Your Glove Situation

January 31, 2024

Ian & Aaron discuss getting sick, something called 'The Suburban Dad Zone', using gloves to change diapers (!?!), and more. Sponsored by LaraJobs & Screencasting.com. Sent questions or feedback to mostlytechnicalpodcast@gmail.com.
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Transcript

Ian
00:00:02 – 00:00:07
Okay. Welcome back. Another episode back on air.
Aaron
00:00:07 – 00:00:12
Good to be back. Yeah. Missed missed one in the middle there. I got pretty sick, but good to be back.
Ian
00:00:13 – 00:00:16
You back you back in powerful, feeling strong?
Aaron
00:00:17 – 00:00:20
No. No. Not even not even a little bit.
Ian
00:00:20 – 00:00:25
Oh, no. Yeah. Over over the gut illness at least. How about that?
Aaron
00:00:25 – 00:00:26
Over the illness. Yeah.
Ian
00:00:26 – 00:00:26
Okay.
Aaron
00:00:26 – 00:00:31
Over the illness. Got the got the stomach bug that ripped through the family.
Ian
00:00:32 – 00:00:33
Stomach bug is the worst.
Aaron
00:00:34 – 00:00:46
Oh, dude. It is the worst. My older son got it first and threw up, like, 6 times, which is just the saddest thing in the world when a kid
Ian
00:00:46 – 00:00:48
throws up. So pitiful. Yeah.
Aaron
00:00:48 – 00:01:11
They just look at you all sad, and then they throw up. It's like, oh, buddy. And then my wife got it and was just kinda nauseous and never threw up and was over it in, like, 12 hours. And then I got it and I didn't throw up. I got close, but I got stomach cramps for, like, 18 hours, and I've never had stomach cramps before.
Aaron
00:01:12 – 00:01:15
Oh my gosh, I want
Ian
00:01:15 – 00:01:16
to die.
Aaron
00:01:17 – 00:01:21
Yes, I was, like, writhing in pain.
Ian
00:01:22 – 00:01:22
Oh, my gosh.
Aaron
00:01:22 – 00:01:26
There were points where I was, like, on the floor in the closet curled
Ian
00:01:26 – 00:01:26
up in
Aaron
00:01:26 – 00:01:29
a ball. It's like, what is happening?
Ian
00:01:29 – 00:01:31
Oh, you're really on a run here.
Aaron
00:01:31 – 00:01:41
Oh, my gosh. What is going on? So, yeah, that was bad. And then I had fever. I had fever for, like, 3 or 4 days.
Aaron
00:01:42 – 00:01:46
The kind of fever where you wake up and, like, your sheets are drenched with sweat.
Ian
00:01:47 – 00:01:56
Well, it's kind of a weird combo. I feel like with the stomach bug, the fever, like, maybe you have a little fever quickly, but you don't usually get the multi day fever with the stomach bug. I feel like that I know.
Aaron
00:01:56 – 00:01:58
That's what I'm saying.
Ian
00:01:58 – 00:02:03
Combo there. Wonder if you had 2 things at once. The way your luck's going, I'm guessing you had 2 different things at once.
Aaron
00:02:04 – 00:02:27
I think that's probably right, the way my luck is going. And then, of course, I'm still in all this, like, just, like, excruciating physical pain, where I can barely, like, lift my arms over my head and can't get up off the ground by myself. It's like, yeah, pretty pretty, pretty bad.
Ian
00:02:28 – 00:02:31
Any luck there with figuring that out?
Aaron
00:02:31 – 00:02:40
They they've they've diagnosed me with rheumatoid arthritis by process of elimination, which doesn't give me a lot of confidence.
Ian
00:02:40 – 00:02:41
Right.
Aaron
00:02:41 – 00:02:59
Because I don't have the, like, the blood tests to support rheumatoid arthritis. They're like, yeah, you know, in 20% of the cases, you don't have the blood tests, and we just diagnose it anyway. I'm like, that seems convenient, doesn't it? So I'm going to go get a second opinion.
Ian
00:02:59 – 00:03:12
Yeah. Definitely do that. You got it's so it's so hard because I had some health stuff going on when we had young kids, and it's, like, just, like, going to the doctor is just, like, impossible on top of Yeah. Kids and work and everything. It's it's so rough.
Ian
00:03:12 – 00:03:13
But
Aaron
00:03:13 – 00:03:14
So rough.
Ian
00:03:14 – 00:03:34
Do you know if they tested for Lyme disease? I know it's not big down there, but up here, that's a big thing, and it has, like, those kind of symptoms sometimes. Like, I don't know if you know about it, but it's like a tick borne illness, but it's really common of where I live. And, yeah, then they, like, slam you with tons of antibiotics to, to patch you up. But
Aaron
00:03:35 – 00:03:36
it might be something that you go back
Ian
00:03:36 – 00:03:42
another test. It's more rare in the south, but it is spreading. So it is, like, more common than it used to be.
Aaron
00:03:42 – 00:03:43
It used to be. Interesting.
Ian
00:03:43 – 00:03:49
Didn't exist down there, but, it is I mean, I don't know. Have you traveled up north lately? I don't I don't know what to call a few.
Aaron
00:03:49 – 00:03:52
Well, we went to we went to, what's it called?
Ian
00:03:52 – 00:03:59
Oh, it's Vermont. Oh, yeah. Vermont is like a total hotbed of Lyme disease. Yeah. Like, you should definitely check for that.
Ian
00:03:59 – 00:04:14
Mhmm. Like, if you have untreated Lyme disease for, like, now it's been, like, 6 months or whatever, like, absolutely or 4 months or whatever, like, you could have those kinda symptoms. Interesting. So we're we're playing doctor here on the podcast, but Yeah. So something to look into.
Ian
00:04:15 – 00:04:16
Interesting.
Aaron
00:04:16 – 00:04:18
That is a good oh,
Ian
00:04:18 – 00:04:21
that would be awesome. Right. I would love to
Aaron
00:04:21 – 00:04:24
I would love to have Lyme disease. That would be amazing.
Ian
00:04:24 – 00:04:37
Right. It actually can be quite serious. Of course, it's like, there was a vaccine for it for a little while, but then, like, whatever, something happened, they don't sell it anymore. And I wish they'd just make a vaccine for it, but, I don't know. So no vaccine.
Ian
00:04:37 – 00:04:46
No actual, like, total cure exactly, but they do with a bunch of antibiotics. It usually patches you up. Like, I've had it. My son had it.
Aaron
00:04:47 – 00:04:48
Really?
Ian
00:04:48 – 00:05:02
So yeah. I wonder I didn't get that far with it. I didn't have that kind of pain. It was definitely different. Like, because the one of the things is you get a like, if you see the patch on you, it's like a circular, skin rash kind of thing.
Ian
00:05:02 – 00:05:18
Like if you see that, then you just know you have it, but you only get that, like, 30% of the time or something. And also, like, ticks bite you in weird spots where, like, it might bite you in your hairline or, like, wherever. And, you know, it's not even see it even if you get it. So yeah. But it's kinda Bieber and stuff like that.
Ian
00:05:18 – 00:05:33
But it's, like, some of these weird things, it's, like, some people it's quite severe. Some people it's like they live with it forever and don't even know. And yeah. But up here, like everybody get like, when you have a physical, you get Lyme disease tested always, and like kids always get it tested. That'd be physical.
Ian
00:05:33 – 00:05:41
Yeah. It's just like a thing you just do if you live in New York, Connecticut. You know, I think in Vermont and stuff, they would have it up there. So yeah.
Aaron
00:05:41 – 00:05:42
Interesting.
Ian
00:05:42 – 00:05:43
Something to check out.
Aaron
00:05:43 – 00:05:48
Okay. Well, I'm gonna ask if I can get tested for that because I would love an answer.
Ian
00:05:48 – 00:06:03
Right. Yeah. Especially since you don't have a solid answer, it's, definitely worth digging around in some other more far field things and just getting more more advice. Because a lot of times, you just gotta find the right doctor too, like, go down the right path. But These
Aaron
00:06:03 – 00:06:08
doctors, man, they just don't freaking care at all.
Ian
00:06:08 – 00:06:21
The whole system's like, we're gonna move, I think, to this, one of these. So, you know, I assume it's the same down by you, but like doctors now are just like, you got 7 minutes go. What can you tell me? Yes. And it's like, yeah, like, okay, like, here's my whole life story.
Ian
00:06:21 – 00:06:22
Here's everything that's ever happened
Aaron
00:06:22 – 00:06:23
to me.
Ian
00:06:23 – 00:06:26
I'm trying to race through it. Right. And they're like, okay. Okay. Uh-huh.
Ian
00:06:26 – 00:06:39
Uh-huh. And then like, okay, here's some tests. Get out of here and, like, onto the next one. So, but they have the doctors where, like, you just basically pay more. There's actual name for these things, but it's like, whatever.
Ian
00:06:39 – 00:06:49
It's like $250. Yeah. But it's like, you get that hour with a doctor, and it's like, yes. That's what I want. And then, like, they can still refer you to specialists that are, like, under your health insurance.
Ian
00:06:49 – 00:06:59
So whatever. If you had to go to a specialist, they refer you and that's fine. Or blood work is still your health insurance. But for the, like, day in, day out, I'm sitting down. I'm having a physical.
Ian
00:06:59 – 00:07:18
Let's go through some something that's going on with me or just in general. How's it going? Like, here's somebody who's gonna sit and listen to me for 20 solid minutes, and we can have a conversation instead of, you're just in the board, and they're just churning you out. And if you don't have, like, obvious cancer or your arms falling off, then, you know, they're just like, get out of here. Yep.
Ian
00:07:18 – 00:07:28
So I don't know. We're thinking about doing that because our we have a $80 co pay anyway. So I'm like, well, $80 co pay or I could pay 2.50, and it's, like, once a year. Like, I'm just gonna start doing that. But yeah.
Ian
00:07:28 – 00:07:31
So it might be worth Yep. Finding one of those types.
Aaron
00:07:32 – 00:07:39
Yep. Yep. It's it's the worst. They, they come in, they stare at their computer the whole time,
Ian
00:07:39 – 00:07:41
ask you a couple questions, write a few things
Aaron
00:07:41 – 00:07:50
down, and then they're like, okay. Well, it's probably this. I'll give you this medicine, and we'll see how it works. Come back in 3 weeks. I'm like, what?
Aaron
00:07:51 – 00:07:53
Right. You haven't listened to anything I've been saying.
Ian
00:07:53 – 00:08:01
Yeah. I had some stuff. I got went down a whole path of, like, wrong medicine on the thing I had. Like, this is years ago, but it's like because they just start they're like, okay. Here.
Ian
00:08:01 – 00:08:02
Take this medicine. And you're like
Aaron
00:08:02 – 00:08:02
Yes.
Ian
00:08:02 – 00:08:12
Is it even the right medicine? Like, there's not even necessarily follow-up depending on what it is. Like, okay. Come back in a year, and it's like, just start taking this thing for a year and see if it works. Yeah.
Ian
00:08:12 – 00:08:18
So Yeah. Alright. Well, hopefully, some progress gets made there, man.
Aaron
00:08:18 – 00:08:25
Hopefully they all have Lyme disease. We'll see. Right. So here's here's a question. You know?
Aaron
00:08:25 – 00:08:34
Yeah. Let me start with setting a mutually shared understanding. You know how I always have good ideas that never backfire? Yes. Perfect.
Ian
00:08:34 – 00:08:36
That that we've established that on the show.
Aaron
00:08:36 – 00:08:54
Yeah. Multiple times. So what if I took all of these tests, all of these dozens and dozens of blood tests that I've had, and I, like, put them on GitHub, like, on a an open source repo and then turn the Internet loose on it. And I'm like, what do you think I have?
Ian
00:08:54 – 00:08:57
Yeah. Well, I mean, have you tried the chat gbt version
Aaron
00:08:57 – 00:08:59
of that? Yeah. I have.
Ian
00:08:59 – 00:09:01
And it And I don't know, like there.
Aaron
00:09:01 – 00:09:03
No. Nothing interesting. No.
Ian
00:09:03 – 00:09:15
I mean, I why not? Like, oh, I mean, the worst case scenario is, like, they're, like, somebody says, hey. You should go to this kind of doctor, and you waste a half a day going to that kind of doctor, and that's it. Like, it seems reasonable. Like
Aaron
00:09:16 – 00:09:20
I figured I could nerd snipe some people who are like, oh, I bet I could figure it out.
Ian
00:09:20 – 00:09:21
You got a lot of reach.
Aaron
00:09:22 – 00:09:29
Yeah. They'll go, like, super far into it. Maybe it ends up on Reddit and everybody, like, nerds out about it for a long time. And then
Ian
00:09:30 – 00:09:41
Yeah. You have these weird the thing is when you have, like, something that's not totally standard. Right? It's like the whole system's not designed for that. Like nobody's like, there's nobody in charge of figuring that out other than you.
Ian
00:09:41 – 00:09:55
And then to you have to go through. So like when I had a, like the dizziness eye issue stuff going on, which I didn't know was eye issue, like, it was just years of like, well, flare kind of got worse. I'll go to the doctor. Yeah. They'll be like, go for a hearing test, whatever, this and other thing.
Ian
00:09:55 – 00:10:01
I, and it's like, eventually I stumbled on the thing it actually was. And you're like, oh shit. But you know, it took like 8 years
Aaron
00:10:01 – 00:10:02
or whatever. Right.
Ian
00:10:02 – 00:10:25
To do that. And then, yeah, maybe there's somebody out there. Like one of the things I did is I wrote a blog post and that blog post actually gets a fair amount of people on it because it's like, Hey, if you have these symptoms, like here's a a weird diagnosis that, nobody is in the world's gonna give you if they're just like a regular eye doctor at your mall. Like, they're not up on this stuff. And so, yeah.
Ian
00:10:25 – 00:10:47
So there are just like weird things that go on with people that if you don't have the regular stuff, you kinda need to find somebody who can point you in the right direction, or you need to grind to the doctor treadmill till you find the one that's willing to dig deeper. So, yeah, I mean, I actually think that's a fine idea. Like, it's not even gonna be giving out your DNA or whatever. It's like, whatever. Here's some blood test.
Ian
00:10:47 – 00:10:49
Like, who cares? What do you think?
Aaron
00:10:49 – 00:10:50
Who cares? Okay.
Ian
00:10:51 – 00:10:51
All right.
Aaron
00:10:51 – 00:10:55
I think I'm gonna do that and see what the, see what the nerds of the Internet think.
Ian
00:10:55 – 00:10:56
No. I'm gonna get a lot
Aaron
00:10:56 – 00:10:58
of bad. I'm gonna get a lot of bad. Yeah.
Ian
00:10:58 – 00:10:58
You bet it
Aaron
00:10:58 – 00:10:59
should be very
Ian
00:10:59 – 00:11:02
to filter. Yeah. You gotta have, like, a a strong filter up. Okay? You're gonna get
Aaron
00:11:03 – 00:11:03
I'm ready.
Ian
00:11:03 – 00:11:12
Especially if you're putting it on YouTube. I don't know if you're gonna go YouTube with it on YouTube channel or if you're gonna go that far with it or not. If you go that far, like, you're gonna get some, you know, weird weird replies in there. But And
Aaron
00:11:12 – 00:11:21
I bet about 60% of the replies are gonna be about gut health, which I'm like Right. That's I don't know. That doesn't mean anything. Like, I don't know I don't know what you mean by gut health.
Ian
00:11:21 – 00:11:27
So it's gonna be that stuff. It's gonna be, you know, are you sure you're not already dead? Are you sure you're alive? Right. You might already be dead.
Ian
00:11:27 – 00:11:30
Like Mhmm. Right. Yeah. All this other stuff are like
Aaron
00:11:30 – 00:11:37
There's maybe gonna be, like, a 5 percent, like, how dare you have us do the work for you? What a privileged person you are.
Ian
00:11:37 – 00:11:39
But Yeah. Yeah.
Aaron
00:11:39 – 00:11:40
We'll see.
Ian
00:11:41 – 00:11:44
I think it hurt. I mean, I'm down right. Yeah. I think
Aaron
00:11:44 – 00:11:46
it's another. This is another good era and idea.
Ian
00:11:46 – 00:11:47
I think this is
Aaron
00:11:47 – 00:11:52
speaking. Speaking of good Aaron ideas, I am officially back on paternity leave as of today.
Ian
00:11:52 – 00:11:57
Oh, okay. I was kinda wondering about that. It seemed like this would be hard to not be on paternity leave right now.
Aaron
00:11:57 – 00:12:07
This is hard to not be on paternity leave. Yeah. So I I have 5 more weeks. We get a total of 12, and I was gonna, like, take them later in the year. Right.
Aaron
00:12:09 – 00:12:27
And just not not working. So back on paternity, already feeling a sense of relief of, like, okay, I can just focus on getting through this, like, through over the hump with these kids and figuring out some of this health stuff.
Ian
00:12:28 – 00:12:43
Yeah. That's a lot. That's a lot, man. Even just on the kid even putting aside the health stuff, just on the kid front, like, between birth and 3 months old, like, 3 months old is so much better. Like, there's just gonna be a lot easier to deal with if you get another month or 2 under their belts here.
Aaron
00:12:43 – 00:12:43
Yeah.
Ian
00:12:43 – 00:12:49
You know, 3 or 4 months old or whatever they'll be with when you're done. Feel like that's probably a good move.
Aaron
00:12:50 – 00:13:03
Yeah. Just just continually punched in the face. So I talked I talked to Holly yesterday, and I was like, listen. I'm I feel really guilty, but I've got to take the rest of this paternity. And she was like, why do you feel guilty?
Aaron
00:13:03 – 00:13:08
Take your paternity. So, yeah. You're on paternity.
Ian
00:13:08 – 00:13:11
Do you have time off? Would you take time off on top, you think? Or
Aaron
00:13:13 – 00:13:16
I think, like, technically, I could. You know, we have unlimited
Ian
00:13:16 – 00:13:20
Right. PTO. PTO. Oh, we have unlimited PTO. That's something weird.
Ian
00:13:20 – 00:13:22
I don't I don't I'm not fan of the unlimited
Aaron
00:13:22 – 00:13:24
PTO. I know. So I don't know, like,
Ian
00:13:25 – 00:13:30
what am I acceptable there? Like, you're you're getting punched in the face. Does that mean you could take 6 months off? Is that too much?
Aaron
00:13:30 – 00:13:31
Can you get
Ian
00:13:31 – 00:13:46
3 weeks off? Can you take 2 weeks off? Like, it feels just much nicer to be like, you get X time off. Everybody knows what you get. Maybe there's extenuating circumstances where, like, you have to work something out with somebody because they need more time, and then that's then the conversation you could have versus, like, sort of weirdo state.
Ian
00:13:46 – 00:14:01
But, alright. Well, it's an option, I guess, too. Yeah. If you need to, oh, what is going on? If you need, like, a little more time too, but they're gonna be a lot lot bigger and better there after even just a little more time.
Ian
00:14:01 – 00:14:01
So
Aaron
00:14:01 – 00:14:01
Yeah. I
Ian
00:14:01 – 00:14:03
think they kids, man.
Aaron
00:14:03 – 00:14:04
Poor kids, man.
Ian
00:14:04 – 00:14:06
It's gonna it's gonna be a lot for a while.
Aaron
00:14:06 – 00:14:07
It's too many kids.
Ian
00:14:08 – 00:14:09
It's a lot of kids.
Aaron
00:14:09 – 00:14:10
It's too many.
Ian
00:14:10 – 00:14:11
It's a lot of kids.
Aaron
00:14:11 – 00:14:14
It's just they're they're everywhere.
Ian
00:14:14 – 00:14:17
Maybe got eBay 1. Just eBay. They're go down to 3.
Aaron
00:14:17 – 00:14:18
They're they come in sets. Yeah.
Ian
00:14:18 – 00:14:20
I mean. It's all of the pair.
Aaron
00:14:20 – 00:14:27
It's just there's just there's so many of them. Yeah. And the schedules are just like Yeah. They're it's nonstop.
Ian
00:14:28 – 00:14:29
Yeah. It's nonstop.
Aaron
00:14:29 – 00:14:32
It's around the clock nonstop.
Ian
00:14:33 – 00:14:37
And I don't wanna demoralize you, but, here's a little story which might demoralize
Aaron
00:14:37 – 00:14:37
you. Yeah.
Ian
00:14:37 – 00:14:45
Which is, so Valentine's day is my, my, oh, that's right. Your birthday.
Aaron
00:14:45 – 00:14:48
That's right. It's important. Yeah. Important context for this story.
Ian
00:14:48 – 00:15:06
So me and my wife, we're gonna go celebrate your birthday on Valentine's Day. And, it's our 30th anniversary of our first date because we started dating and she was a freshman in high school. So a long time ago. And so I've been trying to, like, figure out something special to do. Right.
Ian
00:15:07 – 00:15:17
And it's just literally impossible. Like the kids have stuff to do, like trying to get into school. And like, if I'm trying to do an overnight, a single night, one night.
Aaron
00:15:17 – 00:15:18
1 night.
Ian
00:15:18 – 00:15:25
One night with my youngest is almost 11. And it's, like, impossible. Impossible. It can't be done. It's like Oh.
Ian
00:15:25 – 00:15:34
I was trying to do it as a surprise. I just told her this morning. I was like, listen. And we have this whole joke where, like, I try to do nice things for her, and they don't work out. And then I have to tell her about the nice thing I was going to do.
Ian
00:15:34 – 00:15:39
Classic. Yeah. Another nice thing I would try. I've spent days trying to work this out. It's impossible.
Ian
00:15:39 – 00:15:58
Like, I have no way I'm gonna be able to do this without including her because, like, there's just too many things in motion. So to have any chance of even doing it is gonna require both of us to, like, call in favors and, you know, all the stuff to make this one night happen. So, yeah, it's it's a lot. Having the multiple kids, there's always somebody doing something. It needs to go somewhere.
Ian
00:15:58 – 00:16:00
They're sick. They're this. They're that. Like
Aaron
00:16:00 – 00:16:06
So for at least the next 11 years, we have we have you gotta keep me posted to let me know how long it goes.
Ian
00:16:07 – 00:16:32
My wife's been trying to get get back into the business and do some stuff, and but it's so hot. Like from, I think it was like something like early November to last week. I think it was there hasn't been a single day where the kids, at least one kid wasn't home. Like, it's crazy. Like, because people were sick, then there was time off, then there was holidays, and there was something else, and they had days off of school.
Ian
00:16:32 – 00:16:35
Like, it's, like, unbelievable. They're just, like, always
Aaron
00:16:35 – 00:16:36
stuff all
Ian
00:16:36 – 00:16:39
the time. They're just there. They're there all the time. So
Aaron
00:16:40 – 00:16:43
Oh, perfect. Yeah. Good good to know.
Ian
00:16:43 – 00:16:44
Very good.
Aaron
00:16:44 – 00:16:47
Yeah. Thanks. Awesome.
Ian
00:16:48 – 00:16:59
This kinda ties in. Should we should we do your, your your what you put on the list here with diapers? That kinda merges in. Because I got some bad news around that too for you. So we'll go with full of bad news.
Aaron
00:17:00 – 00:17:04
Yeah. Listen, let me tell you. So I'm a pretty normal guy.
Ian
00:17:04 – 00:17:05
Oh, yeah.
Aaron
00:17:05 – 00:17:16
Sure. Yeah. And, you know, I think I think maybe this is is weird. I'm I'm the only person I know that that does this.
Ian
00:17:16 – 00:17:16
But I
Aaron
00:17:16 – 00:17:25
think this is the I think this is the reasonable position, and everyone else is unreasonable. Okay. I've changed a lot of diapers. Okay? I've changed a
Ian
00:17:25 – 00:17:26
You're a pro.
Aaron
00:17:27 – 00:17:53
Lot. A lot of diapers and continue to this day to change a lot of diapers. There's not been one. Well, I'll I'll say there are fewer than than a handful, so fewer than 5 times that I've changed a diaper without wearing gloves or a single glove. We'll say a single a single glove.
Ian
00:17:53 – 00:17:55
Oh, Michael Jackson it.
Aaron
00:17:55 – 00:17:58
He's got the white glove. Single I'm usually a single
Ian
00:17:58 – 00:18:02
glove. Just a hot changer. Glove, I assume. Not the one that's Yes. Yeah.
Aaron
00:18:02 – 00:18:11
I gotcha. Every single diaper I have ever changed, save for a few rare emergencies, I've worn a surgical glove to change the
Ian
00:18:12 – 00:18:14
diaper. Wild. I I I don't think I've ever heard of this.
Aaron
00:18:15 – 00:18:17
The objective, like, objectively,
Ian
00:18:24 – 00:18:25
glove when you're when you're
Aaron
00:18:25 – 00:18:38
down there in the danger zone. I don't understand why people my friends make fun of me for this. Yeah. I don't understand. I learned this because I saw it when we first I'd never ever ever in my life changed a diaper before we had kids.
Aaron
00:18:38 – 00:18:38
Why would I? Right.
Ian
00:18:38 – 00:18:39
Why would
Aaron
00:18:39 – 00:18:45
I change a diaper? I don't need to change other people's other kids' diapers. No. At the hospital, they've got those gloves on the wall. Right?
Aaron
00:18:46 – 00:18:55
They've got 3 boxes of gloves, small, medium, large. Doctors walks in walks in and they put on a new pair of gloves. I see the nurses putting on gloves to change diapers, and I'm like,
Ian
00:18:55 – 00:18:56
right, Yeah.
Aaron
00:18:56 – 00:18:57
I'm doing this clicks.
Ian
00:18:57 – 00:18:57
I don't
Aaron
00:18:57 – 00:19:08
wanna touch that stuff. And so I'm grabbing I'm grabbing gloves off the wall. When we left, I took a whole box. Like, I paid $1,000,000 to be here. I'm gonna take a box of gloves home with me.
Ian
00:19:08 – 00:19:09
I love it.
Aaron
00:19:09 – 00:19:12
And then when we ran out, I just ordered more off Amazon, and I've never stopped.
Ian
00:19:14 – 00:19:24
So I guess let's just start. I assume I I feel like I gotta set the scene a little. I assume we're not we're not a cloth diaper family. Let's just start there.
Aaron
00:19:25 – 00:19:28
No. No. Nobody got time for that. Yeah.
Ian
00:19:29 – 00:19:30
I agree. We can't deal with the clock.
Aaron
00:19:30 – 00:19:33
Sorry to Earth or whatever, but nobody's got time for that. Right.
Ian
00:19:33 – 00:19:53
Alright. So we're we're regular diapers. I have to say, I feel like I'm not totally opposed to this, but it does feel like an extra step, which I don't know if I love the extra step exactly. Although I guess if you're going in, are you feeling like you then don't do you not have to hand wash post? Like, are you clean?
Aaron
00:19:53 – 00:19:56
Oh, no. Still you still hit the you still hit the,
Ian
00:19:56 – 00:19:57
You still hand wash?
Aaron
00:19:57 – 00:19:58
The pump.
Ian
00:19:59 – 00:19:59
What's it called?
Aaron
00:20:00 – 00:20:02
Sanitizer next to the changing station post.
Ian
00:20:02 – 00:20:04
Faster than a full hand wash.
Aaron
00:20:04 – 00:20:04
Yeah.
Ian
00:20:07 – 00:20:13
Time wise, it's okay. You don't you don't have any issues with, like, speed wise there? It doesn't make
Aaron
00:20:13 – 00:20:20
your time. Speed wise. Pick them up, put them on the table, open the drawer, put a glove on, change What about then you're done.
Ian
00:20:20 – 00:20:21
What about your wife?
Aaron
00:20:21 – 00:20:25
Oh, no. She's she's She's talking about natural.
Ian
00:20:25 – 00:20:26
Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
Aaron
00:20:26 – 00:20:29
Yeah. No. Never never in her life. She's she's gonna
Ian
00:20:29 – 00:20:42
understand it. I don't know. I have to say I'm I'm glad I'm out of the diaper zone. I mean, I guess I feel like we my my path to it was more like if you go with the proper wipe technique
Aaron
00:20:43 – 00:20:43
No. There's
Ian
00:20:43 – 00:20:46
fairly rare that you get it actually on your hands. Fairly.
Aaron
00:20:46 – 00:20:54
Rare. Not Fairly fairly rare is enough just for the record. Fairly rare is is enough. Yeah. That's already that's
Ian
00:20:54 – 00:20:55
already too much.
Aaron
00:20:56 – 00:20:57
I don't I
Ian
00:20:57 – 00:21:01
mean, we're talking blown away by this. I haven't even really considered it. Like, it's
Aaron
00:21:01 – 00:21:02
If we're talking about 1%
Ian
00:21:02 – 00:21:03
this is tight. If
Aaron
00:21:03 – 00:21:07
we're talking about 1% chance, I'm Yeah. I'm wearing a glove. Yeah.
Ian
00:21:07 – 00:21:12
Okay. Alright. I don't It's like a Yeah. It's like a condom like situation here. You're going with the odds.
Aaron
00:21:13 – 00:21:15
Sure. Yeah. Gotcha. In in a way. Yeah.
Aaron
00:21:15 – 00:21:21
I just don't want I just there's you never know. First of all, you never know what you're gonna find.
Ian
00:21:22 – 00:21:40
My follow-up to this is so perfect because it's just so perfect. Alright. So Yeah. When I read this, here was my reaction. My reaction is that this whole, like people get excited about being done with diapers.
Ian
00:21:40 – 00:21:57
But that being done with diapers is sort of a lie that you're told as a parent, like that is this end zone of like, once they're out of the diapers, right, then Mhmm. We're free. But it's really not true. Like, it's it's good to be out of diapers. Like, you're sick of buying them.
Ian
00:21:57 – 00:22:09
You're sick of throwing them out. Like, so that part's all good. It's it's definitely a big moment and you are happy for it to arrive. But the wiping of the asses does not stop for a very long time after that. Yes.
Ian
00:22:09 – 00:22:18
So you have lots of ass wiping to go. You have years of ass wiping. What? And this ass wiping is not gonna be on your terms like the diaper is. The diaper is beautiful.
Ian
00:22:18 – 00:22:22
Like, you pick them up. You put them down. They don't move. You you zip them around. You clean them up.
Ian
00:22:22 – 00:22:22
It's great.
Aaron
00:22:22 – 00:22:23
Yeah.
Ian
00:22:23 – 00:22:34
When you're just at Target and the filthy toilet and they have to go and they're there and you have to wipe them, What are you gonna do now with your glove situation? Oh my god.
Aaron
00:22:34 – 00:22:35
This is
Ian
00:22:36 – 00:22:38
adult like poop? Oh, it's terrible.
Aaron
00:22:38 – 00:22:42
This is news to me. I'll be honest. I'll be honest. I thought at some point,
Ian
00:22:43 – 00:22:44
you just transition
Aaron
00:22:44 – 00:22:47
out of diapers, and then you never say again.
Ian
00:22:47 – 00:22:50
Letting you in on the secret. I hate to do it.
Aaron
00:22:50 – 00:22:53
Not a good day for me, Ian. This is
Ian
00:22:54 – 00:22:54
a bad bad day.
Aaron
00:22:54 – 00:22:56
Telling me a lot of things I don't wanna hear.
Ian
00:22:56 – 00:23:04
Oh, man. But it's true. They just poop in the worst places, and they can't, and they need help. And they didn't make it there. So now you're dealing with, like
Aaron
00:23:04 – 00:23:05
Oh my gosh. Gosh.
Ian
00:23:05 – 00:23:08
I do not wanna know any of this. Got a underwear full of poop that you're dealing with. Like
Aaron
00:23:09 – 00:23:10
I don't wanna know any of this.
Ian
00:23:10 – 00:23:12
Oh, man. Pulling over Tell
Aaron
00:23:12 – 00:23:16
me I'm gonna be in I'm gonna be in gloves for the next 10 years too?
Ian
00:23:16 – 00:23:26
I'm saying you're gonna have, like, people wear phones strapped to their belts. You're gonna have, like, that, but for, like, a glove dispenser where you're just like, boom. No problem, kids. Bam. Oh my gosh.
Ian
00:23:28 – 00:23:31
Well Yeah. I'm excited to follow-up in a couple of years
Aaron
00:23:31 – 00:23:33
or 2 weeks. Plans.
Ian
00:23:33 – 00:23:37
Well, I guess the I guess the oldest ones are close. Right? They're close. So if you get them out of diapers,
Aaron
00:23:37 – 00:23:37
we'll kind of follow-up
Ian
00:23:37 – 00:23:38
fairly soon.
Aaron
00:23:39 – 00:23:43
Yeah. We tried we tried already once, and it didn't take. And so we'll try again at some point. But
Ian
00:23:43 – 00:23:50
yeah. Yeah. One little gross tip, for you as you exit the diaper.
Aaron
00:23:50 – 00:23:52
I want it. I don't know if I. Okay. Yeah.
Ian
00:23:52 – 00:24:03
This is a good one. This is a good one. They make for the car k. These potties that are, like, cold flat, and you open the potty, and then you use a gallon ziplock bag as
Aaron
00:24:03 – 00:24:05
It's the worst thing I've ever heard in my life.
Ian
00:24:06 – 00:24:13
And then if you emergency have to go poopy, it's a boom. You pop them on that thing. You seal up the little ziplock baggy. You're good to go. Yeah.
Ian
00:24:13 – 00:24:13
No.
Aaron
00:24:13 – 00:24:14
I I refuse
Ian
00:24:16 – 00:24:17
to acknowledge this.
Aaron
00:24:17 – 00:24:17
No. When
Ian
00:24:17 – 00:24:22
they're when they're pooping in your 4 Runner, you're gonna be like, oh, I wish I had one of those ziplock bag toilet.
Aaron
00:24:22 – 00:24:25
Suddenly suddenly, I'm I'm I'm wondering if I'm cut out for any
Ian
00:24:25 – 00:24:30
of this. You're a little late now. I don't know.
Aaron
00:24:32 – 00:24:36
Like, I'm I'm kinda barely scraping by, and you're telling me it gets worse. That's bad.
Ian
00:24:36 – 00:24:44
Oh, worse. It's it's it's better, but there are still challenges. There are still challenges. They're still challenges. It's like it's the same thing with when they're little babies, and you're like, great.
Ian
00:24:44 – 00:24:57
I put them down. You're like, this is I got I I need them to walk because it's so much better when they can walk. So then they start walking and then they're into everything and then you gotta watch them. They're walking in the road. They're doing the so, like, that's its own new set of challenges.
Ian
00:24:57 – 00:25:07
And that's the same kind of thing with the pooping. It's like, you you leave the one phase, and that's good and happy, but then you get the new phase has its own its own challenges that you have to deal with.
Aaron
00:25:07 – 00:25:16
Well, I'll keep you up to date on my strategies because I feel like the nitrile glove from Amazon is a pretty good strategy, and we'll we'll see what I invent for the next the next phase.
Ian
00:25:17 – 00:25:23
Oh my gosh. Alright. Alright. Any other kids stuff we need to cover? Kids, otherwise, are there they're doing alright?
Aaron
00:25:24 – 00:25:33
Kids otherwise are doing are doing alright. Yeah. I think I think we're all good there. I have been working. I'll I'll be I'll be curious to get your take on this.
Aaron
00:25:33 – 00:25:43
I've been working on you know, people are asking, like, hey. How's it going? How are you doing? And, you know, there's like a there's like a polite, a polite way to respond. So, like, hey.
Aaron
00:25:43 – 00:25:48
How's it going? How are you doing? Right. And then there's, like, the the suburban dad way
Ian
00:25:48 – 00:25:49
of responding.
Aaron
00:25:49 – 00:25:53
There's, like, a I feel like there's a a suburban dad scale of
Ian
00:25:53 – 00:25:53
Mhmm.
Aaron
00:25:54 – 00:26:01
How you're doing. Yeah. But I've kinda been I've kinda been, like I've been workshopping the suburban dad scale of how you're doing. At the top of the
Ian
00:26:01 – 00:26:02
scale No.
Aaron
00:26:02 – 00:26:19
When you ask when you ask a dad at a barbecue how you're doing, top of the scale, living the dream. That's the top. That guy that guy is watching football. He's got jet skis in his driveway for some reason. That guy, that's the that's as good as it gets.
Aaron
00:26:19 – 00:26:19
Right?
Ian
00:26:20 – 00:26:33
Well, okay. I I so I already have a question because I do feel like that is like it's like the ace. Like, the ace could be the top of the straight, or it could be the bottom of the straight. Like, I feel like it's a lot in the inflection. Like, you know, you could have the negative version of that Yes.
Ian
00:26:33 – 00:26:37
Collected negatively, and you're like, oh, man. This guy is way down in the weeds.
Aaron
00:26:37 – 00:26:41
He's he's hateful. Unironic unironic. Living the
Ian
00:26:41 – 00:26:42
dream.
Aaron
00:26:42 – 00:26:43
Living the dream. Maxed out. Yeah.
Ian
00:26:43 – 00:26:45
He's drinking beers. He's watching football. Beer.
Aaron
00:26:45 – 00:26:47
He motorsports. Bringing him food.
Ian
00:26:47 – 00:26:50
His team won. Cigar. Yeah. Gotcha.
Aaron
00:26:50 – 00:26:55
Exactly. Exactly. So below right below that, still on the positive side is
Ian
00:26:55 – 00:26:56
Yep.
Aaron
00:26:56 – 00:26:58
No complaints. No complaints.
Ian
00:26:58 – 00:26:59
Okay. Alright. Right?
Aaron
00:26:59 – 00:27:02
That's still, like he's not living above water.
Ian
00:27:02 – 00:27:03
His head's above water.
Aaron
00:27:03 – 00:27:06
His head's above water. We're still on the positive side of the line. No complaints.
Ian
00:27:07 – 00:27:10
Right. I think there's only 2. I think there's only 2. There's only, yeah, there's only 2
Aaron
00:27:10 – 00:27:18
on the positive side of the line. Yeah. Then then below that Mhmm. How how how are you doing? Oh, we're making it.
Ian
00:27:18 – 00:27:20
Making oh, yeah. That's below the line for sure.
Aaron
00:27:20 – 00:27:21
That's below the line. Right?
Ian
00:27:21 – 00:27:23
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Aaron
00:27:23 – 00:27:25
That's not all the way that's not all the way down, but it's like
Ian
00:27:25 – 00:27:30
You're not yeah. You can still see white. You're not down in the depths, but it's not good.
Aaron
00:27:30 – 00:27:45
We're not we're not even at doom points. Yeah. We're we're making it. And then at I think at the bottom is well, the bottom has a range or the bottom has modifiers, but the the beginning of the bottom is hanging in there.
Ian
00:27:45 – 00:27:48
Right. Hanging in. Right. That's the most. Right?
Ian
00:27:48 – 00:27:58
Yeah. Hanging in implies, like, could you know that they're being nice about it? So it's like hanging in is, like it's probably pretty bad, but it's like Yes. Whatever. They're not suicidal yet, so they're hanging in.
Aaron
00:27:58 – 00:28:03
But the but it has a scale. Right? So you're you're hanging in there or you're barely hanging in there.
Ian
00:28:03 – 00:28:04
Yeah. Barely hanging in.
Aaron
00:28:04 – 00:28:12
Yeah. And so that's that's, like, oh, uh-oh. Yeah. And then and then there's the the variable modifier of of man. Right?
Aaron
00:28:12 – 00:28:12
So
Ian
00:28:13 – 00:28:14
Oh, no. You don't wanna hear the man.
Aaron
00:28:14 – 00:28:17
You don't wanna hear you don't wanna hear man because and the longer
Ian
00:28:17 – 00:28:18
the man goes, the worse the guy is doing. Right? So if
Aaron
00:28:18 – 00:28:23
you say, man goes, the worse the guy is doing. Right? So if you say, man, we're barely hanging in there. It's like, oh. That's trouble.
Aaron
00:28:23 – 00:28:34
Say, man, we're barely hanging in there. It's like, oh. That's trouble. Say, man, we're barely hanging in there. Oh, that guy is almost gone.
Ian
00:28:35 – 00:28:37
Right? Getting divorced. It's like, yes. Yeah. It's alright.
Aaron
00:28:37 – 00:28:39
Yeah. It is over. Yeah.
Ian
00:28:39 – 00:28:40
I'm with you.
Aaron
00:28:40 – 00:28:41
So I feel like I feel like this.
Ian
00:28:41 – 00:28:42
I think he got it at a scale.
Aaron
00:28:42 – 00:28:44
It's pretty solid. Scale. Right?
Ian
00:28:44 – 00:28:46
Yeah. I don't have any additions there.
Aaron
00:28:46 – 00:28:51
That's the polite way to respond at a barbecue. Like, how you doing?
Ian
00:28:51 – 00:28:57
Yeah. Have you ever had that so have you ever been doing so bad that you broke down the badness, or do you stick with the scale?
Aaron
00:28:58 – 00:29:06
You know, if it's if it's actual friends, I'll I'll break it down, but most of the time, it's just it's the scale for sure.
Ian
00:29:06 – 00:29:07
Yeah. Yeah. That's enough.
Aaron
00:29:07 – 00:29:09
Yeah. Good people play that.
Ian
00:29:09 – 00:29:09
And the
Aaron
00:29:09 – 00:29:15
thing is, because if it's not friends, they don't wanna know. Especially if they're living the dream. They don't want to know.
Ian
00:29:15 – 00:29:18
Yeah. Yeah. Oh, the living the dream guy.
Aaron
00:29:18 – 00:29:22
They're just asking, I'd love to be a living the dream guy. Can you imagine?
Ian
00:29:23 – 00:29:31
He sold his business. Yeah. He's fly fishing during the day. Exactly. He's working out 5 times a week.
Ian
00:29:31 – 00:29:32
He's looking he's
Aaron
00:29:32 – 00:29:37
looking around. In the yard looking at stuff. What's he looking at? I don't know. He's just looking at stuff.
Ian
00:29:37 – 00:29:39
He's gonna do his plantings. He's getting ready.
Aaron
00:29:39 – 00:29:40
Oh. Gonna have some
Ian
00:29:40 – 00:29:43
plantings this year. Okay.
Aaron
00:29:43 – 00:29:46
Well, good. Suburban suburban dad scale.
Ian
00:29:46 – 00:29:49
I have nothing to add to that. I think I think you've you've dialed it in.
Aaron
00:29:50 – 00:29:53
I thought about it a lot. I've been I've been thinking about it.
Ian
00:29:53 – 00:30:02
You've had time, like, when you're rocking a baby or feeding a baby, you're like, let me figure out this scale. Yeah. And I like it. Alright.
Aaron
00:30:02 – 00:30:02
Yeah. Alright.
Ian
00:30:02 – 00:30:08
What else do you wanna do here? We got things. We got, I don't know. Do you
Aaron
00:30:08 – 00:30:10
wanna about your poker tournament.
Ian
00:30:11 – 00:30:16
There's nothing much to this one. It was went down to Bogota. I ended up,
Aaron
00:30:16 – 00:30:22
like, at a surprise poker tournament because you DM'd me and you're like, hey. You can't record. I gotta I'm doing a poker tournament now. And I'm like,
Ian
00:30:22 – 00:30:35
yeah. Yeah. Well, so I was gonna go to a poke. I had planned to go to a poker tournament. So I was like, whatever I had to push in the button to reset the database, all the fricking beginning of winter and whatever that was over.
Ian
00:30:36 – 00:30:51
And then I was like, all right, I'm gonna go to poker tournament, kind of reset my brain. I like the competition. I like the like using my brain in a different way from the like internet technology stuff. Like that sit there with the other mutants who are like right. Have their weird stories and things that happen at poker table.
Ian
00:30:54 – 00:31:02
But then I got the COVID, so I'm sick with COVID. So then that messed up me going to my poker tournament. So I was like, oh, forget. I mean, I couldn't go. I was like, so okay.
Ian
00:31:02 – 00:31:15
Fine. I'm not gonna go. Then I realized this this was like a tournament series and that there was actually one more tournament. I could go to if I like whatever I realized I could go. So that's why I messaged you.
Ian
00:31:15 – 00:31:30
I'm like, you can't score. And so I'm like, alright, we're gonna head down to this poker tournament. So head down there. I made it to day 2, so it was a multi day tournament. So I got through day 1, made day 2 lost focus,
Aaron
00:31:30 – 00:31:31
sort of
Ian
00:31:31 – 00:31:44
lost focus. I was intentionally doing what I was doing, but it was just a little too, it was a little too ambitious. I was making too ambitious a play. Got into a spot on the flop where I just had to go with it, so I went with it. And, I lost.
Ian
00:31:44 – 00:31:47
So that was it, and I was out. So is this, like, an
Aaron
00:31:47 – 00:31:50
invite or, like, you have to qualify for the tournament?
Ian
00:31:51 – 00:31:51
Just pay money.
Aaron
00:31:52 – 00:31:52
This is the beauty of
Ian
00:31:52 – 00:31:54
the beauty of poker because it's, like
Aaron
00:31:54 – 00:31:55
the buy in.
Ian
00:31:56 – 00:31:59
This one was, like, 2,000 or something like that. So it's
Aaron
00:31:59 – 00:32:04
And what did you stand to to win? Like, what is the winner? I guess.
Ian
00:32:04 – 00:32:10
I think the winner was, like, 400,000 or something like that. Oh, woah. Yeah. No. Maybe it's, like, 3
Aaron
00:32:10 – 00:32:14
years old. At the level that you you exited at, do you get anything?
Ian
00:32:14 – 00:32:16
I got nothing. No. I got nothing.
Aaron
00:32:16 – 00:32:16
Oh, no.
Ian
00:32:17 – 00:32:23
I got nothing. Yep. That was a bummer. So, yeah. But it wasn't too exciting.
Ian
00:32:23 – 00:32:35
I don't know. Like, I've been trying to I wanted to play more tournaments because this is gonna be my year of tournaments. I think that's the way I'm currently thinking about it. I'm kind of bored of the cash games. Like, I know how to beat the cash games, which is nice.
Ian
00:32:35 – 00:32:57
You just go there and win money, which is fine. Not every time, but the majority of time, but, but it's also kind of boring. So trying to get better at tournaments, Torments are more where like the glory is in poker. This is kind of like, so I don't know. So we kind of warm up might go wsop, which is like the big tournament series, the like famous tournament series in the, summer.
Ian
00:32:58 – 00:33:25
But I don't know the play the, you know, in these tournaments that have, like, larger buy ins, like, the players are very good and they're very studied and there's all these tools now to study and programs and things like that, which I don't have time to delve as deep as obviously a professional poker player does. So, Yeah. So I don't know. This one was not too exciting. I was a little, little disappointed.
Ian
00:33:25 – 00:33:39
I did, however, then, so I try to keep my comps up. So I get the free rooms. The free rooms make it nicer to go play poker tournaments because if you have to, like, pay for the room, kind of another fee. And So I won, like, $3,000 playing roulette. So there we go.
Aaron
00:33:39 – 00:33:40
What?
Ian
00:33:40 – 00:33:42
So yeah. That was good.
Aaron
00:33:42 – 00:33:43
So you came home up?
Ian
00:33:43 – 00:33:45
I was up. So it was fun.
Aaron
00:33:45 – 00:33:46
That's amazing.
Ian
00:33:46 – 00:33:51
Yeah. That was pretty good. I had a nice little run on the roulette table. So That's crazy. I love roulette.
Ian
00:33:51 – 00:33:58
Roulette is my alternative to poker because there's zero thinking. Like, everything else still has some level of thinking. No thinking. Pick a number. Okay?
Ian
00:33:58 – 00:34:01
I'll pick a number. Let's see if it hits. Great. It does. Awesome.
Ian
00:34:01 – 00:34:02
Woah. It doesn't So
Aaron
00:34:02 – 00:34:07
what's what's your strategy there? Do you do red black? You do pick, like, an actual individual number?
Ian
00:34:07 – 00:34:08
Yeah. You got to pick the number.
Aaron
00:34:08 – 00:34:09
Don't don't don't don't
Ian
00:34:09 – 00:34:10
like the red black.
Aaron
00:34:10 – 00:34:13
Don't do that to me. What do I what do I know about gambling?
Ian
00:34:13 – 00:34:22
I mean, you can pick red black, but, like, it's no fun. You gotta you gotta have some take some risks. Pick a number. Pick a couple numbers. Put the money out there.
Aaron
00:34:22 – 00:34:24
And that's what you do. Pick a couple individuals.
Ian
00:34:25 – 00:34:31
Couple numbers. Yeah. Yeah. I have, like, ones that I usually pick my birthday, my wife's birthday. You know, I'm always the full old man status.
Ian
00:34:31 – 00:34:40
Like, I got my my handful of numbers, right, that I pick. Yeah. I'll do a couple other random ones. That's it. And then, either way that comps
Aaron
00:34:40 – 00:34:44
You hit enough of those to get 3 grand to win 3 grand?
Ian
00:34:44 – 00:34:47
Well, because it was that Should
Aaron
00:34:47 – 00:34:48
I gamble? Is gambling You
Ian
00:34:48 – 00:35:01
should gamble. We gotta get you gambling. We'll get you gambling. Don't worry about it. So there's, like, there are these so if you go to a table that's, like, I don't know what the minimum usually is like $50 a bet, which is not $50 on a single number.
Ian
00:35:01 – 00:35:11
It's not across all your bets on table. It's $50. That's a lot of that. Billion. You play at a better table, which has only 1 0, which is a superior table to
Aaron
00:35:12 – 00:35:13
One0 on the wheel?
Ian
00:35:13 – 00:35:19
23. Yeah. No. Right. So you get better odds, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Ian
00:35:19 – 00:35:29
So it pays more to you, basically. So it's almost it it's the one of the better bets because it's, like, losing not too much to the house. So you could play for almost a year.
Aaron
00:35:29 – 00:35:30
Thing. That's what you're telling me.
Ian
00:35:30 – 00:35:36
Well, you know, you're sure they could lose money, but I also have an ulterior motive, which is to get free rooms. So I get the free rooms.
Aaron
00:35:36 – 00:35:37
Free, technically.
Ian
00:35:38 – 00:35:54
Yeah. Free. I'm paying, I'm paying the house rate on a low rate game and it's like balances out, because the rooms are actually quite expensive at some of these places. So, you know, the free room is nice. Then you win sometimes, which is nice.
Ian
00:35:55 – 00:36:03
Had some dinner, had a nice steak, but I came home. This is a this was my first long trip in the EV, so that was a little bit of an adventure.
Aaron
00:36:03 – 00:36:05
Oh, wow. And you made it?
Ian
00:36:05 – 00:36:16
That was good. I made it. I made it there and back, stopped, both through. I didn't I could have made it there without stopping, but they don't really have a good charging setup there or whatever. So I was like, well, I'll just stop.
Ian
00:36:16 – 00:36:27
So I have energy still for the way back, and then I stopped the way back. It was fine. Like ran in Dunkin Donuts and got a tea, took like 15 minutes to hit the road. So it was good. No problem.
Ian
00:36:27 – 00:36:37
That's great. Yep. The way home, I stopped in this, like, outlet mall thing that has a charging station. So it was there. I walked around that quick just to do something, come back out.
Ian
00:36:37 – 00:36:49
There's literally a SWAT team surrounding a band. Dogs are barking, like police dogs. It's like a whole situation. I don't know what was going on, but somebody was getting arrested for something. There was some kind of
Aaron
00:36:50 – 00:36:51
You didn't stay to watch?
Ian
00:36:52 – 00:37:04
I mean, though, it was kind of over when I came back out. It seemed like they had arrested whoever they were arresting, and they were, like, just securing the scene. Like, they were going through the van and stuff, but there wasn't didn't seem like there was any more action to be had. So So you just threw your
Aaron
00:37:04 – 00:37:06
discount merchandise in the truck and drove off,
Ian
00:37:06 – 00:37:13
I I didn't buy any discount merchandise, to be fair. But, yeah. Man. Just drove off. Just drove off.
Ian
00:37:14 – 00:37:20
I don't know. I haven't and then the other night, I had a yesterday, I went skiing and got stuck on a chairlift for 20 minutes, and it's cold up there.
Aaron
00:37:20 – 00:37:22
It's because skiing sucks.
Ian
00:37:22 – 00:37:27
So I drag everything. Everything. I'm thinking about you the whole time. I'm dragging them all the shit. Yep.
Ian
00:37:27 – 00:37:37
Like, at least the kids could carry their own stuff, so it's it's better. But still you're dragging heavy skis and all this stuff. This is where snowboarding is far superior, because it's just like you wear comfy boots and then the
Aaron
00:37:37 – 00:37:38
boots are great
Ian
00:37:38 – 00:37:53
for snowboarding. It's like, yes, I don't have all this other stuff. The skis, you have 2 poles and 2 skis and heavy terrible boots and all the stuff. So whatever. But I don't snowboard, so I get all my shit, dragging it around, whatever.
Ian
00:37:53 – 00:38:09
It was a nice little day at the mountain other than getting stuck in lift. It was that snowed, which is rare, and, yeah, it was good. That was a good day out in nature in the winter, which is nice. But, yeah. That's kinda been my action.
Ian
00:38:09 – 00:38:11
Not not as exciting as as your action.
Aaron
00:38:12 – 00:38:14
Yeah. I'll take your action over mine.
Ian
00:38:14 – 00:38:18
Okay. I get the kids scanned. When you drag before skiing, it's going to be awesome.
Aaron
00:38:18 – 00:38:25
I'm just I'm just telling you now, there's no chance. There's there's just no chance. I'm just not gonna do it. Neither will Jennifer. Jennifer just won't do it.
Ian
00:38:25 – 00:38:29
Does she ski? No. No. Okay. No.
Ian
00:38:29 – 00:38:31
Yeah. That hurts your odds too. Yeah. Poor kid.
Aaron
00:38:31 – 00:38:36
Living in Texas with 2 parents that don't really care to ski. Yeah. They these these poor kids. Yeah.
Ian
00:38:36 – 00:38:38
They're just not When they go to college, maybe they'll They'll
Aaron
00:38:38 – 00:38:39
go to college
Ian
00:38:39 – 00:38:39
and get some skiing.
Aaron
00:38:39 – 00:38:47
Their friends, and they'll be the bad ones just like I was the bad one, and it's like, it's fine. You still have fun. Doesn't matter.
Ian
00:38:47 – 00:38:49
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, man.
Aaron
00:38:49 – 00:38:51
Alright. You wanna talk once?
Ian
00:38:51 – 00:38:52
Sure.
Aaron
00:38:52 – 00:38:55
What do you think? They released it.
Ian
00:38:55 – 00:38:58
Good. Campfire. Exactly what I thought it would be. I don't know. Fun.
Ian
00:38:59 – 00:39:06
So it's not that exciting. It's like, I don't think anybody's gonna really, replace a real bird instance of Slack. Maybe a few people are gonna
Aaron
00:39:06 – 00:39:08
replace a real instance of Slack.
Ian
00:39:08 – 00:39:20
I just don't think a lot of people are gonna do that. I think some people are gonna replace it for things that they shouldn't have been paying Slack for to begin with, and some people are gonna you know, as far as I can like, 90% of the people I see talk about are literally just going through the code to see deal
Aaron
00:39:20 – 00:39:20
code, which
Ian
00:39:20 – 00:39:40
is all I, which is what I thought the majority of sales would be. And they seem to be that. And then, you know, there's some people who maybe were paying for slack for communities, which is a total rip off. And so, yes, maybe they'll replace it fine. I mean, I don't think like Salesforce is awake at night being like, oh man, this 299 with no support app is gonna like kill us.
Ian
00:39:40 – 00:40:01
Like, and then, yeah, I don't think any business people are ever gonna think about it. Like no regular business person's gonna be like, boy, let me see what alternatives are to Slack and come across this and be like, yeah, this is the thing I get to go to IT and beg them to install this thing. That's gotten no support and blah, blah. Like it's not, nobody wants that. It's not like people are buying as a business process tool.
Ian
00:40:01 – 00:40:07
So I think people who want free just go to Teams or whatever, like, since they're already paying Microsoft.
Aaron
00:40:08 – 00:40:18
Yeah. But Yeah. I don't know. I think it's kinda cool. It looks, you know, it looks a little base camp has that certain way of designing things that I don't super love.
Aaron
00:40:18 – 00:40:22
It always looks a little underdone or a
Ian
00:40:22 – 00:40:23
little They're designed. Yeah.
Aaron
00:40:23 – 00:40:32
Cartoony. Yeah. I don't I don't super love it, but I appreciate that they're doing something different. Same with the Cybertruck. Don't love the way it looks, but I'm glad somebody's trying something.
Aaron
00:40:33 – 00:40:42
But I think it's great. I think the way they've set it up is I think it's, I think it's has no email. It has no
Ian
00:40:42 – 00:40:43
right. I think
Aaron
00:40:43 – 00:41:07
it's a sequel light database. Yep. And so they've done a lot of things that are, like, dependency free, which I think is really interesting and helps their whole, like, you can self host this shit. Yeah. And I have seen, you know, not normal businesses, but communities, are a big one that have been like, yeah, we we're definitely gonna move to this because Slack is, you know, prohibitively expensive for our communities.
Aaron
00:41:07 – 00:41:10
Right. And I think that's fine.
Ian
00:41:10 – 00:41:15
Yeah. But I mean, you can also use Discord. You could have also used,
Aaron
00:41:16 – 00:41:17
have you used Discord?
Ian
00:41:17 – 00:41:21
Tusk or whatever. Whatever that was. The other one that's like a forum. Discuss
Aaron
00:41:21 – 00:41:25
is the, web based forum. Discord is the one for degenerate gamers. Yeah.
Ian
00:41:25 – 00:41:28
There we go. Right. Yeah. Discord. I like Discord.
Ian
00:41:28 – 00:41:29
I think Discord's alright.
Aaron
00:41:29 – 00:41:31
You don't like this? No. Discord's terrible.
Ian
00:41:31 – 00:41:33
Yeah. I don't think yeah. I think it's fine.
Aaron
00:41:34 – 00:41:42
Discord is is chaotic. There's you it's impossible to use. Really? Discord is Discord is Slack. No.
Aaron
00:41:42 – 00:41:45
It's not like Slack. It's way, way worse.
Ian
00:41:45 – 00:41:56
I mean, if you use it, I I if I I never use it beyond just, like, I'm in here asking a question or, like, I'm typing something just, like, into a chat box. Like, I'm not doing anything fancy, but paint the phone.
Aaron
00:41:56 – 00:42:00
No. It's terrible. I'm surprised. I think young people like Discord.
Ian
00:42:00 – 00:42:28
Yeah. If you're doing a community site, I feel like to not do it on Discord is actually probably not a good move overall because like that's where everybody else's community sites are. And now Yeah. I have to remember to go to your one slack alternative thing instead of just being in discord and seeing your icon there next to all the other icons of all the other communities I'm part of. So I feel like that's kind of a negative, pretty big negative, honestly, of, like, running a community site, on some off purpose server somewhere.
Ian
00:42:28 – 00:42:37
But Yeah. You know, obviously, it depends and, like, geeky tech people are a little bit different. Yeah. They're gonna go to that weirdo Slack because that's where people hang out, whatever. Fine.
Ian
00:42:37 – 00:42:52
But I don't know, like if you were doing a game game chat thing, but of course you're doing discord or even if you're doing like, even with random people, I feel like discord's gonna be better. They're more likely to already have it, blah blah blah. Like, it has a mobile app, which people like.
Aaron
00:42:52 – 00:42:58
Yeah. I'm curious. I'm curious when I'll get invited to my first weirdo Slack, my first campfire.
Ian
00:42:58 – 00:43:00
You're not going to? Not gonna You
Aaron
00:43:00 – 00:43:02
don't think so? No. Not gonna happen?
Ian
00:43:02 – 00:43:04
I don't think it happened. Maybe.
Aaron
00:43:05 – 00:43:06
I don't know.
Ian
00:43:06 – 00:43:08
Has it happened yet?
Aaron
00:43:08 – 00:43:11
Hasn't happened yet. I think woah.
Ian
00:43:11 – 00:43:17
People are just in there just looking at DHHS code, man. They're not they're not they're not running things on this.
Aaron
00:43:17 – 00:43:25
I think conferences could could do it. It could be good for conferences to spin up something and have a bunch of people join and then and then tear it back down.
Ian
00:43:26 – 00:43:35
I don't know. I mean, that's community moderation tools. Like, it's got obviously no moderation tools. Like, I don't know. It's okay, I guess.
Aaron
00:43:36 – 00:43:37
You just You know, it's pretty
Ian
00:43:37 – 00:43:38
bare bones. You're
Aaron
00:43:38 – 00:43:40
so down on it.
Ian
00:43:40 – 00:43:55
I'm not I'm not down on it, but I'm it just is what it is. Right? Like, I think it's not I think it their the home page is still one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen compared to what they shipped. Like it has nothing at all to do with what they shipped. It's totally wrong still in everything they said, what they shipped doesn't make it right.
Ian
00:43:55 – 00:44:09
It's still wrong and whatever. I don't think you're gonna see like, oh man, this thing, maybe I'll be wrong. Who knows? I just don't think you're gonna be like, oh, every slack community is now one of these things. I and it's also inevitable that the ones that go on it are gonna someday be like, yeah.
Ian
00:44:09 – 00:44:22
You know what? With the guy who maintained the server, he's gone, and nobody knows how to log in to the server. And now what do we do? Oh, we're just gonna move to Discord because that's the obvious thing to do. Like, I I don't know.
Ian
00:44:22 – 00:44:35
I just think, like, that's like we've we know how this works. We've seen on premise software. Like, we know we know the answers. It's like people have pretending that they forgot. See, people out there are talking about, like, this is some revolution.
Ian
00:44:35 – 00:44:53
Like, we this is, like, full old manuals at cloud, I guess, but like, we know what happens. People don't want to run their own servers. They don't want to, like, are the can you come up with some niches that want to? Yes, you can. Can you tell me how your use case is special flower and you're gonna take care of it like little baby?
Ian
00:44:53 – 00:45:02
Fine. Great. But, like, otherwise, nobody wants to do that. It's terrible. Everybody knows it's terrible.
Aaron
00:45:02 – 00:45:03
Oh, that's what I was like.
Ian
00:45:03 – 00:45:19
Everybody's gone who's a coder has gone in and looked at that server that you have in forge. You don't even remember why you spun it up. It's it fully named, and you're like, it's 6 PHP versions old, and it's Laravel 5. And you're like, what the hell am I gonna do with this thing? Like, it's the same exact thing.
Ian
00:45:19 – 00:45:37
Like, nobody's gonna wanna deal with this to save no money if you use Discord or a few bucks if you use Slack when you already can use Teams for free probably anyway. Like, so just a weird value proposition. That's fine. And some people will use it, and that's great. I'm not down on it.
Ian
00:45:37 – 00:45:42
Fine. But, like, it's not revolutionizing anything. It's not replacing fun.
Aaron
00:45:42 – 00:45:46
Is so is that the is that the sticky wicket for you? They claim they're revolutionizing
Ian
00:45:47 – 00:45:48
Yes. Of Of course. Yeah.
Aaron
00:45:48 – 00:45:48
They're like
Ian
00:45:48 – 00:45:54
we're just like, hey. We've had some time, and we thought this would be cool. Fine.
Aaron
00:45:54 – 00:45:59
But you think that the claiming that it's a movement, that's
Ian
00:45:59 – 00:46:06
the problem. To make everything a movement. Right? Like, they always have to make everything's a movement. Like, we can't just do this thing and, like, we do it because it's right for us.
Ian
00:46:06 – 00:46:22
It's like, no, we're doing this thing. Everybody should do this thing. This is the way the world is going when it's obviously not the way the world's going. It's just it's never been a worst time to host your own server. Like, literally, I guess the worst time ever.
Ian
00:46:22 – 00:46:38
And tomorrow is worse than today. Every day is worse than yesterday in terms of hosting your own servers. Like it's, there's just more attack vectors than ever. There's more people who can attack you than ever. There's more automation in attacking you than ever.
Ian
00:46:38 – 00:47:16
There's more like solidification of what people should do and why they should attack you to steal money from you or to ransom where you are, all these things. It's all bad. And that, like and this we will lead into a thing that happened to me this week where we signed up for a service. We point a c name at their, you know, some URL they gave us and whatever we stopped using the service forever ago They'll cut the story short. It's more complicated than this, but basically they lost control that domain and somebody bought that domain essentially and redirected this subdomain.
Ian
00:47:16 – 00:47:34
We had pointed at them to some bad site where you download stuff. Really? It wasn't attack to us. It was like, it was more at this original service where, had a lot of people pointing inbound to it with sub domains from good domains. And they realized that they could redirect those and point them at whatever they want.
Ian
00:47:34 – 00:48:13
So they pointed them at, you know, some hacky download stuff. Smart. And Google webmaster tools notified us that like, hey, Don't you know, URL on your site is pointing to malicious stuff. Maybe you've been hacked or whatever, which, you know, you should all sign up for Google Webmaster Tools if you haven't, because it actually does do some nice things like that even though it's very googly and they don't help you and it's kinda horrible and the actual implementation, but ultimately it did tell us about this. So yeah, there's just like you know, so whatever I just I you know removed the dns entry and fixed it and that was that but still like there's just people looking to do shady stuff all the time.
Ian
00:48:13 – 00:48:26
And, why do you wanna be responsible for protecting anything from the shady people? Like I want the lowest I I do it for our customers, and that's it. And I don't wanna do any more than that. The not I don't wanna do any more at all. Like, that's the most I wanna do.
Ian
00:48:26 – 00:48:34
And I don't even wanna do that, but I definitely don't wanna do like, I have a chat server somewhere that I'm responsible for securing. The past.
Aaron
00:48:34 – 00:48:42
I saw you I saw you talk in your own your own book again when DHH and crew got a a DDoS attack, and they put Cloudflare in front of
Ian
00:48:42 – 00:48:43
it. Cloudflare.
Aaron
00:48:44 – 00:48:53
And you you quote you quote tweeted and said everyone should use Cloudflare for everything. And I almost responded and said, you should disclose that you're an investor in Cloudflare.
Ian
00:48:54 – 00:49:00
I love Cloudflare. Cloudflare. Use it. It's the best. They'd save DHH.
Ian
00:49:00 – 00:49:17
If it gets DHH doesn't wanna run anything on the Internet anymore and everything's offline, he manages everything himself and his little whatever from Malibu or whatever, even he uses Cloudflare. So just go use Cloudflare. It's so much better. It's amazing. DJ's actually tweeted at me.
Ian
00:49:17 – 00:49:20
I don't know if you saw that. He he was, like, fumpy with me. He was fumpy with me.
Aaron
00:49:20 – 00:49:21
I'm shocked.
Ian
00:49:21 – 00:49:44
I thought I know. And I didn't get all into it with him, whatever, but, like, he thought I was saying well, I thought he was saying, and I think he was saying this, but whatever. Because I had said something in my quote tweet about like, they're going to, like, ramp up servers with their host or whatever. And everybody says to me, like, that's stupid. You don't ramp up servers for dial service tech, which yes, I know.
Aaron
00:49:44 – 00:49:45
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Ian
00:49:45 – 00:50:02
But that's what he said. He said that they were going to their their colo provider and getting their help, which a colo provider is not gonna do diddly swap for your DDoS attack. Like, that's not what they do. Like Correct. They might have some little half ass load balanced firewall thing, but that's not gonna do anything.
Ian
00:50:02 – 00:50:11
So I assumed he was going to get more servers, which I thought was weird, but that's what he said. So whatever. So then he was like, I didn't you know, whatever. That's stupid. We wouldn't do that.
Ian
00:50:11 – 00:50:20
I'm fine. Like, so I didn't go back and forth with them on it, but I get that you don't that's not what you do for DDoS. What you do is you get Cloudflare, which is what he did, which is great.
Aaron
00:50:21 – 00:50:25
I can't believe I missed the the e n d h h combo.
Ian
00:50:25 – 00:50:26
Yeah. We had a little combo.
Aaron
00:50:27 – 00:50:29
Well, that's exciting. We should have him on the show.
Ian
00:50:29 – 00:50:32
Yeah. I guess we should someday. That would be kind of fun.
Aaron
00:50:32 – 00:50:35
That would are you kidding me? That would be so much fun.
Ian
00:50:35 – 00:50:44
That would be fun. Have DHH on here. I wrote Jason Freed. Jason Freed. I I generally agree with Jason Freed.
Ian
00:50:45 – 00:50:55
DHH, he's a little he's a little much. He's, like, always, like, you know, just always selling. But maybe someday. Maybe someday.
Aaron
00:50:55 – 00:50:57
Maybe someday. Once once we're bigger.
Ian
00:50:57 – 00:51:05
Once we're bigger. We gotta be big enough. We gotta we gotta approach him, mano a mano. We gotta be equals. Yeah.
Ian
00:51:05 – 00:51:06
We'll get there.
Aaron
00:51:07 – 00:51:08
Alright. Anything else?
Ian
00:51:09 – 00:51:14
No. I'm good. It was a a not a barely technical. So people
Aaron
00:51:14 – 00:51:15
Barely technical.
Ian
00:51:15 – 00:51:33
Barely technical. Alright. Thanks everybody. Aaron get back to these kids here. So follow us on mostlytechnical.com, mostlytechpod on Twitter, mostly technical podcast atgmail, and, we will be back to you soonish, next week or 2.
Ian
00:51:33 – 00:51:36
Kinda how things are going. Talk to you soon. See you.
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