Super Ultra Tilted

April 23, 2025

Ian and Aaron discuss their respective trips to Vegas and Miami, Aaron's latest video, making new friends in real life, & more. Sponsored by: Bento - https://bentonow.com/ WorkOS - https://workos.com/ Native PHP for Mobile - https://nativephp.com/mobile Laracon US 2025 - https://lrvl.co/mostly 00:00 Back from Vegas 17:06 Mostly Technical Day Zero Party 21:18 React Miami 39:29 Fusion Follow Up 42:51 Aaron's New Video 56:41 Twin Dads

Transcript

Aaron
00:00:00 – 00:00:02
Hello. Welcome back from Vegas.
Ian
00:00:02 – 00:00:03
Vegas, baby.
Aaron
00:00:04 – 00:00:12
I I see I see you're here, but I don't know what's kinda state you're in. So how are we doing? Give us give us the systems check. Are we are we okay? Are we alive?
Ian
00:00:13 – 00:00:17
We're alive. We're alive. Actually, everything was really good in Vegas. Felt great. Yeah.
Ian
00:00:17 – 00:00:33
Today, my belly's a little off, which is weird, so we're gonna persevere, though. Better here than Vegas. Vegas, just wanna be operating at full capacity, which I was. Had a nice steak. Haven't had any I don't know if I talked about this in the show, but I've been mostly eating pescatarian.
Ian
00:00:33 – 00:00:34
Have we talked about this?
Aaron
00:00:34 – 00:00:37
It's probably come up in the gall gallbladder discussions. So
Ian
00:00:38 – 00:00:47
Mostly eating that way, but, whatever. We're at this really nice steakhouse, and I was like, obviously, gotta have a steak. Had a steak. One of the best steaks I've ever had, I have to say. It was unbelievable.
Ian
00:00:48 – 00:00:54
Yeah. It was a fantastic steak. Poppy's steakhouse. If you've never been to Poppy's steakhouse, check it out. It's sort of a scene.
Ian
00:00:55 – 00:01:00
It's like, it's like a nightclub, but but instead of dance floor, there's, like, tables and
Aaron
00:01:00 – 00:01:04
Is that the one where they have the steak and the the briefcase? Yeah.
Ian
00:01:04 – 00:01:05
Yeah. You've been to Poppy's.
Aaron
00:01:05 – 00:01:06
I've been to Poppy's.
Ian
00:01:07 – 00:01:18
So, yes, Poppy's. But we didn't have the, briefcase steak. We were thinking about it, but Taylor wasn't with us. And so we were like, yeah, we'll just get the regular steaks. But I had a filet mignon that was it was unbelievable.
Ian
00:01:19 – 00:01:21
Unbelievable. It was fantastic.
Aaron
00:01:21 – 00:01:26
That's a good that's a good return from pescatarianism. That's a pretty high bar. I like that for
Ian
00:01:26 – 00:01:32
you. Fighting. Yeah. Sides were great. Had some truffled corn, which I don't even like truffle.
Ian
00:01:32 – 00:01:38
Truffled corn was fantastic. So, yeah, it was cool. Won poker, which was
Aaron
00:01:38 – 00:01:43
There we go. That's what I was looking for. Give us the numbeys. How'd we do?
Ian
00:01:43 – 00:01:46
We're up, like, eleven thousand, I think. Oh
Aaron
00:01:47 – 00:01:49
Yeah. My gosh. Are you kidding me?
Ian
00:01:49 – 00:01:53
And it should have been more like 14. But so it was, like,
Aaron
00:01:53 – 00:01:56
$11,000? Yeah.
Ian
00:01:57 – 00:01:57
It's nice.
Aaron
00:01:57 – 00:01:59
I gotta get into gambling.
Ian
00:01:59 – 00:02:01
I know. I keep trying to tell you. We gotta
Aaron
00:02:01 – 00:02:03
get to get to the point where they're
Ian
00:02:03 – 00:02:08
they're out there trying to give you their money. You don't have to all this hard work you're doing, you're making money
Aaron
00:02:08 – 00:02:09
for a lot of them.
Ian
00:02:09 – 00:02:12
I don't know what you're doing. You could be out there just gambling and living it up.
Aaron
00:02:12 – 00:02:15
Such an idiot. Okay. How did you win $11,000?
Ian
00:02:16 – 00:02:23
Being good at poker. Wow. Yeah. Mostly played Pot Limit Omaha for the people know. Did a little bit of no limit.
Ian
00:02:24 – 00:02:37
Did a little bit of I don't even know if I could explain this whole thing. I'm just gonna say it for the people who know. I don't know if you wanna go through the whole thing, but Pot Limit Omaha, high low double board bomb pot was this game I played.
Aaron
00:02:37 – 00:02:44
No. This is an hour episode. We don't have time to get into that. So I wonder what's going on with that. Modifiers.
Aaron
00:02:44 – 00:02:47
Yeah. Hot limit, high low double bowl. What?
Ian
00:02:47 – 00:02:48
Double board.
Aaron
00:02:49 – 00:02:53
Yeah. Same thing. Yeah. Bomb pot. Now that sounds fun for you.
Ian
00:02:53 – 00:02:59
And you you there's no preflop action, so it's a bomb pot. So everybody at the table's in the pot. Anyway,
Aaron
00:03:00 – 00:03:05
that's the I feel like the longer the name of the game, the more the odds are that you're gonna lose all your money quickly.
Ian
00:03:05 – 00:03:06
That's right. Yeah.
Aaron
00:03:06 – 00:03:14
It's like, oh, you can you can bet on 16 different actions, and you're like, what if I lose them all at once? Wow. You know, that sucks. That's too bad.
Ian
00:03:14 – 00:03:27
Wait. I don't think that's the game you should start in. I think we have to start you, a little simpler. Yeah. So I had the full range of emotion, though, because I was overall playing amazing, which is the you know, since I got sick and everything, it's the longest I've played.
Ian
00:03:27 – 00:03:53
Like, I haven't had, like, a, you know, I've gone for, like, a night and played. I haven't been, you know, away and played three or four days. Oh, no. And Vegas actually tends to be somewhat tougher competition than, like, your local card house because people are going there to play poker, and they're even if they're not professionals, they're people who are into it, so they might know a little bit more. So, yeah.
Ian
00:03:53 – 00:04:03
So played really well. Super happy with my play. Had one terrible call. So I was at this hard, five, ten, no limit game. So just regular no limit hold them.
Ian
00:04:03 – 00:04:17
It was it's eight handed, so eight people. And there's, like, seven of us who all know what's going on. Right? So I'd say there's probably, like, three professional players, and the other four of us are, like, strong recreational players. And then there's one guy.
Aaron
00:04:17 – 00:04:18
Chaos agent.
Ian
00:04:18 – 00:04:27
Yeah. He's the chaos agent. He's kinda got the, like, Russian oligarch little thing going on. He's just dumping money into the game. So everybody's just trying to get this guy.
Ian
00:04:27 – 00:04:40
They're just trying to get in pots with him and, like because he's playing every hand. And I hit trips against this guy. He made a huge fan of the flop. I called, which I should've just went all in right there, but I just called. And then a flush card comes out of turn.
Ian
00:04:40 – 00:04:55
He bets big. The the floor was talking me. The guy runs the floor because I was supposed to move to the PLO game, and so I was kinda distracted. And so I just called it when I should have just folded, and, of course, he has a flush. I still had outs, but I didn't get there.
Ian
00:04:55 – 00:04:59
So I lost a big pot to him, which is why it should have been 14,000.
Aaron
00:04:59 – 00:05:09
But You lost a big pot to the guy who didn't know what he was doing. So Ian, what I know. What's going on? So, dude, I You're talking a big game, and then the Russian oligarch is beating you.
Ian
00:05:09 – 00:05:24
This is what I'm saying. I was telling the guys in Vegas. I was like, this is literally, like, the closest I've ever been to crying over a poker hand. Like, I was, like, so mad at myself, and it was, like, this whole multiple levels. I'm just personally mad at myself because I know better.
Ian
00:05:24 – 00:05:35
I know what this guy is doing. I know I literally know if anybody gave me this hand history, I would tell them, of course, you have to fold there. It doesn't matter. You have trips. This guy's never bluffing here.
Ian
00:05:35 – 00:05:45
But then there was this whole other level because it's like we all the seven people who are good players, we were all in the know. So there was, like, a professional embarrassment on my part. Yeah.
Aaron
00:05:45 – 00:05:47
I felt like your face there anymore.
Ian
00:05:47 – 00:05:51
Yeah. So it was like, everybody's, like, looking at me. You know? They're like, woah. He made that call.
Aaron
00:05:51 – 00:05:59
You kinda had this camaraderie going. I'm like, we're the smart guys. Yes. And then you went and you're like, actually, I'm a dumb guy. Oh, no.
Ian
00:05:59 – 00:06:07
I'm dumber than the oligarch guy. Like No. People thought I was playing well and knew what I was doing. No. I'm just a big freaking idiot.
Aaron
00:06:07 – 00:06:13
So embarrassing. You bring shame to the show, Ian. Seriously Hopefully, you didn't give him stickers.
Ian
00:06:14 – 00:06:16
I did have stickers with me, but I didn't give him money. No.
Aaron
00:06:16 – 00:06:20
Good. I don't want those people be I don't wanna be associated with you in those people's minds. You know?
Ian
00:06:20 – 00:06:33
But seriously, I was. I was actually embarrassed, and, I was so mad. But you know what? I was very happy with myself because so like I said, the floor was telling me I have to go to the other table. So right after that hand, I went to the other table, and I was just infuriated.
Ian
00:06:33 – 00:06:34
Right?
Aaron
00:06:34 – 00:06:38
Oh, man. So you you embarrassed yourself, and then you walked away.
Ian
00:06:38 – 00:06:41
But that part was good. I was glad to get out of there. I was like, I'm
Aaron
00:06:41 – 00:06:42
so embarrassed.
Ian
00:06:42 – 00:06:49
I know. I wanted to try to stay and get the money back. But you know what? It probably would have been bad anyway because then you're playing stupidly and whatever. So They call that being
Aaron
00:06:49 – 00:06:51
on tilt just so you know.
Ian
00:06:51 – 00:07:01
Yeah. Exactly. I was on mega super tilt. And I played, like, two hands at the other table, and I was like, you know what? I'm just gonna get up.
Ian
00:07:01 – 00:07:09
I'm tired. I'm super ultra tilted. I'm just gonna go up to my bedroom and go to bed. And that's what I did,
Aaron
00:07:09 – 00:07:09
which I
Ian
00:07:09 – 00:07:15
for you. Do that. So I was very proud of myself. That was all part of my playing good other than the one bad decisions. Yes.
Ian
00:07:15 – 00:07:28
Poker went very well. Yeah. And the PLO games are pretty tough. There was, like, these two European professionals who were just, like, living at the hotel, like, playing the game, like, grinding it and crushing it. Every day, they have, like, you know, $10 in front of them.
Ian
00:07:29 – 00:07:38
So navigating those guys, couple other strong players. So so it went good. I guess it's awesome. Love Vegas. Flew the mint there and back.
Ian
00:07:38 – 00:07:40
I don't know if you ever flown mint, but it's like the
Aaron
00:07:40 – 00:07:41
Don't know what that is.
Ian
00:07:41 – 00:07:43
JetBlue first class kinda thing. We have your
Aaron
00:07:43 – 00:07:46
Oh, wow. It's great. That's awesome.
Ian
00:07:47 – 00:07:49
Line flat. Good stuff. Did you
Aaron
00:07:49 – 00:07:51
do any of the WWE stuff?
Ian
00:07:51 – 00:07:53
Oh, yeah. So we went to, WrestleMania. Yes.
Aaron
00:07:53 – 00:07:55
Okay. So you went to that.
Ian
00:07:55 – 00:07:58
Yeah. Yeah. That's the other thing. Secondary to poker. But, that
Aaron
00:07:58 – 00:08:03
was kinda, like, the purpose of the whole trip for for some people. Not clearly, not for you.
Ian
00:08:03 – 00:08:18
Possibly the purpose. Yeah. So that's actually what was there because, Adam Wathan invited me out. They were going to WrestleMania, him and Taylor and the guys from vehicle. And, so I went out there, went earlier than all of them, played poker.
Ian
00:08:19 – 00:08:31
There was I've the the very beginning, I wasn't necessarily gonna go to WrestleMania because it wasn't a ticket. And Taylor had to go home early, so he went to the first day. WrestleMania is two days. Why the hell is WrestleMania two days? It's insanity.
Ian
00:08:31 – 00:08:41
So, anyway, Taylor went to the first day. I went to the second day. I haven't watched wrestling in thirty years, but it was cool. It was cool. It was a interesting vibe.
Ian
00:08:41 – 00:08:41
You know?
Aaron
00:08:41 – 00:08:44
Is it all still pretend? It's all it's all play acting.
Ian
00:08:44 – 00:08:45
So this was very interesting.
Aaron
00:08:45 – 00:08:46
Because that definitely involved
Ian
00:08:47 – 00:08:47
to me.
Aaron
00:08:47 – 00:08:49
To me. No sense whatsoever.
Ian
00:08:50 – 00:09:08
When it's just all scripted, but no sense. I've sort of it was interesting being there because I think I understood more of that now because it's just like it's just a different form of if you like movies or if you like novels or if you like any fictional work. Right? This is just a different form of fiction. That's another presentation of it.
Ian
00:09:08 – 00:09:17
So it's like Okay. Everybody knows it's fictional and but you're just there for the storyline, which is why there was a huge drama because, like, apparently, The Rock, who you all know who The Rock is.
Aaron
00:09:17 – 00:09:19
Right? Like that From Fast and Furious. Yeah.
Ian
00:09:19 – 00:09:25
Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So The Rock has been you know, he owns part of it now or whatever. Of course,
Aaron
00:09:25 – 00:09:26
he does. He owns everything.
Ian
00:09:26 – 00:09:41
Right. And he was supposed to be there. They wouldn't they didn't advertise him being there, but he was in part of the the storyline leading up to all this of a big of the main event that was happening. And then The Rock didn't show up, so everybody was disappointed. I bet.
Ian
00:09:41 – 00:10:00
People were very upset. So it was kinda weird to take a big l on this, I think, because people were expecting The Rock, and he was, like, a key part of the storyline, and he didn't show up. And so everybody was everyone perturbed, I would say. So big l for the WrestleMania for people who are in the know, but I was not in the know. I was just letting it wash over me.
Ian
00:10:00 – 00:10:12
It was great. Yeah. All scripted. But you know what's very interesting about it is it's even faker in real life. Like, these like, you can just really tell, like, they're not hitting each other, like because there's not even, like, the camera angle to, like, you're
Aaron
00:10:12 – 00:10:13
we were,
Ian
00:10:13 – 00:10:22
like, the reverse of the the main cameras. We're were on the other side. So it's like, you know, just like you could just see they're totally missing. You're, like, barely hitting them. But Makes
Aaron
00:10:22 – 00:10:23
no sense to me.
Ian
00:10:23 – 00:10:52
The interesting part was, while that part was even worse than on TV, the physicality was actually better. I was like, holy cow. These they are very impressive, the physical things they're doing. Like, I was more impressed than when I've seen it on TV, because it's just amazing to see a human, like, do a back flip through the air and, like, land on somebody and, like, all they manage to not get hurt while doing all these things. So, like, that part is actually more impressive in person.
Aaron
00:10:52 – 00:10:56
Okay. So it's it's all scripted. So we can't call it a sport. We can't call it a competition.
Ian
00:10:56 – 00:10:58
It's sports entertainment. That's what they call it.
Aaron
00:10:58 – 00:11:03
So is this most closely, like, ballet for men? Is that what we would call it?
Ian
00:11:03 – 00:11:05
Oh, yeah. I think that's probably, like, a good way to think about it.
Aaron
00:11:06 – 00:11:14
It's just it's just a nice a nice, presentation of physicality, and it Right. It's just there's no there's bra. Right? Yeah.
Ian
00:11:14 – 00:11:19
Story line. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's, like, that's exactly what it is.
Aaron
00:11:19 – 00:11:25
Because even even competitive ice skating is scored and is, like, is the actual competition.
Ian
00:11:26 – 00:11:27
A competition. Yeah.
Aaron
00:11:27 – 00:11:32
So we can't even do like, this isn't scored. This is just play acting.
Ian
00:11:32 – 00:11:32
It's literally
Aaron
00:11:32 – 00:11:36
So it's either theater or ballet, but for guys.
Ian
00:11:37 – 00:11:38
Yeah. Yeah. Man, you
Aaron
00:11:38 – 00:11:38
can't That's awesome.
Ian
00:11:38 – 00:11:40
Hell, yeah. Yeah.
Aaron
00:11:40 – 00:11:41
You can't drink beer at ballet.
Ian
00:11:42 – 00:11:42
No. So
Aaron
00:11:43 – 00:11:45
At least they don't want you to, I guess.
Ian
00:11:45 – 00:11:52
Yeah. It was cool. It was cool. It was a good vibe overall. People were nice, and, oh, jeez.
Ian
00:11:52 – 00:11:56
What else? Yeah. Yeah. WrestleMania was good. Oh, I love doing stuff like this.
Ian
00:11:56 – 00:12:08
I love stuff like this. We're leaving WrestleMania, and, the the guys were like, let's go get a taxi. I was like, we're never gonna be able to get a taxi. There's, like, 70,000 people walking out this building. There's not gonna be any taxi.
Ian
00:12:08 – 00:12:12
But whatever. We go to the taxi place. We could've walked back to the hotel. It took a mile and a half.
Aaron
00:12:12 – 00:12:14
But What is this? Europe? I'm not walking.
Ian
00:12:14 – 00:12:22
Exactly. I was with proper Americans. They're like, well, it's fine taxi. Yeah. So no taxis, of course, because there's 70,000 people all looking for a taxi.
Ian
00:12:22 – 00:12:26
But there's a bunch of guys there with, like, private party bus van things.
Aaron
00:12:26 – 00:12:27
Here we go.
Ian
00:12:28 – 00:12:36
And I was like, that's what we're doing. Right? So, like, dude, how much for your party bus? It's like a hundred and $50 to go a mile. I was like, you are sold.
Ian
00:12:36 – 00:12:44
So we got in the party bus. We we had drinks in there. We had some drinks. We had eighties rock band music playing. It was great.
Ian
00:12:44 – 00:12:48
So we had no idea what happened. And we made it out instantly. It was like, boom. We were back.
Aaron
00:12:49 – 00:12:52
And it was great. That's pretty great. That's pretty great. Good for you.
Ian
00:12:52 – 00:12:54
Love when money solves problems like that.
Aaron
00:12:54 – 00:13:01
That those are the best kind of problems because there are a lot of problems that money can't touch, and those, boy, those will get you down.
Ian
00:13:01 – 00:13:14
Yes. And that's the thing is, that was funny that, it kinda came up in the conversation. And when I paid for this, like, talking to Adam about this, he's like, the poker money is amazing because it's just like this slush fund of, like It's
Aaron
00:13:14 – 00:13:15
unaccounted for. Yeah.
Ian
00:13:15 – 00:13:22
That's unaccounted for. Right? Like, if I put this hundred and $50 on a credit card that I knew I was gonna have to pay off Yep. Later in the month. Right?
Ian
00:13:22 – 00:13:30
It's gonna come out of our bank account. It's gonna be annoying. You know? I'm gonna be like, oh, man. I've hit a hundred $50 to, like, ride a mile.
Ian
00:13:30 – 00:13:36
Like, it's ridiculous. Right? But if it just, like, comes out of the poker winning, it's like, yeah. This is what this is for. This is, like, fun money.
Ian
00:13:36 – 00:13:37
Whatever. So
Aaron
00:13:37 – 00:13:48
Yeah. What are the odds that this is the first time Jamie's hearing about the $11,000 profit? Is is that does she know about it yet, or is this okay. Alright. I didn't know how fun the fun money is.
Ian
00:13:48 – 00:14:00
She's okay with it being the slush fun. But that's the thing. I mean, it's like, if I was a professional poker player, you can't treat it that way, obviously, but this is a little bit. So I use it as, like, yeah, it's a little bit of a slush fund for other stuff. Don't worry.
Ian
00:14:00 – 00:14:18
Jamie uses it as a slush fund too. A large part of the poker bankroll has gone off into random people at the house who need cash for things and all that stuff. So whatever. It's, like, a reason you end up with some money around the house, although I do deposit kinda the bulk of it just to not have too much money sitting around the house. But, yeah.
Ian
00:14:18 – 00:14:22
But so while you're out with it, you just want it. There you go.
Aaron
00:14:22 – 00:14:35
Poppy state. It's not it's not, like, solidified. It's not locked in until you get on the plane out of Vegas. Right. And then when you get on the plane out of Vegas and you're like, I have $11,000, you don't care that you don't have $11,150.
Ian
00:14:35 – 00:14:36
Exactly. You're like,
Aaron
00:14:36 – 00:14:39
I came out at eleven k. I'm a genius. I'm still up, baby.
Ian
00:14:39 – 00:14:42
That's all that matters. I get it. No. I totally
Aaron
00:14:42 – 00:14:48
get it. That's why they also that's why they give you chips because they want you to think like that while you're in the casino.
Ian
00:14:48 – 00:14:48
Oh, they
Aaron
00:14:48 – 00:14:50
It's a chip. Yeah.
Ian
00:14:50 – 00:14:54
Yes. Oh, and that a % why they do that, and it works fantastically.
Aaron
00:14:54 – 00:14:55
It works fantastic.
Ian
00:14:55 – 00:14:56
Here's chips. Sure.
Aaron
00:14:56 – 00:15:01
Oh, Diet Coke? $25? Yeah. Here's one chip. That makes sense to me.
Ian
00:15:01 – 00:15:09
Yep. Yep. Oh, you're pushing in a thousand dollars into a pot? Oh, that's not this is just these 10 chips. That's not, like, money there.
Ian
00:15:09 – 00:15:10
But yeah.
Aaron
00:15:10 – 00:15:12
We gotta start a casino. What a racket.
Ian
00:15:12 – 00:15:14
I even won money playing roulette. It was quite a
Aaron
00:15:15 – 00:15:19
Oh, Ian. That's that's degenerate stuff, man. You can't be playing roulette.
Ian
00:15:19 – 00:15:30
I know. Well, here's the thing. You like to keep the I like to get the comps and the free rooms. So you gotta give the casino, like, a little a little love back. Like, they want you to play the games they know you're gonna lose at.
Ian
00:15:30 – 00:15:38
So that kind of balanced that out. They don't give you much credit for playing poker. They don't they're not gonna give you many free rooms just because you play poker. So I love roulette. I like roulette because it's the opposite of poker.
Ian
00:15:38 – 00:15:41
No thinking, pick a number, spin the wheel. Chance.
Aaron
00:15:42 – 00:15:43
Odds are stacked against you.
Ian
00:15:43 – 00:15:51
Literally nothing to think about. Like, there's just like, I like the number 24. Great. Let's put $10 on it. That's that.
Ian
00:15:51 – 00:16:06
But, yeah, Vegas is great. I love Vegas. Yeah. They did have I didn't so this is the thing I did think about, but I didn't at Poppy Steak, they had a $1,000 Scotch of the Macallan, which is the only Scotch I generally drink. Thirty year Macallan.
Aaron
00:16:07 – 00:16:09
One glass for a thousand dollars?
Ian
00:16:10 – 00:16:16
For $1,000. I was tempted, but I didn't pull the trigger on that one. That was a lot. Gosh. No way.
Ian
00:16:17 – 00:16:21
That was a little too much for the slush fund. I was like, that might be going too far.
Aaron
00:16:21 – 00:16:27
Also, Scotch. Imagine paying a thousand dollars and then drinking a charred campfire. Like, that sounds awful.
Ian
00:16:27 – 00:16:32
No. That's why I gotta have the Macallan. Have you had the Macallan? No. Okay.
Ian
00:16:32 – 00:16:34
Next time we're together, we're gonna have the Macallan at Okay.
Aaron
00:16:34 – 00:16:37
Next time you're up $11,000, I'll let you buy me some Macallan.
Ian
00:16:37 – 00:16:39
In Denver, we're gonna have the Macallan.
Aaron
00:16:39 – 00:16:40
There we go.
Ian
00:16:40 – 00:16:43
It tastes like Christmas morning. It tastes like a summer
Aaron
00:16:43 – 00:16:46
All those peaty scotches taste like a campfire to me.
Ian
00:16:46 – 00:16:51
That's what I'm I agree. I don't like those. McAllen is totally different. You're gonna love the McAllen.
Aaron
00:16:51 – 00:16:53
Alright. I'll be open minded to that.
Ian
00:16:53 – 00:17:03
Yeah. I thought about extending Denver by a day. There is some poker in Denver. It's up in the mountains, but we go on vacation right after. I don't wanna go early for a couple reasons.
Ian
00:17:04 – 00:17:05
Probably not happening. But
Aaron
00:17:06 – 00:17:11
yeah. But but you know what probably is happening? Uh-oh. The mostly technical day zero party.
Ian
00:17:12 – 00:17:12
What?
Aaron
00:17:12 – 00:17:15
That's mostly definitely happening.
Ian
00:17:15 – 00:17:17
When did this happen? Are you sure?
Aaron
00:17:17 – 00:17:18
I'm mostly definitely sure.
Ian
00:17:18 – 00:17:20
Mostly sure. Well,
Aaron
00:17:20 – 00:17:24
I'm not I'm not gonna give out any details yet because I don't have any.
Ian
00:17:24 – 00:17:26
Yeah. We're working on stuff.
Aaron
00:17:26 – 00:17:31
But we're working on it. And I think I think that it's we've passed the more likely than not threshold.
Ian
00:17:31 – 00:17:31
I think so.
Aaron
00:17:31 – 00:17:37
I think we're well well past that threshold. We're well into, like, the 75, 80 percent it's gonna happen threshold.
Ian
00:17:38 – 00:17:42
I feel like that's correct. So We are gonna be having a party.
Aaron
00:17:42 – 00:17:53
We are gonna be having a mostly technical party night zero is, I think, the the plan. So y'all y'all get in town get in town in time to come to the mostly technical party.
Ian
00:17:53 – 00:17:57
Which I like that it's the night before because I feel like almost everybody should be there.
Aaron
00:17:57 – 00:17:58
You know? I agree. Yep.
Ian
00:17:59 – 00:18:08
You know, most people aren't coming in the morning of the conference. So, hopefully, everybody's there. Try not to come in late. I guess that's the main thing. Like, don't come in at eleven being like, oh, there's nothing going on.
Ian
00:18:08 – 00:18:09
There's stuff going on.
Aaron
00:18:09 – 00:18:10
There's stuff going on, baby.
Ian
00:18:11 – 00:18:21
Come on in. We're We're gonna have a party. It's probably gonna be ticketed, so we'll let you know about that. But you can get a ticket because it's gonna be in a space that's, you know, only holds so many people. But it's a good number of people.
Aaron
00:18:21 – 00:18:24
Gonna be free to the end user, but ticketed nonetheless.
Ian
00:18:24 – 00:18:28
Yes. Free. That's what we're thinking anyway. I think think free.
Aaron
00:18:28 – 00:18:29
Probably.
Ian
00:18:29 – 00:18:32
Probably. Unless you all wanna pay us money. Maybe we can have a tip jar.
Aaron
00:18:32 – 00:18:38
Ah, I love a tip jar. Yeah. They walk in. We turn around the iPad. We say, how much do you wanna tip to be here?
Aaron
00:18:38 – 00:18:42
We haven't done anything, but how much do you wanna tip? That's perfect. I love that.
Ian
00:18:42 – 00:18:56
Shout out to the, Laravel Inc crew and Hank over there and Samantha. Yep. Her name, Samantha. Because because they've been helping us kinda put it together, and, yeah, I think it's gonna be cool. I'm pretty excited about it.
Aaron
00:18:56 – 00:19:01
And by helping us put it together, you mean mostly doing all the work. Doing all
Ian
00:19:01 – 00:19:01
the work.
Aaron
00:19:02 – 00:19:05
So just just so, you know, we're we're clear. Yeah.
Ian
00:19:05 – 00:19:06
We're the talent.
Aaron
00:19:06 – 00:19:12
That's right. That's right. You think Matthew McConaughey plans his own parties? Come on. We're McConaughey, baby.
Ian
00:19:13 – 00:19:17
Back there, be like, here's what's gonna the curtain and this thing and getting the lighting people. No.
Aaron
00:19:18 – 00:19:23
I don't know. I've heard he's pretty meticulous. But yeah. Yeah. We're definitely not doing that.
Aaron
00:19:23 – 00:19:24
That's for sure.
Ian
00:19:24 – 00:19:27
No. We need help. We need helpers. We can't do this on our own.
Aaron
00:19:27 – 00:19:28
We need so much help.
Ian
00:19:29 – 00:19:36
No. It's gonna be fun. We're gonna have a party. People are gonna hang out. I don't know if we're gonna I think right now, I think we're not really doing anything.
Ian
00:19:36 – 00:19:38
We're just, like, just gonna be a gathering.
Aaron
00:19:38 – 00:19:40
Just gonna be a gathering. Just a welcome party.
Ian
00:19:40 – 00:19:44
Yeah. We thought about recording, but, adds a lot of
Aaron
00:19:44 – 00:19:57
Adds a lot, and I don't know. Then it's, like, thirty to thirty minutes to an hour of people sitting around listening to us. And what if it's not, you know, what if it's not funny, which it obviously would be. But It'd be funny. Come on.
Aaron
00:19:57 – 00:20:03
Hey. Come on. I don't know. It just you know, I'd rather I'd rather be amongst the people. You know?
Aaron
00:20:03 – 00:20:03
Yeah.
Ian
00:20:03 – 00:20:10
Yeah. I think so. Plus, you're emceeing Right. The event. So it's like, that's a whole you're busy to begin with and all that.
Ian
00:20:10 – 00:20:22
So, yeah, I think we'll start this year's gathering. Maybe we'll we'll layer on more stuff in the future. But, yeah, that's gonna be exciting. I'm very excited about that. The day zero party.
Ian
00:20:22 – 00:20:25
So so get your Laracon tickets.
Aaron
00:20:25 – 00:20:28
Get your Laracon tickets. Yeah. Yeah.
Ian
00:20:28 – 00:20:31
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Aaron
00:20:31 – 00:20:50
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Aaron
00:20:50 – 00:21:08
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Aaron
00:21:09 – 00:21:17
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Ian
00:21:17 – 00:21:20
Very cool. So you were traveling this week too?
Aaron
00:21:20 – 00:21:28
I was traveling. I was traveling. Just a podcast about town. I too saw Taylor. So Taylor had a big Taylor had a big weekend.
Aaron
00:21:28 – 00:21:33
Got to see both halves of mostly technical. Lucky Taylor. Lucky him.
Ian
00:21:33 – 00:21:33
Oh, lucky god.
Aaron
00:21:33 – 00:21:40
Everyone should be so lucky. Yes. So I went to React Miami this past week.
Ian
00:21:40 – 00:21:40
Yes.
Aaron
00:21:41 – 00:22:15
And it was very different. First of all, it was a lot of fun, and I think that is one of the main things that they're optimizing for is a lot of fun. It was like it felt like spring break for developers. I mean, people were just cutting loose, man. So, yeah, I went as, stand in cohost for a podcast called Whiskey Web and Whatnot, which is very fun.
Aaron
00:22:15 – 00:22:26
They, you know, they drink whiskey and talk about the Internet. It's like, yeah. I could get behind that. So I went to help hold down the booth. So I had a few responsibilities, but not not too many.
Aaron
00:22:26 – 00:22:35
I think we did three interviews on one day and then maybe just one the next day. So I wasn't terribly busy, which was nice. But, yeah, they
Ian
00:22:36 – 00:22:38
they were interviews. I didn't think you were interviewing. I thought you were
Aaron
00:22:38 – 00:22:38
Oh, yeah.
Ian
00:22:39 – 00:22:41
Shooting shooting shit, but you were interviewing people.
Aaron
00:22:41 – 00:22:50
I mean, that is kind is is kinda, hey. How's your father? But it is an interview. So, yeah, very casual, though. Day zero, went to the party at Dax's house.
Ian
00:22:51 – 00:22:52
Dax's house.
Aaron
00:22:52 – 00:23:04
Dax's house. Saw a lot of lot of friends there. Saw the whole, the whole terminal crew, all the coffee boys, then, you know, bunch of Cloudflare folks. I sent them your best. I said, my cohost, Ian folks.
Aaron
00:23:04 – 00:23:06
Says thank you for the stock appreciation.
Ian
00:23:07 – 00:23:08
I I didn't know.
Aaron
00:23:08 – 00:23:15
And then I told him to get back to work. I just got I got a shareholder who's who's pinging me, and he's like, y'all gotta quit partying. Yeah.
Ian
00:23:15 – 00:23:17
Yeah. They just gotta get back to work. What the hell is going on?
Aaron
00:23:17 – 00:23:28
So that was fun. Lot of lot of CloudFlare people there, which they're all all I don't I can't speak for all of them, but all the ones I met were wonderful. Just absolutely a delight.
Ian
00:23:28 – 00:23:31
So only hires wonderful people.
Aaron
00:23:31 – 00:23:36
Apparently. Or at least he only sends the wonderful ones to conferences because all the ones I met were wonderful.
Ian
00:23:36 – 00:23:38
Dax is a big CloudFlare guy also.
Aaron
00:23:38 – 00:23:39
He is. Big CloudFlare guy.
Ian
00:23:40 – 00:23:41
Part of the thing.
Aaron
00:23:41 – 00:23:53
One funny one funny, situation I found myself in was I was talking to a woman that works at CloudFlare, And I was like, oh, hey. What do you do? Oh, cool. I know this guy that works at Cloudflare. I follow him.
Aaron
00:23:53 – 00:24:05
I don't know him personally, but I follow him. And he's super cool, and I really like him. Do you work with him at all? And she kinda smiled, and I was like, uh-oh. Did I, like, you know, did I step in it?
Aaron
00:24:05 – 00:24:12
Like, what's going on here? She smiled and kinda laughed, and she said, yeah. I know him. That's actually my husband. I'm married to him.
Aaron
00:24:12 – 00:24:24
And I was like, oh. Crazy. That's crazy. Different last names, obviously, I didn't know. But, like, talk about the ultimate, happy, like, like, opposite of stepping in it was Yeah.
Aaron
00:24:24 – 00:24:28
Hey. I know this guy on the Internet. I love him. He's awesome. Do you know him?
Aaron
00:24:28 – 00:24:32
And she says, know him. I'm married to him. I was like, that's crazy.
Ian
00:24:32 – 00:24:33
Than you do.
Aaron
00:24:33 – 00:24:41
Yeah. I know. I was like, you're so lucky. So that was fun. And then lots of, neon people, the database.
Aaron
00:24:41 – 00:24:52
Lots of neon people there. They sent their best and brightest. Very fun. Yeah. I saw Guillermo Rausch at Dax's party, and Guillermo and Dax took a picture together.
Aaron
00:24:52 – 00:24:58
And I'm like, I thought you guys were mortal enemies. Like, is this just all is this all a facade? Is this all for 10?
Ian
00:24:58 – 00:24:59
Yeah. So they
Aaron
00:24:59 – 00:25:06
took this picture. You know, Guillermo came bearing gifts. And he Oh. Yeah. He rolled in this large wooden horse and was like, don't look inside of it.
Aaron
00:25:06 – 00:25:17
It's fine. I'm just kidding. He came bearing a, like, it was like this really fancy, like, chocolate dessert, walked in, and was like, hey. I brought a, you know, a gift. It's like, what a classy guy.
Aaron
00:25:17 – 00:25:19
So, yeah, that was very confusing.
Ian
00:25:20 – 00:25:20
Look at that.
Aaron
00:25:20 – 00:25:27
That was very confusing to me. The they're like buds. I thought they were I really thought they were enemies. Yeah. Who knows?
Aaron
00:25:27 – 00:25:30
Maybe everything on the Internet is not as sincere as I thought it was.
Ian
00:25:31 – 00:25:31
For sure.
Aaron
00:25:31 – 00:25:33
And then shocking
Ian
00:25:33 – 00:25:41
at different levels. You know, I mean, Guillermo is, like, running this giant company. Doc's, like, in a start up. So, yeah, you don't have to be mortal enemies, like Yeah. In that regard.
Aaron
00:25:41 – 00:25:48
I think I think Guillermo and Matthew Prince maybe are actually mortal enemies, and maybe Guillermo and Dax are just hamming it up for the people. Who can say?
Ian
00:25:48 – 00:25:50
I think that could be. Yeah.
Aaron
00:25:51 – 00:25:55
And then Dax's dog bit somebody. Yikes. Yeah.
Ian
00:25:55 – 00:25:56
That's crazy.
Aaron
00:25:56 – 00:26:06
Very bad. And, apparently, Dax's dog bit somebody last year. What? Yes. He bit apparently apparently, this dog bit Sam Selikhov last year
Ian
00:26:06 – 00:26:06
Oh my god.
Aaron
00:26:06 – 00:26:19
And, like, drew blood. Yes. And this year, it bit, Taylor Dessen, not Taylor well, Taylor Dessen, the recruiter guy, bit him on the butt, ripped his pants, drew blood, and Taylor had to go to the urgent care. I
Ian
00:26:19 – 00:26:21
mean, that's a real bite. If it if it's
Aaron
00:26:21 – 00:26:24
That's a real bite from a Doberman. Yes.
Ian
00:26:24 – 00:26:26
That's like a real bite.
Aaron
00:26:26 – 00:26:32
And I'm like, what the hell is this dog doing out here if it bit somebody last year? Oh, boy. I know.
Ian
00:26:32 – 00:26:34
How does OSHA hear about Dax's house? Jeez.
Aaron
00:26:34 – 00:26:36
No kidding. So that was feels
Ian
00:26:36 – 00:26:37
on brand, to be honest.
Aaron
00:26:37 – 00:26:39
It is kinda on brand. Yeah. No.
Ian
00:26:39 – 00:26:41
He's got the dog's gotta bite somebody next year now too. You know?
Aaron
00:26:41 – 00:26:42
I know. It's thing now.
Ian
00:26:43 – 00:26:48
Not great. And Kinda like this. Like, there's a little it's a little, like, little danger in going
Aaron
00:26:48 – 00:26:52
A little danger coming to the party. Yeah. Hey. Come over. Have a drink.
Aaron
00:26:52 – 00:26:53
I don't know what'll happen.
Ian
00:26:53 – 00:26:57
I think it's great. I think you shouldn't be going to Dax's being like, oh, this is a safe space.
Aaron
00:26:57 – 00:26:58
This is a safe space.
Ian
00:26:59 – 00:27:01
You wanna be on edge at Dax's, though.
Aaron
00:27:01 – 00:27:04
If you're in Dax's, you gotta have eyes in the back of your head.
Ian
00:27:04 – 00:27:07
Exactly. Like, you wanna know what's going on, who's around you.
Aaron
00:27:07 – 00:27:10
Gonna get made fun of? Is the dog gonna bite me? What's going on? Can happen.
Ian
00:27:11 – 00:27:12
Somebody's gonna put a bag over
Aaron
00:27:12 – 00:27:14
my head. Anything's possible Exactly.
Ian
00:27:15 – 00:27:15
To this house.
Aaron
00:27:16 – 00:27:17
So that was kinda wild.
Ian
00:27:18 – 00:27:22
Probably the dog you know, it's a lot of people. Probably not used to that. You know?
Aaron
00:27:22 – 00:27:28
Yeah. You know? Fool me once. Put the dog in the backyard or, like, in the, you know, in the closet or something.
Ian
00:27:28 – 00:27:29
Yeah. Live dangerously.
Aaron
00:27:29 – 00:27:33
No. Not when you're hosting a party. So I
Ian
00:27:33 – 00:27:36
heard it was wild. I heard there was, like, Ken Ken Wheeler was in mare form and
Aaron
00:27:36 – 00:27:37
But, man.
Ian
00:27:37 – 00:27:39
Be a little sleepy at on the panel. Sounded like
Aaron
00:27:39 – 00:27:48
Ken Wheeler fell asleep. He's the MC. So we'll jump we'll we'll jump ahead a little bit. That was day zero. We'll jump ahead to the panel.
Aaron
00:27:48 – 00:27:50
So we got this panel with Guillermo Rausch
Ian
00:27:50 – 00:27:51
Right.
Aaron
00:27:51 – 00:27:56
Taylor Otwell. Yep. And then these two guys I've never heard of, but, apparently, they created React. Yeah.
Ian
00:27:56 – 00:27:58
Who asked? About them.
Aaron
00:27:58 – 00:28:13
Rando to me, but everybody else was starstruck. Right. They're on this panel. It's a little it's a little low energy, and then somebody answers, like you know, one of the panelists answers the final question that had been asked, and it just goes silent. And everybody's kinda, like, looking around.
Aaron
00:28:13 – 00:28:28
The whole thing's been a little awkward. Everybody's just kinda, like, looking around. And then Madison, who is one of the co MCs, like, elbows Ken, and Ken just kinda, like, pops up. He had fallen asleep on stage. Fallen asleep.
Ian
00:28:28 – 00:28:30
That's like a conference in name only. It's just like
Aaron
00:28:30 – 00:28:39
Name only. This is a party. This is this is a conference wrapped in a party. Yeah. It was I was like, what are we what is going on here?
Ian
00:28:39 – 00:28:41
Dude, that's a high bar.
Aaron
00:28:41 – 00:28:47
You're gonna have to have a bar. I know. Name at learn. I'm gonna have to stay awake during during my MC duties. That's crazy.
Ian
00:28:47 – 00:28:53
I feel like you gotta go the opposite direction. Like, what can you do to be even more, like, outrageous and inappropriate?
Aaron
00:28:53 – 00:28:55
Literally nothing. There's nothing left.
Ian
00:28:55 – 00:29:03
More than fall asleep is hard. Like, there's nothing left. Show is kinda different. Like, no show, it's like they're just gonna route around it and be like, okay. Well, we'll make it work, and
Aaron
00:29:03 – 00:29:03
Right.
Ian
00:29:03 – 00:29:13
They're not here or whatever. But, like, when they're when you're on stage and you're supposed to be there and you're physically there, but you're not mentally there, Not you're not aware of what's going on on your own joke.
Aaron
00:29:13 – 00:29:15
Not ideal. We'll say that.
Ian
00:29:15 – 00:29:18
Dude, you gotta come up with something for this. I'm telling you. I I I think you could top it.
Aaron
00:29:18 – 00:29:26
I think what I'm gonna come up with for Laracon is I'm going to faithfully execute my duties. I think that that's kinda like my MO.
Ian
00:29:26 – 00:29:27
Too on brand
Aaron
00:29:27 – 00:29:34
for you. No. That's kinda always my plan. Like Counterculture. What am I supposed to do, and how can I do that to the best of my abilities?
Aaron
00:29:34 – 00:29:43
That's kinda my move. Boredom, dude. Everybody has moves. That one just happens to be mine. So, yeah, kinda kinda off the rails.
Aaron
00:29:43 – 00:29:52
It was, Miami. Oh, dude. It was there was a lot going on. Fortunately fortunately, I had a posse. We love a posse.
Ian
00:29:52 – 00:29:55
A posse. That's why we had a posse this week too.
Aaron
00:29:55 – 00:30:03
We love a posse. So good. So so the posse was, Joe t, friend of the pod.
Ian
00:30:03 – 00:30:04
Oh, Joe t was there.
Aaron
00:30:04 – 00:30:15
PHP NYC Joe t. So he was there. John O'Nolan, whom we love. John O'Nolan, sir. Creator founder of, ghost.org.
Aaron
00:30:15 – 00:30:20
Big fan big fan of John O'Nolan. Then we had the Hank Taylor marketing at Laravel.
Ian
00:30:20 – 00:30:21
Alright.
Aaron
00:30:21 – 00:30:33
Yep. And then, we had this we had this other guy named Josiah who just kinda you know, Josiah, if you're listening, great hang. Sweet, sweet hang. Guy came out of nowhere. This guy came out of nowhere.
Aaron
00:30:33 – 00:30:34
Nowhere.
Ian
00:30:34 – 00:30:37
Are you speaking to that guy? Oh, what's the right there? That's all
Aaron
00:30:37 – 00:30:39
I need. Posse needs a Canadian.
Ian
00:30:39 – 00:30:40
Yeah. Canadian.
Aaron
00:30:40 – 00:30:50
So he was our Canadian. He came out of nowhere and was just, like, he was just there the whole time and always a delight. Just a sweet hang. We love a sweet hang.
Ian
00:30:50 – 00:30:54
You could just do things. You could just, like, introduce yourself and end up as part of a posse.
Aaron
00:30:54 – 00:30:58
Just you can just become part of a posse. It's that easy.
Ian
00:30:58 – 00:30:58
So it
Aaron
00:30:58 – 00:31:12
was it was great. It was a blast. Leah from Laravel was also there, but she was speaking, so she was a little more sparse. Right. But, yeah, I rolled around with Joe t, John, and Hank, and Josiah, and it was just like we had our little crew.
Aaron
00:31:12 – 00:31:13
It was awesome.
Ian
00:31:13 – 00:31:18
So you were there day zero Yep. And day one. Day one. And day two?
Aaron
00:31:18 – 00:31:26
And day two, I flew out. This is not a move I do very often, but I flew out at, like, 09:30 on day two. Nine 30 PM.
Ian
00:31:26 – 00:31:28
So you're in the whole thing, though?
Aaron
00:31:28 – 00:31:48
I was there the whole thing. Okay. But it ended it ended on a Friday, and Saturdays are, child care, as child care droughts, so I had to be home Saturday morning. So, yeah, I was there the whole time. Had a nice parting dinner, with the with the posse, and then grabbed my bags and went to the airport.
Aaron
00:31:48 – 00:32:01
It was great. That's amazing. Lot of fun. Taylor was there Taylor was at Dax's party and then was there, I think, just day one and then flew out, for Vegas. He he was part of the posse for a little bit.
Aaron
00:32:01 – 00:32:06
He can be an honorary member, but he wasn't he wasn't a full member. So He wasn't a full
Ian
00:32:06 – 00:32:08
member every minute like the rest of the community.
Aaron
00:32:08 – 00:32:16
Sorry. Big t. So it was great. I had I had a lot of fun. It was a, it was a very stark difference from Alaricon.
Aaron
00:32:16 – 00:32:24
Just, just the vibe was very different. And I think part of that is Miami as a city has its own vibe.
Ian
00:32:24 – 00:32:27
Right. And they're very into it heavy. Yes.
Aaron
00:32:27 – 00:32:39
They they the React Miami crew leans into the vibe of Miami. Yeah. I was, I was eating breakfast alone on day two, which is not sad. It's awesome. No.
Aaron
00:32:39 – 00:32:56
That's good. I was at a little coffee shop just, like, a block from the venue and eating breakfast alone and just enjoying my freedoms. Joe t and John O'Nolan walked in, and so we all sat down together. And I said to Joe, I was like, you know what I've realized? Miami is just like a very Miami is just like a very sexual city.
Aaron
00:32:56 – 00:33:04
And Joe laughed, and he was like, you're just now realizing this? And I'm like, I am. And I've noticed. I'll tell you, Joe. It's very different from Dallas.
Aaron
00:33:04 – 00:33:10
And he, like, put his head in his hands with, like, something I'm coming up with on the spot. This is an original insight.
Ian
00:33:10 – 00:33:11
Yeah. Nobody knows.
Aaron
00:33:11 – 00:33:19
Nobody knows. Nobody's ever heard this about Miami before. And he thought, you know Oh, man. So it was good. It was a lot of fun.
Aaron
00:33:19 – 00:33:19
It's very
Ian
00:33:19 – 00:33:19
different than
Aaron
00:33:19 – 00:33:24
Laracon, and I'm very much looking forward to Laracon.
Ian
00:33:24 – 00:33:28
But Well, Laracon takes on the persona of the founder. I feel like, you know,
Aaron
00:33:28 – 00:33:28
I think Taylor
Ian
00:33:28 – 00:33:42
is very chill and Yeah. So Laracon's very chill. Yeah. And and I think that's look. We talked about this before, but the Laracon community is kinda very chill because, like, that's how it's put together, I think Yep.
Ian
00:33:42 – 00:33:47
You know, intentionally. So, yeah. Yeah. But that's good. So everything went well then?
Aaron
00:33:47 – 00:33:55
Podcasting went well? Podcasting went well. I did, we had a sit down, so we had a full hour podcast with Guillermo, which was fun. Yeah.
Ian
00:33:55 – 00:34:07
Wow. So how how were were you able to hold up your end of the reactness? Were you on call for doing any reactness, or you were No. You were just just talking. You were going to do more business y stuff or
Aaron
00:34:07 – 00:34:11
Yeah. Business y stuff, color commentary, you know, that that sort of thing.
Ian
00:34:11 – 00:34:11
Okay.
Aaron
00:34:13 – 00:34:19
So that was fun. And then I was a part of Terminal Feud. So the coffee shop boys played Family Feud on stage.
Ian
00:34:19 – 00:34:20
Oh, just
Aaron
00:34:20 – 00:34:28
tell that. I was a part of that and, went literally head to head with Guillermo. So I don't know. Like Vercel. Yeah.
Aaron
00:34:28 – 00:34:29
Vercel's everywhere. Yeah.
Ian
00:34:29 – 00:34:29
Yeah.
Aaron
00:34:29 – 00:34:48
Vercel's everywhere. So they call you know, if you've ever seen Family Feud, they call, like, people out to the middle to, like, hit the button real fast. And so I came out and Guillermo came out, and they had told us backstage, like, hey. Y'all try to, like, hype it up a little bit, you know, boo the other team, that sort of thing. Like, be you know, amp up the bravado.
Aaron
00:34:49 – 00:35:09
And so Guillermo and I walked out to the middle, and somehow, we both had the same idea to pretend like we were boxers, and we touched foreheads together, me and Guillermo. So I'm standing on the stage. I'm like, you know, like, forehead to forehead with Guillermo Rauch, and we're, like, beating our chest. And I'm like, what? How am I here?
Aaron
00:35:09 – 00:35:10
What is going on?
Ian
00:35:10 – 00:35:11
Like, how you can just do things?
Aaron
00:35:12 – 00:35:15
Yeah. Exactly. So it was fun. It was good.
Ian
00:35:15 – 00:35:16
Did you win?
Aaron
00:35:17 – 00:35:29
No. We didn't win, actually. We got bamboozled. Yeah. Got really I think it it's I think the terminal boys play fast and loose with, like, the rules of the game and, like, what are the actual answers.
Aaron
00:35:30 – 00:35:30
And so they might
Ian
00:35:31 – 00:35:31
stage at
Aaron
00:35:31 – 00:35:38
the conference? This is on stage. Yeah. This is, yeah, like, the last thing or maybe second to last thing of the conference. So it was fun.
Aaron
00:35:38 – 00:35:41
It was it was a good bit. I'm glad that they did that.
Ian
00:35:41 – 00:35:50
Interesting way Interesting way to keep people there for day two. You know, a lot of times you lose people on day two. It's like, hey. We got some fun stuff and stuff happening in addition to the talks. That's kind of an interesting idea.
Ian
00:35:50 – 00:35:57
Yep. Family feud. Family feud. Jeez. Okay.
Ian
00:35:57 – 00:36:00
So any other any other tidbits? Anything else we need to know? Any good dinners?
Aaron
00:36:01 – 00:36:09
Yeah. We had, the last night, the Laravel crew went to a dinner. It was like Korean barbecue.
Ian
00:36:10 – 00:36:12
I've never been to Korean barbecue, which is crazy. There's tons of meat
Aaron
00:36:12 – 00:36:13
that work,
Ian
00:36:13 – 00:36:13
but I never
Aaron
00:36:13 – 00:36:19
Awesome. I was able to eat, like, 75% of the things that were offered. Wow. It was great.
Ian
00:36:19 – 00:36:19
That's very good.
Aaron
00:36:19 – 00:36:23
Good. And it's one of those, we did the Omakase menu
Ian
00:36:23 – 00:36:23
Okay.
Aaron
00:36:23 – 00:36:44
Which is, for the people who are not as cultured as I am. It was, where the the chef chooses, and it's so they just bring it out. And they cooked it in a little thing right in front of you. So, you know, they brought out all the meat, and then they would, like, cook it in front of you, and then they would serve it to you. And you got, like, you know, they probably did six different offerings.
Aaron
00:36:45 – 00:36:56
And it was great. It was very, very good. There's only one there's one that was like, hey. This is raw meat with caviar on top. And I was like, that sounds delightful for my neighbor and passed it over to Leah.
Aaron
00:36:56 – 00:37:02
You know? Yeah. But, yeah, that was probably the best that was probably the best dinner for sure.
Ian
00:37:02 – 00:37:06
Was this, like, in Miami Miami, or, like, it was in Several
Aaron
00:37:06 – 00:37:07
people have asked me that.
Ian
00:37:07 – 00:37:08
There, or is there, like,
Aaron
00:37:08 – 00:37:09
this is idea.
Ian
00:37:10 – 00:37:11
Could you see the ocean?
Aaron
00:37:12 – 00:37:13
I saw the water. Yeah.
Ian
00:37:13 – 00:37:14
So from the hotel, you were in
Aaron
00:37:15 – 00:37:23
From the hotel. I saw a little channel with these freaking huge yachts just cruising through. I'm like, how do you where where is all this money coming from?
Ian
00:37:23 – 00:37:38
I was just talking to somebody about this the other day that, like, probably the most dense amount of wealth I've ever seen in my own eyes was, like, in Miami Bay when we took that boat out there. It's just, like, it's just yacht after yacht after yacht. Huge house. Like, huge house. Like, man, a lot of money.
Ian
00:37:38 – 00:37:38
A lot
Aaron
00:37:38 – 00:37:43
of money. Lot of money. Lot of money. Yeah. So, yeah, I don't think,
Ian
00:37:43 – 00:37:44
We gotta get that yacht money.
Aaron
00:37:44 – 00:37:56
We gotta get that yacht money, man. But all in all, good conference. Very much, very much a party conference. So if that's what you're looking for, go to React Miami next year. That's a lot of fun.
Aaron
00:37:56 – 00:37:56
I think
Ian
00:37:56 – 00:38:17
a party conference. You know? I think, it's good to have all types of conferences. I think there was a point in the past where there was, like, every party was a a party conference or every conference was a party conference, and maybe that wasn't the best. But I think if you have a little more balance, it's like I feel like React Miami is is perfect too because, like, they are making it very clear that this is a party conference.
Ian
00:38:17 – 00:38:33
Right? He's like, you're not showing up there and not aware that people are going to be partying. Right. So then you can self select out if that's not your thing, or if it is your thing, then you can select in, and that's all great. So cool.
Ian
00:38:33 – 00:38:42
I I would that is the one non, like, Laravel conference I'm interested in going to at some point is, React Miami and checking that out even though I'm not a huge partier. But,
Aaron
00:38:42 – 00:38:43
yeah, yeah.
Ian
00:38:43 – 00:38:45
Yeah. Maybe next year, it'll happen.
Aaron
00:38:45 – 00:38:56
Nuno stream live streamed the entire thing. Couple days straight. Like, there was a React Miami livestream, and Nuno livestreamed himself watching the livestream Oh, really?
Ian
00:38:56 – 00:38:56
For two
Aaron
00:38:56 – 00:39:07
days straight. Just like, dude, that seems brutal. But he said, he said he'll be going next year. He was like, oh, I I gotta go to this next year. So the Laravel him.
Aaron
00:39:08 – 00:39:10
Con contingent might grow.
Ian
00:39:10 – 00:39:16
Wow. I didn't know Nuno was, like, a React guy. I don't think I've ever heard him talk about React. Yeah. He doesn't use it there, so I guess Yeah.
Aaron
00:39:16 – 00:39:29
I think with cloud, they've all become a little bit more React y, which which, you know, that's what I was saying last week. The world is moving to React. If it hasn't already, it's going to. It's over. This view is done.
Ian
00:39:29 – 00:39:32
So how did you what'd you wrap up there with Fusion?
Aaron
00:39:33 – 00:39:50
Yeah. So I feel very good about it. Okay. Basically, I need to I need to, like, write a post that says it's dead. But I feel very good about it, being dead, and no one has reached out and been like, oh, man.
Aaron
00:39:50 – 00:39:54
I was really looking forward to it. So good sign already. Several people
Ian
00:39:54 – 00:39:55
about it.
Aaron
00:39:55 – 00:40:00
Yeah. Several kind people reached out and was like, hey. I'm really sorry to hear this. I'm like, oh, thanks. That's nice.
Ian
00:40:00 – 00:40:01
That's nice.
Aaron
00:40:01 – 00:40:14
And then a few people have reached out and said, hey. I think fusion is close, but, like, it needs, you know, to fundamentally change, and here are my ideas for changing it. Mhmm. And I'm like, yeah. Most you know, those are pretty good ideas.
Aaron
00:40:15 – 00:40:35
Not really something I want to pursue right now, but some people were like, I liked some parts of this, and, it needs to live on in some way. I'm like, sure. Maybe. And I talked to Taylor and Joe at, React Miami, and I asked Joe. I was like, so now that it's dead, you're the inertia guy.
Aaron
00:40:35 – 00:40:45
What do you think? And he was like, I think what you did is technically very, very amazing, very impressive. It's just, it's not for me. I was like, great. That's a, you know Yeah.
Aaron
00:40:45 – 00:40:53
Great response. Totally what I was intuiting from the people. And I told Taylor I apologized to Taylor. I was like, hey, man. Yeah.
Aaron
00:40:53 – 00:41:05
You shake your head. So did he. He was like, I don't care. I was like, hey. I you know, sorry I made this, you know, big spectacle and did this Lyric Honey You thing, and then turns out it didn't work.
Aaron
00:41:05 – 00:41:12
And he's like, man, that's fine. I don't care at all. Like, you you did it, and it didn't work. I don't why would I why would I care? That's how it goes.
Aaron
00:41:12 – 00:41:13
I'm like, oh, wow. That's interesting.
Ian
00:41:14 – 00:41:15
That's an interesting take.
Aaron
00:41:15 – 00:41:21
May maybe I have some inner work to do there. That's interesting. But, yeah, I feel I feel a relief about it for sure.
Ian
00:41:21 – 00:41:25
That's good. Okay. Yeah. So we're in a good spot there then.
Aaron
00:41:25 – 00:41:26
We're in a good spot there.
Ian
00:41:26 – 00:41:31
Yeah. Alright. Sounds good. Well, let's do let's do let's pay the bills.
Aaron
00:41:31 – 00:41:32
Let's pay the bills, baby.
Ian
00:41:32 – 00:41:33
A few more things to, to
Aaron
00:41:33 – 00:41:34
Speaking of conferences.
Ian
00:41:34 – 00:41:51
Yeah. Yes. Thank you to our friends at Laracon US twenty twenty five, if you can believe that. Laracon is calling all web artisans come to dev to Denver ready to level up, Eve ready to ship. And, you can check them out at Laracon.US.
Ian
00:41:52 – 00:41:57
Is that right? Yeah. Laracon.US. There there was a short link in the description.
Aaron
00:41:57 – 00:42:00
You can There's a short link in the description, and you should click on it.
Ian
00:42:00 – 00:42:02
You should click on it so that they know you clicked on it.
Aaron
00:42:02 – 00:42:02
But if
Ian
00:42:02 – 00:42:12
you don't click on it, you go to Laracon.US. It'll take you right there. Buy a ticket. We're gonna be there. We're gonna have a party, 80% likely, and it's gonna be great.
Ian
00:42:12 – 00:42:31
We're definitely gonna be there, so that's for sure. And, also, thanks to our friends at native PHP for mobile. Turn your Laravel project into a native mobile app ready for the app stores in minutes with native PHP for mobile. Check out nativePHP.com/mobile. Get a really cool, community project there.
Ian
00:42:31 – 00:42:32
So check that out.
Aaron
00:42:32 – 00:42:35
IOS and Android now. They're really they're cooking.
Ian
00:42:35 – 00:42:41
Yeah. I mean, that's yeah. Like, we talked about this before, but I do wanna do a mobile app at some
Aaron
00:42:41 – 00:42:42
I know you did.
Ian
00:42:42 – 00:42:45
Some point in my life. I would, like, do a mobile app. Like, all that distribution
Aaron
00:42:45 – 00:42:46
I know.
Ian
00:42:46 – 00:42:46
Just there.
Aaron
00:42:46 – 00:42:47
It's just there.
Ian
00:42:47 – 00:42:58
A lot of competition out there too, but still distribution. Alright. So on so I'm in my pod on the plane. K? I have the whole row to myself.
Ian
00:42:58 – 00:43:03
It's one cc in the row. K? And it's mine, and I'm in the pod. K? And I'm sitting back.
Ian
00:43:03 – 00:43:09
I'm in the relax mode. I'm leaning back. K? Got my laptop out. You know what I do right then?
Aaron
00:43:09 – 00:43:10
Tell me. What do you do?
Ian
00:43:11 – 00:43:12
I put on Aaron Francis.
Aaron
00:43:12 – 00:43:16
No. That's what I do. You old dog? Aaron Francis. You old dog, what did you watch?
Ian
00:43:17 – 00:43:22
I watched your, video about how you're laying out the schema
Aaron
00:43:23 – 00:43:25
and We love we love a schema layout.
Ian
00:43:25 – 00:43:27
Models and all this stuff.
Aaron
00:43:27 – 00:43:28
Did you watch the whole thing?
Ian
00:43:28 – 00:43:33
I watched it's an hour and six minutes or whatever. I watched every minute. What,
Aaron
00:43:33 – 00:43:37
Ian? What was it? You're doing you're doing too much. Well, what did you think?
Ian
00:43:37 – 00:43:59
I loved it. Everybody should watch this video. I think it was so, useful, and, I really love the whole, well, what it is is you are going through the database design, basically, and somewhat the code mindset of, the course selling platform. I don't know what you're actually calling this thing, but Yeah.
Aaron
00:43:59 – 00:44:00
Close enough.
Ian
00:44:00 – 00:44:22
I don't know who has a name, yes, of of what you're building. As we've talked about on the show, you're building this full store cart system for all the different courses so you can cross sell and you can have free versions and you can have all upsells and whatever, all that stuff. And, yeah. So you went through the whole database design of it, and it was great because I especially love that you start with, like, your kinda naive take. Yep.
Ian
00:44:22 – 00:44:30
And then you we got to see your whole evolution. It's not just like, oh, here's what we came up with. Let's look at this chart. Right? It's like, no.
Ian
00:44:30 – 00:44:42
Let me start with the kind of basics. Then, oh, we need to handle this, then we need to do that, and we got this other thing. And that teal draw app is, like, amazing. And you're an expert in it. It seems like you got it all.
Ian
00:44:43 – 00:44:51
It was all beautiful. Uh-huh. It looked great. You need to do more of this stuff. I don't even know I don't even know what the angle is, but I think that was awesome.
Ian
00:44:51 – 00:44:58
And I think it was, like, it was just, like, I learned stuff for sure, and it was just cool to see the thought process there. So, no, it was
Aaron
00:44:58 – 00:45:02
Yeah. It's great feedback. Yeah. And it's novel. Right?
Aaron
00:45:02 – 00:45:03
Not everybody's doing that.
Ian
00:45:03 – 00:45:17
No. I mean, I don't know how an hour video performs, but I liked it. Like, I thought it was it needed the hour. I think if you try to do it in less, I don't think it would have been as good. And but the most impressive part is I think it was an hour, and I was never bored.
Ian
00:45:17 – 00:45:29
It wasn't like, oh, we're in the database, you know, dry zone where Yeah. I mean, because you weren't really even taught you didn't get too nerdy on the data, but it was like a beautiful bow it was just you kept it high enough level that's like, this is, like, the business goals
Aaron
00:45:30 – 00:45:30
Mhmm.
Ian
00:45:30 – 00:45:39
And this is what we're trying to do, and this is how we're gonna do it so that it all makes sense when we build it out, blah blah blah. But it wasn't you didn't go all the way down until, like, here's every column
Aaron
00:45:39 – 00:45:40
and Oh, yeah.
Ian
00:45:40 – 00:45:48
You know, all that kind of stuff, which obviously you don't you needed to do for yourself at some point, but, or maybe there could be a video that gets deep into some of that.
Aaron
00:45:48 – 00:45:49
But I
Ian
00:45:49 – 00:45:54
think for that video, it was great that it was just, like, at a little bit higher level. Yeah. I thought it was awesome.
Aaron
00:45:54 – 00:45:58
God. That that just made my day. That's amazing.
Ian
00:45:58 – 00:46:01
More videos. I love Harry Francis videos.
Aaron
00:46:01 – 00:46:13
That is a ringing endorsement from you. Yeah. I know you're I know you're partial to databases, but that is a ringing endorsement. That that makes me feel really good. I do I did like like, I very much enjoyed doing that video.
Aaron
00:46:13 – 00:46:39
Mhmm. And it's a little bit of a different style because I've never done one of those, like, just TL draw only videos. Yeah. And I like it. And I got a lot of really good comments on, like, that kind of aspect of it, which is, like, we need more of these real world problem solving and less of the, like, watch me make a to do app, which is encouraging for me because I don't want to make to do apps.
Aaron
00:46:39 – 00:47:03
Right? Because my my thing is not, like, let's explore every new stack as it comes out and ride all the hype waves, which is, like, a viable content strategy for, like, a generalist, but that's not what I wanna do with my life. Like, I wanna just keep doing Laravel and Vue and hopefully making a lot of money. Fingers crossed. So, like, I'm kinda out in the cold in terms of people will be like, hey.
Aaron
00:47:03 – 00:47:21
What do you think of the new release of Svelte? And I'm like, no. No freaking clue. Never even looked at it. So the fact that people liked this deep dive into some of the more, like, business y problems as they relate to databases is really encouraging for me because I can do I can do a lot of those.
Ian
00:47:21 – 00:47:36
I even think just like the format of the TL draw, for a video, I thought was awesome. Like, way better than if you were bringing up your code editor and looking at migrations and, like Right. That kind of thing. You know? And, all
Aaron
00:47:36 – 00:47:38
of a sudden because that would have been too in the weeds or what?
Ian
00:47:39 – 00:48:01
No. Not not even the weeds part. I just think visually, like, for like, when you're watching a video and it's, like, code, I just feel like it's I could not sit through an hour of, like, we're looking at every migration and you're talking about the databases, and I'm like, there's you see the columns. All the Yeah. Like, it, like, cleans it up, and you could really see the interconnection because that's what it obviously, you were showing with the arrows and stuff.
Ian
00:48:01 – 00:48:18
And, like, I just thought I kept it at the right level, and visually, it was pleasing, and you could zoom in to get to, like, a detailed part, but then you could zoom out. We could see the whole thing together. Mhmm. And I think that was so effective. And I feel like you could even do that for other types of things where it's just like, I'm drawing the boxes, and I'm making connections.
Ian
00:48:18 – 00:48:25
And, like, that's just a great format for, like, that little bit higher level Mhmm. Discussion of something.
Aaron
00:48:25 – 00:48:45
Yeah. It's interesting because I agree with what you just said. I think you can do that for other things. Because in my head, when I'm, like, coding, and I'm sure most people are this way, you have some sort of visual of, like, how these classes interact with each other or how this flow is, like, laid out. And it may just be, you know, background jobs that hand off to background jobs.
Aaron
00:48:45 – 00:49:00
But in your head, there's, like, that diagram exists in your head even if it's just code. And so having the ability to quickly and aesthetically draw out those diagrams, I think, is pretty good. Yeah. I think I'm gonna adopt that more moving forward.
Ian
00:49:00 – 00:49:22
I think so. I think you could find a spot for that to, like, fold it in places because it it was very effective, I feel like, in, communicating that over the video and being able to, like, zoom in, zoom out, see the big picture, drill down in. And then, yeah, you could you did hop over to code a few times a little bit, but, so you could obviously just go back and forth where it makes sense. Yeah. No.
Ian
00:49:22 – 00:49:27
I dug it. Now I gotta look into this tool. I'm like, I need this tool. I know. I need to do this for my own stuff.
Ian
00:49:27 – 00:49:28
Like, I gotta get out
Aaron
00:49:28 – 00:49:35
of here. You know what's funny? This tool is is called TL draw. TLdraw.com. No sponsor, but we we do love them.
Aaron
00:49:35 – 00:49:58
TL draw, any very first, publish your work increases your luck, that very first talk that I gave, Yell Draw was one of the examples in that talk. And so you can go back. The GitHub universe one isn't recorded at Laracon Nashville. Actually, I don't Laracon EU that year, I think, was not recorded. So you can go to Laracon Nashville talk and go find an example.
Aaron
00:49:58 – 00:50:17
Like, there's a middle section of that talk where I talk about examples, and one of them is TL draw. And the thing I said about TL draw is, you know, this guy is so excited about this SVG whiteboard thing that he has, like, amassed this following of people who are really excited about it, and now he's able to go full time on it.
Ian
00:50:17 – 00:50:17
Oh, wow.
Aaron
00:50:17 – 00:50:33
And my comment to about that was, I have no idea what his tool is. I have no no need for it. I will probably never use it, but I am, like, following along because he is very excited. I said those things out of my mouth. And then That's so funny.
Aaron
00:50:33 – 00:50:54
Weeks ago, I was like, man, I I wonder if TL draw is good for this. And so, like, four years later, after I started following this guy, I'm like, oh, this is actually the best tool in the world. How funny. So, yeah, marketing attribution is hard because now I've I've converted, and it was like, well, I started following the guy four years ago. How do you track that?
Ian
00:50:54 – 00:50:59
That is funny. I didn't realize it was, like, a guy. Like and that was, like, that small thing. You know?
Aaron
00:50:59 – 00:51:04
Yeah. It was. I think he just recently raised $10,000,000.
Ian
00:51:04 – 00:51:20
See that now. Yeah. And it's kinda weird because, you can use it for free, and the watermark always has to be there. Mhmm. If you're a business using TL draw SDK in production, what the heck's the SDK?
Aaron
00:51:20 – 00:51:36
So his whole I think his whole business model is, there's, like, a free version that you can come and use as a consumer. But if you want to embed something like this in your app, then you can use his SDK, and you have, like, you know, many thousands of hours of work already done.
Ian
00:51:36 – 00:51:46
Interesting. Okay. Because it was like the only pricing on here is $6,000 a year. And I was like, that seems a little pricey for a drawing app, but that's not it's like to embed this in your product.
Aaron
00:51:46 – 00:52:10
You'll you'll appreciate this. Somewhere on his pricing, and I'm not looking at it, but somewhere on there is, like, the prices will say a thousand dollars a month, and then the next price over is, like, $2,000 a month. And the only difference is you need to talk to us. So for like, if you need to talk to legal or you need us to sign a contract or whatever, it's an extra thousand dollars a month or something like that. And I thought
Ian
00:52:10 – 00:52:17
He's he's changed that, because the pricing now is just a $6,000, and it's you have to contact them even to get that.
Aaron
00:52:17 – 00:52:20
Man, it was so good that he had that on there. Let me see.
Ian
00:52:20 – 00:52:23
Yeah. Not they raised the money. They're probably trying to
Aaron
00:52:23 – 00:52:24
probably so.
Ian
00:52:24 – 00:52:29
Do it a little differently. That is that's sort of interesting, though. You can embed this. That's crazy.
Aaron
00:52:29 – 00:52:30
Isn't that cool?
Ian
00:52:30 – 00:52:32
I feel like I wanna do something with this. What can I what can
Aaron
00:52:32 – 00:52:32
I do
Ian
00:52:32 – 00:52:38
with the product? Can I do I need to have a drawing thing embedded into my app for?
Aaron
00:52:38 – 00:52:50
And he's gone a long way. He's gone a long way on AI stuff. And so, like, you can you can actually use this to, like, build out kinda, like, AI workflows, basically.
Ian
00:52:50 – 00:52:51
Really?
Aaron
00:52:51 – 00:53:05
Yeah. It's very interesting. I don't I don't fully understand how that works, but on Twitter, I'm always seeing him, like, draw a box and then an arrow to another box, and it, like, flows through and does, like, an AI process. Like, what in the world? Oh, yeah.
Aaron
00:53:05 – 00:53:09
They totally changed this pricing. Oh, that's too bad.
Ian
00:53:09 – 00:53:19
Interesting. Yeah. Right? I like this tool. Because I I was actually, there was a couple things I wanted to, like, sketch out some ideas, and I was gonna use whimsical, which I know people Uh-huh.
Ian
00:53:19 – 00:53:23
Sometimes like. But I think I'm gonna try still draw instead because this looks really good.
Aaron
00:53:23 – 00:53:25
There you go. And that's how it's done.
Ian
00:53:25 – 00:53:29
Look at that. Influencing. YouTubers using it. That's the dream.
Aaron
00:53:30 – 00:53:31
Mhmm. I know.
Ian
00:53:31 – 00:53:35
Great. What other videos do you have in the queue for us? You got anything coming? Not one more.
Aaron
00:53:35 – 00:53:41
One. I've got one coming. I've got a, sponsored video coming out soon. So Yeah.
Ian
00:53:41 – 00:53:43
I haven't heard about sponsored videos in a while.
Aaron
00:53:43 – 00:54:03
We got one coming. And then I will probably I will probably do a similar long form video on that thing I talked about last week, dead drop, the command. And I have decided, you know what? I'm just not gonna make it into a package. I'm just I'm just over it.
Aaron
00:54:03 – 00:54:04
Okay. You know? No
Ian
00:54:04 – 00:54:05
breathers. Open source for
Aaron
00:54:06 – 00:54:10
Yeah. Take a little take a little breather. Let's let's make some let's make some money instead of
Ian
00:54:10 – 00:54:11
Oh, baby. I got that.
Aaron
00:54:11 – 00:54:14
Away for free. Yeah. So, yeah, I That's a
Ian
00:54:14 – 00:54:18
good thing too. People are gonna be like, the security thing and other things.
Aaron
00:54:18 – 00:54:21
I need the configuration. Yeah. I I have this
Ian
00:54:21 – 00:54:21
gonna be.
Aaron
00:54:21 – 00:54:25
You know, VPS. I'm like, I don't understand anything that you're trying to do here.
Ian
00:54:25 – 00:54:28
You can just do that anytime anyway. You don't
Aaron
00:54:28 – 00:54:35
So anyone that's listening, feel free to just run with it. That's great. It's all yours. Yeah. So, yeah, I've got that.
Aaron
00:54:35 – 00:54:56
And then, we've got a couple I've got a couple other ideas. I'm trying to pick up the cadence. So, and that was one thing with the the schema video was, like, that is the video that I wanted to make. And it was easy to make, and it felt good, and I'm gonna do more videos like that. Ones that I just want to make.
Aaron
00:54:56 – 00:55:11
I think there's a easy trap to fall into where it's, like, analysis paralysis of what, you know, what does the algorithm want, what is currently hot, like, what has never been done before. And you know what? I'm not doing that. I'm just gonna make videos that I want to make, and we'll see what happens.
Ian
00:55:11 – 00:55:24
Yeah. That's what got you here. Right? I feel like, you know, that's, you don't need to occasionally, there might be something really obvious that's like, we really should cover this, and you'll do it. But, like, yeah, I don't think I think for most of the time, he's like, what are you interested in?
Ian
00:55:24 – 00:55:25
Those are the ones that are gonna come out best. You know?
Aaron
00:55:25 – 00:55:26
Like, think
Ian
00:55:27 – 00:55:42
so. Yeah. Like, I feel like that video, you were obviously, like, into it, and you had thought it through like, the actual problem you had thought through, and that came through very clearly. And you knew what you were doing and why you were doing it, and you had good advice embedded in there, which was cool. And then the presentation was great.
Ian
00:55:42 – 00:55:52
So, yeah, I think it seems like the plan is, and if you're interested in it, then the audience is more likely to be interested in it. Whereas if you're just, like, floating through because you feel like you have to do it, probably not the best.
Aaron
00:55:52 – 00:56:02
And then I just become another if I'm just doing what is hot, I just become another talking head YouTuber, and I don't there's no part of me that wants to exist in that universe.
Ian
00:56:03 – 00:56:17
Yeah. Like, there's, what you do it does work, but it's also, like, for the person doing it, it's like, the guy I follow, like, several, like, photography channels. Right? And it's like, whenever, like, a new lens comes out. Right?
Ian
00:56:17 – 00:56:36
It's like everybody gets the lens, and then everybody does the review of the lens. And it's like, they're all, like, the same, and they're all just like, you know, okay. I gotta go somewhere interesting to try to, like, show you this lens, but I only have one day. So I, like, just, like, did a few you know, it's just like and they're all like that, and it's like, I don't know. Yeah.
Ian
00:56:36 – 00:56:38
So I think I think that's the right play.
Aaron
00:56:38 – 00:56:40
Yeah. So stay tuned. There will be more.
Ian
00:56:40 – 00:56:43
Alright. You have another item on here. What's up with this?
Aaron
00:56:43 – 00:56:53
Alright. So I know that you listened to the Jordan Dahl episode, but you remember none of it. So I'll I'll give you I'll give you a little refresher here. I was at a restaurant. You know?
Aaron
00:56:53 – 00:57:06
Right. I was at a restaurant many, many weeks ago, few months ago, met this, twin dad. And this this is a this is a thing I do quite often. If I see somebody out with twins, it's a % I'm gonna talk to them. Twins are an insulin pump.
Aaron
00:57:06 – 00:57:17
I'm basically like, hey. What's the deal? So I talked to this guy and, you know, we talked for a little bit, then they leave. And then I'm there again a few weeks later. So now, you know, maybe two weeks ago, and the guy comes up to me, and he's like, hey.
Aaron
00:57:17 – 00:57:22
You're the twin dad. Right? Yeah. Can I get your number? I'm having, you know, a hard time making friends.
Aaron
00:57:22 – 00:57:29
Just moved here. Told Jordan bravest thing I've ever seen in my entire life. Right. Is a is a man saying I would like to be friends. Like Yeah.
Ian
00:57:29 – 00:57:29
That's great.
Aaron
00:57:30 – 00:57:50
For you, guy. The So got his number. And so that guy is, at, like, a dinner restaurant. I also take the I take the big kids to breakfast every Saturday morning. Without fail, me and the big kids go into breakfast every Saturday morning, always to the same place, obviously.
Aaron
00:57:50 – 00:57:59
Come on. What would you expect from me? Yeah. And there's another twin dad that does the same. So at this other restaurant, there's this guy probably my age.
Aaron
00:57:59 – 00:58:14
She's got two, I wanna say they're, like, two year old boys. Mhmm. And so it's him and his boys and then his dad. So it's, like, really cool. It's, like, you know, three generations of men of this family, and the wife is staying at home with a new baby they just had.
Aaron
00:58:14 – 00:58:16
And so it's kind of the exact same situation. Right?
Ian
00:58:16 – 00:58:17
Mhmm.
Aaron
00:58:17 – 00:58:26
And so he and I have talked a whole bunch of times. So I, like, a week ago, walked up and was like, hey, man. I met this other twin dad. He's, like, looking for some friends. Can I get your number?
Aaron
00:58:26 – 00:58:32
And we, like, go out and just, like, get a beer together. And he's like, I would love that. That would be awesome. So I got this guy's number. Right?
Aaron
00:58:32 – 00:58:48
So then, I think it was yesterday. No. Yesterday was Monday. I think it was Sunday. So Saturday or Sunday, I'm running an errand with, the babies, and I'm, like, at Target doing a pickup as one does, here in the big city.
Aaron
00:58:48 – 00:59:04
And I see I see this couple walking with what are obviously twins. And so I roll up. You know, I'm on my way out. I roll up in the minivan, nonthreatening, roll my window down, and I realize I've met this guy before. I met this I met this guy at Micosina.
Aaron
00:59:04 – 00:59:12
Apparently, I'm at restaurants all the time. So are other twin dads. I've met this guy. Alright. And so I roll up and roll down my window, and I'm like, oh, hey.
Aaron
00:59:12 – 00:59:18
It's good to see you. How old? Oh, two years. Oh, I got the, you know, I got the 16 olds with me. And he's like, where are the other ones?
Aaron
00:59:18 – 00:59:22
And I'm like, okay. So I've definitely met this guy. Yeah. I know this guy.
Ian
00:59:22 – 00:59:23
He knows your story.
Aaron
00:59:23 – 00:59:34
Yes. And I think this guy used to live in the neighborhood that we lived in when we were renting. And so I feel like, I I know you. I know your wife. We've we've talked before.
Aaron
00:59:35 – 00:59:37
And so I gave him the pitch. I was like, hey, man.
Ian
00:59:38 – 00:59:39
Starting to meet up.
Aaron
00:59:39 – 00:59:48
Starting to meet up. I was like, here's the deal. Me and these two other dads twin dads are gonna go get beers on Friday. Can I get your number, and do you wanna come? And he's like, yeah.
Aaron
00:59:48 – 00:59:52
I would love that. So in a few days, three days,
Ian
00:59:52 – 00:59:52
four days
Aaron
00:59:52 – 01:00:03
from now, me and three other twin dads are gonna go to this restaurant and have a beer and just you know, we're gonna start the twin dads commiserations slash support group.
Ian
01:00:03 – 01:00:04
Dude, this is amazing.
Aaron
01:00:05 – 01:00:08
How about that? Right? Isn't that the wildest thing?
Ian
01:00:08 – 01:00:13
Incredibly on brand too. It's like you can just do things. You can just start a twin dad meetup, Brandon.
Aaron
01:00:13 – 01:00:14
Why not?
Ian
01:00:14 – 01:00:15
Accident. Like
Aaron
01:00:15 – 01:00:15
Yeah.
Ian
01:00:16 – 01:00:19
That's cool. So every all everybody can make it. All three of them are
Aaron
01:00:19 – 01:00:31
So I know that the original two can make it. Yeah. Then the other one, we've already got the date and time set, so we'll see if he can make it. But, hopefully, yeah, hopefully, there will be, you know, four of us. It's this little meetup.
Aaron
01:00:31 – 01:00:32
Ain't that cool?
Ian
01:00:32 – 01:00:33
Yeah. Where are you going?
Aaron
01:00:34 – 01:00:40
Just a little local it's called Shady's. Just a little local local burger spot where all the all the families go.
Ian
01:00:40 – 01:00:41
Nice.
Aaron
01:00:41 – 01:00:42
But, yeah, it'll be
Ian
01:00:42 – 01:00:46
You can't go to the family spot. You don't have the kids with you. Or do you have the kids with you?
Aaron
01:00:46 – 01:00:48
We won't. No. No. No. No.
Ian
01:00:48 – 01:00:49
That's post bedtime.
Aaron
01:00:49 – 01:00:51
Kids. Post bedtime. But it's one of
Ian
01:00:51 – 01:00:53
those like somewhere without without kids.
Aaron
01:00:53 – 01:00:59
Yeah. Maybe. It's one of those real casual spots where everybody everybody in the neighborhood goes.
Ian
01:00:59 – 01:01:00
It's not the big commitment
Aaron
01:01:01 – 01:01:01
Right.
Ian
01:01:01 – 01:01:04
Wise or whatever too. Yeah. Fancy restaurant or whatever.
Aaron
01:01:04 – 01:01:18
And you can kinda roll in, and there are tables out on, like, a covered patio. It's just like Okay. It's an easy it's an easy spot to go to, and it's very, very close to everybody. So, you know, you gotta start low pressure on a first date. You know, you gotta keep it yeah.
Aaron
01:01:18 – 01:01:22
You don't wanna go somewhere fancy and do the whole thing. It's just like
Ian
01:01:22 – 01:01:23
Oh, yeah.
Aaron
01:01:23 – 01:01:31
Come come when in whatever you're wearing, we're just going to Shady's. We'll have a beer. Maybe we'll have two. We'll see where the night goes, and then that's it. And that's that's a good start.
Ian
01:01:32 – 01:01:34
Wow. I love this idea. That's amazing.
Aaron
01:01:34 – 01:01:36
So if you're a twin dad in Dallas
Ian
01:01:36 – 01:01:37
There you go.
Aaron
01:01:37 – 01:01:46
Start going to the restaurants, and you might make it in to this little circle. I may see you somewhere and be like, hey. Those are twins, aren't they? Listen. Let me get your number.
Ian
01:01:46 – 01:01:50
Just bring your twins everywhere with you in case you happen to run across Aaron. That's
Aaron
01:01:50 – 01:01:51
exactly right.
Ian
01:01:51 – 01:01:56
Yeah. That is cool. I mean, now you have something to actually say to people too because it's like, I we have this
Aaron
01:01:56 – 01:02:04
group. Gotta have a place. Easy intro. Yeah. Somewhere to invite people to is a pretty it's a pretty big, like, necessity.
Aaron
01:02:04 – 01:02:21
If you're trying to if you're trying to start a thing, you need to have a standing like, you need to have the nugget. Right? You need to have the, hey. I'm doing this at this time at this place with these. Even if it's one other person, you should come, and then it's less it's less pressure for the new person.
Aaron
01:02:21 – 01:02:25
So, yeah, having having a a nucleus is pretty important.
Ian
01:02:26 – 01:02:31
Wow. Well, that's awesome, man. That's great. I think I've never done anything like that. I should do something like that.
Aaron
01:02:31 – 01:02:41
Yeah. It'll be fun. It's it's funny because it's, like, a very easy it's a very easy little community. Oh, you're a twin dad? I'm a twin dad.
Ian
01:02:41 – 01:02:42
Right.
Aaron
01:02:42 – 01:02:49
We'll start with that. Like, we've got stuff to talk about. That's fine. Like, we can just start there. And so that that's super helpful.
Ian
01:02:49 – 01:03:04
It is also very, like, inherently a small niche, but also a niche that people self identify with Mhmm. Strongly. So it's, like, got both those kinda angles where, like, yeah, it's like a logical thing. It's not like everybody's not included. Not everybody can do it.
Ian
01:03:04 – 01:03:14
Right? But also the people who do have this situation are all very much aware that they're in this situation and, I'm sure have similar war stories to
Aaron
01:03:14 – 01:03:21
Yeah. A little a little bit of, like, shared suffering to bind us. Like, oh, man. Oh, we gotta get a beer. You guys making it?
Aaron
01:03:21 – 01:03:25
Oh, man. Let's get together. Like, yeah. That's great. That's what we want.
Ian
01:03:25 – 01:03:32
Exactly. Oh, man. Just totally changed the subject. But the cab driver I had k? I'm getting in the cab to go home.
Ian
01:03:32 – 01:03:44
Cab driver gets out. They're doing messing with the bag. Like, the the cab stand guy and the cab driver are, like, having a quick chat. And one of them said the other one, what's the good word? I was like, woah.
Ian
01:03:44 – 01:03:50
You were ready. Yes. Ready. I was I was in the back. I couldn't even participate, but I heard it in the wild.
Ian
01:03:50 – 01:03:52
So I thought that was cool.
Aaron
01:03:52 – 01:03:59
What's the good word? A common expression amongst humans. Yes. I love that. Oh, boy.
Aaron
01:03:59 – 01:04:01
Did the guy respond with anything?
Ian
01:04:01 – 01:04:07
I think he did. I couldn't hear the response, unfortunately. But I love the responses. Yeah. I woulda liked to have the response.
Ian
01:04:07 – 01:04:07
But Ah,
Aaron
01:04:07 – 01:04:08
it's too bad.
Ian
01:04:08 – 01:04:15
Alright. So you gotta now you gotta do a website. You gotta do all you gotta take it too far. You gotta have all kinds of stuff for your four person meetup.
Aaron
01:04:15 – 01:04:20
No. This is this is underground only. This is if you know, you know. This is punk rock, baby. Well,
Ian
01:04:20 – 01:04:26
you have to report back Monday. We'll hear how you, meet out on your first date with the crew. That'll be I will.
Aaron
01:04:26 – 01:04:27
It's gonna be a lot of fun.
Ian
01:04:28 – 01:04:30
Alright, man. No. Do we have anything else we need to cover here?
Aaron
01:04:30 – 01:04:31
Nope. Not on my side.
Ian
01:04:31 – 01:04:38
Alright. I think we're good. Well, thank you, everybody. Check us out, mostlytechnical.com. Make sure you subscribe.
Ian
01:04:39 – 01:04:44
Follow us on all the social media thingies, and we will see you next week.
Aaron
01:04:44 – 01:04:45
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