Aaron Francis

Ian & Aaron discuss Chilipad, the Aaron Francis Studio of Light and Sound, the week of calls, how to properly apply to a job, Shibboleth secret passwords, what's next for Aaron, the background on how Try Hard Studios came to be, and behind the scenes on the creation of their launch video. Sponsored by Laracasts, LaraJobs & Screencasting.com.

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Transcript

Ian

00:00:01 – 00:00:02

Alright. Welcome back.

Aaron

00:00:03 – 00:00:05

Mister Landsman, how we doing?

Ian

00:00:06 – 00:00:13

Good. Good. I wanna start off with we have our 1st, commercial sponsor of the podcast.

Aaron

00:00:13 – 00:00:14

We did it.

Ian

00:00:14 – 00:00:44

Just very cool. Thank you, to let me bring it up. Thank you to Laracast, long time friend, Geoffrey Way. LaraCast, I mean, I've been using LaraCast for 10 years, literally. So, if you're not aware what LaraCast is, it's the premier kind of place to learn Laravel and really all topics, web development, do just an amazing job with, tutorials, Jeffrey and his team over there.

Ian

00:00:44 – 00:01:04

So definitely check that out. It's only $19 a month. They actually have the lifetime deal still. I think it's, like, 3.99 for life, which is what I would do honestly and what I have done, and gotten way more than my fair share out of it. So, thanks to Jeff for reaching out and Laracast for sponsoring the podcast.

Ian

00:01:05 – 00:01:19

Truly appreciate it. If you are interested in sponsoring, definitely let us know on Twitter or you can email us. But, yeah, thanks to Laracasts. And, Aaron, I'm sure you've you've used Laracasts. Right?

Aaron

00:01:20 – 00:01:21

Ian, come on. Hey.

Ian

00:01:21 – 00:01:22

Come on.

Aaron

00:01:22 – 00:01:23

Look at me. Come on.

Ian

00:01:23 – 00:01:26

Were they a mentor of yours, I assume. Right?

Aaron

00:01:26 – 00:01:36

Yeah. I'm a, I'm a lifetime member, of course. You know, I purchased many, many, many years ago, and I'm a Lyricast instructor. So I've got a course on there.

Ian

00:01:36 – 00:01:38

Oh, wait a minute. What course did you do?

Aaron

00:01:38 – 00:01:54

Get out of here. One on Sidecar. That, open source library that I wrote. So I think it's like a serverless functions or something like that. It's part of the the creator series, which he did, which is, like, people that create libraries.

Aaron

00:01:54 – 00:02:03

So, like, I think Jack McDade has a statamic one. I think Caleb did a LiveWire 1, and then I did one on Sidecar. So, yeah, I know there's still a cast.

Ian

00:02:03 – 00:02:19

Stuff on there now. It's, it's just unbelievable. I mean, they look at all the JavaScript stuff. They got live wire, like you mentioned. It's, you know, way more than Laravel at this point, but, he also just released the Laravel 11 huge series that kind of brings you up the speed on all that.

Ian

00:02:19 – 00:02:25

So definitely check out Lara Casts, if you haven't. If you're somebody out there who hasn't Yeah. For the

Aaron

00:02:25 – 00:02:28

4 people listening that haven't already bought a

Ian

00:02:28 – 00:02:28

lifetime membership,

Aaron

00:02:28 – 00:02:29

please do that. Thank you,

Ian

00:02:31 – 00:02:43

Jeffrey, for sponsoring us even though you're sponsoring it too, what I'm sure is a a Laracast heavy audience. Yes. We we really appreciate it. And definitely, if you aren't a subscriber, definitely check it out. It helps the show and helps a lot of our community.

Ian

00:02:43 – 00:02:51

So thank you, Laracast. Yes. Alright. We have a little bit of feedback I just wanted to cover, and then you have a lot of stuff to talk about. But, Yeah.

Aaron

00:02:51 – 00:03:01

It's kinda kind of an emergency pod because, you know, today is Friday, and we're gonna put it out as quickly as we can. And then we got a big one scheduled for Monday, but, you know, the show must go on. Yeah.

Ian

00:03:01 – 00:03:09

We got kinda fell behind a little bit. I was a little under the weather Monday, but we're catching up now. We got an emergency pod. It's all kinda worked out, actually. So, it's good.

Ian

00:03:10 – 00:03:24

Yep. So we do have a lot of feedback too. I'm gonna all of it's not gonna make it to the show. Sorry to some of you who wrote in, I will write back to some of you, to follow-up anyway, but I do have a full few pieces I pulled out here. Andrew Mason had some feedback.

Ian

00:03:24 – 00:03:35

I thought this was very appropriate. He's like, Hey, we used to talk about Taylor Swift a lot. Taylor Swift, queen of the breakup song. Is Aaron gonna do a breakup song? That's what, that's what he wants to know.

Ian

00:03:35 – 00:03:38

And I don't know. You're gonna bust out? You're gonna do some singing, some dancing?

Aaron

00:03:38 – 00:03:47

You know you know, I wanna keep many of the listeners that we gained through the layoff story, and so I will not be singing here. But instead,

Ian

00:03:48 – 00:03:48

we could talk

Aaron

00:03:48 – 00:03:55

about this in a little bit. Maybe I'll start a a break up company. So maybe that's Oh. Maybe that's my version of T Swift's break up song.

Ian

00:03:56 – 00:03:58

Not vengeance DB, I I don't think, but something

Aaron

00:03:58 – 00:04:02

No. No. No. Just just regular vengeance incorporated. Yeah.

Aaron

00:04:02 – 00:04:04

Not not a not a database thing at all. Yeah.

Ian

00:04:06 – 00:04:17

Alright. And then we also had a question from Anthony McClowsky. Just a quick feedback on your sleep stack and how that's going in the, chill pad. Is that what it's called?

Aaron

00:04:17 – 00:04:18

Chili pad. Yeah.

Ian

00:04:18 – 00:04:18

Chili pad. They

Aaron

00:04:18 – 00:04:35

pump chili through it. Yeah. Well, I refuse to call it a sleep stack, because that's very San Francisco, and I think Anthony knows that because I said that on Twitter. So my my sleeping, arrangement, my ritual is going great, Ian. It's going amazing.

Ian

00:04:35 – 00:04:36

Wow.

Aaron

00:04:36 – 00:04:41

I'm sleeping through the night. I think a lot of that has to do with the chili pad,

Ian

00:04:42 – 00:04:42

right,

Aaron

00:04:42 – 00:04:58

because it is keeping me it is keeping me cold and or cool. You know, the younger twins have started sleeping through the night. I've stopped caffeine, you know, past 11, really, and I've cut back drastically on how much I'm drinking at all. Still off the diet Cokes.

Ian

00:04:59 – 00:04:59

Oh, wow. Okay.

Aaron

00:04:59 – 00:05:12

And, occasionally, I'll take some, some CBD before bed. And it, like I feel like all of those things combined have helped me sleep, and I just feel I feel so much better.

Ian

00:05:13 – 00:05:19

That's awesome. Yeah. When your sleep's off, it's so hard. Just every single other aspect of your life gets way worse when the sleep's off. Everything gets worse.

Aaron

00:05:20 – 00:05:29

So yeah. Feeling better. Highly recommend the chili pad if you're waking up warm or having trouble regulating the temperature in your room. Very, very recommended.

Ian

00:05:30 – 00:05:38

Alright. Awesome. Well, I mean, we gotta address what's behind you here. I mean, you're in the Darren Francis studio of light and sound. So

Aaron

00:05:38 – 00:05:39

am. Yeah.

Ian

00:05:39 – 00:05:48

Looks like you went a different way than what we saw on Twitter a little bit. On Twitter, you kinda had some shelves and some stuff. I did. Yeah. A little more, kind of just some photos and things.

Ian

00:05:48 – 00:05:50

So give us the scoop. What's going on?

Aaron

00:05:50 – 00:06:07

Yeah. So I'm in here. I'm in the apartment studio, which is officially the Air and Francis Studio of Light and Sound. And so this wall behind me, if you're not watching on YouTube, this is gonna be real difficult for you. This wall behind me, there's a window behind that wall.

Aaron

00:06:07 – 00:06:14

So that's where the false wall, is built, which is just like yeah. It's so awesome. So stupid and so awesome.

Ian

00:06:14 – 00:06:20

It is. Like, it's one of those things that's totally stupid. It makes no sense, but it's also just amazing and awesome. Yeah. Yeah.

Ian

00:06:20 – 00:06:20

Kind of

Aaron

00:06:20 – 00:06:27

my that's kind of my A little bit of your shit. Yeah. What is stupid and awesome? And I should do that thing to the uttermost.

Ian

00:06:27 – 00:06:29

Which I go over the top with.

Aaron

00:06:29 – 00:06:52

Exactly. So IKEA cabinets, IKEA pegboard. And then right now, I've got I've just got all that art resting on the cabinets or on the countertop. But I think I'll probably you know, I'll hang some of it and make it a little more gallery wall ish, put some books on the countertop. Got my lighting all set up, got a new camera, so I'm finally I'm finally as as 4 k as you are, Ian.

Aaron

00:06:52 – 00:07:01

The other camera had 4 k. I just didn't have it enabled. But now I've got this camera with 4 k, and I'm feeling like, god. I gotta really visit a dermatologist. This 4 k is

Ian

00:07:01 – 00:07:05

too high resolution. The worst. High resolution. Yeah. They're like that.

Ian

00:07:05 – 00:07:06

I'm like, I can

Aaron

00:07:06 – 00:07:25

scoot back. Like, where I need a I need a blur filter on this thing. Yep. But, yeah, it's it's awesome being here. Like, I'm still smoothie guy, so, you know, I can just walk out to the kitchen, make my smoothie, walk down to the gym, hit the hit the elliptical and the weights for, like, 20 minutes and walk back up.

Aaron

00:07:26 – 00:07:32

Private bathroom, little balcony. I can look over the pool. It's like I'm I'm truly living. It's wonderful.

Ian

00:07:32 – 00:07:37

Yeah. That's great. That's awesome. Yeah. It seems like you've gone for a little more of a is this intentional?

Ian

00:07:37 – 00:07:46

Like, the lighting is something different. It's more of a contract, like a black and white kind of situation, or maybe that's just because of the board. I don't know. There's there's definitely a different vibe.

Aaron

00:07:47 – 00:08:08

Yeah. This is a different vibe for sure. I went, the old studio was very much or the old room was very much, dark and the background was dark, and there were, like, some neon lights on it and stuff. And this is very clean, very white, and much, much brighter. And that is, that's the aesthetic that I'm going for in here.

Aaron

00:08:08 – 00:08:20

And I have a different setting. There's some lights back there. I have a different setting that warms up the whole background, so it makes it a lot moodier. Right. But this is, like, my clean, modern workshop, like Right.

Ian

00:08:20 – 00:08:24

You're you're in the shop. Working light. Yeah. Exactly. I like Yeah.

Ian

00:08:24 – 00:08:29

It's a little bit different than what other people are doing, which I think is good. Kinda stands out. Yeah.

Aaron

00:08:29 – 00:08:45

Yeah. That's the goal. And whether or not I put up, you know, those colored, you know, go v lights that I had, I I don't really know. I might I might have a scene that that looks a lot more like gamery. But right now, I'm going for, like, clean professional, not, you know, degenerate gamer.

Aaron

00:08:45 – 00:08:46

So You

Ian

00:08:46 – 00:08:50

could switch it up too. Go go on your vibe. You know? Yeah. Whatever you're feeling.

Aaron

00:08:50 – 00:08:55

Exactly. If I ever start streaming myself playing, like, Factorio or something, I'll put the neon lights back there again.

Ian

00:08:55 – 00:08:56

Then you have to.

Aaron

00:08:56 – 00:09:05

Yeah, pump music, and it'll it'll be great. So, yeah, it's, it's good to be here. I feel like I can work here, which is really nice.

Ian

00:09:05 – 00:09:07

Commuting is good and all that?

Aaron

00:09:07 – 00:09:17

Commuting is awesome. It's like from the rent house, it's like 5 minutes. And from the house that we're gonna move into soon, it's like 3 minutes, maybe 2. Wow. You know?

Ian

00:09:17 – 00:09:18

So what's

Aaron

00:09:18 – 00:09:24

one and one minute of that is getting up into the apartment garage because, you know, those are a nightmare. So it's awesome. Yeah. I love it.

Ian

00:09:25 – 00:09:28

And moving to the new house, timeline?

Aaron

00:09:29 – 00:09:35

Man, who knows? Who knows for sure? Yeah. The carry costs are just through the roof, aren't they?

Ian

00:09:35 – 00:09:36

Right. Right.

Aaron

00:09:36 – 00:09:54

So our our lease and the rental is up May 1st, and I think we're gonna extend that to June 30th so we get an extra 2 months. Yep. But I the new house should be done well before then. It's just a matter of, like, we don't wanna super crunch moving because moving is a nightmare and moving with 4 kids Definitely. Is probably a 4 x nightmare.

Aaron

00:09:54 – 00:09:56

Maybe it maybe a 40 x nightmare. Yeah.

Ian

00:09:57 – 00:09:58

It's a big nightmare for sure.

Aaron

00:09:58 – 00:10:04

Yeah. So they should be done. Cabinets are there. We've picked out countertops. Drywall is up.

Aaron

00:10:04 – 00:10:10

So, you know Man. Knowing knowing as much as I know about construction, which is not that much.

Ian

00:10:10 – 00:10:12

And this is a new house? Is this a new house? No.

Aaron

00:10:12 – 00:10:13

It's a full remodel.

Ian

00:10:14 – 00:10:15

Oh, okay. Yeah. Full

Aaron

00:10:15 – 00:10:18

downstairs remodel. Studs. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.

Ian

00:10:19 – 00:10:21

Okay. That's still a big job.

Aaron

00:10:21 – 00:10:25

Still a big job, man. Yeah. Count your chicken for the time. Yeah.

Ian

00:10:25 – 00:10:25

Definitely Yeah.

Aaron

00:10:25 – 00:10:26

Don't get

Ian

00:10:26 – 00:10:31

in the couple extra months. Definitely a good idea. Yeah. Never know what might, what might pop up there.

Aaron

00:10:32 – 00:10:47

No. And, man, can you imagine if it came May 1st and they had a new tenant ready to move into the house we're in and we had nowhere to go, and it was like Yeah. You had one job. You had one job, and it was make sure your family has housing. So I'm just, you

Ian

00:10:47 – 00:10:56

know, I'm gonna make sure that that is the case. Yeah. You don't wanna have to go somewhere in between, like, trying to all your everybody all of you 6 of you in the studio. That's

Aaron

00:10:56 – 00:10:58

not gonna work. Way. Yeah. No. Yep.

Aaron

00:10:58 – 00:10:58

Yep.

Ian

00:10:58 – 00:11:02

So I think that's a good call. It's always better to play it safe on these things.

Aaron

00:11:02 – 00:11:04

Yeah. I think so.

Ian

00:11:05 – 00:11:05

Cool.

Aaron

00:11:05 – 00:11:18

Alright. One more one more piece of of follow-up. Last episode last episode, we talked about Kelsey Hightower, and I couldn't remember where he worked. Okay. I got a nice email reminding me that Kelsey Hightower worked at Google.

Aaron

00:11:20 – 00:11:33

And interesting, I remember Kelsey Hightower, but not Google. And I think that's like hopefully hopefully, that's the case moving forward as people will remember me and follow me wherever I go. That is the hope. Like we did with Kelsey Hightower, I hope.

Ian

00:11:33 – 00:11:40

Right. Yeah. I do think that is yeah. Definitely. I remember the people more than the place they work for these kind of folks.

Ian

00:11:41 – 00:12:00

But, yeah, I honestly could I could barely tell you who Kelsey Hightower is, to be honest with you, and I certainly couldn't tell you, where where he worked. So, yes, that is excellent follow-up there. So last we left, it was interview week. So you guys interview after interview. It was stacked and packed.

Aaron

00:12:01 – 00:12:02

Stacked and packed.

Ian

00:12:02 – 00:12:02

How'd that go?

Aaron

00:12:03 – 00:12:03

A day.

Ian

00:12:05 – 00:12:08

An hour? Half an hour? How are you working these?

Aaron

00:12:08 – 00:12:17

Half an hour. Yeah. SavvyCal SavvyCal really, really paid for itself here. I I ran everything through SavvyCal. Mhmm.

Aaron

00:12:17 – 00:12:21

So shout out to shout out to Derek Reimer and SavvyCal.

Ian

00:12:21 – 00:12:22

Yep.

Aaron

00:12:22 – 00:12:39

Yeah. So, you know, I got laid off on a Wednesday. I pushed everybody off until the next week. And so then last week was, was interview week and it was also like a phone call with friends and advisors week, You know?

Ian

00:12:40 – 00:12:41

Get some advice.

Aaron

00:12:41 – 00:12:50

So last week, I I had, I think, 39 calls. I looked at my calendar and counted it up. I think it was 39 calls. Yeah. That's wild.

Ian

00:12:50 – 00:12:53

It's, like, awesome and also terrible at the same time. I'm like Yeah.

Aaron

00:12:53 – 00:12:59

Yeah. Totally totally awesome and, like, super duper encouraging and also terribly exhausting.

Ian

00:13:00 – 00:13:00

Right.

Aaron

00:13:01 – 00:13:26

So I had all these calls, and, there were a lot, like first of all, everyone was incredibly, like, kind and supportive, and it was just, like, it was really kind of, like, a super encouragement to, like, do all of these calls because everybody was like, yeah. We know who you are. You're doing great work. We would love for you to do that with us. Like, really?

Aaron

00:13:26 – 00:13:28

I don't have to, like, send you a stupid resume or something?

Ian

00:13:29 – 00:13:31

No cover letter. No resume. No. Just

Aaron

00:13:31 – 00:13:31

No. Nothing.

Ian

00:13:31 – 00:13:32

Just show up.

Aaron

00:13:32 – 00:13:32

Just like, hey.

Ian

00:13:32 – 00:13:33

Just be you.

Aaron

00:13:33 – 00:13:34

You've seen the work you're doing, which

Ian

00:13:35 – 00:13:35

Yeah.

Aaron

00:13:35 – 00:13:36

Made that maybe that's a takeaway is

Ian

00:13:37 – 00:14:02

Which, I mean, yeah, tie that back. Let's tie that back to one of the earliest episodes. And one of the things you talked about and had a great talk on and everything is, like, put the work out there. Like it's such a huge advantage, like to put the work out there and have people know you and have ins with people and connections, whether it's like, obviously you're exhibiting a somewhat extreme case, but even in a smaller case, it's like, you don't need 40 people to call you. You need 2.

Ian

00:14:03 – 00:14:21

Right? So it's just like you make a name for yourself and you're gonna get an opportunity when you need one. Like, that's such a huge thing or someone to just retweet you at the right moment or to share you with their group or whatever. It's like just that little, push just by putting yourself out there a little bit. So yeah.

Ian

00:14:21 – 00:14:21

Yep.

Aaron

00:14:21 – 00:14:28

I looked back, when I when I applied at Tuple, which was, you know, a few years ago now

Ian

00:14:28 – 00:14:28

Mhmm.

Aaron

00:14:28 – 00:14:54

I put together a web page. It's just aaron aaronfrancis.com/tuple, and it's my, like, it's my, you know, resume slash application. And on there, I just said, hey, Ben. Like, here's all the stuff I've done that you can go look at. And I think that's such a, like, that's such a cheat code to have work publicly available so you don't have to be like, I promise I did great stuff at my company that I can't show you, but I you have to trust me.

Aaron

00:14:55 – 00:15:01

Having stuff that's like, hey. Look. You can it's out there. It's been out there for a while. I'm not just doing this for your edification.

Aaron

00:15:01 – 00:15:04

Like, it's out there. You could go look at it. And if this works, it works.

Ian

00:15:06 – 00:15:23

So I side a little side quest here as we've been talking about this kind of in personal telegrams with, like, people hiring. And I know Adam Wathan's been talking about it publicly, but it's like people, they don't put in extra effort when they apply for jobs. They don't even read the instructions. So read the instructions

Aaron

00:15:23 – 00:15:26

see his tweet that said 90% people

Ian

00:15:26 – 00:15:27

I know. Don't follow

Aaron

00:15:27 – 00:15:29

the instructions. Yes.

Ian

00:15:29 – 00:15:37

Yeah. That's like really well. It's one of my same experience. Like, that literally don't follow the instructions and I just instantly discard them. Like they, I want a cover letter.

Ian

00:15:37 – 00:15:58

They don't send a cover letter or they send an obviously just generic cover letter. That's just, I don't even read your resume. I just move on to the next thing. And so right there, if you just do that little extra work of like a cover letter, so this is just something that's applicable, not internet, fancy startup shit, just like generic big co. They almost always want some kind of cover letter or cover email, whatever.

Ian

00:15:59 – 00:16:21

Like, just do that. Like just literally do a good job on that. And yes, that is already a huge step and then follow any instructions Alright. That you're already at, like, the 5 percentile of, like, people and what they're doing. And then, yeah, I think certainly for jobs you're really interested in, especially at smaller companies, like what you did for Tupelo, going that extra extra step, which is still not a huge step.

Ian

00:16:21 – 00:16:37

I mean, this we'll put a link in the show notes to your page. I mean, it's not like you spent 2 days on this website and stuff flying all over and it's like 2 special. Like this is just like addressed to the founder. A nice little paragraph, some links to your shit. Like, that's it.

Ian

00:16:37 – 00:16:48

It took you probably half an hour, an hour, whatever. And, and that right there is gonna make a huge impression. And and that was a job you were hired for, we should say, for people who don't know. So it actually worked.

Aaron

00:16:48 – 00:16:49

It was.

Ian

00:16:49 – 00:16:50

Yeah. And it's great.

Aaron

00:16:50 – 00:16:51

It's like that's gonna

Ian

00:16:51 – 00:16:52

make you stand out.

Aaron

00:16:52 – 00:17:16

During the interview process, one of, the pieces of feedback I got from Ben was, who is, you know, was the CEO of Tuple. He said that, like, a bunch of people just DM ed him, like, 15 different links. And he really appreciated that I put it all together in a nice digestible format for him. And like I, it took you you're right. It took me 30 minutes, and I just Yeah.

Aaron

00:17:16 – 00:17:26

Put a very simple page up. But it shows I think it shows that, like, hey. I want the job. I thought about this. I thought about what might be easiest for you, and here it is.

Ian

00:17:26 – 00:17:55

So I mean, it's the core principle of selling anything. Like, the easier it is to buy, the faster and easier it gets bought. And so when you're selling yourself, you wanna make yourself easy to buy and putting all the information in one spot in a digestible format with appropriate explanation, following the rules people want, like, that just makes you easier to hire than Yep. The person who's just like, here's all my shit in the DM and, like, yeah, here's some Or or

Aaron

00:17:55 – 00:18:00

the just like, hire me. I would love to work there. It's like, okay. And?

Ian

00:18:00 – 00:18:24

Here's a link to my GitHub with 200 projects in it. Like, how do I know which is the one that you actually want me to like, really the, the, the 5 minutes I'm gonna give you, like, which is the one you want me to really dig into? Oh, as opposed to like, look through these 200 things you've forked over a 1000000 years and, like, let me figure out which one's actually important. Like, so, yeah, all those little things I think I think we push one of

Aaron

00:18:24 – 00:18:25

these buttons here.

Ian

00:18:25 – 00:18:32

Yeah. Yeah. We are. We can do a whole episode on that. I, last time I hired, like, last year, I was just like, I mean, I was just like throwing shit in the office.

Ian

00:18:32 – 00:18:54

It's just like, it's crazy. And like, we had like 100 of applicants, and we really only had, like, a couple of actual serious people that were even, like, worth interviewing, to be honest you. Like, I think I did end up doing, like, 4 interviews, and only a couple were even really good. And we ended up with somebody great, so that's that's great. But, it worked out.

Ian

00:18:54 – 00:19:13

But it's still like, man, you go through all this stuff, all these people wasting this little amount. Why even waste your time? Like, why waste your time with this little 5 minutes you're wasting by not following the instructions and doing a poor job. So, yeah, it's just like, why do I want somebody who's gonna do a poor job at presenting themselves to me for a job? That's Yeah.

Ian

00:19:14 – 00:19:14

Gonna pay.

Aaron

00:19:14 – 00:19:15

Not a good start.

Ian

00:19:15 – 00:19:16

A 100,000

Aaron

00:19:16 – 00:19:18

dollars more than that. Yeah.

Ian

00:19:18 – 00:19:20

So, yeah. So, anyway,

Aaron

00:19:22 – 00:19:22

alright.

Ian

00:19:22 – 00:19:25

So you so you went to 30 something in the news.

Aaron

00:19:25 – 00:19:25

Yeah.

Ian

00:19:25 – 00:19:36

Yeah. I I got the juice flowing. Were there any of the I obviously, you're not probably gonna go into specific people, but, like, were there some that stood out more than others? I mean, give us just a little flavor of that.

Aaron

00:19:36 – 00:19:38

We got to know a little more. Taste. Yeah.

Ian

00:19:38 – 00:19:38

Yeah.

Aaron

00:19:39 – 00:19:58

Yeah. There was definitely some that stood out more than others, and there were some, you know, there were some that were, like, this kinda seems interesting, but it's not really, like, it's not really my area of expertise and, like, not really my area that I wanna get super into, frankly.

Ian

00:19:58 – 00:19:58

Mhmm.

Aaron

00:19:59 – 00:20:20

And so there were several like that where it was like, hey. This person that I'm talking to is great, and the company has an awesome reputation, but it's just something that, like, I can't see myself getting really excited about. Yeah. And so there were a few of those. But, you know, most of them were most of them were basically around the same, like, hey.

Aaron

00:20:20 – 00:20:32

We kinda want you to come and do the same thing Do your thing. At our company. Yeah. Come do your thing. And we actually, Steve and I took a few joint calls together and, like, we'd love to have both of you come.

Aaron

00:20:32 – 00:20:34

Like, we wanna hire you both right now.

Ian

00:20:34 – 00:20:35

Wow.

Aaron

00:20:36 – 00:20:42

Which, yeah, is is awesome. And, like, I would love to keep the band together, which we are.

Ian

00:20:42 – 00:20:45

So So Go ahead. Foreshadowing. Foreshadowing.

Aaron

00:20:45 – 00:20:46

Yeah.

Ian

00:20:47 – 00:20:57

Before we get all the way to that, were all of these, like, job offers, full time job offers? Were there people who are like, hey. We just want a contract with you, or what was that?

Aaron

00:20:57 – 00:21:09

So there there were some that were like, hey. We we don't have a full time spot right now, but we would love for you to create content for us. I'm like, no. That sounds that sounds great. Some some said, hey.

Aaron

00:21:09 – 00:21:34

I don't have a job at all for you, but I want, like, I wanna talk. And so that was, you know, that was just nice of of people to to reach out. You know, many of them were, like, we want you full time on the dev ed team or dev rel team, doing doing the same kind of thing. You know, some people ask me, like, what is developer relations? And I was like, I don't know.

Aaron

00:21:35 – 00:21:47

I mean, it is nice because I could just be on totally honest and people, you know, in these interviews and people are like, what's developer relations? No idea. I'm a developer educator, and that's that's what I wanna do. I'm like, oh, wow. Good answer.

Aaron

00:21:47 – 00:21:50

I'm like, great. Thanks. Because I didn't know the answer to your the question you asked.

Ian

00:21:51 – 00:21:52

That's so funny.

Aaron

00:21:52 – 00:22:03

Yeah. So there was, you know, there was some stuff like that. Some people were like, some people did, like, a formal interview, and they're, like, can you tell me what this word means or, like, this abbreviation industry abbreviation means.

Ian

00:22:03 – 00:22:05

Interesting. Okay.

Aaron

00:22:05 – 00:22:13

Yeah. One of them was, like, new SQL, n e w SQL. Like, what it what is new SQL? And I said, I'll be honest. I have no idea what new SQL is.

Aaron

00:22:13 – 00:22:18

I know what no sequel is. Yeah. I don't know what my sequel is. I have no idea what new sequel is.

Ian

00:22:18 – 00:22:24

Man, we gotta invent something like that on this show. We gotta invent some words. Yeah. We need some word invention.

Aaron

00:22:25 – 00:22:26

I know. We need some shibboleths.

Ian

00:22:26 – 00:22:27

Did you ever find out what

Aaron

00:22:28 – 00:22:30

That's old testament. Do you know shibboleth, Ian?

Ian

00:22:31 – 00:22:35

No. I don't think I do. Oh, wow. I don't think I do. I'm not as studied as I should be.

Aaron

00:22:35 – 00:22:36

This is a great one. So

Ian

00:22:36 – 00:22:37

Okay. Give it to us.

Aaron

00:22:39 – 00:22:48

I'm gonna all all of the biblical scholars out there are gonna just cringe as I butcher my way through this. In the old testament, you know, because there are good guys, bad guys. Right? You

Ian

00:22:48 – 00:22:49

know? Right.

Aaron

00:22:49 – 00:22:51

Whoever you know, Israelites always the good guys.

Ian

00:22:52 – 00:22:52

Okay.

Aaron

00:22:52 – 00:23:18

God's chosen people. So there was this there was this point where they were, like, trying to weed out some spies or whatever from a foreign land, of course. And there's a specific word that these this people group couldn't say, like, couldn't pronounce correctly, and the word was shibboleth. And so that became, like, the pass code at at the city gates was you would have to say the shibboleth. And so now now it's become, like, if we I'm just gonna Google.

Aaron

00:23:18 – 00:23:20

I love googling definitions on the show. Shivaluff.

Ian

00:23:20 – 00:23:21

Give it to us. Yeah.

Aaron

00:23:21 – 00:23:22

Here we go.

Ian

00:23:22 – 00:23:23

We love the law. It's real power.

Aaron

00:23:23 – 00:23:44

Just freaking I got another one. I got I got the t totalar last time, and this time I got shibboleth. Here's shibboleth, a custom principle or belief distinguishing a particular class or group of people, especially a long standing one regarded as outmoded or no longer important. So you could say, like, we have a shibboleth, and that's like, oh, we have a secret a secret code, a

Ian

00:23:44 – 00:23:46

secret secret code language.

Aaron

00:23:46 – 00:23:53

And so we need we need more shibboleths on the show. So there you go. There's your word study for the day. There's a little bit of biblical history.

Ian

00:23:53 – 00:23:59

Away. I have to say I was, I was raised Jewish and but I never called them going through this.

Aaron

00:23:59 – 00:24:00

No. Remember shibboleth?

Ian

00:24:00 – 00:24:03

No. I don't think I got to that. I don't think we got to that. So now I know.

Aaron

00:24:03 – 00:24:11

Let's see if I can give people a reference here. No. Not not really quickly. Oh, shit.

Ian

00:24:11 – 00:24:12

Phone off on my old phone.

Aaron

00:24:12 – 00:24:15

Sign on single sign on login system for computer.

Ian

00:24:15 – 00:24:16

Of course.

Aaron

00:24:19 – 00:24:19

Oh, we're we're

Ian

00:24:19 – 00:24:25

everybody's out of domains. It's like, hey. We're gonna I know. I'm the old testament for domain names that are available.

Aaron

00:24:25 – 00:24:29

For, like, an off company shibboleth. That's amazing. Yeah.

Ian

00:24:29 – 00:24:34

We use the shibboleth. Dislike everything about that for a company name. I just think it's all Really?

Aaron

00:24:34 – 00:24:35

Just all good.

Ian

00:24:35 – 00:24:37

It's it's not good. It's Nobody's getting this.

Aaron

00:24:37 – 00:24:40

Get it. Nobody has any idea. Nobody can spell it.

Ian

00:24:40 – 00:24:49

Nobody can spell it. Nobody can say it. You're bringing this whole religious component in, which I don't Exactly. Can of worms. Like, there's a lot I don't like about that.

Ian

00:24:49 – 00:24:51

So don't actually do that. If you're a VC

Aaron

00:24:51 – 00:24:51

Don't do that.

Ian

00:24:52 – 00:24:54

Do that with the VC money. The VC money, you wanna Yeah.

Aaron

00:24:54 – 00:24:55

That's fine.

Ian

00:24:55 – 00:24:59

Take a flyer. That's fine. But with your own money, you you don't wanna do that.

Aaron

00:24:59 – 00:25:08

Oh, okay. You wanna get real metal? Here's the actual here's here's the passage it comes from in Judges 12. This is Yeah. This is old testament, so it's, like, it's wild.

Ian

00:25:08 – 00:25:10

Fire and brimstone stuff here.

Aaron

00:25:10 – 00:25:17

Oh, yeah. So it's the Gileadites and yada yada yada. The man of the Gilead the man of Gilead said to him,

Ian

00:25:17 – 00:25:19

I'm the Ephraimite.

Aaron

00:25:20 – 00:25:39

And they said, say the word Shibboleth, and he said Shibboleth, for he could not pronounce it right. They took him and slew him in the passages of Jordan. So oh, it gets worse. There and there fell at the time of the Ephraimites 42,000. So, yeah, you gotta say shibboleth right, or you're gonna get slewn at the gates of the Jordan.

Ian

00:25:39 – 00:25:42

Yeah. You gotta have the secret passcode.

Aaron

00:25:43 – 00:25:44

That's so cool.

Ian

00:25:44 – 00:25:51

Looking for it. Yo. People wanted us to do a, call in show Yeah. Which we might still do at some point. I think we should.

Ian

00:25:51 – 00:26:07

Interesting. I'm like in this whole biblical spin off show where we just go through, like, old and new testament passages. Maybe we get some the Quran in there. Like, we just go through with some Buddhism. Like, we just, like we start doing religious angles on things, and that's

Aaron

00:26:07 – 00:26:12

our other question. Provide the in house scholarship on on the Bible, but I I I don't have the evidence covered. So we need that

Ian

00:26:12 – 00:26:13

call in. We could bring

Aaron

00:26:13 – 00:26:14

it we need to have

Ian

00:26:14 – 00:26:18

the call in. Yeah. That we need to do that because that's how you the audience. Right? We'll have the call ins.

Ian

00:26:18 – 00:26:18

It's fine.

Aaron

00:26:18 – 00:26:20

Yeah. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Ian

00:26:20 – 00:26:21

I like it straight.

Aaron

00:26:21 – 00:26:23

Well, yeah, we'll add it to the add it to the notes for the call in

Ian

00:26:23 – 00:26:24

show. Yeah.

Aaron

00:26:25 – 00:26:32

So I told her I said to the interviewer, I don't know Yeah. What new sequel is, but have you heard of Shibboleth? Because I know what that word means.

Ian

00:26:32 – 00:26:33

Oh, did you actually say this?

Aaron

00:26:33 – 00:26:33

I know.

Ian

00:26:33 – 00:26:35

That would have been awesome if you did that.

Aaron

00:26:36 – 00:26:40

Oh, it would have been amazing. So the interviews, you know, most of them. Hold on.

Ian

00:26:40 – 00:26:44

Hold on. What is new sequel? Like, Informa? Did you go look it up after?

Aaron

00:26:44 – 00:26:46

I have no idea. No clue. No clue. Yeah. No.

Aaron

00:26:46 – 00:26:51

No idea. I think it's something that someone is trying to, like, trying to make happen.

Ian

00:26:51 – 00:26:52

Like, that's Right.

Aaron

00:26:52 – 00:26:54

I don't know. Yeah. I don't know if it's gonna happen.

Ian

00:26:54 – 00:26:55

Trying too hard.

Aaron

00:26:56 – 00:26:58

I think so. New sequel. I don't yeah.

Ian

00:26:59 – 00:27:00

I'm not buying it.

Aaron

00:27:00 – 00:27:06

So, you know, lots of them were just regular phone calls, like, with, you know, CEOs or VPs of DevRel or whatever.

Ian

00:27:06 – 00:27:07

Right.

Aaron

00:27:07 – 00:27:28

And so they weren't super formal. Yep. But, yeah, it was it was it was great. And I kinda left everyone, at that point, I left everyone by saying like, hey, I'm gonna take a whole bunch of calls and, there's a chance that I'd end up taking no jobs, but I will definitely, like, I'll definitely consider everything. And, you know, I did.

Aaron

00:27:28 – 00:27:43

I think there were a lot of great opportunities, but nothing that just, like, nothing that really moved me. You know? I think Yeah. Part of me thought I could go and do this same thing again. Like, I could go run it back, and probably it would work.

Aaron

00:27:43 – 00:28:03

But I think my overwhelming feeling was if if I ever want to, like, go on my own and give this thing, like, the real college try, now is now is the moment. Like, I don't wanna miss I don't wanna miss the window. I don't wanna ride the hype over the top. Like, I don't wanna lose the momentum. Right.

Aaron

00:28:03 – 00:28:23

And I think if I went and worked somewhere I think if I went and worked somewhere, like, 3 months in, I would be like, man, I could have gone for it. I could have made it. And it this is just this is just so perfect because I it's like I am the aggrieved party. Like, I did my job. I executed my duties faithfully.

Aaron

00:28:23 – 00:28:42

I think the record will show it was a huge success, and then I got let go. So it's not like, you know, it's not like I'm the bad guy, and I became like, I weaseled my way into being the face of planet scale and then left them high and dry, and now I'm gonna contract them for $1,000,000. Like, that would have been clever, actually. But I I got let go. And so it's like, great.

Aaron

00:28:42 – 00:28:45

No fault. No fault in my own. Now's the time.

Ian

00:28:46 – 00:28:57

If you took a job, you might actually end up in that spot. Like, you take the job Yes. You're unhappy, then you go start your own thing. And it's sort of like that. Well, now I'm taking this audience and I'm like going over here, like,

Aaron

00:28:57 – 00:29:14

and you could, I could like, it's sorta like a, Yeah. A black eye to be like, Hey, I'm going to go take a job and then realize I don't want to do this. But I've already, like, made a bunch of videos for some new company. And then 3 or 6 months in, I'm like, sorry. That like, Oh, that feels that feels bad to me.

Ian

00:29:15 – 00:29:43

I think you're totally right about momentum. I feel like I mean, just like from a straight sort of I don't like the word content. I'm actually very negative on the word content, but from a content perspective, you know, there is momentum. People are interested in your story right now and like going off into the bowels of some $1,000,000,000 companies, like an unsatisfying ending to that story to be honest with you. Like, I mean, it's a good ending for you and their family, so that would be fine.

Ian

00:29:43 – 00:29:45

Like, Aaron's taken care of. Great.

Aaron

00:29:45 – 00:29:46

But, like But it's bad content, Ian.

Ian

00:29:46 – 00:29:51

I don't need I don't need to follow on to that. It's like, yeah. Now you're going to do videos somewhere else. Whatever. Who cares?

Ian

00:29:51 – 00:30:03

That's fine. And so this is a much more intriguing story that you're gonna apparently, go out and, try your, put your hat into the market.

Aaron

00:30:04 – 00:30:08

That's right. Apparently. Yeah. I I feel like this is the most entertaining option.

Ian

00:30:08 – 00:30:11

Like, this is for the podcast. I mean, I'll tell you that.

Aaron

00:30:11 – 00:30:11

Best for the

Ian

00:30:11 – 00:30:13

podcast. You know,

Aaron

00:30:13 – 00:30:18

now that we have a sponsor, we could Yeah. We could live for many handfuls of days. Maybe

Ian

00:30:19 – 00:30:23

Jeffrey was generous Yeah. To be honest. Exactly. Jeffrey was generous. So

Aaron

00:30:24 – 00:30:40

I think this is, like, this is this is the most exciting outcome, the most entertaining outcome, and the one that I feel the best about is not taking not taking full time work. Yeah. And so that's where I landed.

Ian

00:30:40 – 00:30:56

Limited energy. You know, it's not you're not 25 and you're not, single or married with no kids. Like, nope. So you have to start being selective. I mean, even when we started the podcast, you were kind of on the, like, try everything and see what sticks.

Ian

00:30:57 – 00:31:23

Mhmm. But I do think there ultimately is a, like, you kind of have to narrow it down a little bit. And even though I'm sure you're still gonna be doing a lot of different things, like ultimately, like, you can really probably only have one very big thing. Like, sure, you can have a podcast, and you can make some personal videos, and you could do side stuff like that, but you're not gonna be able to, like, do a bunch of you're not gonna be able to go work at big corp and also do heavy on your own stuff. I don't think that's that realistic.

Ian

00:31:23 – 00:31:41

Like, you could do it a little bit of this and that, you know, but, like, maybe you could take a consulting gig here and there, but you're not gonna be able to grind consulting gigs every night after work and work No. And do a good job at all that and everything. Like, it's just too hard. So yeah. So I think this is a like like we talked about before, it's a good time for you to give it a shot.

Ian

00:31:41 – 00:31:49

You did your due diligence. It sounds like there was Yep. Nothing that bold you over, but, maybe some people you'll work with in the future and some way or another potentially.

Aaron

00:31:49 – 00:32:08

Hopefully, some people that I can go back to. Actually, I've already, you know, emailed everyone. Hopefully, these people will be like, yeah. Sounds great. Honestly, I I have already gotten maybe 4 or 5 emails back from these companies, and every single one of them has been, like, I'm really excited for you.

Aaron

00:32:08 – 00:32:09

That's awesome, and you should

Ian

00:32:09 – 00:32:10

do it. That's great.

Aaron

00:32:10 – 00:32:11

We would love to work together.

Ian

00:32:11 – 00:32:12

That's that's

Aaron

00:32:12 – 00:32:15

cool. Awesome. Best possible outcome. Right.

Ian

00:32:16 – 00:32:22

So, I don't actually know what you're doing. I know just the highest level of what you're doing, that you're going out

Aaron

00:32:22 – 00:32:23

and you're vibes.

Ian

00:32:23 – 00:32:25

Yeah. We're just vibes. Yeah. That's what we do. Vibes.

Ian

00:32:25 – 00:32:32

That's how we like to do it. We we like it to be fresh. Yep. So why don't you give it to us? What's the plan?

Aaron

00:32:32 – 00:32:44

What's the offering? What are we going to market with? Yes. So here's the deal. Steve and I, formerly known as Steve the editor, which is, you know, it's a bit.

Aaron

00:32:44 – 00:32:49

It's it's funny. It it it plays well. Now, producer Steve.

Ian

00:32:49 – 00:32:50

He's not Steve the editor.

Aaron

00:32:50 – 00:33:01

Yeah. He's not Steve the editor. That was always I was always pigeonholing him for the sake of humor. Producer Steve. Producer Steve and I are going out on our own together.

Aaron

00:33:01 – 00:33:04

Wow. We're a partner. A partner. Okay. Yeah.

Aaron

00:33:04 – 00:33:13

As a as a unit. Okay. So Steve came in town. He lives in Boise, Idaho Yep. With Nathan Berry.

Aaron

00:33:13 – 00:33:14

I mean, he doesn't live with Nathan Berry,

Ian

00:33:15 – 00:33:17

but I would be that would be awesome if he actually

Aaron

00:33:17 – 00:33:18

lived with Nathan.

Ian

00:33:18 – 00:33:18

Yeah.

Aaron

00:33:18 – 00:33:19

Yeah. That would be awesome.

Ian

00:33:19 – 00:33:20

You're dropping news breaking news.

Aaron

00:33:20 – 00:33:29

Yeah. He lives in Nathan's back house. So he lives in Boise. He came in town Sunday, Monday, Tuesday of this week. Mhmm.

Aaron

00:33:29 – 00:33:40

And Steve and I filmed a video. Steve is, like, I thought, you know, I thought, like, oh, I I love video. No. Steve's a video. Steve props so much gear.

Aaron

00:33:40 – 00:33:50

He Yeah. Oh, he's so deep. Yeah. So much gear, and, like, I'll show you some or I'll treat some, you know, behind the scenes photos of all the lights that he set up. Right.

Aaron

00:33:50 – 00:33:58

Dude would spend, like, an hour setting up lights, and then we would take a, you know, a 30 second take. And it it it worked. Like, it it Yeah. It's good because it looks amazing.

Ian

00:33:59 – 00:34:02

Right. Yeah. Though that extra work always pays off or usually pays off.

Aaron

00:34:02 – 00:34:06

So cool. Like, working with an actual professional,

Ian

00:34:07 – 00:34:12

it's very fun. Person like that. That's really cool. Yeah. Like, how the physical space set up and everything.

Aaron

00:34:12 – 00:34:22

Uh-huh. Yeah. He rented he rented an Airbnb, and we did a lot of the filming there. Like, he, you know, looked for one that looked cool and modern, and then we did a lot of the filming there. We did some filming here at the studio.

Ian

00:34:22 – 00:34:27

So it's gonna be like a splash video or that that type of thing. Okay.

Aaron

00:34:27 – 00:34:41

By the time you're listening to this, dear listener, the video will be out. Okay. So go to my Twitter to see it. Aaron defrances. The video is, you know, it's it's a hero's journey.

Aaron

00:34:41 – 00:34:52

Right? So that starts with, I got laid off, and then it goes through me it goes through me being sad, and so, like, I did a bunch of different shots of, 1, I'm at

Ian

00:34:52 – 00:34:52

the pool.

Aaron

00:34:52 – 00:35:15

I'm just gonna tell you because everybody hopefully will have seen it at this point, and I think it's hysterical. One, I'm at the pool here at the, here at the apartment. I'm at the pool reading accounting accounting for dummies, so I'm reading a big book. I'm just, you know, sitting there enjoying that. One shot, I'm in the gym, but I'm sipping an iced coffee and looking at my phone while I'm, like, very slowly on the elliptical.

Aaron

00:35:16 – 00:35:25

One shot, I'm, like, surrounded by Diet Cokes, watching TV, and then the camera goes behind me, and you can see that I'm watching Fast and Furious. So it's just, like Oh, there

Ian

00:35:25 – 00:35:25

we go.

Aaron

00:35:25 – 00:35:41

Perfect. Hysterical. And there's there's maybe 1 or 2 others that I don't remember. So that's, like, the first half, and then it turns with, like, me realizing I should go out on my own. And then it's like the, you know, monologue, and then at the end The inspirational.

Aaron

00:35:41 – 00:35:49

Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. And then at the end, it's like the description of what we're offering. So to that end, what are we offering?

Aaron

00:35:49 – 00:36:23

So here's here's the thing. I think there are going to be, I think there are going to be 2 2, 2 legs to our offering. 1 is going to be in house first party courses that we produce and sell. Right. So that's gonna be that's gonna be our own product, and I think, you know, that can take the shape of a Laravel Eloquent course, which I will begin working on immediately, and lots of ideas for database courses.

Aaron

00:36:23 – 00:36:34

Yep. And so we'll have kind of this this in house brand that's like database education. Best best database education in the world for developers, not DBAs. That's kinda Now

Ian

00:36:34 – 00:36:41

let's talk about ties into that too so strongly because it's just like the whole the whole database stack, so to

Aaron

00:36:41 – 00:36:41

speak, from, like,

Ian

00:36:41 – 00:36:47

using it in your code down through understanding what the hell you're doing inside the database. Yep.

Aaron

00:36:47 – 00:37:16

So I think I think that's, like, a real opportunity for us is I do an Eloquent course, and then I do a MySQL course and a Postgres course and SQLite course. Yep. And the, the developer can come and say, like, yeah. I'm a Laravel developer, and our driver or our database is Postgres, and so I'm gonna buy these two courses together and learn everything I need to know. So staying off of the monthly subscriptions for that, just like you buy a course

Ian

00:37:16 – 00:37:17

that it's your time,

Aaron

00:37:17 – 00:37:31

you're not expecting updates from us. Mhmm. Because it's, you know, it's databases and I'm like, I can't be on the hook to produce a new novel piece of like valuable content for you to pay for every week.

Ian

00:37:31 – 00:37:34

Yeah. Yeah. So I think that makes sense.

Aaron

00:37:35 – 00:37:41

That's the first party in house stuff that we're gonna try to build up as as we have time to, like, cushion

Ian

00:37:41 – 00:37:41

the rest

Aaron

00:37:41 – 00:37:41

of it.

Ian

00:37:42 – 00:38:02

Side note there too. The databases themselves do give you an eloquent, gives you these opportunities to like relaunch them all the time too. Because it's like every year to 2 years, right. It's gonna be like big database update in my SQL or post grads or big Laravel update that adds a bunch of stuff. And so like that, it'll give you that, like, you could turn it into recurring revenue of a sort.

Ian

00:38:02 – 00:38:20

Right? Totally. Like, hey, we're relaunching the Eloquent course again because it's been 18 months and there's all kinds of new hotness. And Yep. You know, even if you give the update for free to existing customers or however you wanna work that, but, like, you're just getting the opportunity to relaunch it all the time, especially since you'd be working on on it full time and not just like you did it, but now you got busy.

Ian

00:38:20 – 00:38:31

And so it just kinda get dusty. It's like, no, you can like set aside a month and refresh it all and make it all magically new and add the new stuff, and then we launch that whole ABBY account.

Aaron

00:38:31 – 00:38:33

Have a big launch event. Yeah.

Ian

00:38:33 – 00:38:34

Yep. Yeah. You know,

Aaron

00:38:34 – 00:38:49

every time Laravel releases a new version, I can have another big launch sale or whatever. Yeah. I think Yep. I think there's a lot of room there. And I think, honestly, even partnering with partnering with guest instructors for, like, Ruby's active record.

Aaron

00:38:49 – 00:39:01

Yeah. Or Rails' active record, or even Prisma. The the problem with Prisma and Drizzle, the JS ORMs is they just changed so much that I feel a little I feel a little hesitant about that.

Ian

00:39:01 – 00:39:12

Yeah. Well, that's a lot. You have a lot to do. So if you kind of cover if you cover Laravel, maybe with a guest for rails and then you get on database stuff, I mean, that's That's a net risk there.

Aaron

00:39:12 – 00:39:18

Hopefully enough enough. Yeah. Money and things to worry about. Yeah. So that is that's the one leg.

Aaron

00:39:18 – 00:39:44

That's the products for dollars, classic business. The other the other leg is, services for dollars. And so, the the initial offering here is actually, it's also twofold. But the initial offering on the consulting side is, one, we will come alongside your in house existing dev ed, DevRel teams where you're already investing, are not just simply not working. Yep.

Aaron

00:39:45 – 00:40:19

So we'll do, you know, we'll do an audit, and then there will be, you know, some sort of ongoing retainer of, like, let's make your videos work better. Yeah. And that starts from coming up with ideas to framing the ideas to recording to editing to packaging to releasing all the way through. And so instead of instead of, like, me being the on camera person, you have an on camera person, and we work behind the scenes with that person, to make them more effective. Yep.

Aaron

00:40:19 – 00:40:30

And then the enterprise offering is you want us to make a whole entire course for you with me being on camera? Great. Contact sales. Let's let's do that.

Ian

00:40:30 – 00:40:31

Right. And

Aaron

00:40:31 – 00:40:34

that starts at not insignificant amounts of money. Right.

Ian

00:40:34 – 00:40:52

Right. Yeah. Because if it's gonna, if we assume that these courses will do at least okay, then this consulting stuff has, is like fighting for your time there to some degree. So like, I do think, I really like these consulting offerings. I feel like these are the like high level we talked about a couple weeks ago.

Ian

00:40:52 – 00:41:08

It's like, don't get down in the trenches. And if you're going, if they're going to put you down in the trenches, that's actually maybe even more money. Right. Because it's like, not just you coming up with the big idea. It's like you executing the idea, which now is all that extra work and yeah, And everything.

Ian

00:41:09 – 00:41:35

So, I think that makes a ton of sense. And I think you could also position that as even if it's like it's like the big series to kick off your content marketing or something like that. Right? It's like, even if it's like, yeah, we're gonna do 10 videos or whatever the right number is, and you're gonna stretch that out over 3 months or 6 months, and it's gonna, like, lead to x y z and, like, get get you started and don't start from 0 or things like that. Let the experts kinda get it going and yeah.

Ian

00:41:35 – 00:41:43

So I like that. You could even have your own on air talent at some point too. I could imagine, you know, if that, if that gets, you know

Aaron

00:41:43 – 00:41:43

Mhmm.

Ian

00:41:43 – 00:41:51

Popular and there's enough companies looking to do it, it's like, it doesn't have to all be you even, and you could still sell it if you can find the the talent. So

Aaron

00:41:51 – 00:42:09

Yep. I think that's exactly right. And I'll I'll be curious, like, this is what I just pitched you is hopefully the worst version of this that it will ever be. And so, you know, we've already had several people, like, reply and say, hey. We'd love to be your first client.

Aaron

00:42:09 – 00:42:23

Let's talk. And so those conversations are going to tell us what does the market actually want. Yep. And it it could end up being that the market actually just really wants high quality editing. And it's like, alright.

Aaron

00:42:23 – 00:42:39

Well, that's way different than what we thought. And if if it's, like, if it is sustainable, maybe we maybe we do that. Or may they may want something else that's not even on our radar, but they come to us and, like, this is actually our our burning problem. Great.

Ian

00:42:39 – 00:42:40

We can

Aaron

00:42:40 – 00:43:00

do that. So I think this is a like, I think this is a, well informed starting position based on all the conversations we've had with people. It's like, this is what they need, and they're kind of Yeah. They're kind of, like, beating down the door, frankly, to to get us to help them. And it it feels it feels so different.

Aaron

00:43:00 – 00:43:13

It feels Yeah. So different from when, like, I spent, you know, a 1000 years trying to do this SaaS thing, and, like, everybody was like, I don't get it, man. And now Right. Now these CEOs are literally like, hey. Congrats.

Aaron

00:43:14 – 00:43:18

I love that you're going on your own. Can we talk next week about being your first client?

Ian

00:43:18 – 00:43:19

Can I throw some money at you? Yeah.

Aaron

00:43:20 – 00:43:24

Oh, yeah. This is what it feels like. So Yep. I think it's gonna be good.

Ian

00:43:25 – 00:43:39

I like it. And I definitely, my advice from what you said, I like everything. The only thing I would say be cautious about is I actually don't love that idea of if they push you down into, like, you're just editing, I think that's a bad route. Like Yeah.

Aaron

00:43:39 – 00:43:41

It feels that's, like, low value. Right?

Ian

00:43:41 – 00:43:47

Into, like, yeah, like, you're not the value add there is ultimately low, even though Steve is obviously a high end editor

Aaron

00:43:47 – 00:43:48

compared to who you're

Ian

00:43:48 – 00:43:49

going to get on the

Aaron

00:43:49 – 00:43:51

other book. The thing. We would have to hire other editors.

Ian

00:43:51 – 00:44:05

So you get into that. Like, so I do feel like, like there's so much more value farther up the chain and you have all these leads already. It's like, don't go down the chain unless you really need to, or unless it's like the add on to like, yes, like you're paying us big number X. Yes.

Aaron

00:44:05 – 00:44:05

Part of

Ian

00:44:05 – 00:44:15

that is of course, for smaller number Y we can edit this all for you and whatever, and that's that's all great. Like, that makes it a whole one service. Right? And that's that's awesome. But Yeah.

Ian

00:44:15 – 00:44:16

Yeah. I think we're

Aaron

00:44:16 – 00:44:18

gonna stay away from, like, I've I've actually seen

Ian

00:44:19 – 00:44:20

the all type stuff.

Aaron

00:44:20 – 00:44:27

Yeah. I've seen, you know, design joy, the guy that everybody hates, the guy that's doing a $1,000,000. Yeah. So Like, everybody thinks he's

Ian

00:44:27 – 00:44:30

lying, but it's not clear. Like, if he is lying or not. I don't know if he Who

Aaron

00:44:30 – 00:44:49

knows if he's lying? Turns out he's just kinda mean regardless. So Right. Yeah. So I I've seen some, like, video editing, done in a DesignJoy way, where it's, like, you know, you pay $5,000 a month and you get unlimited edits, but only one at a time and with 48 hour turnaround.

Aaron

00:44:49 – 00:45:17

And that just feels like that feels to me like a race to the bottom Right. And not something I super wanna be a part of. And, also, like like you said, the lowest possible value offering coming in after the fact, after the content has been decided, after the positioning has been decided, after a Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Aaron

00:45:17 – 00:45:18

I'll I'll try to stay

Ian

00:45:18 – 00:45:28

with that. Point. It's hard to fix it. If it's ill conceived to begin with, the editing's not going to fix that. So, yeah, I think that sounds awesome.

Ian

00:45:28 – 00:46:03

I mean, it's it's a lot even as it is because I could imagine you guys just going just on the just on the courses and right and going hard on just that for a year and Yeah. Without the consulting end. But I do all I totally see the value in the consulting end. And I think that's also great, especially if like, you know, these first couple, you do a really great job and have like that show piece for like other people to then build on, that you can do this, you know, just prove that you can execute this outside of kind of the one company, right. Is I think a big thing and will be important.

Ian

00:46:04 – 00:46:14

But, yeah, it's, I mean, yeah. Thank you. Nailed it. I mean, this all makes so much sense. You just, we didn't talk about screencasting, but you're screencasting.com, that obviously can be a big bump of ASH layer.

Aaron

00:46:15 – 00:46:37

Yeah. That's like the, I think that's like the fully down market version of our consulting offering. So you come you come to the consulting site, and it's like it starts at some obscene number, and you're like, oh, shoot. Well, I'm an individual. Well, if you're an individual, we'll funnel you off to screencasting where you can do a self paced course on how to make good video.

Aaron

00:46:37 – 00:46:54

So I think it all, like, all of all of the vectors are coming together, and I think it'll, like, it'll make a nice, neat package of we can serve you from individual level all the way up to public company level Yep. Just based on, you know, what you need.

Ian

00:46:54 – 00:47:14

Yeah. It's gonna be really fascinating to watch, like, which parts take off, which parts you have trouble with, like, which parts, or is it all just going gangbusters? That's its own problem, as well. So, so so it's gonna be you and Steve. It sounds like he has a official formalized company partnership.

Ian

00:47:16 – 00:47:21

Anybody else to start your thinking or do you have anybody else in mind? You're gonna start just you 2.

Aaron

00:47:21 – 00:47:23

Just gonna start with us 2.

Ian

00:47:23 – 00:47:24

That makes sense.

Aaron

00:47:24 – 00:47:50

And yeah, it's gonna be it's gonna be, like, the division of, division of responsibilities, I think, is gonna be pretty nice because Steve Steve has a lot of experience in the, like, alright. Let's negotiate a a contract for video stuff. Like, he's been he could do that in his sleep. And, you know, I'll talk to Steve, and I'm like, hey. Maybe we should, you know, start this offering at x $1,000, and he's like, no.

Aaron

00:47:50 – 00:47:52

We should double it. I'm like, great. That's why I

Ian

00:47:52 – 00:47:53

like Steve.

Aaron

00:47:53 – 00:47:55

I like Steve already. Your contract, guys,

Ian

00:47:55 – 00:47:59

Steve. Yeah. And You're the marketing. He's sales. Exactly.

Ian

00:47:59 – 00:48:01

Like that exact Like that makes sense.

Aaron

00:48:01 – 00:48:08

Exactly. And, it's nice because he's, like, he's working on the website right now. He's a developer too, and so he's Oh, okay.

Ian

00:48:08 – 00:48:09

You know, setting up he's

Aaron

00:48:09 – 00:48:35

setting up the website. I think it could end up being that, Steve handles some of these strategy calls by himself while I work on courses behind the scenes. And so there could be a nice there could be a nice division of responsibility there. Yep. So, yeah, that's why that's why I'm, like, really excited to do it with Steve instead of on my own because Yeah.

Aaron

00:48:36 – 00:48:58

He's, like, he's extremely talented in many different areas. And, like, should we, in a few years, stumble across some SaaS idea that serves our existing business? Yeah, he could, you know, he could do that too. So it's like there are infinitely many options, and we just need to figure out what does what does the market want and how do we fulfill it.

Ian

00:48:58 – 00:49:00

And is he gonna be full time?

Aaron

00:49:01 – 00:49:01

Mhmm.

Ian

00:49:01 – 00:49:02

Yep. Okay.

Aaron

00:49:02 – 00:49:04

We're both doing the thing. We're I

Ian

00:49:04 – 00:49:04

love it.

Aaron

00:49:04 – 00:49:05

We're doing it for real.

Ian

00:49:06 – 00:49:13

Yeah. I love having a partner. I know part people get down on partners. I just think it's it's really beneficial if you can find the right partner.

Aaron

00:49:14 – 00:49:14

Yeah.

Ian

00:49:15 – 00:49:28

Because just like that, the vision of labor, you just get so much more done or you're having a down period. They're up. They're they're down. You're up. Or you're both firing on all cylinders and twice as much as getting done or 4 times as much as getting done sometimes.

Ian

00:49:28 – 00:49:47

So it's very, very nice, when you can find the right person. And since you guys have worked together, it's even nicer because you at least know you get along and you have a reasonable working relationship, at least, obviously, this will be different and strain it in different ways, I'm sure. But ultimately, you at least have that a little bit of, prior experience there in history.

Aaron

00:49:47 – 00:49:57

So Yeah. And this this weekend, this past weekend when he came in town was the first time we'd, you know, ever met in person. We spent hours on on Zoom calls, but we never met in person.

Ian

00:49:57 – 00:49:57

The area.

Aaron

00:49:57 – 00:50:01

It's awesome. It's great. He's way taller than I expected.

Ian

00:50:01 – 00:50:03

He's 65. Interesting. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

Ian

00:50:03 – 00:50:04

I thought

Aaron

00:50:04 – 00:50:04

I might

Ian

00:50:04 – 00:50:05

have guessed that. Yes.

Aaron

00:50:06 – 00:50:18

I know. He told me that I'm taller than he expected, and I was like, man, do I have short guy energy? Like, that's that's too bad. I don't wanna be I don't wanna be a little guy on the Internet, but, yeah, he's he's fully 65. It's crazy.

Ian

00:50:18 – 00:50:20

You're you're, like, sick my height. Right? Are you, like,

Aaron

00:50:20 – 00:50:23

621? I'm 61 and a half, depending on who

Ian

00:50:24 – 00:50:24

I was to be.

Aaron

00:50:24 – 00:50:25

Oh, you thought I was taller?

Ian

00:50:25 – 00:50:27

Big guy energy. Yeah. I thought you were taller.

Aaron

00:50:27 – 00:50:28

Oh, man.

Ian

00:50:28 – 00:50:32

Yeah. And I've met you in person. I thought you were taller. You came off taller in person.

Aaron

00:50:32 – 00:50:34

Alright. That's great. How tall are you?

Ian

00:50:34 – 00:50:35

64.

Aaron

00:50:36 – 00:50:40

64. Wow. Yeah. Maybe I should wear lifts. Should I wear lifts?

Ian

00:50:40 – 00:50:45

Go you should get 66. Yeah. Why not? Just like big big seventies disco.

Aaron

00:50:45 – 00:50:46

Catch on to that.

Ian

00:50:46 – 00:50:47

Maybe 6 maybe 62

Aaron

00:50:47 – 00:50:50

and a half. I could I could do 62 and a half with some boots

Ian

00:50:50 – 00:50:50

that have

Aaron

00:50:50 – 00:50:51

a nice heel on it.

Ian

00:50:51 – 00:50:54

Cowboy boots. Yeah. You got Exactly. Dallas. You could do cowboy boots.

Aaron

00:50:54 – 00:50:57

I don't have cowboy boots. You don't know me at all. I don't have cowboy boots.

Ian

00:50:57 – 00:50:57

What are you

Aaron

00:50:57 – 00:50:58

talking about?

Ian

00:50:58 – 00:50:59

I'm about a cowboy hat. What?

Aaron

00:50:59 – 00:51:01

I don't have a cowboy hat. What am I going to do to the cowboy?

Ian

00:51:01 – 00:51:03

How is the cost of living in Dallas?

Aaron

00:51:04 – 00:51:08

Do you know what Dallas is? Dallas is a major. Texas. Metroplex. Yeah.

Aaron

00:51:08 – 00:51:12

It's not Fort Worth. A cowboy hat. I don't have a cowboy hat.

Ian

00:51:12 – 00:51:14

This is ridiculous. I don't like anything about it.

Aaron

00:51:14 – 00:51:15

This is not ridiculous.

Ian

00:51:15 – 00:51:17

Conversation has taken a terrible turn.

Aaron

00:51:18 – 00:51:30

Steve actually Cowboy hat. Steve came over for dinner, and he when he came over, he met Jennifer. And he hit that point. He was like, I really thought y'all were gonna have, like, accents. I thought y'all were gonna have real full on accents.

Ian

00:51:30 – 00:51:30

Right.

Aaron

00:51:31 – 00:51:32

Nah. Not really.

Ian

00:51:32 – 00:51:34

You have a little, but you don't have, like, a heavy accent yet.

Aaron

00:51:34 – 00:51:34

It's not

Ian

00:51:35 – 00:51:35

I don't

Aaron

00:51:35 – 00:51:44

have a I don't have a East Texas accent. That's where it gets real bad. Okay. That's the I could go honestly, I could I could go for a little more Matthew McConaughey accent. Like, that's cool.

Ian

00:51:44 – 00:51:44

I can

Aaron

00:51:44 – 00:51:45

dig that leap.

Ian

00:51:45 – 00:51:46

Into that a little bit.

Aaron

00:51:46 – 00:51:51

Yeah. I know. I need I need, like, a dialect coach or something. Right. So I'll look into that later.

Aaron

00:51:51 – 00:51:53

That's a good use of money right

Ian

00:51:53 – 00:51:58

now, getting a dialect coach while I'm unemployed. Hey. You're on a talent. You need these things.

Aaron

00:51:58 – 00:52:02

Here's here's the plan. We're launching we're launching the video today.

Ian

00:52:02 – 00:52:03

Okay.

Aaron

00:52:03 – 00:52:25

And so right after we get off this call, the video is going to be launched, and the hook is like the hook is I got laid off, and here's what I'm doing next. And so Yep. I'm gonna put it on Twitter. I'm gonna put it on a new YouTube channel, and the call to action yeah. The call to action is going to be, like, get in touch.

Aaron

00:52:25 – 00:52:33

Just send us an email. We have a website. The name of the studio so the name of, like, everything that we're doing is called Dry Hard Studios.

Ian

00:52:33 – 00:52:35

Okay. I like that. Yeah. Yeah.

Aaron

00:52:36 – 00:52:37

So Do you

Ian

00:52:37 – 00:52:37

like that?

Aaron

00:52:37 – 00:52:55

Yep. So, tryhardstudios.com, and, the plan is to just launch this video and then see what happens. I mean, we already have, truly, we already have a call set up, to do consulting with the company that

Ian

00:52:55 – 00:52:55

Right.

Aaron

00:52:56 – 00:53:05

Wanted to hire both of us. But hopefully, we get more of those calls set up. Yeah. Hopefully, we get more of those calls set up and just kinda, like, figure it out.

Ian

00:53:05 – 00:53:05

It's It's

Aaron

00:53:05 – 00:53:06

all I got.

Ian

00:53:06 – 00:53:27

You're gonna have to come up with, like, processes for that too. You know? I could see there being a lot of work around, like, formalizing these engagements and what are the actual steps you want to go through when doing these things and all that stuff. And that'll be like material you have to create and things over time. So it sounds like you're gonna start with the consulting end as, like, the first push.

Aaron

00:53:27 – 00:53:49

Yeah. So make sense. I think, like, the first several weeks, I I will primarily be researching and producing this eloquent course. Okay. While, hopefully, Steve is Steve is, like, fielding calls and figuring out what people want and need, and how we how we offer that.

Ian

00:53:49 – 00:53:49

Okay.

Aaron

00:53:49 – 00:54:03

So the hope is the hope is that we can get this course done and launched relatively quickly and get, like, our big influx of company cash. Like, we both, you know, individually have runways,

Ian

00:54:03 – 00:54:04

but it would

Aaron

00:54:04 – 00:54:11

be nice to have, like exactly. It'd be nice to do a fundraise from customers buying a course, basically.

Ian

00:54:11 – 00:54:19

I like that. I like that. Yeah. What, what about, I don't know. I am a little surprised about a new YouTube channel rather than like utilizing your YouTube channel.

Ian

00:54:19 – 00:54:24

What's your thinking there? So, I mean, I guess, I mean, I get the general idea, but at the same time,

Aaron

00:54:24 – 00:54:24

do you

Ian

00:54:24 – 00:54:25

have a big YouTube channel?

Aaron

00:54:25 – 00:54:37

I do. Yeah. Which we will continue to use. So the YouTube channel that I have, will continue to host developer content. So I will continue to make videos.

Aaron

00:54:37 – 00:55:06

I'll just now do it with Steve, with Steve's support. And so the things that are you know, that is being rolled in to this company. And then the new YouTube channel is basically it's more of, like, a lifestyle behind the scenes, make a video when we can or want to, like, talking about everything else. So what I don't wanna do because I would get penalized for it is mix, like, mix the messages on my personal channel.

Ian

00:55:06 – 00:55:07

Okay.

Aaron

00:55:07 – 00:55:10

So personal will remain fully development, and the we try hard

Ian

00:55:10 – 00:55:13

channel insights here. Yeah. The algo. There's all about the algo.

Aaron

00:55:13 – 00:55:35

That's exactly right. So the new we try hard channel is gonna be much more like a creator channel where we talk about building a business and making videos and stuff like that. And that's probably, like, you know, 4th or 5th or 6th on the list of things that's important. But it's a good it's a good outlet to have,

Ian

00:55:35 – 00:55:36

you know, that kind

Aaron

00:55:36 – 00:55:37

of content.

Ian

00:55:37 – 00:55:53

Viewing your personal channel, I would assume as like one of the primary marketing channels. But it's just, then you'll have this other channel for what marketing, but also other stuff. It might not be as big as your personal channel for some time, presumably. But, okay.

Aaron

00:55:53 – 00:55:53

Yep.

Ian

00:55:54 – 00:56:01

What do you think give me your top couple fears or challenges or however you wanna approach that question.

Aaron

00:56:02 – 00:56:04

Claustrophobia has got to be number 1.

Ian

00:56:04 – 00:56:05

Oh, claustrophobia.

Aaron

00:56:06 – 00:56:10

Spaces. Yeah. You're talking specifically about the upcoming business change

Ian

00:56:10 – 00:56:12

or just in general? Business, but if you wanna

Aaron

00:56:12 – 00:56:33

give us a general fair that makes that makes way more sense. Okay. So past claustrophobia, I think I I don't think we're gonna have trouble generating an initial interest. Mhmm. And so that's, like, a huge a huge leg up, honestly, that we can Right.

Aaron

00:56:33 – 00:56:46

Have people to talk to. I think one of one of my fears is figuring or not being able to figure out how to transmute the value to these companies.

Ian

00:56:47 – 00:56:47

Yeah.

Aaron

00:56:47 – 00:57:05

So, like, the proof is gonna be in the pudding. If we can come in and make your on air talent 10 times more effective, I'm gonna feel great about that. And I really think we can do it. But there is a fear that we're gonna not be able to, like, figure out what the offering is. Yeah.

Aaron

00:57:05 – 00:57:33

And then I think the second one is maybe not in any order. Another one is not getting any money whatsoever, and I think that's like a a small a small likelihood. I mean, between we could we could, honestly, we could probably go full on courses and and live. Right. And so but there is a small part of me that's like, you're really out over your skis, then you better not you better not fall.

Aaron

00:57:34 – 00:57:36

So that's definitely one.

Ian

00:57:37 – 00:57:49

For if, like, the consulting gigs don't ultimately, you can't charge as much as you might hope. Then that might be a little bit of a setback in how valuable that end of the business might end up being and things

Aaron

00:57:49 – 00:57:56

like that. Totally. Yeah. Yeah. So I think those are probably my big ones.

Aaron

00:58:00 – 00:58:02

Yeah. What else should I be afraid of?

Ian

00:58:02 – 00:58:09

How's I don't think those are those are, you know, I think I think solid beers. Okay. Good beers. Straight beers. And I don't know if Steve is Steve married?

Ian

00:58:09 – 00:58:10

How's his wife if he has one?

Aaron

00:58:10 – 00:58:12

No. Steve is not married.

Ian

00:58:12 – 00:58:13

Okay.

Aaron

00:58:13 – 00:58:19

So Jennifer is incredibly trusting and supportive.

Ian

00:58:19 – 00:58:20

Nice.

Aaron

00:58:20 – 00:58:57

You know, she has she the whole time has supported me in thinking about this, and we talked about it a lot and is now supporting me in the actual final, like, decision that we're gonna do this. You know, she is just basically trusting me to provide. And she's, of course, you know, done some slight due diligence with me on our finances and how long we can live, but, really, the ball is in my court to provide. So she's excited for me. I mean, she knows I think she knows what everyone else knows that I've, like, wanted to do this and, like, wanted to try this.

Aaron

00:58:57 – 00:59:08

And so she's excited. She's excited for me, and I think she's excited that I'm excited, yeah, which is a nice a nice thing to have in a spouse. Yeah.

Ian

00:59:08 – 00:59:12

It's really important to have the Yeah. Supporting spouse.

Aaron

00:59:12 – 00:59:18

Nice nice to, like, actually have somebody on your team. That's kind of a big deal, turns out. So

Ian

00:59:18 – 00:59:19

I'm glad I'm

Aaron

00:59:19 – 00:59:20

glad to have that.

Ian

00:59:20 – 00:59:35

Was huge for, UserScape when we started. Jamie was totally on board with it and she was, we'd always jokingly referred to her as the sugar mama because she was, working and paying the bills. While we sold our car and like we'd

Aaron

00:59:35 – 00:59:35

put

Ian

00:59:35 – 00:59:50

rather extreme measures. We didn't, we didn't have as much in the bank. And so it's like really out there And, yeah, couldn't have definitely done it without her support and, belief in all that. So it's so so important to have that. Yeah.

Ian

00:59:51 – 00:59:56

I don't know. Anything else to cover, or should we leave it there? We're at an hour, an hour even.

Aaron

00:59:56 – 01:00:08

Let's see. I think I think that's about it. Let me see. I don't think there's yeah. I don't think there's anything else.

Ian

01:00:10 – 01:00:12

So video's out today.

Aaron

01:00:12 – 01:00:13

Video's out

Ian

01:00:13 – 01:00:24

in a few minutes. Starting soon. Yeah. Yeah. And I guess we'll we'll get the updates, but I I imagine there'll be stuff you'll be posting stuff publicly fairly often as we go here too.

Ian

01:00:24 – 01:00:25

So that'll be exciting to watch.

Aaron

01:00:26 – 01:00:31

Yep. And we'll, we'll cover it all here on the pod. So if you have any questions, write down

Ian

01:00:31 – 01:00:31

and

Aaron

01:00:31 – 01:00:58

let us let us know. And I it's gonna be I think the last thing I'm super excited about is just, like, the freedom to just not do whatever I want, but, like, be fully into it. Yeah. Like, there's always this tension, and I think it's a healthy tension when you have a full time job, to not, like, to not basically post about your own stuff during the day. Right?

Aaron

01:00:58 – 01:01:01

Right. Because you wanna you don't wanna, like

Ian

01:01:01 – 01:01:01

A bad

Aaron

01:01:01 – 01:01:02

You don't wanna

Ian

01:01:02 – 01:01:03

A little bit. You know? Yeah.

Aaron

01:01:03 – 01:01:14

You know? Yeah. On a Tuesday, and you're, like, launching a new course that is not a part of your job. It's like, ah, this feels a little this feels a little weird. And so now I'm excited to be like, hey.

Aaron

01:01:14 – 01:01:27

Look. It's the middle of middle of the workday, and look what I'm working on. And it's it's not, like, in a conflict of interest. So I'm super excited for that. So the posting the posting will, continue until morale improves.

Aaron

01:01:27 – 01:01:29

So y'all brace yourselves. The hype

Ian

01:01:29 – 01:01:30

I do all the

Aaron

01:01:30 – 01:01:32

The hype is not over, by the way. The hype is not over.

Ian

01:01:32 – 01:01:32

That's good.

Aaron

01:01:32 – 01:01:33

We love

Ian

01:01:33 – 01:01:34

We've we've all the way through.

Aaron

01:01:35 – 01:01:36

Begun to hype.

Ian

01:01:36 – 01:01:55

Great. This is where I I I've never been good at this. Partially, I think, because of the market I'm in doesn't really lend itself to it, but great hype is very interesting and intriguing to watch. Like people love great hype. So like the ability to hype something, people love that.

Ian

01:01:55 – 01:02:05

Like if it's done, I think, you know, people have different takes on it. Some people are very sort of like the base camp. You're all fucking idiots. This is the right way you should be doing this stuff. Right?

Ian

01:02:05 – 01:02:07

Like that's their take on the world.

Aaron

01:02:07 – 01:02:08

Manifesto. Yeah.

Ian

01:02:08 – 01:02:33

Yeah. Like your take on the world is like the very positive, like, here's the change I'm trying to bring about and, like, what I'm trying to do and follow along with me. And, like, we can all rise these boats together, like, all that, know, when people obviously like that too. So I think that's all really cool. Definitely looking forward to the hype, videos and tweets and everything as it goes, watching all the new channels, sprout up the new Twitter channel and all

Aaron

01:02:33 – 01:02:38

those things with fun. There's gonna be so much content. Y'all are gonna gonna hate it. It's gonna be

Ian

01:02:38 – 01:03:04

awesome. One of the things working for yourself too, that you really have to take advantage of, this is like hard to do at the beginning, but I think you should really try to make time is like, so just like, you could just take a day off. Like you can take a day off or you could take the day off and work at night a little bit or whatever. Like and because even now I feel like, man, I didn't I wish I'd taken more days off. And even and and when I look back, I mean, listen, we went to Europe for 3 months and like, we did all kinds of stuff.

Ian

01:03:04 – 01:03:36

And so I've done a lot and I feel good about it, but like, but like give yourself that permission to be like, Hey, I'm gonna go hang out at the pool for the morning with the kids or whatever. And like, especially with the, the business you guys are designing for the most part, you're not gonna have like that much like yeah. Emergency or I have to be somewhere at 10 am. Like I'm sure you'll have some calls and things where yes, you have a meeting with a client and yes, for that hour, you're gonna be busy or a couple hours, whatever, but that's still not gonna be your whole week. It's gonna be, you know, once or twice a week, you have a call like that maybe or whatever.

Ian

01:03:37 – 01:04:11

So, you know, that is one of the upsides of working for yourself is you can do some different things or take the kids somewhere when everybody else is not there. I'm not, I'm not, this is literally like the biggest benefit is like, we're going to go to Disney, you know, in February when nobody's there in the middle of the week or whatever, as opposed to, like, we're there in summer, it's 200 degrees. Everybody in the world's here and we're packed in here, like sardines, like, so you can take advantage of those things, which is really to me is one of the best parts of it all, when you have a family and your own business. So Try to keep an eye out for those things.

Aaron

01:04:12 – 01:04:20

Yeah. Well, the thing the thing I'm already the thing I've already put on that list is Dune in 70 millimeter. Like, I need to go I need to go see it while it's

Ian

01:04:20 – 01:04:29

still in IMAX. Yeah. I do wanna do that too. I think it would be awesome. And I think it would be, like, significantly better in IMAX actually than the theater I saw it in.

Ian

01:04:29 – 01:04:38

We don't have good theaters here. So like, it was the biggest screen in my theater, but it was not sufficiently overwhelming. I don't think for the, like, huge sand worm.

Aaron

01:04:38 – 01:04:42

You want you wanna be blown like, you want your chest to rattle. Yeah.

Ian

01:04:42 – 01:04:56

That's what I think is the optimal viewing experience. So I would love trying to see if I can get down to the city to do that as well. But, yeah, exactly. Stuff like that. Like, bam, you're gonna go take 3 hours and drink diet Coke or drink water

Aaron

01:04:56 – 01:04:58

or something. As I can.

Ian

01:04:58 – 01:05:00

That's fine. Diet Coke free.

Aaron

01:05:00 – 01:05:22

I'll I'll leave us with another 30 rock anecdote because, you know, we have to. You you were saying you look back and you, like, said, I wish I took more days off or something. In one episode Jack Donaghy has a heart attack, and he comes back to work and he tells Liz Liman, he says, you know I was laying there dying, and all I could think was I wish I had worked more.

Ian

01:05:25 – 01:05:26

And I

Aaron

01:05:26 – 01:05:32

thought that is just like the funny That's so funny. Just perfect Jack Donaghy. On my deathbed, I was thinking, I wish I had worked more.

Ian

01:05:34 – 01:05:35

Oh my gosh. That's really good.

Aaron

01:05:35 – 01:05:36

So there you go. Go.

Ian

01:05:36 – 01:05:46

Watch 30 rock. Place to leave it. Watch 30 rock. Alright. Follow us, mostlytechnical.com, mostlytechpod on Twitter, and, email into mostlytechnicalpodcast@gmail.com.

Ian

01:05:48 – 01:06:01

We are starting to get a lot in there. They all get read. They don't all get responded to on air, but we will try our best. And, thanks everybody for, listening, and we'll be following along with Aaron over the next couple of months. It's gonna be super interesting.

Ian

01:06:01 – 01:06:03

Alright. Alright. Thanks.

Aaron

01:06:03 – 01:06:03

See you.