Episode

Mostly Technical · Feb 27, 2024

Careful, Careful!

Show notes

Ian & Aaron discuss morning people, PHP/Laravel origin stories, using ChatGPT to write blog posts, Diet Coke vs. Coke Zero, & more.

Sponsored by LaraJobs & Screencasting.com.

Sent questions or feedback to mostlytechnicalpodcast@gmail.com.

Transcript
00:01

Ian

Hello?

00:03

Aaron

What's a good word, Ian? See, you're frozen. You don't know what to do.

00:10

Ian

I know. It's great.

00:11

Aaron

The word is

00:12

Ian

good. The word is good. I woke up early this morning. What's your deal with waking up early? Do you like to waking up early?

00:22

Aaron

Well, we can get to me in a second. What are you talking?

00:25

Ian

Okay. So woke up around 3 o'clock. Real early.

00:31

Aaron

No. No. No. That's not early. That's crazy.

00:34

Ian

That's overnight?

00:36

Aaron

Yeah. That's still the middle of the night.

00:38

Ian

Woke up. I never knew this either. Woke up, couldn't get back to sleep. Doing the towel. Doing the towel.

00:46

I always get, I could always go back to sleep too. Like, it's not uncommon. I wake up quickly, but then I always go right back to sleep. Could not get back to sleep. So I, you know, threw in the towel.

00:56

I went downstairs, did a workout for, like, an hour. Came upstairs, made some eggs, watched as the kids got up and, you know, mosey down all delirious. It was interesting. It was, like, a whole different view on the day. I'm, like, never up that early in the day, like, watching the whole morning unfold.

01:18

So it was fascinating.

01:19

Aaron

Gosh. 3 AM is unbelievable.

01:23

Ian

I know. I couldn't get back to sleep. I took a shower. Ready to hit it hard. So far, I'm okay.

01:29

I I'm expecting that. Yeah. I mean,

01:30

Aaron

it's something It's 10 AM your time, so talk talk to me at 2 PM. Okay. So

01:36

Ian

Could you get ugly?

01:38

Aaron

This this is like, this is a coincidence. This is a happenstance. Stance.

01:41

Ian

Mhmm.

01:41

Aaron

Are you gonna are you gonna make it? Are you gonna make it a 3 AM? Are you gonna 3 AM guy now?

01:46

Ian

No. I can't be a 3 AM guy, but I am tempted to become a morning guy, which I'm very much not a morning guy. But

01:53

Aaron

Morning guys

01:53

Ian

are the worst. It is interesting. Well, this is part of it. It's like morning people are horrible. Hate morning people.

01:58

Hate them. But it is, like, interesting to, like, start your day so early.

02:04

Aaron

You know, the worst, you know, the worst thing in the world is

02:07

Ian

what's that?

02:07

Aaron

I was I tried to be a morning guy for a while, and it was better. It was just better. Everything

02:13

Ian

was better. Everything's better.

02:14

Aaron

I was so mad about it. Yeah. And I actually I actually became full morning guy and that I tweeted about it, which is just like

02:21

Ian

Oh, you committed.

02:22

Aaron

You hate to do that. Yeah.

02:24

Ian

Right. But then you gave it up.

02:26

Aaron

Then I gave it up

02:27

Ian

for sure.

02:28

Aaron

Yeah. Then stuff stuff happened, then I gave it up.

02:31

Ian

I love being up at night. It's like it's quiet. I can, like, do some work or whatever I wanna do, but then I just discovered it's quiet in the morning. If you're up early It

02:39

Aaron

is quiet in the morning.

02:40

Ian

Quiet in the morning Yep.

02:41

Aaron

Yep. Which is

02:42

Ian

sort of crazy. I didn't even who who would have known?

02:45

Aaron

It feels so much less degenerate to be up in the morning. Way less degenerate,

02:48

Ian

which is what I don't like about it, though, to be honest. Honest. I'm like, a little bit It's

02:52

Aaron

too clean. Yeah.

02:53

Ian

Yeah. I'm not, like, a big degenerate, but, like, a little little just a little dirt. And if you're up at night, that's when, you know, nothing good happens after midnight and all that. I like to be up in that hour. When you're up at 6 AM or 5:30 and you're hitting it hard, that's, like, that's clean living right there.

03:08

It might be too clean. Yeah. But Yeah. It's hard to eat a bag and

03:11

Aaron

cheese at 5:30 in the morning, you know?

03:13

Ian

Yeah. Exactly.

03:14

Aaron

So here's here's the here's the other thing, though, that's hard about trying to be a morning guy. It's easy to miss the morning. Like, you can just keep staying up. Right? You could just stay up and stay up and stay up.

03:27

Right. But if you like, if you're, like, weak of will or or, you know, weak spirited person, someone who wears glasses, for example, then you can just hit snooze. You just hit snooze, and it's over. Like, your big miracle morning that you were gonna get all the stuff done that you saved for the morning, it's over.

03:46

Ian

Well, this is a fascinating part of what I experienced this morning because I was just, like, awake at 3 o'clock, and I was just ready to go. Yeah. So I had a whole different outlook versus the, like, you have the alarm, you're forced up, you're all groggy and crappy. And, like, you know, that's like a whole different morning experience that I do not like. No.

04:04

But this, like, you just pop up and you're ready to go. Well, it's a little different.

04:08

Aaron

So how much how much would you pay per month? How much would you pay per month to wake up at 5 AM every day feeling that way? Feeling like, oh, let's go, baby.

04:22

Ian

Man, you know, it's so hard because, like, what the the trade offs to the thing. It's like, especially, like, there's some things I like to do at night. Like, last night, I was watching Messi. It was messy night. Drinking cheap wine.

04:34

Aaron

The boss restricted you.

04:36

Ian

You're on Twitter watching out.

04:37

Aaron

Hey. I follow you.

04:38

Ian

You know what's up. So I'm drinking the cheap wine. I'm watching messy. He was on the West Coast, so it didn't end till, like, midnight or whatever it was. Mhmm.

04:46

And so I'm already, like, like so now that's already too late. If I'm gonna be wake up at 5 AM, guy, like, can I go to bed at 12 30 or 1? Like, that's not sustainable.

04:55

Aaron

Okay.

04:55

Ian

Yeah. So I'm gonna have to go to bed at least by, like, 11. Mhmm. I mean, 6 I can survive on 6 hours, but I don't know.

05:01

Aaron

Wait. We'll get back to Fantasyland in a second. Did you go to bed at 12 buzzed and woke up at 3 and did

05:07

Ian

a workout? Yeah. Yeah.

05:08

Aaron

Dude, you are going to

05:09

Ian

It's crazy.

05:10

Aaron

Die. I cannot wait for next week. You have to write down exactly how today goes because next week's podcast is gonna be hysterical.

05:17

Ian

I have to say, I wasn't, I wasn't really that hammered Well, I wasn't like, oh, man. I was drunk, and I, like, rolled out of bed and did my workout. I was actually I was mostly fine. I was like, you know, because I started drinking kinda early. So then I was actually done with the cheap wine by, like, 9, I'd say, or 9:30.

05:35

And then so I had, like, another 2 or 3 hours there to let it wind,

05:40

Aaron

wind down. Good planning.

05:41

Ian

Yeah. It was alright. What I can't see the going to the oh, you're good.

05:46

Aaron

Let's say midnight's your cutoff. You can wake up at 5 feeling like inspired, rested, ready to go. What are you paying for that?

05:55

Ian

Well, that's like you're changing my whole identity here. So it's like, do I wanna change my identity? But if I want to change my

06:01

Aaron

identity I don't want the

06:02

Ian

goods. I don't want the

06:03

Aaron

goods. You don't have to

06:04

Ian

pay it all. Think let's say, like, if it turns out to be very productive, like if, if I go through the rest of this day, right. And I've been very productive this morning before we got on here, I've been very productive all morning. That holds I mean, it's gotta be worth what? Like, $1,000 a month.

06:20

Right? It's gotta be worth something.

06:21

Aaron

Easy. And if you change if you change the parameters to as long as you're in bed by 12, you wake up at 5 feeling fully rested.

06:29

Ian

I mean, fully rested is huge thing. Yeah.

06:32

Aaron

It's huge. Right. I'm paying so much for it. To be able to sleep 5 hours a night and wake up fully rested, I'm paying a lot for that.

06:38

Ian

You're actually paying for that right now.

06:40

Aaron

I wish I could pay for that right

06:42

Ian

now. Yeah. Yeah.

06:45

Aaron

My kingdom my kingdom to wake up feeling rested.

06:48

Ian

You know what? This is like a thing. I get thrown off these things. Does this happen to you? So this is making me think of another thing.

06:55

So like with working out, like I'm I'm good about the working out I'll work out 3 or 4 days a week and then I'll get sick or I'll go on a business trip or whatever, or we go on vacation and then that's it. Like the working out stops. And once I'm out of the rhythm, I don't work out again for, you know, months. And then tell him, like, I really gotta get back into it. Like, I totally forgot about it.

07:17

That's how I feel like this would be. See, that's like, I I can wake up early, but I'm gonna go play poker 1. I'm gonna play poker before 4 AM. And then obviously, I'm not getting up at 5 AM. I'm getting up at 10 AM.

07:27

And then I'm just off of it. And I'm, like, back to staying up late, and that's the I'm night owl again. So I don't know. Yes. Maybe that's the best

07:35

Aaron

That that's exactly how I am. We can adjust the magical parameters to to account for that, but that's exactly how I am with with regard to, like, returning text messages or emails or DMs. Like, it goes,

07:50

Ian

you know,

07:50

Aaron

I don't do it. I don't do it for a day, and then I'm like, oh, man. I feel bad. I really gotta have, like, a, you know, good response. Bitty.

08:01

Shoot. Missed that one. Yep. I really did like that guy.

08:06

Ian

Yep. Yeah. Yep. I well, I guess I don't know. Careful.

08:11

Careful. Mostly known you in this phase. You know, I've known you best in this phase where you have many children.

08:18

Aaron

Yes.

08:19

Ian

But you tend to be well in control of your messaging. Like, like, when I message you, like, I don't just get a message back right away. Like, you're, like, offline or you're you're disconnected, and then you have a time slot where you are writing people back is the impression I get.

08:35

Aaron

That is the reality. Yes.

08:36

Ian

Yeah. Yeah.

08:37

Aaron

Yeah. Yeah. It's hard. It's hard because if, you know, I'm doing something and I read a message and then forget about it, that's where that's where I get in trouble of, like, oh, yeah. I did read a message 3 days ago from that person.

08:53

And so I really try not to, like, even read the messages until which is another problem is that they get too many messages. I'm like, I can't open that. I can't open the Twitter DMs. I'm just gonna stay on the Twitter timeline. But yeah, then I try to like and it's it's been real hard recently because I typically do the responding when I'm at the computer.

09:14

And like we talked about, I haven't been at the computer Right. Forever. And so I'm just, like, not responding or trying to respond on the go, but I do I do specifically sit down and, like, alright. I'm gonna open either Telegram or Twitter DMs and, like, respond to everyone right now.

09:30

Ian

Go through. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not, I'm not good about that.

09:33

I should get better about that. Yeah. I don't know. Modern society. Right?

09:37

Like you're just all this, the information you're just used to sucking it in and spitting it out.

09:42

Aaron

Being being reachable is not great. I wish I was unreachable.

09:45

Ian

Yeah. You are sort of unreachable now. Like, semi, you're you're having a little reachability break now, or is it not

09:51

Aaron

really Yeah.

09:52

Ian

It's sort of

09:52

Aaron

a reachability crisis. I mean, people can still reach me. I just don't respond, which is the problem.

09:58

Ian

You need a a BA. Right? Gotta get a I do need a BA.

10:01

Aaron

Who who

10:01

Ian

needs your stuff and I know. Filters it and gives you the important stuff and all that.

10:06

Aaron

Yes. I've been trying to hire a VA forever.

10:09

Ian

Got it.

10:10

Aaron

I hired 1 I hired 1 a couple months ago from the Philippines using Support Shepherd, which is, like a outsource agency. And she was the worst. She was totally scamming me for sure. 100%. Yeah.

10:26

Like, totally lying about everything.

10:28

Ian

Wow.

10:29

Aaron

Like, one time we got on a call and something I had asked her to do, I was watching the shared doc right before the call, and she was copying and pasting into the shared doc of everything that I had asked her to do, and you could tell she was pasting from, like, just some other website. And I was like, hey. Did you actually spend time doing this or did you just copy and paste? And that's the day that I had to let her go. So it you know, it's not it's not easy finding a VA.

10:57

Ian

No. I think we talked about this maybe on here before, but my whole philosophy is they have to be in person. Like, there's just too many things I need them to do in my local life that I feel like it's not worth it if they're not physically here where I can send them to do things Yeah. That I need done. Like You don't

11:11

Aaron

need a b a. You need an a. Yeah.

11:13

Ian

There's gotta be a better way to say that. Yeah. Yeah.

11:15

Aaron

You just need an assistant. Yeah.

11:16

Ian

Right. Executive assistant. Yeah. That's what they were talking about. In the day.

11:20

Yeah. Yeah. The executive assistant. Alright. I don't know.

11:26

Do we have anything else on that?

11:28

Aaron

I woke up today. I woke up today, local time, 8:47 AM.

11:34

Ian

8:47 AM. Wow.

11:36

Aaron

Which is why this 9 o'clock got pushed a little bit.

11:39

Ian

Because I also woke up fall asleep.

11:41

Aaron

Yeah. I also woke up local time 4 AM to go soothe 2 crying babies.

11:46

Ian

Mhmm.

11:46

Aaron

So the night nurse is gone, so it's just us now.

11:50

Ian

Oh, wow. You're you're not paying

11:52

Aaron

for for sleep anymore. No respites. It's just us forever. For 18 more years. It's just us.

11:58

Yeah. So, yeah, this morning I went in and they were doing the whole hysterical, let's cry alternating cycles.

12:10

Ian

That's fun.

12:11

Aaron

Here comes dad. Let's set him up. So, yeah, I was in there from probably 4:30 to 6:30 and then got back in bed at 6:45 and slept till 8:45.

12:24

Ian

Do they get each other going? Like, get like, is you get the one to sleep and the other one's still crying, wakes up the one you got to sleep, or does that kinda work itself too?

12:34

Aaron

These 2, it actually does seem a little bit like that.

12:37

Ian

The

12:37

Aaron

first two, it was not that way at all. These 2, it does seem like if if the girl is crying, the boy wakes up a little more easily. But hopefully that will subside because they're going to be in the same room for, you know, ever. Yeah. So hopefully they'll figure that out pretty quickly.

12:56

That's an interesting question is what age do we switch from twin rooms to gender rooms, you know?

13:01

Ian

Yeah. I think twin twins at the whole it's like a different rule set there. It is. You can just kinda go, like, me or forever. I feel like I've known some twins that are, like they were pretty old when they did the switch.

13:13

Yeah, although you cut the 2 sets So I guess like that I know I guess you and they're close in age. I guess

13:18

Aaron

they are

13:18

Ian

could even do it earlier I know. Like, sort of a little different scenario there.

13:24

Aaron

I know. It'll be interesting. It'll be up to them, of course, but it'll be it'll be interesting to see when they start agitating for, like, I wanna be in a room with all girls and

13:32

Ian

all boys. Yeah. Or just I mean, well, then you're gonna have this whole dynamic where the 2 twins are, like, are they closer with the twin?

13:40

Aaron

I know.

13:40

Ian

You know? And maybe they don't wanna be apart from the twin.

13:43

Aaron

I know.

13:44

Ian

They don't care about the gender stuff. They're like, no. I wanna be with my twin. Yeah. That's like a whole dynamic.

13:49

Aaron

Crazy. The dynamics are crazy. That's what I'm trying to get paid. Do you see my tweet about that? I'm trying to get paid for this.

13:54

Ian

Oh, yes, I did. There's got

13:56

Aaron

to be a way that I can capitalize on this.

13:58

Ian

Yeah. Probably tell you.

13:59

Aaron

Show Harvard Longitudinal Studies, something like this is weird and people love weird stuff. So how do I get paid for this?

14:08

Ian

I feel like, you need one more set. I feel like if you had one more set Wow. Then then you could definitely pull it off. I feel like 4 with 2 sets of twins with only 4 kids, not quite radical enough. But if you had 3 sets of twins and all of them were like 2 years apart, year and a half apart, I feel like that's something.

14:26

Now now you can go to HBO or lifetime, probably more likely. It was a good it was a good idea. I'll have

14:31

Aaron

to make my money the old fashioned way,

14:33

Ian

though. That's a bummer. Nothing worse than making money the old fashioned way. It's so much better making money other ways.

14:39

Aaron

Nothing worse

14:40

Ian

than now. Some money. Oh, we're getting money. Money for you know, finding money.

14:46

Aaron

Windfall? I would take a windfall.

14:47

Ian

Windfall? Who doesn't love a windfall? When you have to, like, grind every day for years. To me, it's fine.

14:53

Aaron

But worse. Like idiots.

14:55

Ian

Yeah. I feel like it I do feel like we're doing something stupid. That's how I feel every time I get any kind of spam or, like, text message spam or things like that. I'm like, I'm pretty smart. Feel like I could do this better than these people are doing this and make a lot more money doing it than they're doing.

15:11

Yeah. Because it's, like, some things are just obvious that they're doing wrong, and I feel like I could fix it and make this bad spammy stuff better and more, you know, close more deals, so to speak, gotten the spam. Like, why are we not doing that? We gotta go black hat.

15:26

Aaron

I I think it when I hear that, like, oh, yeah. My, you know, my buddy just sold his landscaping business for 7,000,000.

15:34

Ian

Right.

15:34

Aaron

And I'm like, what what what technology enabled that? And they're like, no. No. No. No.

15:39

Landscaping. They mow grass.

15:41

Ian

Shit.

15:43

Aaron

Bamboozled again. Or, like, fence builders. Fence builders. They make a ton of money. And they drive trucks that are bigger than houses.

15:53

They drive, like, f 4 fifties, and they climb out of them in their fancy boots, and they're just here to go. Ladder. Yeah. I'm like, what what am I doing wrong? It's a 2016 4 Runner, but come on, man.

16:03

Yeah. I don't know.

16:05

Ian

And they don't have a market. Every real world business you ever talk to have no idea about marketing. No idea about branding.

16:10

Aaron

No idea.

16:10

Ian

Like, I the way I feel, I'm on, like, Twitter and, like, you all these guru types where, like, I'm doing everything perfect. Everything's wonderful. It's all amazing. Right? Like, that's how I would be to them because they don't know I have no idea what's going on.

16:23

Yes. Like, I'm some kinda alien genius life form compared to how they think about branding and marketing stuff. And it's like, well, if we just took what we know and Yep. Did it in my town, like, I could just be the dominant force here in the men's building business or whatever. You could use the way that the way that you find

16:41

Aaron

a fence builder is you find a fence and you call the number that's on the fence, and the owner answers. And he's like, well, I don't know. Text text me your details. I'll see if I can come out.

16:53

Ian

You know, like Right. They're they're always inconvenienced. They're always inconvenient that

16:56

Aaron

you did the I'm sorry. I called you, but is there a way that I could get a fence built? We'll see.

17:03

Ian

It's a 100% of the time. That that interaction is always that way. Or the plumber.

17:07

Aaron

The plumber.

17:08

Ian

We gotta charge you $200 just to come out, and then, yeah, I guess we can do it. Blah blah blah. It's like a it's a pain in the butt.

17:16

Aaron

The toilet's leaking. Wow. What'd you do?

17:19

Ian

I I

17:19

Aaron

didn't do anything, man. The toilet's just leaking.

17:23

Ian

Man, we're wasting wasting our lives on the Internet. We are. We thought it was genius, but

17:27

Aaron

We could be out there doing manual labor, and we're in here, like, a couple of dilettantes.

17:32

Ian

We're trapped in here. Yeah. Could be out there.

17:35

Aaron

Typing on our little screens.

17:38

Ian

Man. Oh, geez. We're not gonna follow-up. Let's see. Yeah.

17:42

We got lots of follow ups. So

17:43

Aaron

Lots of follow-up.

17:44

Ian

We're working from the top here, I guess. Right? What do we got here?

17:49

Aaron

John follow-up on the, on the coffee soda conversation.

17:54

Ian

Yeah. And I guess we and then Taylor chimed in on that too. I don't

17:57

Aaron

think it was Yeah. I don't

17:58

Ian

know if it was directly to us, but it was in the same

18:00

Aaron

vein. Sauce.

18:04

Ian

So yeah. So John Newmaker, he goes half cap, full cap, like half and half, I guess. Decaf and full cap. What so where are you on that, I guess, before we even get too deep this? Where are you?

18:17

Aaron

I thought you went

18:18

Ian

for coffee with somebody, so it sounds like you're not totally off.

18:21

Aaron

I'm not totally off.

18:22

Ian

That was a decaf. I'll have you know. That was decaf? Okay. That

18:24

Aaron

was decaf.

18:25

Ian

Very nice.

18:25

Aaron

That was decaf. So that still fits in with with my my budgeted allowance. So I'm still 1 to 2 half calf in the morning here at home. And then just to feel a little bit of god's son on my face, I get out

18:39

Ian

of the

18:39

Aaron

house and go get go get my decaf.

18:42

Ian

You addicts are too much, I'm telling

18:44

Aaron

you. Yeah. It's it's truly a thing. So this feedback from from John Newnemaker was to get cometier decaf, which apparently is the best kind of decaf, and it comes in, like, frozen pucks. There are some pictures in the thread.

19:01

Cool. But it comes in frozen pucks, and he just uses 8 ounces of hot water, and you have coffee, which is Oh,

19:07

Ian

frozen puck. Look at this thing. Okay. I didn't realize this was the Yeah. He's got

19:11

Aaron

a whole drawer full of it.

19:13

Ian

A frozen puck of coffee.

19:16

Aaron

I gotta be honest. I don't understand the frozen part. They look like Keurig pods, like Keurig, plastic things. But they're yeah. They're totally frozen.

19:25

Ian

You put them in hot water or something like that? Is that what goes on there? Yeah. 8 ounces of hot water and milk, and you have coffee. Right?

19:35

I don't know about this.

19:37

Aaron

I I love coffee scheme.

19:38

Ian

Right? Don't you love a like, when I was drinking coffee, I was like, Arrow Cross. Yeah. They're like, yeah. We we talk we love schemes, and a coffee scheme is one of the best scheme.

19:45

Aaron

Coffee scheme is a scheme. It's an artisanal scheme. Here's the problem

19:48

Ian

with my tea. Butter in your coffee

19:50

Aaron

or whatever. What's the commentier? Is I'm am I am I using a teapot now? How am I getting 8 ounces of hot water?

19:56

Ian

Yeah. You gotta have a kettle. You gotta have electric kettle. That's the game with tea. If you're gonna get into the tea game, you need an electric kettle.

20:02

And I would suggest getting a good one. I've had the bad ones. The good one's better.

20:06

Aaron

I do love accoutrements, but I don't know if I'm gonna become a tea guy enough to like get it an electric kettle. So anyway, that's, that's a new to maker's comment is check out the commentier, which looks like d to c, good branding, you know, all clean, that kind of stuff. So

20:25

Ian

to c. That's another thing I feel like wouldn't mind doing.

20:28

Aaron

Yeah. Although I hear I hear horror stories on Twitter of of d to c margins, shipping, returns. It does seem like the margins are pretty rough.

20:39

Ian

Everybody thinks they're gonna be the, the shaver people, but Yeah.

20:42

Aaron

It

20:43

Ian

doesn't always work out that way.

20:44

Aaron

Yeah. So next one down, drew bread vic hits this the Zevia soda. We got a couple of replies about Zevia.

20:53

Ian

Never even heard of this. I have no idea what it is.

20:56

Aaron

It's because off brand sodas suck as a rule.

20:59

Ian

Right. So,

21:01

Aaron

yes, that's like you go to you go to a restaurant and you're like, I'll have a diet Coke. You're like, actually, we have main root soda. They get you a diet main root cola. And I'm like, no, Give me Diet Coke.

21:13

Ian

Even worse, they say they have Pepsi, and you're like,

21:15

Aaron

oh, that's embarrassing.

21:16

Ian

Yeah. It doesn't Okay. Well hate Pepsi.

21:17

Aaron

I have I have monopoly money. Same same idea.

21:21

Ian

What's a those look like a Coke 0

21:23

Aaron

Yeah.

21:24

Ian

Like thing.

21:25

Aaron

Yeah. Coke 0 like thing. I, I picked up some some zevia. I went to the local Sprouts next to the apartment studio, picked up some zevia.

21:34

Ian

Don't even know what that is.

21:36

Aaron

Aggressively average cola. I'll be honest.

21:39

Ian

What you would have expected?

21:41

Aaron

Here's my problem, I think. I don't like regular Coke.

21:46

Ian

Mhmm. I like That's weird.

21:48

Aaron

Diet Coke. Mhmm. And so all these cola replacements generation. Yeah. All these cola replacements are like, we're almost Coke.

21:57

And I'm like, I don't like Coke. And so I think what I like is maybe aspartame.

22:03

Ian

Right. I hate aspartame. See, I can't. Anytime I taste it anything, I love it. It's gross.

22:10

I hate everything about it. Good. I just want to, like, sugar. I want the real sugar. Oh, how can the aspartoutines so bad?

22:16

Aaron

It's so good, and it's so good for you. It, like, makes you forget stuff. You're like, I don't remember anything. No. Yeah.

22:23

Ian

Definitely not good for you.

22:24

Aaron

So, Stevia, thanks thanks for the feedback, Drew. It was, it is I will say it, like, is the only thing that can scratch that itch because it is, you know, 0 caffeine, 0 sugar, actually clean, you know, whatever. But frankly, I may I'm I would be more open to trying Coke, diet caffeine free diet Coke, which is basically just like dirty water. I think I would do that before Zevia. So

22:55

Ian

Isn't that Coke 0, or is Coke 0 something else?

22:58

Aaron

Coke 0? Here's the thing. Okay.

23:01

Ian

I'm not up on all my different Cokes.

23:02

Aaron

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So there's Coke. You know Coke.

23:05

Mhmm. There's Coke. Yeah.

23:06

Ian

I drink a lot of Coke

23:08

Aaron

in my day. Yeah.

23:09

Ian

Same page there. Then there's Diet Coke, which is,

23:11

Aaron

like, fundamentally different, tastes completely different.

23:15

Ian

No sugar.

23:16

Aaron

No sugar, tons of aspartame

23:19

Ian

Whatever is in there. Right?

23:20

Aaron

Fan. Right. Then they were like, oh, wow. People that love Coke want a lower calorie, like, better version of Coke, and that is Coke 0. Oh.

23:33

Where where

23:33

Ian

still has caffeine.

23:35

Aaron

It still has caffeine, and and and it still tastes a lot like Coke.

23:40

Ian

Closer to Coke.

23:41

Aaron

It is so much closer. So people are always like, try Coke 0. And I'm like, no, it tastes like Coke. If I wanted a 0, I would do Doctor Pepper 10,

23:49

Ian

which, you

23:50

Aaron

know, 10 and 0 were not the same number, but they're close

23:52

Ian

close enough.

23:53

Aaron

Yeah. Because I don't like diet Doctor. Pepper. I like regular Doctor. Pepper and Diet Coke.

24:01

Yeah.

24:02

Ian

Well, I'm fascinated by this whole drinking soda thing in general. Because to me, I don't know if it's like a northeast thing. Maybe there's a little regional difference here, or maybe I'm just not in those circles. But to me, drinking soda is pretty much, like, in the same ballpark as, like, smoking cigarettes. Like, I don't see people smoking cigarettes, and I don't see people

24:20

Aaron

drinking soda. James Dean then. If it's smoking cigarettes, I'm the coolest guy that ever lived.

24:25

Ian

Like, I don't see people like, I don't do either one, and I don't see people doing either one. Like, I don't I don't see people ordering Cokes places and things. Like, it's not like literally 0 more people than smoking cigarettes, but, like, it's still, like, way, way less than you know, when I was a kid, just everybody drank Coke all the time. That was the only liquid there was was Coke. Yep.

24:43

Everywhere Coke, home Coke, 2 liter gallons of Coke or whatever the thing is. Like, the whole thing, that's what we had. That's what all anybody drank. Now it's definitely not like that, you know, in people's houses. And then at restaurants, you see people drinking it, but you also see people just having water or having, like, other beverages.

25:00

So I don't know. It's

25:02

Aaron

interesting. It's so embarrassing to order a water at a restaurant. I can't I just can't imagine.

25:07

Ian

That's why I like

25:08

Aaron

to actually because

25:09

Ian

They don't give you the water, but you guys get wine. Like, all there is is wine. There's no water in European restaurants or Italian restaurants.

25:15

Aaron

Yeah. You you know what's actually pretty good

25:18

Ian

Mhmm.

25:19

Aaron

Is, Chipotle's plain soda water. So the button next to the Sprite?

25:26

Ian

Yeah.

25:26

Aaron

Yeah. Uh-huh. The button next to the Sprite, it comes out ice cold and super bubbly. And so that's good.

25:32

Ian

Do you know every single one of those machines has that same button? You don't have to go to all these buttons.

25:36

Aaron

Okay, Ian.

25:36

Ian

You can go to McDonald's for that. You can go anywhere for that.

25:39

Aaron

Woah. This I'm I'm entering into a new world and and discovering things, and you are telling me you're you're giving me a hard time. Okay? I'm Look

25:50

Ian

at your hard time.

25:51

Aaron

Just I'm just dipping the toes literally into the water so you're out here

25:55

Ian

be aware so you don't have to, like, make a special trip to Chipotle's to get a nice cold seltzer. You can get that literally anywhere that has a soda fountain. So you're I

26:02

Aaron

love your Chipotles, though. Chipotles Chipotles is

26:05

Ian

the best. Falling off a little bit.

26:07

Aaron

Oh, okay. We got

26:08

Ian

Oh, don't you think?

26:09

Aaron

To get through. No. We don't have time. No. It's gotten worse expensive.

26:13

Ian

This well, yeah. That's fine. But, like but I feel like it's gotten worse, like, tasting.

26:19

Aaron

No. Disagree. No.

26:20

Ian

Alright. I gotta try. I haven't been in a while because the last few times I had it was a little off and then I've been going to the salsa fresca. I don't know if you have salsa fresca. No.

26:27

I don't

26:27

Aaron

know if that's

26:28

Ian

knockoff, but I think it's more, like, regional. But

26:32

Aaron

I I'll try Salsa fresca. Silly name. Won't go there. Last bit of Twitter feedback is, Josh Manders says, what's the good word is said a lot here in the Iowa, Wisconsin, Illinois, Minnesota area. So

26:48

Ian

Interesting.

26:49

Aaron

I'm not crazy. What's the good bird?

26:53

Ian

Is it that picked it up. But not in Texas. Right? Not not you hear you don't hear people saying it around you. Yeah.

27:01

Aaron

No. I think that's an Aaron Francis original down here in the south.

27:05

Ian

Working on the Internet, you picked it up somewhere.

27:07

Aaron

Maybe. That is true.

27:10

Ian

Alright. We did have one other, email feedback, which I've been trying to read lately from, Joey Mackenzie. Thanks, Joey. This is a big long email. I'm not gonna read this whole thing, but I did think, the one or two questions here was interesting for us to cover on air, primarily, since this actually just came up from me yesterday.

27:30

Also, your Larabel slash p p origin story. What's your

27:35

Aaron

origin story? Mhmm. But would you have to say that Joey's email is titled Mostly Praise, comma a few questions. So I'm already team Joey. Yeah.

27:46

Right. Big, big, big fan of Joey. So

27:49

Ian

if you want to if you want to

27:50

Aaron

get to the top of the queue. Yeah. Mostly praise a few questions. That's good framing, Joey. Good job.

27:55

Ian

Interesting subject lines. Yeah.

27:57

Aaron

Yeah. My origin story is pretty basic. I started with ASP dot NET when I was, like, 11 or 12 Crazy. And quickly transitioned to PHP, no framework, and did PHP for, like, no framework for, like, 10 years just as a hobbyist. And then the first framework I picked up was Yi, y I I.

28:23

Mhmm. And it was great at the time. I think it was Yi 2 or maybe 1.1 at the time.

28:32

Ian

I was kinda like that name.

28:34

Aaron

It's so hard to say out loud, though.

28:36

Ian

It is. Yeah.

28:37

Aaron

Yi. What? Yi. You got to spell it. I I was deciding between Yee and Laravel 4.

28:46

I think it was Laravel 4. And I tried to install Laravel 4 locally, and it was like, you need, ext dash intl for this to work. And I was like, I don't know what that means. And I tried to install yi and it worked. And so I just picked yi, which is kind of funny.

29:01

Ian

That is funny.

29:02

Aaron

So I did Yi for maybe 2, 3, 4 years and then switched over to Laravel. And the whole time the whole time I've just stuck with PHP because I've known it for so long. Like since I was, you know, 13, I've been using PHP. And so it just feels so natural to me. And I've always been so focused on I've always been so focused on trying to build the thing that I'm building that I don't really get wrapped around the axle on, like, what should I be using to build this?

29:39

Which somebody the other day was like, how do you all avoid shiny object syndrome? And then my response was because Laravel gives me literally everything I need to build the thing I'm trying to build that I don't worry about. Like, I wonder if I should pick up Astro or, you know, Svelte or whatever. Because my goal is not to I think we've talked about this before. My goal is not to be a great engineer.

30:03

My goal is to build something and, you know, either get rich or become a fence guy. So that's kind of. That's right. So that's I mean, I came by it honestly. I was a kid, and I liked PHP, and so I've stuck with it.

30:17

Ian

That's crazy. I wish I could get my kids on the PSP or any programming. They're not really into the programming. But

30:22

Aaron

Yeah.

30:23

Ian

Yeah. That's kinda, that's, like, it's so crazy that you've been doing it that long. It's like

30:28

Aaron

I know.

30:29

Ian

Old school. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Laravel, we're kinda in the shiny object.

30:32

Right? Like, I feel like I'm inside the the shiny object still. Yeah. So I'm flying around up in the shiny object. Like, I don't need a different shiny object.

30:39

Aaron

Sounds good.

30:40

Ian

Yeah. That's great. Yeah. Mine is yeah. I was doing cold fusion at the startup y thing in the dotcomish era and then the lead or the CTO, I guess he was.

30:52

Because, like, for this next thing, we're gonna use, PHP. And I was like, this thing's terrible because, like, ColdFusion gave you all this awesome stuff and had none of the awesome stuff and also had no packages or libraries or frameworks or anything. And I was like, This is terrible. Why are we doing this?

31:10

Aaron

And has a boss ass name called fusion.

31:14

Ian

I know. Cold Fusion is so good.

31:16

Aaron

It's so

31:16

Ian

cool. HP was so bad back then, but, anyway, but then I started my own stuff, and I was like, well, I could pay for ColdFusion's server, and you have to license it by the server and, like, all that stuff. And I'm like, well, that's not gonna work. So I'll just use PHP because now I know it. And even though it doesn't anything and there's nothing useful in it at all, it's all, like, the most base layer and I have to invent everything.

31:36

I guess I'll just use that. But, no, PSP is much better now, obviously. But, yeah, that's that's kinda it. And that was, like, 2002 or something. So yeah.

31:49

Aaron

But then don't forget, you discovered Taylor.

31:52

Ian

I did discover Taylor.

31:54

Aaron

You're you're like, if I knew if I knew a single musical agent to a single giant star, I would say you're like that person, but I don't. So imagine that I know who doctor Dre's agent or discover is, and you're like you're like that person.

32:08

Ian

Should I should I yeah. I can give that story super quick. I was, like, even the hired hired dev, and, it was funny because, like, I found Laravel, and this is awesome. I wanna, like, do stuff and, you know, just like the vibe of it, the docs, and all that stuff. Yeah.

32:22

Everything we all love about Laravel even back then in version 2, I think it was, or maybe late version 1, whatever it was. And then I was like, gosh. Just hire this guy. And then I went on some website. I was like, it was like, it says programmer's website.

32:38

It was like, was it like something tree or code tree or

32:43

Aaron

Code tree was the thing that I was

32:45

Ian

It was like a it was like a you posted your code snippets and like, it was like a social network of sorts for

32:51

Aaron

okay.

32:52

Ian

Coders. But, but they had some kind of feature. I mean, I'd never even used this thing. I just found him on there, and it was like, you can flag if you're looking for work, and he had done that. So I was like, oh, let me reach out to him.

33:03

And that was it. And he came and worked here, and, rest is kinda history and did a lot of cool stuff.

33:11

Aaron

That's why you're the godfather.

33:13

Ian

That's why I'm the godfather. Yeah. And then I just found out everybody on the Internets here was doing that first, commit on GitHub Uh-huh. Tool that's been going around. And my first commit was in Laravel.

33:23

My first

33:24

Aaron

Oh, that's cool.

33:25

Ian

PR on GitHub was in Laravel and the the number 200 or something like that. And then, Taylor said that's out of 35,000. So pretty early. Not many out there can top that. Nope.

33:36

Early on. I got an eye for these things, but, I don't always turn them into money, but I do have an eye for them.

33:45

Aaron

Well, that's step 1. Yeah. Having good taste having good taste is step 1.

33:50

Ian

Yeah. I don't know

33:50

Aaron

what step 2 is, but step 3 is profit. So Yeah. We'll we'll figure that out.

33:55

Ian

We'll do that later. Alright. That's all. We had a lot of follow-up this week. Got a lot of follow-up.

34:01

Aaron

Follow-up. We love the follow-up.

34:02

Ian

Let's let's get that. I like to clear that out to cleanse my mind. Alright. There we go. Just do a little housekeeping.

34:08

Alright. Alright. So what is this? You intrigued me with this. You the note is Aaron bought a chili pad.

34:15

I'm very curious what a chili pad is. I mean,

34:17

Aaron

like, this is anything up?

34:18

Ian

No. I have not. Have you brought this into some

34:20

Aaron

kind of Texas

34:21

Ian

thing or, what this is? I I literally have no idea. A chili pad. Is it like a a thing you actually slap on your body to put, like, the stuff inside you because it's good for your health? Is it a, some kind of pad for you and your mistress?

34:40

Is it that kind of thing?

34:42

Aaron

Any Me and my wife.

34:44

Ian

Well, you know, it's like a chili pad. Like, this is some other kind of thing. Okay. Is it, something to be your bed? Like, is it, like, cool at night or something like that?

34:53

Aaron

Oh, getting hotter.

34:55

Ian

Keeps you warm at night.

34:56

Aaron

Getting getting colder, getting hotter. It is a pad for your bed Okay. To regulate temperature. Yeah.

35:02

Ian

Alright. So this is like the what's that other one that everybody uses? Like BedJet? No. No.

35:08

I never heard of that one. The one that like, it's, like, suit is it, like, sleep 8 or something like that?

35:13

Aaron

8 sleep?

35:14

Ian

8 sleep. Yeah.

35:16

Aaron

I don't know if 8 is a temperature. Is 8? Oh, it sure is.

35:22

Ian

How about that? But your thing's not an 8 Sleep. Right?

35:26

Aaron

No. It's a chili pad.

35:27

Ian

Okay. I don't know what a chili pad is. Let me look this up. So chili pad.

35:30

Aaron

Chili pad by sleep me bed cooling system.

35:33

Ian

Sleep me.

35:34

Aaron

Okay.

35:34

Ian

It is similar to the sleep aid. It's like I got an external unit that's pumping Yes. Stuff around.

35:41

Aaron

Pumping, I think, cold liquid through a

35:45

Ian

Right.

35:46

Aaron

A bed topper.

35:48

Ian

Okay.

35:49

Aaron

Here's the deal. We gotta get the sleep going, man.

35:52

Ian

I love the schemes. Yes.

35:54

Aaron

The sleep has gotta happen.

35:56

Ian

Right. Definitely. Right

35:57

Aaron

now right now, the sleep is not happening. I think

36:01

Ian

that's the one that I have.

36:02

Aaron

A couple times last night. And Mhmm.

36:03

Ian

So we're

36:04

Aaron

in this rent house. Rent house doesn't have a ceiling fan. I know ceiling fans in bedrooms are, like, ugly and bad design. I love a ceiling fan in a bedroom. Right.

36:14

I just I just love to be like, I want to sleep in a vortex.

36:17

Ian

Right.

36:17

Aaron

And this is one of those houses where, like, the air ducts, like, have uneven distribution.

36:25

Ian

Mhmm.

36:25

Aaron

So it's like, oh, the kids' room is kinda, it's kinda pleasant. You walk back into the master bedroom, and it's like, oh my god. It's a a furnace. There's a jet engine running back here. And so I wake up a few times a night just, like, sweaty.

36:39

Ian

Yeah. Temperature is a big thing for sleep.

36:41

Aaron

Oh, it's the freaking worst. And so I'm never gonna get better if I don't sleep. And I'm never gonna sleep if it's a 1000000 degrees. We've already got you've we've already got, like, some box fans and stuff going back there, and it's, like, it's not working.

36:56

Ian

More industrial.

36:57

Aaron

I need some I need something a little bit a little bit better. And so

37:01

Ian

Some kick.

37:02

Aaron

Yeah. So I have a friend who has a chili pad, and I texted him. And I was like, hey, what's the deal? He's like, it's worth every penny. I used to wake up a bunch, and now I sleep in a t shirt because sometimes it's it's so cold, and I don't wake up at all.

37:17

Uh-huh. And I was like, man, that sucks because it's expensive, but it sounds really great. And he said, you can come over and sleep in the middle if you wanna try it out.

37:28

Ian

Oh, you should've done that. You should've logged that. Oh, man.

37:31

Aaron

I was like, that's alright. So I got one. I got half of it. So you can buy them. They come in, like, halves, right?

37:40

So you and your your sleepmates can have a different temperature. Sleep mate was for the general public. In my case, that would be my wife. You can have different different temperatures. She doesn't have a problem sleeping, so we just buy half right now because it is expandable.

37:57

You don't have to, like, buy a whole new set. That's gonna be So it should arrive today.

38:01

Ian

Okay. Haven't used it yet. I see.

38:02

Aaron

I haven't used it yet. And you like so it goes on top of the mattress under, like, under the sheets and stuff.

38:09

Ian

Right.

38:10

Aaron

And it has a little external unit that has, you know, little hoses plugged into it, and you just like it just you set the temperature you want. So you're like, I wanna sleep at 65, and it just keeps it at 65. So don't know, man. We'll see.

38:26

Ian

I like it. I'm I'm up for this. I think, yeah, that seems like a reasonable thing to try out. Everybody swears by these things. I'm more familiar with the 8 Sleep or whatever that one's called, but, people seem to always I always see people talking about it, and they're like, I love it.

38:39

It's the best thing ever. So I like it. I like a gadget. I love a good gadget.

38:45

Aaron

Love a gadget. Yeah.

38:46

Ian

Yeah. A gadget's gonna solve all your problems. That's always to believe. I think so.

38:51

Aaron

So I like that. If not this one,

38:53

Ian

the next one that I discover. Yeah. But, no, this isn't good. So and I mean, well, you'll have to report back. So it's arriving today.

39:00

So by

39:00

Aaron

Should arrive today.

39:01

Ian

Next next week, you should have data for us Yep. On, how you're feeling and all that. Are you a are you a Apple Watch to bed man?

39:10

Aaron

I'm not an Apple Watch at all, man.

39:12

Ian

Oh, well, there you go. Are you in any you don't have any you're not sleep tracking or any of that kind of stuff?

39:17

Aaron

No. And I promised on Twitter that I wouldn't start saying my sleep stack because, you know, all these all these bros are like, oh, you know, my sleep stack is you know, I do I

39:25

Ian

like that term.

39:26

Aaron

Yeah. No. I see that

39:27

Ian

domain is taken. Is that domain available? Sleepstack.com. No. It's a good that they tell you about

39:32

Aaron

they tell about all their vitamins and their, you know, their white noise and their chili pads. So, no, I don't do any sleep tracking at all. I don't know. I I don't know. I just don't know how useful it would be.

39:48

I know. I know that I just

39:50

Ian

got like, it would stress me out. Like, I'm like, oh,

39:52

Aaron

man. Exactly.

39:52

Ian

It says, like, I only got 74% optimal sleep last night, and I would no. I feel terrible. Yeah. I I don't think I need that much data. It's too much data.

40:00

Aaron

There's too much data. Yeah. You know what I you know what I would pay for? It would be hard to pull off, is I would pay for a sleep tracker that lies to me and tells me I did better.

40:11

Ian

But I

40:13

Aaron

would have to believe it's honest. Right? So that's the hard part. Yeah. Because what I want is a sleep tracker to be like, man

40:20

Ian

You want placebo?

40:22

Aaron

Bud. Yeah. 92%. Now then I'm like, oh, I thought I was tired.

40:26

Ian

Right. I hit 92%.

40:28

Aaron

I actually do feel great. But, you know, the whole thing with placebos, you can't know about it.

40:33

Ian

Yeah. I feel like that might not be good for you, to be honest with you. It's like, yeah, you do have a problem sleeping. You need to fix that problem. Pretending you don't have a problem does get you pretty far, to be honest, but then at some point, you just scratch and burn.

40:46

Aaron

Oh, that's interesting. You don't think lying to myself is a good long term strategy?

40:50

Ian

I I mean, I'm not a doctor. I just played 1 on here.

40:53

Aaron

But Right. But you are a podcaster,

40:55

Ian

which is better

40:56

Aaron

than a doctor.

40:57

Ian

Yeah. Interesting. I'm very excited to hear about this because I've I've even though I've heard tons about these things, I've never known anyone, I don't think, or at least I haven't had a discussion with anyone I've known about this. So I'm looking forward to this analysis here. Maybe you're gonna be like, boom.

41:14

This is it. I feel a 1000 times better. Let's do it.

41:18

Aaron

That without without setting my hopes too high, that is my hope. Boom. This is it. I feel a 1000 times better. So I'm not setting myself up for disappointment at all on

41:28

Ian

the phrase. That's the

41:29

Aaron

way to do it.

41:31

Ian

Yeah. Alright. What else you got? So do you you tweeted about I know you I mean, you wrote a blog post about this. So you were you found a little time at the computer.

41:39

I'm back, baby. Yeah. You're back to, write up a blog post. So tell us about that.

41:44

Aaron

I wrote a blog post. So this is, this is part of the walk and talk series. This blog post originally was dictated by me to voice memos on my iPhone.

41:57

Ian

Interesting.

41:58

Aaron

And then and then sent to, Deepgram for transcription and then sent on to chat gpt for cleaning up and writing of the blog post. So I did all of that. You know, I I dictated it early in the year, probably early January. Oh. And finally, like, got it transcribed and sent it to chat gbt for, like, final writing, and it came back from chat gbt kinda crappy.

42:29

So I still haven't figured out I still haven't figured out the best, I guess, prompt or or way to set it up so that it, like, writes a good blog post. But, you know, it was 40% useful when it came back from chat gbt. So I had, like, the the chat gbt written version and then the full transcript below it. And I ended up taking most of it from the full transcript. But, anyway, the bulk of the, you know, the bulk of the material was written just by me talking, which is really nice because it's way easier to talk.

42:58

You can do it on the road. You can do it on a walk. It's just it's just way easier. And so the other day, I went to I went to Barnes and Noble and was like, I'm gonna like, I'm trying to I go back to PlanetScale March 8th, which is in, like, 2 weeks.

43:13

Ian

Oh, wow.

43:14

Aaron

And so yeah. Oh, no.

43:17

Ian

I'm

43:17

Aaron

not I'm not well yet. I was supposed to be well. So I'm trying to, like, do a little bit every day to be like, okay, I can, you know, rebuild my work muscle. And so this day, I was like, I'm gonna write this blog post. And so I did.

43:31

And it's kind of self referential thing, because the title of the blog post is do literally anything. And the whole theory is, like, I often get overwhelmed by, like, all of the stuff that I either want to do or the stuff that I have to do. Yeah. And kind of like we talked about with texting friends back and I get I see all the stuff I have to do, and I'm like, oh, well, pity. Yep.

43:57

Pity that nothing can be done. That's that's too bad. There's too much to do, so I can't I can't do anything. That's a real shame. And the solution has always been, and I always have to remind myself, just do anything.

44:10

It's just like start anywhere. I have found I have found that the the motivation comes from the action and the action does not come from the motivation. Like, once I start doing stuff, I'm like, yeah. I can do stuff.

44:25

Ian

Let's do some stuff. I know.

44:27

Aaron

I do things. If I just sit there or I, like, you know, I'm scrolling Twitter and like, I got so much to do. I should worry about that. Nothing ever gets done. So that that was the impetus behind the whole thing.

44:39

Ian

I do feel like, kind of that's also like an offshoot of your sort of max effort era in a sense of, like because you're kinda doing a lot of things. And I feel like I know when I get doing a lot of things, then you kinda get that crushing sensation start creeping in that, like, well, I have this thing I started that I didn't finish and this thing that I should do something with. And now you have a huge, long list of things you wanna do something with, and then you're just overwhelmed. And you're like, well,

45:03

Aaron

then you're just overwhelmed.

45:03

Ian

Overwhelmed. Yeah.

45:04

Aaron

I think when we started this show, you were actively shedding responsibilities.

45:08

Ian

Right? That's right. Yeah. I have I have shedded a chunk of things. I'm still working.

45:12

I've got a couple ideas in this regard, but, more to do. But, yes, I have been shedding, and that's been good. Like, because you just build up these things. So, like, shedding Yeah. Shed anything and then do anything.

45:26

The shedding is doing in a sense. So you can, like, when you do anything, you end up with something that you don't want anymore, you gotta take the time

45:35

Aaron

and get

45:35

Ian

rid of it, and then, yeah, shut it. But but, yeah, I I thought it was a great article and just, like, totally great. It's just, like, just getting in there. You're always surprised at how much you can do too. It's like, oh, I just did a couple hours here and, like Yeah.

45:48

I got way farther than I thought I was gonna get or better than I thought it was gonna be or, you know, all those kind of things. So people seem to like it. What's the feedback, man?

45:58

Aaron

Feedback has been great. I was I was, very, very pleased by the feedback. Yeah. A lot of people a lot of people really liked it. Some people that I, like, look up to really liked it, which was a lot of fun.

46:12

Like, Ben Orenstein really liked it. Jason Cohen really liked it. The God of, you know, the Godfather.

46:17

Ian

He's the real

46:18

Aaron

I know. He's the real Godfather.

46:20

Ian

The the bootstrapping sass godfather.

46:23

Aaron

Yeah. And so that's fun. You know, it's always fun to get good feedback from people that you like. Yeah. And it makes me feel good.

46:30

I feel like I enjoy writing. I happen to think that I'm good at it. And it's nice when I put something out there and people are like, Yeah, this is really good. It's like, oh, cool. So

46:39

Ian

So that's kinda interesting because, like so how do you then integrate like, you tried to integrate chat gbt, and it didn't work.

46:51

Aaron

But what

46:51

Ian

do you think about that? Because, like so your kinda unique voice, is what you like and think you're good at. But then, obviously, there's the benefits of, like, if I could offload some of this, then, obviously, I can maybe do more or do any versus doing none. So I guess, are you now off are you are you dissuaded on chat gbt? Are you feeling like you just gotta dial it in more?

47:13

Like, what do you think about

47:15

Aaron

all that? So the way that I thought about it after I saw the output come back, first, I was disappointed because I was like, man, this is generic. Yeah. But the way the way that I think about it now is it's like someone else wrote a version of the idea. And while I won't use someone else's version of the idea, it was helpful for me to look at it and read it and see, like, did anything that chat gbt wrote evoke any emotion?

47:43

Did they have any good turns of phrase that I liked? Or did they have, you know, I think part of my prompt is like, don't introduce new ideas. Like, I really want you to take this transcript and clean it up into, like, more of a narrative, like, a a post. Yeah. But as I'm reading the one that comes back, does it spark any new ideas in me?

48:06

And so I think in terms of, like, offloading, the bulk of the offloading was me recording it via voice and transcribing it. That was, like, a huge amount of, a head start.

48:19

Ian

Because when

48:20

Aaron

you sit down when you sit down and stare at the blank page, it's really intimidating. But when you record via voice, you can only move forward. Like, you can't go back and say, like, actually, I don't like the way that I worded that. You just got to plow through it. And so then you sit down with a first draft that's kind of crappy.

48:38

And you sit down with a, you know, first and a half draft from someone else's point of view, chat GBT, and then you're like, great. I'm gonna take all these raw materials, and I'm going to mold them into what I want to say. And I think the other thing that I've really found interesting this time was the, the benefit of, like, letting it stew because I like, you know, I dictated this thing. And then I'm like, I'm done with it. But it's like still in the background.

49:05

And I'm like, Yeah,

49:07

Ian

I thought I could, you know, this is

49:08

Aaron

another good point or like, actually, this is also the solution for when I'm feeling underwhelmed. And I don't know what to do. And like, so having distance between, you know, writing it the first time and then like editing and refining it, I think was really helpful. So I'll still use it. I just I do wish the chat gbt could adopt my voice a little bit more, but I don't know.

49:30

Ian

Do you tell us to write like Aaron Francis? Because it's probably trained on you a little bit.

49:35

Aaron

I have so what I did was I took, all of the text from 1 or 2 of the articles that I felt like were most me, And I fed it in and said, analyze this for, like, voice tone and style or something. And so I'm telling chat gbt, what do you think the voice tone and style is?

49:57

Ian

Right.

49:57

Aaron

And then I take that, and I put that back into the prompts for the next one that says, use this voice tone and style. And so I'm like, I'm trying to speak your language, man. Like, just write write like this thing that you told me. So I, I'm I don't know. I I don't know.

50:14

I would have to ask it if it knows who I am. I don't I would doubt it.

50:17

Ian

No. No. I would guarantee you it knows. Yeah. I would I would try just that because you've

50:21

Aaron

written nothing

50:22

Ian

and your name's been out there enough that, like, it knows I mean, knows me and I've written less than you for sure. And it's Interesting. Pretty good analysis that it had, like, I tried to one of the first things when it first came out even, I was like, you know, who has such a unique style of a certain type of writing is Taylor. Cause like, specifically around naming things.

50:42

Aaron

Uh-huh.

50:43

Ian

And so I was like, oh, you like name name a product, whatever. I gave it to some, like, sample thing, you know, like Taylor Atwell would. And it's like, oh, Taylor Atwell is known for his, like, succinct and blah blah blah stuff. And I was like, man, that's like him. That's like exact like, it's like perfect.

50:56

Aaron

The notes. That was

50:57

Ian

actually really cool. So, yeah, I think you'd be surprised. Do you wanna try this? What should I ask you? Who is it?

50:59

Who is a lot. Who is Aaron Francis? Yeah. You might you're I don't know if you're I

51:07

Aaron

ask myself this every day.

51:09

Ian

But,

51:10

Aaron

who is Aaron Francis?

51:13

Ian

The problem is there's a guy

51:14

Aaron

on Love Island named Aaron Francis.

51:15

Ian

That's what I mean. So you might have to give it more of, like, you know, PHP developer Aaron Francis or, like, whatever. I don't know. Oh, you're Yeah.

51:22

Aaron

Hell, yeah.

51:23

Ian

Did it? Alright.

51:25

Aaron

Look at this.

51:26

Ian

God, I feel like Give it to us. World. Give it to us. This is awesome. I keep this to myself.

51:30

Aaron

Alright. Who is Aaron Francis? The ultimate question. Multiple individuals known as Aaron Francis, each with a distinct profession and background. Depending on the context, here are the primary figures named Aaron Francis.

51:43

Number 1, Aaron Francis, the software developer and content creator.

51:47

Ian

1. No.

51:50

Aaron

Suck it, Aaron Francis. I'm number

51:52

Ian

1.

51:53

Aaron

Okay. He identifies as a software developer, content creator with focus on educational content related to web development, specifically Laravel. Yes. Strong presence on YouTube where he makes videos, shares insights on software development. He has been involved with the PlanetScale's developer educator platform for MySQL.

52:12

His professional journey also includes an interesting transition from being a CPA and tax accountant to embracing software development and creation. No. No. No. No.

52:21

What

52:22

Ian

about me. Alright. That's amazing. Follow-up. Ask it about your writing style.

52:25

What's, you know, Aaron Francis, the software developer's writing style or whatever?

52:29

Aaron

Also, can we just can we just pour one out for Aaron Francis, professional Australian rules footballer and Aaron

52:35

Ian

Francis, the

52:36

Aaron

reality TV personality? Man, if you wanna if you wanna be number 1, you can't be on TV. You gotta create content about Laravel. Alright. What do I say?

52:45

So I say, what do you know about the writing style of Aaron Francis to software developer and content creator? It's like a cool title. I love that.

52:56

Ian

Yeah. That is good. Alright.

53:03

Aaron

Man, this is weirding me out.

53:06

Ian

See, I told you I would know you.

53:08

Aaron

That's great. I gotta I gotta reassess, like, my internal view of myself. I was like, there's no way there's anyone would ever know me. Here we go. As he's known for writing style that mirrors his professional ethos, approachable, informative, and engaging.

53:23

He values sincerity and optimism, which is evident in the way he communicates technical, complex manners in a way that's easy to understand and relatable. Nice.

53:33

Ian

I mean, I thought it was amazing.

53:35

Aaron

It sounds amazing. Here's a closer look at what my based on the principles he holds dear. I do hold these principles dear, and it gives me, like, a wall of text. But the the bullet points are personable and conversational, optimistic and supportive, educational yet accessible, actionable and practical and motivational.

53:57

Ian

I think that is the real Aaron Francis. Awesome. Freaking great. Now you're gonna have to go maybe after the show and feed

54:00

Aaron

your notes into this and

54:02

Ian

just tell it to write it like Aaron Francis and see what it does when it does into this and just tell it to write it like Aaron Francis and see what it does with that. That's gonna be very fascinating.

54:12

Aaron

Yeah. This is free up with that. Rules.

54:15

Ian

Oh, yeah. See that?

54:16

Aaron

Look at this. Weather weather listen, dear dear listener. Whether you're a budding software developer or simply curious about technology, His approachable style ensures that you'll find value and encouragement in his work. That's amazing.

54:33

Ian

I mean, this is just a whole another level of interesting stuff of, like like, the benefits of your get out there mentality. Right?

54:41

Aaron

Totally. One of the

54:42

Ian

benefits of those of us who've gotten out there a little bit is like, we are inside the machine now and that has potential benefits. Like, now, obviously, there's people suing people because they don't wanna be in the machine without permission, blah blah. Personally, I like being in the machine. Like, but Yeah.

54:54

Aaron

Who cares? You're not gonna win.

54:56

Ian

Care about

54:56

Aaron

that. It.

54:57

Ian

Yeah. I'm not gonna make I don't care about the $3 you're gonna pay me for my

55:00

Aaron

Yeah.

55:00

Ian

20 year old blog post. Like, I'm in there. Now I could say write this like Ian Lansman, and it actually does come out, like, sort of like something I would write. So I think that's, kinda useful. Come on.

55:11

Your mind is blown. I love this.

55:12

Aaron

My mind my mind is actually blown. This is this is wild.

55:17

Ian

Yeah. You're gonna be able to utilize this. This is gonna be good for you.

55:22

Aaron

Cool.

55:23

Ian

Even have an outline and stuff. Look at this. Even have it writing the whole thing. I feel like you could be like, Hey, take these notes and like create an outline of an article. Yeah.

55:32

You know? Like, it might sometimes I feel like it is better with when you step it through things than just, like, we just give it the raw materials. It comes out, like, not always the best. But then if you, like, guide it down the path, it's a little better. So you could be, like, outline it like Aaron Francis would with, you know, some of the stuff and and write up the article based on the outline or whatever.

55:51

Yeah.

55:51

Aaron

Cool. My my point of view on it is I'm trying to get it to do I don't really want it to do, like, idea generation. You know?

56:00

Ian

Right.

56:01

Aaron

And so, like, you know, generate the outline is great because then I can fill it in or take this transcript and turn clean it up is great because it, like, uses my ideas. But I don't ever wanna be in a spot where I'm like, hey. Write me an article about, you know, the benefits of waking up early. And I read it, and I'm like, sure, whatever.

56:20

Ian

Good enough. Throw it out there.

56:21

Aaron

Good enough. So I don't know. I'm that's where I'm trying to use, you know, I'm trying to get better about using it in general because I feel like I need to I need I need the leverage. Everyone else is gonna have the leverage, and I need to have the leverage as well. And so this is one of those this is one of those experiments to to use it in a way that I find is congruent with what I want to do in life.

56:45

You know?

56:46

Ian

Yeah. Well, this is what also one of the things where I think, this actually changed my thinking on a number of things, that I don't so I wanna get into yet totally. But, I always do this on, this is my whole thing. No. It's, like, 5 years from now, they'll be like, he's still dropping hints of stuff, but Uh-huh.

57:03

But, like, Google, whatever. They've had some weird stuff with the Gemini. Yeah. Stuff. But one of the cool things is they're working on the large context windows of, like, a million or 10,000,000 tokens.

57:13

And I think that's gonna be really cool is even for stuff like this, because now you can just give it everything you've ever wrote and you can be like, yes. Okay, here's everything I ever wrote and what, you know, do get the tone off that rather than just like 2 articles, whatever. I mean, it's somebody like you is leaving a little different because it's already got everything you've ever written and is trained on it already deeper, which is even better than when you just shove it in the prompt. But still, you can, like, give it a bunch more information about whatever you're trying to do, which I think is gonna make it a lot better versus now we're kind of a little more limited in how much you can shove in there in one go. But, yeah.

57:48

So I think that changes a lot in a lot of actually to be able to use the big context window and not have to, slice and dice it up so much.

57:56

Aaron

Try to string it all together yourself.

57:58

Ian

Yeah. Yeah. So Yeah.

58:01

Aaron

That's gonna be really interesting for, I think, people that are these, like, obsessive second brainers where they have just, like, huge digital archives that they can then literally dump the entire thing in and be like, hey. So tell me what my blind spots are. I'll be like, well, you certainly write a lot about this and, like,

58:19

Ian

how that's

58:20

Aaron

that would be really cool.

58:22

Ian

What what do you think about, I don't know. What do you think about AI tools in general? Like, I feel like the you know, stuff's starting to integrate, like Notion. Notion had it initially for, like, helping you write, and then now it's moved to, I think, a better position of, like, more second brain ish. Like, hey, let's, like, ask yourself questions about whatever you want, about the stuff you've written inside Notion, which I think make more sense.

58:45

Yeah. But I've also never actually used it. So, like, there, I feel like there is this layer of like, AI is just gonna be injected into everything for us. But like in reality, are we gonna use it as much as people want us to use it? I don't know.

58:59

Maybe.

59:00

Aaron

I think the best well, first of all, Notion's the worst. Just wanna get that out there.

59:05

Ian

What do you think, like, what's your Notion you're in Trello? Or what do you do with Notion like things?

59:11

Aaron

Obsidian is where I keep, like, notes and stuff.

59:13

Ian

Obsidian. Okay. Well, it's just like an open source Notion or whatever, basically. There's a wiki

59:18

Aaron

Don't don't don't talk down to Obsidian like that.

59:20

Ian

I know everybody's Snyder is a cult cult following. I I actually didn't know about it

59:26

Aaron

till, like,

59:26

Ian

2 months ago. Yeah.

59:27

Aaron

It's good. It's got markdown. It's got keyboard shortcuts. It's fine. I just don't like, this whole second brain thing, I'm like, I don't wanna do that.

59:36

I wanna forget stuff. Forgetting stuff is a feature.

59:38

Ian

I'd like to do the second brain, but I don't wanna have to build it. You have

59:42

Aaron

to build it, and you have to maintain it, and you have to

59:44

Ian

spend all your time worried about, like, oh, my tags and

59:46

Aaron

my folders and my formulas. And I gotta, like Right. I gotta, like, write down my mood every day and what I ate for lunch.

59:53

Ian

I'm like,

59:53

Aaron

I don't why? What am I getting out of that?

59:56

Ian

Yeah. I don't want any of that part. That part's all terrible.

59:59

Aaron

No. It's all terrible. It's all terrible. If you have a second brain, that's great for you. So I think the the best AI stuff is gonna be invisible.

1:00:08

I think this whole life, let's why don't you chat with AI about your notes? I'm like, no. You tell me. You tell me what what I should be thinking about or what's valuable or, like, maybe in certain cases, asking my notes, like, is anything I can come up with a good example is is interesting. But I think in most cases, I just want somebody with a feature brain or a product brain to be thinking, like, what's the best use of AI here?

1:00:38

We don't even have to call it AI. Just give me, like, you know, sidebar suggestions that like blows me away with how relevant it is. That's the kind of stuff that I'm hoping for in the future. And I think in terms of, like, generation, I've already hit on it. I want it to do certain hard work for me, but not generate new ideas most of the time unless I'm in, like, a brainstorming phase.

1:00:58

Ian

Right. Yeah. I agree. I I think, like, not not everything has to be called AI. It's definitely a big thing.

1:01:03

Like, some things that

1:01:04

Aaron

make sense.

1:01:04

Ian

If the AI is doing a lot of heavy lifting for part of it, it makes sense. But if it's like, but I do feel like a lot of the best features will be stuff where it's not like that. And it's like, like all the stuff we just said about it sucks to build tags for everything. Mhmm. Like, let the AI figure out what tags

1:01:17

Aaron

Yeah.

1:01:17

Ian

That something should have, and you don't even think about tagging it. It just tags it, and that's great. And most of the time, it just does a good enough job, and you who even cares if it hallucinates 1 weird tag once in a while? It doesn't matter, Yeah. Because most of the time, it does a good job.

1:01:31

Like, that would be really cool, and take some burden off you and all that kind of stuff. So

1:01:36

Aaron

perfect Perfect example. Google Photos. Google Photos is the perfect example of seamless AI because I can search. Yeah. I can search for, like my brother's name is Jonathan.

1:01:48

I can search for Jonathan on the beach 2016, and it'll, like, it'll find pictures of my brother on the beach in 2016. I'm like,

1:01:56

Ian

we were there at this time,

1:01:57

Aaron

and it just, like, it just does it. And that's what I'm looking for. I don't want to categorize photos. I want to say Christmas 2001, and it pulls up all of the pictures from Christmas 2001.

1:02:08

Ian

Yeah.

1:02:09

Aaron

That's perfect.

1:02:10

Ian

That is crazy how long Google's had that, you know, too. It's like

1:02:14

Aaron

Yes. I know.

1:02:14

Ian

All this AI stuff seems new, but it's really, like, the machine learning version of AI has been around now for, like, 10 years, and they've been tagging people and Mhmm. Figuring out that this is a cat or a dog or whatever for the whole time. The way that

1:02:26

Aaron

they can figure out which baby is which, I'm like, I can barely understand which baby is which.

1:02:32

Ian

Yep. Yep. That is crazy. How can you recognize the faces and everything? So, yeah.

1:02:37

Yeah. I do like Google photos for that. It's so much better than the apple stuff, but I'm otherwise in the Apple ecosystem. I know. So I used to, like, sync it over to the Google Photos, but then that's, like, a pain in the ass.

1:02:46

So I don't bother

1:02:47

Aaron

We use Jennifer and I use Google Photos for our entire family library, and then we will, download, you know, the top 0.1% and put them on the shared photo stream for, like, grandparents and cousins and stuff.

1:03:02

Ian

Yeah. Yeah.

1:03:02

Aaron

That's the only that's the only problem is everyone's on the Apple shared photo stream.

1:03:07

Ian

Right. Keeps you in the ecosystem.

1:03:09

Aaron

It does.

1:03:10

Ian

It works. You know what I just got, for myself? I'm gonna get one. I don't know what it's called now. Of course.

1:03:17

I'm gonna let me go look back at it quick. You know, years years ago, I tried one of those digital picture frames and it was, oh

1:03:26

Aaron

yeah, trash obviously. Yeah.

1:03:28

Ian

But now they're not trash. I have one and it's not trash. So now I'm going to get one like for my parents and then you could just sync stuff to it. And it's just like the picture frame just updates with like new pictures of the grandkids and stuff like that. What's the

1:03:40

Aaron

screen like?

1:03:41

Ian

It's not bad. It's, this is the one I have is a 10 inch and then they I think just came out pretty recently with, a 15 inch. 15 inch? Yeah. This one's called the, the Aurora, a u r a or aura.

1:03:55

Carver.

1:03:55

Aaron

A u r a.

1:03:57

Ian

Yeah. It's on Amazon, but it's like a pretty slick package. It was easy to set up. It was not complicated at all. It's like an app.

1:04:03

You load photos into it. It can, you can email photos into it. I think there's like some automated stuff, whatever. I just pre put in like 50 or 60 photos from like my top favorite ones. And, it worked awesome.

1:04:14

It's like $150, the 15 inch ones, you know, like, 300, but yeah, it's like pretty low profile. Like we have it on the mantle. If I had the 15 inch one, I'd probably think about that more as like a wall thing. I guess.

1:04:26

Aaron

15 inches.

1:04:27

Ian

Yeah. But, maybe they have a 7 inch 2. I'm not sure. But, a 10 inch. It's awesome.

1:04:33

Like, it's just rotating photos and, like, there's different settings, and it works, and it's great. Like, the resolution's, like, pretty solid, so it doesn't look all grainy and funky. And yeah. So Yeah.

1:04:43

Aaron

This looks pretty good.

1:04:44

Ian

It's pretty good for, like, the

1:04:46

Aaron

And that 15 inches big, isn't it?

1:04:48

Ian

It is. Yeah. And what's cool too, is it kind of know that you might want to like do this as a gift. So like they have a whole setup for that where like you can receive it, load it all up with stuff and then, like, give it to somebody else. And it caused some awareness of that.

1:05:02

You've done that and whatever. I've I haven't actually gone through that process with the one I wanna give my parents yet. But, so, yeah, pretty cool.

1:05:10

Aaron

Anti glare matte screen matte finish screen. That's what I was looking for. Yep. Because the old ones the old ones were bad. It was very clearly LCD,

1:05:20

Ian

like Right.

1:05:21

Aaron

Super bright reflective screen.

1:05:25

Ian

Yeah. No. It's it's pretty good. I mean, obviously, it's still, like, a backlit photo as compared to, like, the one on your wall that's not quite like that. But, but otherwise, it looks really good.

1:05:36

I I I like it.

1:05:38

Aaron

Alright. Cool. I like it.

1:05:41

Ian

Yeah. There you go. Product recommendation. Alright. I don't know.

1:05:48

Anything else?

1:05:50

Aaron

No. I don't think we're

1:05:51

Ian

all ground. We managed to a lot of ground. Technical, but, we got a few little chat gbt technical things in. And,

1:05:57

Aaron

we mentioned we mentioned it briefly, but Taylor's back on the sauce. He he quit Coke 0 for a week and tweeted today the, like, the 5 things I learned about quitting. He's like, life sucks without Coke.

1:06:12

Ian

Yeah. So he's a Coke hero, man. So now I understand the difference, though.

1:06:15

Aaron

Yeah.

1:06:16

Ian

If I was going to get into that game, I would definitely be I would just go probably real Coke. But if I didn't, for some reason, wanna go real Coke, I would definitely do Coke 0. I would not die. But yeah. You know, the Coke 0.

1:06:27

You gotta have what you gotta have. You gotta have some vices. Right? Everybody's gotta have a few vices.

1:06:32

Aaron

Speaking of vices, have we talked about this zen stuff?

1:06:37

Ian

I don't know what you're talking about. So I don't know.

1:06:39

Aaron

Z y n. Maybe it's z y n n. No. Just z y n. Nicotine pouches.

1:06:47

Ian

Okay. I do not know about

1:06:48

Aaron

these. Nicotine?

1:06:49

Ian

Are you a nicotine guy? Have you ever smoked

1:06:53

Aaron

or done anything? No.

1:06:55

Ian

Maybe this is the time.

1:06:56

Aaron

Yeah. Maybe this is the time.

1:06:58

Ian

I think I mean, this website is all time awesome. I absolutely love this website.

1:07:04

Aaron

Are you getting the full product contains nicotine warning?

1:07:08

Ian

Like, there's nothing. It's just like a login screen, and

1:07:10

Aaron

it's login and f t a. Yeah.

1:07:12

Ian

It's amazing. I can't even yeah.

1:07:15

Aaron

I'm not gonna get past it because I'm not gonna register for

1:07:18

Ian

Well, no. There is a sidebar menu, but I don't think it talks about the products anywhere. It's, like, the reward pro oh, no. I guess you can't I'm

1:07:25

Aaron

only getting logged in. Everything I click, I have to log in.

1:07:29

Ian

I guess they want only be 21.

1:07:31

Aaron

Yeah.

1:07:33

Ian

Where did you you just saw this around, I take it? This is, like, a thing? Yeah.

1:07:36

Aaron

I just saw it around. Cool kids on Twitter using Zen.

1:07:40

Ian

Who's smoking? Who's using nicotine? I thought we were done. I thought a place, like, on the v

1:07:45

Aaron

or whatever.

1:07:46

Ian

It's different. I let me just tell you. A three letter dot com. I mean, right there, I'm impressed already. Like, this makes me wanna smoke.

1:07:54

Like, get these pouches.

1:07:55

Aaron

It's not smoke. It's a pouch.

1:07:57

Ian

I could just slap it on and I think it's gonna hop you up. I don't think you should get this. I think when you get, you know, nicotine, if you're not used to it, it's gonna have a caffeination type effect on you. I believe.

1:08:07

Aaron

I know. Doesn't that sound awesome?

1:08:09

Ian

Just go all in. Don't you wanna be a guy just like you're like, imagine you're in the seventies. You're just going all in on all the bices. You're just gonna go out on like drinking. You're just gonna be smoking, drinking, partying, riding the hog around the long straight highways of Texas.

1:08:27

That's what you're gonna be doing. You're gonna have a leather jacket,

1:08:30

Aaron

Man, smoking's cool.

1:08:33

Ian

If I could

1:08:34

Aaron

have, like, a leather if I could have, like, a leather jacket Woah. And a freaking cigarette hanging out, I would be the king of cool.

1:08:42

Ian

You're James Dean. We already decided that. Dean.

1:08:46

Aaron

No. I can't smoke. Smoking's terrible for you.

1:08:49

Ian

Man, I don't you love this website? This website is fabulous. This huge warning at the top. It's just like

1:08:54

Aaron

pass. I'm yeah.

1:08:55

Ian

I'm not So good.

1:08:55

Aaron

I'm on Google Images now.

1:08:57

Ian

It's perfect. It's this might be the perfect website. It's so good. I just love this website. This is what a website's supposed to be.

1:09:04

You know what? There's nothing fancy. It's a huge ass banner at the top that says this will kill you and log in to

1:09:10

Aaron

us. In here. And you know you know, they built this log in. They didn't outsource this to some to some

1:09:16

Ian

Oh, no.

1:09:17

Aaron

VC back. Fancy. Freaking. Yeah. Bcrypt the passwords and check it against the database.

1:09:23

What's the problem, Ian, with nicotine? Tell me why nicotine's bad.

1:09:29

Ian

Well, I mean, I think it's addictive, and it's bad for you. Like, I don't know. I've used vodka. I think it's worse because it's, like

1:09:35

Aaron

Agree.

1:09:36

Ian

Actually getting into your lungs.

1:09:38

Aaron

And all the other stuff.

1:09:39

Ian

You got here? Yeah.

1:09:41

Aaron

Yeah. Yeah. Listen to us for sure. This is medical advice.

1:09:44

Ian

Know if the nicotine in and of it itself, if you're just injecting it into your blood, through your skin is actually bad for you or if it's only in smoke form. I kind of think it might at least it's I'm pretty sure it's definitely worse for you in smoke form. So I guess the upgrade the bad

1:09:59

Aaron

part. Right?

1:10:00

Ian

Right. And I think just And, like, the tar, the hot stuff. Smoke. Yeah. Tars and stuff getting inside your lungs is bad.

1:10:07

So if you do it this way, it's probably better, I guess. But see, to me, I don't know. I don't know if you do you have you known a lot of smokers in your life?

1:10:15

Aaron

No. No. Not even Okay. Not even hardly any.

1:10:17

Ian

Okay. So I've known a lot of smokers. And, the thing about smoking is like the nicotine is part of it, but like a huge part of it is like the social and physical aspects to it. Like you're holding this thing, you're inhaling this thing. You're bumming cigarettes off people outside of a building.

1:10:35

You're like, it's there is a whole, like, cultural aspect to it that is part of, like, the addiction and the appeal. Mhmm. That, like, hey. I just slapped this patch on me. I don't think it's going to satisfy.

1:10:50

Obviously, like, you're trying to if you're just using this to get off of smoking, that's, like, a different sort of thing, and you're trying to at least get through the chemical part of the addiction. But I don't know. I'm not gonna be the most

1:11:01

Aaron

popping us in.

1:11:02

Ian

Yeah. Well, yeah. Exactly. Like, you're not gonna be like, hey. Let me bum bum a cigarette off you, and let's sit outside this building and smoke and chat and make a single serving friend, because I I got a cigarette off.

1:11:13

Yeah. That was a whole

1:11:14

Aaron

thing. Interesting.

1:11:15

Ian

I saw it a million times.

1:11:17

Aaron

That's how

1:11:18

Ian

it was in the old days.

1:11:20

Aaron

Yeah. It sounds like the word on the street to me. Alright. So we'll hold off. We'll hold off.

1:11:26

I won't become a nicotine guy.

1:11:28

Ian

You might wanna wait till you get other things settled down a little and then start the nicotine. I just, you know Are you a cigar guy? Kinda bad. Cigar? I like a cigar.

1:11:37

Aaron

Cigars are gross.

1:11:38

Ian

Oh, no. Cigar is good. Cigar with a scotch? Living, man.

1:11:42

Aaron

Scotch is gross. Scotch gross. Tastes like a campfire.

1:11:48

Ian

Well, if you get bad scotch, that's true. But if you get good

1:11:51

Aaron

scotch All Scotch all scotch and all mezcal tastes like a charred end of a stick.

1:11:55

Ian

Now you get the Macallan goes that it's so sweet and delicious.

1:11:59

Aaron

Petey. It's too petey. No.

1:12:00

Ian

That's so good.

1:12:01

Aaron

I don't want petey.

1:12:01

Ian

Want the McAllen. That's great.

1:12:03

Aaron

And when I go when I go to a fan when I go to a fancy cocktail bar and they're like, we can make you a smoky old fashioned. I'm like, don't. I don't want that. Don't put my old fashioned in a little container and then smoke it and charge me an extra $4 for it. I don't want that.

1:12:16

Ian

I'm not a big fan of smoke, flavor and things. I tend to not like the PD smoky, scotches. But, I like the Glenlivet. It's okay. But the ones that are heavier or the ones that are more, like, chemically, I don't really care for.

1:12:29

But the Macallan is just so sweet. It's not even PB at all.

1:12:32

Aaron

You can bring some to Laricon and I'll try it, but I'm not, I'm not guaranteeing anything.

1:12:37

Ian

That's what we'll do.

1:12:38

Aaron

I wish I

1:12:38

Ian

had started up pre COVID. The, the going for like the good ones were like $200 bottle, 2.50. Now it's, like, 500. Like, no.

1:12:46

Aaron

Oh, okay. Don't bring it to Lyricon. I don't wanna

1:12:49

Ian

We'll we'll have we'll have some. I'll bring you a bottle. Okay. We'll sit and get drunk on the Macau. It'll be great.

1:12:55

Aaron

And we'll we'll throw in some zens and walk around and make some friends.

1:12:59

Ian

Here's your patch. We'll get we'll get zins. We'll get zins with our logo printed on them, and we could just be in denial.

1:13:08

Aaron

Can you imagine walking up to, like, an awesome group of smokers who are just, like, as cool as ever and be like, in a way, I am also smoking because I have a zen, So we're the same. Oh, this

1:13:20

Ian

is weird. They're totally taking over. It's so funny.

1:13:24

Aaron

Oh, man. Ian, read us out.

1:13:26

Ian

Oh, man. Oh, no. Wait. What's going on here? Things are happening.

1:13:30

Alright. I say we'll drop it there. Let's see. Get my little list of, things to read through. Alright.

1:13:39

Follow us on mostlytechnical.com, on the Twitter at mostly tech pod, and, email us at mostlytechnicalpodcast@gmail, and we will probably read it and, talk about it on the show. Thanks, everybody. Have a good week.

1:13:53

Aaron

See you.

1:13:54

Ian

See you.

Details
Show
Mostly Technical
Date
Feb 27, 2024
Role
Host
All podcasts
Podcasts
Newsletter

Every week: the best things I've found and what I've been thinking about.