Mostly Technical · Mar 5, 2024
Ian & Aaron discuss config files in Laravel 11, having ambitious goals, the merits of checking vs. not checking your bag, & more.
Sponsored by LaraJobs & Screencasting.com.
Sent questions or feedback to mostlytechnicalpodcast@gmail.com.
Ian
Welcome back.
Aaron
Back, baby. How we doing? Woo.
Ian
We're ready to go. Monday morning.
Aaron
Monday morning, 8:30 local time.
Ian
9:30 real time. 9. Yeah. Ready to do it. Let's go.
Aaron
I got it. This is my last week. I go back on Friday.
Ian
On Friday? That's a crazy thing. Back. Yeah, I know. Well, I guess it's kind of cool.
It's like just one dip your toe in on a Friday.
Aaron
Yeah. Open some emails, you
Ian
know, kiss some babies, shake some hands,
Aaron
and then peace out for the weekend.
Ian
Now if you totally stayed off the email, that's what you're that's what you're implying right there.
Aaron
Oh, yeah. When, you know, when Nice. Yeah. When your job is not, like, high level engineer that is responsible for things
Ian
Yeah. You just
Aaron
don't get that many emails. You really don't.
Ian
Yeah. Nobody's gonna look at you at 2 AM. Like, something's broken or whatever. Yeah.
Aaron
No. The real thing is YouTube comments. That's that's the real inbox I got to manage. The the email is just like, sometimes I'll get emails to, like, the entire education team. And then beyond that, it's that's about it, honestly.
Ian
Well, that that it's it's a good life. Yeah. Forget what it's like to have a job. Like, oh, it's great.
Aaron
Yeah. That's exactly right.
Ian
I'm behind on email lately. I so I've never been behind on email ever. But I'm a little bit behind this last month and it's kind of like weighing on me. So, like, I got a couple of things I gotta do in there. And then well, you know what I also do?
I don't I don't think we talked about this. I my I think it might be my favorite app on the phone is a app. I I believe it's just called mail to. Let me check this real quick. Yeah.
It's called mail. Oh, maybe it's called mail. Oh, yeah. Mail. Oh, and what it is is you can do any, anytime you bring up a share sheet in iOS, you can just click its icon and it just emails a link to whatever the thing is.
And so to you, that's like to my to myself, it just emails. Gotcha. So it's my little to do list of like, oh, I wanna read this thing or whatever. Or school search this thing more, whatever. And I'll just do the mail thing.
I don't have like copy and paste into Notion or anything. Like, it's just in my inbox. And normally I just like work through the inbox. I'm like, alright. Like, if I'm gonna do this later later, I'll put it maybe in Notion or most time I just deal with it right then.
But oh, yeah. So I have, like, 10 of those stacked up in there of things I wanna, like, read or research, and then I just have some actual email, but it's kinda stressing me. I gotta spend a little time today or tomorrow.
Aaron
Yeah. You don't seem you don't seem like a guy that gets behind on email.
Ian
No. I mean, it's that zero guy.
Aaron
Behind on email.
Ian
I don't have that much email. I don't have that much email in general. Like, because we're a small team. Like, the team's not usually we're in Slack. We handle most stuff in Slack, so it's not like a lot of company emails usually and things like that.
So it's mostly, like, ends up being weird business stuff of, like, you know, corporate stuff.
Aaron
Right. Business dad stuff.
Ian
Whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That stuff.
So it's stacked up in there, and it's getting stressed. But anyway
Aaron
It is stressful. Right? It's like low grade background stress.
Ian
Yeah. I don't know people who just leave it messy all the time. And and I'm a very messy person. Like, in real life, my email, gotta have my email just straight. I just like to not have too much in there.
Aaron
Yeah. I gotta get on top of that. That's that's honestly what I'm I'm looking forward to being back for that reason, to get my digital life back under control. It's just when you're not on the computer and you're actively trying to stay away from it, it's hard to keep it's hard to keep those gardens tended to, you know?
Ian
Yeah. That's all right. You'll give it a week. You'll get in there with the shears and
Aaron
That's right.
Ian
Clean it up. So I got I got
Aaron
stuff to do, man. I got plans. It's time to go.
Ian
You were working on the the new, headquarters, though, with the studio.
Aaron
Oh, yeah.
Ian
The studio. So it's coming along.
Aaron
It's coming along. It's almost it's almost ready for move in. I took you know, I was gonna move in many, many weeks ago, and then I just took a massive break from everything. But, yeah, I was up there last week doing some more finishing touches and was getting really excited about it. I think it's gonna be I think it's gonna be awesome.
I'm super pumped.
Ian
Do you think you're gonna use that for your first videos? Do you think you're gonna be doing some videos before that's ready? Nope. Okay.
Aaron
I'm gonna I'm gonna get up there. Today's Monday. I go back Friday. I'm gonna get in there this week.
Ian
Yeah. Get it get it organized.
Aaron
Get it organized. Get it all. Get all the lighting set up. Get camera moved over. It was the whole deal.
Ian
Yeah. Once the camera's moved, that's it. Like, the guy is cast.
Aaron
Yeah. Exactly.
Ian
So, you have videos lined up or what's the plan? Like, are you ready to go? Yeah. I have some with content ideas and things or
Aaron
scale videos that I have been thinking about that I'm ready to go with. And then I've got I've got a lot of personal, you know, Laravel videos that I'm ready to I'm ready to start cooking. So, yeah, I'm ready. I feel, you know, mentally a lot better physically, still, you know, still a little wonky, still a little 75, 80 years old, but, you know, mentally, I'm feeling a lot better. I'm sleeping.
I slept last night.
Ian
Woo hoo. Yeah. That's a big one.
Aaron
That's great. I love it.
Ian
Change your health, and that's good.
Aaron
The chili pad, I think, is helping.
Ian
Yes. So give us update on the chili.
Aaron
Yeah. So the chili pad came and then it's, it's like a mattress topper with a hose. You know, it's it's all it looks all nice and stuff, but it's a freaking hose that runs out of it.
Ian
Runs liquid under you to cool you or heat you or whatever you want. Yep.
Aaron
Yep. And so I have it set to the coldest that it goes, which is like 55. And it doesn't feel the thing is, it doesn't feel like 55 in the bed. I texted my friend who has one I was like, dude, how cold do you set yours to? He was like, oh, I set mine to, like, you know, 68, and I have to sleep with a t shirt on.
And I'm, like, setting mine to 55
Ian
and sleep with no shirt on. But I
Aaron
I didn't wake up once last night. Not a single time.
Ian
Wow. Huge. That's huge. Change. Yeah.
Yes. That's huge. Okay. That's
Aaron
awesome. So I need to I need to see if mine is functioning properly because I feel like if he's sleeping at 70 and he's kind of cold and I'm sleeping at 55 and I'm like, it could be colder. I don't know if my unit is functioning properly, so I need to, like, investigate that. But on
Ian
the whole something it could be cooling. Yeah.
Aaron
I can yes. I lay down.
Ian
Maybe maybe not as cold as you would like. It's depending on, like, your sheets and stuff too. Like I know.
Aaron
That's the bummer part.
Ian
Some other variation, you know, some other stuff in there potentially that's
Aaron
Yeah.
Ian
Impacting it.
Aaron
But, you know, sometimes I'll, you know, I'm, like, laying super still, and then I do feel, like,
Ian
the outline of the water, like, the pathways underneath you.
Aaron
Oh, okay. That part. Yeah. Chili pad. Big win.
Okay. So so far, thumbs up with Yeah. Chili pad, big win.
Ian
Okay. So so far, thumbs up
Aaron
with Yes. Yes.
Ian
Back in a month and see if Yes. How you feel about it. But the the quick review is some
Aaron
quick review is highly, highly effective. You know, I've had it for a week and I've slept so much better since I've had it.
Ian
Little podcast side business here is I kind of like it's having a review segment like we should have a review segment. Yeah. Yeah.
Aaron
Because even to, like,
Ian
gadgets and things.
Aaron
Hey. And whoever pays the highest, we would review it. Is that how I
Ian
mean, that's what I
Aaron
mean, if somebody wants a sponsor
Ian
review, like, yeah. I mean, we we're happy to take your money if you'd like us to Yeah. To review your product. But, also just, you know, the little nifty things we find, like chili pad and whatnot.
Aaron
Anyway I like that. Yeah.
Ian
So if
Aaron
you have anything Make a little call them
Ian
in Trello.
Aaron
Yeah. We could we we could gladly receive your merchandise, and we will review it.
Ian
Not about anything, but
Aaron
Yeah. Probably not anything. But I get approval. Anything that I
Ian
would like. Yeah. Stuff. Yeah. Or not.
Like it.
Aaron
If we don't like it, we won't review it.
Ian
Well, if we don't like it, those are fun reviews too. But I feel like I'm looking for things I'm gonna either really like hopefully or really hate hopefully. I don't want the things that are just okay. Just okay is not really very interesting to talk about.
Aaron
If it's lukewarm, we spit it out of our mouths. That's that's how it goes. So chili pad, big, 5 star, 2 thumbs up. Okay. Recommend if you're having sleep troubles that you think may be because you're waking up warm.
Ian
I've, thought about getting one of these type of things. I don't know. I haven't pulled the trigger yet, but maybe, maybe I'll have to give it a go.
Aaron
Yeah. They're not they're not inexpensive.
Ian
Yeah. And there's this whole, like, water. And if you have any issues there, it's like its own little disaster, which is
Aaron
Oh, yeah.
Ian
Best, but hopefully, it's fine.
Aaron
Yeah.
Ian
Hopefully. All right. Let's do some follow-up. We actually have quite a bit of follow-up, more follow-up. Alright.
So email in from Andrew Karnes. Do we have a technique for balancing consumption versus creation? Oof. I don't have a formal technique. I I probably should be better about this, but I don't really, have a great formal technique for that.
Aaron
Do you consume a lot?
Ian
I guess it depends. Like, I definitely probably consume more Twitter than I would like. Just pop Mhmm. You know, I tend to just pop over. It's like, okay, I'm between things I'm working on.
I pop over. I would like to organize that a little bit more. The in the other parts of my life, not so much. Like, I'm not over consuming. I don't feel like if anything, I'm under consuming.
I feel like I could use a little more like R and R just like go on something mindless or something like that. So yeah. In that regard, not really, but, but then also in the consumption side, I think you could be more organized. It's like or on the, creation side, like I'm kind of deep on this actual coding stuff right now. So it's kind of taking all the bandwidth, but still, there's other things that I wouldn't find.
Creation. I know. Accounts. But it's like, sometimes you didn't wanna have some variation in there. I'm not I don't have any variation right now, really, of other things.
Oh, I guess I do the podcast here. Right? So that's something Sure.
Aaron
It counts.
Ian
It's crazy. Some other things. Like, I guess I do have some other things. The podcast is nice because it's like that is more structured. It's like, hey.
Aaron
We're Yeah.
Ian
You know, attempting every week on Monday to do this. Sometimes it doesn't work out, but usually we're here. And so that's a little more of a routine, which is nice. I don't know, but I don't really have anything formal. You?
Aaron
No. I don't have anything formal. I I think like you, I'm also not a huge consumer outside of Twitter, as we've talked about many times. Not a not doing a lot of gaming or TV right now these days. But Twitter, yeah, I consume a huge amount.
I don't really feel so bad about it. I like like you, it's kinda like, I'm gonna look for 5 minutes and then get back to what I was doing. Or anytime basically, anytime I just have downtime, I'm kinda like looking at Twitter, but I don't use, I don't use Instagram. I don't use TikTok. I don't use anything else.
So like Twitter is my only, you know, feed feed of consumption. And honestly, you know, I hit the limits of that pretty, pretty quickly. So I'm not just like scrolling for hours. And also I find that, you know, I just I just love Twitter so much. I find that it just stokes, like, so much like, it's it's a it's a serendipity machine.
You know? It just stokes so many ideas and so many, things that, like, it just puts cool stuff in front of me, and so I'm I'm super into it. And then on the creation side, no. I just kinda, you know, that's, you know, when I'm working full time, that's what I do full time is just create things. Right.
But I've also started, you know, I've also started doing the, like, voice recordings while I walk or while I drive. And I do find that, like, being able to get some of those thoughts out of my head is extremely helpful
Ian
for me.
Aaron
And so squeezing that in, squeezing that in more, where I can now as around other duties, I find to be really helpful. But, no, I don't I don't really think about it too much, honestly.
Ian
Yeah. Not a big high structure kind of person in general all the way to that level of, like, where I'm blocking out calendar chunks or things like that. Yeah. Those kind of stuff. So, alright.
Another email from Chris Morell. He says scam emails are bad on purpose to filter top of funnel, people down to those who can't identify bad scammy emails to begin with. So you're limiting your top of the funnel here, but you're hopefully getting more highly qualified, leads, if you will, on the people you wanna target for your scams. I don't know.
Aaron
Wow. Extremely interesting. What in the world is this a follow-up to? Did we talk about this?
Ian
What what did we have
Aaron
I don't remember none of this. 0% of this do I remember.
Ian
We talked about scam emails? Yeah. We did. We mentioned What? We we didn't have a whole segment, but we did touch on it shortly about how, the scam emails are written poorly.
That's interesting. It sounds like a, like remember it was about how we were going to, we would make more money if we just engaged in doing scam emails ourselves at a high quality. Yeah. Yeah. So it's feedback that our high quality ones would lead to a lot of
Aaron
Oh, okay.
Ian
So it's a business plan critique. Yeah. Smart people who would get into that, but then they would later determine that, oh, this is a scam once I get on the phone with them or whatever. Whereas, so that it's bad on purpose that you're already limiting the number of people you have to deal with intentionally so that you can focus on the more easily scammed people.
Aaron
Yeah. I I I barely remember any yeah. I barely remember any of this, but I'm forming very strong opinions as we speak, and there's not a sense. We could fool them all the way down. We could fool them.
Ian
I think so. I think so. I think when it's also multiple levels, like, there's people can we just fool them all the way down? I feel like if you're gonna you're presumably gonna automate quite a bit of this. So, like, more people's just better, I would think, in general.
Yeah. For sure. You know, you could also have higher, higher sort of upside scams. Like maybe I'm trying to like, just do a really good version of the Chase email with a Chase website. Mhmm.
So you're gonna log in to change your password, and you're gonna fool people who really know what they're doing to reset their password. And it's just coming to me instead, and I'm just gonna steal all your money. Right? So, like, I feel like there's
Aaron
lesson.
Ian
There's other things like that where the quality is important. Like there's like Nigerian prince. You won the lotto. Fine. That's kind of one type of scam, but there's also like a really high quality.
I'm just gonna steal all your shit from your bank level, which just has to be, like, pixel perfect and Right. Have errors when you log in incorrectly and, like, whatever. It's, like, just perfect, except we steal your shit. So I feel like, yeah, there's both sides of it, and we we could cover it all in this business.
Aaron
So is this is this podcast a safe space? Am I allowed to say something?
Ian
Yeah. Absolutely.
Aaron
And as as my attorney, because you're a podcaster, you're also an attorney Right. This is now this is now confidential. So this is client attorney privilege, so I can't be I can't be prosecuted for this. Absolutely. In college.
Ian
Oh, boy.
Aaron
Yeah. Yeah. So statute of limitations has run. This is client attorney privilege. Nobody can get me in trouble for this legally as long as you append legally to your statement.
So in college, there was this Twitter account that was called, I went to Texas a and m or called the Aggies. There was this Twitter account called Aggie Gossip, and it was just saying all these horrible things about a lot of people. And I was like, I bet I could I bet I could fish this person, and I bet I could get their password. And so in 2008 or 9, I created I created a fishing scheme.
Ian
We have the experience in house. This is so great.
Aaron
I created a phishing scheme where I made a, I made a website that looked just like the Twitter reset password website.
Ian
Look at that.
Aaron
I hosted I hosted it somewhere random, you know, some random domain. And then I sent I forget how I had their email. Oh, because they they solicited tips.
Ian
Oh, right. Yeah.
Aaron
If you have hot tips, send them to aggiegossip@gmail.com. It's like, alright. So I created this fake page, you know, stole the CSS and HTML from the actual reset page, put it up somewhere, sent, sent myself a password reset email from Twitter so I can get, like, the HTML for the email.
Ian
Yep. Mhmm.
Aaron
And then created the email and sent it to Aggie Gossip, and it worked. I totally phished their password. It was Aggie o nine, which told us it was somebody
Ian
in the
Aaron
past of 2009. It was great. And then I freaked out, and I logged in as them and started just, like, trying to
Ian
wreak havoc. You know, I'm unfollowing everyone. I'm trying to, like,
Aaron
you know, change the email address to my own email address so I can take it over.
Ian
This is like a federal crime right here. I know. That's what I'm saying. This is attorney client privilege. This is, like, you can't this thought.
You're a little shaken too. I don't know.
Aaron
You can't get me in trouble. Dave
Ian
Mhmm.
Aaron
I need you to check the law, Dave. If any of this is illegal, just cut this segment out. Yeah. And that was it. And then I got kicked out because I freaked out too hard, and I didn't know what to do, and it worked.
And so I logged in as them and did some stuff, and then I got booted. So isn't that wild?
Ian
That's wild.
Aaron
I committed a federal crime, I think.
Ian
And look how easy it was. That's what I'm saying. Like, we could be doing we could be doing this as a profession and stealing money instead of unfollowing people on Twitter.
Aaron
Instead of yes. Instead of being, you know, digital Batman to clean up the streets of Gotham, I'm out there trying to steal money from people. That would be way better.
Ian
Yeah. That's pretty awesome. I don't Isn't
Aaron
that crazy?
Ian
Like that. I would've never thought you'd have a worse thing than me and
Aaron
I know.
Ian
Law breaking. Crazy.
Aaron
I know. It's crazy. Man. Sometimes I let my inspection sticker expire, and I also Right. Will fish people from time to time.
So yeah.
Ian
So yeah. Send people phishing emails illegally. Yeah. With the federal law.
Aaron
So there there you go, boss man Chris. It can be done, and I have done it.
Ian
There you go.
Aaron
Yeah. This So would have been great on last week's segment when we were talking about it. I just I must have spaced on that
Ian
segment together. It's fun.
Aaron
Yeah. It's crazy.
Ian
I don't have anything like that. I never I never actually tried it. I we did once in high school, and I was just an accomplice. I was the driver. I mean,
Aaron
actually Me too. For sure. Same. Yeah.
Ian
I was the driver on a, selling a bag of oregano as marijuana, once. Yeah. Made made made $10. So that was my big statue of limitations, thing here. There we go.
Aaron
I don't think that's illegal. I think that's just funny.
Ian
Hey. Maybe that's not even illegal. Right? No. It's so unjust.
Illegal substance. Although if we're claiming it's one thing and it's not, it seems like it might be illegal. Yeah. Maybe. That's hysterical.
These are kind of things I don't know. I don't think my kids are gonna do these kind of things. Also, in high school,
Aaron
one time, we were driving around, shooting fireworks out of the car, like Roman candles. You know? So you got one guy driving, the other guy's sitting out the window shooting
Ian
over candles. Scared to do those things.
Aaron
And and we were you know, we shot 1, and it just went right over a cop car. Like, right over 2 cops getting into their car at, like, a Wendy's or something. And they looked at us, and we looked at them, and my friend who was driving just took off.
Ian
Oh, wow.
Aaron
They got in their cop car, and I'm like, Sean, what
Ian
are you doing?
Aaron
He takes off. You know, we're in, like, 3 different cars because, you know, we're 16, and we're all like, no. I'm gonna drive. And so we took a hard right, and our friend went straight. And they pulled over our friend, and we were gone.
Ian
Oh my gosh. That's crazy. Did they have fireworks in their car too? They did not have fireworks in
Aaron
their car. Oh. And so he pretended like he didn't know. So he's like, yeah. I saw that.
I don't know what happened. And meanwhile, you know, we're doing 80 on the on ramp trying to get away from them. Oh my gosh. I was I was the accomplished. I was I was just in the car.
I I didn't do anything.
Ian
To be there. You'd only get, like, a year. The other guys can get, like, 3, 4 years. Yeah.
Aaron
Exactly. Yeah. So it wasn't me.
Ian
You flip on everybody. You do know Tom.
Aaron
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're actually they're actually still in jail, but I'm here. So
Ian
That's
Aaron
Anyways Alright. Final follow-up. Final follow-up from friend friend of the pod, Mary. I don't know Mary's last name, but her handle is c free as anyway, met her met her at Laracon, Laravel developer, good friend. She d m's me, like, mid listening to the podcast, the last one, and she said, Eren, don't do nicotine.
Ian
Like, don't
Aaron
don't don't get into nicotine. I was like, oh, really? How you know, because we talked about zen and how awesome it is. Right. And she sent me this whole, like, this entire thing of don't do nicotine.
It's so bad for autoimmune disease. And I was like, oh, you know what? I didn't think about any of that whatsoever.
Ian
You were just drawn in by the awesome website. You didn't. I was just drawn in by health considerations. Yeah.
Aaron
Would it be cool if I chewed nicotine gum? Probably. And then, you know, Mary's out here looking out for me. Don't do nicotine.
Ian
So you got to do.
Aaron
If you have autoimmune disease, don't do nicotine. So I don't
Ian
know if they call it that down south, but dip, you know, like we put the tobacco in there. Oh, yeah. You could be you could be dip it. I'd love to have you dip it on the show where you're just spitting into a cup every bar.
Aaron
How disgusting that is.
Ian
We kind of awesome. I have
Aaron
some I have some friends that would dip from from time to time at work. And just imagine, like, having a spit cup on your desk.
Ian
Horrifying. Thing ever.
Aaron
This is the grossest thing ever.
Ian
Very gross. It's pretty wild.
Aaron
Yeah. Is
Ian
it? And just total side note here, it's pretty funny how you're like, Mary, good friend, didn't know her last name.
Aaron
Don't know her last name.
Ian
This is the Internet. It's so funny.
Aaron
This is the Internet. Mary Mary and I have talked life. We've been on Zoom calls talking life in Laravel. I couldn't tell you. No idea.
Ian
Idea. Right.
Aaron
No idea.
Ian
So funny.
Aaron
Can't even pronounce her handle. C Frias. C Frias. No idea. Pouncing stuff's
Ian
the worst from the Internet. That's, like, give me a bad idea to say anything.
Aaron
But friend friend of the pod, friend of mine, Mary. We'll find out your last name soon, Mary.
Ian
We actually have another follow-up. It's just in the regular topic area of chat. So, like, you we talked about in the show last week.
Aaron
Yep.
Ian
Chat g p ting yourself and your style, and you did that, and you were kinda blown away. That. And then you put that on Twitter's and people other people were blown away. Yeah. So there was a little bit of feedback.
I don't know if there was anything in particular that you felt interesting as well as, like, if you've gone farther with
Aaron
it. I haven't gone farther with it, but, yeah, I, you know, put it out on Twitter last week after you told me to, and then I got tons of credit for the great idea. So awesome. Love that. Yeah.
Ian
I know. Good for me.
Aaron
The Yeah.
Ian
You guys I tagged you.
Aaron
I tagged you, but then people
Ian
You guys
Aaron
then people were quoting me, and it's like, well, you know, we lost Ian to the sands of time. Sorry about that.
Ian
The story of my life. Good idea. It's not the credit.
Aaron
Quick. I'll come back to that. I have a funny note on that. But, yeah, it was great. You know, Arvid called it, and he had a good idea to to do, like, what is it?
Where, like, you make it challenge your writing style. Mhmm. And so he was like, you know, tell me about the writing style of Harvard Call. Great. Tell me how our recall could improve.
And I thought, oh, that's interesting. So I need to do that. And then some people were doing it for, like, their open source issues and being like, how does this person respond to issues normally? And it's like, oh, in a friendly and kind manner. And so, yeah, if you haven't tried it yet and you have any amount of writing out there, give it a try.
I think the next step for me is gonna be instead of, like, telling chat gpt how to write, I'm gonna tell chat gpt to write as me now that I know that it knows who I am.
Ian
Right. So if that helps.
Aaron
Yeah. To see if that helps get the style better the first time. Because man, on that last article, it got it like 30% of the way there, which is just not that much. So You could probably
Ian
just start building out a more elaborate prompt. Like, as you see things, it's not doing right to, like, add to some baseline prompt with, like, never do this and always do that and whatever. Yeah. Exactly. Flush that out a bit.
Aaron
Yeah. So that that's the goal. Yeah. Super pleased with it. Good idea, Ian.
Sorry that I stole all the credit, but
Ian
That's it.
Aaron
You know?
Ian
What's your side note there?
Aaron
To to the tweet or go the spoils. My side note is, speaking of losing your credit to the sands of time, there's this hysterical thing that my wife does sometimes where I'll, like, tell just I'll just tell a killer joke, just like best jokes, a little quip response thing.
Ian
I don't
Aaron
say it super loud, and then my wife will take the exact same joke word for word and immediately say it louder and gets the gets the roaring applause of the room.
Ian
It's it's great. She does it all the time
Aaron
to me. I'll have, like, a little side comment and be like, oh, this is hysterical. She'll laugh and say it louder and get the credit.
Ian
You gotta stop mumbling. Put your stuff out there.
Aaron
I gotta stop mumbling. It's just the funniest thing. And then she's always like, oh, no. That was Aaron's joke. It's like it's too late.
Nobody cares. You get all the credit for that.
Ian
Yeah. It's all it's all about the person that puts it out
Aaron
there. You gotta put it out there. What a scam.
Ian
This is all part of your philosophy. You gotta put it out there. It doesn't matter if you have the idea. Whatever it is,
Aaron
wherever you
Ian
find the idea, you gotta put you be the one to put it out there.
Aaron
I know.
Ian
You get the upside.
Aaron
And maybe, you know, maybe it's just that I'm workshopping material, and I'm seeing how it goes over. But I by the time I know that it went over well, she's already repeated it to the room.
Ian
Yeah. I mean, I guess she just gets to ignore the stupid shit you say. So this is, like Yes. It's it's been pre filtered. It's like, oh, that's a good one.
Yeah. I'll use that. I'll ignore the stupid stuff he says.
Aaron
Oh, it's a scam.
Ian
Genius. I
Aaron
know. She's a she is a genius. Alright. Alright.
Ian
First topic here. We're gonna do you were traveling this week, so let's do check check bag or no check bag. This is the I don't know if we're gonna go to the Dan Sheets, method here.
Aaron
Oh, okay. I didn't wanna say any names because I didn't wanna out anybody because
Ian
of this. We'll give him credit.
Aaron
I don't think he he should have credit. This is a terrible idea.
Ian
You're This is just crazy.
Aaron
This is crazy. So I traveled, you know, I traveled out of town this weekend with some friends, and Dan Sheets, since you named him, I'm gonna out him. Dan Sheets was one of those
Ian
own this. Yeah. He's about one of the co founders of Titan.
Aaron
I told him, this is this is crazy, Dan. You're a crazy man. His his theory, his his strongly held belief
Ian
Very strongly held.
Aaron
Is that checking a bag is not only is not only acceptable, it is preferable.
Ian
Yes.
Aaron
It is better
Ian
He's a big believer.
Aaron
Bag on purpose Yes. Even even if it's a carry on sized bag.
Ian
Yes. Even if you could fit it in the overhead. If you
Aaron
could fit it.
Ian
Not that you have to I think he does obviously take advantage of the bigger bag because he'll have, like, 4 pairs of shoes or whatever. He's like, why limit my belt? But even if you don't yeah. 6 hats. But even if you don't do that, you should just always check.
Yes. That's it
Aaron
for you. Okay. Nonsense. But here's here's I will steal, man, his position, which is crazy. His position is then you get to walk around the airport without a bag, and he's, you know, he's flinging his arms.
Ian
He's like, look how free
Aaron
look how free I am. And I'm like, oh, that doesn't move me. My bag has 4 wheels. I just roll it. It's not, you know, it's not that simple.
Ian
Right? He could fill his hand with a beverage
Aaron
or Exactly.
Ian
Some sort.
Aaron
That's point number 2. Then he's like, then I don't have to fight the plebs for overhead space. I'm like That's true.
Ian
Okay. I you know, I kinda I kinda buy that. I fly southwest
Aaron
a lot. Southwest is just a cattle car, you know, in the air. And so you're Yeah. You know, you're you're fighting normies left and right. It's terrible.
It's like you're at
Ian
the DMV.
Aaron
And so I get that as as a southwest, you know, connoisseur, I get that that you are always kinda, like, jockeying for overhead space.
Ian
On the plane so that you can, like, get a spot. It's not it's not that big it's not that big of a deal. As long
Aaron
as you're not, like, group c, you're gonna have overhead space. You're gonna find a spot for your bag. And then he says on the other side, you get off the plane. You kinda take it slow. You grab a beer, and then you walk down to baggage claim, and you get your bag and you walk out.
And I'm just like, no way, man.
Ian
I get off the plane, and
Aaron
I just walk away because I have my bag. I never risk losing my bag. That's gotta be a big thing. Right? Fully I'm gonna make it up.
Fully fully 15% of bags
Ian
get lost. Seems Easily. Seems Easily.
Aaron
Call it 12. It's still too high. Sure. 0% of the time do I lose my bag It does when it's above my bag.
Ian
Lose your bag. That's true.
Aaron
Right? Yeah. So you get there, and you You never lost your bag
Ian
and carried on.
Aaron
Exactly. Exactly. So this is this is his theory, and I'm telling him, this is crazy. This is this is nonsense. And I don't this is I I immediately I was at this dinner listening to him say this and trying to rebut him, and that's when I texted you.
And I was like, bags, check check bags, no bags. Gotta talk about it on the
Ian
pod. So where
Aaron
where do you stand? Is it a luxury to check a bag or or is Stan insane?
Ian
Since I've been exposed to this philosophy, so it's definitely, no check unless, you know, there was times with the kids traveling, we have checked bags because there was just no choice. We're bringing 400 diapers and whatever. That's the thing. Whatever. But when I'm traveling by myself is obviously the main scenario.
So I have to have a side story on that too. But, in general, I I I like this philosophy. Actually, I do sort of appreciate it. But for me, you know, if I start, I don't drink on the plane. I don't really care to drink before the plane.
Like, I'm gonna have to get up and go pee and whatever. I don't wanna deal with it. So, like, I'd like, I tend to like window seats, so I gotta like move past everybody. So I have this whole, like, that whole thing going on. Yeah.
And when I get off the plane, I definitely don't wanna drink or do anything else. I just wanna like go to wherever I'm going. Yes. And I will say I do feel like check bags come a lot quicker than they used to. Like I, in recent times I've checked the bag.
I haven't waited. I feel like you used to wait like an hour and a half and Yes. Be, like, wandering around. It's horrible. Like, I do think now they're they are seem to be faster.
And I do think also if you're in a big city, like in New York, he's in Chicago, where you're gonna get a lot of direct flights, like, then you don't have as much risk of the losing the bag.
Aaron
That's true.
Ian
Usually the losing the bag is that doesn't make the plane. Yeah. Yeah. So like, you don't have to worry about that. So that's a big thing.
So yeah, I don't know. I kind of see both sides. Okay. But I will say I've kind of gone in my recent bigger travels. I have gone the other way from this advice in the sense of, but I wasn't by myself.
But when we went to Europe, we were going 2 big trips to Europe as a family. And the first time we were gonna we were there for a long time, but still we each had a carry on. We each had a backpack and we had one other bag because just for, like, overflow of random stuff. Cause we were going to be there for 2 months and we took all this shit to Europe and it was a pain in the ass. Right.
Fine. And then we went from Paris to Italy and we did that on the train and it was all right. It was on the fast train and we had to transfer trains from the fast train in Milan to this little local train, to get to Luca, Italy. And on this local train, I've never felt worse about myself literally my whole life. This is like one of the top couple times I've ever felt horrible about myself, about America, about everything.
Because this train was not designed to have everybody has 2 bags that are pretty big. That's actually right. So, in the little, like, when you get onto the train, there's like a little space. Okay. Little landing.
Yeah. 8 by 8 landing type thing on this train. And I have all of our bags stacked there. Yeah. And people getting on and off this train.
And I'm like, this is the most embarrassing, ridiculous that what do we need all this ship for? Why do we have 20 bags? It's insanity. Immediately made as an American. Regarding the bags on the train, it was just horrible.
Everything about it was horrible. It was the most egregious American
Aaron
overconsistently. Tennis shoes and a Mickey Mouse shirt, so they know you're American. They they would never be caught dead in tennis shoes.
Ian
Everybody knew I was American. They they there was no doubt
Aaron
about that.
Ian
I could have been in anything. I could have been in rags, and they would have been like, look at this frickin American with this 32 bags of luggage.
Aaron
They'd be like, who's the American wearing skinny black jeans?
Ian
Anything. So then the second time we were went, we're like, we are never doing that again. Forget it. So everybody only got a backpack. That was it.
Me and my wife had Back pack? A backpack. Me and my wife had this bigger Tom Binn kinda, like, travel backpack thing.
Aaron
So What?
Ian
Bigger than a normal backpack, but it was like the size of a carry on, basically, but, like, soft sided. So it was like, we each had one of those. The kids had backpacks. That's it. No luggage.
Rude. We were there for 3 weeks that time. And we're like, nope.
Aaron
3 weeks.
Ian
We're gonna make it work. Everybody wears the same couple things anyway, all the time. We're just gonna only have those couple things and that's it. We're gonna do laundry a few times. And it was awesome.
Bold move. Like, it was just like, we could move fast. You could jump on things, jump off them, anything, whatever. We could move quick. It was great.
We weren't embarrassed by the, pile of luggage. It was fantastic. So that's my advice is you can make it work Less luggage.
Aaron
No no way.
Ian
Less No
Aaron
way. No way I'm taking a family to Europe, and we're only taking backpacks.
Ian
Here's what I would do. I would go
Aaron
to Europe and not go anywhere else. That's that's what I would do. Like, I would
Ian
just go to Paris. Yeah. Yeah. Just
Aaron
and just hang out there.
Ian
Yeah. You know, how often do you get there? It's like you want to see a couple of things. I don't see anything. You could, I'm gonna
Aaron
be, I'm gonna be honest. I don't wanna see anything. I just wanna know.
Ian
You're too deep in the muck right now, but in a couple years when, like, when your youngest is 6 or 7, like, you could actually take them places because they can hold their own luggage, and they could do stuff, and you don't have to do Yeah. And that's fine.
Aaron
But there's a 0% chance I'm taking a little train to some little town in Italy. We're going somewhere with infrastructure and we're just we're staying at
Ian
this house. Stop at Milan. You're not going on to the next little town spot.
Aaron
Exactly. Exactly.
Ian
And the little town was awesome, though.
Aaron
Here's here's what I'm hearing about the the Dan Sheets theory of luggage. I hear that you you can intellectually ascent to
Ian
it, but you emotionally, you
Aaron
you think it's crazy.
Ian
Yeah. You're you're trying you're trying to hedge. You're trying to hedge
Aaron
and be like, oh, well, I get it what Dan is saying. Yeah. You think it's crazy. You don't abide by that.
Ian
Part of me would love love the idea of, like, oh, I have, like, 5 pairs of shoes. Like, I have, like, ten shirts, and I can just wear whatever I feel like. Like, I can really make a decision in the moment. Like, what do I need to wear tonight or whatever? But then, yeah, in practice, like, calling all that stuff around is kind of
Aaron
annoying.
Ian
So yeah.
Aaron
No way. Alright. Good. Well, I'm glad we're
Ian
on the same page. Settled. So
Aaron
Settled. Sorry, Dan. Bad theory.
Ian
Alright. Do we wanna do tech, or we wanna go with, go with the other one here? Which one
Aaron
first? Let's, let's go with the other one first.
Ian
Alright. So you start. You kick that off to our topic.
Aaron
I'm hanging I'm hanging with some people, and I'm like, I've got this ambitious goal for my life. You know? And I'm like, hey, guys. I have this ambitious goal. And they're all like, man, you should double it.
It's not ambitious enough.
Ian
You could do you you could do that easily. A money goal.
Aaron
A money goal.
Ian
And I
Aaron
was just like, that's really helpful because, you know, you you the water you swim in dictates what you think is normal. Right? And the way that you grew up dictates what you think is normal. And so the way that I grew up, I've got this number, and I'm thinking that would be I would be I would be King Solomon. I'd be richer than any man on earth.
And I go to this other thing for these people. You know, we're all hanging out and, you know, talking business and stuff. And I'm like, what if I was King Solomon? They're like, nah, dawg. That's not the right number.
You gotta double it. And it's great. It's like Yeah. Oh, shoot. Maybe I am, you know, maybe I am thinking small.
And so I just came home from this, like, you know, hangout slash mastermind thinking, oh, I gotta think bigger. I could
Ian
I could do a
Aaron
lot I could do a lot bigger. That's really valuable.
Ian
Yeah. Being in that mindset, it does change a lot when you realize you can do more than you've when you think outside that box that you've made for yourself of, like, well, this is the most I could accomplish reasonably. But then maybe you're just not being reasonable. Like, maybe if you get something rolling, it actually could be bigger than your expectation there. Right?
And it's like, yeah, having other people who, you know, in this case, a lot of these people have done that and yes, gone bigger and,
Aaron
there's there's perks to being the poorest person there. There are definitely yeah. I definitely feel like, oh, I gotta I gotta pull myself up by my bootstraps here.
Ian
It is tricky because there is, like, the balance of, like, you don't wanna set, like, expectations and then feel bad you don't hit them because it's like it is unrealistic or or whatever, but at the same time, it's like, it's totally doable. Like, you're not talking about like, like, a $100,000,000 and it's like, no, like that. You double. It is actually a reasonable goal. Like it's actually not.
Yeah. If you feel like you could do the baseline, then whatever you think is baseline doubling that is actually not that much. It's not like saying a 100 x. It's No. Just double.
Like, if you tweak one thing correctly, you could get to double. Like, that's
Aaron
not unreasonable. That blew my mind. Right. That that part where that part where it's just like, oh, you had to think bigger. Like, I thought I was thinking big.
Ian
And they're
Aaron
like, no, no, no, no. You had to think bigger.
Ian
Oh, shoot. You're right. You you thought you were thinking big, but you were just thinking medium. Big.
Aaron
Yeah. I was thinking medium. I need to think large. It's like, it's like one of the later seasons of the office, which is not they're not very good, and they host they host this, like, small business seminar in the office, and they get Kevin to be the hype man. And he's running around, and his whole speech is basically dream as big as you can and then double it.
Ian
And I'm
Aaron
like, yeah. That's what I gotta do. I gotta dream as big as I can.
Ian
15 years ago. But yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Aaron
Exact it it hits harder coming from friends than Kevin Malone on The Office, I will say. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. So feels good, man.
Ian
It's all about the it just helps you with the planning aspect too, because it's just, like, just doing those little tweaks that might be open yourself up to different opportunities or different, paths that you're like, oh, if I wanted to be double, I gotta do this thing or whatever. Like, just thinking a little differently there.
Aaron
Yeah. And I I truly you know, I'm becoming a woo woo guy. I truly do think
Ian
Positively.
Aaron
That that has that has a huge effect. Like, the the ceiling that you set for yourself has a huge effect on the ceiling that you actually hit. And I know that's, like
Ian
It does.
Aaron
That's probably that's probably a little out there. But this whole mind body, this whole sickness, my mind is causing problems. I'm gonna crush it in my mind vice. I'm just
Ian
Mind vice. Mind I'm mind guy these days.
Aaron
I gotta get my mind right.
Ian
Yeah. Well, I mean, there are, there are these lines where, like, there is you have to make a different decision to get past the line. Like, it's not a 100% true, but it's just like it's like with software, right? Like bootstrapping a software company for the most part is going to put a certain ceiling on what you can accomplish. Like not a 100% true.
Obviously we can come up with examples of huge companies that work
Aaron
for example, right? Like, but
Ian
in general, like if you take more money and go faster and have more resources to market and do all these things, like, you're you're more likely, if you succeed, to have a bigger outcome. Now you're also lowering your probability that you will succeed on any level. Like, that is the trade off you're making there. But but even so that's, like, the extreme example, but then there's even the small examples like, well, I'm gonna do I'm gonna put this much money into this even if you're bootstrapping versus, like, well, if I wanna go bigger, I wanna have higher upside. Maybe I have to put more money in that or Maybe I gotta
Aaron
spend some money. Whatever.
Ian
Right. I gotta where I was gonna not spend anything and lower my risk, I'm gonna spend something. But then if that works, I'm gonna have more upside even within my somewhat constrained upside of being bootstrap versus being VC funded or whatever. So it does change your decisions when you think a little bit bigger and outside the box Big time. And what you wanna do there, which is yeah.
Aaron
And I I've even started think I I've even started thinking, like, this whole indie hacker side project thing. Like, is this classifying oneself as an indie hacker, you're doing side projects, is that, like, artificially limiting? Like, what if you just said, I Oh,
Ian
I I had just a thought the other day.
Aaron
Yeah. Yeah. Like, I'm not an indie hacker. I am a serious person doing a serious business venture, and I'm not gonna I'm not gonna call it some indie hacker and make cute little jokes about not doing marketing? Like, yeah, that makes
Ian
it look like.
Aaron
Right?
Ian
I think so. I mean, so I'm the generation before the indie hacker where we were bootstrappers. But what we were bootstrapping was a company. Yes. Like that's specifically what we were doing.
We're making a software company, but we don't have the dotcom money where they're just throwing all the money around. So we have to do it ourselves, and that's what we're doing, but we're making a company. That's the mindset. And I do feel like the indie hacker stuff. Like, this case came the other day.
I saw somebody tweet about, like, whatever. They wanna make a SaaS a month for 12 months. And I was like, this seems like a very bad idea. Like like,
Aaron
like, it's playing house.
Ian
How can you get? Yeah. How can you, how can you get anything going? Like, you're just spraying and hoping like one just totally magically hits. Like, you're not gonna put any effort into it.
Like, because how can you, you have to move on to the next thing next month or whatever. And so I just feel like that's a bad way to start a company. It's like, no, pick the best idea. And then you're gonna have to put some time and effort into it. And maybe it's not gonna
Aaron
work be serious about it. Yeah.
Ian
But like, you're gonna have to be serious about it if you wanna have the upside. And again, like everybody there's been the 5 people that, that did just randomly build something in 2 hours and it took off and they turned it into a big thing. But that's really not how it goes most of the time. You have to put a lot of effort in. It takes a it's really hard to figure out Takes
Aaron
a lot of work.
Ian
The marketing of something and how to reach people, especially the people who actually spend money on the thing you're building versus just the people who you know on Twitter who say it's a cool idea, but are not gonna buy it or gonna buy a one user license, which Right. That's great. $50 a month that does nothing for you. So, like, you know I feel
Aaron
like calling yourself an indie actor gives you gives you, like, a pressure escape valve. You're like, ah, I don't know. I failed. I just got, you know, a whole bunch of side projects. And
Ian
Yeah. I just feel
Aaron
like it's it's it's taken on this it's taken on this patina of, like like, fake, almost like an excuse. It's like, oh, well, I'm just an indie hacker.
Ian
Like, well, this is that should we stop calling ourselves that? Yeah. I don't know. I don't keep up with how people use the term, but my impression of the term is, like, yeah, I'm just doing a bunch of little things, and I'm not putting a lot of effort into any of them necessarily or or heavy effort.
Aaron
And you can't criticize me
Ian
because I'm an Indian actor. I think that's doing a disservice. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's just doing yourself a big disservice, and you're you're gonna just get more out of picking something and trying it, like, with max effort, even if it fails and then do the next thing because, like, you're gonna learn a lot about, like, like, oh, like, this marketing channel was hard to reach or I didn't, like, know I didn't know x, y, z, and now I do.
And, like, I learned some stuff. It's like if you're just throwing out if you're just doing the code part, which is the fun part. Right? Like The
Aaron
fun part.
Ian
Then you're not actually learning a lot about the part that actually makes you money, which is the business part. And so that's kind of putting you behind the 8 ball a little bit there on what you're gonna be able to accomplish most likely, unless you just get lucky, It's not the best strategy. I mean, it's really It's not a
Aaron
great not a great strategy. So what do I what's what should it is it business
Ian
Like, that's what I'm doing.
Aaron
No. We gotta play the mental game. To me. I'm woo yeah. I'm woo woo guy.
Ian
I'm still bootstrap to me, bootstrapping is the right name for it because it's like, you're not getting money, but you're starting a company. Like, that's what you're doing. And that's what it means, but maybe there's other name. I'm I'm open to other names for the kids these days and something more modern. Yeah.
Aaron
Bootstrapping. I'm gonna be
Ian
an indie tycoon. You gotta find something.
Aaron
That's what I'm gonna be.
Ian
Yeah. And you take.
Aaron
Indi. It's it's good. It's cool. It's bad. I like it.
Indi tycoon. Speaking of, speaking of tycoon and, making money, I've got I've got a screen casting training this morning.
Ian
That's right. So what what's up with that?
Aaron
Like a team license.
Ian
It's great. So cool. I love that. So what what are you gonna be doing?
Aaron
I don't know, man. So I sold, you know, a license to this company, and they want 3 or 4 seats. I forget how many. And then, like, a, you know, not a 1 on 1, but, like, a team, like, hands on session. And so here in, you know, 30 minutes, I'm gonna be jumping on a call and talking to this team for an hour or so.
And I think they basically wanna know, like, how do we create compelling content for our company? It's like, great. I could talk to you for an hour about that easily. But I think that's a good I think that's a good angle that I could try to actively pursue more is, like Yeah. Team trainings, dev ed trainings, like that sort
Ian
of thing. So I Okay. I don't love that. Ready. But I'm ready.
No. No. I just no. I I just I this is we're gonna use what we just talked about. Okay.
I don't think you're thinking big enough about it.
Aaron
Oh, alright. Yeah. Tell me.
Ian
So you already sell a product, which is hands on training for how to do screen casting. Right? Okay. That is that is your what you just said. That is your baseline training.
Okay. Like there it is by the screencast. It's $300 or whatever. Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
Uh-huh. The thing you, I mean, whatever. If people wanna pay for some additional, like, an hour with you, fine. Sure. Thing.
Don't do that. That's great. Whatever. But the thing that next levels it
Aaron
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Ian
Is what you need to sell is the high level strategy. So this is for the CEO, for the CMO.
Aaron
How do really
Ian
internet market? Look, I've had success doing this. I'm gonna teach you how to do it. I'm gonna Look at I've had success doing this. I'm gonna teach you how to do it.
Oh, it's $10,000
Aaron
or whatever. Right.
Ian
It's a chunk of money because you're gonna go off and hire 3 people to do this. That means they're gonna go spend at least $1,000,000 a year or $700,000 a year. So what is it worth to them to know how to do that correctly? It's worth tens of 1,000 of dollars. Otherwise they're gonna waste $600,000 I know.
Aaron
Be an antique tycoon. This is great.
Ian
This is another thing I'm not gonna get credit for, but that's a wrap. No. No. No. No.
No. Cut it
Aaron
out, Dave. This is my idea. Change the voice. This is my idea. Okay.
So what you're telling me is, the thing that I am teaching is for is is for the normies like me, the people that are executing on the task.
Ian
Executors. Right.
Aaron
And I can I can, you know, scale up, you know, the hands on, this the individual hands on thing is $1,000? The teams Right. You know, teams pay more. But you're saying that that's capped. At some point, I can only teach the practitioners so much, and they get so much value out of it.
And the same
Ian
time value money of you, what you can offer there. And that's also something that's more like you could you can ship the videos and teach people that and maybe do some hands on stuff. But, yes, the next level up is the the economic value.
Aaron
The next level up is for the suits, and I teach or talk to the suits about a strategy
Ian
Right.
Aaron
That they can then hire implementors to do.
Ian
Right.
Aaron
And so I can teach them yeah. I'm a consultant.
Ian
And you're teaching them the strategy of how to execute on this type of program so that they can drive business using YouTube and whatever other stuff you're gonna have in there. But video, how to use video to increase your, you know, funnel. You have to figure out the right keywords for all that stuff and whatever the rules, but
Aaron
like, how to use video to increase
Ian
your funnel. This is where the budget is. This is where the money is. This is gonna be less time and more money. That's what that's gonna be.
Wow. Look, it's all the economics. Right? Like the per if you teach a person, like, they're limited by their salary. How much salary could they ever make?
Right? So how much could they ever spend? And even and even if it's done is like training, like even to go to their boss, like I wanna get this training. There's only you can't charge $10,000 for that because every boss in the world's gonna say no, we're not gonna spend $10,000 to train you how to do this thing for an hour or 2 hours or whatever. But then you go up the next level.
That's where all the money is. It's like, well, the marketing budget of this company is $2,000,000 a year. Well, how now I'm gonna save you or, you know, it might be saving money. It's probably better to I'm gonna make it more valuable. Yeah.
Your $2,000,000 is gonna turn into $10,000,000 instead of your $2,000,000 maybe only making you 2,000,000 back or 3,000,000 or whatever. You're gonna increase that upside on your marketing spend.
Aaron
This is what I'm
Ian
talking about. You.
Aaron
This is good stuff.
Ian
There we go. We're making headway here, baby.
Aaron
Then I could actually I could actually and I would probably have someone else do this for me. I could actually do outbound emailing
Ian
Right.
Aaron
Or link Linkdinning. Yeah. I think that that could act for $10,000, that could actually I could do that.
Ian
Yeah. I mean, I think that you could def so that's, like, I would, to me, that would be secondary, although definitely feasible. Like, I feel like with your video channels, you could already reach those people. Like, you just have to make those videos. You know, and it's like always that balance.
You see people doing of like, you can't give away everything, but you're gonna give away enough. And like, then they're gonna come to you for the actual execution of in their space. Because no matter what video you make, you're gonna have some example company or whatever you come up with. Right. That's not the same as, like, this person in their industry.
Whereas you can spend time thinking about their industry, their company, coming up with an actual plan with them and all that kinda of stuff. I mean, again, depends how far you go there. If you go that far, now it's more than $10,000 Right? Like Yeah. If we're gonna have a multi month engagement where we really hash out your specific problems, that's even more of a larger thing.
But I imagine you could also have, like, a, hey, it's $10 for, like, an 8 hour workshop or a 2, 3 hour session. I don't know. Whatever. You have
Aaron
to figure that out. But, like You know, I do a week or 2 of research, and then we have a 2, 3 hour call that
Ian
Something like that. Yeah. Right. There's probably different ways. You'd have to figure out the right, you know, way to package it up.
But,
Aaron
right.
Ian
Yeah. I mean, I would imagine that there would be people very interested in that because it's all it's very hard thing to understand. I think what works on YouTube, let's just say in particular, what doesn't, how do you make something that resonates? Obviously everybody sees these ones that do big, but they also see, oh, there's 8,000,000,000 of these other ones that have 50 views and they spent tens of 1,000 of dollars for this video. And in the end, nobody saw it.
The I'll go trash them and Right. They don't understand how to make it work and all that stuff. So people are definitely looking for help. I'm sure, with this stuff. The ticket.
There you go.
Aaron
This is the ticket, man. This is how we go.
Ian
Week you're having? What are we doing?
Aaron
We gotta charge for this podcast.
Ian
We got an hour. This is great. This is Now
Aaron
we're thinking. Whatever we're gonna charge, we gotta charge double. I'm on I'm on double. I'm on a roll
Ian
here, man. Everything double. This is
Aaron
great. Okay. I I dig it. I'm glad I brought it up.
Ian
Yeah. This is where we hash these things out. I love it. That's amazing. Alright.
So we'll see where you go with that, but that's exciting. I like that idea.
Aaron
I'll keep I'll keep you posted there.
Ian
Keep us posted. Alright. So we have one topic left.
Aaron
We got one. I'm I'm very happy with this. Technical. We've got one
Ian
technical topic, so buckle up, folks. The preamble is
Aaron
over 53 minutes in. We're ready to
Ian
go. I'm very happy about this one, though. So that's why
Aaron
it needs
Ian
to be the only one.
Aaron
That's right.
Ian
Only one because it's very important, which is Taylor has, Taylor Hotwell of Laravel has decided to leave the config files in Laravel 11,
Aaron
which I'm very, very
Ian
happy about. We're so happy. So I'll I'll set
Aaron
I'll set the table, and then you tell me why you're so happy. So there was a
Ian
lot of, in Laravel, there are,
Aaron
you know, 10, 12, 15 config files that are just nicely organized. They just hold variables, like, what's your postmark keys? You What database driver do you want to use? That sort of thing. There are a bunch of them.
There's been some conversation that all of those files are overwhelming to newcomers. I can't really say I haven't been a newcomer to Laravel in a long time, but I feel warm and fuzzy and at home having all these config files. And for a while, he was gonna change it to basically, like, 1, just default everything and then have one config file where you basically, like, configure it using methods on on, you know, a a variable application variable or something. And, you know, it kinda went back and forth of, are we doing this to make it easier for newcomers, or does it hide a bunch of stuff? And I think he's settled.
Apparently, based on Twitter, he's settled on leaving the config files. So, Ian, how are you feeling?
Ian
I'm feeling great. I feel like a $1,000,000,000. I love the config files. I think they're super important. I love looking in the config files.
Aaron
Me too.
Ian
I don't wanna go to doc I mean, it puts a huge burden on documentation of stuff that's not not documented or semi documented, that would have to be done. I think also it was gonna be in the environmental file is where you were gonna be able to set things like Mhmm. Which to me, see, I don't like mixing those worlds. To me, the environmental file is, like, for passwords and keys and things like that. I know there are some exceptions of other stuff in there, but that's
Aaron
what you're making. You're making a distinction between config and secrets, basically.
Ian
Yes. Exactly. Like, the config is something I wanna commit to the repo. This is how it's configured. Like, this is how it deploys.
Right? Like, there's not an environmental factor to how this works if it's configured like x y z. Whereas if I'm now, like, setting my configuration stuff in the environment file, like, that's all like a weird mixing of worlds.
Aaron
Right.
Ian
It also makes the that's gonna make that file really huge, which I don't love. Like, I like to just go in there and be like, here's my keys. Here's my database password. That's kinda it. Like, there's not like a whole bunch of other stuff I have to wade through in there.
So I just think it's better all around. It's I think it's easier for newcomers. I think it's better for the docs. Think it's better for the users. So I'm very excited.
Very excited.
Aaron
I love you know? There's one thing I love. It's being right, And we were right, baby.
Ian
We were right.
Aaron
This this is the way to go.
Ian
Let's see, Tayl I I always trust in Taylor, and in the end Of course. Taylor makes the right decision. So Of course. You know?
Aaron
And I didn't for one second, I didn't think this is gonna this is gonna be terrible. I just let go and let God. And you know what? It came it came out
Ian
our way anyway. So here we are. Go. It's all worked out. Very hard
Aaron
work. Out.
Ian
So that's our big technical technical item for the week.
Aaron
We're somewhat technical. That's your technical topic. I think we should wrap on you
Ian
did you did a little field work this week.
Aaron
You went to Chipotle.
Ian
Oh, shoot. How do we not I we we haven't put this down. Holy cow.
Aaron
Thanks. Thanks for
Ian
choosing a trap.
Aaron
I remembered it. So first of all
Ian
Mind vice.
Aaron
You called it you called it Chipotle's, which is hysterical.
Ian
Not
Aaron
not not not not possessive. It's not it's not Chipotle Chipotles or Chipotays or
Ian
There are multiple like Chipotle.
Aaron
Yes, there are. However, you went to 1, and also you did an apostrophe, which is possessive, not plural. Anyway, you got a bowl of sour cream. What is your, what is your ruling?
Ian
Okay. So I was like, alright. I'm hungry for lunch. I'm gonna now I'll be fair. I DoorDash it, so I wasn't right there.
I didn't get it maximum freshness. So it's DoorDash.
Aaron
Also didn't get to you also didn't get to control the portions.
Ian
Well, I mean, they let you refute they might control the port. I mean, I guess, like, you sort of, like, saw something off. I could do, like, get rid of that.
Aaron
If I'm standing there and she's going for her 4th scoop of sour cream, I'm gonna say something, but you're not there.
Ian
And so the DoorDash is like, yeah. Load it up, baby. So I got the gimbaltes. I got the rice bowl, some chicken. I like the fajita vegetables.
Aaron
K.
Ian
I got the black beans, cheese and, sour cream. Now I will say the photo, there wasn't probably quite as much sour cream as the photo implied. It looked like just a bowl of soda.
Aaron
So implied that they gave you all the sour cream.
Ian
Yeah. Yeah. I would say it wasn't quite that bad.
Aaron
Also also, this whole conversation is moot if you DoorDash it. None of this counts for anything.
Ian
I don't know. There was just stuff that was wrong. There's just stuff that's not DoorDash related. Like, the chicken was dry, and it's not because the DoorDash
Aaron
out on the way in guy's car. No.
Ian
No. You
Aaron
guys smoking weed, bringing you his chicken, and it's The chicken's always dry now. No.
Ian
No. No. No. And it was insanely spicy, which I thought was a little odd, which I'm fine with spice, but it was I don't recall like, maybe it felt, like, more spicy than I remember it. So, like, there's some kind of, like, quality control.
No.
Aaron
I think that's the age issue. You're you're you're mellowing in your old age. I got to
Ian
see about what else. I've been more into spice since I go. No. And, you know, it was fine. It was fun.
Aaron
Yeah. Because it was
Ian
But it wasn't amazing. It wasn't oh, it used to be amazing. It used to be like, woah.
Aaron
This is
Ian
fresh and awesome. Anytime you had it. And we used to No.
Aaron
You were not confident enough in that process.
Ian
To get it. And when I was in New York city, so I have a New York city rule, which is I do not eat chain food in New York city because there's so much good food in New York city.
Aaron
I have the option to
Ian
eat chains. I know, which is why we're gonna fix you. It's not part of your problem with New York. You're only eating the chains. That's the bad idea.
Aaron
It's great. I went to Chipotle the first time I was in New York City.
Ian
I went to Chipotle.
Aaron
It was awesome. It was great. So happy.
Ian
I would make the exception for Chipotle because it's the only place I could get it, and I heard it's super awesome. And it's awesome. Get it, and it was super awesome.
Aaron
See?
Ian
And it's just not super awesome. And by the way, Twitter agrees with me. Twitter was like, yeah. It's not super awesome.
Aaron
No. No. No. No. No.
Matt responds my side. You. Everyone else was like, why'd you get so much sour cream? 22 people. 2 famously contrarian people agreed
Ian
with everyone else. Famously true.
Aaron
Everyone else is like, bro, you got too much sour cream. And the fact that you didn't even disclose it was DoorDash, just that just the whole thing is off. I think
Ian
I did. Did not not maybe not the original tweet, but I think I did disclose. But Let's
Aaron
put a follow-up tweet. Nobody reads a follow-up tweet. Listen.
Ian
I'm gonna go to Chipotle's. I'm gonna go to Chipotle's this week. Chipotle's. They have a stupid name. Let's just start that.
Right? You can't even say their name properly. I'm a
Aaron
little nervous now. Their name properly.
Ian
I I think it's actually a northeast kinda thing. I think it's one of those northeast scenarios here.
Aaron
Yeah. Maybe.
Ian
But, I don't know. It was it was fine. Like, it'll it'll it's not
Aaron
a worthless
Ian
sick probably.
Aaron
Worthless segment. I got no I got no valuable insight out of that segment. No.
Ian
Here's a valuable insight, man. Here's a good insight. What was awesome from the order was I got this, and I never do this because I almost always just drink water, but I was like, I'm taking the Chipotle. I gotta have something with it. I got the it's called, like it's just labeled, I think, organic lemonade.
Like, that's just what the label says. Organic lemonade. It was quite good.
Aaron
Not lemonade, man? No. You don't like lemonade? No. I I I like lemonade.
Lemonade lemonade doesn't do anything for me.
Ian
Not enough aspartine in it?
Aaron
Not yet. It's too much sugar, so the numbers go up, and I don't get the I don't get the brain shrinkage of aspartame. And so I'm like, what's the point?
Ian
If if this isn't if
Aaron
this isn't gonna shrink my brain and make me forget stuff, why am I drinking lemonade in the first place? Give me Diet Coke.
Ian
Maybe I'll help somebody out there. Oh, Diet Coke. It's
Aaron
Coke 0,
Ian
Diet Coke. I had a lot of follow-up on that too. I
Aaron
had 2 diet Cokes this weekend when I was out of town. Ian, And they were from the gun. They were from, like, you know, the fountain based fountain. Yeah.
Ian
Right. Mhmm.
Aaron
I've I've never been so alive. Diet Coke from the fountain, the bubbles.
Ian
It's as much as you get. 28 ounces of it.
Aaron
Just right. The mix is per the the syrup to carbonation mix.
Ian
Dirty ice in there. It's just Yeah.
Aaron
They're scooping ice out of a big trough. You're it oh my gosh. The bubbles just hit. It was the best. They are usually
Ian
bubblier that way. Yeah.
Aaron
I came yeah. There's so much bubblier. I came home and told Jennifer. I was like, man, Diet Coke still hits. It's so good.
It is so good. So that was my big that was my big, confession
Ian
for the weekend.
Aaron
Yeah. I went too hard. I got 2 sodas. Remembered remembered what it's like to feel happy, and it was just it
Ian
was awesome. So Think about how good. If you limit it to, you know, when you're on vacation, then it's gonna be such a it's just gonna add to the high of the trips, you know?
Aaron
Yeah. And that's what that's what, you know, that's what Jennifer and I agreed on when I came home. She's like, I think that's fine. You know, you you got it. You can't just you can't.
Yeah. Yeah. You can't be a monk your entire life. You gotta have one every now and then. Like, yeah, I agree.
I agree.
Ian
I'm good with that.
Aaron
Little little bit of a little bit of accountability confession here. But There
Ian
you go. Every time you buy a Coke, we wanna do we wanna hear about it.
Aaron
Better than ever.
Ian
Gah. So good. Also, if you're on
Aaron
Twitter telling me that I should just drink water, I invalidate that opinion. That's like, that's the people are like, oh, why do you care about diet Cokes? You just drink water. I'm like, okay. You don't understand what I'm saying.
Ian
Modern society, all that stuff.
Aaron
Oh, it's the worst. Like, I'm gonna drink water like it's the 1800s.
Ian
The technology to make labor liquids. Yeah. It's ridiculous. Are you are you I don't know about this about you. Are you an alcohol man?
And are you an alcohol man now? Like, have you switched?
Aaron
I would never I would never brand myself as an alcohol man. Okay. That's for sure.
Ian
That's too heavy.
Aaron
Do I do I like to
Ian
drink alcohol? Sure. Yeah. I would love to drink alcohol.
Aaron
However, am I an alcohol man? I'm gonna have to go with no.
Ian
What do you what's your what are you a beer man? Are you a hard liquor man? What's your what's your flavor?
Aaron
Oh, hard liquor only. I don't drink a lot of beer. Never really have. Mhmm. Just not just not a big beer guy.
There are there are some beers that I really like, but I'm not like, oh, what what can I see your beer menu? I'm like You're
Ian
not like buying beer to bring home. No. I don't think I've
Aaron
ever bought a 12 pack of beer to bring home to my house and my entire life.
Ian
What about wine? It's cover all the
Aaron
I don't like wine. I have pretty, pretty low low brow tastes. People are like, this is really good wine, and I'm like, it is red. It is. Yeah.
Ian
It's all good after the first class. It's good. Yeah.
Aaron
Like wine.
Ian
Okay.
Aaron
But I will I will definitely enjoy a classic cocktail. And before before all of this health stuff happened, I would drink a lot more cocktails. But now I'm kinda like, come all these weird medicines. I should probably lay off a little bit. So I probably have now I probably have, you know, 1 to 2 drinks a week.
So not not very much. I used to used to drink wine more on the week, like, weeknights have wine with dinner.
Ian
Yeah.
Aaron
But now I don't really drink at home much anymore. But if I'm seeing friends, I'll definitely have a cocktail. But am I an alcohol man? Oh, no.
Ian
I'm not an alcoholic man. Alcoholic. Just an alcohol man.
Aaron
Boy, those are close, though, aren't they?
Ian
Close. But they're Hey.
Aaron
I'm Aaron. I'm an alcohol man. Like, I don't know.
Ian
Oh, man. Probably about a week. Oh, man. Yeah. Before kids, we used to go out to dinner and, 2 bottles of wine.
Two bottles of wine was a nice dinner out.
Aaron
Between the 2 of you? Yeah. That's a lot of bottles of wine.
Ian
Wife is better drinker than I am, actually.
Aaron
Oh, good for her.
Ian
Yeah. But Would you call her an alcohol woman? Think too much. I would call her an alcohol woman for sure.
Aaron
Would she call herself an alcohol woman?
Ian
She would. I think so. Okay. Although lately, now she's kinda off it. So we went to this whole bit.
She has a whole big wine collection. We have bought we have a wine cellar of sorts.
Aaron
Woah. Not like a
Ian
not like a built out wine cellar or a
Aaron
wood panel. Cellar upstairs?
Ian
No, it's in the basement in like the unfinished basement, you know, just like a rack down there, but she has like some nice bottles, whatever. But now, like, the wine messes up her sleep. So now she's off the wine and we have all this wine, but then she's like, doesn't wanna
Aaron
drink anything. Let you drink the good stuff when you're watching messy.
Ian
I know. So I opened last night I was making burgers, and I was like, I want wine with these burgers. So I went and opened a bottle. So I had to just go find some cheap ass piece of crap bottle. So I was like, in case she didn't want any, I'm not wasting this whole bottle of a good bottle.
Like, so it's yeah. We gotta we gotta do something here because I gotta have the good wine. I like the good wine, the good
Aaron
wine, the better the better. Get her back to sleep, and then once her sleep is fixed, you all can imbibe the
Ian
new chili pad. You have as much wine as you want with the chili pad. They should put that in advertisements. That Now that's sad. Sell them.
Aaron
Yeah. Are you an alcohol man? Try the chili pad.
Ian
Double your consumption with the chili pad.
Aaron
Oh, that's great. Alright.
Ian
That's where we got it there. Yeah. That's it. That's it. You got stuff to do.
You got training to do.
Aaron
That's right.
Ian
Alright. Mostlytechnical.com, if you wanna just, you know, see all the stuff we've done in the past, at mostly tech pod, if you wanna hit us up on Twitter where we may or may not remember your feedback, but you can try. And then, mostly technical podcast atgmail.com, if you would like us to definitely read your feedback and, possibly talk about it on the show. So, thanks everybody, and we will see you next week. Bye.
Aaron
See you.