Aaron Francis

Ian & Aaron discuss what's new with Screencasting.com & HelloQuery, why LinkedIn might not be terrible, and why 2024 is going to be the year of Livewire. Sponsored by LaraJobs & HelloQuery. Sent questions or feedback to mostlytechnicalpodcast@gmail.com

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Transcript

Ian

00:00:02 – 00:00:03

Hello.

Aaron

00:00:04 – 00:00:09

Welcome back. We're gonna start right away. I got a bone to pick with you, Ian.

Ian

00:00:09 – 00:00:10

Oh, baby.

Aaron

00:00:10 – 00:00:12

Yeah. Welcome home from vacation.

Ian

00:00:12 – 00:00:13

Welcome to the podcast.

Aaron

00:00:13 – 00:00:13

You said

Ian

00:00:14 – 00:00:14

controversy.

Aaron

00:00:14 – 00:00:38

You said on Twitter that Taylor Swift is the greatest businessperson of her generation as if Taylor Swift and I weren't born in 19 89, the same year. So here's here's the issue. If we're judging by money or sold out sold out stadiums or cultural impact or Sure. Platinum albums, sure. Fine.

Aaron

00:00:38 – 00:00:48

She's the best. If we're judging by GitHub repos, I'm I'm on the list. I gotta I gotta be above her. Right?

Ian

00:00:49 – 00:00:50

You have to be. Right?

Aaron

00:00:50 – 00:00:50

I think

Ian

00:00:50 – 00:00:52

so. I can imagine My point

Aaron

00:00:52 – 00:00:55

is what are we judging on is the question.

Ian

00:00:55 – 00:01:00

I can't imagine her GitHub repo game is as strong as yours. Right? Like, I I just can't.

Aaron

00:01:00 – 00:01:04

I just can't. I was just looking for a little, like, a little nuance to the conversation.

Ian

00:01:06 – 00:01:10

Oh, man. Yeah. No. It's, she's so good. I don't know.

Ian

00:01:10 – 00:01:10

But yeah.

Aaron

00:01:10 – 00:01:22

So she's now selling she's now outselling, like, Avengers in pre what is it? She's she's doing a a concert movie that she's preselling?

Ian

00:01:23 – 00:01:48

Yeah. So she's had, like, the biggest concert series ever over this past year, and it actually continues into next year. But, you know, tickets are I don't know. A friend of mine, just bought tickets for, like, $3,000 ticket for next November. Audio recording videos of herself.

Ian

00:01:48 – 00:02:06

I think all artists do this. Like, they record the audio and the video, whatever, just in case they ever wanna use it for something. But she's obviously got more of a plan than that, and she's releasing it in, in the movie theaters. So you can go see it in this break of the tour over the winter. She's not performing till next spring.

Ian

00:02:06 – 00:02:17

She's gonna have the movie. So people who can't spend $3,000 can go, see it in movie theater for $20 or whatever. So I, of course, got tickets to go see it. Of course. IMAX.

Ian

00:02:19 – 00:02:21

You know, I need a 7 story Taylor Swift.

Aaron

00:02:21 – 00:02:22

Of course.

Ian

00:02:22 – 00:02:24

And, Yeah. I'm pretty excited

Aaron

00:02:24 – 00:02:33

about that. My wife and several of our friends went to the tour, and they resurrected the group chat. We're like, alright. When are we we when are we buying tickets to go see the movie? It's like, yeah.

Aaron

00:02:33 – 00:02:34

Of course they're

Ian

00:02:34 – 00:02:37

gonna go see it. Yeah. Yeah. All the angles you couldn't see.

Aaron

00:02:37 – 00:02:56

I think I saw AMC movie theaters said that they were, like, beefing up their infrastructure so that they could start doing the the presale. And somebody was, like, talking about how Taylor Swift is an ops queen because she's making all of these companies increase increase their ops so that they can handle the rush.

Ian

00:02:56 – 00:03:06

Yeah. And that's what you were saying is that AMC broke all kinds of records for presales and things. And, yes. I mean, she's just gonna print all the money. It's like she's totally ready.

Ian

00:03:06 – 00:03:13

Right? She's she's had a plan. Like, I didn't even consider this. I don't think many people even, you know, thought about it. I don't think anybody knew about it.

Ian

00:03:14 – 00:03:24

And she just comes out of the blue, obviously well planned, not actually out of the blue, and it's like, boom. Oh, tour's ended for this year. Here it is in movie theater. Everybody can go.

Aaron

00:03:24 – 00:03:31

And And super smart that she didn't cannibalize her own tour sales because it was like, there will be a movie. You don't have to come.

Ian

00:03:31 – 00:03:37

Yep. Nope. She's and, like and then while the iron's hot, right, while everybody's talking about it and it's a huge cultural moment, it's like, boom. Nope. It keeps going.

Ian

00:03:37 – 00:03:52

We're not stopping the train. Blah blah blah. And, yeah. So, I mean, it's just gonna lead into it next year.

Aaron

00:03:53 – 00:03:59

I will allow her to etch me out for business person of the year 19 89. The that sounds fine to me.

Ian

00:03:59 – 00:04:04

What an honor that you were born in the same era of Taylor Swift. I know. That's amazing. I would have

Aaron

00:04:04 – 00:04:05

to say

Ian

00:04:05 – 00:04:06

that. Unbelievable.

Aaron

00:04:06 – 00:04:13

It's it's really it's an honor, and it's also, like, oh, dang. We're the same age. Shoot. That sucks.

Ian

00:04:14 – 00:04:14

She's a little

Aaron

00:04:15 – 00:04:17

ahead. Yeah. We're playing a different game. That's all.

Ian

00:04:17 – 00:04:19

We're we have plenty wise,

Aaron

00:04:19 – 00:04:21

not open source repo wise.

Ian

00:04:21 – 00:04:26

You know what? If you listen to her songs, you know she has not done so well in the love department.

Aaron

00:04:26 – 00:04:27

That is true. If you're

Ian

00:04:27 – 00:04:32

ahead in the love department and your kid department and all the you know, that end of the world, you're in the lead.

Aaron

00:04:32 – 00:04:33

That is true. That is fine.

Ian

00:04:33 – 00:04:34

On the money, but you're working on that.

Aaron

00:04:34 – 00:04:40

But we'll get there. Yeah. We'll get there. Y'all come to my movie. Okay.

Aaron

00:04:40 – 00:04:41

So you're back.

Ian

00:04:42 – 00:04:49

I'm back, and and you're back. We're this is the 1st episode that we're in. We're both in home turf. So this is exciting.

Aaron

00:04:50 – 00:04:51

How was the return

Ian

00:04:51 – 00:05:01

home? Cameras. Good. We also had a lot you know, you were on long trip. We this is, like, the longest trip like, road trip, I think, we've really ever taken down to the Outer Banks.

Ian

00:05:01 – 00:05:12

So that was a bit of a haul, but the kids are big now. So it wasn't too bad. Not too much fighting and crying and stuff like that. That's good. Humanoid now, which is awesome.

Ian

00:05:13 – 00:05:24

So, yeah. So we actually stopped in DC both ways to, just, like, break up trip to avoid the 11 or 12 hours straight through. Did you have any,

Aaron

00:05:24 – 00:05:26

like, sightseeing, or was it just overnight?

Ian

00:05:27 – 00:05:34

Yeah. The first the way down, we did do sightseeing. We've been there a few times before, but, you know, kinda walked the National Mall. Yeah. I love the Lincoln Memorial.

Ian

00:05:35 – 00:05:43

It's my favorite. So hit up Lincoln. No. Did that kind of area. And then, I know we went out to dinner or whatnot.

Ian

00:05:43 – 00:05:53

And then way back, we were gonna go to the postal museum. We didn't even realize it was a postal museum. We're like, oh, postal museum. But, anyway,

Aaron

00:05:53 – 00:05:56

didn't happen. The letters or what do they have there?

Ian

00:05:56 – 00:06:01

This is what the kids' theory was. Just stamps. It's just lost mail. Stamps. Yeah.

Ian

00:06:01 – 00:06:15

It's all lost mail. So I don't know what's there because I didn't get to it because we got going kinda late, and then it was wasn't gonna work out. So everybody was exhausted. But we just went to the hotel. I played poker because there's a

Aaron

00:06:16 – 00:06:16

Did you win?

Ian

00:06:16 – 00:06:30

Casino there. I lost a few $100, so not too bad. But I did play, like, a super long session, and it was a good game. Like, there was it was a great game, actually, but I just couldn't find the right spots. So

Aaron

00:06:30 – 00:06:40

If I know anything about gambling and I don't, the the strategy is you should chase your losses. I think that's what you're supposed to do. Like, if you're down, you just keep playing, and eventually it turns around.

Ian

00:06:40 – 00:06:49

Yeah. So, I mean, this is this is sort of the level. It was, like, a 5:10 for those of you who play poker. So $300 loss is actually, like, almost kind of even, which is fine.

Aaron

00:06:50 – 00:06:52

5:10. That feels like a lot.

Ian

00:06:52 – 00:06:55

Yeah. Because that's a bigger game than I normally play. Yeah. So

Aaron

00:06:55 – 00:06:56

Jeez.

Ian

00:06:56 – 00:07:08

But, you know, when I have these opportunities to play bigger games, I have to take it because, like, where I play locally never has that. So that was good. But oh, we went to Topgolf. That's the thing. We did that.

Ian

00:07:08 – 00:07:16

And then we went to Topgolf, which that was another first. So we did the Waffle House. First time at Waffle House. First time at Topgolf. And that was a lot of fun.

Ian

00:07:16 – 00:07:23

Food was better than I expected and whatever. Just get out there and smack the golf ball around a bit. So that was cool.

Aaron

00:07:23 – 00:07:33

It's fun. It's fun that they bring they bring the food and drink out to you, and it's Yeah. Just hanging out. Like, you know, it's bar food, but it's it's so fun. I don't even know golf, but it's a lot of fun.

Ian

00:07:34 – 00:07:45

I don't love golf either. My middle kid is kind of in this I don't know. He picked up golf in the last month, and he's kinda super in the zone on it. So That's fun. He was all jazzed.

Ian

00:07:45 – 00:07:51

And, yeah, it was good. It was good. So but good to be back. I have, like, 8,000,000 things to do.

Aaron

00:07:51 – 00:07:55

Yeah. That's what I was gonna ask. How's the return to So return to the office life for you?

Ian

00:07:56 – 00:08:11

Man, it's been a crazy morning. I need the first day back. It's absolutely bananas. We're doing this, like for HubSpot, we're rolling out this new store. So HubSpot has it's not like a regular SaaS app or in the app, you do things.

Ian

00:08:11 – 00:08:30

It's got this whole store setup that's separate from the app, because we partially because it's ancient. And so that's, like, how you did things in the old days when you had on premise apps. Apps. But also, we do a lot of other stuff that isn't even that easy to do with Stripe even still, like, invoicing. I know they do invoicing, but we handle all kind of types of payment.

Ian

00:08:30 – 00:08:39

You can send us a check and whatever. Blah blah. So we have our own thing for that. And, so that's a new version that's rolling out today. And in the middle of that Yeah.

Ian

00:08:39 – 00:09:03

So they're working on that. The guys are cranking away on that. And then, I come back to, like, other other decisions I made before I left that I don't love, so I'm fixing those decisions. And then Yes. And then, and then in the middle of that, I got one of these emails where, like so I've had ianlandsman.com for whatever, 20 something years.

Ian

00:09:03 – 00:09:24

Right? Mhmm. And one of these Reuters image, you know, copyright royalty services, has hunted me down and found an image I used in 2,005 on a blog post, and they want, you know, $2,000. So

Aaron

00:09:24 – 00:09:25

What?

Ian

00:09:26 – 00:09:40

Now I gotta go through all that headache. So I, like, took that down. But, of course, like, my site is built on, like, an ancient version of Jigsaw. So even just taking down the page was, like, I had to, like, update the whole thing and, like, whatever. So I got that done.

Ian

00:09:40 – 00:09:41

Got the stuff Wait.

Aaron

00:09:41 – 00:09:47

Somebody somebody tracked you down for what it's I guess a copyright violation?

Ian

00:09:47 – 00:09:59

Yeah. Like, I embedded Reuters image in a blog post in 2,005. Probably just, you know, not obviously intentionally, from somewhere else that globally

Aaron

00:09:59 – 00:10:01

5. It was run and gun, baby.

Ian

00:10:01 – 00:10:14

I know. So they have these services. Yeah. This is just the way they're making who else? I'm sure they make 1,000,000 of dollars a a quarter on juicing their numbers by hunting down random blog posts and sending threatening letters.

Ian

00:10:14 – 00:10:14

Aaron

00:10:14 – 00:10:17

So are you free and clear now? Are you just gonna ignore it?

Ian

00:10:17 – 00:10:21

I mean, it just happened this morning. I took it down. You are absolutely not free and clear.

Aaron

00:10:21 – 00:10:26

When this is legal advice. So, yeah, if you're paying attention, we're both attorneys for

Ian

00:10:26 – 00:10:35

sure. Yeah. So I think, you know, whatever. It's one of these games, right, where, like, I'm always gonna push back on them. Mhmm.

Ian

00:10:35 – 00:10:46

Hopefully, they cut it down a little bit. Do I think I could win in court? Like, I mean, I don't know. Probably not, to be honest with you, because, like, I use this image. It was there.

Ian

00:10:48 – 00:10:52

You know, obviously, when it's $1,000 or let's say we get down to, like, $1,000, like

Aaron

00:10:52 – 00:10:52

Mhmm.

Ian

00:10:53 – 00:11:04

Can I hire a lawyer and fight them for $1,000? Do I wanna, like, go through so it's this this whole thing. The the main thing I was worried about is is it even real? So I went through all that. It does seem to be real.

Ian

00:11:05 – 00:11:20

So I don't know. You know, it's like this game where, like, it's not enough money to fight it. So you're just kind of stuck paying the ransom for this ridiculous blog post that nobody's ever seen. Right. And even when it was new in 2005, 50 people saw it.

Ian

00:11:21 – 00:11:42

But whatever. So I went through every other image that's up there in my ancient history of blogs, and made sure there's nothing else, deleted a few things that whatever. I knew they weren't my images. I don't think they didn't seem good enough to be Reuters images, but whatever they were, just whatever, delete them. So, anyway, so that's been my crazy return to work.

Ian

00:11:42 – 00:11:43

Exactly. Exactly. So Now I

Aaron

00:11:43 – 00:11:52

was thinking we wish we should start a business that that, you know, exploits those images and emails and demands payment. That sounds pretty awesome.

Ian

00:11:52 – 00:12:04

This is exactly what my wife said. She's like, we needed one of these gigs. I'm like Yeah. Yeah. Or or what about we take the white hat version of that, a service that checks your websites and says, hey.

Ian

00:12:04 – 00:12:11

Some of these images look a little iffy. You might wanna clean this up before these, these bad guys get a hold of.

Aaron

00:12:11 – 00:12:15

Before we sell the lead to the bad guys who are gonna sue you.

Ian

00:12:15 – 00:12:16

Right. Exactly.

Aaron

00:12:16 – 00:12:19

I think that I think that's like a protection racket. So Yeah.

Ian

00:12:19 – 00:12:23

Yeah. I love a good gangster. There. Yeah. Gangster thing.

Ian

00:12:23 – 00:12:24

You know, I'm big on the gangsters.

Aaron

00:12:26 – 00:12:40

Things are good over here. We, we tried to do potty training for the kids over the weekend. Just total epic disaster. Disaster. Just not even not even close to not even close to working.

Aaron

00:12:40 – 00:12:48

Yeah. So we didn't, let's see. We didn't fail. We're just gonna try again later. We we put Yeah.

Aaron

00:12:48 – 00:12:58

We put a hold on it and said, okay. This isn't this isn't working. They are a little young, to be fair. And so we're just gonna try again later. But, boy, that was the worst.

Ian

00:12:58 – 00:12:59

That was not great.

Aaron

00:13:00 – 00:13:02

That was super not great.

Ian

00:13:02 – 00:13:05

Do they have an interest yet or they're not really interested?

Aaron

00:13:06 – 00:13:07

They're not really interested.

Ian

00:13:07 – 00:13:07

Yeah. I'll be honest. They're just interested

Aaron

00:13:07 – 00:13:07

in, like, peeing on

Ian

00:13:07 – 00:13:07

the floor. Right.

Aaron

00:13:16 – 00:13:18

Yeah. Not not a huge fan of that, I'll be honest.

Ian

00:13:18 – 00:13:26

Yeah. Until they get the interest until they're showing interest in, like, the toilet and stuff, I feel like it's kind of gonna be rough there.

Aaron

00:13:26 – 00:13:34

Yeah. So back to diapers, and everybody's happy. Kids are at school today, and so Woo hoo. My wife is feeling very light and free.

Ian

00:13:35 – 00:13:36

So yeah. Good.

Aaron

00:13:36 – 00:13:50

Yeah. Much much better. Yeah. And then yesterday was Labor Day, and I did a little I had a little fun me time and just redesigned my site a little bit. Actually, that's that's totally not fair.

Aaron

00:13:51 – 00:14:22

Hugo, the designer at Tuple redesigned my personal site, and then Jason Beggs, good guy Jason part. Right. And they they couldn't have known, and so I'm gonna I am going to tweak it, which usually means, like, destroy the design. Exactly. But that's what I've spent a a a few hours doing was, like, playing around with, how am I gonna fit this content into this design?

Aaron

00:14:22 – 00:14:27

And it was fun. You know? Tailwind, still pretty great. Still loving.

Ian

00:14:27 – 00:14:28

It's the goat.

Aaron

00:14:28 – 00:14:37

I used some of those wild, like, descendant selectors. Very, very cool. Lot of fun. So yeah. Good.

Aaron

00:14:37 – 00:14:43

A good distraction after a a weekend filled with very few wins, I will say.

Ian

00:14:44 – 00:14:50

Yeah. Those potty trading days, those are rough. Those are it's just brutal. It's just brutal. Especially, I can't imagine 2 at once.

Ian

00:14:50 – 00:14:53

Forget Yeah. Even just one is a disaster. 2 is

Aaron

00:14:53 – 00:14:56

Yep. It scales linearly, I think. Right.

Ian

00:14:56 – 00:14:56

It was

Aaron

00:14:56 – 00:14:58

a it was a devil's ass kicker.

Ian

00:14:58 – 00:15:00

Yeah. Right. For sure. Yeah. Yeah.

Ian

00:15:00 – 00:15:01

You might have to do one at a time. Just because they're twins doesn't mean you have to do them both at the

Aaron

00:15:11 – 00:15:12

Can't go that route with

Ian

00:15:12 – 00:15:24

it. Yeah. Oh, man. How's the now I've seen some people talking about screencasting.com videos as if they've seen them, but then then I checked and it wasn't launched. So I don't know if you have some people, like,

Aaron

00:15:24 – 00:15:26

in there mailing list, man. So

Ian

00:15:27 – 00:15:27

Okay.

Aaron

00:15:27 – 00:15:32

Trying to do the whole, like, hey. Sign up for the mailing list. I'll send you stuff. Sign up for the mailing list. I'll send you stuff.

Aaron

00:15:32 – 00:15:46

And it's working. Mhmm. And so I've sent out a preview of maybe, like, 3 or 4 of the lessons. And then I've started to do I started to solicit videos from other people. Be like, send me your video.

Aaron

00:15:46 – 00:16:08

I'll do a video review of your video. Mhmm. And I've sent out a few of those, like, tear actually, I've sent out one of those tear downs, and I have another one going out to the list today. And so it's kinda like, you know, the incentive to sign up for the list is you'll get some content early. And then, hopefully, when launch time comes, the list will be, you know, bigger enough to make a difference.

Aaron

00:16:08 – 00:16:10

So, yeah.

Ian

00:16:10 – 00:16:14

What are you looking at for launch? When when are you thinking that's gonna happen?

Aaron

00:16:14 – 00:16:22

Yeah. I think so today, we're recording is, September 5th. I think it's gonna be September oh, what is it? 20th maybe? Whatever the Wednesday of that week is.

Aaron

00:16:22 – 00:16:36

So I think it's, like, 2 and a half away. Yeah. Very close. So lot of good lot of good stuff happening there. I've also started to reach out to people to do, like screencastter spotlights.

Aaron

00:16:37 – 00:16:50

And so we got one in already, Matthias, who's, you know, friend of Laravel. Yep. I reached out to him and I was like, hey, man. I would love for you to do a video on, like, hey, I'm Matthias. This is what I do.

Aaron

00:16:50 – 00:16:59

Here's kinda my setup. This is my camera, my microphone. Here's what I like. Here's what I don't like. So do like a short, you know, 3 to 5 minute video on that.

Aaron

00:16:59 – 00:17:15

And then on the page have it listed below of like, here's all the gear that Matheus uses. Here are the links where you can find Matheus's stuff. That way, you know, it's a fun, like, it's a fun way for people to see what other people are doing.

Ian

00:17:15 – 00:17:15

Right.

Aaron

00:17:16 – 00:17:40

You know, if if they start to look around at, like, different cameras and microphones, they can look at some of these other screencasters and be like, oh, this guy uses the camera I was thinking about using. Let me watch his video or something like that. And I think it'll be good, like, social drive social behavior. Right? Because then every every screen caster that we spotlight is gonna wanna, you know, send people over there and be like, hey.

Aaron

00:17:40 – 00:17:55

Look at this thing I have on screencasting.com that has, like, a backlink to my, you know, to my screen casting stuff. And so trying to round out some of the content there to make the site a little bit heavier for for SEO and and social stuff.

Ian

00:17:55 – 00:18:06

And And everybody loves gear posts. Like, gear posts Yes. Classic win. Like, you're just gonna have people wandering through there just because why not? I just love seeing what gear people are using and what they're doing with it and everything.

Ian

00:18:07 – 00:18:20

So that's a a definite win there. Yeah. And and the things to work together are definitely useful too just like yeah. Which camera maybe I already have a piece of something. Like, maybe I can see, like, well, what are people pairing with this and how's that going and everything.

Ian

00:18:27 – 00:18:51

Like, oh, you need to do this or the microphone setup should be that, especially with the mic stuff tends to be a lot of Yeah. Things like that or specific cameras having, like, whatever the good settings for streaming or or even video setup sometimes since they're usually kind of more photography focused by default, in their default settings. Sometimes you have a few tweaks there you need to do to get it set up for the video. So

Aaron

00:18:51 – 00:19:03

Yep. Yep. And I think we'll end up with a I think we'll end up with a page that's like screencasting.com/cameras. And it'll be Yeah. It'll be a whole listing of, like, the different camera options.

Aaron

00:19:03 – 00:19:29

And then in each section for, like, the Canon M50, which is what I'm running, then we can have links out to all the profiles of people that use the Canon M50. And then Yeah. We can have, like, a full super heavy in terms of content page for screencasting cameras. And I think given the domain and the fact that we can put a ton of content on there, I think we'll we'll rank pretty highly for screencasting cameras.

Ian

00:19:30 – 00:20:00

Yeah. Especially the camera. I think, or even the mics too. I mean, I think if you had a page for each of the big camera systems and mic systems and then even just whether it's you or some you know, pay somebody to go through and do the work of, like, either building these or even just finding the good videos about on YouTube about how to set them up. Because, like, when I was setting up for this new setup I have here, it's like it took me, like, 4 YouTube videos and, like, 3 hours for this particular camera, which is like the Sony a 7 c.

Ian

00:20:00 – 00:20:24

And so, like, this and this is actually a really good camera potentially for streaming. Like, it's a video oriented camera to some degree anyway. But it's like even that didn't have, like, here is how you would set this camera up for streaming and the things you should do. And, like so I think just having that for you know? Because, basically, if you do the Sonys and the Canons, you don't have to do every single one even, but, the big ones, a lot of them are same across anyway.

Ian

00:20:24 – 00:20:38

It's like, you know, the menuing system, and everything's the same across multiple cameras in the series. So I think that'd be super useful, and you get a lot of links for that because it's actually pretty hard to find that. They're pretty hard to find. So you just

Aaron

00:20:38 – 00:20:46

went through this. So, like, what part was hard for you to find? Was it concise or comprehensive? Or what was the

Ian

00:20:46 – 00:21:11

part that was missing? End up t there's there was, like, nobody as I found anyway, at least for this particular camera that really went through in, like, how to set it up, especially for the streaming, which might be a little different than what you're doing. But even for the video, there was just a lot of, like, here's some of the settings, but then I knew other stuff. I mean, I know a little bit about it, which helped. If I'm starting from less knowledge, I think it would have been even worse.

Ian

00:21:11 – 00:21:26

But, yeah. Just and just even things like how do you run the power to it. Like, can you do HDMI out? Or a lot of the cameras have USB c, which can pipe over it, but there's actually a difference. And HDMI is probably better, but not necessarily always.

Ian

00:21:26 – 00:21:32

And so there's kind of things like that in terms of the setup physical setup of how you're gonna power it and how you're

Aaron

00:21:32 – 00:21:33

gonna That's infused. Out.

Ian

00:21:33 – 00:21:57

And then also then the Sony system, all these camera systems, the menu is a disaster. So, you know, how do you find all the little spots where you need to set it up for whether it's changes for the continuous power or changes for, like, what setting this should be on for video and all that stuff. So just to get that initial setup so you have something reasonable Right. And you're not you know, some of them have overheating issues. Is there certain things you have to do?

Ian

00:21:57 – 00:22:09

Maybe you shouldn't run it at 10:80 p or whatever. Like, whatever. All the different things to be aware of for the particular camera. So you, you know, your first run experiences aren't you get 20 minutes in and it's shutting down and

Aaron

00:22:09 – 00:22:14

Right. Or in the middle of the recording session, which is super frustrating. Right.

Ian

00:22:14 – 00:22:15

Oh, no.

Aaron

00:22:15 – 00:22:35

It's a good idea. This is a really good idea. I think, so one of the things I'm thinking for, like, continually filling the top of the funnel, because I want this course to last forever, you know, as as forever as possible. I'm thinking I'll do a separate YouTube channel that is just screencasting focused.

Ian

00:22:35 – 00:22:36

Makes sense.

Aaron

00:22:36 – 00:22:48

And this could be a really good this could be a really good couple of videos where I synthesize all of the information about you know, because people are trying to teach you how to use the camera for everything.

Ian

00:22:48 – 00:22:49

Right. And

Aaron

00:22:49 – 00:23:03

I could synthesize all of that into here's how you use it just for a webcam or a screen cast, basically. Yep. That is really interesting. I like that idea. The question is, am I gonna have to buy a bunch of cameras

Ian

00:23:03 – 00:23:04

to, like, do it honestly?

Aaron

00:23:04 – 00:23:06

Because I don't wanna do that.

Ian

00:23:06 – 00:23:16

Well, I mean, there's a bunch of services for renting cameras. So for, like, $20, $30, or whatever, you can just, like, rent the camera and the lens for 2 days, do the video, send it back.

Aaron

00:23:16 – 00:23:23

Yeah. Of course. Ian, this is why we do this. We do we do this podcast for my benefit. This is amazing.

Aaron

00:23:24 – 00:23:27

Okay. Yeah. That's obvious. Yep. What is it called?

Aaron

00:23:27 – 00:23:28

There's one that's, like,

Ian

00:23:28 – 00:23:29

like, last

Aaron

00:23:29 – 00:23:34

rent or or I'm thinking of Rent the Runway, which is different. I'll I'll I'll look it up.

Ian

00:23:34 – 00:23:37

That's fine. Yeah. Yeah. It should be good to find. Yeah.

Ian

00:23:37 – 00:23:44

I can't remember the names, but I know a ton of people who use them. Everybody seems to have pretty good results with it. So I think that you're getting, like, pretty, you

Aaron

00:23:44 – 00:23:45

know Yeah.

Ian

00:23:45 – 00:23:50

Good gear and good shape, and it'll be fine for your purposes of Yeah. I I don't need I don't

Aaron

00:23:50 – 00:23:52

even wanna keep the gear, so it's perfect. So

Ian

00:23:53 – 00:23:56

Okay. And you only need one lens probably or whatever. So,

Aaron

00:23:56 – 00:24:01

Yeah. Okay. Cool. That'll be fun. And this will

Ian

00:24:01 – 00:24:02

be another project for the list.

Aaron

00:24:03 – 00:24:11

Yeah. Seriously. I count this I count this as a subproject, so mentally, this doesn't, like, this doesn't take, this doesn't take a slot.

Ian

00:24:11 – 00:24:11

Yeah.

Aaron

00:24:11 – 00:24:17

Exactly. I don't feel like, oh, man. I got a million. No. I only have, like, 4 things to juggle of which Right.

Aaron

00:24:17 – 00:24:20

Subtask a is record a 1,000,000 videos. So I have a hard

Ian

00:24:20 – 00:24:27

time with that. I start I I get down that path. This is part of the stuff I've been eliminating from Mhmm. Decisions I made pre vacation. Yep.

Ian

00:24:27 – 00:24:42

Is it's just like I get too much stuff going, and I'm not as good at that. I've never been that good at it. If I get too many balls, then I just start to get, like it just weighs on me, and then I don't do even the things I need to be doing. It's just like, oh, it's too stress and pressure. So then I gotta go back to and be like, nope.

Ian

00:24:42 – 00:24:59

Don't actually need to do those things right now. Like, that'll be fine. Get we can wait a few months or 6 months, whatever. Put it on, like, a separate Notion page for, like, kind of backlog of ideas. Just leave it over there so it's not, like, in my day to day vision.

Ian

00:24:59 – 00:25:01

And then, yeah.

Aaron

00:25:01 – 00:25:12

Yep. You are super not alone. I feel I feel the same way. I feel like I have, like, a natural kind of ebb and flow cycle almost of, like, expand. Let's do everything.

Aaron

00:25:12 – 00:25:31

And then I get I get to, like, the the maximum expansion, and I'm like, uh-oh. This is too much. And then I can track down and focus on the few things that I think are most important maybe or most pressing. And then that kinda just that just kinda ebbs and flows over time. And I don't know if that's bad.

Aaron

00:25:31 – 00:25:33

Like, I I don't know if that's bad. I maybe

Ian

00:25:33 – 00:25:35

wish I maybe wish I didn't get to the

Aaron

00:25:35 – 00:25:43

point where it was, like, this is way too much. I'm gonna die. Yeah. Which is where where I am now.

Ian

00:25:43 – 00:26:04

So There is this entrepreneurial, I think a lot of entrepreneurs have that issue, and it's like you get that little bit of space. Like, you actually get some space and you're like, I must fill this space. Like, I must there's more things to do. Let's pile stuff into the gap. And then all of a sudden, you look around a week later, you're like, oh, I actually have tons of stuff to do.

Ian

00:26:04 – 00:26:30

And then the thing you know, you have no capacity for, like, when someone comes out of the blue and wants to charge you $2,000 for a photo you used 20 years ago or, like, all these, you know, random stuff that comes up when you're running a business or even side projects or even just your day job needs you to work longer or whatever. Like, who knows? Like, just having the extra capacity to take on those unknown things. Yeah. I hit that all the time where I'm, like, running too close to capacity.

Ian

00:26:30 – 00:26:35

And then, like, something happens, and I'm like, oh, no. I gotta deal with that and rework things.

Aaron

00:26:35 – 00:26:49

Actively trying to, like, shed projects. You're like, god. I can't do that. That's I mean, Hugo Hugo designed my website, I think, back in, like, September or October of last year, and it's now September of this year. And it was just one of those things where at the time, I was like, yeah.

Aaron

00:26:49 – 00:26:54

Hell, yeah. Let's freaking let's do a website. That seems awesome. And then he designed it, and I was like, oh, gosh.

Ian

00:26:55 – 00:26:56

I don't have time to do this.

Aaron

00:26:56 – 00:27:11

Like, yeah. Yeah. I can't do this anymore. That's that's one thing where I think I I do get in trouble sometimes is I'll have, like I'll start the projects and have, like, other people, you know, pay them, of course, but have other people do parts of it. And then I'm like, oh, no.

Aaron

00:27:11 – 00:27:21

Now it's back to me. And so, you know, hopefully hopefully, Hugo's happy, 1, to see his design out there. And 2, of course, I did pay him for it. But now I'm finally like, alright. Here we go.

Aaron

00:27:21 – 00:27:25

This is now it's come back around till I have time to do this.

Ian

00:27:25 – 00:27:39

The number of people and the amount of money I paid for people to not do the things I asked them to do is completely insane. Yes. I know I paid you. I'm I'm fine with you not doing it. Just forget it.

Ian

00:27:39 – 00:27:54

Like, just the what you were gonna do and then place on me, like, I'm fine just paying you to not just make that money, enjoy it. I don't even want you to produce it. Yeah. I just wanna not worry about it. So, yeah, I do have had that happen numerous times.

Ian

00:27:54 – 00:27:55

So Yeah.

Aaron

00:27:55 – 00:28:04

And it's kinda like if they do produce the thing, it's like, yes. I'm thrilled to death with the work you've done. It's amazing. I love it. I just I'm gonna sit on it for a little while.

Aaron

00:28:04 – 00:28:05

Sorry about that.

Ian

00:28:07 – 00:28:13

So we should get the full the full update. What's up with the hello query? I don't think we've even talked about that on We have not talked about that in

Aaron

00:28:13 – 00:28:23

a while. So we've been doing we've been doing a push with, do you know Boris Lepkin in the Laravel community? He's the guy who wrote Advanced Inertia.

Ian

00:28:23 – 00:28:24

Okay. Yes. I know that.

Aaron

00:28:24 – 00:28:41

So he's the, Inertia typescript. He's he's he's a wizard. Like, I thought I thought for a long time that I was a really good developer, and I think I am. I'm not as good as Boris. Like, Boris is Boris is a gosh dang machine.

Aaron

00:28:41 – 00:29:03

Yeah. And it also happens that he's, like, really, really good at the front end, and I'm I'm okay at front end. But in terms of, like, alright, let's wire up inertia and Vue altogether with typed stuff on the back end, like, I don't I don't hold a candle to Boris. Right. So, anyway, we've hired Boris to help us build out some of that stuff.

Ian

00:29:03 – 00:29:04

Oh, awesome.

Aaron

00:29:05 – 00:29:23

Because like I said, I got to this point where I was like, oh, this is too much. Yeah. And we were just moving too slowly because I just I was also having a hard time, like, project's been going on for a 1000 years. Right. And losing some of that motivation for that side.

Aaron

00:29:23 – 00:29:40

And so bringing Boris on to, like, just plow through some tasks has been really awesome. So that's been going well. We're reaching the point where it's like, alright. Let's let's let's onboard some customers here. And so, yeah, Colleen and I are talking about, like, okay.

Aaron

00:29:41 – 00:29:59

We're we're about to approach the starting line of this project. Like, even though it feels like this should be the finish line, we're approaching the starting line. Let's talk about, like, what that's gonna look like going forward. Yeah. And so there's still some, you know, there's still some decisions and and stuff to be made there.

Aaron

00:30:00 – 00:30:18

But just having someone else that's really, really talented help me on the development side has been, like, a huge boost in terms of, like, like, emotional fortitude to have somebody else picking up some of that Slack. So that's been great. So thanks, Boris. Thanks. Yeah.

Aaron

00:30:18 – 00:30:22

Thanks thanks for being thanks for being a a 10 x developer. That's amazing.

Ian

00:30:23 – 00:30:30

Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. I think there's getting to shipping is so important. And, like, that's something I haven't always factored enough in.

Ian

00:30:30 – 00:30:56

And actually with a huge new project that we'll talk about on here eventually, I've been reworking a lot of that so that to try to get to that shipping part faster. Yeah. And and, yeah. So I think, I think that's super important. Like, sex, when you're just on that March of, like, an ever ending March, it is it is very difficult to, like, stay motivated and even to remember what you were trying to do at times and things like that.

Ian

00:30:57 – 00:31:41

And so I think, having that yeah. Whether it's help or just reorganizing, I think there's actually Jason Cohen has a really, interesting blog post about this where kind of indirectly about this, but he was more talking about, like, MVPs and how he doesn't like MVPs. Yeah. But more about the idea than doing something where it's it's just smaller but complete so that, like, even if you then don't add on to whatever or even if it takes longer than to get to the full vision, it's not that you're shipping this kind of junky, doesn't even work for the customer tool. It's just that you're shipping something that is small, but that there is a use case for even if it's just that small feature set.

Aaron

00:31:41 – 00:31:41

Yeah.

Ian

00:31:42 – 00:31:46

And people could love that small feature set. And then, you know, you can either build

Aaron

00:31:46 – 00:31:47

on it, hop on it.

Ian

00:31:47 – 00:31:52

But, like but that different take on it, which I kinda like that idea of it as well.

Aaron

00:31:52 – 00:32:11

Yeah. Yeah. And I feel like there is there is, like, a big emotional win from having that in people's hands. So that you can start to get that, like, that, you know, that dopamine from people actually using the thing instead of Yeah. Just sitting quietly alone working on it all the time.

Ian

00:32:11 – 00:32:13

Money changing hands and all that stuff.

Aaron

00:32:13 – 00:32:20

Yeah. Exactly. So when when are you you mentioned it in passing. You got a big secret project we're gonna talk about at some point?

Ian

00:32:20 – 00:32:22

Yeah. We'll talk about the big secret project.

Aaron

00:32:22 – 00:32:23

Oh, right. I love it.

Ian

00:32:23 – 00:32:24

We're not there.

Aaron

00:32:24 – 00:32:29

So y'all stay tuned. Come back. Come back next week, and we'll keep coming back.

Ian

00:32:29 – 00:32:31

Probably next week. But Eventually,

Aaron

00:32:31 – 00:32:32

we will talk about it.

Ian

00:32:32 – 00:32:38

Eventually, we'll get to it. We're definitely gonna talk about it, but not not yet. Yeah. We have lots of other stuff to talk about, though.

Aaron

00:32:38 – 00:32:39

Let's do it.

Ian

00:32:39 – 00:32:45

No worries. What else we got here? So alright. So what about, well, alright. I'll we can talk about this.

Ian

00:32:45 – 00:32:56

So I'd post about year of LiveWire. What did you think about that? I think I think 2024 year is the year of LiveWire, is the year of Filament, is the year of the LiveWire ecosystem. To me, it's gonna be Livewire.

Aaron

00:32:56 – 00:33:02

Tell you any thoughts. Tell me, like, what you were doing and what kind of prompted the the year of Livewire tweet.

Ian

00:33:02 – 00:33:26

Well, I've just been super deep in LiveWire again. So sort of a long story, but the short version is I plan to do a bunch of stuff with Livewire 3 last year when it was, you know, sort of supposed to come out. Mhmm. And actually, you know, did some sponsoring to help do some of that, whatever. It just took longer as these software projects do or whatever.

Ian

00:33:26 – 00:33:39

So it's fine. So I that's this is what where I kinda go and got over towards into the react and all that, which we've touched on a little bit here. I was like, well, I've never looked at inertia. I've never looked at react. Let me go off in that direction for a bit.

Ian

00:33:39 – 00:34:03

So I went over there, learned react, played with inertia, and all that stuff. Fine. So then Livewire 3 comes out, and, you know, new Filament comes out, and there's a bunch of other, you know, projects along the ecosystem. The Spouti stuff's all being updated to Livewire 3. I know the Laravel core stuff that use Livewire has has been updated or will be updated soon.

Ian

00:34:04 – 00:34:18

So so I've been back in Livewire 3 streets. I'm like, alright. Let me get in here since this was kind of my original plan. And and we use Livewire for other stuff anyways. So, Lara Jobs uses it, and our the store thing that's launching today for HubSpot uses it and whatever.

Ian

00:34:18 – 00:34:35

So we use Livewire a bunch of places. But and, I just love love it. Not even, like, super, super deep it yet, but I've been loving all the changes. I just think it's, like, so obviously, like, the foundation to then build on for world domination. Oh, wow.

Ian

00:34:35 – 00:34:44

So, yeah, I'm all about the world domination. And Yeah. And I just think this is, like, it's so integrated with Laravel in the way that none of the other things can ever be. Right?

Aaron

00:34:44 – 00:34:44

Yeah.

Ian

00:34:44 – 00:35:08

And so, yeah, it's just great. And I think what the filming guys are doing is great and how they've expanded that where you can build it's not just like an admin panel anymore. It's, you know, got bigger ambitions than that and you can really use it to build other sorts of apps and things. And, I mean, Filament's sort of a little bit intense, and and Yeah. Have you get started with?

Aaron

00:35:08 – 00:35:15

Filament. Because I thought it was I thought it was an admin panel, but now I'm seeing people like you say, it's like application builders. So, like

Ian

00:35:15 – 00:35:16

Right.

Aaron

00:35:16 – 00:35:18

What what is the scope? What is the scope there?

Ian

00:35:18 – 00:36:01

Yeah. I mean, the scope is kinda massive. So, I mean, it's definitely where you could use it now for and maybe you always could to some degree, but I think been flushed out a little bit more where it's not just like admin for the, like, the little literal admins of the system to manage an a SaaS app, but you could definitely use it whether, it's gonna be a little hard to explain, but they have this kind of a panel, which is sort of like an admin dashboard, but you could use it for actually the UI of your app now with what they've done with it, or or part part of the UI. Like, maybe you have, like, you know, like, a user area, but then there might be other areas that don't necessarily use Filament for, like, the front, let's say, that may be more custom or things like that. So you could mix and match.

Ian

00:36:01 – 00:36:07

You could also just use the individual components like the table builder. Like, I just saw, like, Spouty's using the table builder.

Aaron

00:36:08 – 00:36:09

Yeah. I've seen the table builder.

Ian

00:36:09 – 00:36:27

The media media library, I think. Yeah. And the form builder and things like that. So and, you know, it's basically the missing component library of the Laravel Livewire kind of I see. Ecosystem, in terms of if you want the, like, fully integrated components.

Ian

00:36:27 – 00:36:51

Now I still don't think they're all the way and they're definitely not all the way to sort of the full on polishness of, like, the React ecosystem. But I do think it's gotten a lot closer and is a lot better. And then you're making different trade offs. Like, maybe it's not quite as uber polished as that in areas. But then on the flip side, like, it's super tied into Laravel and

Aaron

00:36:51 – 00:36:52

Right.

Ian

00:36:52 – 00:37:10

It understands Laravel, and you can just totally ignore a whole bunch of annoying kind of API validation Yeah. All that stuff, you know, networking communication type things, because it all just magically works. So yeah. So I don't know. So are you

Aaron

00:37:10 – 00:37:12

using Filament for anything at this point?

Ian

00:37:13 – 00:37:37

So I'm not well, we use actually one of the components, like, the table builder in the new store, But I am evaluating for a super big secret project, possibly using it pretty heavily. So Okay. Yeah. So that's what I've been kinda digging into to that stuff. But, yeah, I just think it's, like, all reaching this place.

Ian

00:37:37 – 00:38:02

I think it's all gonna get a lot better too. Like, they're coming out with, like like, Filament's the lead designer, I think he is at Filament is coming out with, like, a theme package so that you can have some different styles in there if you want something a little cleaner than the default, things like that. Mhmm. And, yeah, there's just a lot of activity on LiveWire end and the Filament end with people, you know, doing a lot of active dev work around it. So

Aaron

00:38:02 – 00:38:16

It does seem to be a very active project. Yeah. It seems like there are a lot of people working on it, and there's a lot of there's a lot of motion on it. And a lot of people are, like, contributing to it. Is there a paid component?

Aaron

00:38:16 – 00:38:18

How do how do these people make money?

Ian

00:38:19 – 00:38:26

Filament, I don't believe has a directly paid component. No. You can sponsor Dan

Aaron

00:38:26 – 00:38:27

Got it.

Ian

00:38:27 – 00:38:28

Kinda runs it.

Aaron

00:38:28 – 00:38:31

And same with working for a company. Right?

Ian

00:38:31 – 00:38:44

Yeah. I think he works for Kirschbaum. Yeah. So I think he's on semi sponsored in that way. I don't know exactly the exact deal there, but I do think they do give him at least some time to work on it is my impression.

Ian

00:38:46 – 00:39:17

And then, you know, Caleb has the kind of LiveWire, the Alpine components. That themselves, and he has a lot of GitHub Sponsors. Although GitHub just kinda messed that up a little bit on the sponsorship front. But, and they and Livewire also has a paid support channel now too if you wanna get paid support for, like, if you have a big Livewire project and wanna be able to have kind of direct access to the core brain trust, then, you can can pay them for that, which is a great program too. So yeah.

Ian

00:39:17 – 00:39:28

I mean, all these things, I think, like every open source project, it's like how do you Mhmm. Monetize it to kind of survive, and pay the bills so you can build the open source thing people want.

Aaron

00:39:29 – 00:39:42

Okay. So LiveWire 3 plus ecosystem plus tight integration with Laravel. That's why you think 2024 is the year of of LiveWire?

Ian

00:39:42 – 00:40:05

Yeah. I just think with this new foundation, like so there's always been a little bit of, like, kind of rough edges to LiveWire Mhmm. When you get in there and, like, build something more complicated where there can be just more kinda difficult error states or a lot of sort of subtle things you have to be aware of Yeah. To make that work. And so I think that's a was always a little bit tricky.

Ian

00:40:05 – 00:40:25

Or for pages with lots of components, there'd be, like, a lot of network stuff going on and things like that. And a lot of that stuff is I mean, almost all of it really has been, you know, made a lot better fixed. Yeah. If it was, like, kind of more bugs or more sensible defaults or optimized in terms of like the networking. So like the foundation is like super strong.

Ian

00:40:25 – 00:41:06

And then I think with filament on top, then you just have this nice way to actually get started Mhmm. With Bam. I can, like, build out an idea really quickly, which I know has always been also kind of one of Taylor's, core tenants, so to speak, with Laravel. It's like, can you get to building something, you know, pretty quickly, which why Laravel always does such a great job with, you know, the other elements of like, you know, authentication and having all those Yep. Jetstream and all those things to make it really easy to just get all that boilerplate stuff that is terrible to build kinda out of the way right at the beginning, and Laravel just can give you that.

Ian

00:41:06 – 00:41:21

So so yeah. I don't know. I just think, you know, you know, now having just gone through all the React stuff too, it's like, you know, even with inertia, it's still, you know, it's still JavaScript. Right? Like, ultimately

Aaron

00:41:21 – 00:41:23

Got them. Welcome home, baby.

Ian

00:41:23 – 00:41:24

Yeah. I'm good.

Aaron

00:41:24 – 00:41:27

You're back. Whoo. It's still JavaScript.

Ian

00:41:27 – 00:41:42

Yeah. It's still JavaScript. And it's like, if you don't have to be in there or something can make it nice for you, so that you you're in there, but you don't have to really know too much about it except for when you really need to. And then Livewire does a great job with that. It's all integrated with Alpine, like, fully now.

Ian

00:41:42 – 00:42:07

So it used to be this sort of, like, they weren't actually one and the same, but now it's essentially, like, they're one and the same. And so you can use Alpine, which I like a lot. And you can they can cross communicate really easily where you need to. And so for those times we do need to do something JavaScripty that's literally only in the browser, then great. Like, you can do those weirdo JavaScripty things Mhmm.

Ian

00:42:07 – 00:42:12

And sync it up with Livewire if you need to and have that all work magically. So

Aaron

00:42:13 – 00:42:15

yeah. I buy it. I buy it. Yeah. I'm I'm with you.

Aaron

00:42:15 – 00:42:51

So I think I think Livewire 3 is, like a step change, like a fundamental improvement over Livewire 2. Just I was never a heavy Livewire user, and I'm still not, actually. But I have used Livewire 2, and I have used Livewire 3. And I do think all of the time and energy that Caleb put into Livewire 3 was worth it? Because I think I think a lot of a lot of the, like, I I feel like a lot of the drive by criticize criticisms of LiveWire 2 was around performance and requests and that kind of stuff.

Ian

00:42:51 – 00:42:51

Right. And I feel

Aaron

00:42:51 – 00:43:08

like Caleb went to the nth Caleb went to the nth degree trying to solve some of the batching and, like you said, tight integration with Alpine. So you can do some stuff that is strictly front end but is still fully integrated to LiveWire such that when you do send a request, like, it all goes together.

Ian

00:43:09 – 00:43:09

Right.

Aaron

00:43:10 – 00:43:18

And so I think I think my point of view on LiveWire is I actually don't mind writing JavaScript that much because I write Vue and not React.

Ian

00:43:19 – 00:43:22

We'll we'll barb to React. But I'm not going to Vue. Yeah. That's for sure. Okay.

Ian

00:43:22 – 00:43:24

But we don't have to talk about that yet.

Aaron

00:43:24 – 00:44:06

Yeah. But what I do love about LiveWire is just the network chasm has been crossed, and you don't have to worry about I think you mentioned, for you. And that is just it's just a delight to use to not think about, like, alright, how am I gonna serialize this and send it across the wire and validate it and send some response back and respond to it. Like Jason wired up my my new web site, and there's, like, a a listing of content, and you can filter between, like, videos and articles and talks and that kind of thing.

Ian

00:44:06 – 00:44:07

Right.

Aaron

00:44:07 – 00:44:15

And he did it all in LiveWire 3. And I think with, with Folio is that the single page 1, or is Volt the single page 1? Which one's the page router?

Ian

00:44:15 – 00:44:19

Well, well, the Volt is the single page LiveWire component. Yes. And then

Aaron

00:44:19 – 00:44:33

yeah. Folio is the page routing. Okay. So he did it all with Volt style LiveWire. And so you just open up this content list dot blade dot PHP, and, like, you see a little bit a little bit of LiveWire at the top and then the view or the template at the bottom, it's like, oh.

Aaron

00:44:33 – 00:44:43

There. I get this. This is Right. This has, like, collapsed the level of mental complexity in my mind. And I I I really dig it.

Aaron

00:44:44 – 00:45:08

So I do think I do think, the ecosystem is developing. I think all the work that Filament is doing is great. I think also, Filo, everything that Philo touches in the LiveWire ecosystem is is incredibly high quality, and he's got I don't I don't know all of his projects, but he's got a lot of stuff going on over there. But I could see it. I could see 2024 being the year of LiveWire.

Aaron

00:45:08 – 00:45:15

And hopefully with, like, the the PHP resurgence, and me trying to convince people that PHP is good

Ian

00:45:15 – 00:45:16

That'll be cool.

Aaron

00:45:16 – 00:45:19

We we yeah. We we get some momentum going here.

Ian

00:45:19 – 00:45:47

Well, the other thing too, I think, that's huge for LiveWire is, the sort of, that it's been fully brought into the fold under the Laravel domain. So it's like livewire.laravel.com. So that's always the other thing is, like, you know, you can drop LiveWire in for sure and just, like, use it here and there. But also it's, you know, I think ideally in some ways, like, you'd be especially in 3 where there's, like, kind of the single page mode where it can really be pre loading things.

Aaron

00:45:47 – 00:45:48

Just super cool.

Ian

00:45:48 – 00:46:02

So you can just have it be everything, basically. But that's a huge commitment. And then, obviously, everybody's always scared about, like, well, this is, like, kind of a thing. It's run by, you know, 1 or 2 people. Like, do I wanna have my entire app built on this thing?

Ian

00:46:03 – 00:46:31

And so, you know, being in the official Laravel fold just has that extra level of of assurance that, you know what, like, the Laravel in crew is gonna take care of this project. Like, no matter what, LiveWire is here to stay, and it's gonna get better. And it's gonna be either even more integrated into Laravel core in the future in different ways. And so and same with Volt being released by Laravel Inc. So you have that support there.

Ian

00:46:31 – 00:46:57

So it's just like everything's coming everybody's on board with LiveWire that this is how this is, like, the default way to me to write a Laravel app. It's like it's it's livewire. And then, like, then there's, you know, obviously, there's other reasons why you might use Mhmm. React or Vue or just Blade in a super simple scenario or whatever. But kind of your main line, I'm building a real app, that's, you know, significant in size.

Ian

00:46:57 – 00:47:11

I feel like LiveWire is the the front end technology you're looking at for that on on Laravel. And that's what kind of where things are going in my mind. So anyway, so I think all that kind of comes together to be the year of LiveWire. So we'll see.

Aaron

00:47:11 – 00:47:27

You you wanna hear my spicy take on the subdomain subdomain thing? Yes. Subdomain thing. Want there to be inertia.laravel.com too. And I know I know that inertia is, like, all things to all people, a little bible reference there, but I know that inertia has all these different frameworks.

Aaron

00:47:28 – 00:47:31

I want I want it to be first party.

Ian

00:47:31 – 00:47:32

To be in the fold. Yes.

Aaron

00:47:32 – 00:47:52

I want it to be in the fold, fully adopted. And I know that it's, like, feature complete or whatever, but I just want it to be more specific to Laravel. Laravel. And maybe, like, sure, continue on with the other frameworks, you know, bless their hearts. But, like, I want it to be more specific to Laravel.

Ian

00:47:52 – 00:48:09

This is a very interesting point because this is actually one of the things I hit with inertia. And now it's been, like, 2 months, so I don't even remember the exact details. But, basically, I hit a thing where, like, I thought it should be doing something a little bit differently. And I wish I could remember the details, but I literally don't even remember the details. This is gonna

Aaron

00:48:09 – 00:48:11

be a good one. This is gonna be good content. Yeah.

Ian

00:48:11 – 00:48:27

But but that's not really the point. The point is that, like, the that is like, everybody's like, yeah. It's done. It's feature complete. And I'm like, well but, like, here's the thing of how it's handling something, like, across the wire that, like, I feel like it should be doing a little bit differently that would be easier to then manage.

Ian

00:48:27 – 00:48:38

I believe it was, like, on the Laravel side, it could be doing something a little differently to to be better. And everybody's like, no. It's feature complete. And I'm like, I kinda get where they're coming from. That's like, well, like, the yes.

Ian

00:48:38 – 00:48:53

Like, maybe, like, literally the wired protocol of it is feature complete, but I feel like there's these other maybe rough edges. And then I'm poking around. Other people seem to have the same rough edges and things. And I'm like, I don't know. Like, then I do I wanna be on the thing that's, like, feature complete.

Ian

00:48:53 – 00:49:04

Like, what's where is this software that's done? Like, I'm dying to find the done software. I've never had done software ever. I feel like that's not really a thing. And so that it's done feels a little anti me.

Ian

00:49:04 – 00:49:19

Whereas, like, LiveWire is like, hey. There's all activity. I know Caleb's super building it out. And it's like, I'd rather have the thing that's moving forward and, is not feature complete since I don't know what that means in software exactly. I know.

Ian

00:49:19 – 00:49:22

Really? So I know. I know. I know. That's kind of where I'm at.

Ian

00:49:22 – 00:49:42

So I agree. I would love it to see it. I think whether I'm using it or not, it would be awesome if it was sort of fully I think it has been, like, sort of mostly adopted, but, yeah, something not official official. And so and I don't know if Taylor's inclined to, like, put a bunch of work into it and things like that, especially since it isn't, like, just a Laravel thing. It's sort of Right.

Ian

00:49:42 – 00:49:48

Has to then maintain the Ruby version, and I think there's all whatever other random frameworks it supports. So

Aaron

00:49:49 – 00:49:58

Yeah. There's all kinds. Yeah. I wonder if there's an opportunity for someone with good taste to, like, build on top of inertia that is Laravel specific?

Ian

00:49:59 – 00:50:08

I think there is a project where someone forked it and was doing a lot of the stuff that people have been kinda complaining about, but I don't know where that's been. Yeah.

Aaron

00:50:10 – 00:50:10

Yeah.

Ian

00:50:10 – 00:50:18

That's the thing. It's like, to get that momentum is so hard in open source to Yeah. Like, you can fork anything, obviously, but can you then, like, build up the crew around it

Aaron

00:50:18 – 00:50:19

who are

Ian

00:50:19 – 00:50:21

interested in in participating in it?

Aaron

00:50:21 – 00:50:30

Oh, you know who should do this is Boris. Genius genius machine Boris. Yeah. Boris, if you're listening, you should do this. Yeah.

Aaron

00:50:30 – 00:50:33

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We should definitely take on more. That's a good idea.

Aaron

00:50:35 – 00:50:40

Okay. You're of LiveWire. I buy it. Good Alright. Good, good segment there.

Aaron

00:50:40 – 00:50:45

I think I wanna talk about LinkedIn. Oh, going from

Ian

00:50:45 – 00:50:46

the new school to the old school.

Aaron

00:50:47 – 00:50:54

Not terrible? Like, actually, smart good? Yeah. Okay. So here's That

Ian

00:50:54 – 00:50:56

is far, but let's hear

Aaron

00:50:56 – 00:50:57

your stuff. Well, I said not

Ian

00:50:57 – 00:50:58

terrible. Yeah.

Aaron

00:50:58 – 00:51:16

I maybe wrote down good, but I I said not terrible. So, historically, here's what I've thought about LinkedIn. LinkedIn is a place where you go to tell made up inspiring stories about how wonderful you are. Right? So, like, I'm walking to a job interview, and there's a a dog that needed water.

Aaron

00:51:16 – 00:51:26

And I gave it water, and I got to the interview, and the dog was the boss. Like, wow. That's amazing. That's incredible. It's like that's that's how I viewed LinkedIn forever.

Aaron

00:51:26 – 00:51:32

It's cringe. It's terrible. It's corporate speak. It's nothing. And to be fair, there's a lot of that still there.

Aaron

00:51:33 – 00:52:02

But I went over and posted some stuff on Linkedin. I think the one that really, surprised me was there's a PHP developers group over there. And I went and posted my PHP doesn't suck anymore video, and it got, like, 400, reactions, I think is what they call it. Several dozen comments and like 30,000 views, of the post, not the video. So, like, 30,000 impressions on this LinkedIn post.

Aaron

00:52:02 – 00:52:16

And I was, like, what who's active over here? And I think that's, you know, indicative of of my small mind is, like, I only see Twitter as social media, but there's a whole Right. World out there.

Ian

00:52:16 – 00:52:16

Yeah.

Aaron

00:52:16 – 00:52:39

So I've started posting a little bit more a little bit more content over there. And I think one of my rules is always gonna be be yourself. And so I'm not doing, like, the, you know, the the cringe business content. I'm just basically saying the same things I would say on Twitter. And I've noticed that it's getting a lot of, like, a lot of traction, and I'm super surprised.

Aaron

00:52:39 – 00:52:50

And so I tweeted something like, you know, LinkedIn might be a viable place to to hang, and you said something like, yeah. It's it's always been pretty good. So where what have I been missing?

Ian

00:52:51 – 00:52:53

Well, I don't know. I said something along those lines, but really,

Aaron

00:52:53 – 00:52:56

I mean You're really walking back the good thing.

Ian

00:52:56 – 00:52:57

On that because

Aaron

00:52:57 – 00:52:59

You don't wanna be on the record as saying it's good.

Ian

00:53:00 – 00:53:15

No. Well, not that. It's just so it's very interesting. First of all, that you even had a more, sort of a deeper understanding of it than I did until, like, maybe a year or 2 ago when I started relooking to it again. It's more like I literally just thought it was a directory of corporate people.

Ian

00:53:15 – 00:53:31

Like, I was on there, and occasionally people would be like, you know, can we connect to you or whatever they called it. And I would just go through, like, once a year and, like, check all the little check boxes for the hundred people who asked to be connected, and I would let them be connected. And then I wouldn't go back for a year. Yep. And I know you could InMail.

Ian

00:53:31 – 00:53:48

And so I I was like, okay. Well, I guess people are over there In Mailing each other and, like, whatever. Fine. But then, like, recently, I don't know if it's, like, the fall of the, you know, kind of the semi fall from grace of Twitter reignited it or this has always been going on. So maybe somebody can tell us the history.

Ian

00:53:48 – 00:54:03

But then I was like, oh, there's, like, actually people like, I didn't even know about the Boss Dog story. Like, I just thought there was, like, nothing going on there. But there's actually people posting stuff there, like, you know, Twitter ish social media like fashion. And I was like, oh, wow. And so then yeah.

Ian

00:54:03 – 00:54:10

Like, then looking around a little more, everybody's like, yeah. Of course. Like, LinkedIn's, like, the best place to post your stuff. And I'm like, really? Yeah.

Ian

00:54:10 – 00:54:26

I gotta we would think I can't even think of LinkedIn. Like, anytime I go to valuable. Say anything in a social context, I never consider LinkedIn. I never think about it. I've been recently trying to make myself think about it unsuccessfully, but I'm going to keep trying because I do think I mean, it makes sense.

Ian

00:54:26 – 00:54:44

It's like especially if you're on the angle of, you know, the more business y angle where I'm trying to get my name out there for my products or services or whatever. Well, like, just talking to pure business people probably makes more sense than just the randos on Twitter. Right? But, yeah. I don't know.

Ian

00:54:44 – 00:54:53

The there is, have you solved this barrier? Like, to me, there's things I still don't even understand. Like, you can be followed, but that's different than the thing with the check mark. And I don't understand. I guess you

Aaron

00:54:53 – 00:54:53

can just

Ian

00:54:53 – 00:54:56

follow me without the check mark, and these are 2 separate systems.

Aaron

00:54:56 – 00:54:57

I guess You can, like

Ian

00:54:57 – 00:54:58

other than both of them.

Aaron

00:54:58 – 00:55:11

Turn on I think you can turn on creator mode or, like, some something like that on LinkedIn, and that, that allows you to have followers. And then Mhmm. You can have the traditional, like, connections where Yeah.

Ian

00:55:11 – 00:55:11

And those are

Aaron

00:55:11 – 00:55:15

like, those people can message you or like you know them or something

Ian

00:55:15 – 00:55:18

like that. The 1 degree 2 degree whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Ian

00:55:18 – 00:55:20

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Aaron

00:55:20 – 00:55:36

And so I don't like I I am I don't really care about connections over there, to be honest. So sometimes I'll get a whole bunch of connection requests, and I'm like, I don't know any of you people know. And then sometimes I get some, and I'm like, sure. Whatever. I don't care.

Aaron

00:55:36 – 00:55:55

And so I don't have really good rules on that. But, yeah, the the turning on creator mode or follower mode or or whatever it's called, separates the number of connections you have from the number of followers you have, which I think makes it more like a social network than just a, like, a, you know, a traditional networking type thing.

Ian

00:55:55 – 00:56:15

Well, that's why I was talking to I think the thing that really woke me up was just, like, a few months ago. And I was talking to Eric Barnes of VIRAL News, and he was saying how he had they have a 100,000 followers on LinkedIn. And I was like, what are you even talking about? It's like, it's like a 100,000 followers. I'm like, holy cow.

Ian

00:56:15 – 00:56:18

Like, who would have even thought? I haven't even considered LinkedIn. And

Aaron

00:56:19 – 00:56:24

He he said on Twitter that LinkedIn drives more clicks to Laravel News than Twitter does.

Ian

00:56:24 – 00:56:30

Yeah. Which makes sense. It all makes sense. But now it's just like, how do I retrain my brain? I I know.

Ian

00:56:30 – 00:56:31

It's very difficult.

Aaron

00:56:31 – 00:56:32

I know.

Ian

00:56:32 – 00:56:48

But I I do want to because I think it just makes a lot more sense over there. But, we'll see. Maybe with some of this new stuff coming down the pike, I can I can try to rework my brain over to there a bit more? But so what have you utilized? Like, have you posted about screencasting or what have you done?

Aaron

00:56:49 – 00:57:02

Screencasting. I've posted. I've shared some of the YouTube videos. And then Mhmm. Something I'm trying to do something I'm trying to do as much as makes sense, whenever I have something visual to share is make a little video about it.

Aaron

00:57:02 – 00:57:23

Even if it's just like a screen recording, not like a talking head or anything. Yeah. Because to my understanding, which I don't spend a lot of time, you know, researching the rules of these networks, but to my understanding, every network is, like, they want you to stay they want the viewers to stay as long as possible. They want video. They want engagement.

Aaron

00:57:23 – 00:57:51

And so I I think I always think, like, what do the networks want? What do I want to do slash what am I comfortable, like, putting out there publicly? Like, I don't ever wanna end up in the spot where I'm I'm, like, tweeting these wise business sayings because they get a lot of engagement. So, like, there's some happy medium between what does the network want, what do I wanna do, what is honest to me. And honestly, video video is very easy.

Aaron

00:57:51 – 00:58:15

So, like, with the with the site redesign, you know, I'm tinkering around and I'm like, hey, I like the way that this looks. I could do a screenshot and that's better than nothing. Or I could make a little video of the interaction and then tweet that and put that also on LinkedIn. And that, I think, drives the engagement up a little bit and at least drives the watch time up. And then so then Twitter's like, yeah, we'll push this to more people.

Aaron

00:58:15 – 00:58:28

Right. So that that's kinda that's kinda what I've done recently is, you know, take these short little screen recording videos that are, like, you know, 30 seconds or whatever. Right. And then put a little bit of text with, like, hey. I'm working on this thing.

Aaron

00:58:28 – 00:58:52

And that's another thing. I always wanna be, like, a little bit of the moment and talk about what I'm actually doing and not, like, I'm sitting in my ivory tower talking about, you know, how you should think about software development or business. Like, that's just not my brand, and I don't wanna do that. So that's kinda that's kinda what I'm thinking in terms of what am I putting on in specifically LinkedIn at this point.

Ian

00:58:52 – 00:59:02

Yeah. Now that I have the new video set up, I I kinda wanna do more video too. I think that makes sense. It is it is pretty quick to do, really. And, and I'll have the screencasting course to make sure I'm doing it correctly.

Ian

00:59:02 – 00:59:06

Because that is part I I get into, like, ScreenFlow, and I'm like, I don't know what I'm doing in here.

Aaron

00:59:06 – 00:59:06

Forget it.

Ian

00:59:06 – 00:59:12

So, like Yep. I got you. That'll be good. Yeah. So, yeah.

Ian

00:59:12 – 00:59:31

So doing more video. How do you handle this? Like, there is this so I'm starting to think about some of the stuff for, like, my new projects. And it's like how early you talk about them. Like, I think you know, because you're so small whether you're, like, just you or even with a small team, it's like stuff just comes up and then you're sidetracked for a month.

Ian

00:59:31 – 00:59:43

That just happens all the time. Uh-huh. So then you don't make any progress for a month. And so I hate talking about it too early, but also you have to talk about it. I think a lot of the interest of engagement is like, here's what I'm doing.

Ian

00:59:43 – 01:00:00

This is what went wrong. Like, so if I'm not talking about it early, then it's just like, oh, it's launch day and then whatever. You haven't built up any momentum. So there is this, like, balance of, like, I want it to be functional to some degree before I really get into talking about it, but also not too far along that it's already too far along. So

Aaron

01:00:01 – 01:00:15

I feel that I feel that deep in my bones. Yeah. Because, like, we talked about, you know, expansion contraction, you do a thing and then you're like, I can't do this thing right now. And then, you know, you cut it. And I'll be honest, it's a little embarrassing to talk about something you're doing.

Aaron

01:00:16 – 01:00:16

Yeah. That's

Ian

01:00:16 – 01:00:17

true too.

Aaron

01:00:17 – 01:00:29

Have to, like, have to pull back for a second. And then months later, people are like, oh, are you ever gonna finish that thing? I'm like, yeah. Honestly, I'm trying. Like, yes, I want to, and I will.

Aaron

01:00:29 – 01:00:39

But, like, I I have a full life full of things that I'm doing that are not just like the one thing that I'm tweeting about or the one thing that you latched on to that I'm tweeting about. Right?

Ian

01:00:39 – 01:00:40

Right.

Aaron

01:00:40 – 01:00:50

So, yeah, I I feel that a lot, and I think the risk so the benefits let's talk about the benefits. The upside, I think, is potentially unlimited. You know?

Ian

01:00:50 – 01:00:50

Right.

Aaron

01:00:50 – 01:01:12

You you share the thing, somebody shares it, whatever whatever. The whole the whole deal of, like, you put yourself out there, good things are gonna happen. The downside is you're gonna potentially be embarrassed, and I feel that a lot. Like, I feel that a whole lot of I'll put something out there and then have to drop it for sometimes a long time, and people are like, why didn't you do that? And it's it is embarrassing, and it sucks, and I hate it.

Aaron

01:01:14 – 01:01:40

But I think it's better. Like, I have found that it's better to just, like, talk about what you're working on at the time, and then, like, just kind of hope hope that you carry it through. Like, I have a lot of open I have a lot of open threads on what I'm doing and what people know that I'm doing and that sort of stuff. And sometimes I'll pick up a thread and, like, push it down the road a little bit, mixed metaphor. I'll push the you know, kick the ball down the field, whatever.

Ian

01:01:40 – 01:01:41

Right.

Aaron

01:01:41 – 01:01:55

And sometimes I I have I have to drop it. But, like, I think the screencasting one is a good example. I didn't really tweet much about it at all until I was pretty close to being done. Yeah. Because that one I knew, like, man, you got a long road ahead of you.

Aaron

01:01:55 – 01:02:00

Like, you just got the design done, and that the design is very cool. I got the design done in, like, April or something.

Ian

01:02:00 – 01:02:01

Right.

Aaron

01:02:01 – 01:02:08

But I hadn't recorded a single video, and I was like, I'm not I'm not gonna start this treadmill until I'm pretty close to done because I got

Ian

01:02:08 – 01:02:10

one good example for me. I like that.

Aaron

01:02:10 – 01:02:23

Yeah. Yeah. I wanna keep the hype. Like, I wanna carry the hype through to, like, the launch day where people pay me money and buy the thing instead of, like, this is something I'm just kinda working on. Let's all see how it develops together.

Aaron

01:02:23 – 01:02:26

So I don't know. It's tough.

Ian

01:02:26 – 01:02:30

It is tough. It's it's a very tough call. Yeah. But I like the idea. I mean, I guess that's kinda what I was thinking.

Ian

01:02:30 – 01:02:52

It's like, I wanna get things to a point where they're, like, semi functional and more than just an idea in my head, but then Yes. Definitely way before, yeah, it's coming out in a month or whatever. Like, it's gotta be before that. What kinda gets into this whole idea too of, like, I don't know. Maybe we should save this for another episode, but I wanna get into that Tony Fadell tweet at some point.

Ian

01:02:52 – 01:02:55

I'm obsessed with and let's save that. Because I feel like that's

Aaron

01:02:55 – 01:02:58

that's gonna be a big one. You know what you know what I wanna end on?

Ian

01:02:59 – 01:03:00

Yeah. It's good. I wanna

Aaron

01:03:00 – 01:03:03

end on the fact that your kids aren't gonna drive. What what's going on there?

Ian

01:03:04 – 01:03:15

Trust me. It's this is a very interesting interesting story. You as a young a young parent, I'm gonna come down, be the old wise man Alright. Yeah. Impart knowledge.

Ian

01:03:16 – 01:03:41

But, like, you just have all these thoughts about your kids when they're little or before you have kids or all these things. And then, like, what actually how the world changes along the way is quite interesting. And then how that impacts your children is quite interesting because the world you have your kids in will not be the world that they grow up in and then become young adults in. Yeah. And so yeah.

Ian

01:03:41 – 01:03:49

Like, everything's changed in the world. So I don't know. Of the 3 kids, only the oldest so far has not got his license and doesn't have really any interest

Aaron

01:03:49 – 01:03:51

in the job. So again. How old are they?

Ian

01:03:52 – 01:03:53

So he's 17.

Aaron

01:03:53 – 01:03:54

17.

Ian

01:03:54 – 01:04:08

And then the younger 2 are 2 young guys, 13 and, 10. So Okay. So the 70 year old at least right now, are the younger 2 are, like, we wanna drive. Like, they are a little more like how I felt. I mean, I was there literally the day I turned

Aaron

01:04:08 – 01:04:09

16 Yeah. Same.

Ian

01:04:09 – 01:04:16

In in the DMV to, like, get my license and do all that stuff on. But, yeah, the oldest, he's not interested in it. And then at first we were How

Aaron

01:04:16 – 01:04:17

does he get around?

Ian

01:04:18 – 01:04:22

It's so the he is okay with sacrifices I would not be okay with. So

Aaron

01:04:23 – 01:04:23

Okay.

Ian

01:04:24 – 01:04:34

Like, obviously, we take them or pretty much, like, obviously, we're taking most of the time. He has a girlfriend, so sometimes the girlfriend's family takes him. But, like, even right

Aaron

01:04:34 – 01:04:36

there drive? The The girlfriend doesn't drive either?

Ian

01:04:36 – 01:04:40

The girlfriend doesn't drive and he doesn't What? I know. And so like when I'm

Aaron

01:04:40 – 01:04:41

Oh my goodness.

Ian

01:04:41 – 01:04:54

I'm married to the woman that I was dating when I was his age. So we are married. My wife and I have been together the whole time. And, like, I was I, like, lived at her house. Like, I like, as soon as I got my license, I was gone.

Ian

01:04:54 – 01:05:04

I was at her house all day every day. And we would go we whatever. We're driving all over. We went to go to New York City even though that was illegal, because you have to be 18 to drive there. We'd be all over the place.

Ian

01:05:04 – 01:05:14

Right? And so we just I mean, I literally was never home. The minute I got my license, that's it. That's the last my family saw me. I was out, like, 8 AM till midnight every day.

Ian

01:05:14 – 01:05:22

I was out in the world. And I don't know. He's, like, fine with it. I and part of that is, like, not the technology, like, whatever. He can talk to his girlfriend.

Ian

01:05:22 – 01:05:28

He can message her. He can video chat with her. He could do whatever. Like, I don't know. Like, they're okay with it.

Ian

01:05:28 – 01:05:41

And so then we started, like, just seeing these articles pop up. This is not even weird. Like, this is just a this is a thing now. Really? It's like a huge percentage of kids are not getting their license when they're 16.

Ian

01:05:41 – 01:05:54

It's like 50% or something crazy. And and yeah. So I don't know. Like, is it because they know there's Uber? Is it because, like, people are gonna live in cities and they feel like they don't need it?

Ian

01:05:54 – 01:06:07

I I I don't know. But he doesn't really have any interest, and he's okay with the limitations of, like, obviously only being able to go places when we can take him for the most part. And, yeah. Wow. So it's very it's very interesting.

Aaron

01:06:08 – 01:06:20

Okay. So being 16, driving through McDonald's and getting a McFlurry. Live to McDonald's. Drive around at, like, 11 at night listening to postal service, thinking how you're never gonna die. Like, that is

Ian

01:06:20 – 01:06:29

being 16. I know. It's very strange to me. That is be yes. I would just drive up and down our main road, like, listen to music.

Aaron

01:06:30 – 01:06:31

Take the long way home. Yep.

Ian

01:06:32 – 01:06:44

Yep. Just, like, back and forth. And, yeah, like but, you know, that's a whole weird thing, I mean, with technology, I think. I mean, this is all part of the I guess I feel like it's possibly a detriment. Who knows if it's actually detriment?

Aaron

01:06:44 – 01:06:48

Breath. You were you were stealing yourself about whatever you were about to say there.

Ian

01:06:49 – 01:07:02

It's like even just driving around in my town, which is the town I grew up in, so I know this town very well. I mean, when I'd ride my bike around before I had a license Mhmm. There was kids everywhere. Kids on bikes. I remember being scared of the kids on bikes.

Ian

01:07:02 – 01:07:11

I remember being friends with other kids on bikes, kids walking, kids everywhere. And there's no kids anywhere now. Like, there's no kids riding bikes. There's no kids walking. There's no kids anywhere.

Ian

01:07:11 – 01:07:26

So I do think there is and then, yeah, I mean, you think about, like, like, how did COVID impact all that? Like, all these kids in their kind of formative years were like, well, no. Now, like, you're already staying inside a lot because you have game systems and phones and all these things. And now, like, no. You're really staying inside.

Ian

01:07:26 – 01:07:44

And I don't know. So it's just like that this is the culture for this age range, but I don't know. He said he might get it at some point, so he's not totally totally written it off, but he's not in any rush. Wow. Which is very interesting, and definitely one of these things where, like, yeah.

Ian

01:07:44 – 01:07:51

Like, I would never in a 1000000 years think I'd have a kid who didn't wanna drive because, like, I was, like, miss driver number 1. Like, I was there.

Aaron

01:07:51 – 01:07:52

Number 1 doing it.

Ian

01:07:52 – 01:07:55

So, yeah, it's interesting.

Aaron

01:07:55 – 01:08:02

Yeah. I mean, my my bet with my wife is that our kids will never learn to drive because cars will drive themselves. I see.

Ian

01:08:02 – 01:08:03

I'm not say that. Yeah.

Aaron

01:08:03 – 01:08:08

But not because they won't want to. Maybe I'll win the bet on a technicality. So, like, maybe that's Yeah.

Ian

01:08:08 – 01:08:08

There you go.

Aaron

01:08:08 – 01:08:17

I love winning. Yeah. As long as I win, I'm happy. But I've I've been watching, like, the I think it's Zooks. Maybe z o o x has won.

Aaron

01:08:17 – 01:08:27

Cruz has won. But, like, the Zooks cars are it's interesting when you go to, like, autonomous vehicles, like, for real autonomous vehicles.

Ian

01:08:27 – 01:08:27

Mhmm.

Aaron

01:08:27 – 01:08:32

They don't have to be the interiors don't have to be designed and shaped like cars of the past. Right?

Ian

01:08:32 – 01:08:33

That's what I want. Yeah.

Aaron

01:08:33 – 01:08:55

Yeah. And so these Zooks cars are like mobile living rooms, basically, or they're like, you know, single, like, single parts of a train but on wheels. So you have, like, 4 seats that face each other. And you just kinda push a button and it shows up and the little, you know, the little doors open and you climb in and then they close. And I think that's gonna be frankly, I think that's gonna be the future.

Aaron

01:08:55 – 01:09:14

I think it's gonna be, even if you own 1, maybe maybe you own 1. Maybe not everything is a rental or, on demand or whatever, but you have a vehicle that, like, you can you can get in and tune out until you get to the spot you're going. And we don't have time to talk about it today, but, also, I think tunnels are the future. You get me started about tunneling.

Ian

01:09:15 – 01:09:17

The Elon. We can do it. Trade.

Aaron

01:09:17 – 01:09:29

Yeah. We can do a whole hour on how everything should be underground. So but I think I think that's the future. But, hey, if I went on a technicality of, like, you know, kids just wanna stay inside, I I guess so.

Ian

01:09:29 – 01:09:38

I mean, you should check the fine print of your I know. I know. I mean, I mean, I actually is does it have to be truly autonomous or just that nobody drives anymore? Because everybody I'll keep bringing it up

Aaron

01:09:38 – 01:09:40

to her, and I'll just drop, like, the autonomous.

Ian

01:09:40 – 01:09:45

Headsets and, like, nobody actually leaves the house anymore. So Exactly. Yeah. Could be. Could

Aaron

01:09:45 – 01:09:48

be. Yeah. Okay. Well, we'll see. Check back in let's see.

Ian

01:09:48 – 01:09:48

They're 2

Aaron

01:09:48 – 01:09:52

years old. Check back in 14 years. So stay tuned. Yeah.

Ian

01:09:52 – 01:10:00

7,008100 and 46 will Yeah. Exactly. Know for sure, but, I mean, sounds good.

Aaron

01:10:01 – 01:10:02

Alright. Talk to you soon.

Ian

01:10:02 – 01:10:04

See you. We will yeah. I wanna Hey. Hey. Hold on.

Aaron

01:10:04 – 01:10:06

Oh, oh, well, we have all of

Ian

01:10:06 – 01:10:09

this now. Where to find us. Yes. Because every episode, you're, like, telling

Aaron

01:10:09 – 01:10:10

me to find us. Last time.

Ian

01:10:10 – 01:10:12

Yeah. It was. I don't know where to find us. Yeah. Yeah.

Aaron

01:10:12 – 01:10:15

Yeah. Do the thing where you say, alright, man, and I'll say, alright, and then we'll go

Ian

01:10:15 – 01:10:16

to where to find us.

Aaron

01:10:16 – 01:10:17

So start over. Go ahead. Alright.

Ian

01:10:18 – 01:10:19

Alright, man.

Aaron

01:10:19 – 01:10:22

Alright. Well, Ian, where can people find us? That's perfect.

Ian

01:10:23 – 01:10:31

You can find us at mostlytechnical.com, on Twitter at mostlytechpod. I I guess we should get a LinkedIn. I don't know if that's even a thing, but

Aaron

01:10:31 – 01:10:32

we should do that. I know.

Ian

01:10:32 – 01:10:43

And then, mostlytechnicalpodcast@gmail dotcom. So if you have feedback, you can, send that there, or just hit us up on Twitter, and we will note that for the feedback segments. But, alright. Thanks a lot, everybody.

Aaron

01:10:44 – 01:10:46

Okay. Now that's the end. See you.

Ian

01:10:46 – 01:10:46

See you.

The Year of Livewire

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