Don't Be A Dummy

Ian

Hello?

Aaron

How we doing?

Ian

We are doing well.

Aaron

Yeah? Yes. Is anything contributing has anything contributing to the well or just an overall good life?

Ian

Overall good, I think. I do have a first big vacation in a while coming up.

Aaron

Okay. Where are you going?

Ian

My daughter every time when the kids turns 12, I think we might have talked about this, we do a big trip with them.

Aaron

Mhmm.

Ian

So her birthday's coming up. So we are doing Disney World, horse, equestrian stuff, and the beach all in Florida. So, it's gonna be bit of a trip, which we might have to do as soon as we go

Aaron

to Disney World. What? Yeah. You know what is what what Disney World is great for? Kids.

That's who should be going to Disney World.

Ian

Well, she has a kid, so that works.

Aaron

I know. It's perfect.

Ian

But to be

Aaron

fair, I love this too. Disney adult business. No. No. No.

No.

Ian

No. Producer Dave's a big Disney adult guy. You know? We already insulted producer.

Aaron

I know. I know. I think, Caleb's wife, Hannah,

Ian

is a

Aaron

big Disney adult. Yeah. I'm just Mhmm. I just don't get it. I don't get it.

But that'll be great. Great for a kid.

Ian

I've never gone as an adult by myself other than, like, when I was in my twenties probably, like, for a conference or something that did, like, the drink night drink thing at Yep. In Disneyland's. If you're not in Disney, I forgot what they call it, but it's, like, bars and restaurants and stuff. But it's, like, attached to Disney. It's, like, Disney Springs or something.

So did that. But I think that once the kids are out, I will still do Disney. Although it's gonna be tricky because Jamie is over Disney. She was fine when the kids were little, but she doesn't wanna party Disney anymore. So I'm gonna be myself.

Aaron

Stand your stand your ground.

Ian

I'm gonna be just be adult Disney. I'm gonna be by myself alone, 58 year old man in Disney.

Aaron

Listen. Be me. Listen. I'm all for just doing things, but going to Disney by yourself as a grown man alone. Oh, man.

Ian

Disney's so great, though. It's so perfect, and everything's clean. Everything's nice. I love Disney.

Aaron

You're gonna you're gonna have one person in the control room dedicated to watching you walk around the park on all the cameras. Like, uh-oh.

Ian

We got a solo dude.

Aaron

We gotta watch this weirdo.

Ian

I'm kinda surprised you're not a Disney guy.

Aaron

I think you're just

Ian

on your stick. No?

Aaron

No. No. Not really.

Ian

This feels cynical to me. I thought you're not you're not the cynical guy. It feels cynical that you're cynical about Disney.

Aaron

Oh, wow. That's like, it's like a second derivative or something. No. I don't know that I'm even cynical about it. I just don't wanna go.

I mean, it just it just feels like schlepping, you know? Like, I don't wanna go I don't wanna go walk around the hot park with a bunch of fried foods in my face and Mhmm. Wait in line for stuff.

Ian

They have a lot of good food, actually.

Aaron

It just feels it feels like 6 Flags. It's like, I don't really wanna go to 6 Flags.

Ian

Have you been to Disney?

Aaron

I went when I was a kid, and it was great because I was a kid.

Ian

Yeah.

Aaron

And then I went as an adult. Ernst and Young had their, like, you know, global intern conference there. And so we all went to Disney, and I went to, like, Harry Potter World, which was super fun. It was great.

Ian

Had a good time.

Aaron

It's close, though. Right? Isn't it universal?

Ian

Yeah. To Universal.

Aaron

It was great.

Ian

Wait. Were you in Disney or you were in universal or both?

Aaron

That time, I must have just been in universal.

Ian

Yeah. So that's a totally true thing. It was great.

Aaron

So it's So Disney still sucks. Universal's great.

Ian

I did a corporate thing at Universal too. This must be a universal thing with I don't think Disney does this where they, like, rent out the park. Universal does do it. Like, I was at a thing also where I, like, you were in Universal, and it was just some I forget what it was.

Aaron

There there's a 60% chance. I don't know the difference between Disney and Universal. But Apparently not. That's okay.

Ian

Yeah. So you're basing this all because it's not Disney is nothing like Six Flags. Let's just start there. It's nothing at all.

Aaron

Isn't it? Epcot Center and a bunch of bunch of people walking around with, like, you know, mouse ears on, eating fried cotton candy. Is that not Disney? That that's Disney.

Ian

Six Flags is, like, all about the roller coasters. You know? You're, like, there for roller coasters and funnel cake. Like, that is six flags. Disney is much broader than that.

There's all kinds of other stuff going on. It's not really about roller coasters at all. There are some roller coasters. There's no looping roller coasters at all. There's should be a few big roller coasters.

I'm not really a roller coaster guy, so it works. I'm finding my little boat rides. No. Small world. There's people singing.

There's little animatronics doing No. No. No. No. There's probably some command line tools in there doing command line stuff to run this whole thing.

Aaron

Now we're talking. Yeah. That's what I'm talking about. Yeah. Well, happy whatever.

Twelfth twelfth birthday? Happy twelfth. You know, you know, Friday is my birthday, Ian.

Ian

Oh, shoot. Really? Yep.

Aaron

There you go. Number '36.

Ian

Valentine's Day? I think we've

Aaron

Every year.

Ian

Right? Yeah. Yeah. Valentine's Day.

Aaron

Yep. Wow.

Ian

That's what my I think we're about to talk about this. So it's my, first date anniversary, which I consider the real anniversary, more than the wedding anniversary. So we are, yeah, we're going to do we're going to celebrate your birthday.

Aaron

That's nice of you. I

Ian

appreciate that. Type of thing. All that stuff.

Aaron

That's very nice.

Ian

So what are you doing for your birthday? What do you what do you say? Thirty six? Thirty '7?

Aaron

Thirty '6.

Ian

Okay.

Aaron

Old man, River. So I think for my birthday, one week from today, so next Monday, I will be checking into a hotel here in Dallas by myself.

Ian

Okay.

Aaron

And I'll I'm gonna go get I'm gonna go get a massage. Oh. Order some room service. I might you know what? I might play, like, a video game or something.

Ian

Oh, bring the PlayStation with you and hook it up to your hotel TV.

Aaron

No. I don't have a PlayStation. I might play I might play some Factorio. Alright. Mhmm.

I might play there's another game. I forget what it's called, but it's another, like, world building game. I might place I might play that.

Ian

Overnight or just hide out? Overnight. Yeah. Yeah. Are you gonna work?

Aaron

I'm gonna try not to.

Ian

Okay. Yeah. I like this. Are you going outside the city or downtown or.

Aaron

No downtown.

Ian

Okay.

Aaron

So I like the

Ian

sound of this.

Aaron

I'll come here on on Monday, record with you, give the people what they want, and then head out to the hotel and have a nice little staycation.

Ian

Look at that.

Aaron

Isn't that nice?

Ian

Clear the brain. I like that.

Aaron

Yeah. Jennifer came in the other day and was like, so for your birthday, what do you think if you just go to a hotel by yourself? I was like,

Ian

that sounds amazing. How about yes?

Aaron

Yeah. I love that idea. So that's the plan.

Ian

That's why we gotta get you into poker because poker, you get some built in things like that. It's like you're going to play poker.

Aaron

Yeah. You're gonna spend

Ian

the night. You're gonna stay up late. You can get a little little it's sort of like a staycation. You're not rested after is the downside, but you're, like, exhausted out

Aaron

there. Yeah. You you're not rested. You're broke, and you smell like smoke. But other than that, it seems awesome.

Ian

No. You don't smell

Aaron

like smoke.

Ian

There's no more smoke getting in there. No smoke.

Aaron

Yeah. We used to be a country. You know? What is this? It's unbelievable.

Maybe I'll you have been posting a lot of, pictures of fat stacks on poker. People love

Ian

the fat stacks.

Aaron

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Ian

Yeah. Not bad.

Aaron

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Ian

It was very smooth.

Aaron

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Ian

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Aaron

We are.

Ian

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Aaron

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Ian

Sounds familiar to me.

Aaron

He d m'd me after the last episode and was like, hey. It's fun to hear, you know, my name. And I was like, I'm sorry. We didn't talk about Snap Shooter at all. What are you saying?

And he's got a new business. Back at least.

Ian

So It's Snap Shooter. That's the old thing.

Aaron

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Ian

Yeah. Very

Aaron

cool. Are you rich?

Ian

No. Not yet. But from not in poker anyway, but I'm working.

Aaron

Okay. So what's the deal? You played in tournaments or what?

Ian

No. No. No. Tournaments. Just, like, occasionally, you know, not every week, but, you know, every third week, I've been going to, play some potluck in Omaha on Fridays.

Friday, I do. We have we have afternoons off on Fridays at UserScape. So All year? Yeah. All year.

Aaron

Oh, that's amazing.

Ian

And, this week, I actually switched it, and I worked in the afternoon. But, anyway, after work at some point, I will go to play, PLO. And, it's been going pretty good. I would start off super hot, like, the end of last year and this year, and I was just, like, crushing. Then I had a couple couple, setbacks there where I had losing sessions.

Got righted the ship. Nice little winning session this week. So, yeah, it's good. It's fun. Portland, Omaha, definitely the best game to play if you're into poker, if you're willing to study up a little bit.

That's where all the degenerates are now. See Yeah. You can't play no limit anymore. Everybody's too good at it. Everybody's too trained.

Yeah. All the, like they're 22, and they're just, like, a little mini computer.

Aaron

Bunch of quants. Yeah.

Ian

All the odds and stuff. I mean, whatever. I can hang with those guys if I have to, but I don't you're not, like, winning a lot of money in that scenario because, like, you are just So

Aaron

are all the rubes playing pot limit Omaha?

Ian

You wanna be in with the rubes. You wanna be

Aaron

in Yeah.

Ian

More with with the gamblers, even people who know what they're doing, but they're they're a little bit more gambly.

Aaron

Right.

Ian

Because the pot limit in Omaha, you can't it's not so easily solved, and it's definitely not pretty much impossible to memorize. So, like, you have to just go with more broader stroke rules because, like, in no limit, there's, like, the number starting hands is, like, 1,600 or something like that. And in problem in Omaha, the number starting hands is, like, 280,000 or something. So, you know, there's a lot of different you just can't memorize everything the way you kinda know limits, which, you know, the the computer guys don't love because they wanna just know the answers. Right?

Like, you wanna give yourself the best odds, and the, you know, rubes slash, gambler types don't wanna play against the super computer guys because they know they're just right outmatched. So in PLO it's more even, you know, it's one of these things where like you're more likely to win. But over the long term, you're also much more likely to lose, I would say, if you're not studied up because, you know, the odds get you eventually. It just takes longer. Right.

So oh, no. It's fun. Four cards. You see a lot of flops. It's more entertaining than the loop.

You have to fold a lot if you're playing right, and folding's boring.

Aaron

Folding is boring.

Ian

The gambler

Aaron

is boring. Yeah.

Ian

Yeah. Nobody likes folding.

Aaron

Nobody likes folding.

Ian

Yeah. Yeah. So there you go. We gotta get you in the pot limit, Omaha.

Aaron

I don't know. I I will play I will play Hold'em. Hold'em's fun. I don't I don't think I'm gonna learn a new a new game, though.

Ian

It doesn't take long.

Aaron

When we have mostly technical comp, we can have a little we can have a little night of, gambling.

Ian

Oh, yeah. We gotta do it in a city that's got got a casino, so we no no doubt.

Aaron

We could do it in, we could do it in Oklahoma. We could go to Choctaw.

Ian

There we go. I've never been there. Every time I go to a new casino, bring home a $5 chip. I got my big collection of chips.

Aaron

Oh, that's fun.

Ian

Yeah. It's a fun little thing. So I got them from all over the world. I got my chips. So I have I always mean to right now, they're in a mug.

I need to

Aaron

Gotta turn that into art, man.

Ian

Yeah. I gotta build, like, a display or something, but I don't know. Alright. So it's big it's a big Aaron Francis week, though. Let's not Is it?

It's a big Aaron Francis week.

Aaron

Oh, wow. Alright.

Ian

Traveling. You had Mhmm. Today is Fusion release day.

Aaron

Yeah. Built it today was was fusion release day.

Ian

Oh, okay. Okay. It was because you already did it, or it was because it didn't get I'm not doing it until Friday. Yeah. Oh, man.

I know. Well, I guess it's less of a big error for Francis week. But we are

Aaron

Still same week. Same week.

Ian

Same week.

Aaron

Still counts. Yeah. Okay. So traveling home, traveling home was fine. Got back.

Mhmm. Everyone was sick at home, which was part of part of the reason we're pushing fusion release day. Just came home to an infirmity ward. And so my my oldest son had flu a and flu b and a sinus infection. And then my oldest daughter got the flu.

Our au pair got the flu, but she just kept working because she's German. She's like, I'm fine. She's not too. Yeah. And then so I come home and, like, you know, everybody's sick.

I'm exhausted. It's a mess. But everybody's well now, so everybody's we're we're all good. Back back to our feet.

Ian

Do you find this? Because I've had a similar thing this week where, I just feel like whenever I go somewhere, like, shit happens at home, you know, like, just inevitable. And, like, so this week, I went to play poker Friday night. So I'm gonna spend the night at the place because I'm gonna be up late. Whatever.

And, like, literally an hour in, Jamie messaged me that she sliced her finger open with a knife cutting carrots or whatever. She'd go into the thing, get stitches. Yep. You know? Max is on his way home from school.

Like, you know, and it was all fine, and I didn't actually have to go back or whatever. But it's just, like, there's always

Aaron

Every single time.

Ian

Happens. It's never just like, oh, we sat around and everything was fine. It's always like

Aaron

Yep.

Ian

Something some drama some drama happens. But,

Aaron

anyway, everybody's sick. Every time I'm about to go out of town, Jennifer and I joke that, like, we don't believe in the universe, but, like, hopefully, the universe doesn't get everyone sick again because it happens every single time, and it happened again this time. So, yeah, I got home. Everybody's well. So then, like, you know, Thursday, I did not catch it this time.

I know. I know. Baby. Got lucky. Right.

So then Thursday, Friday were less productive than I would have hoped. And then, of course, weekends are just out of out of the question. So, I, late last night, was still working and decided, you know what? I can just push it to Friday. That's not the worst thing that has ever happened.

Ian

I think it'll be fine.

Aaron

It'll be totally fine. Nobody's gonna care.

Ian

Nobody's gonna care.

Aaron

And I thought, well, I'll just push it to Tuesday, and I thought, woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. No.

No.

Ian

No. No. No. Don't do that.

Aaron

Don't do that. Don't be a dummy.

Ian

Don't be a dummy. Give yourself give yourself a few days.

Aaron

So I'm pushing it to Friday. It'll coincide with my birthday. So, yeah, it'll be good. There

Ian

you go. Birthday release date helps follow until my birthday. So

Aaron

Yeah. Good

Ian

luck in the birthday release date.

Aaron

Good luck. Yes. So I've been writing just furiously writing documentation. And then as you do, you're, like, writing documentation and you're making notes like, oh, be sure to look out for this thing. And then you're like, what if I just made that thing go away?

Like, what if it's just that thing was just better? Right. And so then you go back and change the implementation. And so it is a refining process that is valuable, but it is not, like, just super straightforward. You know?

Ian

I have to say I've never written documentation, I would say. Like, I've written documentation for my product, but it feels different than open source documentation. You know? There's something different about open source documentation, like, just the big thing with all the docs and things. Yes.

Like, I don't know. That's a big that's one of the things that keeps me from open source, like, in terms of writing a thing. Like, it's like, oh, documentation.

Aaron

I I enjoy I enjoy writing the documentation. You

Ian

like the documentation.

Aaron

I do. I like writing I like writing documentation.

Ian

Mhmm.

Aaron

And I do like if I can't explain it well enough or easily enough in the docs, then the implementation is just bad. And I find that to be, like, a forcing function.

Ian

Are you going doc sites, or are you going to, right now, docs in the

Aaron

Just GitHub repo.

Ian

Yeah. Okay.

Aaron

So I'm trying to keep I'm trying to keep my eye on on the goal here, which is release the thing. And so just GitHub repo for now. And then I've got, Will King who did all the logos for the actual, open source stuff. I've got him working on, touching up the AaronFrancis.com redesign so that then we can push everything there. So

Ian

Okay.

Aaron

All all docs for all projects will go there, articles, podcasts, everything.

Ian

Right.

Aaron

So that's in the works, but I'm I have this bad habit of, like, I can't do anything until I do everything. And so I'm trying, like, every day trying to overcome that by saying, no. You can just put it all in the GitHub. Read me.

Ian

And it'll be fine. And it'll be fine.

Aaron

It'll be totally fine.

Ian

Yeah. So a lot of big projects work that way where it's just a huge whatever. It's a giant file. As long as you have, like, maybe, like, a little table of contents or, like, some kind of organization there, you can kind of jump to where you need to be. Yep.

I think you'd be alright.

Aaron

Yeah. I think it'll be totally fine. So that's coming on Friday, documentation and everything. The thing I'm working on right now is, like, just the bare minimum tests to ensure that once it's out there, I don't go backwards. Like, there's still gonna be a lot of tests that need to be written.

Mhmm. But I just wanna ensure that the critical paths work and stay working. Yeah. So that's kinda that's kinda where I got hung up last night was it's a it's a relatively complicated thing to test because it's got, it's got a PHP angle or a PHP component, a Vue component and a Vite component. And so, like, you really do need to build like, you need to have a Vue component that you run through Vite, and then you test kind of in the browser to make sure that the whole thing is working.

And so getting that test harness set up was kind of a nightmare.

Ian

So are you doing, like, a dusk thing, or are you via your own thing? Okay.

Aaron

Yeah. I'll do a dusk thing. But the way that I'm gonna do it is I'm gonna have a full Laravel application inside of the package that doesn't ship. Like, when you compose or require it, it's get ignore get attribute ignored. But that way, I can have, like, a Vue application, a React application Right.

And maybe a Svelte one. And I can run all the tests inside that application rather than inside the package test directory, if that makes sense. So then I can install view 3.7 and run the test, view 3.8 and run the tests and not have to worry about, like, polluting the whole package area. So, yeah, kinda weird, like, just the amount of stuff that needs to be tested. But it just lends itself very nicely to, like, I guess, what would be called an integration test where you just, like, see if the thing works.

And if it works, hey. It works. And that's kinda where you wanna be. Yeah. Yeah.

Ian

Exactly. The right thing to the brow hose or you're probably okay.

Aaron

Yeah. Exactly.

Ian

So so, since we last talked, it was like you just stepped off the stage, and I was there waiting

Aaron

for you.

Ian

What what's the feedback, Ben, that you had a chance to, like, assimilate the Internet's, viewing of it? I assume there's people on Twitter and whatnot. Like, what's

Aaron

the word

Ian

on the street?

Aaron

Word on the street is overwhelmingly positive except for parts of Reddit and some YouTube comments, which tracks with, like, the sentiment of the Internet as a whole. So I think the people that get it really, like, are very excited about it. They look at they look at it and they see, like, a kinda like a souped up inertia, and they're like, yeah. This makes perfect sense to me. The people that don't get it look at it and say, why are you putting like, why are you using PHP as a templating language when you also have Vue right there next to it?

Ian

And I'm

Aaron

like, I'm actually not. Like, PHP is not a templating. It makes no sense for it to be a templating language.

Ian

It is It is a templating language, but you're using it that way in this case. Yes.

Aaron

It is the controller. That's basically what it is. It's like you're writing the controller next to the view. And so, of course, that means single responsibility people are like, oh, you're breaking. It's a violation of SRP.

And I'm like, I don't super care about that.

Ian

People are out there. They're Patterned. Looking for you.

Aaron

Yes. They're out with their patterned torch or torch, whatever. Yeah. Pitch works. And pitch works.

There you go. And what are the other criticisms? The single file thing was a big criticism. Like, you're supposed to have separation of concerns. And I think that's about it.

The people that are excited about it, they're very they're very excited about it. Lots of people are like, this will bring me over to Laravel. I can finally, like, leave next. So stuff like that is Okay. Very exciting to me.

Because that to me, that is That's

Ian

who you're after. Yeah.

Aaron

That is who I'm after. I'm not after I'm not after Livewire people. I'm not after, you know, plain blade people. I'm after next and next people. People that are like, I like the, I like the ability to just kinda seamlessly reach into the back end of the application, but then when you get back there, it's just an empty warehouse.

And so I that's the people I'm after is like, hey. You can do that over here. And then when you get back there, you've got all these affordances that you can use. And so my goal is to siphon off, next, honestly, next mostly, Next. Js people.

Ian

Can you? I never bothered to look into this. So a little tangent. What the hell is the difference between next and next?

Aaron

Boy, these people with their names, man. Next and next. It's like, come on, y'all. Vue and React. That's it.

Ian

Oh, okay.

Aaron

Next is a React meta framework, and Nuxt is a Vue meta framework.

Ian

But they're the like, is it conceptually the same just using React and Vue, or they're actually quite different? I don't know. Port of the other?

Aaron

I don't know if one is a port or I don't I don't know about that. But, fundamentally, I think they're solving the same problem for different audiences. Yeah.

Ian

Okay. I want that's the most I wanna know about

Aaron

that. I don't

Ian

wanna know anything more than that.

Aaron

Yeah.

Ian

Okay.

Aaron

Yeah. That sounds good. Yeah. People are very excited.

Ian

Okay.

Aaron

I'm very excited about the reception. I'm I I think it is the reception so that is a good thing.

Ian

Hold on. I wanna go deeper I wanna go deeper for a second into the Anne Francis mindset.

Aaron

Oh, wow.

Ian

So you're on there cruising the Internet.

Aaron

Yeah. Always.

Ian

See, two good posts, one negative post. Two good posts, one negative post. Right? Whatever. Something like that.

Do the negative posts outweigh the good posts to you? Are you able to put them in their place and be like, no. People there's overwhelming positivity here. I'm gonna latch on to that. Or are you or is it weighing you down those negative posts?

Aaron

In fact, they are not weighing me down at all.

Ian

Oh, very good.

Aaron

I know. So I like it. It's the this is a little bit different, I think, because many of the negative posts clearly missed what was actually happening. And so that's easy to write off and be like, oh, okay. Well, that's not how it works.

So I don't care about that.

Ian

Yeah. Different. Right. Yeah.

Aaron

Great. Good luck. Have fun. That's not my problem. Yeah.

So those are easy. The people that are, like, that do understand what it does but hate it, I'm fine with that. Totally fine with that. Doesn't bother me whatsoever. The things that, like, really bums me out is when I do a course and people come in and are like, this guy has no idea what he's talking about.

And I'm like, yes, I do. Like or, like, oh, this is just another course boy trying to get a grift. And I'm like, I mean, those people exist, but that's not that's not me. Those are the ones that are like, oh, this kinda sucks. But, you know, clean coder, uncle Bob, people being like, this violates SRP.

I could care. Could not care less.

Ian

Alright. Very good. I like it. Yeah. That's a good skill.

If you're gonna be open source on the Internet, you gotta be all that that stuff Oh, I know. Run off a little bit.

Aaron

I know. I take I take historical encouragement from Taylor and Adam because nobody liked Laravel and everyone hated Tailwind, and it's like, who cares? They're great. Who cares?

Ian

Yeah. Yeah. They won in the end.

Aaron

Yes. Exactly.

Ian

Okay. Oh, let's, stop here for a quick second and thank sponsor to the show, Moonbase Labs. They're the rocket fuel for your Laravel project to reach escape velocity. Houston, we have a solution at MoonbaseLabs.com. Thank you to them for sponsoring the show.

Aaron

Thank you, Moonbase Labs.

Ian

Okay. So what else is going on with fusion? Do we have other fusion topics you're you're releasing Friday?

Aaron

Releasing Friday. Things are going okay.

Ian

Documenting. Yeah.

Aaron

Yep. I'm in I'm enjoying it. I'm having I'm having a lot of fun. It's a good, it's a good outlet. Love love the programming.

Yeah, I think that might be it on fusion.

Ian

Do we have, what about courses and stuff like that? Or is there is Steve getting antsy for the return of Aaron Francis to the course creation board?

Aaron

No. Because, Steve is Steve is currently working on, recording his own courses for screencasting. So he is recording the, editor or, yeah, editor specific courses

Ian

Mhmm.

Aaron

For the three or four or five major editors, however many we end up doing. Yeah. So he's working on those now. And then before before February is over, I will have my portion of screencasting rerecorded. Mhmm.

So the whole thing will be fresh. And so, yeah, by the end of this month, we'll have Screencasting.com souped up, ready to go with three or four new courses, one redo, new site. It'll be we'll be, we'll be cooking on that one. So no. He's Did you say you're

Ian

gonna have it done by the February?

Aaron

Yes.

Ian

Okay. That seems that seems fast.

Aaron

Seems smart. Oh, what did you say? Did you say fast?

Ian

I said fast. Yeah.

Aaron

Smart. Yeah. So, the good news is this course is already done. I've already recorded this course twice. Right?

And so now it's just a matter of, watching it, rerecording it with new and updated knowledge and tips, tricks, and stuff like that. So the the thing that is quite easy for me is to redo a course. The thing that is very difficult is to write the content from scratch the first time. And so this will be this will be very easy. I imagine it'll take me, frankly, a week or two just because I've already written and recorded everything twice.

Good. So I'm not I'm not worried about that timeline.

Ian

Do you have eighteen days left?

Aaron

Yeah. But this week's kind of a loss because it's fusion week. So let's just knock that down

Ian

to Yeah. We got fourteen days

Aaron

left. Yeah. We got fourteen days left, which that fits in perfectly. That's my two weeks. Yeah.

Alright. That's great. I see no problems with that.

Ian

How's the other course going? The the the rails SQLite for rails. I forget the name.

Aaron

That will launch probably next week.

Ian

Okay. So Yeah. You announced it. This video. Right?

There wasn't there, like, a release video coming?

Aaron

Yep. Yeah. Yep. And he But it's not actually author no. Not yet.

Okay. The good news, the the nice experience about that one is by the time we announced it, all the videos were recorded. And so it's just been, like, pretty easy.

Ian

The Not just in the

Aaron

author has been doing the rounds on, Ruby podcasts, and so he's out there doing interviews and and doing that kind of stuff. And then we've gotten it edited, and I think, Steven, the the author, is watching all of the videos back now for any edit mistakes or anything like that. And then we should be good to go. Nice. Yeah.

Ian

I I went to TryHard Studios to just pick out the name while you were talking, and there's there's no there's nothing on there. There's no

Aaron

Oh, there's

Ian

There's no links there to your courses.

Aaron

No. Very little on TryHard Studios. Yeah. Yeah. John Drexler gave a talk at Laracon EU and put our logo on there.

He said, hey. I, I went to tryhardstudios.com and was gonna grab your logo, and it's just it's just text. It does. Right? Yeah.

No. There's no logo. It was just, like, interior aerial versus do. That is yes. That is the goal.

So we're still, you know, we're still making the empire cohesive.

Ian

Mhmm.

Aaron

But we're move we're moving forward regardless.

Ian

Okay. Alright. What else is in Aaron France this week? We had TUI testing. Now I thought you testing.

I thought you built a thing, but it seems like you didn't really build a thing. You kind of just built a little thing for yourself, but it's not a package you are releasing. Or maybe

Aaron

I did build a thing. Now the shape of that thing may be different than what you were expecting, but I definitely built a thing.

Ian

You did build a

Aaron

It's a good it's a good thing. It is good.

Ian

So I like it better than the twoies themselves, to be honest.

Aaron

It's unbelievable, these twoies. Solo has its own GitHub organization now, and I think there's definitely room to pull this out into a standalone package. But what it does is it, like, it automates the running of the underlying process and, like, feeds in input and makes assertions about output and the whole you can watch the whole thing happen. And so it's very, very cool.

Ian

Yeah.

Aaron

And, yeah, I think I could pull it out. I think there are maybe a few packages I could pull out of solo and make them kind of the standalone packages to increase the surface area of that empire. Yeah. And the testing the testing would be one of them, and then the ANSI screen, like, buffer thing

Ian

Right.

Aaron

Would definitely be another. So, yeah, pulling at some point, pulling those out, make offering them as, like, installable packages, is is on the road map, but not there yet.

Ian

Yeah. That seems like a bit of a project, actually. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe not.

But it feels

Aaron

like It's definitely a bit of a project. I don't know if it's worth it, but it's definitely something.

Ian

Yeah.

Aaron

But I feel good. Like, I feel like, you know, having having fusion more or less out there, I'm not, like, in secret anymore working on stuff. And so even that one, I, like, recorded it and edited it myself and published it that day. It was like, great. I've got, like, I've got to do more of these.

And now it's just like, hey. Whenever whenever inspiration strikes, just make a new video. And I put the whole thing on Twitter for the first time and then also publish it on YouTube. Just trying to, like, lower lower the bar or the barrier of, like, every YouTube video has to have, you know, a hook and a payoff and an open loop and just be like, no. No.

No. That creates a ton of pressure to make YouTube videos, and then I end up not making them. Right. And so now it's just like, if I see something cool, do something cool, have an idea, let's just make a video and put it out there. And let's focus let's focus on momentum, and we can tinker at the margins on on, like, strategy later.

Ian

I wonder if there's, like, more of, like, like a template you can use to them so you don't have to like overthink so you can integrate the key part that sort of make YouTube videos work without like every time sort of reinventing the wheel on it. You know what I mean? Like, I'm gonna start them this way. Always I'm gonna end them this way always. I'm gonna have a certain point in the middle I always do.

Like, whatever. I don't know the right things, but, like, like, in that mister beast thing that he released to Doc. Right. I think you read the right like, the key is, like, this is our strategy and whatever. So you had something like that to, like, guide you, but, like, to also let you move quickly versus, like, literally scripting it and editing it and, like, then recording it and editing it.

Well, you know, so it's like, yeah, that becomes, like, obviously a much more complicated and time consuming thing when you have these things that are lighter and you don't really care about, like

Aaron

The the last

Ian

super polished.

Aaron

The last two that I've done, I started immediate with no preamble or anything, started immediately showing the screen and being like, this is look at this. This is what I'm gonna show you. Isn't this cool? Right. And then shown a little bit of that and then pulled back and been like, hey.

Here's what we're doing. Now let's get into it for real. Yeah. Yeah. Better than starting with the preamble of, like, here's what we're doing.

Just say, like, open basically in first, like, half second, I'm already talking about like, I'm mid sentence, basically. So, yeah, I'll keep that going because I feel like that is a little bit more engaging. It's also easy like, it's an easy way to start for me.

Ian

Yep.

Aaron

But, yeah, the goal the goal is just publish more things, and so we gotta get gotta get that train moving.

Ian

I know. Your goal is a hundred videos.

Aaron

I know.

Ian

You're on, like, five, so we gotta get moving.

Aaron

I know. And it's already, you know, February 10, and this week is shot. So there goes that week. So what we know what am I gonna do? This week.

Maybe a video Maybe I will. I probably will. I I probably will.

Ian

Will or some kind of fusion video. You can kind of another fusion video at the end. Right?

Aaron

Oh, there's gonna be yeah. There's gonna be a lot of fusion videos.

Ian

Yeah. So you need some of that stuff. You watch severance? No. I know.

Good. Good this week.

Aaron

I know that the only thing that's keeping us from having, like, a fun pop culture podcast is that I don't consume any pop culture. But other than that,

Ian

it would be desperately trying to drive you into it. Yeah. I want I want to turn this into a pop culture podcast. I know. Literally impossible.

I can't get did you watch the Super Bowl? How about the Super Bowl?

Aaron

Not a minute. Not a minute.

Ian

Oh my goodness. Nope. Boy, I can't

Aaron

even work

Ian

with you on this stuff. You got nothing for me. Just zero.

Aaron

We Jennifer was like, after we got the kids down, you know so first of all, kids we don't get done putting kids down till, like, 07:15, seven thirty. By that time, it's 08:30 eastern. I think the game started at, what, five eastern?

Ian

You don't even know how lucky you are, man. When those 07:30 bedtimes end Yeah.

Aaron

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know. Then brace it.

Ian

Love it. Enjoy it.

Aaron

Oh, I I do.

Ian

Suck it in.

Aaron

I do. It's great. It's great. I love it.

Ian

It's so good. It's so

Aaron

good. So put the kids down.

Ian

Yes. The game started at 06:30.

Aaron

It's now 07:30 central

Ian

It's a long time.

Aaron

Eastern. And Jennifer's like, hey. Should we put the game on just for, like, vibes? I'm sure. That sounds great.

And I pull up the Apple TV, and I just kinda stare at it. And I'm like, yep. We have no way to I I don't know. Can't turn it on. No way to watch

Ian

it again.

Aaron

No way. I'm like, great. Let's watch Friends reruns. And so we did, and then I went and got back to work.

Ian

So don't, no YouTube TV?

Aaron

No YouTube TV.

Ian

Mhmm. Yeah. You're hosed then. You got nothing?

Aaron

We're hosed. Pay pay for everything else, but YouTube TV's, like, $80 a month.

Ian

I know. It's crazy. And then we still pay for all this other stuff. But it's the only way to watch. If you wanna watch live sports, that's where they get you.

That's the last thing you have to pay for is live sports. So if you ever wanna watch live sports, you kind of have to have YouTube TV or cable or whatever, but it's so annoying. The internet was supposed to, I don't even know what I pay for. I don't know what we're using. Then I cancel some, but then I need to rebuy it because there's something we actually wanna use it for.

Then I gotta cancel it again. I just wanna

Aaron

Oh, this brings us cable.

Ian

I just wanna buy everything in one place.

Aaron

This brings us back to a story point that I need to follow-up with you on. Oh. Before we do, this podcast is brought to you by Bento. Bento is the email service provider that we use at TryHard Studios to send marketing and transactional emails. Find out more at bentonow.com.

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Ian

Good friends of the show.

Aaron

Good friends of the show. Here's my here's my callback question. Monarch budgeting, are you still using it?

Ian

We are.

Aaron

Tell me about this budgeting tool.

Ian

Okay. You're you're still are you thinking about getting into the game?

Aaron

I'm I'm observing from the sidelines. I'll I'll be honest. I signed up for Monarch and then was like, I don't think this is it, and then canceled. Yeah. Yeah.

So you're still using it?

Ian

I'm still using it. Yeah. We still use it. I I mean, I do hate budgeting, so I don't like it. But it's still clearly the best of the budgeting apps in my opinion.

K. And I think we used all the big ones. So I don't know. The interface is modern enough. So far, it's been reliable.

We haven't had any, like, weird, seen missed things or stuff went off the rails. The only thing I don't like, which is obviously the screen you kinda use most, it's a transaction screen. Yeah. It's like go to the transactions and categorize them and whatever. And it just defaults to showing you all the the transactions, which is what all of them do.

And I don't understand why because, like, when I go to the transaction screen, the default is I wanted to see the things I haven't reconciled.

Aaron

Yes. Same.

Ian

Right? Like, that's what I wanna see. All of them just show you all the transactions. And then you have to, like, go to some this menu and, like, whatever. It's not a huge deal, but it's annoying.

Because, like, I never wanna go there and look at the list of transactions. I always just wanna see the unreconciled transaction. But okay. But, otherwise, it's pretty good. You can have rules and auto categorize stuff, which is okay.

Again, this isn't really a monarch thing. It's just like whatever. Oh, there's a bunch of Amazons. I don't know. You know?

It doesn't know what they were for, like, whatever. So you still have to do all that. But yeah. No. I do like it.

The mobile app's decent. I think the transaction entry is good. Sucking in from all the apps seems to be working and is good. And, yeah. Has budgeting been useful?

I would say slightly. It's helped with some expense control in certain spots. So I think it's okay. Journey's still out a little bit, but,

Aaron

I like it. Still using it.

Ian

I'm still using it. So we're a

Aaron

couple months in, I guess. So pretty big endorsement.

Ian

Yeah. Still using it. Do like it. I also signed up for another app. I don't know.

Did we talk about this? What's it called? Was it wanderlog? Yeah. Wanderlog.

Wanderlog? Yeah. So, like, I have to come in and I don't like when all the trip stuff is just, like, in an email. So I usually, like, pull it out and, like, create, like, a note page or something, but that's kind of annoying. So this is an app that just tracks your trip stuff.

You could, like, forward to emails and whatever. So we're gonna see how it goes. So for the big Disney trip and ancillary stuff around it, I was like, alright. There's, like, a ton of moving parts. We got, like, three different hotels we're staying in.

We got a rental car, all this stuff. So I gotta use this tool, see if that helps with that. I also have, like, a summer trip being planned and stuff like that. So so far so good. I haven't used it in angry yet.

Like, it's all set up, and it seems to be Right. Good, but I haven't been on the trip with it yet. So we'll be on this trip in March, and I'll see how it goes. But, yeah, it's pretty cool. I'd say it's pretty good.

Aaron

The first, the first, like, startup I worked for did this exact same thing.

Ian

Oh.

Aaron

They were a consumer trip planner thing, Traxo. They've gone they've since gone upmarket. I don't think they've done very well. But it's a very, a very appealing idea. Just forward it everything.

Trip It used to be the good one. Right?

Ian

Trip It. That's the other one. Yeah. Yeah. But, it didn't do something.

I think I looked at it before I went wander log, and

Aaron

and there was something weird with that. Way yeah. Way long in the tooth at this point.

Ian

Yeah. Maybe that was just that, but there was there was something a little off with it. But,

Aaron

that Wanderlog looks pretty cool.

Ian

One weird thing is wanderlog's logo and monarch's logo are identical, so it's a little weird. Like, they have them next to each other.

Aaron

They really are.

Ian

They're, like, literally identical butterfly abstract butterfly things. And so I'm almost like, which one is this? And then, you know, whatever. But it is very weird. I'm like, how can this be?

But it is beep.

Aaron

Yeah. That's the that that idea of keeping it all in an app is nice. Because when I was traveling to Amsterdam, I was definitely looking through emails and, like you know, I'm at the gate and, like, oh, shoot. Where's the freaking I gotta find the thing. Yeah.

Your white number.

Ian

It's all different apps and everything. It's all my confirmation numbers, all my everything in one app. I know I can go there and just get it, and it's all right there. So, hopefully it's useful. And I was on the free thing, but then to send it like a random attachment email, not like you could send it like a hotel or car for free in the free plan, but not if you have just other stuff.

And I think I had like the Disney confirmation email and stuff to love like that. I was like, whatever. I'm just gonna upgrade. They got me. I'm gonna pay $39.

Gotcha. Send this app this random attachment in and, does whatever. Obviously, the pro thing gives you some other stuff. So, yeah. So we'll see how it goes, but I'm I'm liking it so far.

So that's another new app that's in the fold.

Aaron

Getting so much better with all the, AI stuff because now the AI can read the receipt.

Ian

Right. That was

Aaron

one of that was our big problem at Trexo. It was like Yep. What does this receipt say?

Ian

Right. What does

Aaron

it have to do with a trip? And it was it was very difficult.

Ian

Yeah. Every time the hotel updates its email slightly in your regex break

Aaron

Exactly.

Ian

Now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yep.

I didn't know you did that. Look at that.

Aaron

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Ian

That does seem like there should be I would think about that quite a bit of, like, what are things like that where, like, AI would be cool little side project or yeah. Where, like, it can read stuff now. It can read emails. It can read things. Like, there's gotta be new new categories of tools out there for this where, like, yeah, doing you could do it before with a million regexes and, obviously, then it would not work well and everybody would hate it.

But I would think chat g p t is gonna be pretty good at, like, pulling out a confirmation number Oh, yeah. Or those kind of things. So yeah. This thing had the wanderlog thing has, like, an AI assistant, which I actually haven't even used. But I was gonna ask it a few things to see how it did just to test it out and see if it's really cool.

But, yeah, it's cool. You can, like, send a link, like, if you're this is just me and my daughter on this trip. But it's, like, for the summer vacation, it's, like, my brother and my cousin. So, like, I could send them things so they can access it, and they could have access to everything and blah blah blah blah blah. So if you're planning, like, a multi person trip, that's kind of cool.

Aaron

Nice. Yeah. I like that. Yep. Offline access.

Good. Good for them. That's very smart. We need more apps like this.

Ian

I like I like these kind of, like, quasi unit tasker apps.

Aaron

Yeah. This is good. This is a good app.

Ian

Yeah. Like, the design is good. UI's been good. So, yeah, it's the first new app I've Monarch and that are, like, the new apps I've added into the fold in the last year or two and, I mean, in both just in the last few months. And it's pretty good.

Pretty good. I like the I do like that kind of idea of, like I don't know. I was I always think about those kind of apps, like, well, it'd be cool. It'd be, like, kinda less stressful, but then it's not really because it's like, boy, if

Aaron

you like to run one? Like, you an owner of one. Yeah.

Ian

Right. But if you mess up somebody's vacation, they can't if you're down and they're, like, on vacation, like, I need my confirmation code and you're offline, like, that's probably pretty stressful. So Yeah. Yeah. Everything's stressful.

If you're gonna run a SaaS, it's all

Aaron

Everything's stressful, man. Everything is stressful. There's there's no free lunch. Yeah. There's no you're gonna build any apps with, PHP?

Any native iOS apps with PHP?

Ian

I am not gonna do that. But Got any ideas? That it exists. No. I have no desire to do that.

I mean, that would be like a I'd have to, like, be retired or something, and I'm like, I'm just gonna futz around on this iOS app. Like Yeah. IOS. I mean, it's like, woah. Let me do something that's more competitive than help the software.

Oh, how about an iOS app? Like, there's only 14,000,000,000 of them in every single category. Like so, yeah, I don't know. I'm trying to get away from the app. Like, I'm trying to make a future version of HubSpot here where, like, it's just a progressive web app, and we get rid of our mobile apps, which are annoying to maintain and Mhmm.

Nobody's ever happy with. So, yeah, trying to go the other way. But it is cool. Like, I would, if I was going to build an iOS app, I would probably start with this if it continues to be a thing and it actually works out. The native PHP program is what we're talking about, project.

But so it's it would be definitely cool to just be able to, like, bam, throw something together and have it work and with all the stuff I know already without, yeah, going down that whole rabbit hole. But, yeah. I don't know. What about you? You that sounds like a total Aaron Francis thing.

Like, oh, man. I got an iOS app for something.

Aaron

I don't have any ideas yet. I think I think it does open up a new, a new vector for ideas. Yeah. I'm curious to see, you know, the first, like, three to six months of people using it, you know, how far it goes and what they discover and stuff like that. So I will let the whole thing settle a little bit.

But, yeah, it's very interesting, and I think it it could be it could be a fun experiment to, like, build I would I think the only thing I would probably build ever for mobile is a companion app for something else. Right. I don't think I would go pure, like, mobile play. But now the like, if you have a SaaS and you could build a companion app with similar tooling pretty quickly, that seems kinda cool to me.

Ian

Yeah. Yeah. I make, try hard studios course watcher app.

Aaron

There you go. That

Ian

would make sense. Like,

Aaron

it makes sense.

Ian

Especially if you get, like, some point you have some sort of all inclusive plan or subscription where you just get all the courses or whatever, something like that. Yeah. What so this we didn't talk about this last week. What did you see anything else there? So native PHP, any other talks at Larracont, EU that tickled your fancy?

I don't know how much you got to watch, but

Aaron

I didn't get to watch too many, because I was, you know, frantic.

Ian

Right.

Aaron

But John John Rudolf Drexler's about product or project management, his was quite good. Of course, Jess's on, Night Watch was really interesting. It's gonna be so good.

Ian

This is like Nightwatch.

Aaron

I feel like I'm more

Ian

excited about Nightwatch than the cloud, to be honest with you. Like, it just seems like it's so far out. It's like level cloud is, like, the obvious thing. Right? It's like we do forge.

We'll do level cloud. It makes total sense. Like, I've expected this forever. Right? Like, so okay.

It's gonna be awesome and they're doing a great job with it, but that's also what I expect. Right. But it's like night watch is like, boy, here's this thing. It's like out of left field. It's crazy.

It's, like, big data.

Aaron

Crazy. It's all

Ian

you know, it's just a totally different thing, from what Taylor has done before. It's so I think that's gonna be really cool. I know that's in this, like, Australian division. It's like, yeah. We just got the Aussies down under, like, working

Aaron

on this crew working on it.

Ian

Working on it. It's I assume it's probably bigger than that now, but at least seen for a while, anyway. It was, like, kind of just the Australians on it, and, that's sort of a fun

Aaron

sauce. Those Australians, man, they're wildly effective. You don't wanna mess with the Australians.

Ian

That's because they get to operate at complete opposite time of the rest of the world. It's just, like, such an advantage. Like, they're just overnight cranking even though it's not overnight for them. I mean, nobody's bothering them. You know what I mean?

Like, somebody's watching

Aaron

them. Can you imagine?

Ian

Nobody's got questions. They are just out there on an island all on their own

Aaron

grinding. Just making it happen.

Ian

Yeah.

Aaron

Yeah. Her talk was great. All the all the talks were good. All the ones that I saw were good. Yeah.

Ian

Did you do anything to Amsterdam? Did you go anywhere? Did you do anything? Did you see

Aaron

anything? Of course not. No. I don't go I don't go anywhere. It Just there's a good to see.

You're

Ian

in and out.

Aaron

In and out, man. I got a family to get home too. We did take a a boat to dinner the first night.

Ian

Okay.

Aaron

So, like, a water taxi. So one of those big, yeah, the speaker dinner, one of those big boats we all piled on, had a glass of wine on the water, and that was fun. Very cool. Very, like, very euros. Yes.

But no. Beyond that, I was in the hotel, the venue, and the place across the street for the after dark party, and that was it.

Ian

Were you cold? Was it cold there, I mean?

Aaron

It was cold. Yeah. It was very cold. Yeah. Mhmm.

Yeah.

Ian

We were in the hotel next to the conference before you were at the faraway one. Yeah.

Aaron

No. Right next door, which is good. Very important. Way

Ian

to do it. Yeah.

Aaron

Yeah. That's what I do. Yeah. So that that was great. Europeans are very cool.

They all smoke. I walked outside

Ian

still smoking. Yeah.

Aaron

At lunch, and I was, like, in a cloud of smoke and all these, like, hipster Europeans just looking awesome and smoking. I'm like, man. Yeah. If y'all knew who James Dean was, I would give you a compliment, but y'all have no idea who James Dean is. So American.

But, yeah, that was cool. Did you fly.

Ian

That's the other thing with Europeans. Like, you talk to Europeans, like, we don't take the train ever. And even though, like, train you know, like, train through Europe and not the whole thing, they're like, no. We just fly everywhere on whatever that, like, Ireland.

Aaron

Ryanair?

Ian

Is. Yeah. Ryanair for, like, $20.

Aaron

Airline. We

Ian

do. Yeah. Yeah.

Aaron

Did you buy a ticket for Laracon US?

Ian

I did. I'm gonna try and go this year.

Aaron

Are you gonna come?

Ian

Nothing breaks off me, and I get to go. But, yes. We got the whole cruise coming. Denver, that's one of my trips. I actually didn't put that in the wanderlog.

Yeah. I put that in there.

Aaron

Put that in the wanderlog.

Ian

Yes. I did buy I, I guess you don't have to buy a ticket because you're I'm seeing. Mhmm. But, I think we're gonna go with this one. I got the fancy swag one.

I want the jacket. You want the jacket? Special swag that is coming.

Aaron

I want

Ian

the swag. Swag. Swag. Swag. Is coming.

I want the swag.

Aaron

Coffee with the team, man. That's what you want. Yeah.

Ian

I want coffee with the team so I can meet everybody for the you know?

Aaron

That's right.

Ian

Say hi.

Aaron

They can kiss the ring.

Ian

Yeah. I think that'll be cool. I mean, hopefully, they do something cool for the meet the team. That'll be fun. Yeah.

I don't know. Just seemed cool. Mostly, I just want the jacket. And then I I want

Aaron

a jacket too. I gotta figure out since I'm not buying a ticket, I gotta figure out

Ian

how do

Aaron

I get a jacket.

Ian

And then I put willing to buy a jacket. In Taylor's ear because Matt Stenson works at YouDescribe. He had the idea that it should be, like, a, a lounge jacket or, like, a smoking jacket.

Aaron

Like a smoking jacket?

Ian

Yeah. Like, with a little seal. So I hope that they scrap whatever plants they have. I wanna I wanna I wanna smoke

Aaron

You wanna crest? You want a maroon with some gold

Ian

details? Yeah. Or something. Yeah.

Aaron

I get it.

Ian

Oh, how great would that be?

Aaron

That would be pretty cool.

Ian

Next level.

Aaron

That would be pretty cool.

Ian

And they charged a fair amount for this upgrade. It wasn't cheap upgrade. It's like a $300 upgrade. So, like, you know, it's a little budget there for some badass jackets.

Aaron

The SNL five year or five time host jackets. Are you familiar with those?

Ian

Like that. Right? Yeah. That sounds familiar. Not you say.

Aaron

Steve Martin, Martin Short, Tina Fey, they all have these five time host jackets, and they're very cool. They're like smoking smoking robes.

Ian

That's what we need. Yes. Yes. I hope they make it happen.

Aaron

They won't, but that sounds very cool.

Ian

That does seem like It's a weird ass.

Aaron

Guarantee you that they won't.

Ian

Yeah. But maybe maybe they'll make a special one just for me. How about that? Maybe. How about that?

Maybe. Put that out in the ether. I'm just gonna let them go out.

Aaron

Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. Yeah.

Totally. Totally. Totally. Alright. Do we have anything else?

I

Ian

don't know. I don't know. I don't think I have anything else. I don't think so.

Aaron

I think that's it.

Ian

That's it. You got stuff to do. We can't be this we can't artificially make this long.

Aaron

No. You guys got so much

Ian

stuff to do. So wrap it up there. Thanks, everybody. MostlyTechnica.com. If you wanna sponsor the show, that's linked there as well.

Get your ad on here. Very affordable. Got good feedback on so far. Still testing the format as you heard. So, we'll that'll be going here.

But, yeah, get get your ads in, and, we will see you next week. Talk to you later.

Aaron

See you.

Ian

Bye.