Aaron Francis

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Aaron

00:00:00 – 00:00:02

Hello. Welcome back from Vegas.

Ian

00:00:02 – 00:00:03

Vegas, baby.

Aaron

00:00:04 – 00:00:12

I I see I see you're here, but I don't know what's kinda state you're in. So how are we doing? Give us give us the systems check. Are we are we okay? Are we alive?

Ian

00:00:13 – 00:00:17

We're alive. We're alive. Actually, everything was really good in Vegas. Felt great. Yeah.

Ian

00:00:17 – 00:00:33

Today, my belly's a little off, which is weird, so we're gonna persevere, though. Better here than Vegas. Vegas, just wanna be operating at full capacity, which I was. Had a nice steak. Haven't had any I don't know if I talked about this in the show, but I've been mostly eating pescatarian.

Ian

00:00:33 – 00:00:34

Have we talked about this?

Aaron

00:00:34 – 00:00:37

It's probably come up in the gall gallbladder discussions. So

Ian

00:00:38 – 00:00:47

Mostly eating that way, but, whatever. We're at this really nice steakhouse, and I was like, obviously, gotta have a steak. Had a steak. One of the best steaks I've ever had, I have to say. It was unbelievable.

Ian

00:00:48 – 00:00:54

Yeah. It was a fantastic steak. Poppy's steakhouse. If you've never been to Poppy's steakhouse, check it out. It's sort of a scene.

Ian

00:00:55 – 00:01:00

It's like, it's like a nightclub, but but instead of dance floor, there's, like, tables and

Aaron

00:01:00 – 00:01:04

Is that the one where they have the steak and the the briefcase? Yeah.

Ian

00:01:04 – 00:01:05

Yeah. You've been to Poppy's.

Aaron

00:01:05 – 00:01:06

I've been to Poppy's.

Ian

00:01:07 – 00:01:18

So, yes, Poppy's. But we didn't have the, briefcase steak. We were thinking about it, but Taylor wasn't with us. And so we were like, yeah, we'll just get the regular steaks. But I had a filet mignon that was it was unbelievable.

Ian

00:01:19 – 00:01:21

Unbelievable. It was fantastic.

Aaron

00:01:21 – 00:01:26

That's a good that's a good return from pescatarianism. That's a pretty high bar. I like that for

Ian

00:01:26 – 00:01:32

you. Fighting. Yeah. Sides were great. Had some truffled corn, which I don't even like truffle.

Ian

00:01:32 – 00:01:38

Truffled corn was fantastic. So, yeah, it was cool. Won poker, which was

Aaron

00:01:38 – 00:01:43

There we go. That's what I was looking for. Give us the numbeys. How'd we do?

Ian

00:01:43 – 00:01:46

We're up, like, eleven thousand, I think. Oh

Aaron

00:01:47 – 00:01:49

Yeah. My gosh. Are you kidding me?

Ian

00:01:49 – 00:01:53

And it should have been more like 14. But so it was, like,

Aaron

00:01:53 – 00:01:56

$11,000? Yeah.

Ian

00:01:57 – 00:01:57

It's nice.

Aaron

00:01:57 – 00:01:59

I gotta get into gambling.

Ian

00:01:59 – 00:02:01

I know. I keep trying to tell you. We gotta

Aaron

00:02:01 – 00:02:03

get to get to the point where they're

Ian

00:02:03 – 00:02:08

they're out there trying to give you their money. You don't have to all this hard work you're doing, you're making money

Aaron

00:02:08 – 00:02:09

for a lot of them.

Ian

00:02:09 – 00:02:12

I don't know what you're doing. You could be out there just gambling and living it up.

Aaron

00:02:12 – 00:02:15

Such an idiot. Okay. How did you win $11,000?

Ian

00:02:16 – 00:02:23

Being good at poker. Wow. Yeah. Mostly played Pot Limit Omaha for the people know. Did a little bit of no limit.

Ian

00:02:24 – 00:02:37

Did a little bit of I don't even know if I could explain this whole thing. I'm just gonna say it for the people who know. I don't know if you wanna go through the whole thing, but Pot Limit Omaha, high low double board bomb pot was this game I played.

Aaron

00:02:37 – 00:02:44

No. This is an hour episode. We don't have time to get into that. So I wonder what's going on with that. Modifiers.

Aaron

00:02:44 – 00:02:47

Yeah. Hot limit, high low double bowl. What?

Ian

00:02:47 – 00:02:48

Double board.

Aaron

00:02:49 – 00:02:53

Yeah. Same thing. Yeah. Bomb pot. Now that sounds fun for you.

Ian

00:02:53 – 00:02:59

And you you there's no preflop action, so it's a bomb pot. So everybody at the table's in the pot. Anyway,

Aaron

00:03:00 – 00:03:05

that's the I feel like the longer the name of the game, the more the odds are that you're gonna lose all your money quickly.

Ian

00:03:05 – 00:03:06

That's right. Yeah.

Aaron

00:03:06 – 00:03:14

It's like, oh, you can you can bet on 16 different actions, and you're like, what if I lose them all at once? Wow. You know, that sucks. That's too bad.

Ian

00:03:14 – 00:03:27

Wait. I don't think that's the game you should start in. I think we have to start you, a little simpler. Yeah. So I had the full range of emotion, though, because I was overall playing amazing, which is the you know, since I got sick and everything, it's the longest I've played.

Ian

00:03:27 – 00:03:53

Like, I haven't had, like, a, you know, I've gone for, like, a night and played. I haven't been, you know, away and played three or four days. Oh, no. And Vegas actually tends to be somewhat tougher competition than, like, your local card house because people are going there to play poker, and they're even if they're not professionals, they're people who are into it, so they might know a little bit more. So, yeah.

Ian

00:03:53 – 00:04:03

So played really well. Super happy with my play. Had one terrible call. So I was at this hard, five, ten, no limit game. So just regular no limit hold them.

Ian

00:04:03 – 00:04:17

It was it's eight handed, so eight people. And there's, like, seven of us who all know what's going on. Right? So I'd say there's probably, like, three professional players, and the other four of us are, like, strong recreational players. And then there's one guy.

Aaron

00:04:17 – 00:04:18

Chaos agent.

Ian

00:04:18 – 00:04:27

Yeah. He's the chaos agent. He's kinda got the, like, Russian oligarch little thing going on. He's just dumping money into the game. So everybody's just trying to get this guy.

Ian

00:04:27 – 00:04:40

They're just trying to get in pots with him and, like because he's playing every hand. And I hit trips against this guy. He made a huge fan of the flop. I called, which I should've just went all in right there, but I just called. And then a flush card comes out of turn.

Ian

00:04:40 – 00:04:55

He bets big. The the floor was talking me. The guy runs the floor because I was supposed to move to the PLO game, and so I was kinda distracted. And so I just called it when I should have just folded, and, of course, he has a flush. I still had outs, but I didn't get there.

Ian

00:04:55 – 00:04:59

So I lost a big pot to him, which is why it should have been 14,000.

Aaron

00:04:59 – 00:05:09

But You lost a big pot to the guy who didn't know what he was doing. So Ian, what I know. What's going on? So, dude, I You're talking a big game, and then the Russian oligarch is beating you.

Ian

00:05:09 – 00:05:24

This is what I'm saying. I was telling the guys in Vegas. I was like, this is literally, like, the closest I've ever been to crying over a poker hand. Like, I was, like, so mad at myself, and it was, like, this whole multiple levels. I'm just personally mad at myself because I know better.

Ian

00:05:24 – 00:05:35

I know what this guy is doing. I know I literally know if anybody gave me this hand history, I would tell them, of course, you have to fold there. It doesn't matter. You have trips. This guy's never bluffing here.

Ian

00:05:35 – 00:05:45

But then there was this whole other level because it's like we all the seven people who are good players, we were all in the know. So there was, like, a professional embarrassment on my part. Yeah.

Aaron

00:05:45 – 00:05:47

I felt like your face there anymore.

Ian

00:05:47 – 00:05:51

Yeah. So it was like, everybody's, like, looking at me. You know? They're like, woah. He made that call.

Aaron

00:05:51 – 00:05:59

You kinda had this camaraderie going. I'm like, we're the smart guys. Yes. And then you went and you're like, actually, I'm a dumb guy. Oh, no.

Ian

00:05:59 – 00:06:07

I'm dumber than the oligarch guy. Like No. People thought I was playing well and knew what I was doing. No. I'm just a big freaking idiot.

Aaron

00:06:07 – 00:06:13

So embarrassing. You bring shame to the show, Ian. Seriously Hopefully, you didn't give him stickers.

Ian

00:06:14 – 00:06:16

I did have stickers with me, but I didn't give him money. No.

Aaron

00:06:16 – 00:06:20

Good. I don't want those people be I don't wanna be associated with you in those people's minds. You know?

Ian

00:06:20 – 00:06:33

But seriously, I was. I was actually embarrassed, and, I was so mad. But you know what? I was very happy with myself because so like I said, the floor was telling me I have to go to the other table. So right after that hand, I went to the other table, and I was just infuriated.

Ian

00:06:33 – 00:06:34

Right?

Aaron

00:06:34 – 00:06:38

Oh, man. So you you embarrassed yourself, and then you walked away.

Ian

00:06:38 – 00:06:41

But that part was good. I was glad to get out of there. I was like, I'm

Aaron

00:06:41 – 00:06:42

so embarrassed.

Ian

00:06:42 – 00:06:49

I know. I wanted to try to stay and get the money back. But you know what? It probably would have been bad anyway because then you're playing stupidly and whatever. So They call that being

Aaron

00:06:49 – 00:06:51

on tilt just so you know.

Ian

00:06:51 – 00:07:01

Yeah. Exactly. I was on mega super tilt. And I played, like, two hands at the other table, and I was like, you know what? I'm just gonna get up.

Ian

00:07:01 – 00:07:09

I'm tired. I'm super ultra tilted. I'm just gonna go up to my bedroom and go to bed. And that's what I did,

Aaron

00:07:09 – 00:07:09

which I

Ian

00:07:09 – 00:07:15

for you. Do that. So I was very proud of myself. That was all part of my playing good other than the one bad decisions. Yes.

Ian

00:07:15 – 00:07:28

Poker went very well. Yeah. And the PLO games are pretty tough. There was, like, these two European professionals who were just, like, living at the hotel, like, playing the game, like, grinding it and crushing it. Every day, they have, like, you know, $10 in front of them.

Ian

00:07:29 – 00:07:38

So navigating those guys, couple other strong players. So so it went good. I guess it's awesome. Love Vegas. Flew the mint there and back.

Ian

00:07:38 – 00:07:40

I don't know if you ever flown mint, but it's like the

Aaron

00:07:40 – 00:07:41

Don't know what that is.

Ian

00:07:41 – 00:07:43

JetBlue first class kinda thing. We have your

Aaron

00:07:43 – 00:07:46

Oh, wow. It's great. That's awesome.

Ian

00:07:47 – 00:07:49

Line flat. Good stuff. Did you

Aaron

00:07:49 – 00:07:51

do any of the WWE stuff?

Ian

00:07:51 – 00:07:53

Oh, yeah. So we went to, WrestleMania. Yes.

Aaron

00:07:53 – 00:07:55

Okay. So you went to that.

Ian

00:07:55 – 00:07:58

Yeah. Yeah. That's the other thing. Secondary to poker. But, that

Aaron

00:07:58 – 00:08:03

was kinda, like, the purpose of the whole trip for for some people. Not clearly, not for you.

Ian

00:08:03 – 00:08:18

Possibly the purpose. Yeah. So that's actually what was there because, Adam Wathan invited me out. They were going to WrestleMania, him and Taylor and the guys from vehicle. And, so I went out there, went earlier than all of them, played poker.

Ian

00:08:19 – 00:08:31

There was I've the the very beginning, I wasn't necessarily gonna go to WrestleMania because it wasn't a ticket. And Taylor had to go home early, so he went to the first day. WrestleMania is two days. Why the hell is WrestleMania two days? It's insanity.

Ian

00:08:31 – 00:08:41

So, anyway, Taylor went to the first day. I went to the second day. I haven't watched wrestling in thirty years, but it was cool. It was cool. It was a interesting vibe.

Ian

00:08:41 – 00:08:41

You know?

Aaron

00:08:41 – 00:08:44

Is it all still pretend? It's all it's all play acting.

Ian

00:08:44 – 00:08:45

So this was very interesting.

Aaron

00:08:45 – 00:08:46

Because that definitely involved

Ian

00:08:47 – 00:08:47

to me.

Aaron

00:08:47 – 00:08:49

To me. No sense whatsoever.

Ian

00:08:50 – 00:09:08

When it's just all scripted, but no sense. I've sort of it was interesting being there because I think I understood more of that now because it's just like it's just a different form of if you like movies or if you like novels or if you like any fictional work. Right? This is just a different form of fiction. That's another presentation of it.

Ian

00:09:08 – 00:09:17

So it's like Okay. Everybody knows it's fictional and but you're just there for the storyline, which is why there was a huge drama because, like, apparently, The Rock, who you all know who The Rock is.

Aaron

00:09:17 – 00:09:19

Right? Like that From Fast and Furious. Yeah.

Ian

00:09:19 – 00:09:25

Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So The Rock has been you know, he owns part of it now or whatever. Of course,

Aaron

00:09:25 – 00:09:26

he does. He owns everything.

Ian

00:09:26 – 00:09:41

Right. And he was supposed to be there. They wouldn't they didn't advertise him being there, but he was in part of the the storyline leading up to all this of a big of the main event that was happening. And then The Rock didn't show up, so everybody was disappointed. I bet.

Ian

00:09:41 – 00:10:00

People were very upset. So it was kinda weird to take a big l on this, I think, because people were expecting The Rock, and he was, like, a key part of the storyline, and he didn't show up. And so everybody was everyone perturbed, I would say. So big l for the WrestleMania for people who are in the know, but I was not in the know. I was just letting it wash over me.

Ian

00:10:00 – 00:10:12

It was great. Yeah. All scripted. But you know what's very interesting about it is it's even faker in real life. Like, these like, you can just really tell, like, they're not hitting each other, like because there's not even, like, the camera angle to, like, you're

Aaron

00:10:12 – 00:10:13

we were,

Ian

00:10:13 – 00:10:22

like, the reverse of the the main cameras. We're were on the other side. So it's like, you know, just like you could just see they're totally missing. You're, like, barely hitting them. But Makes

Aaron

00:10:22 – 00:10:23

no sense to me.

Ian

00:10:23 – 00:10:52

The interesting part was, while that part was even worse than on TV, the physicality was actually better. I was like, holy cow. These they are very impressive, the physical things they're doing. Like, I was more impressed than when I've seen it on TV, because it's just amazing to see a human, like, do a back flip through the air and, like, land on somebody and, like, all they manage to not get hurt while doing all these things. So, like, that part is actually more impressive in person.

Aaron

00:10:52 – 00:10:56

Okay. So it's it's all scripted. So we can't call it a sport. We can't call it a competition.

Ian

00:10:56 – 00:10:58

It's sports entertainment. That's what they call it.

Aaron

00:10:58 – 00:11:03

So is this most closely, like, ballet for men? Is that what we would call it?

Ian

00:11:03 – 00:11:05

Oh, yeah. I think that's probably, like, a good way to think about it.

Aaron

00:11:06 – 00:11:14

It's just it's just a nice a nice, presentation of physicality, and it Right. It's just there's no there's bra. Right? Yeah.

Ian

00:11:14 – 00:11:19

Story line. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's, like, that's exactly what it is.

Aaron

00:11:19 – 00:11:25

Because even even competitive ice skating is scored and is, like, is the actual competition.

Ian

00:11:26 – 00:11:27

A competition. Yeah.

Aaron

00:11:27 – 00:11:32

So we can't even do like, this isn't scored. This is just play acting.

Ian

00:11:32 – 00:11:32

It's literally

Aaron

00:11:32 – 00:11:36

So it's either theater or ballet, but for guys.

Ian

00:11:37 – 00:11:38

Yeah. Yeah. Man, you

Aaron

00:11:38 – 00:11:38

can't That's awesome.

Ian

00:11:38 – 00:11:40

Hell, yeah. Yeah.

Aaron

00:11:40 – 00:11:41

You can't drink beer at ballet.

Ian

00:11:42 – 00:11:42

No. So

Aaron

00:11:43 – 00:11:45

At least they don't want you to, I guess.

Ian

00:11:45 – 00:11:52

Yeah. It was cool. It was cool. It was a good vibe overall. People were nice, and, oh, jeez.

Ian

00:11:52 – 00:11:56

What else? Yeah. Yeah. WrestleMania was good. Oh, I love doing stuff like this.

Ian

00:11:56 – 00:12:08

I love stuff like this. We're leaving WrestleMania, and, the the guys were like, let's go get a taxi. I was like, we're never gonna be able to get a taxi. There's, like, 70,000 people walking out this building. There's not gonna be any taxi.

Ian

00:12:08 – 00:12:12

But whatever. We go to the taxi place. We could've walked back to the hotel. It took a mile and a half.

Aaron

00:12:12 – 00:12:14

But What is this? Europe? I'm not walking.

Ian

00:12:14 – 00:12:22

Exactly. I was with proper Americans. They're like, well, it's fine taxi. Yeah. So no taxis, of course, because there's 70,000 people all looking for a taxi.

Ian

00:12:22 – 00:12:26

But there's a bunch of guys there with, like, private party bus van things.

Aaron

00:12:26 – 00:12:27

Here we go.

Ian

00:12:28 – 00:12:36

And I was like, that's what we're doing. Right? So, like, dude, how much for your party bus? It's like a hundred and $50 to go a mile. I was like, you are sold.

Ian

00:12:36 – 00:12:44

So we got in the party bus. We we had drinks in there. We had some drinks. We had eighties rock band music playing. It was great.

Ian

00:12:44 – 00:12:48

So we had no idea what happened. And we made it out instantly. It was like, boom. We were back.

Aaron

00:12:49 – 00:12:52

And it was great. That's pretty great. That's pretty great. Good for you.

Ian

00:12:52 – 00:12:54

Love when money solves problems like that.

Aaron

00:12:54 – 00:13:01

That those are the best kind of problems because there are a lot of problems that money can't touch, and those, boy, those will get you down.

Ian

00:13:01 – 00:13:14

Yes. And that's the thing is, that was funny that, it kinda came up in the conversation. And when I paid for this, like, talking to Adam about this, he's like, the poker money is amazing because it's just like this slush fund of, like It's

Aaron

00:13:14 – 00:13:15

unaccounted for. Yeah.

Ian

00:13:15 – 00:13:22

That's unaccounted for. Right? Like, if I put this hundred and $50 on a credit card that I knew I was gonna have to pay off Yep. Later in the month. Right?

Ian

00:13:22 – 00:13:30

It's gonna come out of our bank account. It's gonna be annoying. You know? I'm gonna be like, oh, man. I've hit a hundred $50 to, like, ride a mile.

Ian

00:13:30 – 00:13:36

Like, it's ridiculous. Right? But if it just, like, comes out of the poker winning, it's like, yeah. This is what this is for. This is, like, fun money.

Ian

00:13:36 – 00:13:37

Whatever. So

Aaron

00:13:37 – 00:13:48

Yeah. What are the odds that this is the first time Jamie's hearing about the $11,000 profit? Is is that does she know about it yet, or is this okay. Alright. I didn't know how fun the fun money is.

Ian

00:13:48 – 00:14:00

She's okay with it being the slush fun. But that's the thing. I mean, it's like, if I was a professional poker player, you can't treat it that way, obviously, but this is a little bit. So I use it as, like, yeah, it's a little bit of a slush fund for other stuff. Don't worry.

Ian

00:14:00 – 00:14:18

Jamie uses it as a slush fund too. A large part of the poker bankroll has gone off into random people at the house who need cash for things and all that stuff. So whatever. It's, like, a reason you end up with some money around the house, although I do deposit kinda the bulk of it just to not have too much money sitting around the house. But, yeah.

Ian

00:14:18 – 00:14:22

But so while you're out with it, you just want it. There you go.

Aaron

00:14:22 – 00:14:35

Poppy state. It's not it's not, like, solidified. It's not locked in until you get on the plane out of Vegas. Right. And then when you get on the plane out of Vegas and you're like, I have $11,000, you don't care that you don't have $11,150.

Ian

00:14:35 – 00:14:36

Exactly. You're like,

Aaron

00:14:36 – 00:14:39

I came out at eleven k. I'm a genius. I'm still up, baby.

Ian

00:14:39 – 00:14:42

That's all that matters. I get it. No. I totally

Aaron

00:14:42 – 00:14:48

get it. That's why they also that's why they give you chips because they want you to think like that while you're in the casino.

Ian

00:14:48 – 00:14:48

Oh, they

Aaron

00:14:48 – 00:14:50

It's a chip. Yeah.

Ian

00:14:50 – 00:14:54

Yes. Oh, and that a % why they do that, and it works fantastically.

Aaron

00:14:54 – 00:14:55

It works fantastic.

Ian

00:14:55 – 00:14:56

Here's chips. Sure.

Aaron

00:14:56 – 00:15:01

Oh, Diet Coke? $25? Yeah. Here's one chip. That makes sense to me.

Ian

00:15:01 – 00:15:09

Yep. Yep. Oh, you're pushing in a thousand dollars into a pot? Oh, that's not this is just these 10 chips. That's not, like, money there.

Ian

00:15:09 – 00:15:10

But yeah.

Aaron

00:15:10 – 00:15:12

We gotta start a casino. What a racket.

Ian

00:15:12 – 00:15:14

I even won money playing roulette. It was quite a

Aaron

00:15:15 – 00:15:19

Oh, Ian. That's that's degenerate stuff, man. You can't be playing roulette.

Ian

00:15:19 – 00:15:30

I know. Well, here's the thing. You like to keep the I like to get the comps and the free rooms. So you gotta give the casino, like, a little a little love back. Like, they want you to play the games they know you're gonna lose at.

Ian

00:15:30 – 00:15:38

So that kind of balanced that out. They don't give you much credit for playing poker. They don't they're not gonna give you many free rooms just because you play poker. So I love roulette. I like roulette because it's the opposite of poker.

Ian

00:15:38 – 00:15:41

No thinking, pick a number, spin the wheel. Chance.

Aaron

00:15:42 – 00:15:43

Odds are stacked against you.

Ian

00:15:43 – 00:15:51

Literally nothing to think about. Like, there's just like, I like the number 24. Great. Let's put $10 on it. That's that.

Ian

00:15:51 – 00:16:06

But, yeah, Vegas is great. I love Vegas. Yeah. They did have I didn't so this is the thing I did think about, but I didn't at Poppy Steak, they had a $1,000 Scotch of the Macallan, which is the only Scotch I generally drink. Thirty year Macallan.

Aaron

00:16:07 – 00:16:09

One glass for a thousand dollars?

Ian

00:16:10 – 00:16:16

For $1,000. I was tempted, but I didn't pull the trigger on that one. That was a lot. Gosh. No way.

Ian

00:16:17 – 00:16:21

That was a little too much for the slush fund. I was like, that might be going too far.

Aaron

00:16:21 – 00:16:27

Also, Scotch. Imagine paying a thousand dollars and then drinking a charred campfire. Like, that sounds awful.

Ian

00:16:27 – 00:16:32

No. That's why I gotta have the Macallan. Have you had the Macallan? No. Okay.

Ian

00:16:32 – 00:16:34

Next time we're together, we're gonna have the Macallan at Okay.

Aaron

00:16:34 – 00:16:37

Next time you're up $11,000, I'll let you buy me some Macallan.

Ian

00:16:37 – 00:16:39

In Denver, we're gonna have the Macallan.

Aaron

00:16:39 – 00:16:40

There we go.

Ian

00:16:40 – 00:16:43

It tastes like Christmas morning. It tastes like a summer

Aaron

00:16:43 – 00:16:46

All those peaty scotches taste like a campfire to me.

Ian

00:16:46 – 00:16:51

That's what I'm I agree. I don't like those. McAllen is totally different. You're gonna love the McAllen.

Aaron

00:16:51 – 00:16:53

Alright. I'll be open minded to that.

Ian

00:16:53 – 00:17:03

Yeah. I thought about extending Denver by a day. There is some poker in Denver. It's up in the mountains, but we go on vacation right after. I don't wanna go early for a couple reasons.

Ian

00:17:04 – 00:17:05

Probably not happening. But

Aaron

00:17:06 – 00:17:11

yeah. But but you know what probably is happening? Uh-oh. The mostly technical day zero party.

Ian

00:17:12 – 00:17:12

What?

Aaron

00:17:12 – 00:17:15

That's mostly definitely happening.

Ian

00:17:15 – 00:17:17

When did this happen? Are you sure?

Aaron

00:17:17 – 00:17:18

I'm mostly definitely sure.

Ian

00:17:18 – 00:17:20

Mostly sure. Well,

Aaron

00:17:20 – 00:17:24

I'm not I'm not gonna give out any details yet because I don't have any.

Ian

00:17:24 – 00:17:26

Yeah. We're working on stuff.

Aaron

00:17:26 – 00:17:31

But we're working on it. And I think I think that it's we've passed the more likely than not threshold.

Ian

00:17:31 – 00:17:31

I think so.

Aaron

00:17:31 – 00:17:37

I think we're well well past that threshold. We're well into, like, the 75, 80 percent it's gonna happen threshold.

Ian

00:17:38 – 00:17:42

I feel like that's correct. So We are gonna be having a party.

Aaron

00:17:42 – 00:17:53

We are gonna be having a mostly technical party night zero is, I think, the the plan. So y'all y'all get in town get in town in time to come to the mostly technical party.

Ian

00:17:53 – 00:17:57

Which I like that it's the night before because I feel like almost everybody should be there.

Aaron

00:17:57 – 00:17:58

You know? I agree. Yep.

Ian

00:17:59 – 00:18:08

You know, most people aren't coming in the morning of the conference. So, hopefully, everybody's there. Try not to come in late. I guess that's the main thing. Like, don't come in at eleven being like, oh, there's nothing going on.

Ian

00:18:08 – 00:18:09

There's stuff going on.

Aaron

00:18:09 – 00:18:10

There's stuff going on, baby.

Ian

00:18:11 – 00:18:21

Come on in. We're We're gonna have a party. It's probably gonna be ticketed, so we'll let you know about that. But you can get a ticket because it's gonna be in a space that's, you know, only holds so many people. But it's a good number of people.

Aaron

00:18:21 – 00:18:24

Gonna be free to the end user, but ticketed nonetheless.

Ian

00:18:24 – 00:18:28

Yes. Free. That's what we're thinking anyway. I think think free.

Aaron

00:18:28 – 00:18:29

Probably.

Ian

00:18:29 – 00:18:32

Probably. Unless you all wanna pay us money. Maybe we can have a tip jar.

Aaron

00:18:32 – 00:18:38

Ah, I love a tip jar. Yeah. They walk in. We turn around the iPad. We say, how much do you wanna tip to be here?

Aaron

00:18:38 – 00:18:42

We haven't done anything, but how much do you wanna tip? That's perfect. I love that.

Ian

00:18:42 – 00:18:56

Shout out to the, Laravel Inc crew and Hank over there and Samantha. Yep. Her name, Samantha. Because because they've been helping us kinda put it together, and, yeah, I think it's gonna be cool. I'm pretty excited about it.

Aaron

00:18:56 – 00:19:01

And by helping us put it together, you mean mostly doing all the work. Doing all

Ian

00:19:01 – 00:19:01

the work.

Aaron

00:19:02 – 00:19:05

So just just so, you know, we're we're clear. Yeah.

Ian

00:19:05 – 00:19:06

We're the talent.

Aaron

00:19:06 – 00:19:12

That's right. That's right. You think Matthew McConaughey plans his own parties? Come on. We're McConaughey, baby.

Ian

00:19:13 – 00:19:17

Back there, be like, here's what's gonna the curtain and this thing and getting the lighting people. No.

Aaron

00:19:18 – 00:19:23

I don't know. I've heard he's pretty meticulous. But yeah. Yeah. We're definitely not doing that.

Aaron

00:19:23 – 00:19:24

That's for sure.

Ian

00:19:24 – 00:19:27

No. We need help. We need helpers. We can't do this on our own.

Aaron

00:19:27 – 00:19:28

We need so much help.

Ian

00:19:29 – 00:19:36

No. It's gonna be fun. We're gonna have a party. People are gonna hang out. I don't know if we're gonna I think right now, I think we're not really doing anything.

Ian

00:19:36 – 00:19:38

We're just, like, just gonna be a gathering.

Aaron

00:19:38 – 00:19:40

Just gonna be a gathering. Just a welcome party.

Ian

00:19:40 – 00:19:44

Yeah. We thought about recording, but, adds a lot of

Aaron

00:19:44 – 00:19:57

Adds a lot, and I don't know. Then it's, like, thirty to thirty minutes to an hour of people sitting around listening to us. And what if it's not, you know, what if it's not funny, which it obviously would be. But It'd be funny. Come on.

Aaron

00:19:57 – 00:20:03

Hey. Come on. I don't know. It just you know, I'd rather I'd rather be amongst the people. You know?

Aaron

00:20:03 – 00:20:03

Yeah.

Ian

00:20:03 – 00:20:10

Yeah. I think so. Plus, you're emceeing Right. The event. So it's like, that's a whole you're busy to begin with and all that.

Ian

00:20:10 – 00:20:22

So, yeah, I think we'll start this year's gathering. Maybe we'll we'll layer on more stuff in the future. But, yeah, that's gonna be exciting. I'm very excited about that. The day zero party.

Ian

00:20:22 – 00:20:25

So so get your Laracon tickets.

Aaron

00:20:25 – 00:20:28

Get your Laracon tickets. Yeah. Yeah.

Ian

00:20:28 – 00:20:31

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Aaron

00:20:31 – 00:20:50

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Aaron

00:20:50 – 00:21:08

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Aaron

00:21:09 – 00:21:17

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Ian

00:21:17 – 00:21:20

Very cool. So you were traveling this week too?

Aaron

00:21:20 – 00:21:28

I was traveling. I was traveling. Just a podcast about town. I too saw Taylor. So Taylor had a big Taylor had a big weekend.

Aaron

00:21:28 – 00:21:33

Got to see both halves of mostly technical. Lucky Taylor. Lucky him.

Ian

00:21:33 – 00:21:33

Oh, lucky god.

Aaron

00:21:33 – 00:21:40

Everyone should be so lucky. Yes. So I went to React Miami this past week.

Ian

00:21:40 – 00:21:40

Yes.

Aaron

00:21:41 – 00:22:15

And it was very different. First of all, it was a lot of fun, and I think that is one of the main things that they're optimizing for is a lot of fun. It was like it felt like spring break for developers. I mean, people were just cutting loose, man. So, yeah, I went as, stand in cohost for a podcast called Whiskey Web and Whatnot, which is very fun.

Aaron

00:22:15 – 00:22:26

They, you know, they drink whiskey and talk about the Internet. It's like, yeah. I could get behind that. So I went to help hold down the booth. So I had a few responsibilities, but not not too many.

Aaron

00:22:26 – 00:22:35

I think we did three interviews on one day and then maybe just one the next day. So I wasn't terribly busy, which was nice. But, yeah, they

Ian

00:22:36 – 00:22:38

they were interviews. I didn't think you were interviewing. I thought you were

Aaron

00:22:38 – 00:22:38

Oh, yeah.

Ian

00:22:39 – 00:22:41

Shooting shooting shit, but you were interviewing people.

Aaron

00:22:41 – 00:22:50

I mean, that is kind is is kinda, hey. How's your father? But it is an interview. So, yeah, very casual, though. Day zero, went to the party at Dax's house.

Ian

00:22:51 – 00:22:52

Dax's house.

Aaron

00:22:52 – 00:23:04

Dax's house. Saw a lot of lot of friends there. Saw the whole, the whole terminal crew, all the coffee boys, then, you know, bunch of Cloudflare folks. I sent them your best. I said, my cohost, Ian folks.

Aaron

00:23:04 – 00:23:06

Says thank you for the stock appreciation.

Ian

00:23:07 – 00:23:08

I I didn't know.

Aaron

00:23:08 – 00:23:15

And then I told him to get back to work. I just got I got a shareholder who's who's pinging me, and he's like, y'all gotta quit partying. Yeah.

Ian

00:23:15 – 00:23:17

Yeah. They just gotta get back to work. What the hell is going on?

Aaron

00:23:17 – 00:23:28

So that was fun. Lot of lot of CloudFlare people there, which they're all all I don't I can't speak for all of them, but all the ones I met were wonderful. Just absolutely a delight.

Ian

00:23:28 – 00:23:31

So only hires wonderful people.

Aaron

00:23:31 – 00:23:36

Apparently. Or at least he only sends the wonderful ones to conferences because all the ones I met were wonderful.

Ian

00:23:36 – 00:23:38

Dax is a big CloudFlare guy also.

Aaron

00:23:38 – 00:23:39

He is. Big CloudFlare guy.

Ian

00:23:40 – 00:23:41

Part of the thing.

Aaron

00:23:41 – 00:23:53

One funny one funny, situation I found myself in was I was talking to a woman that works at CloudFlare, And I was like, oh, hey. What do you do? Oh, cool. I know this guy that works at Cloudflare. I follow him.

Aaron

00:23:53 – 00:24:05

I don't know him personally, but I follow him. And he's super cool, and I really like him. Do you work with him at all? And she kinda smiled, and I was like, uh-oh. Did I, like, you know, did I step in it?

Aaron

00:24:05 – 00:24:12

Like, what's going on here? She smiled and kinda laughed, and she said, yeah. I know him. That's actually my husband. I'm married to him.

Aaron

00:24:12 – 00:24:24

And I was like, oh. Crazy. That's crazy. Different last names, obviously, I didn't know. But, like, talk about the ultimate, happy, like, like, opposite of stepping in it was Yeah.

Aaron

00:24:24 – 00:24:28

Hey. I know this guy on the Internet. I love him. He's awesome. Do you know him?

Aaron

00:24:28 – 00:24:32

And she says, know him. I'm married to him. I was like, that's crazy.

Ian

00:24:32 – 00:24:33

Than you do.

Aaron

00:24:33 – 00:24:41

Yeah. I know. I was like, you're so lucky. So that was fun. And then lots of, neon people, the database.

Aaron

00:24:41 – 00:24:52

Lots of neon people there. They sent their best and brightest. Very fun. Yeah. I saw Guillermo Rausch at Dax's party, and Guillermo and Dax took a picture together.

Aaron

00:24:52 – 00:24:58

And I'm like, I thought you guys were mortal enemies. Like, is this just all is this all a facade? Is this all for 10?

Ian

00:24:58 – 00:24:59

Yeah. So they

Aaron

00:24:59 – 00:25:06

took this picture. You know, Guillermo came bearing gifts. And he Oh. Yeah. He rolled in this large wooden horse and was like, don't look inside of it.

Aaron

00:25:06 – 00:25:17

It's fine. I'm just kidding. He came bearing a, like, it was like this really fancy, like, chocolate dessert, walked in, and was like, hey. I brought a, you know, a gift. It's like, what a classy guy.

Aaron

00:25:17 – 00:25:19

So, yeah, that was very confusing.

Ian

00:25:20 – 00:25:20

Look at that.

Aaron

00:25:20 – 00:25:27

That was very confusing to me. The they're like buds. I thought they were I really thought they were enemies. Yeah. Who knows?

Aaron

00:25:27 – 00:25:30

Maybe everything on the Internet is not as sincere as I thought it was.

Ian

00:25:31 – 00:25:31

For sure.

Aaron

00:25:31 – 00:25:33

And then shocking

Ian

00:25:33 – 00:25:41

at different levels. You know, I mean, Guillermo is, like, running this giant company. Doc's, like, in a start up. So, yeah, you don't have to be mortal enemies, like Yeah. In that regard.

Aaron

00:25:41 – 00:25:48

I think I think Guillermo and Matthew Prince maybe are actually mortal enemies, and maybe Guillermo and Dax are just hamming it up for the people. Who can say?

Ian

00:25:48 – 00:25:50

I think that could be. Yeah.

Aaron

00:25:51 – 00:25:55

And then Dax's dog bit somebody. Yikes. Yeah.

Ian

00:25:55 – 00:25:56

That's crazy.

Aaron

00:25:56 – 00:26:06

Very bad. And, apparently, Dax's dog bit somebody last year. What? Yes. He bit apparently apparently, this dog bit Sam Selikhov last year

Ian

00:26:06 – 00:26:06

Oh my god.

Aaron

00:26:06 – 00:26:19

And, like, drew blood. Yes. And this year, it bit, Taylor Dessen, not Taylor well, Taylor Dessen, the recruiter guy, bit him on the butt, ripped his pants, drew blood, and Taylor had to go to the urgent care. I

Ian

00:26:19 – 00:26:21

mean, that's a real bite. If it if it's

Aaron

00:26:21 – 00:26:24

That's a real bite from a Doberman. Yes.

Ian

00:26:24 – 00:26:26

That's like a real bite.

Aaron

00:26:26 – 00:26:32

And I'm like, what the hell is this dog doing out here if it bit somebody last year? Oh, boy. I know.

Ian

00:26:32 – 00:26:34

How does OSHA hear about Dax's house? Jeez.

Aaron

00:26:34 – 00:26:36

No kidding. So that was feels

Ian

00:26:36 – 00:26:37

on brand, to be honest.

Aaron

00:26:37 – 00:26:39

It is kinda on brand. Yeah. No.

Ian

00:26:39 – 00:26:41

He's got the dog's gotta bite somebody next year now too. You know?

Aaron

00:26:41 – 00:26:42

I know. It's thing now.

Ian

00:26:43 – 00:26:48

Not great. And Kinda like this. Like, there's a little it's a little, like, little danger in going

Aaron

00:26:48 – 00:26:52

A little danger coming to the party. Yeah. Hey. Come over. Have a drink.

Aaron

00:26:52 – 00:26:53

I don't know what'll happen.

Ian

00:26:53 – 00:26:57

I think it's great. I think you shouldn't be going to Dax's being like, oh, this is a safe space.

Aaron

00:26:57 – 00:26:58

This is a safe space.

Ian

00:26:59 – 00:27:01

You wanna be on edge at Dax's, though.

Aaron

00:27:01 – 00:27:04

If you're in Dax's, you gotta have eyes in the back of your head.

Ian

00:27:04 – 00:27:07

Exactly. Like, you wanna know what's going on, who's around you.

Aaron

00:27:07 – 00:27:10

Gonna get made fun of? Is the dog gonna bite me? What's going on? Can happen.

Ian

00:27:11 – 00:27:12

Somebody's gonna put a bag over

Aaron

00:27:12 – 00:27:14

my head. Anything's possible Exactly.

Ian

00:27:15 – 00:27:15

To this house.

Aaron

00:27:16 – 00:27:17

So that was kinda wild.

Ian

00:27:18 – 00:27:22

Probably the dog you know, it's a lot of people. Probably not used to that. You know?

Aaron

00:27:22 – 00:27:28

Yeah. You know? Fool me once. Put the dog in the backyard or, like, in the, you know, in the closet or something.

Ian

00:27:28 – 00:27:29

Yeah. Live dangerously.

Aaron

00:27:29 – 00:27:33

No. Not when you're hosting a party. So I

Ian

00:27:33 – 00:27:36

heard it was wild. I heard there was, like, Ken Ken Wheeler was in mare form and

Aaron

00:27:36 – 00:27:37

But, man.

Ian

00:27:37 – 00:27:39

Be a little sleepy at on the panel. Sounded like

Aaron

00:27:39 – 00:27:48

Ken Wheeler fell asleep. He's the MC. So we'll jump we'll we'll jump ahead a little bit. That was day zero. We'll jump ahead to the panel.

Aaron

00:27:48 – 00:27:50

So we got this panel with Guillermo Rausch

Ian

00:27:50 – 00:27:51

Right.

Aaron

00:27:51 – 00:27:56

Taylor Otwell. Yep. And then these two guys I've never heard of, but, apparently, they created React. Yeah.

Ian

00:27:56 – 00:27:58

Who asked? About them.

Aaron

00:27:58 – 00:28:13

Rando to me, but everybody else was starstruck. Right. They're on this panel. It's a little it's a little low energy, and then somebody answers, like you know, one of the panelists answers the final question that had been asked, and it just goes silent. And everybody's kinda, like, looking around.

Aaron

00:28:13 – 00:28:28

The whole thing's been a little awkward. Everybody's just kinda, like, looking around. And then Madison, who is one of the co MCs, like, elbows Ken, and Ken just kinda, like, pops up. He had fallen asleep on stage. Fallen asleep.

Ian

00:28:28 – 00:28:30

That's like a conference in name only. It's just like

Aaron

00:28:30 – 00:28:39

Name only. This is a party. This is this is a conference wrapped in a party. Yeah. It was I was like, what are we what is going on here?

Ian

00:28:39 – 00:28:41

Dude, that's a high bar.

Aaron

00:28:41 – 00:28:47

You're gonna have to have a bar. I know. Name at learn. I'm gonna have to stay awake during during my MC duties. That's crazy.

Ian

00:28:47 – 00:28:53

I feel like you gotta go the opposite direction. Like, what can you do to be even more, like, outrageous and inappropriate?

Aaron

00:28:53 – 00:28:55

Literally nothing. There's nothing left.

Ian

00:28:55 – 00:29:03

More than fall asleep is hard. Like, there's nothing left. Show is kinda different. Like, no show, it's like they're just gonna route around it and be like, okay. Well, we'll make it work, and

Aaron

00:29:03 – 00:29:03

Right.

Ian

00:29:03 – 00:29:13

They're not here or whatever. But, like, when they're when you're on stage and you're supposed to be there and you're physically there, but you're not mentally there, Not you're not aware of what's going on on your own joke.

Aaron

00:29:13 – 00:29:15

Not ideal. We'll say that.

Ian

00:29:15 – 00:29:18

Dude, you gotta come up with something for this. I'm telling you. I I I think you could top it.

Aaron

00:29:18 – 00:29:26

I think what I'm gonna come up with for Laracon is I'm going to faithfully execute my duties. I think that that's kinda like my MO.

Ian

00:29:26 – 00:29:27

Too on brand

Aaron

00:29:27 – 00:29:34

for you. No. That's kinda always my plan. Like Counterculture. What am I supposed to do, and how can I do that to the best of my abilities?

Aaron

00:29:34 – 00:29:43

That's kinda my move. Boredom, dude. Everybody has moves. That one just happens to be mine. So, yeah, kinda kinda off the rails.

Aaron

00:29:43 – 00:29:52

It was, Miami. Oh, dude. It was there was a lot going on. Fortunately fortunately, I had a posse. We love a posse.

Ian

00:29:52 – 00:29:55

A posse. That's why we had a posse this week too.

Aaron

00:29:55 – 00:30:03

We love a posse. So good. So so the posse was, Joe t, friend of the pod.

Ian

00:30:03 – 00:30:04

Oh, Joe t was there.

Aaron

00:30:04 – 00:30:15

PHP NYC Joe t. So he was there. John O'Nolan, whom we love. John O'Nolan, sir. Creator founder of, ghost.org.

Aaron

00:30:15 – 00:30:20

Big fan big fan of John O'Nolan. Then we had the Hank Taylor marketing at Laravel.

Ian

00:30:20 – 00:30:21

Alright.

Aaron

00:30:21 – 00:30:33

Yep. And then, we had this we had this other guy named Josiah who just kinda you know, Josiah, if you're listening, great hang. Sweet, sweet hang. Guy came out of nowhere. This guy came out of nowhere.

Aaron

00:30:33 – 00:30:34

Nowhere.

Ian

00:30:34 – 00:30:37

Are you speaking to that guy? Oh, what's the right there? That's all

Aaron

00:30:37 – 00:30:39

I need. Posse needs a Canadian.

Ian

00:30:39 – 00:30:40

Yeah. Canadian.

Aaron

00:30:40 – 00:30:50

So he was our Canadian. He came out of nowhere and was just, like, he was just there the whole time and always a delight. Just a sweet hang. We love a sweet hang.

Ian

00:30:50 – 00:30:54

You could just do things. You could just, like, introduce yourself and end up as part of a posse.

Aaron

00:30:54 – 00:30:58

Just you can just become part of a posse. It's that easy.

Ian

00:30:58 – 00:30:58

So it

Aaron

00:30:58 – 00:31:12

was it was great. It was a blast. Leah from Laravel was also there, but she was speaking, so she was a little more sparse. Right. But, yeah, I rolled around with Joe t, John, and Hank, and Josiah, and it was just like we had our little crew.

Aaron

00:31:12 – 00:31:13

It was awesome.

Ian

00:31:13 – 00:31:18

So you were there day zero Yep. And day one. Day one. And day two?

Aaron

00:31:18 – 00:31:26

And day two, I flew out. This is not a move I do very often, but I flew out at, like, 09:30 on day two. Nine 30 PM.

Ian

00:31:26 – 00:31:28

So you're in the whole thing, though?

Aaron

00:31:28 – 00:31:48

I was there the whole thing. Okay. But it ended it ended on a Friday, and Saturdays are, child care, as child care droughts, so I had to be home Saturday morning. So, yeah, I was there the whole time. Had a nice parting dinner, with the with the posse, and then grabbed my bags and went to the airport.

Aaron

00:31:48 – 00:32:01

It was great. That's amazing. Lot of fun. Taylor was there Taylor was at Dax's party and then was there, I think, just day one and then flew out, for Vegas. He he was part of the posse for a little bit.

Aaron

00:32:01 – 00:32:06

He can be an honorary member, but he wasn't he wasn't a full member. So He wasn't a full

Ian

00:32:06 – 00:32:08

member every minute like the rest of the community.

Aaron

00:32:08 – 00:32:16

Sorry. Big t. So it was great. I had I had a lot of fun. It was a, it was a very stark difference from Alaricon.

Aaron

00:32:16 – 00:32:24

Just, just the vibe was very different. And I think part of that is Miami as a city has its own vibe.

Ian

00:32:24 – 00:32:27

Right. And they're very into it heavy. Yes.

Aaron

00:32:27 – 00:32:39

They they the React Miami crew leans into the vibe of Miami. Yeah. I was, I was eating breakfast alone on day two, which is not sad. It's awesome. No.

Aaron

00:32:39 – 00:32:56

That's good. I was at a little coffee shop just, like, a block from the venue and eating breakfast alone and just enjoying my freedoms. Joe t and John O'Nolan walked in, and so we all sat down together. And I said to Joe, I was like, you know what I've realized? Miami is just like a very Miami is just like a very sexual city.

Aaron

00:32:56 – 00:33:04

And Joe laughed, and he was like, you're just now realizing this? And I'm like, I am. And I've noticed. I'll tell you, Joe. It's very different from Dallas.

Aaron

00:33:04 – 00:33:10

And he, like, put his head in his hands with, like, something I'm coming up with on the spot. This is an original insight.

Ian

00:33:10 – 00:33:11

Yeah. Nobody knows.

Aaron

00:33:11 – 00:33:19

Nobody knows. Nobody's ever heard this about Miami before. And he thought, you know Oh, man. So it was good. It was a lot of fun.

Aaron

00:33:19 – 00:33:19

It's very

Ian

00:33:19 – 00:33:19

different than

Aaron

00:33:19 – 00:33:24

Laracon, and I'm very much looking forward to Laracon.

Ian

00:33:24 – 00:33:28

But Well, Laracon takes on the persona of the founder. I feel like, you know,

Aaron

00:33:28 – 00:33:28

I think Taylor

Ian

00:33:28 – 00:33:42

is very chill and Yeah. So Laracon's very chill. Yeah. And and I think that's look. We talked about this before, but the Laracon community is kinda very chill because, like, that's how it's put together, I think Yep.

Ian

00:33:42 – 00:33:47

You know, intentionally. So, yeah. Yeah. But that's good. So everything went well then?

Aaron

00:33:47 – 00:33:55

Podcasting went well? Podcasting went well. I did, we had a sit down, so we had a full hour podcast with Guillermo, which was fun. Yeah.

Ian

00:33:55 – 00:34:07

Wow. So how how were were you able to hold up your end of the reactness? Were you on call for doing any reactness, or you were No. You were just just talking. You were going to do more business y stuff or

Aaron

00:34:07 – 00:34:11

Yeah. Business y stuff, color commentary, you know, that that sort of thing.

Ian

00:34:11 – 00:34:11

Okay.

Aaron

00:34:13 – 00:34:19

So that was fun. And then I was a part of Terminal Feud. So the coffee shop boys played Family Feud on stage.

Ian

00:34:19 – 00:34:20

Oh, just

Aaron

00:34:20 – 00:34:28

tell that. I was a part of that and, went literally head to head with Guillermo. So I don't know. Like Vercel. Yeah.

Aaron

00:34:28 – 00:34:29

Vercel's everywhere. Yeah.

Ian

00:34:29 – 00:34:29

Yeah.

Aaron

00:34:29 – 00:34:48

Vercel's everywhere. So they call you know, if you've ever seen Family Feud, they call, like, people out to the middle to, like, hit the button real fast. And so I came out and Guillermo came out, and they had told us backstage, like, hey. Y'all try to, like, hype it up a little bit, you know, boo the other team, that sort of thing. Like, be you know, amp up the bravado.

Aaron

00:34:49 – 00:35:09

And so Guillermo and I walked out to the middle, and somehow, we both had the same idea to pretend like we were boxers, and we touched foreheads together, me and Guillermo. So I'm standing on the stage. I'm like, you know, like, forehead to forehead with Guillermo Rauch, and we're, like, beating our chest. And I'm like, what? How am I here?

Aaron

00:35:09 – 00:35:10

What is going on?

Ian

00:35:10 – 00:35:11

Like, how you can just do things?

Aaron

00:35:12 – 00:35:15

Yeah. Exactly. So it was fun. It was good.

Ian

00:35:15 – 00:35:16

Did you win?

Aaron

00:35:17 – 00:35:29

No. We didn't win, actually. We got bamboozled. Yeah. Got really I think it it's I think the terminal boys play fast and loose with, like, the rules of the game and, like, what are the actual answers.

Aaron

00:35:30 – 00:35:30

And so they might

Ian

00:35:31 – 00:35:31

stage at

Aaron

00:35:31 – 00:35:38

the conference? This is on stage. Yeah. This is, yeah, like, the last thing or maybe second to last thing of the conference. So it was fun.

Aaron

00:35:38 – 00:35:41

It was it was a good bit. I'm glad that they did that.

Ian

00:35:41 – 00:35:50

Interesting way Interesting way to keep people there for day two. You know, a lot of times you lose people on day two. It's like, hey. We got some fun stuff and stuff happening in addition to the talks. That's kind of an interesting idea.

Ian

00:35:50 – 00:35:57

Yep. Family feud. Family feud. Jeez. Okay.

Ian

00:35:57 – 00:36:00

So any other any other tidbits? Anything else we need to know? Any good dinners?

Aaron

00:36:01 – 00:36:09

Yeah. We had, the last night, the Laravel crew went to a dinner. It was like Korean barbecue.

Ian

00:36:10 – 00:36:12

I've never been to Korean barbecue, which is crazy. There's tons of meat

Aaron

00:36:12 – 00:36:13

that work,

Ian

00:36:13 – 00:36:13

but I never

Aaron

00:36:13 – 00:36:19

Awesome. I was able to eat, like, 75% of the things that were offered. Wow. It was great.

Ian

00:36:19 – 00:36:19

That's very good.

Aaron

00:36:19 – 00:36:23

Good. And it's one of those, we did the Omakase menu

Ian

00:36:23 – 00:36:23

Okay.

Aaron

00:36:23 – 00:36:44

Which is, for the people who are not as cultured as I am. It was, where the the chef chooses, and it's so they just bring it out. And they cooked it in a little thing right in front of you. So, you know, they brought out all the meat, and then they would, like, cook it in front of you, and then they would serve it to you. And you got, like, you know, they probably did six different offerings.

Aaron

00:36:45 – 00:36:56

And it was great. It was very, very good. There's only one there's one that was like, hey. This is raw meat with caviar on top. And I was like, that sounds delightful for my neighbor and passed it over to Leah.

Aaron

00:36:56 – 00:37:02

You know? Yeah. But, yeah, that was probably the best that was probably the best dinner for sure.

Ian

00:37:02 – 00:37:06

Was this, like, in Miami Miami, or, like, it was in Several

Aaron

00:37:06 – 00:37:07

people have asked me that.

Ian

00:37:07 – 00:37:08

There, or is there, like,

Aaron

00:37:08 – 00:37:09

this is idea.

Ian

00:37:10 – 00:37:11

Could you see the ocean?

Aaron

00:37:12 – 00:37:13

I saw the water. Yeah.

Ian

00:37:13 – 00:37:14

So from the hotel, you were in

Aaron

00:37:15 – 00:37:23

From the hotel. I saw a little channel with these freaking huge yachts just cruising through. I'm like, how do you where where is all this money coming from?

Ian

00:37:23 – 00:37:38

I was just talking to somebody about this the other day that, like, probably the most dense amount of wealth I've ever seen in my own eyes was, like, in Miami Bay when we took that boat out there. It's just, like, it's just yacht after yacht after yacht. Huge house. Like, huge house. Like, man, a lot of money.

Ian

00:37:38 – 00:37:38

A lot

Aaron

00:37:38 – 00:37:43

of money. Lot of money. Lot of money. Yeah. So, yeah, I don't think,

Ian

00:37:43 – 00:37:44

We gotta get that yacht money.

Aaron

00:37:44 – 00:37:56

We gotta get that yacht money, man. But all in all, good conference. Very much, very much a party conference. So if that's what you're looking for, go to React Miami next year. That's a lot of fun.

Aaron

00:37:56 – 00:37:56

I think

Ian

00:37:56 – 00:38:17

a party conference. You know? I think, it's good to have all types of conferences. I think there was a point in the past where there was, like, every party was a a party conference or every conference was a party conference, and maybe that wasn't the best. But I think if you have a little more balance, it's like I feel like React Miami is is perfect too because, like, they are making it very clear that this is a party conference.

Ian

00:38:17 – 00:38:33

Right? He's like, you're not showing up there and not aware that people are going to be partying. Right. So then you can self select out if that's not your thing, or if it is your thing, then you can select in, and that's all great. So cool.

Ian

00:38:33 – 00:38:42

I I would that is the one non, like, Laravel conference I'm interested in going to at some point is, React Miami and checking that out even though I'm not a huge partier. But,

Aaron

00:38:42 – 00:38:43

yeah, yeah.

Ian

00:38:43 – 00:38:45

Yeah. Maybe next year, it'll happen.

Aaron

00:38:45 – 00:38:56

Nuno stream live streamed the entire thing. Couple days straight. Like, there was a React Miami livestream, and Nuno livestreamed himself watching the livestream Oh, really?

Ian

00:38:56 – 00:38:56

For two

Aaron

00:38:56 – 00:39:07

days straight. Just like, dude, that seems brutal. But he said, he said he'll be going next year. He was like, oh, I I gotta go to this next year. So the Laravel him.

Aaron

00:39:08 – 00:39:10

Con contingent might grow.

Ian

00:39:10 – 00:39:16

Wow. I didn't know Nuno was, like, a React guy. I don't think I've ever heard him talk about React. Yeah. He doesn't use it there, so I guess Yeah.

Aaron

00:39:16 – 00:39:29

I think with cloud, they've all become a little bit more React y, which which, you know, that's what I was saying last week. The world is moving to React. If it hasn't already, it's going to. It's over. This view is done.

Ian

00:39:29 – 00:39:32

So how did you what'd you wrap up there with Fusion?

Aaron

00:39:33 – 00:39:50

Yeah. So I feel very good about it. Okay. Basically, I need to I need to, like, write a post that says it's dead. But I feel very good about it, being dead, and no one has reached out and been like, oh, man.

Aaron

00:39:50 – 00:39:54

I was really looking forward to it. So good sign already. Several people

Ian

00:39:54 – 00:39:55

about it.

Aaron

00:39:55 – 00:40:00

Yeah. Several kind people reached out and was like, hey. I'm really sorry to hear this. I'm like, oh, thanks. That's nice.

Ian

00:40:00 – 00:40:01

That's nice.

Aaron

00:40:01 – 00:40:14

And then a few people have reached out and said, hey. I think fusion is close, but, like, it needs, you know, to fundamentally change, and here are my ideas for changing it. Mhmm. And I'm like, yeah. Most you know, those are pretty good ideas.

Aaron

00:40:15 – 00:40:35

Not really something I want to pursue right now, but some people were like, I liked some parts of this, and, it needs to live on in some way. I'm like, sure. Maybe. And I talked to Taylor and Joe at, React Miami, and I asked Joe. I was like, so now that it's dead, you're the inertia guy.

Aaron

00:40:35 – 00:40:45

What do you think? And he was like, I think what you did is technically very, very amazing, very impressive. It's just, it's not for me. I was like, great. That's a, you know Yeah.

Aaron

00:40:45 – 00:40:53

Great response. Totally what I was intuiting from the people. And I told Taylor I apologized to Taylor. I was like, hey, man. Yeah.

Aaron

00:40:53 – 00:41:05

You shake your head. So did he. He was like, I don't care. I was like, hey. I you know, sorry I made this, you know, big spectacle and did this Lyric Honey You thing, and then turns out it didn't work.

Aaron

00:41:05 – 00:41:12

And he's like, man, that's fine. I don't care at all. Like, you you did it, and it didn't work. I don't why would I why would I care? That's how it goes.

Aaron

00:41:12 – 00:41:13

I'm like, oh, wow. That's interesting.

Ian

00:41:14 – 00:41:15

That's an interesting take.

Aaron

00:41:15 – 00:41:21

May maybe I have some inner work to do there. That's interesting. But, yeah, I feel I feel a relief about it for sure.

Ian

00:41:21 – 00:41:25

That's good. Okay. Yeah. So we're in a good spot there then.

Aaron

00:41:25 – 00:41:26

We're in a good spot there.

Ian

00:41:26 – 00:41:31

Yeah. Alright. Sounds good. Well, let's do let's do let's pay the bills.

Aaron

00:41:31 – 00:41:32

Let's pay the bills, baby.

Ian

00:41:32 – 00:41:33

A few more things to, to

Aaron

00:41:33 – 00:41:34

Speaking of conferences.

Ian

00:41:34 – 00:41:51

Yeah. Yes. Thank you to our friends at Laracon US twenty twenty five, if you can believe that. Laracon is calling all web artisans come to dev to Denver ready to level up, Eve ready to ship. And, you can check them out at Laracon.US.

Ian

00:41:52 – 00:41:57

Is that right? Yeah. Laracon.US. There there was a short link in the description.

Aaron

00:41:57 – 00:42:00

You can There's a short link in the description, and you should click on it.

Ian

00:42:00 – 00:42:02

You should click on it so that they know you clicked on it.

Aaron

00:42:02 – 00:42:02

But if

Ian

00:42:02 – 00:42:12

you don't click on it, you go to Laracon.US. It'll take you right there. Buy a ticket. We're gonna be there. We're gonna have a party, 80% likely, and it's gonna be great.

Ian

00:42:12 – 00:42:31

We're definitely gonna be there, so that's for sure. And, also, thanks to our friends at native PHP for mobile. Turn your Laravel project into a native mobile app ready for the app stores in minutes with native PHP for mobile. Check out nativePHP.com/mobile. Get a really cool, community project there.

Ian

00:42:31 – 00:42:32

So check that out.

Aaron

00:42:32 – 00:42:35

IOS and Android now. They're really they're cooking.

Ian

00:42:35 – 00:42:41

Yeah. I mean, that's yeah. Like, we talked about this before, but I do wanna do a mobile app at some

Aaron

00:42:41 – 00:42:42

I know you did.

Ian

00:42:42 – 00:42:45

Some point in my life. I would, like, do a mobile app. Like, all that distribution

Aaron

00:42:45 – 00:42:46

I know.

Ian

00:42:46 – 00:42:46

Just there.

Aaron

00:42:46 – 00:42:47

It's just there.

Ian

00:42:47 – 00:42:58

A lot of competition out there too, but still distribution. Alright. So on so I'm in my pod on the plane. K? I have the whole row to myself.

Ian

00:42:58 – 00:43:03

It's one cc in the row. K? And it's mine, and I'm in the pod. K? And I'm sitting back.

Ian

00:43:03 – 00:43:09

I'm in the relax mode. I'm leaning back. K? Got my laptop out. You know what I do right then?

Aaron

00:43:09 – 00:43:10

Tell me. What do you do?

Ian

00:43:11 – 00:43:12

I put on Aaron Francis.

Aaron

00:43:12 – 00:43:16

No. That's what I do. You old dog? Aaron Francis. You old dog, what did you watch?

Ian

00:43:17 – 00:43:22

I watched your, video about how you're laying out the schema

Aaron

00:43:23 – 00:43:25

and We love we love a schema layout.

Ian

00:43:25 – 00:43:27

Models and all this stuff.

Aaron

00:43:27 – 00:43:28

Did you watch the whole thing?

Ian

00:43:28 – 00:43:33

I watched it's an hour and six minutes or whatever. I watched every minute. What,

Aaron

00:43:33 – 00:43:37

Ian? What was it? You're doing you're doing too much. Well, what did you think?

Ian

00:43:37 – 00:43:59

I loved it. Everybody should watch this video. I think it was so, useful, and, I really love the whole, well, what it is is you are going through the database design, basically, and somewhat the code mindset of, the course selling platform. I don't know what you're actually calling this thing, but Yeah.

Aaron

00:43:59 – 00:44:00

Close enough.

Ian

00:44:00 – 00:44:22

I don't know who has a name, yes, of of what you're building. As we've talked about on the show, you're building this full store cart system for all the different courses so you can cross sell and you can have free versions and you can have all upsells and whatever, all that stuff. And, yeah. So you went through the whole database design of it, and it was great because I especially love that you start with, like, your kinda naive take. Yep.

Ian

00:44:22 – 00:44:30

And then you we got to see your whole evolution. It's not just like, oh, here's what we came up with. Let's look at this chart. Right? It's like, no.

Ian

00:44:30 – 00:44:42

Let me start with the kind of basics. Then, oh, we need to handle this, then we need to do that, and we got this other thing. And that teal draw app is, like, amazing. And you're an expert in it. It seems like you got it all.

Ian

00:44:43 – 00:44:51

It was all beautiful. Uh-huh. It looked great. You need to do more of this stuff. I don't even know I don't even know what the angle is, but I think that was awesome.

Ian

00:44:51 – 00:44:58

And I think it was, like, it was just, like, I learned stuff for sure, and it was just cool to see the thought process there. So, no, it was

Aaron

00:44:58 – 00:45:02

Yeah. It's great feedback. Yeah. And it's novel. Right?

Aaron

00:45:02 – 00:45:03

Not everybody's doing that.

Ian

00:45:03 – 00:45:17

No. I mean, I don't know how an hour video performs, but I liked it. Like, I thought it was it needed the hour. I think if you try to do it in less, I don't think it would have been as good. And but the most impressive part is I think it was an hour, and I was never bored.

Ian

00:45:17 – 00:45:29

It wasn't like, oh, we're in the database, you know, dry zone where Yeah. I mean, because you weren't really even taught you didn't get too nerdy on the data, but it was like a beautiful bow it was just you kept it high enough level that's like, this is, like, the business goals

Aaron

00:45:30 – 00:45:30

Mhmm.

Ian

00:45:30 – 00:45:39

And this is what we're trying to do, and this is how we're gonna do it so that it all makes sense when we build it out, blah blah blah. But it wasn't you didn't go all the way down until, like, here's every column

Aaron

00:45:39 – 00:45:40

and Oh, yeah.

Ian

00:45:40 – 00:45:48

You know, all that kind of stuff, which obviously you don't you needed to do for yourself at some point, but, or maybe there could be a video that gets deep into some of that.

Aaron

00:45:48 – 00:45:49

But I

Ian

00:45:49 – 00:45:54

think for that video, it was great that it was just, like, at a little bit higher level. Yeah. I thought it was awesome.

Aaron

00:45:54 – 00:45:58

God. That that just made my day. That's amazing.

Ian

00:45:58 – 00:46:01

More videos. I love Harry Francis videos.

Aaron

00:46:01 – 00:46:13

That is a ringing endorsement from you. Yeah. I know you're I know you're partial to databases, but that is a ringing endorsement. That that makes me feel really good. I do I did like like, I very much enjoyed doing that video.

Aaron

00:46:13 – 00:46:39

Mhmm. And it's a little bit of a different style because I've never done one of those, like, just TL draw only videos. Yeah. And I like it. And I got a lot of really good comments on, like, that kind of aspect of it, which is, like, we need more of these real world problem solving and less of the, like, watch me make a to do app, which is encouraging for me because I don't want to make to do apps.

Aaron

00:46:39 – 00:47:03

Right? Because my my thing is not, like, let's explore every new stack as it comes out and ride all the hype waves, which is, like, a viable content strategy for, like, a generalist, but that's not what I wanna do with my life. Like, I wanna just keep doing Laravel and Vue and hopefully making a lot of money. Fingers crossed. So, like, I'm kinda out in the cold in terms of people will be like, hey.

Aaron

00:47:03 – 00:47:21

What do you think of the new release of Svelte? And I'm like, no. No freaking clue. Never even looked at it. So the fact that people liked this deep dive into some of the more, like, business y problems as they relate to databases is really encouraging for me because I can do I can do a lot of those.

Ian

00:47:21 – 00:47:36

I even think just like the format of the TL draw, for a video, I thought was awesome. Like, way better than if you were bringing up your code editor and looking at migrations and, like Right. That kind of thing. You know? And, all

Aaron

00:47:36 – 00:47:38

of a sudden because that would have been too in the weeds or what?

Ian

00:47:39 – 00:48:01

No. Not not even the weeds part. I just think visually, like, for like, when you're watching a video and it's, like, code, I just feel like it's I could not sit through an hour of, like, we're looking at every migration and you're talking about the databases, and I'm like, there's you see the columns. All the Yeah. Like, it, like, cleans it up, and you could really see the interconnection because that's what it obviously, you were showing with the arrows and stuff.

Ian

00:48:01 – 00:48:18

And, like, I just thought I kept it at the right level, and visually, it was pleasing, and you could zoom in to get to, like, a detailed part, but then you could zoom out. We could see the whole thing together. Mhmm. And I think that was so effective. And I feel like you could even do that for other types of things where it's just like, I'm drawing the boxes, and I'm making connections.

Ian

00:48:18 – 00:48:25

And, like, that's just a great format for, like, that little bit higher level Mhmm. Discussion of something.

Aaron

00:48:25 – 00:48:45

Yeah. It's interesting because I agree with what you just said. I think you can do that for other things. Because in my head, when I'm, like, coding, and I'm sure most people are this way, you have some sort of visual of, like, how these classes interact with each other or how this flow is, like, laid out. And it may just be, you know, background jobs that hand off to background jobs.

Aaron

00:48:45 – 00:49:00

But in your head, there's, like, that diagram exists in your head even if it's just code. And so having the ability to quickly and aesthetically draw out those diagrams, I think, is pretty good. Yeah. I think I'm gonna adopt that more moving forward.

Ian

00:49:00 – 00:49:22

I think so. I think you could find a spot for that to, like, fold it in places because it it was very effective, I feel like, in, communicating that over the video and being able to, like, zoom in, zoom out, see the big picture, drill down in. And then, yeah, you could you did hop over to code a few times a little bit, but, so you could obviously just go back and forth where it makes sense. Yeah. No.

Ian

00:49:22 – 00:49:27

I dug it. Now I gotta look into this tool. I'm like, I need this tool. I know. I need to do this for my own stuff.

Ian

00:49:27 – 00:49:28

Like, I gotta get out

Aaron

00:49:28 – 00:49:35

of here. You know what's funny? This tool is is called TL draw. TLdraw.com. No sponsor, but we we do love them.

Aaron

00:49:35 – 00:49:58

TL draw, any very first, publish your work increases your luck, that very first talk that I gave, Yell Draw was one of the examples in that talk. And so you can go back. The GitHub universe one isn't recorded at Laracon Nashville. Actually, I don't Laracon EU that year, I think, was not recorded. So you can go to Laracon Nashville talk and go find an example.

Aaron

00:49:58 – 00:50:17

Like, there's a middle section of that talk where I talk about examples, and one of them is TL draw. And the thing I said about TL draw is, you know, this guy is so excited about this SVG whiteboard thing that he has, like, amassed this following of people who are really excited about it, and now he's able to go full time on it.

Ian

00:50:17 – 00:50:17

Oh, wow.

Aaron

00:50:17 – 00:50:33

And my comment to about that was, I have no idea what his tool is. I have no no need for it. I will probably never use it, but I am, like, following along because he is very excited. I said those things out of my mouth. And then That's so funny.

Aaron

00:50:33 – 00:50:54

Weeks ago, I was like, man, I I wonder if TL draw is good for this. And so, like, four years later, after I started following this guy, I'm like, oh, this is actually the best tool in the world. How funny. So, yeah, marketing attribution is hard because now I've I've converted, and it was like, well, I started following the guy four years ago. How do you track that?

Ian

00:50:54 – 00:50:59

That is funny. I didn't realize it was, like, a guy. Like and that was, like, that small thing. You know?

Aaron

00:50:59 – 00:51:04

Yeah. It was. I think he just recently raised $10,000,000.

Ian

00:51:04 – 00:51:20

See that now. Yeah. And it's kinda weird because, you can use it for free, and the watermark always has to be there. Mhmm. If you're a business using TL draw SDK in production, what the heck's the SDK?

Aaron

00:51:20 – 00:51:36

So his whole I think his whole business model is, there's, like, a free version that you can come and use as a consumer. But if you want to embed something like this in your app, then you can use his SDK, and you have, like, you know, many thousands of hours of work already done.

Ian

00:51:36 – 00:51:46

Interesting. Okay. Because it was like the only pricing on here is $6,000 a year. And I was like, that seems a little pricey for a drawing app, but that's not it's like to embed this in your product.

Aaron

00:51:46 – 00:52:10

You'll you'll appreciate this. Somewhere on his pricing, and I'm not looking at it, but somewhere on there is, like, the prices will say a thousand dollars a month, and then the next price over is, like, $2,000 a month. And the only difference is you need to talk to us. So for like, if you need to talk to legal or you need us to sign a contract or whatever, it's an extra thousand dollars a month or something like that. And I thought

Ian

00:52:10 – 00:52:17

He's he's changed that, because the pricing now is just a $6,000, and it's you have to contact them even to get that.

Aaron

00:52:17 – 00:52:20

Man, it was so good that he had that on there. Let me see.

Ian

00:52:20 – 00:52:23

Yeah. Not they raised the money. They're probably trying to

Aaron

00:52:23 – 00:52:24

probably so.

Ian

00:52:24 – 00:52:29

Do it a little differently. That is that's sort of interesting, though. You can embed this. That's crazy.

Aaron

00:52:29 – 00:52:30

Isn't that cool?

Ian

00:52:30 – 00:52:32

I feel like I wanna do something with this. What can I what can

Aaron

00:52:32 – 00:52:32

I do

Ian

00:52:32 – 00:52:38

with the product? Can I do I need to have a drawing thing embedded into my app for?

Aaron

00:52:38 – 00:52:50

And he's gone a long way. He's gone a long way on AI stuff. And so, like, you can you can actually use this to, like, build out kinda, like, AI workflows, basically.

Ian

00:52:50 – 00:52:51

Really?

Aaron

00:52:51 – 00:53:05

Yeah. It's very interesting. I don't I don't fully understand how that works, but on Twitter, I'm always seeing him, like, draw a box and then an arrow to another box, and it, like, flows through and does, like, an AI process. Like, what in the world? Oh, yeah.

Aaron

00:53:05 – 00:53:09

They totally changed this pricing. Oh, that's too bad.

Ian

00:53:09 – 00:53:19

Interesting. Yeah. Right? I like this tool. Because I I was actually, there was a couple things I wanted to, like, sketch out some ideas, and I was gonna use whimsical, which I know people Uh-huh.

Ian

00:53:19 – 00:53:23

Sometimes like. But I think I'm gonna try still draw instead because this looks really good.

Aaron

00:53:23 – 00:53:25

There you go. And that's how it's done.

Ian

00:53:25 – 00:53:29

Look at that. Influencing. YouTubers using it. That's the dream.

Aaron

00:53:30 – 00:53:31

Mhmm. I know.

Ian

00:53:31 – 00:53:35

Great. What other videos do you have in the queue for us? You got anything coming? Not one more.

Aaron

00:53:35 – 00:53:41

One. I've got one coming. I've got a, sponsored video coming out soon. So Yeah.

Ian

00:53:41 – 00:53:43

I haven't heard about sponsored videos in a while.

Aaron

00:53:43 – 00:54:03

We got one coming. And then I will probably I will probably do a similar long form video on that thing I talked about last week, dead drop, the command. And I have decided, you know what? I'm just not gonna make it into a package. I'm just I'm just over it.

Aaron

00:54:03 – 00:54:04

Okay. You know? No

Ian

00:54:04 – 00:54:05

breathers. Open source for

Aaron

00:54:06 – 00:54:10

Yeah. Take a little take a little breather. Let's let's make some let's make some money instead of

Ian

00:54:10 – 00:54:11

Oh, baby. I got that.

Aaron

00:54:11 – 00:54:14

Away for free. Yeah. So, yeah, I That's a

Ian

00:54:14 – 00:54:18

good thing too. People are gonna be like, the security thing and other things.

Aaron

00:54:18 – 00:54:21

I need the configuration. Yeah. I I have this

Ian

00:54:21 – 00:54:21

gonna be.

Aaron

00:54:21 – 00:54:25

You know, VPS. I'm like, I don't understand anything that you're trying to do here.

Ian

00:54:25 – 00:54:28

You can just do that anytime anyway. You don't

Aaron

00:54:28 – 00:54:35

So anyone that's listening, feel free to just run with it. That's great. It's all yours. Yeah. So, yeah, I've got that.

Aaron

00:54:35 – 00:54:56

And then, we've got a couple I've got a couple other ideas. I'm trying to pick up the cadence. So, and that was one thing with the the schema video was, like, that is the video that I wanted to make. And it was easy to make, and it felt good, and I'm gonna do more videos like that. Ones that I just want to make.

Aaron

00:54:56 – 00:55:11

I think there's a easy trap to fall into where it's, like, analysis paralysis of what, you know, what does the algorithm want, what is currently hot, like, what has never been done before. And you know what? I'm not doing that. I'm just gonna make videos that I want to make, and we'll see what happens.

Ian

00:55:11 – 00:55:24

Yeah. That's what got you here. Right? I feel like, you know, that's, you don't need to occasionally, there might be something really obvious that's like, we really should cover this, and you'll do it. But, like, yeah, I don't think I think for most of the time, he's like, what are you interested in?

Ian

00:55:24 – 00:55:25

Those are the ones that are gonna come out best. You know?

Aaron

00:55:25 – 00:55:26

Like, think

Ian

00:55:27 – 00:55:42

so. Yeah. Like, I feel like that video, you were obviously, like, into it, and you had thought it through like, the actual problem you had thought through, and that came through very clearly. And you knew what you were doing and why you were doing it, and you had good advice embedded in there, which was cool. And then the presentation was great.

Ian

00:55:42 – 00:55:52

So, yeah, I think it seems like the plan is, and if you're interested in it, then the audience is more likely to be interested in it. Whereas if you're just, like, floating through because you feel like you have to do it, probably not the best.

Aaron

00:55:52 – 00:56:02

And then I just become another if I'm just doing what is hot, I just become another talking head YouTuber, and I don't there's no part of me that wants to exist in that universe.

Ian

00:56:03 – 00:56:17

Yeah. Like, there's, what you do it does work, but it's also, like, for the person doing it, it's like, the guy I follow, like, several, like, photography channels. Right? And it's like, whenever, like, a new lens comes out. Right?

Ian

00:56:17 – 00:56:36

It's like everybody gets the lens, and then everybody does the review of the lens. And it's like, they're all, like, the same, and they're all just like, you know, okay. I gotta go somewhere interesting to try to, like, show you this lens, but I only have one day. So I, like, just, like, did a few you know, it's just like and they're all like that, and it's like, I don't know. Yeah.

Ian

00:56:36 – 00:56:38

So I think I think that's the right play.

Aaron

00:56:38 – 00:56:40

Yeah. So stay tuned. There will be more.

Ian

00:56:40 – 00:56:43

Alright. You have another item on here. What's up with this?

Aaron

00:56:43 – 00:56:53

Alright. So I know that you listened to the Jordan Dahl episode, but you remember none of it. So I'll I'll give you I'll give you a little refresher here. I was at a restaurant. You know?

Aaron

00:56:53 – 00:57:06

Right. I was at a restaurant many, many weeks ago, few months ago, met this, twin dad. And this this is a this is a thing I do quite often. If I see somebody out with twins, it's a % I'm gonna talk to them. Twins are an insulin pump.

Aaron

00:57:06 – 00:57:17

I'm basically like, hey. What's the deal? So I talked to this guy and, you know, we talked for a little bit, then they leave. And then I'm there again a few weeks later. So now, you know, maybe two weeks ago, and the guy comes up to me, and he's like, hey.

Aaron

00:57:17 – 00:57:22

You're the twin dad. Right? Yeah. Can I get your number? I'm having, you know, a hard time making friends.

Aaron

00:57:22 – 00:57:29

Just moved here. Told Jordan bravest thing I've ever seen in my entire life. Right. Is a is a man saying I would like to be friends. Like Yeah.

Ian

00:57:29 – 00:57:29

That's great.

Aaron

00:57:30 – 00:57:50

For you, guy. The So got his number. And so that guy is, at, like, a dinner restaurant. I also take the I take the big kids to breakfast every Saturday morning. Without fail, me and the big kids go into breakfast every Saturday morning, always to the same place, obviously.

Aaron

00:57:50 – 00:57:59

Come on. What would you expect from me? Yeah. And there's another twin dad that does the same. So at this other restaurant, there's this guy probably my age.

Aaron

00:57:59 – 00:58:14

She's got two, I wanna say they're, like, two year old boys. Mhmm. And so it's him and his boys and then his dad. So it's, like, really cool. It's, like, you know, three generations of men of this family, and the wife is staying at home with a new baby they just had.

Aaron

00:58:14 – 00:58:16

And so it's kind of the exact same situation. Right?

Ian

00:58:16 – 00:58:17

Mhmm.

Aaron

00:58:17 – 00:58:26

And so he and I have talked a whole bunch of times. So I, like, a week ago, walked up and was like, hey, man. I met this other twin dad. He's, like, looking for some friends. Can I get your number?

Aaron

00:58:26 – 00:58:32

And we, like, go out and just, like, get a beer together. And he's like, I would love that. That would be awesome. So I got this guy's number. Right?

Aaron

00:58:32 – 00:58:48

So then, I think it was yesterday. No. Yesterday was Monday. I think it was Sunday. So Saturday or Sunday, I'm running an errand with, the babies, and I'm, like, at Target doing a pickup as one does, here in the big city.

Aaron

00:58:48 – 00:59:04

And I see I see this couple walking with what are obviously twins. And so I roll up. You know, I'm on my way out. I roll up in the minivan, nonthreatening, roll my window down, and I realize I've met this guy before. I met this I met this guy at Micosina.

Aaron

00:59:04 – 00:59:12

Apparently, I'm at restaurants all the time. So are other twin dads. I've met this guy. Alright. And so I roll up and roll down my window, and I'm like, oh, hey.

Aaron

00:59:12 – 00:59:18

It's good to see you. How old? Oh, two years. Oh, I got the, you know, I got the 16 olds with me. And he's like, where are the other ones?

Aaron

00:59:18 – 00:59:22

And I'm like, okay. So I've definitely met this guy. Yeah. I know this guy.

Ian

00:59:22 – 00:59:23

He knows your story.

Aaron

00:59:23 – 00:59:34

Yes. And I think this guy used to live in the neighborhood that we lived in when we were renting. And so I feel like, I I know you. I know your wife. We've we've talked before.

Aaron

00:59:35 – 00:59:37

And so I gave him the pitch. I was like, hey, man.

Ian

00:59:38 – 00:59:39

Starting to meet up.

Aaron

00:59:39 – 00:59:48

Starting to meet up. I was like, here's the deal. Me and these two other dads twin dads are gonna go get beers on Friday. Can I get your number, and do you wanna come? And he's like, yeah.

Aaron

00:59:48 – 00:59:52

I would love that. So in a few days, three days,

Ian

00:59:52 – 00:59:52

four days

Aaron

00:59:52 – 01:00:03

from now, me and three other twin dads are gonna go to this restaurant and have a beer and just you know, we're gonna start the twin dads commiserations slash support group.

Ian

01:00:03 – 01:00:04

Dude, this is amazing.

Aaron

01:00:05 – 01:00:08

How about that? Right? Isn't that the wildest thing?

Ian

01:00:08 – 01:00:13

Incredibly on brand too. It's like you can just do things. You can just start a twin dad meetup, Brandon.

Aaron

01:00:13 – 01:00:14

Why not?

Ian

01:00:14 – 01:00:15

Accident. Like

Aaron

01:00:15 – 01:00:15

Yeah.

Ian

01:00:16 – 01:00:19

That's cool. So every all everybody can make it. All three of them are

Aaron

01:00:19 – 01:00:31

So I know that the original two can make it. Yeah. Then the other one, we've already got the date and time set, so we'll see if he can make it. But, hopefully, yeah, hopefully, there will be, you know, four of us. It's this little meetup.

Aaron

01:00:31 – 01:00:32

Ain't that cool?

Ian

01:00:32 – 01:00:33

Yeah. Where are you going?

Aaron

01:00:34 – 01:00:40

Just a little local it's called Shady's. Just a little local local burger spot where all the all the families go.

Ian

01:00:40 – 01:00:41

Nice.

Aaron

01:00:41 – 01:00:42

But, yeah, it'll be

Ian

01:00:42 – 01:00:46

You can't go to the family spot. You don't have the kids with you. Or do you have the kids with you?

Aaron

01:00:46 – 01:00:48

We won't. No. No. No. No.

Ian

01:00:48 – 01:00:49

That's post bedtime.

Aaron

01:00:49 – 01:00:51

Kids. Post bedtime. But it's one of

Ian

01:00:51 – 01:00:53

those like somewhere without without kids.

Aaron

01:00:53 – 01:00:59

Yeah. Maybe. It's one of those real casual spots where everybody everybody in the neighborhood goes.

Ian

01:00:59 – 01:01:00

It's not the big commitment

Aaron

01:01:01 – 01:01:01

Right.

Ian

01:01:01 – 01:01:04

Wise or whatever too. Yeah. Fancy restaurant or whatever.

Aaron

01:01:04 – 01:01:18

And you can kinda roll in, and there are tables out on, like, a covered patio. It's just like Okay. It's an easy it's an easy spot to go to, and it's very, very close to everybody. So, you know, you gotta start low pressure on a first date. You know, you gotta keep it yeah.

Aaron

01:01:18 – 01:01:22

You don't wanna go somewhere fancy and do the whole thing. It's just like

Ian

01:01:22 – 01:01:23

Oh, yeah.

Aaron

01:01:23 – 01:01:31

Come come when in whatever you're wearing, we're just going to Shady's. We'll have a beer. Maybe we'll have two. We'll see where the night goes, and then that's it. And that's that's a good start.

Ian

01:01:32 – 01:01:34

Wow. I love this idea. That's amazing.

Aaron

01:01:34 – 01:01:36

So if you're a twin dad in Dallas

Ian

01:01:36 – 01:01:37

There you go.

Aaron

01:01:37 – 01:01:46

Start going to the restaurants, and you might make it in to this little circle. I may see you somewhere and be like, hey. Those are twins, aren't they? Listen. Let me get your number.

Ian

01:01:46 – 01:01:50

Just bring your twins everywhere with you in case you happen to run across Aaron. That's

Aaron

01:01:50 – 01:01:51

exactly right.

Ian

01:01:51 – 01:01:56

Yeah. That is cool. I mean, now you have something to actually say to people too because it's like, I we have this

Aaron

01:01:56 – 01:02:04

group. Gotta have a place. Easy intro. Yeah. Somewhere to invite people to is a pretty it's a pretty big, like, necessity.

Aaron

01:02:04 – 01:02:21

If you're trying to if you're trying to start a thing, you need to have a standing like, you need to have the nugget. Right? You need to have the, hey. I'm doing this at this time at this place with these. Even if it's one other person, you should come, and then it's less it's less pressure for the new person.

Aaron

01:02:21 – 01:02:25

So, yeah, having having a a nucleus is pretty important.

Ian

01:02:26 – 01:02:31

Wow. Well, that's awesome, man. That's great. I think I've never done anything like that. I should do something like that.

Aaron

01:02:31 – 01:02:41

Yeah. It'll be fun. It's it's funny because it's, like, a very easy it's a very easy little community. Oh, you're a twin dad? I'm a twin dad.

Ian

01:02:41 – 01:02:42

Right.

Aaron

01:02:42 – 01:02:49

We'll start with that. Like, we've got stuff to talk about. That's fine. Like, we can just start there. And so that that's super helpful.

Ian

01:02:49 – 01:03:04

It is also very, like, inherently a small niche, but also a niche that people self identify with Mhmm. Strongly. So it's, like, got both those kinda angles where, like, yeah, it's like a logical thing. It's not like everybody's not included. Not everybody can do it.

Ian

01:03:04 – 01:03:14

Right? But also the people who do have this situation are all very much aware that they're in this situation and, I'm sure have similar war stories to

Aaron

01:03:14 – 01:03:21

Yeah. A little a little bit of, like, shared suffering to bind us. Like, oh, man. Oh, we gotta get a beer. You guys making it?

Aaron

01:03:21 – 01:03:25

Oh, man. Let's get together. Like, yeah. That's great. That's what we want.

Ian

01:03:25 – 01:03:32

Exactly. Oh, man. Just totally changed the subject. But the cab driver I had k? I'm getting in the cab to go home.

Ian

01:03:32 – 01:03:44

Cab driver gets out. They're doing messing with the bag. Like, the the cab stand guy and the cab driver are, like, having a quick chat. And one of them said the other one, what's the good word? I was like, woah.

Ian

01:03:44 – 01:03:50

You were ready. Yes. Ready. I was I was in the back. I couldn't even participate, but I heard it in the wild.

Ian

01:03:50 – 01:03:52

So I thought that was cool.

Aaron

01:03:52 – 01:03:59

What's the good word? A common expression amongst humans. Yes. I love that. Oh, boy.

Aaron

01:03:59 – 01:04:01

Did the guy respond with anything?

Ian

01:04:01 – 01:04:07

I think he did. I couldn't hear the response, unfortunately. But I love the responses. Yeah. I woulda liked to have the response.

Ian

01:04:07 – 01:04:07

But Ah,

Aaron

01:04:07 – 01:04:08

it's too bad.

Ian

01:04:08 – 01:04:15

Alright. So you gotta now you gotta do a website. You gotta do all you gotta take it too far. You gotta have all kinds of stuff for your four person meetup.

Aaron

01:04:15 – 01:04:20

No. This is this is underground only. This is if you know, you know. This is punk rock, baby. Well,

Ian

01:04:20 – 01:04:26

you have to report back Monday. We'll hear how you, meet out on your first date with the crew. That'll be I will.

Aaron

01:04:26 – 01:04:27

It's gonna be a lot of fun.

Ian

01:04:28 – 01:04:30

Alright, man. No. Do we have anything else we need to cover here?

Aaron

01:04:30 – 01:04:31

Nope. Not on my side.

Ian

01:04:31 – 01:04:38

Alright. I think we're good. Well, thank you, everybody. Check us out, mostlytechnical.com. Make sure you subscribe.

Ian

01:04:39 – 01:04:44

Aaron

01:04:44 – 01:04:45

See you. Bye.

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