Aaron Francis

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Ian

00:00:00 – 00:00:00

Back on the

Aaron

00:00:01 – 00:00:04

mic? Back on the mic. A year older, but we're back on the mic.

Ian

00:00:04 – 00:00:09

That's birthday, Aaron Francis. My favorite Aaron Francis. Birthday Aaron Francis.

Aaron

00:00:09 – 00:00:12

The birthday Never never been this old before.

Ian

00:00:14 – 00:00:20

So you were gonna go away and have a night away, I think, last we discussed. Right? That happened?

Aaron

00:00:20 – 00:00:22

You know what I'm doing right after this podcast?

Ian

00:00:22 – 00:00:23

Oh, shit.

Aaron

00:00:23 – 00:00:23

I'm going away.

Ian

00:00:24 – 00:00:24

Way.

Aaron

00:00:24 – 00:00:26

I'm going away.

Ian

00:00:26 – 00:00:27

That's right.

Aaron

00:00:27 – 00:00:52

Yeah. I booked a I booked a hotel downtown. And so right after this, I'm gonna go back home and pack up some stuff and then head head downtown into the big city. And, yeah, I've got a I've got a a staycation all to myself. So I looked at I looked at the spa treatments, but they were, like, dollars 400.

Aaron

00:00:52 – 00:00:55

So I think I'm gonna go down.

Ian

00:00:55 – 00:00:57

Spa treatments. Yeah. Yeah.

Aaron

00:00:58 – 00:01:10

But, yeah, I'm gonna go down there, drop off my bags, go somewhere nice for lunch, and then hopefully get an early ish check-in. And then I don't know. Ian, what do I do? What? I just really should I not work?

Ian

00:01:10 – 00:01:11

Right now for you. Right?

Aaron

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I should not work, I think, is the plan.

Ian

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You're gonna be so at the door. So here's the thing. We gotta work on you here. Okay. You need a couple hobbies.

Ian

00:01:19 – 00:01:21

Right? Because, like, this is where Can

Aaron

00:01:21 – 00:01:21

you imagine?

Ian

00:01:22 – 00:01:23

A, the poker comes in.

Aaron

00:01:23 – 00:01:24

You know?

Ian

00:01:24 – 00:01:33

Dallas has poker. You could go play poker. Mhmm. Or b, my other main hobby is photography, which would be perfect for this. You could be, like, on the streets of Dallas.

Ian

00:01:33 – 00:01:39

You could be taking photos, finding cool shots, wandering around, out with the people. What about

Aaron

00:01:40 – 00:01:50

I do I do like to I do like to yuck it up with the normies. Common folk. Here's what you need to do then. Up here in my ivory apartment tower. You know?

Ian

00:01:50 – 00:01:57

You need to go find a camera store. There'll be one in there somewhere. Acquire a camera.

Aaron

00:01:57 – 00:02:01

I I got I got six cameras right off right out of shot here.

Ian

00:02:01 – 00:02:04

Take one of those with you. Take a camera. Yeah.

Aaron

00:02:04 – 00:02:11

I really I really do have some pretty good walking around cameras. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not gonna do that.

Ian

00:02:11 – 00:02:12

Take a camera.

Aaron

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I'm not gonna take a camera. And then because you know what?

Aaron

00:02:14 – 00:02:14

You know what?

Aaron

00:02:14 – 00:02:21

You know what? You know what happens? And maybe this is, like, the root issue that we need to fix. Actually, we don't need to fix anything. I'm doing great.

Ian

00:02:21 – 00:02:23

You're perfect. Everything's fine. Yes.

Aaron

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Here's what we need to fix.

Ian

00:02:24 – 00:02:26

In theory, theoretically.

Aaron

00:02:26 – 00:02:36

If I were if I were to go take a bunch of photos, immediately, it becomes, alright. How do I edit the photos? How do I store the photos? How do I process the photos? How do I display the photos?

Aaron

00:02:36 – 00:02:38

How do I make money

Ian

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off of

Aaron

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the photos? See? It's like, it's not very many steps. It's like we go from having fun to digital asset management to sales.

Ian

00:02:46 – 00:02:54

Sure. That's it. But, you know, you could like, I also have that same train of thought. Right? But I've never I've never actually tried to sell the photos.

Ian

00:02:54 – 00:03:06

Like, I could sell the photos, but I haven't tried I don't like that. Have my services available, but I haven't done that. Although, as we talked about wanting to go to the site back side product idea of, like, decline photography. But whatever. I haven't actually got a idea.

Aaron

00:03:06 – 00:03:08

Probably not. Idea.

Ian

00:03:08 – 00:03:15

Right? You take the photos. It's quick to scan through them. You know the couple you're looking for that were good. You pick those ones out.

Ian

00:03:15 – 00:03:17

You do a little editing in Lightroom. It's great.

Aaron

00:03:17 – 00:03:18

And then what?

Ian

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And then what? And you could you could you could post them to Twitter. You could post them if you have Instagram or whatever. You could post them. No.

Aaron

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You got

Ian

00:03:24 – 00:03:28

them just for yourself. You don't have to post them. In the past, people didn't post them.

Aaron

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I can't imagine enjoying something quietly by myself. That makes no sense to me.

Ian

00:03:33 – 00:03:41

You could collect them up. I sort of had this idea that I had to collect them up. Make a book. Four years from now, make a book.

Aaron

00:03:41 – 00:03:44

That that is I that's viable. I buy that.

Ian

00:03:44 – 00:03:46

Secret project. What is secret project? If you came out with

Aaron

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a photo of those I love a secret project.

Ian

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People would lose their minds if you came out with

Aaron

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I wish I could tell you a secret project. There are two secret projects I'm working on right now. I don't wish I could tell you, but they're great. They're great. They're great.

Aaron

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Ian

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have an intervention for you, man. Intervention.

Aaron

00:04:01 – 00:04:03

No, no, no, no. This is this is why

Ian

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it works. Together. No, no, no.

Aaron

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We're not having an intervention. Yeah. It works. No, it's it's going great.

Aaron

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It's going

Ian

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fine. Are these so, you know. Secret projects in these code secret. Oh, of

Aaron

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course. Of course. Of course.

Ian

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You got to get one of them. You got to have something that's not for work. I got it.

Aaron

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No, I just don't. I don't know that that works. So here's what here's what I would do. That's not for work.

Ian

00:04:27 – 00:04:28

Yeah. Okay.

Aaron

00:04:28 – 00:04:32

Is is play Factorio. Play that video game. You said you could

Ian

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do that on this trip.

Aaron

00:04:33 – 00:04:41

Yeah. And I might still do that. But the problem is with Factorio, it is work adjacent. It feels like It's

Aaron

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interesting.

Aaron

00:04:42 – 00:04:53

Let's go refactor some bases. You know, like, refactor some complicated systems. Wait a second. So it it is adjacent. There are a few books that I want to read, so I'll bring a few books.

Aaron

00:04:55 – 00:05:01

Okay. Maybe maybe I'll do a little bit of writing. That's something I enjoy doing. I enjoy that. I have to have some time for that.

Aaron

00:05:03 – 00:05:05

Yeah. I don't know. We'll see.

Ian

00:05:05 – 00:05:08

We'll see. What a vlog. Do you vlog it? I wanna be along on this trip.

Aaron

00:05:09 – 00:05:13

See, but then a vlog immediately goes back to this is work.

Ian

00:05:13 – 00:05:17

Right? Editor, though. So if you do the vlogging, the editor edits, you're good.

Aaron

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I don't know. I don't know. We'll see. We'll see.

Ian

00:05:22 – 00:05:23

Shouldn't do

Aaron

00:05:23 – 00:05:27

that. You should just try to. I'm trying to I'm trying to relax, and we'll see if it's possible.

Ian

00:05:27 – 00:05:28

Bring a camera.

Aaron

00:05:28 – 00:05:29

Just bring a camera.

Ian

00:05:30 – 00:05:34

Yeah. Just have it. You got, like, six hours before they even let you into the hotel. So, like.

Aaron

00:05:34 – 00:05:35

I know.

Ian

00:05:35 – 00:05:39

You gotta do something. You can't just sit in the if you just sit in the coffee shop with your laptop, it's just gonna work.

Aaron

00:05:39 – 00:05:47

Well, I could sit in the coffee shop with my laptop and just write. You know? That's nice. Alright. Write about my hopes and dreams.

Aaron

00:05:47 – 00:05:47

Write a book.

Ian

00:05:48 – 00:05:53

Gonna do that. If you bring your laptop, you're gonna work. You're gonna check Twitter. You can't bring your laptop. So bring a journal.

Ian

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Okay. Bring a camera

Aaron

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and

Ian

00:05:58 – 00:06:05

bring a book and go full hipster. You know digital items. Right? I mean, you have your phone if you're needed for something. Right?

Ian

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But otherwise, no digital stuff. You could journal. You could read. Snap a few pictures. See what strikes you.

Ian

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Maybe when something pulls you. Is the weather nice today? How's the weather?

Aaron

00:06:15 – 00:06:30

You know, the only thing I need to complete that ensemble right there, just a pack of cigs, man. I just need I just need to sit at the cafe, burn through some cigarettes, literally write some stuff, change the world. It's a great idea.

Ian

00:06:30 – 00:06:32

Those. They're still out there if

Aaron

00:06:32 – 00:06:34

you wanna I know. They're they're so gross, though.

Ian

00:06:34 – 00:06:36

Your age group, I think you're supposed to be vaping.

Aaron

00:06:37 – 00:06:39

No. That's a little bit below me.

Ian

00:06:39 – 00:06:40

Oh, it's below you?

Aaron

00:06:40 – 00:06:43

You're Yeah. My age group is hip like American spirit cigarettes.

Ian

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There you go.

Aaron

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Yeah. Yeah. Like, oh, they're not they're not, you know, Marlboro Reds. They're American spirits.

Ian

00:06:50 – 00:06:54

Or maybe you roll your own. You acquire the tobacco and, like, you chop it.

Aaron

00:06:54 – 00:07:00

That You That happened in college. We had friends who rolled their own cigarettes. I was like, what? Cigarettes. Yes.

Aaron

00:07:00 – 00:07:03

Definitely. I was like, what? This sounds like a lot of effort, guys.

Aaron

00:07:04 – 00:07:04

Oh, my

Aaron

00:07:05 – 00:07:09

But they also rode fixed gear bicycles. So it was like it was a whole thing. You know?

Ian

00:07:09 – 00:07:13

Whole thing. There you go. You could rent those. I don't know if Dallas has that in the

Aaron

00:07:13 – 00:07:20

Okay. The last thing I'm doing is riding a bike and riding it around Downtown Dallas. Of all the things I wanna do, that is not on the list.

Ian

00:07:20 – 00:07:27

I love this idea. I love this a lot. I want a photo with the journal and the pen, the nice moleskin. Get yourself a nice moleskin.

Aaron

00:07:27 – 00:07:36

No. You see, I'm at Amazon Basics, Amazon Basics, yellow paper yellow ruled paper guy. Yeah.

Ian

00:07:36 – 00:07:37

That's fine. That works.

Aaron

00:07:37 – 00:07:44

I like that. That's good. It's, like, it's a long running. It's a longitudinal journal. So I've got, you know, a couple of years back right behind me and

Ian

00:07:44 – 00:07:48

Oh, wow. You really do. So you're already doing this. So you could do that. Yeah.

Aaron

00:07:48 – 00:07:53

I'm telling you, man. I'm telling you, I'm an artisan. So, yeah.

Ian

00:07:53 – 00:08:01

I don't think you're on the poker, though, because the poker cuts off that step. You play it and you earn money. So making money and you're relaxed.

Aaron

00:08:02 – 00:08:10

I know. And you get to feel superior because there is, like, a there's, like, an actual mental like, there's actual skill to the game.

Ian

00:08:11 – 00:08:24

Yeah. But it's a different type of mindset. You know? There's, like, competing, which you have in business, but it's totally different sort of it's direct competition against the person across the table instead of this abstract, like, everybody on the Internet you're competing with, whatever bullshit.

Aaron

00:08:24 – 00:08:29

Right? Because, boy, does that get exhausting? Yeah. To compete with everyone on the Internet all the time.

Ian

00:08:29 – 00:08:30

It's it's exhausting.

Aaron

00:08:30 – 00:08:33

It's starting to get a little exhausting. I must admit.

Ian

00:08:33 – 00:08:46

It is very exhausting. So this is like, no. I'm I'm competing against this, what my brother would call stupid face for me. Right there, this stupid face right here, I'm gonna beat this guy. Mhmm.

Ian

00:08:46 – 00:08:47

That's Jim.

Aaron

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The old school. I like that. That is pure. That's nice. Pure.

Aaron

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Zero sum game.

Ian

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And Texas has great poker games. That's the other thing.

Aaron

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They named poker after us.

Ian

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Yes.

Aaron

00:08:58 – 00:09:05

That's what I'm saying. We'll see. I I do like the book, the book journal, pen, optional cigarettes idea.

Aaron

00:09:05 – 00:09:06

Yep.

Aaron

00:09:06 – 00:09:24

That seems that seems good. So, yeah, I'm gonna head out right after this, spend one night, and then tomorrow, I will see if I can get a late checkout. It's Tuesday, so hopefully. And then I'll come back. I'll leave the hotel and come back to the office, do a little bit of work, and then go home.

Aaron

00:09:24 – 00:09:24

Right.

Aaron

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Right. Because

Aaron

00:09:25 – 00:09:31

I'll probably have to check out at, like, eleven. So, yeah, I'm excited. Jennifer did this for her birthday.

Ian

00:09:31 – 00:09:31

Oh. So I

Aaron

00:09:31 – 00:09:42

don't know if I don't know if this is, like, the stage of life we're in or, you know, emblematic of something else, but it's like, oh, this is the best thing I could ever think of to do for my birthday.

Ian

00:09:43 – 00:10:04

Well, I said we we have had to go to this quite a bit. I do have a hard time always convincing Jamie to do it, although I have succeeded a few times in it. So I so there's just like because there's such a chasm. It's a literal chasm between you go away by yourself and you take a family trip with the whole crew and you pack them all up and you're, like,

Aaron

00:10:04 – 00:10:07

getting close. Not even on the same side of the spectrum.

Ian

00:10:07 – 00:10:13

Right. Exactly. So this is like it's like, it's so much easier. It's so much more relaxing. Right?

Ian

00:10:13 – 00:10:24

And the family trips are great and, like, especially when you have and looking back at the photos of the family trips. I'm glad we did all these did a lot of big trips and everything. And it's great. But you also just, like, it's it's impossible to get away the two of you. Right?

Ian

00:10:24 – 00:10:36

It's so much harder to even coordinate that. So it's like Yes. Once in a while, you just go like, again, I do the poker trip. She went to, like, Florence once and did, like, a cookie thing. She went to Arizona.

Ian

00:10:37 – 00:10:44

So, you know, whatever. Like, these are even bigger trips than what you're talking about. Yeah. We used to have the tiny kids. Like, when they when they level up just, like, a little above tiny, then it's like, yeah.

Ian

00:10:44 – 00:10:48

You could, like, go for four days somewhere. Right? And, like, chill out. Go to Yeah.

Aaron

00:10:48 – 00:10:53

I'm not taking two one year olds anywhere for four days. I'm sorry. They're stay they're staying at home.

Ian

00:10:53 – 00:10:57

So having the individual trips, I do feel like is, very nice.

Aaron

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Aaron

00:10:57 – 00:11:08

Yeah. We each so we each have an individual trip that is, like, guaranteed to happen every year. So I have a guy's trip. She has a girl's trip. That happens every single year.

Aaron

00:11:08 – 00:11:23

Yep. We I'd say maybe once a week or every other week, she goes out on some weekday night to get her nails done. So it'll be like, put the kids down, eat a quick dinner, and then she's gone. It's like, that's super fun. Yeah.

Aaron

00:11:24 – 00:11:40

I do, like, a a guy's breakfast. So I I have you know, I sneak out some mornings to do that. We alternate. We have a weekly bible study. We alternate who goes to that because we're not, like, we're not gonna pay $50 for some babysitter to come watch monitors every week.

Aaron

00:11:41 – 00:11:43

Man, babysitter. What a scam.

Ian

00:11:43 – 00:11:47

Oh, man. I'm glad I'm out of the babysitter game. That was crazy. Big money. We paid the baby.

Aaron

00:11:47 – 00:12:00

Big money. And then I don't know if there's anything else. Oh, we do like a once a month supper club like we've talked about, but we both go to that. And that's that's when we do pay a babysitter for. So I feel like we get our, you know, we get our get out of the house, but you're right.

Aaron

00:12:00 – 00:12:13

It is very hard at this stage to get both of us out of the house because it's just, like, it's expensive. And sometimes it's logistically hard to find a babysitter that's Yeah. Like, willing to watch four, you know Right. Four kids under four.

Aaron

00:12:13 – 00:12:14

Yeah.

Ian

00:12:14 – 00:12:24

That's a big project. And, yeah, it's like even we even it's like there were definitely times, like, any amount of money. Money. It's like there just isn't somebody to do it. Like, we just don't have to tell you for any amount of money.

Ian

00:12:24 – 00:12:28

We can't require a person to come here and do this for an overnight or whatever. Even Or it's a 17 year

Aaron

00:12:28 – 00:12:34

old and they text you at 06:45, and they're supposed to be there at seven. And they're like, oh, I'm sorry. I can't come tonight.

Ian

00:12:34 – 00:12:41

You're like We totally ditched them. What? We never even did it. Once we got into the mix heavy with it, we were like, no. No.

Ian

00:12:41 – 00:12:43

No. They all have to be college

Aaron

00:12:43 – 00:12:43

Ian

00:12:43 – 00:12:54

older. Yeah. Like Yeah. The the high schoolers can't cut it with the three kids. Like, now three kids plus, like, even the college kids don't there was some rough ones, but they were overall better.

Ian

00:12:54 – 00:13:03

We ended up going more with the college kids or, like, when you get the day we already talked about this before, but when you get the kids in daycare at some point or preschool or whatever, like, that's a great place.

Aaron

00:13:04 – 00:13:04

Steal some teachers.

Ian

00:13:05 – 00:13:08

Choir, the test babysitter. She likes, oh, what's your deal?

Aaron

00:13:09 – 00:13:21

What come to you? I actually I was at the YMCA the other day dropping the kids off, and I heard one of the other moms I'm not a mom. I heard one of the other parents saying, saying, like, well, you'll see miss so and so tonight. Bye. We'll see you soon.

Aaron

00:13:21 – 00:13:26

And I was like, you are recruiting YMCA teachers to be babysitters.

Ian

00:13:26 – 00:13:29

You gotta grab them up. That's one of the best thoughts.

Aaron

00:13:29 – 00:13:30

Very, very smart.

Ian

00:13:30 – 00:13:34

Yeah. They are, of course, the most expensive. So now you're paying $4 an hour or whatever.

Aaron

00:13:34 – 00:13:35

Oh, easily.

Ian

00:13:35 – 00:13:40

Or more probably now. That was it's been, like, five years. Why is it babysitter? So yeah.

Aaron

00:13:41 – 00:13:43

Well, you wanna talk to Fusion release?

Ian

00:13:43 – 00:13:47

Yes. No. I wanna do an ad read first since we're sprinkling.

Aaron

00:13:47 – 00:14:05

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Ian

00:14:05 – 00:14:11

I just tickled pink tickled pink with any tool that is s three compatible.

Aaron

00:14:11 – 00:14:12

Oh, it's great.

Ian

00:14:12 – 00:14:14

Love the idea of, like

Aaron

00:14:14 – 00:14:15

it's easy.

Ian

00:14:15 – 00:14:21

Three compatible. Like, you already have some library that connects to s three. You just change this key, and now

Aaron

00:14:21 – 00:14:22

you're using this ownership over here.

Ian

00:14:22 – 00:14:25

Ever. Yes. So great. I love it. It's like, what are these things?

Ian

00:14:25 – 00:14:34

I have no interest at all to solve anything with developers. We talked about this terrible customers. But if I ever had an idea for something that was s three compatible, that could flip me.

Aaron

00:14:34 – 00:14:34

I I

Aaron

00:14:34 – 00:14:41

one time, looked up all the s three compatible file systems, and there are, like, a dozen of them.

Ian

00:14:41 – 00:14:45

Oh, yeah. Right. Yeah. If you're doing some kind of file system thing, right, you have how can you do it?

Aaron

00:14:46 – 00:14:58

Like, Cloudflare r two, Backblaze b two, Azure's, all their stuff. And then, like, all of these ones that you've never heard of in your life, it's like, we're s three compatible. Just use the s three driver. And you're like, that is incredibly smart. Good for you.

Ian

00:14:58 – 00:14:59

Digital oceans thing. I'm

Aaron

00:14:59 – 00:15:00

gonna get it.

Ian

00:15:00 – 00:15:08

Let's, you know, whatever their block storage, whatever it's called. Mhmm. Yeah. Anyway, s three compatibility is so good. Love it.

Aaron

00:15:09 – 00:15:10

Anyway Now that's a good hack.

Ian

00:15:10 – 00:15:14

Fusion release on your birthday. You dropped Fusion on the Release.

Aaron

00:15:15 – 00:15:15

Blue

Ian

00:15:15 – 00:15:16

steel. It came out.

Aaron

00:15:17 – 00:15:19

Yes. Gave people what they wanted. So

Ian

00:15:20 – 00:15:21

How'd it go? How would you

Aaron

00:15:22 – 00:15:40

I think it went really well. I I think I think it went really well. It was a it was a tough week. I have done this to myself a whole bunch of times, but there's nothing to learn from here. But it was just like, oh, man, I got a lot to do and not a lot of time to do it.

Aaron

00:15:40 – 00:15:43

I've been yet again hoisted by my own petard.

Ian

00:15:43 – 00:15:45

There's always a lot to do.

Aaron

00:15:45 – 00:15:46

There's always a lot of hoisting.

Ian

00:15:46 – 00:15:47

You're done.

Aaron

00:15:47 – 00:16:00

Yes. And so, to my to my great credit, rather probably to my wife's great credit, I didn't push it from Monday to Tuesday. I pushed it from Monday to Friday. So that was that was.

Ian

00:16:00 – 00:16:01

Major key. Very.

Aaron

00:16:01 – 00:16:20

Major key. So, you know, Friday comes around, and I'm like, I'm I'm not done. It's Friday morning, and I'm like, this is not ready. Yeah. So I sat down, did a little more, like, a little more, development, and got it to a place where I was like,

Ian

00:16:21 – 00:16:21

okay.

Aaron

00:16:21 – 00:16:30

This is this is done enough. Yes. It works. Both the one of the things I discovered Thursday night Okay. Yeah.

Aaron

00:16:30 – 00:16:41

Was, that, you know, there's, like, the procedural approach and the class based approach. And one of the things, like, the state syncing on the class based approach just didn't work at all.

Ian

00:16:41 – 00:16:41

I was

Aaron

00:16:41 – 00:16:41

like,

Ian

00:16:41 – 00:16:42

well, that's a problem.

Aaron

00:16:42 – 00:16:50

Honestly, it's really bad. And I realized I had just never written it. Never ever written it. Just, like, it didn't work because it didn't exist.

Ian

00:16:50 – 00:16:51

That's a problem.

Aaron

00:16:51 – 00:16:52

It was in a null state.

Ian

00:16:52 – 00:17:00

I was thinking you shoulda ditched that class based one. Like, not maybe forever, but I was wondering if you actually needed it both passed. You know?

Aaron

00:17:00 – 00:17:19

It's very funny that you say that Yeah. Because, I've heard almost an exactly equal number of times. Well, I really like this one, but I really hate that one. And this and that is the procedural in the class. And it was, like, immediately after the talk, people were like, oh, I'm so glad that it's procedural.

Aaron

00:17:19 – 00:17:20

Right.

Aaron

00:17:20 – 00:17:20

And people

Aaron

00:17:20 – 00:17:25

were like, oh, I'm so glad you showed class based at the end because I love that. Yeah. It's like Yeah. Yeah. Well yeah.

Ian

00:17:26 – 00:17:32

I'm thinking about them both, but I was just thinking that for launch wise, it could be that But whatever. Obviously, you

Aaron

00:17:32 – 00:17:46

can put that That would've wisdom would've dictated that I chose one from the beginning, and yet here we are. So, yeah, I finished it up, finished up the last bit of the documentation, which as you noted is extensive.

Ian

00:17:46 – 00:17:47

Big old

Aaron

00:17:47 – 00:18:00

read me. Big old read me. And then, you know, started tuning up to just the last few like, I squashed all the git history because it was, like, literally a 70 WIP commits. Every single one.

Ian

00:18:00 – 00:18:02

That little, I thought, might be more. That's not too bad.

Aaron

00:18:02 – 00:18:03

No. It's not too bad.

Ian

00:18:03 – 00:18:04

You guys

Aaron

00:18:04 – 00:18:04

have to

Aaron

00:18:05 – 00:18:06

Yeah. Squash them all.

Ian

00:18:06 – 00:18:07

Nobody needs to look back at some No.

Aaron

00:18:07 – 00:18:22

Don't want anybody seeing all that. Yeah. And then it was, like, 01:30, and I was getting my hairs cut at two. And I was like, okay. I don't need to I don't need to turn this live and then go be trapped in the barber chair and freaking out.

Aaron

00:18:22 – 00:18:42

So I waited, came back, and then I just flipped it. I flipped it live and didn't tell anybody and, like, tested it that I could pull it down and install it. Because before that, it's like it's not on Packagist. It's not on public GitHub. It's very hard to have, like, a full run of testing Yeah.

Aaron

00:18:42 – 00:18:46

In a way that a user would actually do it, which is like composer install or composer require.

Ian

00:18:46 – 00:18:46

Right.

Aaron

00:18:46 – 00:18:57

And so I flipped it live, did a little bit of testing, was like, hey. This all actually works. I installed it in a new app. Like, the NPM stuff worked. Everything worked.

Aaron

00:18:58 – 00:19:34

And so then I took the old video, the launch video, and put together a little tweet thread. And I'm I'm calling it a developer preview, which is, like, basically another name for alpha, but base saying, like, hey. Y'all this is literally day one, and I'm competing with, like, you know, Next JS that has the the power of the Borg behind it and has been, you know, working for five years on it. And it's like, this is not going to be as good as that. And so that was a little bit harrowing just thinking, like, this is not as good as, you know, next or next or anything else.

Aaron

00:19:34 – 00:19:41

And so, but I'm happy I'm happy with how the launch went, and I'm happy with the reception so far.

Ian

00:19:41 – 00:19:45

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think you gotta get it out there. Right? Because you need the feedback.

Ian

00:19:45 – 00:20:09

You need people using it. Like, at some point, you just have to have devs trying to do stuff with it Yeah. And, see what they say and how it goes and all that stuff. So I saw some people posting about, kind of digging into how it works, which I think is usually a good sign. Like, if you get some of that attraction of, like, people, like, doing articles and posts about here's the weird inner workings of

Aaron

00:20:09 – 00:20:09

how this

Ian

00:20:09 – 00:20:12

this magic thing works. Like, that's usually good for just getting the ball rolling on

Aaron

00:20:12 – 00:20:12

Yeah.

Ian

00:20:12 – 00:20:20

Interest and all that. Have you had people I assume some people have installed it and are tried some stuff out with with it and Yeah.

Aaron

00:20:20 – 00:20:20

I got

Ian

00:20:20 – 00:20:21

some feedback going?

Aaron

00:20:22 – 00:20:27

Yeah. I got a I got a few, like, hey. I I played with it. It's awesome. Way to go.

Aaron

00:20:27 – 00:20:44

But then I got some that were like, hey. Is this how you would do, like, a counter component infusion? And it wasn't. Like, it was not how I would do it. And it's very interesting because there's like a it's almost it's almost like a mixed paradigm.

Aaron

00:20:44 – 00:21:07

Like, you can declare the state on the back end, but then you don't like, you can you have your full front end framework, and you can just, like, keep the state down there until you need to send it back. Yeah. And so it's it's not like, you know, it's not like, you gotta sync the state back and forth very often. And so he I assume it was he he had the, component. It was like count was on the back end.

Aaron

00:21:08 – 00:21:15

And he had tied a click handler to increment, which was a function on the back end that would increment the count. And it's like that

Ian

00:21:15 – 00:21:17

turning it into Livewire kind of

Aaron

00:21:17 – 00:21:32

Exactly. It's like Right. That works, but you'd like, you don't need to do that. Send it down, do all the counting in view. And then if you ever need to send it back, you can do that with the state syncing, but, like, you don't keep the state on the back end.

Aaron

00:21:32 – 00:21:53

And that's one of the things, like, this is not their fault. This is like a like a communication thing. But that's one of the things that I super like about it is it's basically, like, an easy way to throw stuff over the wall in either direction. Right. And then once you're over there into front end's land, like, just live there.

Aaron

00:21:53 – 00:22:04

Do your thing over there and then come back if you need to. And that's that is kinda, like, one of the things I super like about it is that the lines of demarcation are super clear between front end and back end.

Ian

00:22:05 – 00:22:17

Yeah. I think that makes sense. And, like, to me, that's sort of, like, would be the definitely the angle on it for you, right, for you. Because I feel like the with the adoption push being more towards, like, JavaScript developers. Right?

Ian

00:22:17 – 00:22:26

It's like, yeah. Like, whereas, like, livewire pitch is to, like, back end minded developers. Right. It's like, I want everything on the server. I always want it to be on the server.

Ian

00:22:26 – 00:22:47

I wanna know where everything is based on server variables, and then the front end reacts to that. Whereas the JavaScript crew is obviously generally coming more from the, like, everything's in the front end. And then occasionally, I throw something over the wall to be stored when I want a sword. And so I like that idea of it being, like, like, in your examples, you eventually build and all that stuff. It's like, look at all this is front endy, front endy.

Aaron

00:22:47 – 00:22:48

Yes.

Ian

00:22:48 – 00:23:06

And then when you want to store something because you don't want it to get lost or whatever, then great. You push the button and it goes and stores it or whatever. But, but yeah, it's like mental model wise, that would seems like it makes sense if you're going to the, JavaScript people for them to

Aaron

00:23:06 – 00:23:25

Yeah. And that's that's my whole that's my entire goal is to get to get these JavaScript people over like, lower the the barrier to entry into the Laravel ecosystem. I think it would be great for Laravel. I think it would be great for the people that flee the JavaScript back ends. The JavaScript front ends are fine.

Ian

00:23:25 – 00:23:27

But Back ends are weird.

Aaron

00:23:27 – 00:23:43

And I think it would be great for for us if they came over and we're like, Fusion's the way to go. Let's who is this Aaron person? So it feels like if I could get to a point where JavaScript developers are like, yeah. That seems like an a nice ramp onboard ramp for me. It's gonna be good for everybody.

Aaron

00:23:43 – 00:23:45

So that's that's the hope.

Ian

00:23:46 – 00:23:55

So I guess then, obviously, then it's nice that you're the guy who can do the videos and things like that around the evangelism of this as well. Mhmm.

Aaron

00:23:55 – 00:23:55

That's what

Ian

00:23:55 – 00:24:01

I'll see in your wheelhouse here. So any progress on how's the backstage doing? And, like, the idea of, like, maybe I

Aaron

00:24:01 – 00:24:02

can check.

Ian

00:24:02 – 00:24:04

Helpers and things like that.

Aaron

00:24:04 – 00:24:13

Let me check to see how many people. Just anecdotally, it's been it's been great.

Ian

00:24:14 – 00:24:14

Cool.

Aaron

00:24:15 – 00:24:29

It's been very helpful. Lots of, like, great feedback. I can ask a question, and I get 10 people with, like, well considered opinions very quickly. 41 people in in the backstage.

Ian

00:24:29 – 00:24:30

Okay.

Aaron

00:24:30 – 00:24:32

Yeah. Not bad. No. It's great.

Ian

00:24:32 – 00:24:36

Okay. It's a cool chunk of money and, like, a nice group of people to, like Yeah.

Aaron

00:24:36 – 00:24:37

And that's like all. Too.

Ian

00:24:37 – 00:24:42

It'd be nice to have, like, a because I always think about this from, like, what Sanderson does, author Sanderson.

Aaron

00:24:42 – 00:24:44

Which I started listening to that. Maybe we should talk about that.

Ian

00:24:44 – 00:24:45

Oh, shoot. We should definitely do that.

Aaron

00:24:45 – 00:24:50

Well, no. No. Sorry. I don't wanna get you too excited. I started listening to his interview with Tim Ferris, Not

Ian

00:24:50 – 00:24:51

one of the yeah.

Aaron

00:24:51 – 00:24:53

We can still we can talk about that. Yeah.

Ian

00:24:53 – 00:25:05

So I don't know if you got I think he talked about it in that interview, but, like, he has, like, a hundred beta readers, and he, like, sends it out to get feedback on these, you know, books he writes before they publish. Let's say now that you have, like, a crew

Aaron

00:25:05 – 00:25:05

Mhmm.

Ian

00:25:05 – 00:25:13

Backstage who's like, for the like this, you could have put it out to them a couple weeks ago if you had this kind of maybe, you know, it was more established at that point.

Aaron

00:25:13 – 00:25:13

Aaron

00:25:13 – 00:25:22

actually gave it to them on Monday. What did you did? I added them all to the GitHub repo and was like, hey. It's not public, but you're free to go look around and tell me what you think. So yeah.

Aaron

00:25:22 – 00:25:23

Totally.

Ian

00:25:23 – 00:25:33

So there you go. That kind of thing. It'd be having a group where you could be like, here's our early to some new feature or whatever it is. And let a small group kick it around before, you know, you just release it for Apple.

Aaron

00:25:33 – 00:25:39

Before I unleash it to the horrors of the Internet. Yeah. I have I have my my friends that can help me before then.

Ian

00:25:39 – 00:25:42

Exactly. Oh, that's cool. Okay. So that's great.

Aaron

00:25:42 – 00:25:56

Yeah. So, backstage is going great. Very, very helpful to have, thoughtful people giving me, you know, early feedback on like, I popped in there and was like, hey. What do I name these variables? Like, these these public facing variables.

Aaron

00:25:56 – 00:26:08

Like, what do y'all what would you expect them to be named? We got some good feedback on that. Already gotten a lot of interest in the React version and, like, how it could work in a very React y way, which is nice because I don't know.

Aaron

00:26:09 – 00:26:09

Right.

Aaron

00:26:10 – 00:26:28

And yeah. So that all that all is going super great. I am I'm I'm very excited about it. Like, there sometimes I get in this sometimes I'll do a thing and then, like, publish it and be like, I don't actually wanna, like, look at that or think about that. Is this Yeah.

Aaron

00:26:28 – 00:26:45

Like, it's done. I'm I'm kinda over it. Let's, like, move on. This, I'm thinking, like, oh, you know what would be fun? If I forked, like, the, inertia view starter kit from Laravel and practice, like, turning it into a fusion starter kit and see what I bump into along the way.

Aaron

00:26:45 – 00:26:54

Because, like, right now, I even don't know the best way to submit a form and do validation in fusion. Right. That's a problem. I gotta figure that out. Like Yeah.

Aaron

00:26:54 – 00:27:06

And and likely, I will need to build something to make form submissions, like, stupid easy. And so I'm excited about that. Whereas, you know, before, I would have been like, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

Aaron

00:27:06 – 00:27:12

Like, it just it doesn't work. It doesn't work. Don't use it. So I feel good about it. I'm I'm super positive.

Ian

00:27:13 – 00:27:15

Are the starter kits out yet? I don't think they're out yet.

Aaron

00:27:15 – 00:27:16

The new ones are not. No.

Aaron

00:27:16 – 00:27:16

Yeah.

Ian

00:27:16 – 00:27:17

Yeah. No.

Aaron

00:27:17 – 00:27:26

I think that's, next Monday, actually. I think it's the twenty fourth. And Taylor just just tweeted, I've got a I've got a surprise for the starter kits.

Ian

00:27:27 – 00:27:29

Uh-oh. Like, what? How do you what do you gonna be?

Aaron

00:27:29 – 00:27:32

I have no idea. I don't know.

Ian

00:27:32 – 00:27:34

Why is it for the starter kits? What could it be?

Aaron

00:27:35 – 00:27:41

I don't know. It's not gonna be something like Stripe integration in the starter kits. That's just like a long term maintenance nightmare.

Ian

00:27:41 – 00:27:49

Yeah. And Stripes, maybe they're gonna do, like do they still have any pay Nova is still paid. Right? Could they be making, like, Nova

Aaron

00:27:49 – 00:27:52

Nova and Spark are paid. I guess they could make Spark free.

Ian

00:27:53 – 00:27:55

Oh, Spark is still there and paid?

Aaron

00:27:55 – 00:27:56

I think spark is still a thing.

Ian

00:27:57 – 00:27:58

Okay. Lighten up with the

Aaron

00:27:58 – 00:28:05

Nobody talks about it. Yeah. Laravel spark. Yeah. Wild that Laravel spark is still a thing.

Ian

00:28:05 – 00:28:06

I could see them

Aaron

00:28:06 – 00:28:10

99 and $1.99. I could see them. I could see them. Free.

Ian

00:28:10 – 00:28:10

Right?

Aaron

00:28:10 – 00:28:10

Yeah. Yeah.

Ian

00:28:10 – 00:28:11

Added in or

Aaron

00:28:12 – 00:28:15

Alright. I take it back. This is my prediction. Spark becomes free.

Ian

00:28:15 – 00:28:22

Yeah. I can see that. And it's, like, just, like, option in the installer that's, like, those park ins. You get

Aaron

00:28:22 – 00:28:25

Yeah. So you can have payments and all this stuff.

Ian

00:28:25 – 00:28:27

I think that would make sense.

Aaron

00:28:27 – 00:28:31

Man, that's kinda not believe Spark is still a thing.

Ian

00:28:31 – 00:28:39

Yeah. I guess I guess I guess when Stripe kinda really pushed, like, their own checkout page thing and has all that stuff on my end, that kind of

Aaron

00:28:39 – 00:28:40

Yeah.

Ian

00:28:41 – 00:28:44

Maybe took the need for Spark down a notch I

Aaron

00:28:44 – 00:28:52

think it did. Days. But Because I think what Spark ended up becoming was basically a customer portal a la Stripe.

Ian

00:28:53 – 00:29:06

Right. Yeah. It was, earlier. But now I think when you use it I think I was in there not that long ago looking around, and it basically just I mean, there's options to do it the old way, but I think you could also just, like it's just a router to the Stripe checkout, basically Yeah. Too.

Ian

00:29:06 – 00:29:13

And so, like but then still there is I think it does the user management and stuff. Right? If I recall. So, like

Aaron

00:29:14 – 00:29:14

Yeah. Maybe so.

Ian

00:29:14 – 00:29:19

Stuff in there. Well, we'll find out. Useful. You know, you don't want to build all that. I mean, all that.

Aaron

00:29:20 – 00:29:27

Yeah. Interesting, man. Sparks bringing back memories. That's crazy. That's crazy.

Aaron

00:29:27 – 00:29:56

Yeah. I don't know what the surprise will be, but they've got Tony Lee working on all those starter kits. And I think it just seems like it seems like Laravel is just executing the perfect playbook. Like, having someone in house building starter kits for, you know, whatever it is, three different ecosystems, Livewire, Vue, and React, and maybe a plain bladed one. It just seems like this is the obvious thing to do.

Ian

00:29:56 – 00:30:06

Yeah. Yeah. Why let all these randos out there sell starter kits? Like, just have first party awesome starter kits. And, like, there'll still be a market for, like, the if you want something maybe more

Aaron

00:30:06 – 00:30:07

Of course.

Ian

00:30:07 – 00:30:16

Farther down. Right? So something more sophisticated than makes sense to release as, like, a baseline starter kit. But, yeah, I think that makes sense. I didn't realize he was building them.

Ian

00:30:16 – 00:30:20

I thought. So is he is he but he's still doing the developer evangelism too. Right? Or no?

Aaron

00:30:21 – 00:30:23

You might be mixing two people up. Tony Mhmm.

Ian

00:30:24 – 00:30:24

I don't

Aaron

00:30:24 – 00:30:40

I don't know that Tony is doing developer evangelism at all, actually. Alright. He might be. I don't know. But I know that, like, Kristoff, Josh Siri, and Christophe Rumpel are all doing the the public facing, DevRel stuff.

Ian

00:30:40 – 00:30:42

Yeah. It's awesome now than a full time person on,

Aaron

00:30:42 – 00:30:43

on,

Ian

00:30:45 – 00:30:47

yeah. I don't know. When Cloud's released in the twenty fourth too. Right?

Aaron

00:30:47 – 00:30:49

Twenty fourth as well. It's all twenty fourth.

Ian

00:30:50 – 00:30:51

I know. Twenty fourth. Big day.

Aaron

00:30:52 – 00:30:53

Big day.

Ian

00:30:53 – 00:30:55

Is there about twelve that day?

Aaron

00:30:55 – 00:30:56

Laravel twelve is that day.

Ian

00:30:56 – 00:30:57

Damn. That's all shit on top

Aaron

00:30:57 – 00:31:00

of that. Some packages updated. Yeah.

Ian

00:31:00 – 00:31:00

I totally forgot

Aaron

00:31:00 – 00:31:01

about that.

Ian

00:31:01 – 00:31:03

Oh, no. They're gonna be after you.

Aaron

00:31:04 – 00:31:12

Oh, they're always after me. Better get on that. I know. I need to do that. Now that now that open source is, like, part of our business, I need to be a better open source boy.

Ian

00:31:12 – 00:31:16

Oh my goodness. Yeah. We gotta hire somebody. It could be the

Aaron

00:31:16 – 00:31:38

I know. We've actually, we've talked about that. Hiring a a part time, utility player slash open source maintenance person. And I think it's probably in the cards. The goal the goal is to still get screen casting out or get it all recorded before the end of this month, so we probably won't do it because whoops.

Aaron

00:31:38 – 00:31:50

It's the seventeenth. So we probably won't hire someone before the end of this month. But, after that, we may look into that. And there are actually some some people in the backstage that, like, I could, you know, talk to and be like, hey. You're here.

Aaron

00:31:50 – 00:31:52

You've been around. What's your deal?

Ian

00:31:53 – 00:31:58

Yeah. Or even, like, one offs. Like, you can't even start lower commitment. Like, I mean, just to update these packages to Laravel 12. Right?

Ian

00:31:58 – 00:32:10

Like, you can't your x dollars 1 time. Like, just get these all updated Laravel 12. Like, know what I mean? Like, it's not Yeah. It doesn't even need ongoing and that's not like, it could just be sprinkling in one time contracting.

Aaron

00:32:12 – 00:32:12

It's a

Ian

00:32:12 – 00:32:23

good idea. Along the way until you get where you wanna maybe more of a commitment of somebody part time or whatever. But you could do both. I did. I I've had a good experience, with a contractor here recently with the new HelpSpot logo.

Ian

00:32:23 – 00:32:26

We did a new HelpSpot logo, and I like how that came out.

Aaron

00:32:26 – 00:32:29

So Yeah. Let's talk let's talk about HelpSpot. Let's let's let's move on to HelpSpot.

Ian

00:32:30 – 00:32:40

Segment. Alright. Hold on. This HelpSpot segment is brought to you by Moonbase Labs. We're the rocket fuel your lab project needs to reach escape velocity.

Ian

00:32:41 – 00:32:49

Houston, we have a solution at moonbaselabs.com. So thank you to Moonbase Labs for sponsoring the help spot segment.

Aaron

00:32:49 – 00:32:52

Flawless. Alright. I got two help spot things.

Aaron

00:32:52 – 00:32:53

Got it.

Aaron

00:32:53 – 00:33:03

You got a sick new logo and then Sick new logo. Recently, you posted, you posted, like, an all time revenue chart, and I'll I'll kinda wanna talk about that. So let's talk sick new logo first.

Ian

00:33:04 – 00:33:23

Sick new logo. So HubSpot's had kind of two logos over the years. There was, like, the original logo, which was actually pretty cool, but it definitely got a little dated. And then the logo we have now, which I hate, which is just, like, totally generic, like, just lowercase letters kinda thing. And so, yeah, one new logo.

Ian

00:33:23 – 00:33:50

Tried last year to contract with some people for a logo, totally crash and burn. They they had, like, they had, like, the and this is a big known entity. Not it was, like, not even clip art level. And it was, like, stolen stuff. Like, they had, like, an Amazon smile thing, and they had, like, the AT and T logo.

Aaron

00:33:51 – 00:33:51

I was

Ian

00:33:51 – 00:33:57

like, this is just like I don't know. Like, these are just, like, super huge company known logos. Like, if you're gonna steal

Aaron

00:33:57 – 00:33:57

If you're

Aaron

00:33:57 – 00:34:00

gonna steal steal from someone that can't defend themselves.

Ian

00:34:00 – 00:34:06

Yeah. Like, I'm not gonna go ask them strategy. Smile. Like, I don't know. Like, that's a little and it's, like,

Aaron

00:34:07 – 00:34:07

not even

Ian

00:34:07 – 00:34:11

a little crap. It was, like, just, like, really stolen. So

Aaron

00:34:11 – 00:34:11

Oh, man.

Ian

00:34:11 – 00:34:21

It's okay. So I lost $3,500 there. Whatever. You trash that. And then Dave at, Lara County U bumped into Will King.

Aaron

00:34:21 – 00:34:22

Mhmm.

Ian

00:34:22 – 00:34:26

And they were talking about the logo stuff, and so he was interested in doing it. So he did it. And,

Aaron

00:34:26 – 00:34:35

Will Will King, who is, famous for making logos for fusion. That that's what he made. Yes. Super famous. In case y'all don't know first.

Aaron

00:34:35 – 00:34:37

That's why he's so famous. Yeah.

Ian

00:34:37 – 00:34:40

Fusion and the other your other open source. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Yeah.

Ian

00:34:40 – 00:34:54

So, yeah, those really nice logos there. And he, it's kind of I don't know if this is just the vibe he's in right now, but it's kind of thick lines and that stuff. I think that stuff, a lot. And so yeah. So he did whipped us up a whole slot logo, and it's, like, nice.

Ian

00:34:54 – 00:35:06

It was, like, fat like, for me, the logo is, like, we are a small company. I'm not, like, so much worried about the branding. It's not, like, the it's never gonna be, like, a everybody knows this logo kind of thing. Right? So I don't really care about it.

Ian

00:35:06 – 00:35:10

It's, like, let's spend six months on, like, making sure it's FedEx quality and

Aaron

00:35:11 – 00:35:11

Right.

Ian

00:35:11 – 00:35:25

Secret meanings and all the stuff. Right? It's, like, just want something distinctive and that looks good, and that maybe has some fun things we could play around with. They're gonna do some bug or stuff on the website or whatever. So and I think he nailed it.

Ian

00:35:25 – 00:35:33

I was very happy with it, so it looks good. Yeah. So new logo and new color scheme, which would be nice. We're gonna do new websites.

Aaron

00:35:34 – 00:35:37

So is this full, like, full refresh for HelpSpot?

Ian

00:35:38 – 00:35:52

Full refresh. So I've been working on the new website, and that's, like, very close to being ready. Here's a little side adventure for you. I was trying to push through, which, whatever. I've I just try to try to do this too much anymore, but I was like, I'm just gonna work.

Ian

00:35:52 – 00:35:59

Alright. We have half day fries. I'm like, I'm just gonna work all day Friday. I'm gonna work all weekend. Cause it was supposed to snow and freezing rain and there wasn't gonna be much going on.

Ian

00:35:59 – 00:36:11

I'm just gonna get this website done. And then I'm just gonna get like a sort of like generic V one of it done. And then will's gonna work with us on like making it a little snazzier. Right? Great.

Ian

00:36:11 – 00:36:28

And I'd like to get this all done before my trip, which is March 9. And I'm gonna be away for, like, week and a half and whatever. So we're trying to move it along Friday afternoon, my parents' house, which we're trying to sell as we talked about. Right. And is in contract for now months and still hasn't finished closed.

Ian

00:36:28 – 00:36:37

And the people asked us not to put too much oil in the tank because they're getting rid of the oil tank and they're replacing it. And we're trying to be nice. And you know, when you're nice, it never works out.

Aaron

00:36:37 – 00:36:39

Never be nice. No.

Ian

00:36:39 – 00:36:42

It's always the wrong decision in these kind of things.

Aaron

00:36:42 – 00:36:48

Being nice is just a cover for being a psychopath also. So you don't don't be nice. Don't forget. Yeah.

Ian

00:36:48 – 00:36:53

Knowledge we've received. Yeah. Yes. I was being nice. And, it's like, okay.

Ian

00:36:53 – 00:37:01

Let's put in a little oil. And then we had to put in a little more oil. And we have them come back. So, of course, it ran out of oil on Friday.

Aaron

00:37:01 – 00:37:02

Right.

Ian

00:37:02 – 00:37:10

And it's, you know, freezing temperatures. There's no oil. The house is already down to, like, 40 something degrees when we figured out that it was out of oil.

Aaron

00:37:10 – 00:37:13

Oil. I don't even understand oil. Like,

Ian

00:37:13 – 00:37:13

I know.

Aaron

00:37:13 – 00:37:18

What you guys don't have. You guys have, like, furnaces from the forties?

Ian

00:37:18 – 00:37:19

You use wood?

Aaron

00:37:19 – 00:37:20

Gas, I guess.

Ian

00:37:21 – 00:37:26

Yeah. I my house has natural gas, which is way better, obviously, because it's infinite supply and pipe

Aaron

00:37:26 – 00:37:27

It is free.

Ian

00:37:28 – 00:37:36

It's very cheap, but, a lot of houses use oil up here. So Wow. They're banging the dead dinosaurs. I mean, not if you ask

Aaron

00:37:36 – 00:37:37

Serves them. Right?

Ian

00:37:37 – 00:37:46

But whatever. Anyway, there's oil tank there. So we got to get oil. No place will deliver oil. They don't do emergency delivery anymore.

Ian

00:37:46 – 00:37:54

Nobody can deliver it. They're gonna deliver it Monday. Cool. So what we had to do, I don't have any gas tools. I don't have any gas.

Ian

00:37:54 – 00:38:03

You can't use regular gas anymore. So I had to go to Lowe's and I had to buy two five gallon gas holding things. Right? And then I had to go

Aaron

00:38:03 – 00:38:05

to Spoken like a true expert.

Ian

00:38:05 – 00:38:10

Yeah. You guys got gas holding things. Work at manual labor. Okay? Here, buddy.

Ian

00:38:10 – 00:38:11

Aaron

00:38:11 – 00:38:13

Oh, good, sir. The The gas holding thing.

Ian

00:38:14 – 00:38:19

What do you have that holds gas in this dump? So I had to go to the gas station.

Aaron

00:38:19 – 00:38:19

I had

Ian

00:38:19 – 00:38:24

to get diesel fuel because that's basically home heating oil is just diesel gas. So

Aaron

00:38:24 – 00:38:25

Good lord.

Ian

00:38:26 – 00:38:31

Bring it to the house. And my brother's there. We're, like, trying to figure this thing out. We're dumping the gas in manually.

Aaron

00:38:31 – 00:38:34

Sloshing 10 gallons of diesel through this house.

Ian

00:38:34 – 00:38:45

And well, the so the way it works is there's a pipe that comes out on the outside. Okay. So you don't have to go into the house, but so you we're dumping it down as pipe, but you know, it's a messy process. Diesel fuels all

Aaron

00:38:45 – 00:38:45

over the course,

Ian

00:38:45 – 00:38:58

diesel fuel, but going back and forth, because 10 gallons not gonna be enough because this is Friday. So it's gotta make it till Monday and it's freezing out. So we go three runs. We get 30 gallons of diesel fuel. It takes a lot of time

Aaron

00:38:58 – 00:38:58

to go.

Aaron

00:38:58 – 00:38:59

Like this.

Ian

00:39:00 – 00:39:08

It's like so that was Friday. So Friday is shot. Then we were supposed to go away Friday too. We we were the

Aaron

00:39:08 – 00:39:14

concept of gassing up the house. Like, you're standing on the outside, pouring stuff down a tube. You're like, well, I gotta gas up the house.

Ian

00:39:14 – 00:39:15

I gotta gas

Aaron

00:39:15 – 00:39:15

up the house.

Aaron

00:39:15 – 00:39:18

Totally totally foreign to me. Yeah.

Ian

00:39:18 – 00:39:19

It's crazy.

Aaron

00:39:19 – 00:39:23

National Lampoon's level foreign. Like, gassing it up.

Ian

00:39:23 – 00:39:31

I think they picture my brother gassing up the house, and it is quite a funny picture because it's just like Jeez. Yeah. It's a weird spot. It's a big, you know, five gallons of gas. It's heavy.

Ian

00:39:31 – 00:39:39

We're trying to lift this thing, try not to spill it all over us, failing at that, spilled all over us. Luckily, I have a pickup truck. Gotta have a pickup truck.

Aaron

00:39:39 – 00:39:40

Gotta have a pickup truck.

Ian

00:39:40 – 00:39:44

Dirty gas in the back of the pickup truck at least. So we're running back and forth.

Aaron

00:39:44 – 00:39:51

So in your in your electric truck saving the world, you're you're slapping gallons of diesel fuel around and pouring it on the ground.

Ian

00:39:51 – 00:39:51

Yeah. Exactly.

Aaron

00:39:51 – 00:39:56

So we'll we'll call that day a net neutral. Yeah. That one that one's just even Steven.

Ian

00:39:57 – 00:40:00

Electric car save the world guy. I'm just electric car is a better guy.

Aaron

00:40:01 – 00:40:03

Okay. That's fine. I'm into that. That's cool.

Ian

00:40:06 – 00:40:08

Okay. So that was Friday. Shot So

Aaron

00:40:08 – 00:40:10

the refresh didn't happen on Friday is what you're saying?

Ian

00:40:10 – 00:40:18

End up running kids around to a million different things till 5PM, Saturday shot. So Sunday, I'll

Aaron

00:40:18 – 00:40:20

work for you. I'm just hearing excuses, Ian.

Ian

00:40:20 – 00:40:20

I know.

Aaron

00:40:20 – 00:40:22

I'm just hearing excuses.

Ian

00:40:22 – 00:40:30

This is where people get mad and people say this, but you gotta do this stuff before you have the kids. Go out there. You start your business. Do that stuff for you. The kids.

Ian

00:40:30 – 00:40:45

Don't get the kids. I've only done this with kids, and it's very hard. They they eat in all the time. But They they do. Anyway, so that was all side adventure on the new HubSpot website, which is closer to being done than it was because I did get a lot of work yesterday.

Ian

00:40:45 – 00:41:01

But it is not as done as I wanted it to be. So whatever. It'll be done soon. And then we'll give it a coat of paint, and we'll be off to the races. On a new little bit more, wordy not crazy wordy, but a little bit more wordy.

Ian

00:41:01 – 00:41:09

Manifesto? I mean, it's not full. It's sort of more manifesto in that, like, you have a problem. Here is the problem. It is painful to you.

Ian

00:41:09 – 00:41:13

This is the pain. We hear your pain. Here's how we solve it.

Aaron

00:41:13 – 00:41:13

And we've

Ian

00:41:13 – 00:41:13

been solving

Aaron

00:41:13 – 00:41:14

it for

Ian

00:41:14 – 00:41:18

a long time this way, that kind. So got a little two minute video, which we've never really had.

Aaron

00:41:18 – 00:41:22

Oh, nice. Before. Video guy.

Ian

00:41:22 – 00:41:34

Video guy. Dave's the video guy. Dave did the, producer Dave that is. Yeah. So that's that's help spot design land, but nice to have a new logo.

Ian

00:41:34 – 00:41:45

Maybe we'll get some swag, do some stuff like that, have it for Laracon, pass out some help about swag, whatever. Yeah. So

Aaron

00:41:45 – 00:41:51

You gotta get I'm sure help spot swag would would do great. You gotta get Ian as godfather stickers.

Ian

00:41:52 – 00:41:52

I should

Aaron

00:41:52 – 00:42:01

think Use some AI model. Make yourself the godfather. Dad. Or business dad. Print those stickers, leave them on tables, and people they would be gone.

Ian

00:42:01 – 00:42:06

Yeah. That's a good idea. Okay. We gotta do that. We gotta do some type of Ian's sticker.

Ian

00:42:06 – 00:42:08

I want my face on a bunch of laptops somehow.

Aaron

00:42:08 – 00:42:11

Exactly. Yeah. Yes. Okay. That's what I'm talking about.

Aaron

00:42:11 – 00:42:16

Alright. No no no offense to Will King's logo, but I want Ian's face on a bunch of laptops.

Ian

00:42:16 – 00:42:23

Producer Dave, note note that. We need that for Laracon US. We gotta do something there. I don't I don't know what. We'll we'll figure out something.

Ian

00:42:23 – 00:42:26

But, yeah, some kinda Ian Ian on your laptop sticker.

Aaron

00:42:26 – 00:42:28

That that's what I want. I won't put it on my laptop

Ian

00:42:28 – 00:42:29

for sure,

Aaron

00:42:29 – 00:42:33

but I I will I will goad people into putting it onto their laptops for sure.

Aaron

00:42:34 – 00:42:34

Ian

00:42:34 – 00:42:35

love a good sticker.

Aaron

00:42:36 – 00:42:37

Love a good sticker.

Ian

00:42:37 – 00:42:38

I'm not gonna get sticker. Pop star.

Aaron

00:42:39 – 00:42:45

Oh, of course not. I gotta get these Will King logos turned into stickers because they're, like, made for that, basically.

Ian

00:42:46 – 00:42:57

Will King, I will say very nice, very fun to work with, very nice to work with. I don't even know what how he works his availability. It's not really clear to me. This is a side gig from his, you know, main gig. So I don't know.

Ian

00:42:57 – 00:43:12

If you're interested in stuff like this in terms of having some design, I'd reach out to him. I don't know if he just does it for everybody. I think he might be a little more, you know, taking gigs he's interested in, you know, being, particular, but was, definitely a great guy to work with on. So

Aaron

00:43:12 – 00:43:26

Yeah. He's excellent. Yeah. That's funny because he was there with his company, the the company that he works for, Crunchy Data, which is just, you know, a great Postgres host, really like those people over there.

Ian

00:43:26 – 00:43:26

Yeah.

Aaron

00:43:27 – 00:43:42

And everybody was coming up to Will and being like, oh, you did this logo. Oh, you're gonna come work for Laravel? Oh, Laravel should hire you. And I'm just kinda sure that I'm sure that his boss, Craig, who's very, very funny, I'm sure that his boss, Craig, is like, what the hell, man? You everybody's trying to hire you.

Aaron

00:43:42 – 00:43:48

Like, they need to come buy databases from us. But, yeah, he's he's super nice. I like working with him a lot.

Ian

00:43:49 – 00:43:57

Yeah. I haven't interacted with him too much until more recently, but, yeah, he's a good guy. And, Craig, I've known for a long time on the Internet. But Oh, really? Yeah.

Ian

00:43:57 – 00:44:00

Just random database stuff. Whatever. Yeah.

Aaron

00:44:00 – 00:44:04

I'm I met him in person for the first time at EU. Very fun. Very funny.

Ian

00:44:04 – 00:44:05

Yeah. I've never met him.

Aaron

00:44:05 – 00:44:12

Very dry, very sarcastic. Funny guy. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know what oh, I

Ian

00:44:12 – 00:44:19

just never know what this stuff would like. When people are doing things on the side, you never know what you're supposed to push them. Should I push them? I know. I push them.

Ian

00:44:19 – 00:44:21

I I push them. I get them fired. I don't know. I want

Aaron

00:44:21 – 00:44:23

them fired. He was Yeah.

Aaron

00:44:24 – 00:44:24

At there at there

Ian

00:44:24 – 00:44:25

at all.

Aaron

00:44:25 – 00:44:32

Yeah. And he only does it on nights and weekends and never on, company laptops, obviously.

Aaron

00:44:32 – 00:44:33

I don't

Aaron

00:44:33 – 00:44:44

know if that's true, but now it's on the record as being true. So you're welcome, Will. Let's talk help spot total sales by year. So here's something. Yeah.

Aaron

00:44:44 – 00:44:54

You released this, this line chart after claiming after claiming to Caleb that you need all these fancy charts and everything. He goes and puts out a simple line chart.

Ian

00:44:54 – 00:44:58

I don't know. I'm horrible. Ticks. It sounds like the chart does do ticks.

Aaron

00:44:58 – 00:44:58

But it

Aaron

00:44:58 – 00:45:01

has no y axis, so you should be fine.

Ian

00:45:01 – 00:45:11

There's a full Apple, Apple style chart where there's no you know, when they do their performance stuff, like, there's never any, like, actual numbers. It's like It's just better. Faster. Right? It's just better.

Ian

00:45:11 – 00:45:14

Like, there's no, like, data, but how much better? That's what I did.

Aaron

00:45:14 – 00:45:18

So starting in 02/2005, you've got barely anything.

Ian

00:45:18 – 00:45:19

So little.

Aaron

00:45:19 – 00:45:19

It's a little. It's a little.

Ian

00:45:19 – 00:45:21

It's only a couple months now.

Aaron

00:45:21 – 00:45:43

Had a pretty good run up to 02/2008, and then the great financial crisis hit, and your your trajectory changed a little bit, but it's still quite, like, pretty good slope from 02/2005 to 02/2012. Not a lot wrong with that. Then we hit 2012 to 13 to '20. All the way from 2012 to 2020 is basically a plateau. Yep.

Aaron

00:45:43 – 00:45:44

And then 2020 That's

Ian

00:45:44 – 00:45:48

a little bit every year for the most part, but, yes, not a lot of projected

Aaron

00:45:48 – 00:46:13

No. Level of one. If you zoom out, that's flat from 2012 to 2020. And then 2020 to 2021, we got a huge jump, and then it leveled out again. So walk us through I think, the thing I'm primarily interested in is this 2012 to '20 kind of plateau and then how you got out of that because that's a that's a big old jump from 2020 to 2021.

Ian

00:46:13 – 00:46:31

Yeah. So I think it's like, so the early years are, that was kind of like the people moving to help desk software, from client server to web based help desk software. And so there was just, like, kind of a lot of it's like people building AI stuff now. Right? It's like there's a lot of interest.

Ian

00:46:31 – 00:46:57

Although I don't know if you've seen as many, like, actual AI tools being successful, which is sort of an interesting side thing. But, anyway, yeah. And then, like, 02/2011, you start to have, like, the Zendesk and those really big funded SaaSes and stuff start to take off. So that's kinda like the start of the plateau, I would say. All but also in combination with, like, kids getting to be like, I think by then, yeah, we have by 02/2011, we have two of the three kids.

Ian

00:46:57 – 00:47:13

And then by 02/2013, we have all three kids. And so I also just, like, have a took a different task of, like, whatever. I've just spent time on other things now. Like, I just can't work all the time. And so, you know, I was fine there.

Ian

00:47:13 – 00:47:42

It's also, like, 02/2011 is, like, the there's enough money that, not that I don't have to worry about money at all because it's never made that level of money, but it's, like, it makes good money. If we stay around this level, it's fine, Mhmm. Level of money. And so that wasn't that much urgency in that point. And then, like, mostly then, it's more about, like, just, obviously, over time, you have to pay people more because, you know, grow with the company or just and wages go up in general, inflation, all that stuff.

Ian

00:47:43 – 00:48:02

So that's the part where it's like, okay. Like, keeping the growth more on that end just to, like, you know, we don't wanna run into any issues there. But, but yeah. So it was, like it's actually, it seems flat on this chart, but it's not quite as flat as you might think. I bet you it's still, like, 15% higher or something like that.

Ian

00:48:02 – 00:48:14

But, yeah, it's, like, tripping along. Twenty twenty, couple of things. Definitely, like, sales increase. I think, like, partially, you have, like, COVID and stuff. You have people buying software and things like that.

Ian

00:48:14 – 00:48:40

And then you have, I we tend to do well in, like, economic uncertainty Mhmm. Uncertain times too because we are generally much less expensive than, like, your Zendesk and things like that. So I think that is a bit of a factor also there. And then also, we did a big price increase, which is something that people, don't always think about. People don't like to increase prices.

Ian

00:48:40 – 00:48:50

But, I've always been pretty good about increasing prices along the way. So, price increases also in there. 02/2015, we started HelpSpot cloud

Aaron

00:48:50 – 00:48:50

Mhmm.

Ian

00:48:51 – 00:49:18

Where we would host it for people. And then all those years, we were adding people to HelpSpot cloud, which is, like, a really big process of, like, migrating people off their on premise servers into the cloud servers. And so as that builds up, then you have more, like, of a locked in recurring revenue situation. Because beyond help cloud, you have a subscription, whereas the older installs, it's, optional. Basically, it's like a support contract, so you don't have to renew it.

Ian

00:49:18 – 00:49:44

And so some people don't, and still use the software. So you kinda have a few different things going on there, But, it's like the recurring revenue price increase, increased sales, kind of all coming together in that time frame. And then, yeah. And then mostly the again, kinda like in a neutral zone the last couple years. But that's where we're getting back into marketing, more focused on it.

Ian

00:49:44 – 00:50:03

A new website. We got some different ideas for maybe some paid marketing, which we've never done really paid marketing and things like that. So yeah, but I think a lot of it is kinda like what my tweet or whatever was was like, this is sort of the real software world. I mean, like, it's like Yeah. People like the post to drive, like, it's just up or your ConvertKit and it's like only up.

Ian

00:50:03 – 00:50:19

And now we have five employees, 10 employees, a hundred employees. Right? And it's like up, up, up every year. But like there's so many software businesses that are just much more like that's like that are successful software businesses that are like, Hey, we had a good idea. We got it to a certain point and then we're kind of like coasting at that point.

Ian

00:50:19 – 00:50:49

Like it goes up a little bit every year, and maybe you have some big ups or maybe you have a couple big downs in there here and there. But, like, you know, you're just servicing your customers for the most part, and you're getting those expansion sales when people move to other businesses or whatever or inside the same organizations. But, you know, you're just kinda showing up every day with your lunch pail and doing the work. And that's kinda like that's what, that's what I've been doing for twenty years, which is freaking insane, actually.

Aaron

00:50:49 – 00:50:50

A working man business owner.

Ian

00:50:51 – 00:50:55

Yeah. Yeah. You just show up and take care of the customers, and then that's it.

Aaron

00:50:56 – 00:50:58

Twenty years is crazy, by the way.

Ian

00:50:58 – 00:51:01

Crazy. Right? Crazy. Crazy. Well, that would I look back at it.

Ian

00:51:01 – 00:51:17

I'm like, boy. It's starting to get I didn't used to feel this way, but the last couple years have gotten really I don't know if it's like the AI stuff maybe. But it's like 02/2005, '2 thousand '4 is now like a really long time ago in Internet. You know? It's like now that there's several phases of the Internet ago.

Ian

00:51:17 – 00:51:18

Right? Yes.

Aaron

00:51:18 – 00:51:18

So like

Ian

00:51:18 – 00:51:22

now it's like, oh, man. Like, it was like 02/2011, you had kinda social media

Aaron

00:51:23 – 00:51:23

Mhmm.

Ian

00:51:23 – 00:51:32

Lies, you know? And it's like, should we have social media connectors and all this stuff, which we never did. Now you have, like, AI, which we're doing more with AI than we do with social. But yeah. I don't know.

Ian

00:51:32 – 00:51:34

So it's like multiple phases of the Internet. It's

Aaron

00:51:34 – 00:51:44

like, I mean, 02/2005 was, like, maybe the very beginnings of web two point o. Like, do you remember, like, Ajax becoming a thing? And then it was

Ian

00:51:44 – 00:51:45

like the beginning of

Aaron

00:51:45 – 00:51:50

web two point o. And you're like, what is going on? And yeah. Yep. Yeah.

Aaron

00:51:50 – 00:51:53

There were a lot of phases between then and now. That's crazy. Twenty years.

Ian

00:51:54 – 00:52:06

Yep. Twenty years. So I don't know. I would like to do I would like to have this chart have another little peak. We'll see in a couple years if we can do another big we get one more big run, you know, then that'd be nice.

Ian

00:52:06 – 00:52:12

Kind of, run it up one more time. I think a new new plateau level would be pretty cool.

Aaron

00:52:12 – 00:52:14

Run it up. Drive it off the cliff. Sell it to somebody else.

Ian

00:52:14 – 00:52:22

Either way, could either could happen. Hopefully, not drive it totally off the cliff, but, you know, running out another fifteen years or so.

Aaron

00:52:22 – 00:52:26

Fifteen years. Yeah. Another fifteen years?

Ian

00:52:26 – 00:52:29

Yeah. What else am I gonna do? You know? I don't know. I don't

Aaron

00:52:29 – 00:52:30

know what I do. Holy.

Ian

00:52:30 – 00:52:39

This is what I do. Even if I sold this, I'd probably just do, like, another help desk type of product. Like, I don't have any other ideas. All my other ideas are bad. So it's like I don't know.

Ian

00:52:39 – 00:52:43

At some point in here, we might get into Ian does a side project phase, which does happen sometimes.

Aaron

00:52:43 – 00:52:48

You keep saying this. This is all I want for you, Ian, is for you to just do a bunch of weird stuff.

Ian

00:52:48 – 00:52:52

Yeah. Like, these, like, long running things on HubSpot are not, like, the best and stuff.

Aaron

00:52:52 – 00:52:53

Stable stuff where

Ian

00:52:53 – 00:52:54

it's like, oh,

Aaron

00:52:54 – 00:53:02

I thought about doing a I thought about doing a thing, and then I realized that it was a lot of work, and we'll just spend the money on marketing. It's like, no. That's terrible content. Yeah.

Ian

00:53:02 – 00:53:05

I'm doing a new website. I'm taking, like, six months to do it and

Aaron

00:53:05 – 00:53:06

Yeah.

Aaron

00:53:06 – 00:53:10

What the hell? Long. Like You gotta be a little more reckless. I'm carrying the reckless side of

Ian

00:53:10 – 00:53:12

the show here. You are.

Aaron

00:53:12 – 00:53:12

Maybe if

Ian

00:53:12 – 00:53:15

I do some paid marketing, that could be my reckless contribution because if I There

Aaron

00:53:15 – 00:53:15

we go.

Ian

00:53:16 – 00:53:17

I'm blowing some cash.

Aaron

00:53:17 – 00:53:19

Yes. We need a little chaos.

Ian

00:53:19 – 00:53:22

This is not you know, I just blew $15 and, like, we got

Aaron

00:53:22 – 00:53:23

Oh, that's great.

Ian

00:53:23 – 00:53:26

Final sign ups. You know? Like, that could come in here

Aaron

00:53:26 – 00:53:29

and cry. I would love for you to blow 15 grands.

Ian

00:53:29 – 00:53:30

That would be

Aaron

00:53:30 – 00:53:31

great contact. It'd be

Ian

00:53:31 – 00:53:35

amazing. So we might get to that. We might get to that. Yeah. No.

Ian

00:53:35 – 00:53:47

No. No. I just think it's cool to, like, I don't know. I just think the stability is an interesting aspect of it. Even though it's, like, not the, like, sort of what you would vision when people think I'm gonna start a software company and, like Yeah.

Ian

00:53:47 – 00:53:54

It's gonna be all straight up and blah blah. It's like, straight up for a little while and then, you know, it might plateau and that's fine.

Aaron

00:53:54 – 00:54:05

Like Yeah. I mean, it's gotta be it's gotta be nice that you've had, like, one down year. No. Two. Two down years.

Aaron

00:54:05 – 00:54:10

In twenty years, there are two years where the revenue was less than the year before.

Ian

00:54:10 – 00:54:18

Right. That's the way I look at it. Right? Like, that's the way I look at it. That that's where, to me, like, the plateaus are not, like, so plateau y because it's like, well, we made more money last year.

Ian

00:54:18 – 00:54:33

And Yeah. We're not out here we're not going Laravel Inc and, like, hiring everybody and then getting overextended and then which Right. They're not that they're doing that part. Right? But, like, I never was, like, I'm gonna hire a bunch of people and really, like, push it and, like, hire farther than I should dangerously.

Ian

00:54:33 – 00:54:43

Right. Right? It's, like, I've always been pretty conservative with that. We have the core group that we need to run things. And so, yeah, even like I said, in both the down years, we're, like, pretty slight.

Ian

00:54:43 – 00:54:54

So it was fine. And, even they're so slight that some of them might have been even, like, you know, whatever. It's towards the end of the year. We we sometimes play some games around, like, do we wanna Right.

Aaron

00:54:54 – 00:54:55

Curve this revenue this year

Ian

00:54:55 – 00:55:04

or not? Because, like, people send us checks. So, like, we'll be like, well, maybe the December, we'll just hold on to these couple of checks and whatever. You know, the accountant the accountant.

Aaron

00:55:04 – 00:55:11

Yep. So. Yep. That, my friends, is called tax avoidance, and it is 101% legal.

Ian

00:55:11 – 00:55:13

Listen, we're getting rid of all the IRS agents. I just.

Aaron

00:55:13 – 00:55:23

The moment the moment you cross the line, you end up in tax evasion, and you go straight to jail. But sitting on a check for a week, that's tax avoidance, my friends.

Ian

00:55:23 – 00:55:26

That that's right. That's totally legal. I can not I'm just there's no laws

Aaron

00:55:26 – 00:55:27

in that

Ian

00:55:27 – 00:55:28

to cash this check.

Aaron

00:55:28 – 00:55:33

Nope. Yeah. Nope. I think you have, like, ninety days until the check, you know, expires. And so, like, great.

Aaron

00:55:33 – 00:55:36

We'll recognize it when we recognize it. Yep. You

Ian

00:55:36 – 00:55:43

know, another interesting thing I didn't put on this chart, I could have a second line. I don't know if Caleb's chart chart, does two lines. I think it does. Wow.

Aaron

00:55:43 – 00:55:44

We'll find out.

Ian

00:55:44 – 00:55:49

Or, really, I would need an area, actually. I wonder I'm not I really wonder if it does an area. I would need an area.

Aaron

00:55:49 – 00:55:52

I guarantee you it does not do an area. Yeah. To do

Ian

00:55:52 – 00:55:53

this correctly, I need an area.

Aaron

00:55:53 – 00:55:54

That sounds insane.

Ian

00:55:54 – 00:56:04

But, in here too, we have, like, other revenue streams. Not, not in this chart though. This chart is just help spot. So along the way, we've added, like we did Lara cons for a while. Right.

Aaron

00:56:04 – 00:56:04

And

Ian

00:56:04 – 00:56:15

then we did, and we still do Lara jobs. So then there is these new revenue streams on top of this. They're minor in comparison to HubSpot, but they're still not nothing.

Aaron

00:56:15 – 00:56:16

So Yeah.

Ian

00:56:16 – 00:56:22

Yeah. They exist and, are a reasonable amount of money. So yeah. So that's there too.

Aaron

00:56:22 – 00:56:26

Yeah. What's the rest of the portfolio? Don't you have, like, an NPS thing as well?

Ian

00:56:26 – 00:56:50

So that is, that is was quasi dead. That was just Ian's side thing that, like, Ian doesn't then have time to run two products, so never really went anywhere. I end up giving that effectively to, Titan. Oh. They are now running it and are going they rebuilt it and are going to, market it more in theory.

Ian

00:56:50 – 00:57:00

Although, they they've kind of lost track of it a little bit too. So it's kind of just sitting there the way it's at here, but we will see. It'll hopefully, kick off. It is sort of interesting tool. But There

Aaron

00:57:00 – 00:57:01

was that. There was

Ian

00:57:01 – 00:57:02

some more marketing.

Aaron

00:57:02 – 00:57:05

Snappy was a full on exploration. Right? The d p n o?

Ian

00:57:05 – 00:57:13

Like Taylor built that, and Eric when so this is, like, in 02/2010. It was, like, a

Aaron

00:57:13 – 00:57:14

That's so that's way back.

Ian

00:57:14 – 00:57:17

Or yeah. It was 02/2012. Somewhere. Yeah. It was in there.

Ian

00:57:17 – 00:57:22

It was way back. It was, like, a new help desk platform, like like a SaaS help desk platform.

Aaron

00:57:23 – 00:57:28

And then Laracon online, which you don't do anymore because they're all back or what?

Ian

00:57:28 – 00:57:32

Well, Laracon in person, the first two Laracon law US's and then Laracon online.

Aaron

00:57:33 – 00:57:35

Partner in the first, like, in person ones?

Ian

00:57:35 – 00:57:36

Yeah. I would say it

Aaron

00:57:36 – 00:57:36

was like

Ian

00:57:36 – 00:57:38

I was like, we should do a conference. Like

Aaron

00:57:38 – 00:57:42

Ah. We're gonna get it. Yeah. Okay. I didn't know that.

Ian

00:57:42 – 00:57:57

Yep. And then, after the first couple so Taylor left after the first one, I think. And then we still did the second one. And then the third one, he just, like, kinda started taking him over. And then I did yeah.

Ian

00:57:57 – 00:58:00

Then, like, 02/2017, I think we'd started Laracon online.

Aaron

00:58:00 – 00:58:00

Mhmm.

Ian

00:58:01 – 00:58:05

Yeah. Did that. Now it's time to run its course. I don't know. I'll be I wonder if we'll do another Laracon online.

Ian

00:58:05 – 00:58:06

I don't know. Maybe someday.

Aaron

00:58:07 – 00:58:11

I don't know. It's tough because it feels like there there's a Laracon every three months now.

Ian

00:58:11 – 00:58:18

Yeah. Now that there's so many Laracons, and they all stream them, and it's like you just kinda have the same people come on and give, like, the talk they just gave at Laracon EU or whatever.

Aaron

00:58:18 – 00:58:19

Yeah. It feels tough.

Ian

00:58:19 – 00:58:27

We We did talk about maybe doing a different sort of thing. Like, could you do, like, a business of Larabel type? You know, something where it's more like

Aaron

00:58:27 – 00:58:27

You know,

Aaron

00:58:27 – 00:58:30

that's that's the mostly technical conference. Yeah.

Ian

00:58:30 – 00:58:32

I could go into the most technical Don't don't

Aaron

00:58:32 – 00:58:33

give that one away. That one's ours.

Ian

00:58:34 – 00:58:41

Yeah. So and, I mean, at this point, like, they're busy with so much other stuff. I tell her I'm sure doesn't wanna deal with, like, another conference or whatever. So No. Yeah.

Ian

00:58:41 – 00:58:49

So I I think, at least for now, it's on hiatus. Yeah. And then Lara Jobs started also in, like, 02/2013 or something. That's ongoing since then.

Aaron

00:58:49 – 00:58:52

So the two going concerns, HubSpot, Lara Jobs?

Ian

00:58:53 – 00:59:04

Yeah. HubSpot, Lara Jobs. We do some consulting for HubSpot very occasionally. Not as much as we used to, but sometimes they'll be, like, mostly If

Aaron

00:59:04 – 00:59:06

you have services revenue for

Ian

00:59:06 – 00:59:14

Services revenue. Yeah. But, like, I think our biggest year was, like, maybe, like, thirty five thousand or something. So it's not a lot. Unless Mhmm.

Ian

00:59:14 – 00:59:40

Years and less. It's really just if, like, somebody's coming on who's new, but they need, like, something connected or they really need a report that does something that the built in ones don't do, then we'll build them something custom. But that's just kinda here and there. And most of the time, it's, like, we're not really charging them too much because it's, like, mostly to get the sale and get them in the fold because most of our customers end up staying a long time. So it's like you just wanna make the sale Right.

Ian

00:59:40 – 00:59:44

And and, then let them renew for

Aaron

00:59:45 – 00:59:48

great year. On the services so you get paid on the subscription.

Ian

00:59:48 – 00:59:49

Yeah. Yeah.

Aaron

00:59:49 – 00:59:53

So It makes sense. Yep. Wow. Twenty years. Well done.

Ian

00:59:53 – 00:59:56

Twenty years. Oh, you guys are almost to one. When's

Aaron

00:59:57 – 01:00:01

Almost. Almost. Soon. Yeah. Yeah.

Aaron

01:00:01 – 01:00:03

Probably Right? Two or three weeks. Yeah.

Ian

01:00:04 – 01:00:07

Yeah. Wow. Holy cow. It's already I know. It goes fast, man.

Ian

01:00:07 – 01:00:10

Twenty four. It'll be twenty years.

Aaron

01:00:10 – 01:00:12

Boy, you're telling me.

Ian

01:00:14 – 01:00:16

Alright. We got another important topic here, though.

Aaron

01:00:16 – 01:00:34

We got we got an important topic. I'll give it a tease. We're gonna we we gotta talk about these microwave power settings. But before we do, this microwave is brought to you by Bento. Bento is Bento is the email service provider that we use at TryHard Studios for both marketing and transactional emails.

Aaron

01:00:35 – 01:00:49

Very good deliverability. Check it out at bentonow.com. Thanks to Jesse and Bento for sponsoring the show. Bento gets the microwave section, arguably the most important section of the podcast. Here's the deal.

Aaron

01:00:50 – 01:00:59

Came home from church yesterday. I'm like, you know what I want? Just want some nachos, man. Just right down the middle, some chips, some cheese. That's it.

Ian

01:00:59 – 01:01:00

That's it.

Aaron

01:01:00 – 01:01:00

Here's the deal.

Ian

01:01:00 – 01:01:02

Wait. Just chips and cheese?

Aaron

01:01:02 – 01:01:04

That's nachos. Yeah.

Ian

01:01:04 – 01:01:04

Is it?

Aaron

01:01:04 – 01:01:07

Yeah. You could dip you dip it in some salsa, but that's nachos.

Ian

01:01:08 – 01:01:14

Well, I usually put, like, stuff on it. What about some meat and some, like, jalapenos and salsa on it, maybe?

Aaron

01:01:14 – 01:01:15

Boy. Chips

Ian

01:01:15 – 01:01:16

and cheese? That's, like, that's,

Aaron

01:01:16 – 01:01:24

like, like, a What kind of life of luxury do you think I'm leading that I've got time to put some meat and jalapenos and, like, make some nachos?

Ian

01:01:24 – 01:01:27

This is, like, some movie theater nachos you're talking about here. This is like some

Aaron

01:01:27 – 01:01:44

lowbrow nachos. Come from a can, so it's better than that or like a squirt pump. But dry. Well, one, what do you expect from me? Two, what what kind of life am I leading that I can come home from church and get four kids fed and make gourmet nachos?

Aaron

01:01:44 – 01:01:45

Not gonna happen.

Ian

01:01:45 – 01:01:46

Alright. Alright.

Aaron

01:01:46 – 01:01:47

So I got this sheet.

Ian

01:01:47 – 01:01:50

Making I've been making sheet pan nachos. Just a little side adventure.

Aaron

01:01:50 – 01:01:51

Okay. So that's nice.

Ian

01:01:51 – 01:01:56

You take the sheet pan Yep. Chips, stuff. I could put stuff. You put stuff. Yeah.

Ian

01:01:56 – 01:02:02

You put cheese on top, sheet pan in the oven, take it out. It's wonderful.

Aaron

01:02:02 – 01:02:04

And then it's a sheet pan of nachos when it comes out.

Ian

01:02:04 – 01:02:08

And then you do microwave. Microwave make your chips soft and stuff. But anyway

Aaron

01:02:08 – 01:02:17

Well, we're about to find out. Here's the deal. So I I go up to the microwave, and I'm I've got I've got this plate full of cheese, basically. Right?

Ian

01:02:17 – 01:02:17

Right.

Aaron

01:02:17 – 01:02:23

And if you just hit if you just hit, like, thirty seconds three times

Aaron

01:02:23 – 01:02:23

Right.

Aaron

01:02:23 – 01:02:26

You're gonna end up with a boiling plate of cheese.

Ian

01:02:26 – 01:02:26

Yes.

Aaron

01:02:26 – 01:02:31

Right? So you'll have a few strands you'll have a few strands that are unmelted, just in, like, these little nooks

Aaron

01:02:32 – 01:02:32

Right.

Aaron

01:02:32 – 01:02:36

And a few parts that are literally bubbling Right. Because they're overheated. Right?

Ian

01:02:36 – 01:02:37

Fire hazard in there.

Aaron

01:02:37 – 01:02:47

Yeah. I'm not doing that. Right. And that's that's what causes that's what causes the the chips to get soggy because you overdo it in certain parts, and so it's like, I'm not doing that. So Yeah.

Aaron

01:02:48 – 01:02:50

I punch in 30%

Ian

01:02:51 – 01:02:52

Aaron

01:02:52 – 01:02:55

For, like, five and a half minutes. Intriguing.

Ian

01:02:55 – 01:03:00

I don't think I've ever used the power percentage thing ever. I'm, like, 20% time, time, time. That's it.

Aaron

01:03:00 – 01:03:12

You are missing out. So five minutes later, five minutes later, I come back. I pull I pull the plate out perfectly even melt. Wow. Perfectly even melt.

Aaron

01:03:12 – 01:03:24

No bubbles and no remaining individual, straight it was shredded cheese. So no remaining individual strands of cheese. Wow. Perfectly, perfectly melted as if

Ian

01:03:25 – 01:03:25

heat level.

Aaron

01:03:25 – 01:03:30

It just came out of the oven. That's how even it was. Heat level was perfect.

Ian

01:03:30 – 01:03:31

It wasn't burning hot

Aaron

01:03:31 – 01:03:37

or anything. It wasn't burning hot, and it wasn't like, oh, this used to be hot. It was like, no. This is perfect.

Ian

01:03:38 – 01:03:41

3030%. For five minutes.

Aaron

01:03:41 – 01:03:42

Yes.

Ian

01:03:42 – 01:03:43

And you let it go the whole five minutes.

Aaron

01:03:43 – 01:03:45

Let it go the whole five minutes.

Ian

01:03:46 – 01:03:47

This is very intriguing.

Aaron

01:03:47 – 01:03:56

So the the deal is when when you have something like I think, Chris Faddow mentioned, like, melting butter. You don't wanna just put the butter in and hit thirty, thirty, 30.

Aaron

01:03:56 – 01:03:57

Right.

Aaron

01:03:57 – 01:04:00

Because then you come back and it's, like, boiling lava hot.

Ian

01:04:00 – 01:04:02

Yeah. You have, like, ventilators are, like, not all melted necessarily.

Aaron

01:04:03 – 01:04:03

Exactly.

Ian

01:04:03 – 01:04:04

Yeah. Yeah. But

Aaron

01:04:04 – 01:04:16

you do want it to, like, fully melt through, so you turn the power down and the time up, and that gives it more even cooking. And I'm sold. I think it I think it's the way to go.

Ian

01:04:17 – 01:04:32

There is something, I think, because the microwave, the way it works, right, is, like, the waves are bouncing around. And so, like Impossible. Quicker, they don't, like, actually hit everything enough. Right? So I think, like, like, extending it, presumably, you're getting more wave to item action more evenly.

Ian

01:04:32 – 01:04:33

You know what I mean? Yeah.

Aaron

01:04:33 – 01:04:36

Yeah. I don't know if any of that's right, but sure.

Ian

01:04:36 – 01:04:38

It's the waves. The waves are in there, man.

Aaron

01:04:38 – 01:04:42

All I know is that the waves are very small. That's all I can glean from the name.

Ian

01:04:43 – 01:04:49

So now you are your microwave percentage man. You're doing everything this way.

Aaron

01:04:49 – 01:04:51

I'm power setting guy, for sure.

Ian

01:04:51 – 01:04:56

Are you doing everything this way? If you're reheating leftovers, what are you gonna do?

Aaron

01:04:56 – 01:05:02

So, I don't know why they're all related to cheese, but I was reheating pizza the other day.

Aaron

01:05:02 – 01:05:02

Okay.

Aaron

01:05:02 – 01:05:13

And I I turned the power down because the worst thing about reheating pizza in the microwave is the edges can get really hot, and then the middle stays relatively cold.

Ian

01:05:13 – 01:05:13

That's not

Aaron

01:05:13 – 01:05:15

And so then that is one

Aaron

01:05:15 – 01:05:15

of the

Aaron

01:05:15 – 01:05:16

worst things. What's worse than that?

Ian

01:05:18 – 01:05:19

It gets all floppy and gross.

Aaron

01:05:19 – 01:05:41

Oh, yeah. It's not great. But if you turn the power down and the time up, then it heats evenly, and you don't have the cold metal and the burned or the boiling edges. So I think I'm I think I'm power guy on almost everything. Now in most cases, you know, cheese notwithstanding, I will do 80%, seventy % and bump the time up a little bit instead of just going

Ian

01:05:41 – 01:05:42

doing this, or this is new?

Aaron

01:05:42 – 01:05:50

This is a new house thing. So we got a new house where the power setting is easily accessible on the microwave. Oh, interesting. And it's like, what's this all about? And I tried it.

Aaron

01:05:51 – 01:05:51

I'm sold.

Aaron

01:05:51 – 01:05:51

Ian

01:05:51 – 01:05:58

let's go back to pizza for one second because Okay. Microwave pizza is far and away the worst way to eat pizza. You should never eat microwave

Aaron

01:05:58 – 01:05:58

pizza.

Aaron

01:05:59 – 01:06:00

Way to eat pizza.

Ian

01:06:00 – 01:06:03

Don't eat microwave pizza. Just stop. Just stop.

Aaron

01:06:04 – 01:06:11

Yeah. That's probably true. That guy. Yeah. But from what I understand about people that like skiing, it's like a bad day of skiing is still great.

Aaron

01:06:11 – 01:06:15

A bad pizza is still great. Ew. Well, as long as it's not like a salad pizza.

Ian

01:06:15 – 01:06:17

For this analogy. A bad day a bad day of

Aaron

01:06:17 – 01:06:20

This is a family friendly show. This is a family friendly show, Ian.

Ian

01:06:20 – 01:06:21

You're dead on the side.

Aaron

01:06:21 – 01:06:25

When the skiing's great, it's great. When the skiing's terrible, it's still pretty good.

Aaron

01:06:26 – 01:06:26

That's a

Aaron

01:06:26 – 01:06:27

skiing thing.

Ian

01:06:27 – 01:06:42

Here's the thing. Number one way to eat leftover pizza is you have one of those little we have one of these, a little toaster oven on your counter because they get real fast. Yeah. Well, slice in there. It makes it nice and re crispy and melty.

Aaron

01:06:42 – 01:06:42

I I agree.

Ian

01:06:42 – 01:06:52

Unbelievable. And it's like two or three minutes. Okay. Next best way is cold. Because like you just want the instant satisfaction and cold pizza has its own vibe.

Ian

01:06:53 – 01:07:01

Third best way is the oven. So you start your oven, You do the whole thing. It's gonna take you thirty minutes, whatever. And then the fourth best way is to make it. But I just There's

Aaron

01:07:01 – 01:07:12

one there's one way above the oven that I used to do when I had, an embarrassment of time. I would get I'd get a pan and put it on the the range, the stove top.

Aaron

01:07:12 – 01:07:12

Okay.

Aaron

01:07:12 – 01:07:28

And then by that. And then you get a piece of foil out, and you you curl it into a circle, and you, like, push it. You get the pizza on the little little pan, and then you push the little foil, and so you make just, like, a little bitty oven, basically. Yep. But very, very close to the pizza.

Aaron

01:07:28 – 01:07:37

And that crisp that crisps up the bottom, but also melts the cheese on the top. It was great. It was perfect. But I don't have time to do that. That's the problem.

Aaron

01:07:37 – 01:07:50

I'm only gonna spend ten minutes reheating a piece of pizza. No. I'm gonna throw it in, hit it on 30% for five, walk away, wipe some noses, get some milk, get the color straw that I was supposed to get. I'm sorry. I got the wrong color straw.

Aaron

01:07:50 – 01:07:52

And then come back and my pizza's ready. You know?

Ian

01:07:53 – 01:07:59

Well, you went wrong here a little bit. You got this new house. You didn't get the induction cooktop. You need an induction cooktop.

Aaron

01:07:59 – 01:08:00

Oh, it's induction.

Ian

01:08:00 – 01:08:03

Is it? It is. It's electric, I thought. Or is it No.

Aaron

01:08:03 – 01:08:04

It's induction.

Ian

01:08:04 – 01:08:06

Oh, it's induction. Pan heats in, like, ten seconds.

Aaron

01:08:07 – 01:08:11

Yeah. But I can't mind a pan while I'm minding four children. You know?

Ian

01:08:11 – 01:08:14

Okay. Yeah. The wrong straw stuff, man. That stuff's brutal. I don't like the wrong

Aaron

01:08:14 – 01:08:15

That stuff's brutal.

Aaron

01:08:16 – 01:08:16

No.

Aaron

01:08:16 – 01:08:28

You gotta give you gotta give them some choices that don't matter, and straw color is one of them because they they literally can't choose anything else in their life. And so you're like, okay. I'll get you I'll get you a green straw. That's fine. I will allow it.

Ian

01:08:28 – 01:08:36

Man. Oh, man. Are the one year olds, how are they doing? Are they are they they're they're talking and stuff. They must be talking a little bit.

Ian

01:08:36 – 01:08:36

Right?

Aaron

01:08:36 – 01:08:37

A lot. Yes.

Ian

01:08:37 – 01:08:37

Okay.

Aaron

01:08:37 – 01:08:43

Lots and lots and lots of talking. Alright. Lots of, from the girl. Lots of uh-oh. All she knows is uh-oh.

Aaron

01:08:43 – 01:08:46

She wants something? Uh-oh. Something fell? Uh-oh. Mommy?

Aaron

01:08:46 – 01:08:47

Uh-oh.

Ian

01:08:47 – 01:08:49

Get the video of that. You're gonna want the video of that, man.

Aaron

01:08:49 – 01:08:52

I know. Oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh.

Aaron

01:08:52 – 01:08:52

Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh.

Aaron

01:08:52 – 01:09:04

Uh-oh. It's like, what are you owing? And the little the little boy is very, dada, which is just the just the sweetest thing ever. It's the freaking best. It's so good.

Ian

01:09:04 – 01:09:06

You did post a very cute picture

Aaron

01:09:06 – 01:09:07

Yes.

Aaron

01:09:07 – 01:09:07

Of you

Ian

01:09:07 – 01:09:09

on the tree swing, I believe.

Aaron

01:09:09 – 01:09:10

Yep. Mhmm.

Ian

01:09:10 – 01:09:11

With the two little ones, I believe.

Aaron

01:09:11 – 01:09:26

The two little ones. Yep. I was swinging with the two one year olds in my lap. Just That's such a great the best. Watching them laugh and smile, and it was sunny in 60, and I didn't have, you know, I didn't have an open source library that was waiting to be released.

Aaron

01:09:26 – 01:09:29

And so I'm just, like, swinging. It was great.

Ian

01:09:29 – 01:09:32

Oh, man. Yeah. That's awesome. That was a good moment. So I love those.

Aaron

01:09:32 – 01:09:48

Yeah. It really was. And it it's funny how, like, you know, Jennifer surreptitiously took the picture, and it's funny how, like, looking at the picture of yourself from, like, that outside perspective really solidifies that, like, oh, this is good. This is a good thing. Yep.

Ian

01:09:48 – 01:10:04

Yep. And again, I'm definitely I've been having a lot of the, like, nostalgia phase of this stuff because I I think I talked about this. So we got this, like, digital picture frame, which is awesome from Aurora. And so now I have, like, all these pictures that are, like, rotating through all my favorite pictures. I was like, oh, man.

Ian

01:10:04 – 01:10:13

They're just never they're just all big now. And the big face is awesome in its own ways, but that, like, oh, man. When they're just, like, two to 10

Aaron

01:10:13 – 01:10:13

I know.

Ian

01:10:13 – 01:10:23

Is, like, so good. There's just so many cute little things and all this stuff. So yeah, it is, it is it is you gotta appreciate that phase when you're in it even though it's incredibly hard because you're exhausted

Aaron

01:10:23 – 01:10:24

Yeah.

Ian

01:10:24 – 01:10:30

Running a business. Yep. They're keeping going, like, and all the other stuff. But Mhmm.

Aaron

01:10:30 – 01:10:45

We have started oh my gosh. It's the best dad hack ever. When I put the big kids to bed, we've started going up a little bit earlier just to, like, separate the chaos a little bit. So I'll take the big kids up at, like, six, and we play in their room for an hour, and then we go to bed. Right?

Ian

01:10:45 – 01:10:45

Yeah. Yeah.

Aaron

01:10:45 – 01:10:52

The new game that they wanna play is they are mommy and daddy, and I am a baby. And so

Ian

01:10:52 – 01:10:52

That's a good

Aaron

01:10:53 – 01:11:08

lay down on the floor, and they put a blanket over me. They get me a pillow. They kiss me on the forehead, and they say, night night, if you hear any storms, you can just call for me, and I'll come help you. And I just get to lay on the floor with a blanket. Beautiful.

Aaron

01:11:08 – 01:11:09

Awesome.

Ian

01:11:09 – 01:11:11

Go like, dad, wake up. You're actually sleeping.

Aaron

01:11:11 – 01:11:17

Best dad hack ever. It's like, hey. You guys wanna play dad takes a nap? Yeah.

Ian

01:11:17 – 01:11:18

It's like,

Aaron

01:11:18 – 01:11:29

perfect. So that's a that's a new, a new game that I'm very much behind because then I just lay on the floor and watch them play, and they pretend that they're comforting me because of the storms.

Ian

01:11:29 – 01:11:29

Yeah. This

Aaron

01:11:29 – 01:11:30

is perfect.

Ian

01:11:30 – 01:11:33

Are they in, are they in couch fort phase yet?

Aaron

01:11:34 – 01:11:35

They are. Very much so.

Ian

01:11:35 – 01:11:37

Yeah. Couch fort phase too.

Aaron

01:11:37 – 01:11:41

I am currently every night putting blankets over their cribs because it's forts.

Aaron

01:11:42 – 01:11:42

Do you

Aaron

01:11:42 – 01:11:49

want me to build your fort tonight? Yes. Okay. So, yeah, we can't see a gosh dang thing on the monitor because they're like

Ian

01:11:49 – 01:11:49

Oh, yeah.

Aaron

01:11:49 – 01:11:54

In their cribs with these blankets over them, but whatever. They're three and a half. It doesn't matter.

Ian

01:11:54 – 01:11:58

They're they're big. They're right now. Oh, jeez. Alright, man. Well, sounds good.

Ian

01:11:59 – 01:12:05

I guess, what are you doing this week? You just, new new adventures or you're just fusioning it?

Aaron

01:12:06 – 01:12:09

Fusion and screen casting, recording.

Ian

01:12:10 – 01:12:15

That's gonna be a short week for you too. So is it? Oh, yeah. Today or

Aaron

01:12:15 – 01:12:17

because I'm not working today. That's right. You're not

Ian

01:12:17 – 01:12:18

working today. No working.

Aaron

01:12:18 – 01:12:19

I'm being a head

Ian

01:12:19 – 01:12:20

start. Jesus. Photos.

Aaron

01:12:21 – 01:12:25

Yeah. Photos. Yeah. Okay. That's a good idea.

Aaron

01:12:25 – 01:12:26

I can do it.

Ian

01:12:26 – 01:12:33

Have a nice meal. Get a nice meal. Do you have a reservation somewhere? You're gonna you're gonna you don't need a reservation by yourself. You're gonna go to have a fancy steak dinner.

Ian

01:12:33 – 01:12:34

You can get a steak dinner.

Aaron

01:12:34 – 01:12:41

I'll probably get a steak dinner because I opted not to do the very expensive spa day. I'll probably do a relatively expensive dinner. Yeah.

Ian

01:12:41 – 01:12:48

Get out there. Have a nice dinner. I love sitting at the bar. Sit at the bar by yourself. Nice steak dinner.

Aaron

01:12:48 – 01:13:01

Like the ultimate, it's the ultimate flex of being comfortable with thyself to go to a restaurant by yourself with a book and sit at, like, a proper table and just read a book at dinner.

Ian

01:13:01 – 01:13:01

No. That's

Aaron

01:13:01 – 01:13:03

And that's what I'm gonna do. It's gonna be great.

Ian

01:13:03 – 01:13:04

I love it.

Aaron

01:13:04 – 01:13:05

It's gonna be great.

Ian

01:13:05 – 01:13:07

Good old stool. Yep. Rockefeller.

Aaron

01:13:08 – 01:13:15

That's right. Exactly. Vanderbilt. Maybe that's what I should do. Maybe I should get a book on a Robert Baron and read that because that's kinda like

Ian

01:13:16 – 01:13:17

I think that mindset going.

Aaron

01:13:17 – 01:13:17

That's right.

Aaron

01:13:17 – 01:13:18

That's what I

Aaron

01:13:18 – 01:13:18

would do.

Ian

01:13:18 – 01:13:21

A really good idea. I kinda like I might do that, actually. I might steal that idea.

Aaron

01:13:21 – 01:13:22

That's a good idea.

Ian

01:13:23 – 01:13:32

Yeah. I because I need feel like I'm I need that, like like, what we're saying, building up more marketing in 2025, all that kind of stuff. Robert Baron mentality is

Aaron

01:13:32 – 01:13:35

gonna Gotta be a little more ruthless. It's gotta be a little more crushing.

Ian

01:13:36 – 01:13:38

Yes. Yeah.

Aaron

01:13:38 – 01:13:38

I like that.

Ian

01:13:38 – 01:13:42

Even the content. Right? It's like, you gotta say why your life sucks

Aaron

01:13:42 – 01:13:42

and why

Ian

01:13:42 – 01:13:43

you need our product. Right?

Aaron

01:13:43 – 01:13:44

I agree.

Ian

01:13:44 – 01:13:46

You gotta be over that's

Aaron

01:13:46 – 01:13:48

what I'm trying to do. About that. I agree.

Ian

01:13:48 – 01:13:52

I've always been too shy about that. Less shot this year on Alright. Deal.

Aaron

01:13:52 – 01:13:58

Deal. We'll go full Vanderbilt. Yeah. I like it. We are the robber barons of the Laravel community.

Ian

01:13:58 – 01:14:02

Yes. Exactly. Alright, man. Have a good week.

Aaron

01:14:03 – 01:14:03

Alright. See you

Aaron

01:14:03 – 01:14:04

later.

Ian

01:14:04 – 01:14:05

See you. Bye.

Robber Baron Mentality

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