up those, yeah, you got the four. That's enough.

Ian

00:44:55 – 00:44:56

You're you're

Aaron

00:44:56 – 00:44:57

good. Four is plenty.

Ian

00:44:57 – 00:44:58

Yeah. You're good.

Aaron

00:44:58 – 00:44:59

Four four is plenty.

Ian

00:45:00 – 00:45:03

You've done your part for side of growth and all that stuff.

Aaron

00:45:03 – 00:45:07

Keep the birth rate up and listen. Y'all gotta pick up the slack here.

Ian

00:45:07 – 00:45:08

I'm good. Everybody else. Yeah.

Aaron

00:45:09 – 00:45:11

Yeah. The rest of it's up to y'all. I did

Ian

00:45:11 – 00:45:15

my part. You techies out there. You're all smart. You're doing

Aaron

00:45:15 – 00:45:18

well. You're all rich. Got a bunch of kids. Yeah.

Ian

00:45:18 – 00:45:19

Me and Aaron have done

Aaron

00:45:19 – 00:45:20

our part.

Ian

00:45:20 – 00:45:23

We're above replacement. Just, like, get out there and

Aaron

00:45:23 – 00:45:26

do it. Jeez. Yeah. Okay. So no money for the godfather.

Aaron

00:45:26 – 00:45:27

That's too bad.

Ian

00:45:27 – 00:45:36

Money for the godfather. Don't be out here thinking the godfather got paid. Godfather didn't get paid, but that's alright. I like it for the community. I don't need to get paid.

Ian

00:45:36 – 00:45:43

I like the I I the, I can't think of the word. The adulation? I don't know. I like being the godfather. That's all I need.

Ian

00:45:43 – 00:45:52

I get paid in respect. That's how the godfather likes getting paid. He cares about the money, but he cares way more about respect. Respect is his real thing that that he's got no currency.

Aaron

00:45:52 – 00:45:52

No respect.

Ian

00:45:52 – 00:45:53

That's his

Aaron

00:45:53 – 00:45:56

I like that. Okay. Yeah. Well, respect. Godfather.

Aaron

00:45:57 – 00:45:58

To Ian. I know. I know.

Ian

00:45:58 – 00:46:07

Do you understand how much better your life and business is gonna be after you watch Godfather? You're going to make more money. You're going to have a happier family. These are just

Aaron

00:46:07 – 00:46:14

These are not the values I get from, like, the, you know, the marketing of the godfather. Have a better family. That doesn't seem

Ian

00:46:14 – 00:46:28

You're not That doesn't seem like ads, I guess. I don't know. Like Maybe. I'm telling you, go into the approach of what how am I gonna the family elements I'm gonna take out of this and the business elements I'm gonna take out of it. Just have that mindset.

Aaron

00:46:28 – 00:46:30

It's about the mafia. Right?

Ian

00:46:30 – 00:46:33

Yeah. With that love. Familia. Yeah. The family.

Aaron

00:46:33 – 00:46:38

Okay. Perfect. That's kinda what I thought. Speaking of

Ian

00:46:38 – 00:46:38

Yes.

Aaron

00:46:38 – 00:46:40

You think mister Beast is Gordon Gekko?

Ian

00:46:41 – 00:46:43

Mister Beast is freaking Gordon Gekko. Who knew?

Aaron

00:46:43 – 00:46:44

One t

Ian

00:46:44 – 00:46:45

is badass.

Aaron

00:46:45 – 00:46:49

Tweet thread from Ian Lanceman. Twenty seven tweets. I read

Ian

00:46:49 – 00:46:49

them all. I did.

Aaron

00:46:49 – 00:46:50

I read them all.

Ian

00:46:50 – 00:46:50

Did you?

Aaron

00:46:50 – 00:46:52

It was great. It was great.

Ian

00:46:52 – 00:46:52

I loved it.

Aaron

00:46:52 – 00:46:53

It was good.

Ian

00:46:53 – 00:46:53

I know.

Aaron

00:46:53 – 00:46:54

So tell me.

Ian

00:46:54 – 00:47:15

I kinda ran out of steam a little bit, so I don't know. I wasn't super happy with it by the end, but I think it was alright. I know mister b, some production document got, you know, exposed. It's really cool. I think it's just like, he just wrote it and it's pretty obvious that he just wrote this thing and it's like just blank white pages with, like, centered titles and

Aaron

00:47:16 – 00:47:19

a bunch of like balls or lowercase words. And yeah,

Ian

00:47:19 – 00:47:29

like it's like, all over the place in it. And like, so it's not corporate y at all. And it's so bootstrappy. Like, I don't know if Mr. Beast has ever actually raised any money.

Ian

00:47:29 – 00:47:46

I don't think so. But even if he has, it's like was after he was already very successful and already had millions of dollars coming in. And so it's all super bootstrappery mindset. It's so like, I'm the guy who created this thing. I'm not like the guy, the board put in charge of some business.

Ian

00:47:46 – 00:48:02

It's like, this is my baby. I love this channel. And he just loves everything about it. And it's like, he's so deep in it and he's so knowledgeable about this one weird particular thing of making YouTube videos. And, Yeah, it was fascinating.

Ian

00:48:02 – 00:48:34

I don't know if we wanna dig out a few parts, but like, he is like, yeah, he's like Gordon Gekko. He's like a hardcore business dude. Who's like, if you want a friend, get a dog and you're gonna, and it's startup in, in some of these ways, obviously of the, like, you're supposed to bust your ass here and yeah, we're all gonna make you fab. We're gonna make you fabulously wealthy if you do. But, I do think it's a little different to me because it's like, he, they already, I think very profitable or at least if they're not, it's the, with that, like we are intentionally not profitable because we're spending money, in other ways to grow faster.

Ian

00:48:34 – 00:48:47

And so it's just more behind it's like there is actual cash to make you fabulously wealthy, which is very different than there is stock, which might someday make you fabulously wealthy if everything goes perfectly well.

Aaron

00:48:47 – 00:48:50

Yeah. And you don't, you don't get fired before it vests. Right.

Ian

00:48:50 – 00:49:17

And all the games of all that stuff, which is fine. And it's nice to have that lotto ticket, but at the same time, it's like pretty much just a lotto ticket, whereas like, Hey, if you're making amazing videos and all the videos you work on are amazing and we can't afford to lose you no matter what, then we're just gonna dump piles of money on you because every video you make makes 10,000,000. Then that we can make that math work of you being incredibly valuable or whatever. So I think that was all kinda interesting. I don't know.

Ian

00:49:17 – 00:49:21

I don't have the I don't I don't actually well, I'm I'm totally unprepared. I don't have it up in front of me. No. But,

Aaron

00:49:22 – 00:49:38

I think, so I didn't read the document. I just read your thread, and I think Yeah. The the good takeaway was, like, the intense obsession with the goal. Yeah. And the really interesting like, the part that was most interesting to me was, like, we are not here to make the best videos.

Aaron

00:49:38 – 00:49:40

We're here to make the best YouTube videos.

Ian

00:49:40 – 00:49:42

Yes. That's the part that got me too.

Aaron

00:49:42 – 00:50:08

Yeah. I was like, that's actually a very good distinction because either you said it or he said it, that they probably get a lot of Hollywood types in there that want to do stuff that doesn't really work on YouTube, and they're like, listen. Yep. We're not here to make the funniest videos or the most artsy, or we're here to make the best YouTube videos, which is is its own thing, of course. And so I thought that was good to have, like, a a clarifying a clarifying mission statement.

Aaron

00:50:08 – 00:50:21

One thing, I don't know if we've talked about this. One thing that Nathan Barry and I talked about on his podcast was, Steve and I need to have, like, a a through line, like, a this is what we do, and this is who we do it for. And, like, this is

Ian

00:50:22 – 00:50:22

Yep.

Aaron

00:50:22 – 00:50:26

The try hard, like, not mission statement, but kind of.

Ian

00:50:26 – 00:50:30

Yep. Yep. Yeah. We haven't talked about that. We do need to talk about that too.

Ian

00:50:30 – 00:50:42

I I haven't heard the last half of the second episode, and so I sound like I heard that part, which is very annoying. That's good. But, yeah, just to wrap that first part up is, like, yes. He's, like, very specific. Like, we're not making Netflix shows.

Ian

00:50:42 – 00:50:55

We're not doing stuff for TikTok. We're not doing stuff for Instagram. I mean, I'm sure they cut it up and push things there, but that's not what we're doing here. We're making YouTube videos and there is a formula for YouTube videos and we run the formulas. Yep.

Ian

00:50:55 – 00:51:27

And we make, we create the formulas sometimes or whatever, but like, it's always focused on how to make the best YouTube video. And there's all these little gimmicks. I'm sure he knows, you know, there's more than even writes there, but he's like one that he returns to like three separate times is you never, you never sort of, indicate that the end is coming. Like, the it just has to end instantly. And because if you start to indicate that it's coming up on the end and project that.

Aaron

00:51:27 – 00:51:30

We've done another one. You can't give them a wrap up sign.

Ian

00:51:30 – 00:51:45

There's no wrap up sign. Because then like everybody stops watching, I guess, is the issue or whatever. It's like, it just has to end instantly so that the retention curve stays the way that YouTube likes it. Which is mostly flat. You know, meaning mostly people watch right through to the end.

Ian

00:51:45 – 00:52:22

And so if you start having people drop off before the end, then YouTube doesn't the algo doesn't like it and they stop pushing you and blah, blah, blah. So there's all these little things where he has all these intricacies of YouTube, creation that were super fascinating. And, yeah, I I love the idea. I mean, it's definitely something I've never felt like I've nailed in my own business is, like, this is what we do. Like, I mean, I can explain what we do and why HubSpot's important and to the customers it serves, but the it's just never quite that tight as, You know, yes, we are here to make the best YouTube videos and every single thing is in service to that.

Ian

00:52:23 – 00:52:41

Every time you think about anything you think about, is this making the best YouTube video or not? Is this going to be the you know, thing that makes this video successful? And he has a lot of stuff about that too. Like whatever. Coming up with the gimmick for a video, the thing that blew my mind really the most and maybe this is just a known thing.

Ian

00:52:41 – 00:52:57

I'd be curious to hear if you do this, but they come up with a title and the thumbnail first. That's what they start with is the thumbnail, and then everything builds off the thumbnail, but the thumbnail happens first. Mhmm. And so I thought that was it totally blew my mind that the thumbnail happens first.

Aaron

00:52:57 – 00:53:12

Yeah. We don't do that. I know that that's, like, what you're supposed to do. I've heard that I've heard that many times. But what I do do is, like, if I have an idea for a video, the first thing I do is decide, is there any like, is there an interesting hook for this?

Aaron

00:53:12 – 00:53:29

Yeah. Because if it's like, I really wanna teach this one thing, and, of course, my videos are so different because I'm generally teaching people. I really wanna teach this one thing, but I have to package it in such a way that it's interesting Yeah. Instead of just saying, like, this is the thing. Here's how you do it.

Aaron

00:53:29 – 00:53:40

There has to be some kind of angle of, like, interesting example, funny use case, something like that. Otherwise, I can't, like, I can't find the right, the right hook, basically.

Ian

00:53:40 – 00:53:57

Yeah. So hit part of his whole strategy too, which was fascinating, was, like, the first minute being, like, we gotta really hook you. It sounds like, you know, they're taking edits from other parts of the video, whatever they're doing to, like, make it super snazzy. And then minutes one through three are super important because that's when you have a fair amount of fall off. So how do you limit that fall off?

Ian

00:53:58 – 00:54:03

I don't know. Do you ever think about your videos in terms of that sort of thing? I think it like you said,

Aaron

00:54:03 – 00:54:10

it's very different. As I should. Yeah. Yeah. Honestly, the whole the whole YouTube meta game is not one I play super well Yeah.

Aaron

00:54:11 – 00:54:23

In terms of, like, what is the hook? What is the open loop? What is the, you know, the structure? Yeah. I I I could, should be much better about that.

Aaron

00:54:24 – 00:54:45

But, yeah, it's hard. It's hard to, like, take a teaching concept and turn it into, like, a, you know, a a viral loop hook. Okay. But it's not impossible. And I think if I had a whole lot more time, that would be a fun thing for me to, like, investigate, and maybe get really good at.

Aaron

00:54:45 – 00:54:51

But at this point, my goal is to just, like, put out as much good content as I can. Yeah.

Ian

00:54:51 – 00:54:51

Aaron

00:54:51 – 00:54:53

don't know. I need to be better at that.

Ian

00:54:53 – 00:55:13

Definitely, I think, greatly increases the time commitment because you have to really plan the video out and then every moment of the video and all that stuff. And, yeah, like, they like he says, they talk about every like, what minute of the video are you working on? And each minute has its own plan and its own beats and, like, they generally

Aaron

00:55:13 – 00:55:14

know how to got time for that.

Ian

00:55:14 – 00:55:15

Yeah. I can do that.

Aaron

00:55:15 – 00:55:16

That's why he's winning

Ian

00:55:16 – 00:55:17

because he's got,

Aaron

00:55:17 – 00:55:20

you know, he's got the obsession and the time and the money to do that.

Ian

00:55:20 – 00:55:21

Yeah.

Aaron

00:55:21 – 00:55:26

And even before he had the money, he had the obsession and the time. So yeah. Yeah. That's what

Ian

00:55:26 – 00:55:38

he talks about in there too. He's like, I just watched and analyzed more than anybody else and, you know, put in the work and then Yeah. Down the hooks and all that stuff. So, yeah, I don't know. People should check this out.

Ian

00:55:38 – 00:55:56

I don't I didn't think I linked to the full document, but, if you just search like mister b's production guide, I'm sure it'll come up. It was quite a fascinating read, especially, like, the first half. It kinda then it's a little uneven in the rest of it. It's, like, fine, but not quite as interesting. But, yeah, it was really interesting for third or first half.

Ian

00:55:56 – 00:56:04

It was really good. So go check that out. Yeah. So on Nathan, so the idea of, like yeah. Who's your guy's audience?

Ian

00:56:04 – 00:56:16

Like, is it Mhmm. Program I, you know, I assume it's something with programmers who deal with databases or whatever, but if you've locked that in and also how even once you lock it in, how do you convey it and describe it and all those things? So

Aaron

00:56:16 – 00:56:29

what And I don't want it to be database people. Like Okay. Because so Steve and I have have dreams of being breaking out of of, you know, the tech world.

Ian

00:56:30 – 00:56:30

Okay.

Aaron

00:56:30 – 00:56:37

So not not just be, not just produce database courses forever. Mhmm.

Ian

00:56:37 – 00:56:38

Aaron

00:56:38 – 00:56:56

think I think we're good at that. I enjoy that personally. I like teaching in general. I think I'm good at it, and I have fun with it. But I don't know how or what or when, but I would like I would like to dream a little bit bigger than just, like, doing technical courses forever.

Aaron

00:56:56 – 00:57:16

And so and even, like, even as we exist currently, Screencasting.com is our focus after Postgres, and that is just, like, fundamentally different than Right. Databases. And so I don't know. Like, I don't know I don't know what the, like, core tenant or the through line is. I think that to some extent, it's me.

Aaron

00:57:16 – 00:57:40

Right? It's just things I'm interested in and things that I want to see in the world, but I don't know I don't know how to turn that into a a mission statement. So, yeah, I don't know. I think it it works well right now, like, the database courses and kinda, like, the creator side of stuff, but I don't know how to make it super tight. And then beyond that, I don't know, like, what we grow into.

Aaron

00:57:40 – 00:57:56

So maybe we do Postgres. We do a bunch of screen casting. We do, like, the flagship course again, and then Steve does editor courses. And then we probably will do MySQL after that. We'll probably, you know, play the hits and do MySQL.

Aaron

00:57:57 – 00:58:04

And then after that, I I don't really know. You know, after Postgres, I'm gonna need a big long break because I'm Right.

Ian

00:58:04 – 00:58:06

I'm getting to the the end of

Aaron

00:58:06 – 00:58:16

my rope here. But I don't know what the future beyond that looks like. Unfortunately, we don't have to know right now because we have enough on our plate that we have to focus. But Yeah. Yeah.

Aaron

00:58:16 – 00:58:17

It'll be it'll be interesting to see.

Ian

00:58:17 – 00:58:37

Yeah. I don't know. I kinda feel like at one point, you talked about, like, I don't know if you use these words, but, like, a variety show of sorts. Mhmm. I can see that, again, kinda tying back you into Johnny Carson theme of, like, maybe, like, not horrible Lex Fridman or something, like some kinda interview angle or, you know, interviewing quite different than produced videos.

Ian

00:58:37 – 00:58:41

But Yeah. Or produced show of some sort.

Aaron

00:58:41 – 00:58:50

Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. After after Laracon, the event staff asked me if I wanted to emcee some other stuff, and I was like, yeah. Definitely.

Ian

00:58:50 – 00:58:51

Oh, wow.

Aaron

00:58:51 – 00:58:57

That's awesome. Email. Yeah. So I don't know what that looks like, but that feels like a step into a broader world

Ian

00:58:57 – 00:58:58

Right.

Aaron

00:58:58 – 00:59:19

Where the, yeah, the, like, the the value that I'm providing is not technical education. It's something else, and I'd be curious to run that down and see what that looks like. But, yeah, the the variety show is still like, it's still on my list, and I'm still going to do it. It's just a matter of getting these other things out the door first.

Ian

00:59:20 – 00:59:31

Now do you worry about sort of the focus? Constantly. Right? Because it does seem like, you know, you're building up a rep. People like the database courses.

Ian

00:59:32 – 01:00:02

Zoom especially if Postgres goes well, Presumably it's gonna be wider than SQLite, I would think. So, you know, you start to build that up and then it's like, you kind of get into that. It's kind of like what we were talking about with money even before at the start, like, you know, like, it's it's gonna be easier to sell into the group you already sell into, presumably, and, all that kind of stuff. And you ultimately have bills to pay and things you wanna do. So how do you balance, like, then transitioning into other markets or Yeah.

Ian

01:00:02 – 01:00:03

All that stuff. So

Aaron

01:00:05 – 01:00:21

I constantly worry about it. I think one step at a time is Yeah. Is part of the answer. So I can't I can't immediately go to I don't know what's way out of, you know, left field. I can't immediately go to concert pianist and then, like, nobody nobody follows me there.

Aaron

01:00:21 – 01:00:21

Right?

Ian

01:00:21 – 01:00:22

Right. So I

Aaron

01:00:22 – 01:00:45

think, you know, if we're gonna if we're gonna step outside of database education, which we are, it needs to be kind of a gradual thing. Yeah. And looking back, it should be obvious the path of to get from here to there or there to here. So I think that's part of it. In terms of in terms of, like, the money, I'm hoping that Postgres does SQLite has done very well.

Aaron

01:00:45 – 01:01:02

I'm hoping Postgres does three or four times as well. Right. And then that buys us a little bit of buffer, in terms of of time to kinda, like, have some fun. Yep. Because I think that's the final and maybe most important thing is I just don't wanna do database courses forever.

Aaron

01:01:03 – 01:01:21

I just really don't. Like, there are so many things I want to do. And so part of and I'm very sensitive because I'll I'll listen just in general, but I'm very sensitive to this particular thing because I'll listen or watch on Twitter, certain people be like, hey. I'm working on this new thing. And everybody's like, no.

Aaron

01:01:21 – 01:01:31

You're an idiot. You gotta focus. You're never gonna make it. And I watch that, and I'm just kinda on the sidelines being like, oh, gosh. That's kind of how I feel.

Aaron

01:01:31 – 01:01:50

Right. So I'm very sensitive to that notion. And now it doesn't super matter what other people think, but it is gonna be it is going to be like a gradual, hopefully, progression. And I am gonna weather some of the, like, why are you doing this stupid thing? And you know what the answer is gonna be?

Aaron

01:01:50 – 01:01:58

Because I want to be happy. Like Right. I want I there are things that I want for my life, and I don't really care if a bunch of people want me to

Ian

01:01:58 – 01:02:01

do a course on MariaDB. I like

Aaron

01:02:01 – 01:02:02

maybe I just don't wanna do it. Right.

Ian

01:02:02 – 01:02:03

And it

Aaron

01:02:03 – 01:02:17

would make the most business sense to do it. But provided we have enough money coming in and we have ideas that are fun and could make money, I would rather do the ones that I want to do instead of, you know, being captured by the audience. So

Ian

01:02:18 – 01:02:26

Yeah. I think I don't Yeah. Definitely the, like, people who are like, you're stupid or that's like, whatever. Who cares about that? But, like, I just think practically there ends up being it's yeah.

Ian

01:02:26 – 01:02:40

A lot depends on, like, a Postgres does a huge number. You have, like, all this time and flexibility potentially. But even there, it's like you are making trade offs, right? Of like guaranteed money. Let's say let's say guaranteed, even though it's like not guaranteed, guaranteed.

Ian

01:02:42 – 01:02:57

You know, versus exploring new things, which, and you don't, you always have to explore some new stuff because otherwise it's it's definitely gonna be stale. And you've also been on this like database heater for, you know, this year. And I think just, you're gonna need something to refresh the

Aaron

01:02:57 – 01:02:58

brain

Ian

01:02:58 – 01:03:08

cycles for sure. So, yeah. And but it's like, whatever. Like, Wes, like, he mostly just stays in his JavaScript CSS lane, for example. Right?

Ian

01:03:08 – 01:03:12

He's scared. Yeah. Yeah. Those guys. Like, well, we got we it's a job.

Ian

01:03:12 – 01:03:13

Right? Does that part of it too? It's like

Aaron

01:03:13 – 01:03:14

It is.

Ian

01:03:14 – 01:03:29

This is my job is to teach people about these things. Yeah. And so my job is to go in nine to five every six months. I make a course, whatever their, you know, I'm not doing what their frequencies are, but whatever it's a job. And then I do other things that entertain me outside of it.

Ian

01:03:30 – 01:03:39

Which isn't how you have to approach it all, but that's that's sort of the, like, sort of standard approach. Right? It would be like, okay, I found a thing that works. I'm gonna stick with that.

Aaron

01:03:39 – 01:03:42

Let's just mind this vein until it runs dry.

Ian

01:03:42 – 01:03:47

Right. And, you know, maybe it's not the most fun every day or whatever.

Aaron

01:03:47 – 01:03:48

Ian

01:03:48 – 01:04:00

do think, like, CSS and stuff's probably a little more fun than databases. If I had to pick one to do Probably. You know, for years, I'd probably go CSS just because it changes faster, I'd say. And it's kind of

Aaron

01:04:01 – 01:04:01

Mhmm.

Ian

01:04:02 – 01:04:03

Got a little more pizzazz.

Aaron

01:04:03 – 01:04:20

To those examples, I think Wes and Kent both probably have very enjoyable lives. But I don't want to do that. Like, I don't want to do JavaScript for the next ten years. Like, I don't wanna just continue. And I told this to Nathan.

Aaron

01:04:20 – 01:04:42

Like, Kent has this, like, this universe that he's constantly building, and that is the epic web, the stack or learning stack or whatever. Okay. And I I just don't wanna do that. Like, I don't wanna continue to talk about databases for the next ten years, much less, but not definitely not the next, like, two years even. Yeah.

Aaron

01:04:42 – 01:04:59

And so I think in terms of pattern pattern matching off of people, I'm trying to think of a modern day equivalent, but somebody more like like Theodore Roosevelt or Thomas Edison, where it's just like, you just do a bunch of random stuff. Like Right.

Ian

01:04:59 – 01:05:01

Theodore Roosevelt hits.

Aaron

01:05:01 – 01:05:09

Famous big game hunter, president, poet, author, inventor, crazy person. Like, that seems awesome. I wanna

Ian

01:05:09 – 01:05:10

do that. Let's do that. I'll do that.

Aaron

01:05:10 – 01:05:26

I'll be president one day. That'd be awesome. But, you know, in terms of, you know, find the one thing you like and just do that forever. I don't know if that fits for me, at least not in this context. Maybe the one thing is, like, creating stuff.

Aaron

01:05:26 – 01:05:36

And, sure, when you go that broad, I I could do that forever. But if the one thing is being the best database educator in the world, I don't have a lot of interest in doing that

Ian

01:05:36 – 01:05:37

Right.

Aaron

01:05:37 – 01:05:38

Which I think is interesting.

Ian

01:05:39 – 01:05:54

Yeah. And it's also might be, like, it might take the right thing. Like, even if this is successful financially, it might it's not that's not the you know, you have to find the right thing that really strikes you. And that might be the thing that you're like, oh, I'll double down on this thing. Cause it's.

Ian

01:05:55 – 01:06:11

It keeps me mentally engaged as well as being, you know, financially lucrative or whatever. Like, yeah, I think, like, the modern standard techie kinda angle to this would be like a Steve Jobs. Right? Like, the classic, like, he's he could just kept building Max, but he was like, hey. Let's do phones.

Ian

01:06:11 – 01:06:18

And then we did other stuff. And then we I own Pixar too. And, like, we're doing Exactly. Pixar movies and all that kinda stuff. Totally.

Aaron

01:06:18 – 01:06:23

Or maybe, you know, I hate to bring him up. Maybe Elon Musk. Yeah. Before crazy Elon

Ian

01:06:23 – 01:06:25

Musk. Nor normal Yeah. Elon Musk.

Aaron

01:06:25 – 01:06:30

Twitter, Elon Musk. Let's dig some tunnels. Let's go to Mars. Let's put some stuff in the brain. Let's build some cars.

Aaron

01:06:30 – 01:06:33

Like, yeah. My man, that sounds awesome.

Ian

01:06:33 – 01:06:48

He did get rich on the initial thing, though, which is that's very helpful. He did. Same with his job. There is that, like, if you get rich, then you have so much flexibility to do whatever you want, which is Right. Why people wanna be rich because money does solve some problems.

Aaron

01:06:48 – 01:07:27

It does. Yeah. So that that is that is part of the hope that Postgres brings in enough money that between Postgres and SQLite and probably MySQL, you know, shortly thereafter, we have this stable offering of high quality, and I hope it's the highest quality possible educational material that then funds some of the more speculative, interesting, like, side tangents. And, like, after Postgres, I think in November, December, I'm gonna I'm gonna work on something physical. I think we have a a physical a physical product idea that I'm gonna, like, I'm gonna work on.

Aaron

01:07:27 – 01:07:45

And you know what? We also have a software product idea. And so those are the types of things where it's like, if we could if we could have a little time and space to do a little bit of this bizarre off the wall stuff Mhmm. Maybe it works out great. Maybe it's a a base hit.

Aaron

01:07:45 – 01:07:52

But either way, it's good content. It's all everything's content, baby. Yep. And it's a lot of fun. And I think Yeah.

Aaron

01:07:52 – 01:08:00

I'm trying to decide what I'm optimizing for. And I think right now, we're optimizing for money, and I would like for that to change at some point.

Ian

01:08:01 – 01:08:01

Yeah. And

Aaron

01:08:01 – 01:08:19

I'm I'm mentally stealing myself to prepare. And I think this is an interesting, like, concept. Like, when we're no longer optimizing for money, I'm preparing for people to tell us that we're doing things that are not optimal for money. And my answer is gonna be yes.

Ian

01:08:19 – 01:08:19

You're right.

Aaron

01:08:20 – 01:08:21

Absolutely right.

Ian

01:08:21 – 01:08:22

You're very observant.

Aaron

01:08:22 – 01:08:37

It would make more sense to do the thing that you're talking about if we were optimizing for money, which hopefully, at some point, we no longer are, and we're optimizing for some combination of lifestyle interest plus money, some amalgamation of those things. So we'll see.

Ian

01:08:37 – 01:08:48

I like that. Oh, man. I had a question in there, and now I can't remember. For money. Oh, mister Beast had a very you have to read the whole document because a lot of it applies to you.

Ian

01:08:48 – 01:09:07

But this was interesting just on everything's content. He's like, one of his piece of advice is like, be paying attention to everything going on in that, like, let's his example was, let's say you have a hundred vases in your car for the current video and a tree falls on your car and wrecks all the vases. Like, that's amazing content.

Aaron

01:09:07 – 01:09:09

Like, that's funny. Content.

Ian

01:09:09 – 01:09:31

That's something that either we should do something with in this video and we're gonna cut it in somehow as part of the funny things that happened or whatever. I don't know exactly what he does with that, but, like or we're gonna make a new video. It's an idea for a new video or whatever. But, like, always be aware of your surroundings Mhmm. And what's funny or entertaining or things like that, because it sometimes just comes up in other ways there.

Ian

01:09:31 – 01:09:52

But, yeah, I like this plan. I think I mean, and obviously, even the database courses, like, database don't change that fast. If once a year you run through and do here's 10 new videos in each, with the latest and greatest, that makes sense. Then you get to do the whole rerelease cycle updated for Postgres '74 or whatever.

Aaron

01:09:52 – 01:09:55

They do release so fast over there. Yeah.

Ian

01:09:56 – 01:09:58

What my sequel, though, that what with that one

Aaron

01:09:59 – 01:09:59

Yeah.

Ian

01:09:59 – 01:10:09

Feels like that would be hard. I feel like that's gonna be one that, like, is hard gonna be real hard for you to do. Like, you've already done one full course, and I feel like you've done other stuff with it over time.

Aaron

01:10:09 – 01:10:10

It's pretty tough. Right?

Ian

01:10:10 – 01:10:22

Just the just the hard one to choke down of, like, oh, I'm doing this again. Like, I'm saying the same things again. Like, because 90% of it's gonna be the same as the last one. Yeah. But

Aaron

01:10:22 – 01:10:22

I know.

Ian

01:10:22 – 01:10:23

But And feel like you need Like

Aaron

01:10:23 – 01:10:39

we've talked trilogy. Talked about before, I'm gonna be competing with me. I'm gonna be competing with free and me. And so it's gonna it's gonna be different. I will say I do want the set, and there's a part of me that's like Yeah.

Aaron

01:10:39 – 01:10:40

I just have to have it.

Ian

01:10:40 – 01:10:41

Right.

Aaron

01:10:41 – 01:10:51

It's it's it's mine, and I will have it. Yeah. And then I am smarter now than I was back then. Yeah. And I am a better teacher now than I was back then.

Aaron

01:10:51 – 01:10:54

And I have Steve now. I did that whole course by myself.

Ian

01:10:54 – 01:10:55

Oh, that was pre Steve. That was

Aaron

01:10:55 – 01:11:05

pre Steve. And so there are things that are going in my favor. And my SQL nine was released. It's a big old nothing burger, but it was released, so that counts.

Ian

01:11:06 – 01:11:07

That's some new stuff. Yeah.

Aaron

01:11:07 – 01:11:21

Yeah. So and I think the, the having the full set will be a thing unto itself. Like, you can you can cross promote. You can market. You can say you can bundle.

Aaron

01:11:21 – 01:11:36

You can buy them all like that. Yeah. It just doesn't make a lot of sense to not do it even if it's our worst performing course monetarily. Yeah. I think it makes sense because it is probably also going to be the easiest to produce.

Aaron

01:11:36 – 01:11:37

Right.

Ian

01:11:37 – 01:11:38

You know a lot of it.

Aaron

01:11:38 – 01:11:44

I did all the research. Yeah. I just I just gotta, you know, freshen up for it and then hit record. So, yeah,

Ian

01:11:44 – 01:11:51

we'll see. Would you do, DynamoDB, Redis, like, some of these things that I

Aaron

01:11:51 – 01:11:52

would like Redis?

Ian

01:11:52 – 01:11:55

Nontraditional database databases.

Aaron

01:11:55 – 01:12:14

Redis. I would not do Dynamo because the the thing that SQLite, Postgres, and MySQL have in common is they're all very common to each other. Right. So I feel like with all of the experience I have plus a bunch of research, I can get there on any of those three databases, even Maria, honestly. Right.

Aaron

01:12:14 – 01:12:34

I don't have any production experience with something shapes like Dynamo, and so I wouldn't feel very confident. Yeah. And I would feel a little bit icky just, like, regurgitating docs. Yeah. So I've I've talked to some people about potentially doing a Dynamo course under our brands that, like, we produce, that they teach.

Aaron

01:12:35 – 01:12:38

And I think I think that's totally doable.

Ian

01:12:38 – 01:12:51

That's also an interesting way to, like, get out of the database game without getting out of database games. Like, who if you're not the one doing the databases, whatever. You you guys can produce a bunch of database videos, but just Exactly. You're not the face. Yeah.

Aaron

01:12:51 – 01:12:55

Yeah. Yeah. So I'm in I'm in the works with two people on that. In fact

Ian

01:12:55 – 01:12:55

That's interesting.

Aaron

01:12:56 – 01:13:06

Neither of them are the are the dynamo ones. Like, I'm still that's still extremely early. Mhmm. But in the works is is like a Rails SQLite course,

Ian

01:13:07 – 01:13:07

Okay.

Aaron

01:13:07 – 01:13:17

With with not me. And then there's a second course that is very early stages that I won't, talk about anymore, but it is, it's it's outside of databases. And

Ian

01:13:18 – 01:13:18

Mhmm.

Aaron

01:13:18 – 01:13:29

It's the kind of thing where Steve and I would produce it, and a and a subject matter expert would teach it. And it would live it would live it'd be like a joint. You'd be a try hard, you know, so and so production. Right.

Ian

01:13:29 – 01:13:30

Yeah. I like that.

Aaron

01:13:30 – 01:13:41

And we're to the point where it's like, you know, I talked to Steve after I talked to this instructor. I was like, hey, Steve. You know, this person wants to do it. I would love to work with this person. They're top of their game.

Aaron

01:13:41 – 01:13:55

Like, let's do it. He was like, sounds great. I could fly out to them for a week and rent an Airbnb and do it up into a recording studio, and I can manage the lights, the recording, everything, and just sit by quietly while they do it. And I'm like, that.

Ian

01:13:55 – 01:13:56

Do it.

Aaron

01:13:56 – 01:13:57

That is next level.

Ian

01:13:57 – 01:14:02

That is a good idea. Try hard right there. Yeah. That's how you get the the high quality production.

Aaron

01:14:02 – 01:14:02

Exactly. Yeah.

Ian

01:14:02 – 01:14:03

If they don't have the whole set up

Aaron

01:14:03 – 01:14:08

for it. Stuff. That kind of stuff. That is a good example of taking a half step out

Ian

01:14:08 – 01:14:09

Right.

Aaron

01:14:09 – 01:14:23

Without, like, becoming a concert pianist and people being like, what the hell? I'm not following this guy anymore. But it's like you're experiencing or you're witnessing the growth or the expansion of, like, the brand and the empire, but without feeling, you know, disjointed, hopefully.

Ian

01:14:24 – 01:14:42

The other low hanging fruit thing to me, I guess, would be the full enterprise jump of SQL Server and Oracle Yeah. Which use the same SQL flavors as PG and, MySQL. But I don't know. I mean, obviously, it's not something I don't think you have a ton of experience with. Maybe that would be for somebody else too.

Ian

01:14:42 – 01:14:50

And I thought, like, the developers that are in your circles maybe aren't a ton of those people, but those are also circles that pay lots of money for things.

Aaron

01:14:50 – 01:14:56

Hey. A lot. They wanna be in those circles. You know who has forty years of experience with Microsoft SQL Server?

Ian

01:14:57 – 01:14:57

Who's that

Aaron

01:14:57 – 01:15:00

besides me? One Stanley Francis, my father.

Ian

01:15:01 – 01:15:06

Oh, there we go. We can't Isn't that crazy? That's awesome. Get him on the feed.

Aaron

01:15:06 – 01:15:08

Yep. That was his whole deal for for

Ian

01:15:08 – 01:15:09

forever. That's a

Aaron

01:15:09 – 01:15:12

tough up until a few years ago, honestly. Like, he's, I

Ian

01:15:12 – 01:15:16

don't know, 71 centric charm, or did that initiate with you? Okay.

Aaron

01:15:16 – 01:15:20

I think he could do it. I think he would need a little he'd need a little, camera coaching.

Ian

01:15:21 – 01:15:22

Oh, coaching. Yeah.

Aaron

01:15:22 – 01:15:24

But he could he could totally do it. But, yeah, it's

Ian

01:15:24 – 01:15:30

That's awesome. Wild? I think you should do that. I I know you've said that, but I didn't really put that together like that. So, yes, sir.

Ian

01:15:30 – 01:15:38

I think that'd be really cool. That could be a few bucks, man. Of course. A few bucks as they're heading into retirement. Is he retired already or not retired yet?

Aaron

01:15:38 – 01:15:39

Yeah. Retired.

Ian

01:15:39 – 01:15:44

Yeah. So even more so that needs a few bucks. Mhmm. Right. Can't hurt that a few bucks.

Aaron

01:15:45 – 01:15:46

But you're right.

Ian

01:15:46 – 01:15:46

I, you know,

Aaron

01:15:46 – 01:16:03

I look at these DB charts. I I think I forget what it's called. Maybe DB rank or DBranking.com or something. And Oracle's just always number one. It's like, you know, Postgres and MySQL are fighting it out, and Oracle's just, like, cruising across the top of the charts for a decade or something.

Ian

01:16:03 – 01:16:09

It is a little trickier in some ways, though, and that, like, there's tons of, like, get certified. Like, there's official certifications

Aaron

01:16:09 – 01:16:10

for these

Ian

01:16:10 – 01:16:22

things and all kinds of stuff. So it's also not the more blue ocean y vibe of these other open source ones. It's like, no. There's a lot of, like, companies just built around making content for Oracle and stuff. So Yes.

Aaron

01:16:22 – 01:16:25

There there is a lot of corporate training

Ian

01:16:25 – 01:16:25

where

Aaron

01:16:25 – 01:16:37

it's like Yeah. You come in, you watch slideshows for six hours, and then you get your your, CE credit, your continuing education credit, and then you can move on. Yeah. Yeah. I'm looking at db-engines.com.

Aaron

01:16:37 – 01:16:42

I can't imagine dbengines.com was taken, but db-engines.com.

Ian

01:16:42 – 01:16:43

A dash. I like a dash.

Aaron

01:16:43 – 01:16:47

I hate a dash. Hate a dash. Because I just said it out loud like an idiot. D b dash engines.

Ian

01:16:48 – 01:16:49

You have to say it.

Aaron

01:16:49 – 01:16:57

You have to say it. Oracle, number one. MySQL, number two. Microsoft SQL Server, number three. Postgres, number four.

Aaron

01:16:57 – 01:17:00

Mongo, Redis, Snowflake, Elasticsearch, IBM SQLite.

Ian

01:17:01 – 01:17:03

So Yes. Snowflake. That's kinda interesting.

Aaron

01:17:03 – 01:17:06

Yeah. What's the one that Jess spoke on? Cockroach.

Ian

01:17:06 – 01:17:07

I think that one I think that

Aaron

01:17:07 – 01:17:09

one is extremely interesting to me.

Ian

01:17:09 – 01:17:13

Yeah. Have you gotten to, like, ClickHouse and single store? Some of these, like

Aaron

01:17:13 – 01:17:15

I lied. Cockroach. Yeah.

Ian

01:17:15 – 01:17:20

They should be Brad the cockroach. But Yeah. ClickHouse. Yeah. These are column store databases.

Ian

01:17:20 – 01:17:22

Uh-huh. I mean, those are really hot right now too.

Aaron

01:17:23 – 01:17:23

Mhmm.

Ian

01:17:23 – 01:17:28

I imagine if you did, like, a column store, maybe you don't do each one individually. Like, it's like a column store database

Aaron

01:17:29 – 01:17:30

That's interesting. Course

Ian

01:17:30 – 01:17:32

that covers, like, ClickHouse and single store.

Aaron

01:17:32 – 01:17:37

And Single store is the featured product on this rankings page. They've bought out all the ad stores.

Ian

01:17:37 – 01:17:57

Single stores. I know, Jack Ellis is always evangelizing it, and I was planning on using it for some stuff, which I'm not doing that. But yeah. So they are very performant and very cool. Does take, I mean, I think it's the kind of thing where you actually, a lot of existing developers need training on it because it's not, it's very different way to think about the database.

Aaron

01:17:57 – 01:17:58

It's fundamentally quite different. Yeah.

Ian

01:17:58 – 01:18:04

Yeah. So there's a, you know, all different trade offs and all those kind of things. But,

Aaron

01:18:04 – 01:18:30

yeah. I think if I did do an analytic an analytical database, I would start with DuckDB, which is the it is the SQLite of analytical databases. So it's like embedded single file thing. Mhmm. And that would make a nice complement that would make a nice complement to SQLite, and it would also be, I think, a pretty approachable entry point for these analytical databases, both for me and the audience.

Aaron

01:18:30 – 01:18:30

Right.

Ian

01:18:30 – 01:18:31

It's just pretty

Aaron

01:18:31 – 01:18:49

Learning ClickHouse is gonna take me a freaking long time, but I feel like learning DuckDB has a little bit of a lower barrier to entry. So that's definitely on the table. I would love you know, I'm I'm very much a a collector and a completionist, and I would love to have a full set of of courses. A full set.

Ian

01:18:49 – 01:18:52

Like, the encyclopedias. Exactly. The National

Aaron

01:18:52 – 01:18:59

Geographic, encyclopedias. Like, what do I what do I wanna do with my life is the question. And that is still an open question.

Ian

01:19:00 – 01:19:04

That might take you know, also, I mean, the nice thing about this is you could go back it could be over years. Right? It's like

Aaron

01:19:05 – 01:19:05

It could You

Ian

01:19:05 – 01:19:14

don't necessarily have to complete it day one. It's like, hey. Every six months, you go back and hit a database for a month, and that's it. You know? And then between you're doing other things.

Aaron

01:19:14 – 01:19:23

Go do some go do some light manufacturing. Go do a database course. Light manufacturing software products. Yeah. I could I could get into that.

Aaron

01:19:23 – 01:19:23

That sounds

Ian

01:19:24 – 01:19:28

So alright, man. Anything else we wanna cover with that or anything else?

Aaron

01:19:29 – 01:19:32

Oh, Sinatra, baby. Let's let's close

Ian

01:19:32 – 01:19:41

on Sinatra. We didn't we didn't really cover the Postgres course even then Not even a little bit. Yeah. We have next week, but give us a give us a little bit in the Sinatra. Yeah.

Ian

01:19:41 – 01:19:43

We should cover. We gotta talk about Sinatra.

Aaron

01:19:43 – 01:20:07

So we were talking about what are, you know, what are we gonna do for this Postgres trailer? Yeah. Are we just gonna do the same thing we did for SQLite, which is kinda like fast cuts and a beat and, like, me working and stuff happening? And I think to his credit, Steve was like, we can we can do the same thing and try to do it bigger, or we can just we can just whoop, sidestep and do something completely different.

Ian

01:20:07 – 01:20:09

And I was like, yeah. Let's do that. That sounds fun.

Aaron

01:20:09 – 01:20:11

That sounds like a fun a fun strategy.

Ian

01:20:11 – 01:20:12

Yeah.

Aaron

01:20:12 – 01:20:26

And so we did. We just sidestepped and did something completely different. And I remembered that you either tweeted or sent me that comedian's, hype video for playing at Madison Square Garden to Andrew Schultz's video.

Ian

01:20:26 – 01:20:29

Yep. Yep. And I was like, oh, wow. I didn't realize you took it from that. Yeah.

Aaron

01:20:29 – 01:20:46

Oh, yeah. I was like, that song, I I was like, I don't know who this guy is, but I will die for him. And so I remember that feeling of watching him and hearing that song and thinking, we gotta use that song. Right. And so I, you know, I pitched it to Steve, and he was like, alright.

Aaron

01:20:46 – 01:21:00

Let's do it. What's the, you know, what's the storyline? And so we kinda you know, we used footage from a bunch of different places. Like, we used footage from unused footage from the layoff video. So me walking along the side of the road, we actually recorded back in March.

Aaron

01:21:00 – 01:21:10

But just didn't actually use it. Yep. Then we had studio build out footage that I took here on my iPhone back in, you know, March, April, May, whatever. Actually, that was January, February.

Ian

01:21:10 – 01:21:12

Oh, right. That part was yeah.

Aaron

01:21:12 – 01:21:18

So didn't use that. And the stuff at Home Depot, I recorded in January, February. Like, not putting the rewards on the cart. Yeah. I know.

Aaron

01:21:18 – 01:21:20

I just had it. Everything's content.

Ian

01:21:21 – 01:21:21

Yeah.

Aaron

01:21:21 – 01:21:33

And then I did, I did some fake takes here in the studio. Steve did a bunch of filming at his house. So the printing, the highlighting, and the post it notes were all done at Steve's house.

Ian

01:21:33 – 01:21:35

A highlighter. A highlighter lives in information.

Aaron

01:21:35 – 01:21:37

Age highlighter is crazy.

Ian

01:21:37 – 01:21:39

I wanna know what the deal with that highlighter is. I know.

Aaron

01:21:39 – 01:21:52

And the post it notes, I have, like, that right there is the sequel light course, all those that stack of post it notes Yeah. Yeah. On a restaurant spike. And so that was you know, we're doing that for the post Christmas trailer. And then we had a kid.

Aaron

01:21:52 – 01:22:11

We had, Matthew, Knipfer Knipfer, something like that. We had him come up from Austin and do the drone shot. And so yeah. He did he did the drone shot here at the studio, and he also did a few other he brought his big camera, and he did a few other just shots in and around the studio. And then it was over to Steve.

Aaron

01:22:11 – 01:22:20

Like, good luck. Have fun, buddy. And he just freaking crushed it. It was so good. And I watched it, and I just laughed out loud.

Aaron

01:22:20 – 01:22:22

I was like, this is incredible.

Ian

01:22:23 – 01:22:32

Of course, it's gonna be a massive letdown, you know, compared to this, like, inspirational model. Like this. Yeah. And we have Sinatra in every 80 videos.

Aaron

01:22:32 – 01:22:39

Well, about these goofy data types that Postgres has and not about, like, make your dreams come true. But, hey. The trailer was awesome.

Ian

01:22:39 – 01:22:48

So awesome. Yeah. I love when there's discontinuity too of, like, the song, like, crescendos and, like, inspirational thing, but it's about a database course.

Aaron

01:22:48 – 01:22:49

So it's

Ian

01:22:49 – 01:22:52

like you wouldn't necessarily think that, but then it all just kinda works.

Aaron

01:22:53 – 01:22:54

Oh, I know.

Ian

01:22:54 – 01:22:57

Yeah. It was awesome. I was, like, totally blown away by it. I was like, wow. This is

Aaron

01:22:58 – 01:22:58

So ridiculous.

Ian

01:22:58 – 01:23:20

That might've be it's probably the most next level thing you guys have done in some ways. Because, like, with the drone and, like, lots of cuts and, like, different scenes and, like Mhmm. And, yeah, a lot of it apparently was already there and you'd recorded it before, but, like, obviously, you don't know that when you watch the video. So it's like, wow. They really did just because they was a week of shooting to, like, do all this stuff.

Ian

01:23:20 – 01:23:28

And, yeah, it really comes in as over the top. I don't know how you're gonna follow that up, really. That that's No idea. Tell you. That's why I gotta get out of the database game.

Ian

01:23:28 – 01:23:28

You can't follow

Aaron

01:23:28 – 01:23:37

that up. We gotta continue to sidestep. We gotta do new yeah. Enter a new field each time just so that we don't have to, like, one up ourselves. You know?

Aaron

01:23:38 – 01:23:38

Yeah.

Ian

01:23:38 – 01:23:42

So how was that received, though? I assume well Amazing.

Aaron

01:23:42 – 01:23:57

Yes. Very, very well. Lots of very positive public feedback, lots of encouraging DMs. We're gonna put out a post maybe today, maybe tomorrow about the numbers behind it all. Mhmm.

Aaron

01:23:58 – 01:24:02

But I think we have, like, 1,500 people on the mailing list already.

Ian

01:24:02 – 01:24:03

Wow. That's great.

Aaron

01:24:03 – 01:24:05

Just from that, which is great. Right.

Ian

01:24:05 – 01:24:06

Just from one video.

Aaron

01:24:06 – 01:24:23

Yeah. Just from one video on on Twitter, and so that's good. And then we'll continue to, you know, mail the SQL light list and ask them to cross over and do continue to do stuff like that. But, yeah, the reception has been amazing. Gotten a few inquiries of, like, making videos, like, not courses.

Aaron

01:24:23 – 01:24:26

Like, hey. Will you come shoot an ad for us? You're like

Ian

01:24:26 – 01:24:27

Oh, wow.

Aaron

01:24:27 – 01:24:28

Maybe. We got money.

Ian

01:24:28 – 01:24:35

Maybe you'll become sandwich, you know, when they do it. Yeah. Yeah. That could be interesting. Always working on different things and stuff.

Ian

01:24:35 – 01:24:36

So yeah.

Aaron

01:24:37 – 01:24:56

So, yeah, lots of lots of good feedback. This is another one of those, like, just put it out there and see what happens and, like, do the best you can possibly do, and then we'll see what comes of it. And I think, that continues to be a viable a viable strategy. Like, obviously, we want it to market the course that we

Ian

01:24:56 – 01:24:59

want to sell for US dollars. Yes. Right.

Aaron

01:24:59 – 01:25:11

But we also want it to reflect well on us and people to think highly of us and offer us, you know, opportunities that we didn't know existed, and I think it has served that purpose as well.

Ian

01:25:11 – 01:25:24

Yeah. No. I'd obviously put you guys in a great, like, light, I think, and there's just nobody else nobody else is doing this, like, tech content with this sort of style. Mhmm. You know, it's all pretty more straightforward.

Ian

01:25:24 – 01:25:34

And, so, yeah, I think it really stands out, obviously. Do you think it did it as well as the first one? Like, the first one, you had the juice of the layoff and everything, so I didn't know if it, like, reached those same highs or

Aaron

01:25:35 – 01:25:53

it close? In terms of so in terms of just, like, pure views on the layoff video, I think the layoff video might have had more pure views. I don't actually know if that's true. Mhmm. But in terms of, like, if you compare it to the SQLite launch video, I think it does better SQLite video.

Aaron

01:25:53 – 01:26:04

Better than the SQLite launch video. But the audience is bigger. People more people know. And so it's like, man, I don't know if it's apples to apples, but it it did better.

Ian

01:26:05 – 01:26:27

Well, yeah. I would have thought maybe the sequel lite video had an advantage because it was, like, closer to the layoff storyline. And so, you know, people were more focused on you and what was going on more actively because it was like in the news, in our little world here. So that's great if it's like, yeah, if it's above that, I think that's really great. So no calls from the Sinatra estate yet?

Aaron

01:26:27 – 01:26:33

No. No. Not yet. But if they want a a % off coupon for the course, I would gladly give that give that to them.

Ian

01:26:34 – 01:26:35

Oh, that's good.

Aaron

01:26:35 – 01:26:38

That's good. It's an old song. Right? Like, isn't copyright mostly vibes?

Ian

01:26:39 – 01:26:39

Yeah.

Aaron

01:26:39 – 01:26:46

So, hopefully, it's old enough that nobody cares. And we didn't we didn't put it on YouTube because they do have content matching and

Ian

01:26:46 – 01:26:46

Right.

Aaron

01:26:46 – 01:26:53

I don't you know, it's like that. Well so, yeah, hopefully, nobody comes knocking. And if they do, we'll gladly pull it down.

Ian

01:26:53 – 01:26:59

Isn't there a way on YouTube to put it up there and just say that they can like, if you let them monetize it, then it's

Aaron

01:26:59 – 01:27:00

okay or

Ian

01:27:00 – 01:27:01

something like that. I think there

Aaron

01:27:01 – 01:27:02

is only if you try

Ian

01:27:02 – 01:27:03

to not let them do it or something.

Aaron

01:27:03 – 01:27:12

It depends on the rights holder. So the rights holder can say, yeah. You can use it, but we get the money, or the rights holder can say, no. You can't use it at

Ian

01:27:12 – 01:27:12

all. Yeah.

Aaron

01:27:12 – 01:27:22

So I think the Laracon livestreams got pulled because they had so many walk on songs, and some of them were like, actually, no, there is no license. You can't use this at

Ian

01:27:22 – 01:27:27

all. Yep. Yeah. Because you gotta check. YouTube has some database you look up in presumably or whatever.

Aaron

01:27:27 – 01:27:28

So Exactly.

Ian

01:27:29 – 01:27:34

Interesting. Mhmm. Man. Well, I think Postgres course is gonna be a mega hit. I'm excited.

Ian

01:27:35 – 01:27:43

Do you think, yeah, I guess you're I guess you're running it as two separate lists, then you're not just using the SQLite course as the base. Just keep it fully separate. It's probably Yeah.

Aaron

01:27:43 – 01:27:44

We're we're

Ian

01:27:44 – 01:27:44

Right way to

Aaron

01:27:44 – 01:27:54

do it. All, you know, it's all in one Bento account. And so It's tagged. You know, it's deduped, but it's tagged. And we are we have mailed the SQLite list and said, hey.

Aaron

01:27:54 – 01:27:58

I know you like SQLite. You might like Postgres. Here's a link. Click it. We'll tag you.

Aaron

01:27:58 – 01:28:02

Otherwise, like, you're good. Don't, like, be more organized.

Ian

01:28:02 – 01:28:08

Now, though. Are you in can was that gonna work? Because, like, what if I'm on SQLite list?

Aaron

01:28:08 – 01:28:08

Mhmm.

Ian

01:28:08 – 01:28:15

I mean, it's probably isn't a huge deal, but, like, if I unsubscribe, I might not be able to get on the Postgres list.

Aaron

01:28:15 – 01:28:21

If you unsubscribe, it removes the tag that says list colon SQLite.

Ian

01:28:22 – 01:28:22

Okay.

Aaron

01:28:22 – 01:28:33

And so, like, if you're subscribed to the personal, the SQLite, the screencasting, and the Postgres, whenever I send an email to one of those lists, the unsubscribe removes you from that list.

Ian

01:28:34 – 01:28:44

Okay. So it's still like a separate list sort of concept where you can be on one and unsubscribe from another or whatever. Yeah. Because not Yeah. I never used Bento, but the other tools, some of them anyway, don't work, like that.

Ian

01:28:44 – 01:28:56

It's like you well, you have to have a more like a definitive object of, like, a list and it works within a list, but, like, the tagging alone wouldn't be enough, but it sounds like Mentos, like, tag oriented.

Aaron

01:28:57 – 01:29:01

Yeah. It it it it can be, and that's the way that I'm using it. It's tag oriented.

Ian

01:29:02 – 01:29:02

Cool.

Aaron

01:29:02 – 01:29:15

And I think what I would like to have soon is, like, a manage preferences page on, like, karen francis dot com. Because right now, I send an email, and it's like, what list is this? Okay. Okay. What unsubscribe link is that?

Aaron

01:29:15 – 01:29:23

What I would like to have is just, like, manage your preferences. You can go unsubscribe, resubscribe from all or any or whatever you want. Yeah.

Ian

01:29:23 – 01:29:24

But

Aaron

01:29:24 – 01:29:27

that takes just takes a few minutes of engineering, and I just haven't done that yet.

Ian

01:29:27 – 01:29:30

Yeah. Is this plan still to move over to Aaron Francis? Or

Aaron

01:29:30 – 01:29:54

And we have actively engaged, a designer to help us, like, redirect what has been my personal website into a more brand style website. Right. And so once they're done with that, that process will begin. But as of now, all emails are coming from aaron francisco dot com. There's just no global, like, manage preferences yet.

Ian

01:29:54 – 01:29:56

Right. All that stuff.

Aaron

01:29:56 – 01:30:00

Yeah. And the courses login is still not it's still on each discrete domain.

Ian

01:30:00 – 01:30:05

Right. So some behind the scenes, work to do still.

Aaron

01:30:05 – 01:30:09

Everything has to happen first. It's like, oh, you gotta do this? Well, you gotta do that first. We gotta do that first.

Ian

01:30:09 – 01:30:10

Like, how

Aaron

01:30:10 – 01:30:12

does it all have to happen first?

Ian

01:30:12 – 01:30:12

I know.

Aaron

01:30:12 – 01:30:15

This doesn't make any sense. Terrible. It's terrible.

Ian

01:30:15 – 01:30:18

Alright, man. I think we gave the people a good, a good run here. So,

Aaron

01:30:19 – 01:30:21

We did. Good to have you back, sir.

Ian

01:30:21 – 01:30:30

It's good to be back. Very nice to be back. I was actually a little nervous leading into the pod. You know, it's been a while since I've been on, like, this is my first day back working at all.

Aaron

01:30:30 – 01:30:31

Oh, wow.

Ian

01:30:32 – 01:30:45

Checked in, you know, because cause whatever. When you run your own company, you always have to check-in. But Yeah. Like, but this is the most, like, not working I've kind of done in a non vacation format in the ever probably. So yeah.

Ian

01:30:45 – 01:30:51

So first day back at work, kicking off with the pod, and, back at it this week. So alright, man.

Aaron

01:30:51 – 01:30:53

A great job. Welcome back.

Ian

01:30:53 – 01:31:10

Thanks. Everybody out there, you can follow us over at mostly technical dot com, mostly tech pod, email us at mostlytechnicalpodcast@gmail.com, which I have checked in on and cleared out. And there was nothing in there. So it was, there was nothing, for you in there anyway. And it's a couple of little things.

Ian

01:31:10 – 01:31:15

So thanks for writing in folks who do. And, we'll see you next week. Thanks.

Aaron

01:31:16 – 01:31:17

See you.

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