Talking About Liquid

October 8, 2024

Ian and Aaron reunite to talk about bad design, WordPress drama, Aaron's secret physical product, why you want to be liquid, and more. Sponsored by LaraJobs, Screencasting.com, and Mailcoach. Use code MOSTLYTECHNICAL to get 3 free months when signing up for Mailcoach. Interested in sponsoring Mostly Technical? Head to https://mostlytechnical.com/sponsor to learn more. 00:00 Freaking Wrecked 03:32 A Great Roundtable 12:48 The Duality of Ian 22:47 Aaron's Decision 26:20 Rich People Have No Imagination 39:04 WordPress Drama 48:53 White On White On White 58:57 Course Update 01:11:16 A Physical Product (?!) 01:18:00 One Last Thing
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Transcript

Aaron
00:00:00 – 00:00:02
Hello? Hello. We're back, baby.
Ian
00:00:03 – 00:00:05
That's the two of us like it's supposed to be.
Aaron
00:00:05 – 00:00:12
Man, there's there was a question last week as to whether or not I was going to survive at all, so I'm glad to be here today.
Ian
00:00:13 – 00:00:18
I know that feeling. Oh, man. How'd you make out? You were you were sick. You were throwing up.
Aaron
00:00:18 – 00:00:40
Oh, dude. I got freaking wrecked. Just absolutely destroyed. Sunday Sunday night, you know, Jennifer had it, I think, on Friday, and then Simon and Amelia got it Saturday through Sunday. And that Sunday was when Amelia threw up and a little bit splashed on my leg, and I was like, I gotta cut this leg off.
Aaron
00:00:40 – 00:00:40
You
Ian
00:00:41 – 00:00:48
like, I got you have the such the cutest tweet. You were like, oh, I cleaned it up, and now I'll be fine. And, like, I'm like, dude, he's a dead man walking.
Aaron
00:00:48 – 00:00:58
Yeah. I I sprayed it down. Of course, we have a bottle of isopropyl alcohol because we have kids. And so I just, like I saw it, and I was like, alright. Here we go.
Aaron
00:00:58 – 00:01:14
And it just straight onto the skin. I was like, I'm not letting this thing touch me. And then so that was, like, you know, 06:30. When I was putting the kids down, she, like, totally just threw up everywhere. And then at about nine, I thought, you know, my stomach kinda hurts.
Aaron
00:01:14 – 00:01:45
This is not this isn't great. And then 02:00 two o'clock is when, everybody came knocking. And, dude, from two to, I think, nine in the morning, I probably had seven different visits to to the toilet to throw up. And each time, I felt like I was I was, like, exercising demons. Like, it was coming from it was coming from the soles of my feet all the way up.
Aaron
00:01:45 – 00:02:07
Oh my gosh. And, Jennifer told me later that, she, like, she went and slept on the couch after she ensured that I was, you know, living. She's like, I can't I can't listen to that. She told me later that she called her mom, and she's like, so when when dad throws up, is it is it pretty violent? Aaron's Aaron's pretty violent in his pockets.
Aaron
00:02:07 – 00:02:21
Oh, god. I was like, oh, it was the absolute worst. I do not wish it upon my worst enemy. Maybe upon the worst enemy, but not upon normal normal enemies. It was bad.
Ian
00:02:21 – 00:02:24
Did you have stuff coming up to all of them, or did you get to that point where it was just driving you
Aaron
00:02:24 – 00:02:25
to that
Ian
00:02:25 – 00:02:26
point equally forceful?
Aaron
00:02:27 – 00:02:35
No. It's, you know, this is a family show, but it got to the point where it was just, like, it was just bile. It was just, like, stomach acid. Right. Yeah.
Aaron
00:02:35 – 00:02:36
Yeah. Awful.
Ian
00:02:37 – 00:02:53
Yeah. I have to say, I had that recently ish with the with the gallbladder stuff. At the end of the gallbladder stuff, like, a month before it got taken out and before I changed how I was eating to so I didn't feel like that. Yeah. I had one of those nights where it was exactly like that, and it was just like yeah.
Ian
00:02:53 – 00:03:04
From your feet up. My but the kids, my my wife was like, this doesn't sound Oh, man. Doesn't sound normal. I'm like, I don't know. I, like, pulled a muscle or something and, like
Aaron
00:03:05 – 00:03:11
All my little all my little muscles around me. Something. Yeah. So bad. Dark muscle for sure.
Ian
00:03:11 – 00:03:16
But Mine was at least I was I was done by midnight. Just waking up at two to throwing up. That's
Aaron
00:03:16 – 00:03:17
man.
Ian
00:03:17 – 00:03:23
That's the worst. That's just like you'll go to bed. You're like, alright. I'll wake up in the morning and deal with more kids puking. Fine.
Ian
00:03:23 – 00:03:27
Whatever. Then you get it at 2AM. Not good.
Aaron
00:03:27 – 00:03:33
Totally wrecked. Totally wrecked. But good news is you had a great roundtable. You had a great roundtable.
Ian
00:03:34 – 00:03:38
Roundtable was fun. We business started it up a bit.
Aaron
00:03:38 – 00:03:39
You did.
Ian
00:03:39 – 00:03:49
I I look back because when you messaged that you were sick, I was like, have we ever even been on the same show? And, like, I was like, since, like, July, we've been on the show twice together, I think.
Aaron
00:03:49 – 00:03:51
I know. I know. It's crazy.
Ian
00:03:51 – 00:03:53
So funny. It's just barely been
Aaron
00:03:53 – 00:03:57
all this time. Caleb Porzio hour since July.
Ian
00:03:58 – 00:04:09
We just let him take over. Whatever. Like but, yeah, no. Roundtable was fun. It was cool having, John on as the new new Mhmm.
Ian
00:04:09 – 00:04:15
Friend of the show and somebody who actually knows the space and talked to WordPress stuff. What's your take on the WordPress stuff?
Aaron
00:04:15 – 00:04:22
Well, I wanna do take on static stuff before we go on to the clown show. Yeah. Give us your take. My take on WordPress. Shoot.
Ian
00:04:22 – 00:04:27
I'm sure you were yelling at the show. Right? You're like, you wanted to get in there while you were throwing it up. You're like, if I can get in there
Aaron
00:04:28 – 00:04:38
It was so great. About calling in, but I didn't wanna discuss our viewers. I thought Caleb's, points at the very end were almost perfect.
Ian
00:04:38 – 00:04:39
Yeah.
Aaron
00:04:39 – 00:04:48
So I I do I do think go all in on Laravel. There's nobody that's using statimek that's that's not, like, at least Laravel adjacent.
Ian
00:04:48 – 00:04:48
Right.
Aaron
00:04:48 – 00:04:55
And this this mid this weird middle ground of, like, antlers and not like That kind of stuff is
Ian
00:04:55 – 00:04:56
a weird Yeah.
Aaron
00:04:56 – 00:05:07
It's like just, like, fully embrace Laravel and make that part a lot easier. So was on board with that. Obviously, on board with single SQLite file. Think that's great. Super portable.
Aaron
00:05:09 – 00:05:39
I think the open question there is, like, who does he wanna target? Is it is it developers or end users? Because if it's developers and they're like, oh, I want to write my markdown and, you know, my Versus code, it's like, okay, well, that you have to you have to have flat file at that point. But I thought, yeah, get away get away from the flat file, because I've tried I've tried static, and the flat file stuff kind of threw me off because it is it is like a proprietary format unto itself. You know?
Aaron
00:05:39 – 00:06:00
It's got the front matter, which is, like, all of the attributes, and I'm I'm always looking at it like, what do I put here? And so so I don't super love that. The thing I thought Caleb was wrong on sorry, Caleb. And I think he's right, actually, but I think Jack is wrong. I think Jack should do cloud hosting for sure.
Aaron
00:06:00 – 00:06:06
Yeah. 100. And Caleb's point was like, Jack, you don't wanna do it. Don't do it. So maybe Caleb's wrong by proxy.
Aaron
00:06:06 – 00:06:10
Jack is wrong. That's what he should do. That's where the money is.
Ian
00:06:10 – 00:06:34
I I agree. I think you cut off some kind of story there. Even if it's like what we did for a long time, it's just have, like, a partner who really does it. And, like, just like you slap your name on it, you split the money, whatever you come up with something like that. But, like, I do think in this day and age, and I'll have some type of either first party or you build out the ecosystem and there's some hosting story, even forget you making money on it directly.
Ian
00:06:34 – 00:06:46
It's just even like Right. That there's a place to go that you know knows how to host this and has the server set up correctly, and you don't have to deal with that as the customer. I think Mhmm. You would think has to be pretty beneficial. Yeah.
Aaron
00:06:46 – 00:06:54
Even if even if Jack's ultimate goal is, license sales and static adoption, cloud hosting gets you towards that goal for sure.
Ian
00:06:54 – 00:07:09
Yeah. For sure. That's kind of what I think too. So it also just lends air of like stability and reliability and like people are out there actually using this because there's a hosting thing. If you have your own, that's sort of one thing.
Ian
00:07:09 – 00:07:22
But if there's other, if you just have partner hosting companies that are doing it, it kinda gives you that, like, ecosystem vibe of like, oh, there's other people whose businesses are invested in this and all that stuff. So I think if,
Aaron
00:07:22 – 00:07:38
if Fadeloper wasn't if he hadn't been scooped by Laravel Cloud, that would be a great partnership. That'd be a great duo. The Yeah. This developer runs cloud hosting with the blessing of static with some sort of business arrangement. Like, that's the dream right there.
Ian
00:07:38 – 00:08:00
This was a business idea I had some time ago. Cause like when we were starting to build our own hosting stuff, it's like basically every PHP app is sort of the same. Right. And like there's at that point, you know, ten or fifteen years ago, there was like a lot of PHP apps that people just sold, like a satanic or how help spot was or whatever. And it's like, none of them had hosting.
Ian
00:08:00 – 00:08:23
And it's like, well, maybe we should build the, like, generic, but not really generic, still, like, tailored to your PHP app, but, you know, hosting thing. But I didn't wanna do the hosting either. So for that regard, I get it from Jack's perspective. Now it's probably too late to have that kind of, like, in terms of, like, building a business for that maybe totally specifically. But, yeah, there are still apps out there that need this stuff.
Ian
00:08:23 – 00:08:39
And I don't know. Maybe, like, Laravel Cloud will have some kind of story. Like, it's not gonna probably be specific for Tamic, but or Datomic or however you say it. But, like, maybe they have an API and you could kind of, like, make it work. Basically what we've done for HubSpot, but all custom stuff.
Ian
00:08:39 – 00:09:00
Yeah. Like, so you don't have to actually set up the server and all that stuff. It's just like Mhmm. Maybe I can create a server with the API and then I can go into it and, you know, install the stuff I need and put static code on there and what, you know, get it configured at that next layer up without doing the base layer and also without being responsible for like the server itself and everything. Right.
Ian
00:09:00 – 00:09:06
Right. Securing it and the networking and all this stuff. That's interesting. So that could be kind of cool if that
Aaron
00:09:06 – 00:09:07
could be kind of cool.
Ian
00:09:08 – 00:09:35
But there ends up being it's tricky because like HubSpot is a little more like satanic than other than a regular SaaS app would be in that, like, we let customers do weird stuff, just like he has customers doing weird stuff, whether it's plugins or messing with the file system or having your data stored on the file system, whatever. And there is like just a lot of customization. Like our cloud deployment stuff is not standard. Like there's all these exceptions and special cases and we let the customer do all this weird stuff. And that means we have to handle all these other edge cases.
Ian
00:09:35 – 00:09:49
And so it does get complicated rather quickly versus just your more straightforward sort of SaaS app. But I do I do agree that feels like there should be something there, even if it's just like a partnership maybe to start.
Aaron
00:09:49 – 00:09:56
That's interesting about the Laravel cloud thing. You could see that playing out many different ways, not just with static. You could have Right.
Ian
00:09:56 – 00:09:59
I mean hold on to the whole thing on top, potentially.
Aaron
00:09:59 – 00:10:06
Yeah. You could build you could build a WP Laravel, you know? You could have your whole WordPress hosting on that. That's interesting.
Ian
00:10:07 – 00:10:14
I think Taylor said they plan on eventually having an API, but it didn't sound like it was coming day one. So
Aaron
00:10:14 – 00:10:31
Yeah. And that's the other question is, like, if you build out, you know, if you build out some sort of static white label thing on top of it, do they end up just adding a one one button, like, create a layer of cloud static deploy? It's like Yeah. Maybe. Possibly.
Ian
00:10:31 – 00:10:47
That's still different, though, because at the end of the day, people are paying for, like, the service. You know what I mean? Like, to me, it's like the cloud hosting part is like, we're gonna also upgrade it for you. We're gonna make sure it all everything works right. Like, these, like, push to deploy generic things or bind.
Aaron
00:10:47 – 00:10:49
Just kinda templates, I guess.
Ian
00:10:49 – 00:10:53
Yeah. It's just like, yeah. Okay. It works initially. But like, what about two years from now when
Aaron
00:10:53 – 00:10:54
good luck, have a whole
Ian
00:10:54 – 00:10:57
thing different? Right. Yeah. They're not helping you with anything. Right.
Ian
00:10:57 – 00:11:12
There's no help. There's just like, yeah, you push that button two years ago. You're on your own after that. So kind of feel like that's not that big of a thing. And the real thing you're paying for is like the expertise and specialization of this platform of this, you know, for this product.
Ian
00:11:12 – 00:11:24
And then also support around it when you have a problem, like somebody there who knows how it works and will is willing to help you with presumably, Laravel Cloud wouldn't be willing to do that. So So
Aaron
00:11:24 – 00:11:31
here's the move. Here's the move, Jack. Reach out to Taylor and get early access to that API, man.
Ian
00:11:31 – 00:11:32
There you go. Get it Get
Aaron
00:11:32 – 00:11:48
early access to the API, then you have some sort of command and control lightweight server that you guys run the the static crew runs. Right. And you're continually, you know, phoning Laravel Cloud and saying, like, hey. What version of static are these people on? Alright.
Aaron
00:11:48 – 00:11:59
Let's go ahead and, you know, issue an update job and all of that kinda stuff. But Yeah. They managed all the infrastructure, the routing, all of the servers, all of that stuff. That's the main
Ian
00:11:59 – 00:12:06
How about this? Even if there's no API. I just love this hacky idea. I don't think you'd have to do this, but you love a good hacky idea. Right?
Aaron
00:12:06 – 00:12:09
I love a good hacky idea. I built a wall in an office.
Ian
00:12:09 – 00:12:19
And so you do this little, hosting platform on top of Laravel Cloud. Right? And even if they don't have an API Hell, yeah. Just use, like, a dusk like thing. Right?
Ian
00:12:19 – 00:12:26
And you just go in there. You just build your own API where you're just talking about. In there pushing the buttons. Be like, okay.
Aaron
00:12:26 – 00:12:27
Browser is the API.
Ian
00:12:27 – 00:12:32
Yes. The browser's API. Push the button. Fill this form field in. Yep.
Ian
00:12:32 – 00:12:33
There you go.
Aaron
00:12:33 – 00:12:35
Done. Yep. That's the move for sure.
Ian
00:12:35 – 00:12:38
I like it. Nothing could go wrong there.
Aaron
00:12:38 – 00:12:41
No. No. Not at all. That's yeah. I like that.
Aaron
00:12:41 – 00:12:42
Good idea.
Ian
00:12:42 – 00:12:42
Very good.
Aaron
00:12:42 – 00:12:45
We should save that for ourselves. We should do it in our spare time, Ian.
Ian
00:12:45 – 00:12:48
Yeah. We got lots of spare time. Speaking of
Aaron
00:12:48 – 00:12:55
spare time before we get to WordPress, you're doing a side project with Flex. What are you building? Come on. Don't downplay. What are you building?
Aaron
00:12:55 – 00:12:55
Nah.
Ian
00:12:55 – 00:12:57
I don't know. That's it. Wait. Wait. Wait.
Ian
00:12:57 – 00:13:02
No. Not gonna have time to build anything. That's the thing. I get I get this ideas. I'm like, okay.
Ian
00:13:02 – 00:13:06
I'll make it happen. And then I realized that there's no time. So You
Aaron
00:13:06 – 00:13:09
can't make you can't make anything happen. What are you gonna do? You got no time.
Ian
00:13:09 – 00:13:11
You got no time. Tell me what's
Aaron
00:13:11 – 00:13:14
what's the idea? I don't wanna say it until I
Ian
00:13:14 – 00:13:16
I didn't do any Didn't
Aaron
00:13:16 – 00:13:23
you have an idea a while back? And you were like, oh, it's a great idea. Let's tell everyone except Aaron so I can tell Aaron on
Ian
00:13:23 – 00:13:23
the show,
Aaron
00:13:23 – 00:13:25
and then I never nobody ever told me.
Ian
00:13:25 – 00:13:32
That idea was terrible. What that we're not doing an idea. No. It was a terrible idea. This idea is not is not I don't even know if it's an idea.
Ian
00:13:32 – 00:13:40
It's like, I'm not saying anything to anybody until I do, like, Laravel new. I haven't even done Laravel new. Oh, man. This is the
Aaron
00:13:40 – 00:13:47
duality of Ian. You are both business dad and a degenerate indie hacker. You're like, I got an idea. No. It's a terrible idea.
Aaron
00:13:47 – 00:13:49
Oh, I got an idea. No. It's a terrible idea.
Ian
00:13:49 – 00:14:00
Well, it's just that the real world, though, is the truth. So it's like, for two seconds, it's like the real world doesn't exist. Right? And I'm like, oh, this is gonna be cool to build it. And then it's like, well, I have all these PR things I was looking at.
Ian
00:14:00 – 00:14:13
I have I have the marketing stuff I'm trying to do. I have my parents are moving out of their house. I'm helping them. Like, I have all this stuff going with kids, kid in college, those stuff. And I got hacked open three weeks ago, like, all this stuff.
Ian
00:14:13 – 00:14:23
And I'm like, I don't have any time. When do I have time? I have no time. And No time. I'm not gonna give up the, like, little bit of, like, recreational time I have to, like, hack on some code thing that's never gonna make me any money and just
Aaron
00:14:23 – 00:14:24
That would be that attitude.
Ian
00:14:24 – 00:14:25
I know.
Aaron
00:14:26 – 00:14:31
It's unbelievable. You're no man. You're no man. You're no man has has invaded into your very core.
Ian
00:14:32 – 00:14:44
I will say if I actually get anywhere on this, which is highly unlikely, I'm definitely gonna talk about it on the show. It will be a thing I talk about in the show, and I will we will go through it, and it'll be a fun little adventure for us. But
Aaron
00:14:44 – 00:14:51
You know what? We've had a few dead ends on the show. Why don't you just tell us now? And if it doesn't come to fruition, it doesn't come to fruition.
Ian
00:14:53 – 00:14:57
But that's yeah. Then here okay. So here's the thing. If I say it out loud. Right?
Ian
00:14:57 – 00:15:09
Yeah. If I say it out loud, it's like one of these, like, a a horror movie. Right? Like, if I say it out loud, then it's real. Then I'll feel the obligation to work on it or do something with it.
Ian
00:15:09 – 00:15:15
People are gonna message me and say, that's a cool idea. You should do it. Mhmm. Then it becomes that whole thing. And I don't know if I'm ready for that thing.
Ian
00:15:15 – 00:15:16
I I do wanna gonna
Aaron
00:15:16 – 00:15:18
ask you, hey, Ian. Where did this What's
Ian
00:15:18 – 00:15:19
going on with that thing?
Aaron
00:15:19 – 00:15:22
Hey. I would love to do it. And you're like, come on, man.
Ian
00:15:22 – 00:15:31
Whereas my random when I just say I have an idea, nobody ever follows up for me because they're like, whatever. Like, he's probably doing it anyway, and I'm not doing it. I'm probably not doing it. Right? I haven't the time to
Aaron
00:15:31 – 00:15:32
do it.
Ian
00:15:32 – 00:15:32
I don't think.
Aaron
00:15:33 – 00:15:34
Live live a little, Ian.
Ian
00:15:35 – 00:15:39
If I could carve out a couple hours a week that I could work on it, then
Aaron
00:15:39 – 00:15:40
I'm going
Ian
00:15:40 – 00:15:40
to do it.
Aaron
00:15:40 – 00:15:42
What do you what do you how do you have to ask?
Ian
00:15:42 – 00:15:49
I I thought there's still other priorities. That's the thing. I mean, I could do whatever I want. Sure. But then, like, other stuff doesn't happen.
Aaron
00:15:49 – 00:15:52
Yeah. But I'm telling you, you can do whatever you want. It's so awesome.
Ian
00:15:53 – 00:15:59
There is so much weird stuff. We should have a whole episode on weird shit Ian does all day because the mouth is
Aaron
00:15:59 – 00:16:01
like, I would love
Ian
00:16:01 – 00:16:01
that episode.
Aaron
00:16:01 – 00:16:03
That's hysterical episode.
Ian
00:16:03 – 00:16:23
Here's a sneak peek. I'll just give you one example on Friday. Jamie, who like does the books and the company and like operation type stuff. My wife, she's been dealing with this thing for, like, weeks where a customer in Europe needs this form from the IRS that states that we are an American company in some fashion. And so you're already
Aaron
00:16:23 – 00:16:26
making your head, right? It's it's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
Ian
00:16:26 – 00:16:37
This has been like already a multi week endeavor. I had to get on the phone with the IRS on Friday. Some crazy person at the IRS was asking me weird questions. I answered the weird question. You know, it's the whole also game.
Ian
00:16:37 – 00:16:44
Jamie tries calling them. They're like, no, we gotta talk to, to the owner. So she just puts me on. They say, are you the owner? I say, yes, I'm the owner.
Ian
00:16:44 – 00:16:50
I could be anybody. I could literally be anybody. Right. Fine. But I just say I'm the owner and that makes you the owner.
Ian
00:16:50 – 00:17:02
Okay, great. And so we go through this whole dog and pony show for twenty minutes answering questions this thing, then there's other form we gotta fill out. That's gotta go back to them. So this is there. It's a whole hour.
Ian
00:17:02 – 00:17:10
Right? Just on, like, one customer's need for this weirdo IRS form. That's the thing that has to be done every year. European. You went every year.
Ian
00:17:10 – 00:17:22
It's like crazy. So, like, there's so is that every day there's, like, four of those things. And it's just like just all this weird stuff when you have a company that's, like, this old with, like, all these diverse customers And I got your
Aaron
00:17:22 – 00:17:27
I got your answer. I got your answer. I'm ready I'm ready to business dad the business dad.
Ian
00:17:27 – 00:17:28
Oh, shit.
Aaron
00:17:28 – 00:17:29
You gotta hire a Linda.
Ian
00:17:30 – 00:17:37
A Linda? But see, look at this. So my point, that's not even like that. They needed to talk to me. Like, Jamie was trying to deal with it.
Ian
00:17:37 – 00:17:38
They they couldn't deal
Aaron
00:17:38 – 00:17:45
with it. No. No. The IRS, like, the guy's on the team land. They needed they needed you to approve that they male voice.
Ian
00:17:45 – 00:17:48
They didn't yeah. No. She was talking to me.
Aaron
00:17:48 – 00:17:50
They needed a husband or father on the phone.
Ian
00:17:51 – 00:17:52
I need a towel.
Aaron
00:17:52 – 00:17:53
She's I need a towel.
Ian
00:17:54 – 00:17:55
You could pretend to be me.
Aaron
00:17:56 – 00:17:56
Yeah.
Ian
00:17:57 – 00:18:08
Yeah. But, Theo, I'll tell you, a lot of it is stuff not like that. It's not I have like, the employees do handle a lot of, like, day in, day out stuff. That's, like, stuff other people can handle. Like, I do have employees already, but, like
Aaron
00:18:09 – 00:18:09
Interesting point.
Ian
00:18:09 – 00:18:19
Just other onery type things. Is it impossible to hand them off? Probably not, but I don't know. A lot of things feel, like, borderline impossible. Maybe not totally impossible.
Ian
00:18:19 – 00:18:25
Obviously, at some point, you could be big enough. You just have a COO whose job it is to do all the weird stuff or whatever. Fine.
Aaron
00:18:25 – 00:18:27
That's what you need. You need a Tom. You need a bulldog.
Ian
00:18:27 – 00:18:28
Tom. Yeah. Yeah.
Aaron
00:18:28 – 00:18:30
That's what you need.
Ian
00:18:30 – 00:18:32
The Laravel Tom. But,
Aaron
00:18:32 – 00:18:38
You know, Caleb has this book that he hasn't read called buy back your time, so maybe you should look at that book. I'm borrow
Ian
00:18:38 – 00:18:46
it from him. I've bought back my time. I have five employees. Like, they're out there. They're they're working, but, like, there's still just other weird stuff that goes on, man.
Ian
00:18:46 – 00:18:50
There's a lot of weird stuff, but I agree. I wanna build something.
Aaron
00:18:50 – 00:18:50
Weird stuff.
Ian
00:18:50 – 00:19:08
I don't know what's gonna happen. I have some other code stuff. I still have to finish on in some help spot stuff that that so I can fully hand off a few other things, to the new developer who's, you know, been getting on board here and everything. So that's another thing holding me up. I don't really wanna have two code worlds going on.
Ian
00:19:08 – 00:19:08
If I can get
Aaron
00:19:08 – 00:19:08
Right.
Ian
00:19:09 – 00:19:24
HubSpot stuff fully over to him, then I'll feel like, alright. If I wanna have a little side adventure for, like, you know, nights and weekends, five hours a week, and, you know, be fun for the show. And, like, I got already a little, like, idea for some stickers and stuff. I got some stuff. I got some stuff.
Aaron
00:19:24 – 00:19:26
An idea for stickers. You got a little bit
Ian
00:19:26 – 00:19:34
of stickers. I got an only domain. It's basically domain driven development. It's basically like, I need an idea for flux. Right?
Ian
00:19:35 – 00:19:49
I wanna build something with flux. So what's so so what domains do I have that I can work backwards into a product? And that's like, okay. I got a really good domain, and that would be a cool product that's sort of in my realm of expertise. So, you know, we'll see.
Aaron
00:19:49 – 00:19:54
You know, that's a that's a completely viable way to start a business is domain driven development.
Ian
00:19:54 – 00:19:55
What could go wrong with that?
Aaron
00:19:55 – 00:20:18
That that is is act that's what the guy Peter Askew has done on Twitter. I think his handle is Searchbound. He, he's a domainer, and what he does is he finds, he finds good, like, solid domains and then decides, like, to build a business around it. So he has I think he bought ranch jobs. I think one of his big ones is ranch jobs, and he has a job board.
Aaron
00:20:18 – 00:20:37
His biggest one, I think, is Vidalia onions. And he has, like, a like, they they ship onion like, actual onions in the real world, not like NFTs or something. Like, they ship onions. I think he owns birthdayparties.com for a minute, but he's always he's a good follow on Twitter. You should follow him.
Aaron
00:20:37 – 00:20:51
But he's always tweeting out interesting, interesting domain opportunities. One came up the other day that's was, hawaiianshirts.com, and I was like, am I doing this? Am I starting a Hawaiian shirt business? This seems awesome.
Ian
00:20:52 – 00:21:03
Oh, yeah. Well, it's awesome. You can do it. It's just an SEO play because, like, the the the keyword being in the domain is extremely powerful for SEO. So if you can get the good the good domains, then
Aaron
00:21:04 – 00:21:09
that When I when I got Streetcasting.com and he replied something like great domain, I was like, I'm gonna
Ian
00:21:09 – 00:21:11
make it. I'm gonna make it.
Aaron
00:21:11 – 00:21:19
This is it. Because the trick, of course, the trick, of course, is being able to build something legit behind the amazing domain.
Ian
00:21:19 – 00:21:20
Right. You still deliver.
Aaron
00:21:21 – 00:21:25
Yeah. So but if you can, you have a huge leg up because you have
Ian
00:21:25 – 00:21:26
the .com.
Aaron
00:21:26 – 00:21:29
So tell us the domain. What's the domain? Tell us the domain.
Ian
00:21:29 – 00:21:33
They'll give away the whole product. No kidding.
Aaron
00:21:33 – 00:21:37
Dilling me. I'm I was like, getting blood from a turnip over here.
Ian
00:21:37 – 00:21:38
No. Yeah. They don't need this. They want
Aaron
00:21:38 – 00:21:45
to know. Oh. Yeah. Except at some point, you have to deliver on the suspense. Like, the last one just died on the line.
Aaron
00:21:45 – 00:21:45
Yeah.
Ian
00:21:45 – 00:21:48
I haven't delivered yet. I don't plan on delivering.
Aaron
00:21:49 – 00:21:49
That's unbelievable.
Ian
00:21:52 – 00:21:53
Maybe I'll deliver. Who knows?
Aaron
00:21:54 – 00:21:55
Okay. It's you're you're
Ian
00:21:55 – 00:21:59
you're gonna get my wife moved. Imagine moving your parents. It's a
Aaron
00:21:59 – 00:22:03
I will not imagine that. I'm not imagining moving. There's a lot
Ian
00:22:03 – 00:22:11
going on. There's all these moving parts. My, my super glue just fell off this week. So my, my stitches, my, you know what? They don't have stitches anymore.
Ian
00:22:11 – 00:22:14
They cut you open and they just super glue together.
Aaron
00:22:14 – 00:22:16
I mean context. I got it. No. Yeah.
Ian
00:22:16 – 00:22:16
Like, yeah.
Aaron
00:22:16 – 00:22:17
Yeah. So
Ian
00:22:17 – 00:22:25
they actually do stitch you underneath, but on the surface, there's no stitches anymore. It's just super glue. And that fell off. That was nice.
Aaron
00:22:25 – 00:22:27
Was that a big that was a big moment. So now
Ian
00:22:27 – 00:22:28
you're gonna do it one
Aaron
00:22:28 – 00:22:34
more time. Now now you're a little bit more freed up. Yeah. I'm not kidding. You don't have to babysit the super glue so much anymore.
Ian
00:22:34 – 00:22:38
Exactly. I'm almost done with that that whole piece of things.
Aaron
00:22:38 – 00:22:49
So It's it's very minorly possible that that one's just an excuse. Maybe. Maybe. Just maybe that one's that one's an excuse. So speaking of moving parents, I've made a decision Okay.
Aaron
00:22:49 – 00:22:54
That we Steve and I are gonna get super rich. That's, like, point number one.
Ian
00:22:54 – 00:22:55
That's usually the start up.
Aaron
00:22:55 – 00:22:58
I I'm gonna buy one of the neighbor's houses.
Ian
00:22:58 – 00:23:01
You're going Brandon Sanderson. You're doing a Sanderson, baby.
Aaron
00:23:01 – 00:23:03
I don't know what that means. I don't know what that means.
Ian
00:23:03 – 00:23:04
Brandon Sanderson.
Aaron
00:23:04 – 00:23:05
Because he's the author. Right?
Ian
00:23:05 – 00:23:14
Yes. He's the biggest fantasy sci fi author. He bought his neighbor's house. Yeah. And he First, they just owned it.
Ian
00:23:14 – 00:23:30
And like, that was like where the corporate headquarters was. Great. And then he got super rich and super famous and all this stuff. So he like, I think he tore down the house or whatever, some close to tearing it all down. And he dug down, like, 50 feet.
Aaron
00:23:30 – 00:23:31
That's what I'm gonna do.
Ian
00:23:31 – 00:23:49
He built a huge underground layer with a blue room and all this stuff, his offices. And then I think they put a building on top still where the offices are for, like, the regular employees. I'm not sure about that. But he constructed his whole underground lair at the neighbor's lot, and it's connected, I think, to his house. You know, this is like a tunnel system and
Aaron
00:23:49 – 00:23:53
Of course. Gotta have it. Gotta have it. Go. That is okay.
Aaron
00:23:53 – 00:24:01
Literally, exactly what I wanna do. So the neighbor's house so we live in a cul de sac because we live in the big city. Right? So we live in the cul de sac.
Ian
00:24:02 – 00:24:02
Right. Yep.
Aaron
00:24:02 – 00:24:16
And we have one neighbor that's higher on a hill and then one neighbor that's lower on a hill. So either way, I'm good. Right? So I could buy either either one. And then I wanna, at some point, level both houses, mine and and the new one, obviously.
Aaron
00:24:17 – 00:24:42
And then, I do want to build I wanna dig into the hill and build, like, a giant, you know, makerspace, hobby, house, garage slash, like, YouTube studio. Right. YouTube studio. Top of it, it's just, like, green grass with maybe, like, a, you know, maybe, like, a giant skylight and stuff. And then they have a little have a little hobbit door, not, like, a small door, but, like, a door that's kinda in the hill.
Aaron
00:24:42 – 00:24:56
Right. So you walk out the back of the house, and you see this gently sloping, like, lawn, but but one part of it, there's, like, a double French door, and that leads into the space with all the three d printers and the YouTube studio and everything. It's amazing. It's a great idea.
Ian
00:24:57 – 00:25:03
This idea. I mean, you're probably a little light on cash. I'm guessing it's a big undertaking. You also gotta get approval Oh, I you never got.
Aaron
00:25:03 – 00:25:22
But You can't fathom how light on cash I am. Like, whatever you're thinking, divide it in half. I texted Steve on Sunday when I was, thinking about this, and I said, man, we gotta get super rich because I wanna buy the neighbor's house and knock it down. And And he was like, yeah. I'm kinda thinking the same thing, so let's do that.
Aaron
00:25:22 – 00:25:25
I was like, perfect. Glad we're on the same page.
Ian
00:25:25 – 00:25:27
So you get a great idea. You get
Aaron
00:25:27 – 00:25:28
the house on each side.
Ian
00:25:28 – 00:25:34
You're at That's a lot. One side. He's at the other side. In the middle is the Man Cave studio
Aaron
00:25:34 – 00:25:36
Try hard studios. Garage.
Ian
00:25:36 – 00:25:39
So, yeah, that's the Try hard studios, corporate offices there in between.
Aaron
00:25:39 – 00:25:47
I don't know what would be more difficult, buying, three houses in our neighborhood or getting Steve to move from Boise to Dallas.
Ian
00:25:47 – 00:25:49
He's a Boise man. He likes it out there.
Aaron
00:25:49 – 00:25:54
Boise man. Yeah. He also has a child out there, so it's, like, gonna be kinda hard to leave.
Ian
00:25:55 – 00:25:59
Maybe, you moved to Boise. How about that?
Aaron
00:25:59 – 00:26:01
I think that might be even harder.
Ian
00:26:01 – 00:26:01
Thanks.
Aaron
00:26:02 – 00:26:06
I wanna move four kids to Boise away from all the grandparents and all our friends.
Ian
00:26:06 – 00:26:08
It's not gonna happen. Yeah.
Aaron
00:26:08 – 00:26:12
But building an underground lair might happen.
Ian
00:26:12 – 00:26:13
So good. Hell of a lair.
Aaron
00:26:13 – 00:26:21
Gotta make a lot of money, but it could happen. Why not? You know what, Ian? You know what? Rich people have no imagination.
Aaron
00:26:22 – 00:26:22
No imagination.
Ian
00:26:23 – 00:26:26
Don't. That's why I love to hear this. He does. Why are they not doing
Aaron
00:26:26 – 00:26:27
cool stuff like this?
Ian
00:26:27 – 00:26:33
Yes. They're just screwing shit up when you could just be doing and they all do the same thing. Like, go get a yacht. Everybody's got a yacht. Oh.
Ian
00:26:33 – 00:26:36
Everybody doesn't have a new ground layer. Yeah. It doesn't have a new ground layer.
Aaron
00:26:37 – 00:26:42
Like, this is something interesting. This is this is the you can just do things of being rich.
Ian
00:26:43 – 00:26:53
So That's what needs to happen. In I don't know who's running Zuckerberg's PR or, like, who's gotten ahold of him. Right? But did you see this photo he has now with, like
Aaron
00:26:54 – 00:26:54
The Porsche?
Ian
00:26:55 – 00:26:58
Yes. Where he went to Porsche Porsche modifier.
Aaron
00:26:59 – 00:26:59
Yep.
Ian
00:26:59 – 00:27:01
And made a minivan Porsche.
Aaron
00:27:01 – 00:27:01
Like Yes.
Ian
00:27:01 – 00:27:08
That's the kind of cool shit you should be doing if you have billions of dollars. Like, my wife wants a minivan. %. Let's make a minivan Porsche. Why not?
Aaron
00:27:08 – 00:27:11
And I'm gonna get a Porsche while I'm there just for giggles. Yeah. Yeah.
Ian
00:27:11 – 00:27:13
I obviously gotta have your own Porsche. But like
Aaron
00:27:13 – 00:27:15
That that's what I'm talking about.
Ian
00:27:15 – 00:27:19
Yeah. Do you think they they drive anywhere? How do you drive anywhere if you're that rich?
Aaron
00:27:19 – 00:27:21
I bet Priscilla isn't that her name, Priscilla Zuckerberg?
Ian
00:27:21 – 00:27:22
I'm not sure.
Aaron
00:27:22 – 00:27:22
I think
Ian
00:27:22 – 00:27:22
Could be.
Aaron
00:27:22 – 00:27:29
I think she drives. I mean, nobody would get a a custom Porsche minivan made just for, like, not driving.
Ian
00:27:29 – 00:27:36
Right? Think you drive alone? Like, are you always followed by security? Zuckerberg probably are.
Aaron
00:27:36 – 00:27:38
I think Zuckerberg, I think the whole family. Yeah.
Ian
00:27:38 – 00:27:39
The whole family has to be. Right?
Aaron
00:27:40 – 00:27:44
Have you ever seen Messi's bodyguard? Like like, the compilation Like
Ian
00:27:44 – 00:27:47
a ex massage guy or something like yeah.
Aaron
00:27:47 – 00:27:59
And he's on the field in no time flat. When a when a kid runs on for a signature, he is out there. I have He does not care one bit about the rules of soccer or the league. He is on
Ian
00:27:59 – 00:28:00
the field.
Aaron
00:28:00 – 00:28:01
It's awesome.
Ian
00:28:01 – 00:28:09
He and Messi probably has a whole team. Right? But it's like, that's the point guy who's, like, his, like, bodyguard, like, up with him on his body at all times.
Aaron
00:28:09 – 00:28:14
The most terrifying man in the world. Yes. Yeah. Of course. They've got security.
Aaron
00:28:14 – 00:28:21
Yeah. They they're followed everywhere. They've got security. And and you know what? Maybe even, Priscilla is not driving the minivan.
Aaron
00:28:21 – 00:28:37
Maybe she's riding in the back of the minivan, the Porsche minivan, but I don't know. But, yeah, that's the kind of stuff that billionaires should be doing. Because, like Yeah. Let's let's have a little imagination, for goodness sakes. Like, if I'm a billionaire, I'm buying 5,000 acres, and I'm starting a city.
Aaron
00:28:37 – 00:28:49
I'm starting my own town. Like, I'm I'm terraforming. I'm making hills where there are no hills. I'm making creeks where there are no creeks, and I'm building, like, a walkable city from scratch. Of course.
Aaron
00:28:49 – 00:28:50
With cars underground.
Ian
00:28:51 – 00:29:06
That's amazing. Even short of that, it's like there's just basic stuff I don't understand why they don't do. Like like, if I was a billionaire. Right? Like, I would do some crazy cool shit in my hometown that I grew up in.
Aaron
00:29:06 – 00:29:06
Yes.
Ian
00:29:06 – 00:29:15
Because this town could do some stuff. And, like, yeah, maybe they, like, donate to the hospital or something. Fine. But, like, putting your name in the hospital, that's fine. But, like, what about Main Street?
Ian
00:29:15 – 00:29:34
What about, like, all the stuff that everything is shitty all over the place? Like, why don't you fix all the shitty shit and, like, make sure the town government has infinite money and, like, whatever. All that stuff. I don't understand why you would if you're Jeff Bezos, why isn't your hometown, like, the greatest place ever? And it's like, this is why I like the, CloudFlare guy, Matthew Prince.
Ian
00:29:34 – 00:29:44
I know that he comes with his hometown, but I know he go lives in Park City, maybe permanently or at least definitely in Ski season and like Park City has plenty of money. So I don't think he hasn't done anything on that.
Aaron
00:29:44 – 00:29:46
He's really helping out the
Ian
00:29:46 – 00:29:54
people in the house and eight. But he, he bought the town newspaper Park City newspaper was going under, and he bought it. And now he runs the newspaper and makes made it awesome. I
Aaron
00:29:54 – 00:29:55
love it.
Ian
00:29:55 – 00:30:00
It's like that's great. Journalist, and they're writing stuff up, and they're doing things. It's like, yeah. That's cool. Like, give me for money.
Ian
00:30:00 – 00:30:03
Like, do some real stuff for the normal people.
Aaron
00:30:03 – 00:30:06
Let's let's build libraries all over the country. Like, that's a
Ian
00:30:06 – 00:30:08
cool idea. Right. You can build that.
Aaron
00:30:08 – 00:30:14
Billionaires, they used to be worse, but at least their whitewashing of their image was better. They were built libraries.
Ian
00:30:14 – 00:30:15
A better job with that.
Aaron
00:30:15 – 00:30:16
Yeah. It was cool.
Ian
00:30:16 – 00:30:27
Because they would they would care about putting their name on stuff, which at least got you those big things. You got hospitals. You got Carnegie Mellon. You got whatever. You know, you got these universities and things.
Ian
00:30:27 – 00:30:31
Now it's like they just hoard the money in a big pile and take out the money
Aaron
00:30:31 – 00:30:37
that you get. Away when they're dead. Like, do something cool with it now. Who's the one that built who's the one that built all the libraries? Was that Carnegie or Vanderbilt?
Aaron
00:30:38 – 00:30:39
I think it was Carnegie.
Ian
00:30:40 – 00:30:41
I think it might've yeah. I think it was Carnegie.
Aaron
00:30:42 – 00:30:45
Yeah. Those robber barons, man.
Ian
00:30:45 – 00:30:47
Yeah. Vanderbilt been built a bunch of things.
Aaron
00:30:48 – 00:30:49
So cool.
Ian
00:30:49 – 00:30:52
Yeah. A a robber baron, a corporate raider.
Aaron
00:30:52 – 00:30:56
That's what you wanna be. You wanna be a corporate raider. Is it too late?
Ian
00:30:56 – 00:30:58
No. I don't think so.
Aaron
00:30:58 – 00:30:58
I think
Ian
00:30:58 – 00:31:03
if I could make enough money. This is why I can't get distracted on side projects. I gotta make enough money to buy corporations.
Aaron
00:31:04 – 00:31:06
So you can become a corporate raider.
Ian
00:31:06 – 00:31:12
So I could be straight eighties. I wanna fully realize myself as an eighties business Gordon Gekko guy.
Aaron
00:31:12 – 00:31:17
Listen. I'll make you a deal. If you become a corporate raider, I'll watch the original Wall Street.
Ian
00:31:19 – 00:31:20
You gotta watch the play.
Aaron
00:31:20 – 00:31:21
That's the part.
Ian
00:31:21 – 00:31:33
We're gonna do. This is the perfect one. Dave, producer Dave, gotta cut in twenty seven second clip of Gordon Gekko talking about liquid because that's that's perfect right here. Talking about liquid? Liquid.
Ian
00:31:34 – 00:31:40
Go. Tax bills. Wake up. Will you, pal? If you're not inside, you are outside.
Ian
00:31:40 – 00:31:54
Okay? And I'm not talking about some $400,000 a year working Wall Street stiff line first class and being comfortable. I'm talking about liquid. Rich enough to have your own jet. Rich enough not to waste time.
Ian
00:31:55 – 00:32:03
50, a hundred million dollars, buddy. A player. What nothing? Okay. We're back.
Ian
00:32:04 – 00:32:04
Okay.
Aaron
00:32:04 – 00:32:07
I didn't hear it, so I have no idea.
Ian
00:32:07 – 00:32:09
But it's so good.
Aaron
00:32:09 – 00:32:10
What an amazing clip. Wow.
Ian
00:32:10 – 00:32:11
It's so good.
Aaron
00:32:11 – 00:32:12
I fully understand now.
Ian
00:32:13 – 00:32:22
But this is the point. It totally ties in with what we're what I'm talking about here, which is he he's giving a proposal to Charlie Sheen. Kenny's like, listen. Yeah.
Aaron
00:32:22 – 00:32:27
So are we doing the clip now? Yeah. The the clip that the people just heard. Yes. Are you gonna just basically rehash it?
Aaron
00:32:27 – 00:32:28
That was good.
Ian
00:32:28 – 00:32:28
That was good. Tell you it.
Aaron
00:32:28 – 00:32:31
Okay. Yeah. Tell me. So This is good content. Basically
Ian
00:32:31 – 00:32:46
say damn. Listen. You think you wanna be, like, you what you think Rich is is nothing. You think he's flying first class and it's being comfortable and having a nice house and buying your neighbor's house and putting your office in it. Right?
Ian
00:32:46 – 00:32:54
That's what you think Rich is. He's not talking about rich. He's talking about liquid. Rich enough to have your own jet. Rich enough not to waste time.
Ian
00:32:54 – 00:33:00
This is his quotes. Right? Like, that level of wealth. Corporate raider wealth. You're buying companies.
Ian
00:33:00 – 00:33:04
You're buying. You're selling All that stuff. That's what we're talking about here.
Aaron
00:33:05 – 00:33:09
Sounds like a good clip. I should I should listen. I'll I'll have to listen back to the episode.
Ian
00:33:09 – 00:33:18
It's ridiculous that you have not seen this movie. Should we go we could we could cut this out, and we could go listen to it now. Should we go listen to it now?
Aaron
00:33:18 – 00:33:19
What? The the movie?
Ian
00:33:19 – 00:33:21
No. Just the twenty seven seconds.
Aaron
00:33:21 – 00:33:27
No. I'm not doing that. We gotta keep the vibe going. Here's the one I have seen. Wall Street Money Never Sleep.
Aaron
00:33:27 – 00:33:30
No. That's Shia LaBeouf. Great movie. Great movie.
Ian
00:33:30 – 00:33:31
I've never even watched it.
Aaron
00:33:31 – 00:33:37
Gary Mulligan, Shia LaBeouf, Josh Brolin. Great movie. I do like Josh Brolin. Is so cool.
Ian
00:33:38 – 00:33:42
Maybe I'll watch it. Unbelievable. Cool. I could I just literally couldn't bring myself to watch it because it's so
Aaron
00:33:42 – 00:33:42
It's great.
Ian
00:33:42 – 00:33:51
Shia LaBeouf is so the wrong person to be in a movie with Gordon Gekko. It's everything's about totally wrong. That girl is totally wrong.
Aaron
00:33:51 – 00:33:52
It's great.
Ian
00:33:52 – 00:33:53
Things wrong.
Aaron
00:33:53 – 00:33:56
I know. It's all It's all very bad. No. It's a good movie. How can
Ian
00:33:56 – 00:33:57
you watch that and not watch the original?
Aaron
00:33:57 – 00:34:00
Oh, I've seen it so many times. It's such a great movie.
Ian
00:34:01 – 00:34:04
It's, I'm gonna maybe it is a great movie. Maybe it
Aaron
00:34:04 – 00:34:07
is a movie. I saw it in theaters, I think. I think But
Ian
00:34:07 – 00:34:14
the original is a truly great movie. It's a top five movie for me. Top five. No. You know I like movies.
Aaron
00:34:14 – 00:34:17
No. The the second one is good. The second one is good. You have to watch it.
Ian
00:34:17 – 00:34:19
I will check it out. Even though Sean Maybe we'll
Aaron
00:34:19 – 00:34:22
make a pact that each of us will watch the other.
Ian
00:34:23 – 00:34:27
I'm willing to sign up for that. Let's do that. I would do that. Next week movie review week.
Aaron
00:34:28 – 00:34:37
That's, I got a lot to do, man. I got some superglue that's about to fall off. I don't have time. I don't have time to be watching movies again. I gotta babysit this superglue.
Aaron
00:34:38 – 00:34:50
No way. Here's what here's what I can say. I am having I am having an elective surgery in early November Oh. To, to make sure. You know?
Aaron
00:34:50 – 00:34:52
And maybe while I'm in bed. Yeah.
Ian
00:34:52 – 00:34:52
Yes.
Aaron
00:34:52 – 00:34:55
Maybe while I'm in bed, I'll watch the first Wall Street. How about that?
Ian
00:34:55 – 00:35:04
Okay. That's not too far. And I'll watch I'll watch, the second one that week, and then we can, you know, when you're ready to go back on the mic, we can discuss.
Aaron
00:35:04 – 00:35:06
Deal. Let's do that.
Ian
00:35:06 – 00:35:11
You also have to watch the Godfather that week. Just make just not the let's just do it. Just do it, man.
Aaron
00:35:11 – 00:35:12
Just Okay. I can watch The Godfather.
Ian
00:35:13 – 00:35:14
I can watch The Godfather.
Aaron
00:35:14 – 00:35:15
I I could do that.
Ian
00:35:15 – 00:35:22
But then that's just a straight movie review episode after that. We're gonna have to go through it. It might be two or three episodes, to be honest with you. There's a lot to cover. We got a lot of things to apply to your life.
Aaron
00:35:23 – 00:35:27
Don't worry, listener. Dear listener. I'm not doing two or three episodes on the godfather. I'm sorry.
Ian
00:35:28 – 00:35:28
Two or three is,
Aaron
00:35:28 – 00:35:36
like, a minimum. I'll do a ten minute bit, segment, but I'm not doing I'm not doing two or three episodes of godfather.
Ian
00:35:36 – 00:35:40
Ten minutes. We're not even gonna get through the opening scene in ten minutes. There's so much left to cover.
Aaron
00:35:40 – 00:35:44
That's that's up to you, but we're doing ten minutes. It's a tight time box.
Ian
00:35:45 – 00:35:51
Man. No. But at least you'll be in the loop, so now we can discuss these business things you go through.
Aaron
00:35:51 – 00:35:52
You can have a shared language.
Ian
00:35:52 – 00:36:03
Have the right context. Yes. And the shared language. You're out there you're out there just wandering around in the desert, man. You don't even know what you're doing because you don't have the the base knowledge.
Aaron
00:36:03 – 00:36:08
I'm a satisficer, and you can provide. I'm a satisficer, and I'm satisfied with my movie knowledge.
Ian
00:36:08 – 00:36:17
See, though. That's the point is if you just had a two hour investment, you'll be satisfied in all the business knowledge you need. That's what I'm saying. I love thinking of
Aaron
00:36:17 – 00:36:18
their fees that correctly.
Ian
00:36:19 – 00:36:24
Literally, they're wasting four, five years to get MBAs. You did that.
Aaron
00:36:24 – 00:36:29
You just watched it too. My master's in accounting. I already wasted the time. I can't waste another two hours.
Ian
00:36:29 – 00:36:32
Wasted. Wasted. Wasted. Wasted. Watch these movies.
Ian
00:36:33 – 00:36:36
Okay. You're like, why did I waste those years? Wasted.
Aaron
00:36:36 – 00:36:43
I already wonder why I wasted those years. I'm teaching databases. What does that have to do with being a CPA? Man,
Ian
00:36:43 – 00:36:50
I gotta start that that pop NBA podcast I wanna do, man. Pop NBA. That was great. Name. Pop NBA.
Aaron
00:36:50 – 00:36:52
Great. That's a great name.
Ian
00:36:52 – 00:36:57
MBA knowledge from the pop culture. It's all out there.
Aaron
00:36:57 – 00:37:07
A fantastic name. I did I did see a devastating tweet. It was a it was like a it looked like a New Yorker style comic. Mhmm. And it was two people talking, and he was like, yeah.
Aaron
00:37:07 – 00:37:16
My friend and I do a a podcast about movies, but here's the catch. We also kinda joke around a little bit. Yeah. I know. It's like, uh-oh.
Aaron
00:37:16 – 00:37:17
Shoot. That is
Ian
00:37:18 – 00:37:19
All the podcasts?
Aaron
00:37:19 – 00:37:21
Yeah. I feel called out personally. They're
Ian
00:37:23 – 00:37:24
on to us here.
Aaron
00:37:24 – 00:37:43
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Aaron
00:37:43 – 00:38:15
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Aaron
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Aaron
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Aaron
00:39:02 – 00:39:05
Back to the show. Alright. You wanna do cloud show?
Ian
00:39:05 – 00:39:06
Oh, yeah. Let's do that.
Aaron
00:39:06 – 00:39:10
So here's here's here's my take on the WordPress drama.
Ian
00:39:10 – 00:39:11
Mhmm.
Aaron
00:39:11 – 00:39:13
Matt Mullenweg has lost his mind.
Ian
00:39:14 – 00:39:15
I think he's actually lost his mind.
Aaron
00:39:15 – 00:39:40
That might actually be true. But regardless regardless, I have a few I have a few takes. One is, everyone's conflating issues. So everybody's conflating because Matt is conflating them. Open source contributions with trademark disputes with, infrastructure, rights to wordpress.org.
Aaron
00:39:40 – 00:39:51
Right? Yep. So the they're he's mad that WP Engine is not contributing to open source, which, hello? Open source? You don't have to do freaking anything.
Ian
00:39:52 – 00:39:58
And that's not even true. It's not even true. But even if it was true, you definitely don't don't have a responsibility at least. Responsibility.
Aaron
00:39:58 – 00:40:13
Yes. Zero responsibility. So he's mad they're not doing that. And then everybody's like, well, if, you know, if they contributed more, this were this trademark thing wouldn't be an issue. Completely separate, discreet, not even the same, not even a little bit.
Aaron
00:40:13 – 00:40:36
And then there's the whole WordPress.org. Like, do you have a right to access this? And I think the answer is is no. But if you're gonna turn it off to flex the trademark thing, to flex the open source thing, I just feel like it's all it's all bad. And he, final note, he doesn't understand how how lawsuits work, apparently.
Aaron
00:40:37 – 00:40:48
Because when when you are when you are priv or when you are, when you are party to a lawsuit or you think you're about to be, you shut the hell
Ian
00:40:48 – 00:40:50
up. And he so.
Aaron
00:40:50 – 00:41:02
In a in a bold move, took the opposite took the opposite course, which is, like, I'm gonna go win in the court of public opinion, which, in my opinion, is gonna cause him to lose in the court of courts. That's my opinion.
Ian
00:41:03 – 00:41:09
I mean, you may I mean, it's because he's post economic as he says, and so he doesn't worry about these things. I don't know. Like He
Aaron
00:41:09 – 00:41:16
should be building underground layers, not, like, arguing not arguing with our original business dad on Twitter.
Ian
00:41:17 – 00:41:29
Yeah. That was, I don't know, man. The whole thing is weird. What, I mean, the whole it's so awesome. Like, one of those very transparent, like, he wants the money and then got some pushback.
Ian
00:41:29 – 00:41:33
And now he's like, well, it's because they don't contribute enough to open source. Like, this is just, like,
Aaron
00:41:33 – 00:41:34
after the fact.
Ian
00:41:34 – 00:41:45
Right. Trying to justify the shakedown. And no. I don't know. I just feel like not enough people are gonna buy that in general to turn the community around.
Ian
00:41:45 – 00:41:52
You know, I just think if you're trying to get community support to be like, we all hate WordPress engine WP engine, not WordPress engine.
Aaron
00:41:53 – 00:41:59
So confusing, but you're gonna end up, you're gonna end up as an exhibit in the suit. You just called a WordPress engine.
Ian
00:41:59 – 00:42:21
You just this is, like, all the wrong way to go about it. I feel like there probably is a playbook where you could turn public sentiment against them with the right process, but she has not done any of. And then he goes on all these streaming shows and like, they call him out. They, I mean, I have to say Theo and Prime both did like pretty amazing interviews, which Mhmm. Was kind of surprising.
Ian
00:42:21 – 00:42:32
Especially Theo, I wasn't really expecting him to really hold his beep to anything, but he did. So that was good. And, yeah, I don't the whole thing is just bizarre. I don't
Aaron
00:42:32 – 00:42:33
I don't know what he's doing.
Ian
00:42:33 – 00:42:37
That's where it's like I feel like he must just be having some kinda actual breakdown or like
Aaron
00:42:37 – 00:42:37
an episode.
Ian
00:42:37 – 00:42:49
Yeah. Automatics and like bad financial shape. Cause they did raise a bunch of money at an insane valuation, which they're never gonna get close to. And maybe it's, you know, they have 2,000 employees, he says, whatever. Like that's
Aaron
00:42:49 – 00:42:50
good.
Ian
00:42:50 – 00:42:51
That's a lot of money. Like, so
Aaron
00:42:51 – 00:42:54
that is so many, $300,000,000
Ian
00:42:54 – 00:43:02
doesn't go that far. It's 2,000, totally many highly paid employees. And so maybe they're running a little tighter cash.
Aaron
00:43:03 – 00:43:10
There are 2,000 employees. And just to make it average, let's say what do you wanna do? One twenty five? Because they probably have employees all over the world.
Ian
00:43:11 – 00:43:16
Probably I think it's more. I would say it's, like, one. I was thinking 200 just to make you
Aaron
00:43:16 – 00:43:18
I think 200 is probably the highest.
Ian
00:43:18 – 00:43:18
Too high.
Aaron
00:43:18 – 00:43:23
But because they're globally distributed, we'll say we'll say a 50,000.
Ian
00:43:23 – 00:43:29
Alright. I I think that these, like, VC backed companies, when they're out there hiring, I think they're making some expensive hires. But
Aaron
00:43:30 – 00:43:37
2,000 people times a hundred and $50,000 Yep. Which is not fully loaded, by the way.
Ian
00:43:37 – 00:43:41
I was gonna say, it's really 200 even if you say the salary is average $1.50, it's 200.
Aaron
00:43:41 – 00:43:47
So this is this is shooting low because we have Right. We have benefits, health care, insurance, all that. Right. $300,000,000.
Ian
00:43:47 – 00:43:49
There you go. That's the
Aaron
00:43:49 – 00:43:52
300 mil that's it. That's game over.
Ian
00:43:52 – 00:43:52
You lose.
Aaron
00:43:52 – 00:43:52
I mean,
Ian
00:43:52 – 00:43:57
they have revenues, obviously, and everything like that. So but yeah. So it could be it could be tight. It could be tight.
Aaron
00:43:57 – 00:44:06
Man, they're paying $300,000,000 in headcount, and I'm worried about selling, like, a hundred and $47 course. Like, what?
Ian
00:44:07 – 00:44:08
I really need to be companies, man.
Aaron
00:44:08 – 00:44:10
Gotta calibrate, man.
Ian
00:44:10 – 00:44:12
That's crazy. Of money in the world.
Aaron
00:44:12 – 00:44:13
A lot of money in the world.
Ian
00:44:13 – 00:44:14
Just one company.
Aaron
00:44:16 – 00:44:20
Yeah. Yeah. So see what happens. They're gonna lose. I mean, they're gonna lose.
Ian
00:44:20 – 00:44:38
I mean, WordPress, even, like, forever, for years and years until, like, I think it was like ten years ago now. But before when WordPress was, when WP Engine was being formed, using WP in company names and plugin names was what they said to do. That was the official thing they said.
Aaron
00:44:38 – 00:44:38
Yes.
Ian
00:44:38 – 00:44:51
Don't use WordPress, use WP. So that's what everybody did. And that's why there's WP X, Y, Z, and all this stuff. And so I just think it's gonna be a hard time to get them. I think there's so much bazillion pages of prior art.
Ian
00:44:51 – 00:44:57
Like every hosting company has WordPress hosting, like page ten, ten years
Aaron
00:44:57 – 00:44:58
of non enforcement.
Ian
00:44:59 – 00:45:09
Right. Or more. And like, even when he's like, this is why you're not supposed to go talk, on talk shows. But when when he's on with Theo, he's like calling out Prometheus in a good way. He's like, see, they're good actors.
Ian
00:45:09 – 00:45:46
And I wish they had gone the one extra step because they only went to the Prometheus homepage, which is like because they do other things besides WordPress. So it's not like WordPress, WordPress, WordPress, But one level deep they have a wordpress hosting landing page. That's wordpress wordpress wordpress It says wordpress 57 times or whatever and it's like just like wp engine like all of them have the same exact thing I don't know. And then we didn't even this hasn't even talked about on the show anyway, even last week was how in the last couple days, they've, like, done this crazy thing where they reported a vulnerability in the plug in that WP Engine runs. Well, they cut out.
Ian
00:45:46 – 00:45:50
Them out of the access to update the plug in. Yeah. It's like Saturday.
Aaron
00:45:51 – 00:46:01
Find a vulnerability, disclose it, and then go on Twitter and tweet that there's a vulnerability, which is, like, bad, bad, bad form. You do not do that.
Ian
00:46:01 – 00:46:12
And you know that they went and, like, alright. Five people or 10 people go dig through this plugin Yes. Until you find something that we can use against them. Like, that's the obvious thing that happened. Right?
Aaron
00:46:12 – 00:46:14
And No matter how flimsy it is.
Ian
00:46:14 – 00:46:20
Right. Whatever it is, we need to justify yeah. Who even knows? Right? It's like maybe it's something not even bad.
Ian
00:46:20 – 00:46:36
Maybe it's like, you have to do 30 steps. And at the end of the day, you can, like, update one field and it's not even a big deal, whatever. Mhmm. And we just wanna use it as this PR bashing against them, and he's out there saying everybody's gonna be moving because of this security vulnerability. It's, like, freaking insanity.
Ian
00:46:36 – 00:46:36
How is that not
Aaron
00:46:36 – 00:46:37
Insanity.
Ian
00:46:37 – 00:46:41
Against the cease and desist? How is that not like, the whole thing just seems
Aaron
00:46:41 – 00:46:45
It might be. We're about to find out. Yeah. Wow. I don't know.
Ian
00:46:45 – 00:46:45
Why?
Aaron
00:46:45 – 00:46:48
It's crazy. Glad glad that's not my space.
Ian
00:46:48 – 00:46:49
It's not even like
Aaron
00:46:49 – 00:46:51
Glad it's not my area of the Internet.
Ian
00:46:52 – 00:46:52
What we have to do.
Aaron
00:46:52 – 00:46:53
Yeah.
Ian
00:46:53 – 00:47:10
But it's like even if this was still owned by Jason Cohen and it was, like, a smaller operation in a sense Maybe it makes some sense Like whatever we're just gonna bowl over them But you're going after a private equity firm with a hundred billion dollars like you're never going to bowl over them like no they have infinite money It's
Aaron
00:47:10 – 00:47:15
gonna be like this gonna be such a show sense. It's gonna be so fun.
Ian
00:47:15 – 00:47:24
You can't bully them. They have all the money in the world. They'll just put lawyers on this forever and ever and ever. So I don't know. The whole thing is crazy.
Ian
00:47:24 – 00:47:33
They could literally sue you out of business. Like you're the one who's the small fry taking on the fly on like a made up issue with made up stuff for no reason.
Aaron
00:47:33 – 00:47:35
Like that's great content. That's great.
Ian
00:47:35 – 00:47:37
It is great content. It's very entertaining,
Aaron
00:47:37 – 00:47:38
but I'm excited to see what
Ian
00:47:38 – 00:47:39
stupid thing
Aaron
00:47:39 – 00:47:40
he does next.
Ian
00:47:40 – 00:47:42
Yeah. I don't know. Hopefully. I don't know. It's kind of sad.
Ian
00:47:42 – 00:47:49
It's like, it's like, it's like starting to move over to for me to sad. Like, if he's really just having some kind of breakdown
Aaron
00:47:49 – 00:47:50
actually not well.
Ian
00:47:50 – 00:47:52
Yeah. Like, if he's just legit
Aaron
00:47:52 – 00:47:54
not well real that would be real sad.
Ian
00:47:54 – 00:48:02
Then it's sad. You're just watching this person, like, break down in real time and that Yeah. I don't like. If it turns out he's, like, just thinks this is a good idea, then, yeah, they're fine.
Aaron
00:48:02 – 00:48:08
Yeah. Self inflicted stupid is funny, but, like Yeah. If he's not well, yeah, that's not very funny.
Ian
00:48:08 – 00:48:14
He's starting to make all these I don't know. It seems unwell. It seems like we've approached unwellness for some of the insane things.
Aaron
00:48:14 – 00:48:25
But Somebody on Hacker News was like, Matt, I'm saying this with all the love in my heart. Are do you have carbon monoxide poisoning? Like, you need to check you need to check your space because you're not the things you're saying don't make sense.
Ian
00:48:25 – 00:48:30
Right. It's like nonsensical. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that'd be something if it was something like that.
Aaron
00:48:30 – 00:48:31
Dude, that'd be crazy.
Ian
00:48:32 – 00:48:32
Yeah.
Aaron
00:48:32 – 00:48:36
That's gonna be my ultimate out for anything. If I do something extremely stupid,
Ian
00:48:36 – 00:48:37
I'd be
Aaron
00:48:37 – 00:48:43
like, oh, man. Must have been carbon monoxide poisoning. My my bad, guys. Stop.
Ian
00:48:44 – 00:48:51
That's how I use my gallbladder. Anything with pre gallbladder. I can't be held responsible for anything pre gallbladder. Yeah. I was not.
Aaron
00:48:51 – 00:48:56
Alright. You wanna do, you wanna do designers white on white on white? I've already heard
Ian
00:48:56 – 00:48:58
I you've never So busy. Said it out loud,
Aaron
00:48:58 – 00:49:07
but I've already heard it in your voice. So I I don't need to hear this segment. I've already heard this segment. I read the tweet, and I thought, yep. That sounds about right.
Aaron
00:49:07 – 00:49:07
So give us
Ian
00:49:07 – 00:49:08
so bad.
Aaron
00:49:08 – 00:49:09
Give us the pain.
Ian
00:49:09 – 00:49:18
So we we we use GitHub issues. Right? And I like GitHub issues. It's, you know, you got the PRs, still integrated, whatever. Great.
Ian
00:49:18 – 00:49:30
It's not very good on the project management front. Like, you know, they have a board thing now. It doesn't work very well. Like, you add something and you don't know what to do with it. You have to, like, it makes an issue, but not, it doesn't automatically make an issue.
Ian
00:49:30 – 00:49:42
Like, whatever. It's all kinds of weird stuff. It doesn't work very well is the unfortunate answer there. So like, all right, let's do something else. So we're playing with linear as one does in the modern era.
Ian
00:49:42 – 00:49:46
Right? You know, you're a developer. You gotta go to where the hotness is. Okay. The hotness is linear.
Ian
00:49:46 – 00:49:47
Let's go let's go check that out.
Aaron
00:49:47 – 00:49:51
You've been you've been following Dax too closely. You've got Dax build.
Ian
00:49:52 – 00:49:53
Does he like the linear? I thought he doesn't like
Aaron
00:49:53 – 00:50:01
the Oh. Or does he like the Dude, the only thing in the world that he likes. Right. Literally, the only thing he likes besides SST is linear.
Ian
00:50:01 – 00:50:05
But there, those guys are all caught up in, like, well, it's, like, all magic speed and stuff, but I don't care about any of that.
Aaron
00:50:05 – 00:50:06
I know.
Ian
00:50:06 – 00:50:13
Give me a button and a reloading thing. I can see the browser reload. I'll be totally fine. I don't I don't care. So, and it's fine.
Ian
00:50:13 – 00:50:26
We're probably gonna stick with it. It's good enough. It's got like the main thing that most of the tools don't have is like the multiple levels. Yeah. You can have like a project and then you can have a like a, you have a team and then you have a project and you have issues.
Ian
00:50:26 – 00:50:27
So you can have things at different
Aaron
00:50:28 – 00:50:30
So they invented folders. That's crazy. That's awesome. Yeah.
Ian
00:50:30 – 00:50:33
Folders. Yeah. Good for them. Nobody else has that.
Aaron
00:50:33 – 00:50:33
Mhmm.
Ian
00:50:33 – 00:50:54
Good. I like that. But every screen is just white with, like, light gray text and no differentiator between anything. If you go in any of the settings, it's just like, like buttons and text, all the same color. You have to read through everything every time because you can't, there's nowhere for your eye to go.
Ian
00:50:54 – 00:51:00
There's no colored buttons. There's no boxes. There's nothing. It's just white It's all
Aaron
00:51:00 – 00:51:02
border gray 50. B g gray 50.
Ian
00:51:02 – 00:51:09
You can't find where anything is. It's, it's unnavigatable. It's crazy. And, like, this is not even linear. Right?
Ian
00:51:09 – 00:51:25
This is, like, everybody is just building apps this way now. And it's, like, I'd like to clean this. It's great. But at the same time, like, you have to do the thing you wanted to do. And when I have to look at the, like like, I was in, like, the importing screen, and it was like, you wanna be careful.
Ian
00:51:25 – 00:51:27
Like, I don't wanna hit the wrong thing. No. You don't.
Aaron
00:51:28 – 00:51:28
The wrong thing.
Ian
00:51:29 – 00:51:37
Of what I'm doing more precisely. Give me some separation between things. Give me some colors. Give me some warnings. Give me it's got none of that stuff.
Ian
00:51:37 – 00:51:52
It's just like, here's white and gray and read through everything every time you go back to the screen because who knows what this button does. You get very cautious. And this is just the world that the designers live in now. And it's like, it's infected to me from, like, designers who are just making templates. Right?
Ian
00:51:52 – 00:52:00
That were always not real, which always Right. Very annoying to me. It's like, oh, look at the beautiful layout for the CRM. Yes. But there's no information on the screen.
Ian
00:52:00 – 00:52:05
And anybody who has a CRM wants maximum information All it is is, like, three
Aaron
00:52:05 – 00:52:06
charts at the top, which you're
Ian
00:52:06 – 00:52:07
not you're not gonna you're not
Aaron
00:52:07 – 00:52:21
gonna have three charts at the top. You just want information density. And then below it are, like, and below it are, like, avatars that are, like, 300 pixels wide so you can see the latest three users that signed up. You know, like, this looks gorgeous. It is unusable.
Ian
00:52:21 – 00:52:28
It's unused. I mean, especially when it's like a CRM or something. Look at the picture of your customer. Who the fuck has the picture of their customer?
Aaron
00:52:28 – 00:52:28
Cares.
Ian
00:52:28 – 00:52:32
Yes. First of all, you shouldn't care. Second of all, it's bad to probably even have it there.
Aaron
00:52:32 – 00:52:32
Like It's so bad.
Ian
00:52:32 – 00:52:37
Yeah. Also, you don't have it anyway. Nobody in the real world has a picture of their customer.
Aaron
00:52:37 – 00:52:38
Yep.
Ian
00:52:38 – 00:52:51
So, like, why is it taking up a quarter of the screen, this giant picture of the customer in this template? It's so dumb. So now those those designers have infected real applications where it's like, let's just make it all full of white space and no data.
Aaron
00:52:51 – 00:52:55
$300 to work on a button for a week. Yeah.
Ian
00:52:55 – 00:53:17
It's so infuriating. And it's like, I know you just know none of them have ever sat down and with anybody using the product and watch somebody use the product and be like, oh, they can't find that button for the third time in a row. That's why because that button shouldn't be white on the white background. It should probably have some kind of color to it, but they don't they don't do it. So that's that's my b.
Ian
00:53:17 – 00:53:38
That's my B I, you know, all these people are getting fired, right? They're all getting fired that they are they they're getting fired soon. And so my advice was to the ones who'd want to not get fired, learn how to do this a little bit better and not just make it look nice. Because someday when they run out of money, they're gonna be like, oh, we don't want it to just look nice. We want it to work nice.
Ian
00:53:38 – 00:53:42
And when that day comes, you wanna be the one who knows how to make it work nice. So so
Aaron
00:53:42 – 00:53:46
you're saying they're all getting fired because the money's dried up. Is that it?
Ian
00:53:46 – 00:53:51
I'm saying that's where stuff's heading. Right? Like, I mean, the same with WordPress. Right? Everybody raised all this money at ridiculous valuations.
Ian
00:53:52 – 00:53:59
Mhmm. And that day of reckoning is coming. How can you have 50 designers on one application? It doesn't make any sense. Like It makes
Aaron
00:53:59 – 00:54:00
no sense to me.
Ian
00:54:00 – 00:54:04
Real. All these businesses are with one designer, two designers. That's the real world, not 50.
Aaron
00:54:04 – 00:54:09
Are you calling for a return to maximalism? You're saying minimalism is over?
Ian
00:54:09 – 00:54:12
Could be. I maybe. I hope so. I like I
Aaron
00:54:12 – 00:54:14
hope so. Apps. I do too. Give me
Ian
00:54:15 – 00:54:15
I like data.
Aaron
00:54:15 – 00:54:21
The most information dense screen possible. I wanna see everything.
Ian
00:54:21 – 00:54:23
Everything. This is how up
Aaron
00:54:23 – 00:54:28
I want a heads up display that shows me the entire empire. That's what I want.
Ian
00:54:28 – 00:54:46
And the here's the thing. If you go outside of tech bubble world, right, where people are willing to put up with apps that look nice over function nice. Right? If you leave that world, every other app is nothing like that and is full of data density. That's what every single other app is.
Ian
00:54:46 – 00:54:53
Right? It's like you go to some account payable system. It's loaded. It's too much density probably, but it's like 8,000 fields. Right?
Ian
00:54:53 – 00:55:01
And it's like columns and data. Oh, how about a spreadsheet? A spreadsheet is the ultimate in density. It's like literally just boxes of information. Here you go.
Ian
00:55:01 – 00:55:02
As many as we can get
Aaron
00:55:02 – 00:55:10
on screen. The Microsoft Excel ribbon. The Microsoft Excel ribbon Ribbon. 400 buttons visible on the ribbon only.
Ian
00:55:12 – 00:55:25
Yes. Menu. And then in the menu, there's 4,000 other things, right? There's just stuff everywhere because people want to access the stuff. We don't want to go 40 layers deep or have to click next 70 times to see all the information.
Ian
00:55:25 – 00:55:42
We want it all in one place, give it to me in a big long list. So what's linear isn't too bad on that front. I will say in terms of the actual issues, it's like, okay, they're willing to give me a big long list and it's they're small and tight and okay. That part I like. So, yeah, I know.
Ian
00:55:42 – 00:55:46
But I feel like if you look at Salesforce, if you look at any of it, like any real application
Aaron
00:55:46 – 00:55:48
I'm not liking it Salesforce. I'm not doing that.
Ian
00:55:48 – 00:56:07
Customers. None of them are white on white boxes where you can't differentiate between different areas and functionality. None of them are like, it's all white space with one little box in the middle of the feature. Real businesses and business people want data that they can access and use and utilize. That's what we're going for.
Aaron
00:56:08 – 00:56:10
It was worth it. It was so worth it.
Ian
00:56:12 – 00:56:20
Don't get fired. Be the one who knows how the app works. What people are trying to do. This is where Add add a little bit of color, y'all.
Aaron
00:56:21 – 00:56:22
Add some color to the designs.
Ian
00:56:22 – 00:56:35
You could probably do it without color. Right? Like, maybe with just black and white, you could do it. I don't know. But, like, there's still ways to, like, separate things and have areas and not just let everything meld together into an amorphous blob of whiteness and text.
Ian
00:56:35 – 00:56:43
There has to be horizontal lines. I don't know. There's white little drawn arrow things that you show or whatever. Oh, a
Aaron
00:56:43 – 00:56:45
little a little hand drawn arrow guy already.
Ian
00:56:45 – 00:56:47
Hand drawn arrow. I like a hand drawn arrow.
Aaron
00:56:48 – 00:56:59
You would be laughed out of a design conference at this point in history for suggesting a little cute hand drawn. They would say, get out of here. Imposter. There's no way.
Ian
00:57:00 – 00:57:06
Did you see the notion soul, the face of the, obsidian little bit? I saw
Aaron
00:57:06 – 00:57:16
a little bit of of drama about that. The the Obsidian Capano or something is is his name. Yeah. They, like, stole his line drawn avatar or something like that.
Ian
00:57:16 – 00:57:17
That's kinda weird.
Aaron
00:57:17 – 00:57:17
Who knows?
Ian
00:57:18 – 00:57:24
I don't I don't think they actually stole it, but it is weird. Like, you have this competitor, and you're using the same exact face as them.
Aaron
00:57:24 – 00:57:27
Notion. Don't get it. Don't get it. Don't care to get it. Yeah.
Aaron
00:57:28 – 00:57:30
Anything else on white on white?
Ian
00:57:31 – 00:57:35
I think we covered it. What's your what's your thoughts? We didn't get your take on it. Are you a white on white man, or are you,
Aaron
00:57:36 – 00:57:40
No. No. I'm not. I'm also not a proper designer, so Yeah. That would explain that.
Aaron
00:57:41 – 00:57:59
I feel I feel the same way. I like I like the clean, sleek designs. I haven't used linear, but I do agree that, like, the white background with the and then the stuff that's offset is b g gray 50. It's like, oh, am I 35? Because I can't I can barely see the differentiation there.
Aaron
00:58:01 – 00:58:07
So, yeah, I'm I'm I'm with you on that. I don't feel I don't feel it quite as, in my bones as you do. But Just
Ian
00:58:07 – 00:58:16
I just I hit one too many of them. You know? It's just like, if you hit one too many, it just sends you over that. You're like, can we just have some give me something. Give me a little separation.
Aaron
00:58:17 – 00:58:18
Well, the pendulum will swing.
Ian
00:58:18 – 00:58:23
Not 20. You you we gotta cater to us old people who are trying to buy your software.
Aaron
00:58:23 – 00:58:28
That's right. The pendulum will swing. We'll get back to maximalism, skeuomorphic, whatever.
Ian
00:58:28 – 00:58:29
Skeuomorphic. Oh,
Aaron
00:58:29 – 00:58:32
yeah. Yeah. Give me some leather stitching. Leather. Yeah.
Aaron
00:58:32 – 00:58:32
That's what
Ian
00:58:32 – 00:58:35
I was. A leather desktop surface. That's what
Aaron
00:58:35 – 00:58:40
I'm talking about. A notebook? I know it's a notebook. It's got leather. It's stitched.
Aaron
00:58:40 – 00:58:43
I know that I'm supposed to take my notes in here. That much is obvious.
Ian
00:58:44 – 00:58:48
Yellow. Give me a nice yellow with you all. Man. Absolutely. We
Aaron
00:58:48 – 00:58:51
had it good. If only we had known. If only we had known.
Ian
00:58:51 – 00:58:54
I did like that. I did like that iPhone error. That was a good error.
Aaron
00:58:54 – 00:58:59
It was a good error. So you know what happens one week from tomorrow?
Ian
00:58:59 – 00:59:03
One week from tomorrow. Do I have any way to actually know this or know what I'd be happy
Aaron
00:59:03 – 00:59:06
to pull this? Many, many ways.
Ian
00:59:06 – 00:59:08
Oh, I know. Postgres course.
Aaron
00:59:09 – 00:59:16
Postgres course. Woo hoo. One week from tomorrow. That's not very many days.
Ian
00:59:16 – 00:59:20
Good thing. Deathly ill was perfect timing for your deathly illness.
Aaron
00:59:20 – 00:59:23
Man, yes. Yeah. So
Ian
00:59:24 – 00:59:27
it going? So did you catch up at post deathly illness? Okay.
Aaron
00:59:27 – 00:59:41
I think so. There this is all it's all a mental game. It's just so difficult, man. So So I think I'm caught up. I'm not as I wish I wish I was done, but I'm not.
Aaron
00:59:43 – 00:59:47
But what I have left is doable, so that's good.
Ian
00:59:47 – 00:59:48
That's good. I do know.
Aaron
00:59:48 – 01:00:05
There were many, many times Steve and I were on the phone, and we were like, are we gonna, like do we have to push this thing? And it would be it would be fine to push it, but we publicly committed to October 15. Yeah. We have the, you know, Zeta. We've told Zeta it's coming October 15.
Aaron
01:00:06 – 01:00:11
And then if you push too far, suddenly you're into November. Nobody cares.
Ian
01:00:11 – 01:00:13
Yeah. I don't like that. You don't wanna be, like,
Aaron
01:00:13 – 01:00:14
going in November launching something.
Ian
01:00:14 – 01:00:15
That seems
Aaron
01:00:15 – 01:00:25
bad. Not even a little bit. Yeah. So it was touch and go there for a minute. But last week, I I cranked out I mean, last week, I probably cranked out 30 videos.
Aaron
01:00:26 – 01:00:43
Wow. Yeah. After after being dead on Monday. So it was it was, you know, I'm I'm recording all day, going home, putting the kids to bed, coming back up here, recording at night, recording on, you know, Saturday afternoon because it's nap time. I'm up here.
Aaron
01:00:44 – 01:00:55
So I I probably have, you know, I probably have 20 or 30 more that I wanna do this week, which will bring us to it's gotta be 80 or 90 for launch.
Ian
01:00:56 – 01:00:56
Holy cow.
Aaron
01:00:57 – 01:01:17
Is enormous. And then after launch, there's there's a lot more I gotta do. Like, there are entire modules that I got I'll have to do after launch once we're you know, we'll be in an early access period for a little while. It's enormous. It is by far the biggest, most in-depth course that I have done, and it is just destroying me.
Ian
01:01:18 – 01:01:28
It's awesome. Survey, like, the landscape out there because I just feel like that's even like a whole marketing angle. Like, this is the most in-depth video Postgres course there is. Like, I feel like, yeah, I
Aaron
01:01:28 – 01:01:29
think that
Ian
01:01:29 – 01:01:30
is true. The, like
Aaron
01:01:30 – 01:01:33
I think that is true. And I find saying that until proven wrong. Because I'm
Ian
01:01:33 – 01:01:35
Yeah. Yeah. Very confident. Yeah. Just go with it.
Ian
01:01:35 – 01:01:41
Just say it is. And, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think there's video courses I've taken or even like Lara Cash stuff. It's like, oh, there's, oh, a big one.
Ian
01:01:41 – 01:01:46
It's like, wow. There's 20 videos, and they're like Mhmm. You know, things like that. 90 is
Aaron
01:01:47 – 01:02:02
insane. It's insane. It's insane. But it's it's turning out really good. And it's fun because Steve is kinda like the ideal buyer on this because Steve, has used Postgres for a long time, so he's familiar.
Aaron
01:02:02 – 01:02:16
He's a developer, but he's not like he's not like a database guy. He's just like a full stack developer. And so I'm getting the feedback from him as he's watching through and editing them of, like, oh, wow. I didn't know that. Oh, I just learned that.
Aaron
01:02:16 – 01:02:20
Oh, this is cool. Oh, that's cool. Oh, okay. This is good news. This is gonna work.
Aaron
01:02:20 – 01:02:27
People are gonna like this. So, yeah, it's brutal. Brutal.
Ian
01:02:27 – 01:02:41
Are you doing, I hope you're not doing I mean, I after this, you're gonna have to do, like, you you have some more videos you wanted to do for SQLite, I think. Obviously, it's gonna probably be more Postgres videos. And And then you're not gonna do anything after this, I hope, for a while.
Aaron
01:02:41 – 01:02:58
No. So no more courses for a little while. No more courses that I am the instructor for. Right. There's a 95% chance we produce a SQLite Rails course, but I will not be the instructor for it.
Aaron
01:02:59 – 01:03:18
Oh, interesting. Yeah. So that'll be fun. So I've, you know, been talking with this guy who's extremely smart and talented, and I think we're gonna do the SQLite Rails kind of under the the try hard slash high performance SQLite umbrella, but without me as the instructor. Mhmm.
Aaron
01:03:18 – 01:03:46
So that'll be that'll be a a not a test, like, an experiment. It'll be an experiment to see how well, that does. So that'll be fun. But, yeah, after after this, November and December are gonna be dedicated to to doing, just some fun stuff, a little bit a little bit of silliness. So there are gonna be some things we do in November and December that you're like, Aaron, that's a terrible idea.
Aaron
01:03:47 – 01:04:10
And I'm I'm aware of that, and I'm optimizing I'm optimizing for fun a little bit. Nice. But still, you know, still content, viable business, that sort of thing, but not, like, what is the most ruthless thing I could do? Because the most ruthless thing I could do is probably immediately start on either MySQL, Redis, or SQL Server or something like that. And I'm just not I'm not gonna do that.
Aaron
01:04:10 – 01:04:11
I'm not doing that right now.
Ian
01:04:11 – 01:04:14
Yeah. I have a counterpoint view here.
Aaron
01:04:14 – 01:04:14
Okay.
Ian
01:04:14 – 01:04:30
In addition to your fun, you know, your, summer of fun post, post release course Mhmm. I think you should put in five hours a week k. For marketing the SQLite course and or the Postgres course.
Aaron
01:04:30 – 01:04:31
Ah, yes. Definitely.
Ian
01:04:31 – 01:04:49
I think that would be a good idea. Like, when because you have stuff you have, like, Black Friday sale, Cyber Monday, do all that stuff. New Year's. I do a just relaunch all the relaunch points you're supposed to relaunch these things at. And just keep trip chipping away at, like, you know, building up their sustainable business Agreed.
Ian
01:04:49 – 01:04:49
Potential.
Aaron
01:04:50 – 01:05:13
Not even not even a counterpoint. That is a yes and. Because the, like, the bulk of the, you know, creative energy is going to go towards, these fun silly things. But they're like the the time spent working is going to be on how do we turn this what we have now into, like, a viable long term business. Yeah.
Aaron
01:05:13 – 01:05:31
And I'm optimistic. I'm extremely optimistic, especially as we get Postgres out there. I think our ability to do, like, outbound sales goes way, way up. Like, we Yeah. There are big companies with lots of people using Postgres.
Aaron
01:05:31 – 01:05:57
And so our ability to we've already, in fact, looked at through the domains of people that signed up for the waiting list, and it's like, oh, shoot. We gotta call, oh, we gotta call these people. These are big companies, man. And so doing stuff like that, I think, is gonna be so fun, because, hopefully, it's you know, it will be work, but it's a different kind of work. I'm not gonna be in here, you know, recording for Yeah.
Aaron
01:05:57 – 01:06:07
Twelve hours a day. But money is gonna come out on the other end. All the recording is, like, speculative. It's like, I think this is gonna work. I think this will make money in a month from now.
Aaron
01:06:07 – 01:06:26
But if we can nail, like, a cold outbound sales or maybe not even cold, if it's warm because people sign up, we can just land and expand. Yeah. It'll be interesting. I need to go back and listen to the episode that we did with Jeffrey Way because we talked about this. Do you remember when he was like, oh, I've got people that signed up from Disney?
Aaron
01:06:26 – 01:06:28
Yeah. I can just look at their domain, and it says Disney
Ian
01:06:29 – 01:06:29
actually done it.
Aaron
01:06:29 – 01:06:37
He's never talked to anybody. I'm like, oh, I'm Jeffrey now. I need to go listen and listen for that advice because Yeah. Yeah. That's what I need to do.
Aaron
01:06:37 – 01:06:41
So yeah. It's gonna be a big, big relief.
Ian
01:06:42 – 01:07:07
If a partner angle for you two would be, this just popped in my head. It's like so, like, obviously, like, the Postgres in our world, it's like, oh, yeah. The Postgres is like the business y real platform people are using. SQLite is a little bit more of a newcomer kind of individual devs are working with it, but it's not like you're having company meetings around your SQLite usage and like whatever. You don't have a SQLite team and whatever.
Aaron
01:07:07 – 01:07:08
Most likely that. Correct.
Ian
01:07:08 – 01:07:16
There is a world where that is true SQLite and that's mobile because every mobile app uses SQLite as its database. And there's a lot of those.
Aaron
01:07:16 – 01:07:17
That's a great point.
Ian
01:07:17 – 01:07:32
So I wonder if there could be somebody, somebody to do, SQLite for mobile version of the course, or even just selling it into that market the way it is. I don't recall if it's like, might be a little too much other stuff in there, but it's a lot of mobile devs. There's a lot of mobile apps. They're all using SQL light
Aaron
01:07:32 – 01:07:33
for react native.
Ian
01:07:33 – 01:07:35
Yeah. Something like that. Yep.
Aaron
01:07:35 – 01:07:38
Do you hate it? I got I got the most waffly audio.
Ian
01:07:38 – 01:07:52
Yeah. I just don't know. I don't know enough about it to know if, like, if you'd wanna limit it to that or if it's like just SQLite for mobile and, like, there's a React Native, angle. There's but there's also, like, whatever the Apple framework thing is or whatever, you know. Yeah.
Ian
01:07:52 – 01:07:55
Swift and whatever the hell Android uses. Like
Aaron
01:07:55 – 01:07:56
Who knows?
Ian
01:07:56 – 01:07:57
I don't know.
Aaron
01:07:57 – 01:07:59
But I Interesting. That's a great idea.
Ian
01:08:00 – 01:08:04
Market. Like, because every single mobile app, SQLite is the database. Correct.
Aaron
01:08:05 – 01:08:06
Fantastic idea, Ian.
Ian
01:08:06 – 01:08:12
Seems like that's a market, and that's in production. People are really using it. People are hitting problems. People are hitting performance issues.
Aaron
01:08:12 – 01:08:49
So here's here's my, here's my charge to the dear listener. Hit me up with a Yo dog if if you think if you think you know someone who could do a, course who could be an instructor on a course for either SQLite for React Native or SQLite for Swift or SQLite for mobile as kind of an umbrella. Because I'm willing I'm super willing to entertain that as an adjunct course because I do think I do think the flagship adjunct is a good model. So you have the flagship course on SQLite and then the adjunct on Rails, mobile, whatever, Laravel mentions. Variations.
Ian
01:08:49 – 01:08:55
Yeah. Yeah. That's kinda nice because you've done all the core research. Right? So then it's easier to hand off to somebody to be like, okay.
Ian
01:08:55 – 01:09:07
Like now just, you know, you're updating examples and Right. Obviously there's gonna be specific things for those platforms that might need to be tweaked, but kind of you have the core element. Now you can just make these variations. Yeah. That's pretty interesting.
Aaron
01:09:07 – 01:09:20
I like this. I need to find I need to find an instructor. And I think I don't know. But I think our deal with the instructors is basically gonna be, hey. You fly to us for a week or we'll fly to you for a week, and we're gonna do this thing up.
Aaron
01:09:20 – 01:09:31
Like, we're gonna do this thing upright. It's not gonna be, hey, why don't you use your crappy webcam in your basement, and we'll just, like, try to put a little shine on it. Yeah. That's not the way we work.
Ian
01:09:31 – 01:09:32
I like that.
Aaron
01:09:32 – 01:09:35
So, yeah, I think we're trying to do something a little bit different there.
Ian
01:09:36 – 01:09:39
Yeah. I think keeping the quality really high to your guys' standards.
Aaron
01:09:39 – 01:09:40
Yeah. Exactly.
Ian
01:09:41 – 01:09:47
Yeah. I don't know. Do you think you could send them, like, a kit? Could you just have a kit that you send people and it's, like, everything you need? It's, like, a good camera.
Ian
01:09:47 – 01:09:54
It's the right it's a tripod. It's mics. It's, whatever. Or you think
Aaron
01:09:54 – 01:09:54
it'll be Possibly.
Ian
01:09:54 – 01:09:56
Still it's lights, or is it
Aaron
01:09:56 – 01:09:57
gonna be
Ian
01:09:57 – 01:09:58
too much on the setup?
Aaron
01:09:58 – 01:10:08
I think it's gonna be too much. The middle ground would be Steve flies to you for a day and sets up your space. Yeah. And then you can ship it all back to us later.
Ian
01:10:09 – 01:10:11
Yeah. That might be interesting. That
Aaron
01:10:11 – 01:10:13
might that might that might be doable. But because I could see
Ian
01:10:13 – 01:10:15
it taking more than a week. Right? Like, some
Aaron
01:10:16 – 01:10:34
Well, that's the other benefit of that model is, like, we would have to work for a month or two ahead of time to get everything, like Right. All the videos, all the modules, all the content squared away such that when I arrive or when Steve and I arrive, it's set up, record. Yeah. That's it.
Ian
01:10:34 – 01:10:35
Right.
Aaron
01:10:35 – 01:10:51
And I think there's something, like, Jeffrey has said many times publicly that the hardest part about guest instructors is getting them to finish their course. And, like, I get that. I feel that. And so that kinda, like, time boxing seems nice.
Ian
01:10:51 – 01:10:51
That's true.
Aaron
01:10:51 – 01:10:56
Because I imagine most of these people have full time jobs. And if it's like, hey. Just do it when you can. I don't know if it'll ever get done.
Ian
01:10:56 – 01:11:04
Yeah. If it's like, you gotta take a week off work. We're gonna come out there. We're gonna be with you. Everybody's motivated and cheering each other on and getting it done.
Ian
01:11:04 – 01:11:06
Yeah. I like that.
Aaron
01:11:07 – 01:11:20
Yeah. So that's the plan. But, yeah, November November, December, gonna be a little bit of silly season. We're gonna we're gonna do a physical product, so brace yourself.
Ian
01:11:20 – 01:11:22
Is it? Tell us what your physical product is there.
Aaron
01:11:22 – 01:11:24
No. No. No. No. Come on.
Aaron
01:11:24 – 01:11:34
Turntables do not turn. No, sir. That is not how it works. I'm actually going to do it, and so we need to save the we need, we need to save the big reveal for when I actually
Ian
01:11:34 – 01:11:37
do it. Okay. But Alright. You You'll know
Aaron
01:11:37 – 01:11:39
it you'll know it when you see it.
Ian
01:11:39 – 01:11:40
Big? Small?
Aaron
01:11:41 – 01:11:41
Small.
Ian
01:11:41 – 01:11:42
Is it electronic?
Aaron
01:11:43 – 01:11:50
It's not electronic, and it's not it's not apparel yet. We're gonna do apparel one day, but it's not apparel yet.
Ian
01:11:50 – 01:11:51
Okay.
Aaron
01:11:51 – 01:11:58
So it's not just like slapping a logo on a Right. On a d directed garment printer and saying buy our stuff.
Ian
01:11:59 – 01:12:04
This isn't like, something you can get off Printful or something like that. You're going to construct this or have it constructed
Aaron
01:12:04 – 01:12:05
to your specifications
Ian
01:12:06 – 01:12:07
or whatever. Okay.
Aaron
01:12:07 – 01:12:19
This is not this is not an API an API call third party deliver. This is this is Aaron for better or worse. Aaron's getting worse. Definitely worse. Aaron's gonna get the tools out.
Aaron
01:12:19 – 01:12:22
Aaron's gonna do something stupid. Yeah.
Ian
01:12:22 – 01:12:28
Well, that part's fun. I see that part's not the bad part. The bad part is, like, boxing and shipping and all that. Yeah. That's the bad part.
Aaron
01:12:28 – 01:12:40
There there is, of course, a possibility that we make, you know, provided it works, we make a ton of them and ship them in bulk to, a third party logistics company.
Ian
01:12:40 – 01:12:40
Right.
Aaron
01:12:40 – 01:12:56
There's one called Slingshot that I know the founders of, and they're fantastic. And so maybe, you know, if we sell more we sell more than a hundred and it's like, oh, this is I'm boxing 20 of these things a day. Game over.
Ian
01:12:56 – 01:12:57
Yeah. I'm making I'm
Aaron
01:12:57 – 01:13:02
making as many as I can, and I'm shipping them to Georgia, and they're gonna fulfill them out of there. So I I did
Ian
01:13:02 – 01:13:04
stickers ones for Lara Jobs.
Aaron
01:13:05 – 01:13:07
Humongous mistake. Huge mistake.
Ian
01:13:07 – 01:13:15
Nobody even knows how to write their own address. It's all a disaster. Yeah. Okay. So do you have a workshop at the new house?
Aaron
01:13:16 – 01:13:18
I have a garage. I don't have, like, a workshop.
Ian
01:13:18 – 01:13:21
Okay. That's where you're gonna build this stuff? Is there
Aaron
01:13:21 – 01:13:22
a way? Yeah. I'll probably
Ian
01:13:22 – 01:13:26
So it's not a limited run. You're not saying I'm only making a hundred.
Aaron
01:13:26 – 01:13:34
You're just Maybe open borders. Yeah. Maybe I'll start as a limited run just to, like, cap cap my downside, my time downside.
Ian
01:13:34 – 01:13:38
I think it's, like, cool. People like having the b one too. It's like, oh, I had the b one.
Aaron
01:13:38 – 01:13:40
Yeah. We're doing a limited run then. Yeah.
Ian
01:13:40 – 01:13:48
Yeah. And then, like, you could have b two that's, like, maybe Yep. Change it, of course, a little bit with some feedback, but also that's, like, b two. That's distinct from the collectors. I
Aaron
01:13:49 – 01:13:56
You know what? Honestly, I bet I bet I do 90% of this manufacturing in my former neighbor's garage.
Ian
01:13:56 – 01:13:56
Okay.
Aaron
01:13:56 – 01:14:06
So I'm gonna go back to where I used to live and go to my neighbor's house where I built the shed, and Right. I'm gonna use his he's got a proper wood shop in his Mhmm. In his garage.
Ian
01:14:06 – 01:14:07
So it's wood?
Aaron
01:14:08 – 01:14:10
Which kind of thing? Of it is. Yeah. Interesting.
Ian
01:14:11 – 01:14:12
Yeah. The hell is
Aaron
01:14:13 – 01:14:29
And then and then if this works, here's the ultimate plan. If this works, we'll probably rent this apartment for one more year. So the the lease is up in, like, January, February, or something. So as long as the fire marshal doesn't come in here and was like, you built a wall, you gotta tear down
Ian
01:14:29 – 01:14:29
the wall.
Aaron
01:14:30 – 01:14:51
We'll rent it for one more year. Mhmm. And then, hopefully, after that, we can rent, like, a, like, a super cheap light industrial. You know, we can rent, like, a 2,000 square foot with a roll up door, turn it into, like, a YouTube studio. Because part of the problem is, like, we wanna change backgrounds for different courses, and it's you can't do that.
Ian
01:14:52 – 01:14:52
We can't
Aaron
01:14:52 – 01:15:04
do that. But if the backgrounds are on wheels and we've got a we've got a big old warehouse, we can just kinda roll stuff around and do my light manufacturing in the corner. It's gonna be great. It's gonna be great. People have no imagination anymore.
Aaron
01:15:04 – 01:15:06
You gotta rent a light industrial warehouse.
Ian
01:15:07 – 01:15:19
I just don't like where they are. You end up being in, like, the crappy part of towns, no food, whatever. I know. Like, maybe you could find just the right spot that's, like, got, you know, not not too far off the beaten path. That'd be kinda cool.
Ian
01:15:19 – 01:15:24
That'd be pretty cool. Is this, alright. One more hint. Yeah. Over or under a hundred dollars?
Aaron
01:15:25 – 01:15:25
Under.
Ian
01:15:26 – 01:15:28
Okay. Handmade by Aaron himself.
Aaron
01:15:28 – 01:15:28
Mhmm.
Ian
01:15:28 – 01:15:30
Get it in time to put it in your stockings.
Aaron
01:15:30 – 01:15:34
Mhmm. Get it in time for the new year. That's all I'll say.
Ian
01:15:34 – 01:15:41
Okay. Alright. Do you wanna open up any sort of competition for people to guess and win a prize?
Aaron
01:15:43 – 01:16:07
Sure. If you guess if you guess what it is, I'm I can't I can't give you one for free because unlike software, there's physical there's actual costs here. If you guess, I will give you, some sort of massive discount on the first run. So if you guess what it is, maybe I'll give you, like, 50% off, and you can decide to buy one or not if you want. But if you get if you get it right, I'll give you a coupon code.
Ian
01:16:07 – 01:16:16
I mean, it's less than a hundred dollars. So here's what I say. I I will buy you one for free. So if somebody guesses Magnanimous. One person gets one.
Ian
01:16:16 – 01:16:19
If multiple people get Okay. That's fine. Then it goes into a If
Aaron
01:16:19 – 01:16:28
you'll buy one you'll buy one, I'll buy one. So the first two people to get it right, you'll get one for free. I like that. I was thinking, you know, if a bunch of people guess, I'm gonna be broke. Alright.
Aaron
01:16:28 – 01:16:33
First two people, mostly technical@Gmail.com?
Ian
01:16:34 – 01:16:41
Mostly technicalpodcast@Gmail.com. Got the spreadsheet. Public, though? You want them to do a private or public?
Aaron
01:16:42 – 01:16:44
I don't I don't want them to I don't wanna
Ian
01:16:44 – 01:16:45
You don't wanna spoil?
Aaron
01:16:45 – 01:16:47
I don't want them to spoil it. Yeah. Okay.
Ian
01:16:48 – 01:16:56
Alright. Mostly technical podcast at g mail dot com. Send me your guesses. First two to guess correctly. This way we have a date and time and all that.
Ian
01:16:56 – 01:17:00
That's like Yeah. So first two to guess correctly, get, get one free.
Aaron
01:17:01 – 01:17:05
And we'll we'll read we'll read some of the guesses out on the show because I bet there are gonna be a lot of wrong guesses.
Ian
01:17:06 – 01:17:07
It's gonna be fun.
Aaron
01:17:07 – 01:17:11
We can't reveal I'm not gonna reveal the right guess until the time
Ian
01:17:11 – 01:17:12
is gone. Spell that.
Aaron
01:17:12 – 01:17:16
But we'll we'll read out some wrong guesses or right, who knows, on the show. That's true.
Ian
01:17:16 – 01:17:21
We could mix in the right one. That would be great. Uh-huh. If there is a right one out there. Alright.
Ian
01:17:21 – 01:17:26
So we know it's partially wooden. It's gonna cost less than a hundred dollars. Aaron can build it himself.
Aaron
01:17:26 – 01:17:27
Correct.
Ian
01:17:27 – 01:17:36
It doesn't sound like it's physically huge. So it's relatively small. I think those are the hints we have. So, yeah. And you'll probably
Aaron
01:17:36 – 01:17:38
want it in time for the new year probably.
Ian
01:17:39 – 01:17:49
And he's been very specific, not Christmas, new year. So this is something New Year's ish related. Oh, I think I have a guess, actually. I'm not gonna say. I think I can
Aaron
01:17:49 – 01:17:49
do it.
Ian
01:17:49 – 01:17:52
Don't say. Don't say. Okay. Alright.
Aaron
01:17:53 – 01:17:53
There you go.
Ian
01:17:53 – 01:18:11
I'm gonna enter my own contest. Alright. I wanna touch on this one last thing quick that you Uh-uh. Made a stir on the Internet while we were while you were sick. So your wife leaves you cute Post it notes.
Aaron
01:18:11 – 01:18:14
The best. The best. Just the just the best. As me
Ian
01:18:14 – 01:18:15
and my daughter would say.
Aaron
01:18:15 – 01:18:25
It's just the best. I've got one right here next to the camera. I've got one taped in my car next to, like, the the shifter. Just got notes everywhere, man. It's just the best.
Aaron
01:18:26 – 01:18:26
Okay.
Ian
01:18:26 – 01:18:34
That's a lot of notes. My wife has done the note thing. Often, if there's, like, some reason I have a lunch or something like that, she has snuck in the note into, the lunch
Aaron
01:18:34 – 01:18:35
We do love that.
Ian
01:18:35 – 01:18:45
Type of thing or, I think one's on a trip. Like, she put it in my, bag or whatever. But, yeah, you're getting a lot of notes. This is like Getting
Aaron
01:18:45 – 01:19:01
a lot of notes. It's they they especially come yeah. I need a lot of encouragement. They especially come around, you know, time times of great trial. And so, like, you know, record being gone before they're like, last week, no.
Aaron
01:19:01 – 01:19:08
Last week was the week I was sick. The week before, I left the house so early that the coffee shop that I go to wasn't open yet.
Ian
01:19:08 – 01:19:11
I mean, nobody's Nobody's seen you. Like Yeah. You're just there.
Aaron
01:19:11 – 01:19:25
And so I'm I'm out of the house at 05:30, and I'm like, well, I guess I'll go to Starbucks because it's the only one that's open. Yeah. Come up here, record all day, then, you know, go home, and then I come back up to the office to record more. And so that's when I'm getting the notes that are like
Ian
01:19:25 – 01:19:25
Yeah.
Aaron
01:19:25 – 01:19:46
Thank you for all your hard work. It's gonna work. Like, you're doing great. That kind of stuff. And the one that's in my car, I think, was the day I was going in for, my, discectomy, my microdiscectomy when I had the slit, herniated disc many years ago.
Ian
01:19:46 – 01:19:46
Okay.
Aaron
01:19:46 – 01:20:00
And it was just a note, like, on my, I think it was, like, on my keys or my insurance card when I woke up that morning, and it was just like, you can do it. I love you so much and stuff like that. I'm like, yeah. Staying in the car, man. I gotta keep that in the car.
Aaron
01:20:00 – 01:20:01
We love it. We love a note.
Ian
01:20:01 – 01:20:06
Love a note. That stuff that it does work too. It's very It works. Encouraging. Yeah.
Aaron
01:20:06 – 01:20:06
Yeah.
Ian
01:20:06 – 01:20:08
It is. It does spruce you up.
Aaron
01:20:08 – 01:20:09
It does.
Ian
01:20:09 – 01:20:12
The Internet seemed torn, maybe. I don't know. I think they were alright with it overall.
Aaron
01:20:12 – 01:20:20
I think it was seventy thirty. I think a lot of a lot of guys were like, yep. I get them too. Changes my life. Couldn't do anything without them.
Aaron
01:20:20 – 01:20:27
And some guys were like, oh, the only ones I ever get are like, honey, make sure you do this stupid thing. And I'm like, oh, it sucks, man. Sorry.
Ian
01:20:28 – 01:20:29
Too bad for you.
Aaron
01:20:29 – 01:20:38
Yeah. You had any white? Suck. Yeah. But I understand it's not, it's not that meaningful for some guys, so it doesn't super matter.
Aaron
01:20:38 – 01:20:44
My wife also buys me flowers from time to time. It's great. I love it. I know. Interesting.
Aaron
01:20:44 – 01:20:45
That's great.
Ian
01:20:45 – 01:20:46
You bought her flowers?
Aaron
01:20:46 – 01:20:47
Of course. I don't know if I
Ian
01:20:47 – 01:20:50
ever bought me flowers. I don't
Aaron
01:20:50 – 01:20:51
think so. That's great. I love flowers.
Ian
01:20:51 – 01:20:59
She does make like, she'll make food items or buy food items that I enjoy. That's, like, that's kinda more on my own.
Aaron
01:20:59 – 01:20:59
Yeah. That counts.
Ian
01:20:59 – 01:21:03
Size of the flowers. Alright. I think that's the show. It's a wrap.
Aaron
01:21:03 – 01:21:04
Wrap it.
Ian
01:21:05 – 01:21:21
Thanks everybody for listening. Good for us to both be on here together. We'll see if we can do it again next week. Check us out. Mostly technical Com at mostly tech pod on Twitter and mostly technicalpodcast@gmail.com, especially this week.
Ian
01:21:21 – 01:21:31
Send in your guesses. We'll read them out on the show, some of them anyway, next week. And, we'll see you later. Thanks, guys. Bye.
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