Episode

Mostly Technical · Jun 11, 2024

Morning Person

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Ian & Aaron discuss what's going on with Aaron's course and Ian's feistiness on Twitter before diving into what's going on with Aaron's HVAC system (seriously) and a lot more.

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Transcript
00:00

Ian

Hello? We are back, baby.

00:02

Aaron

Back with a normal episode. We've done few weeks of, interviews and stuff, so we're going back to the Now

00:07

Ian

regular format. We've had a lot of guests. I've I've missed my just sit around and complain with Ian time. Right. Had to, like I've had to put on my shiny face.

00:16

You know, when Taylor comes on the show, you gotta you gotta be all happy, and now let's just complain about some stuff, man.

00:22

Aaron

We could do that. We could do that.

00:23

Ian

I love that. That's

00:24

Aaron

my favorite thing.

00:26

Ian

It was funny. Somebody said on Twitter that when they'd never seen Taylor more alive than when you 2 started talking about Star Wars.

00:35

Aaron

I should pick up that episode. We did the episode of the had this little podcast for, like, 5 or 10 episodes, anything but code, which is I remember that. The most exciting call, obviously. And, Yeah. We did a couple we just I I was episode 7 or I think when it came out, we did a we did a podcast about it.

00:53

So, yeah, Star Wars, man. He was drinking it. I didn't notice this real time, but somebody pointed out that he's drinking separate Coke Zeros from inside his desk. He's

01:01

Ian

just Double fist and Coke zeros.

01:04

Aaron

Oh, we had him in his zone.

01:07

Ian

Performance, baby.

01:08

Aaron

I never thought I'm, like, so anti soda, and I never thought my podcast would become a platform for big soda, but I feel like it's just all the time. It's big sodas on here getting in, weaseling it

01:18

Ian

Rubbing it in our faces. Yeah. I know. Free advertising. Now that I'm now that I'm anti soda, everybody's like, hey.

01:24

Let's let's tag Aaron every time I drink a soda. And I'm like, no.

01:29

Aaron

Guess we have bond just got one of those, like, beer hats, but it's just going to

01:32

Ian

be a Coke

01:32

Aaron

0 getting piped into their mouth

01:34

Ian

from God's jaws. Dream. Oh, man. I would love to have one of those full of diet Cokes.

01:41

Aaron

How is your your, going cold turkey on your soda situation? You alright?

01:47

Ian

Yeah. It's fine. Yeah. I get I get one maybe every week or 2 weeks. I'll, like, be driving around, and I'll, yeah, I'll drive through McDonald's and get, you know, one and feel like I'm alive again.

02:02

But it's fine. You know, I really haven't had one from the can in a couple of months, and it's it's okay. It's just not it's not great. I would love to drink soda, but I think and I hate I hate that I'm about to say this. I think I feel a little bit better.

02:18

Oh. I know. Wow. Don't you hate that? I hate that.

02:23

There's nothing worse than resisting something and then doing it and finding out that everyone was right. That is, like, man, I just that's the worst. But, yeah, I think I feel I think I feel a little bit better. I'm sleeping better. And honestly, I think I feel like, my stomach feels better.

02:40

I think I was out in, you know, 3 or 4 sodas a day, and I'm not sure that's good for the old, you know, whatever gut health is that's made up. But I don't know if it affects this. So

02:50

Aaron

Yeah. Yeah.

02:51

Ian

I feel a little bit better.

02:52

Aaron

That's good. Yeah. Caffeine, all that sugar. It's like, I had this the other day where, like, I made a oatmeal. Right?

02:59

Like, I boiled the steel cut oats, like, steel cut oats to boil them. Right? And, like, and I wanted cinnamon brown sugar oatmeal. Right? And so I'm like, oh, man.

03:07

Alright. How much sugar to put in? And I made this I made a half a cup of steel cut oats, so, like, kind of a bigger amount. So I was like, alright. I'm gonna do a tablespoon of brown sugar, which is like a lot of sugar.

03:15

I was like, how much sugar is in a tablespoon? It's probably, like, a 100 grams. I don't even know. It's 12 grams of sugar. And I was like, this seemed like an insane amount of sugar put in, like, when you scoop it.

03:24

And I'm like, a can of Coke's got, like, 56

03:26

Ian

50. Like that.

03:27

Aaron

Yeah. So it's like, if I took 4 of these and put them into some water and spun it up, that's like what a one can of Coke

03:33

Ian

Oh, man. It's That's some good water right there.

03:37

Aaron

In the

03:37

Ian

shoot. I would love that.

03:39

Aaron

Think so. If you had to, like, literally make your own soda by putting the sugar into it, you'd be like, holy cow. This is an unbelievable amount of sugar.

03:46

Ian

But no.

03:48

Aaron

I had also seen one thing where that I started, I've become a morning person.

03:51

Ian

Woah. Yeah.

03:53

Aaron

So I've switched sides. I've always been a late night person. Been switching the morning person. So I I wake up at, like, between 5:30, 6:15 in there. I, like, do a meditation, and I go for a walk.

04:07

I do my 3 mile walk every morning just about

04:10

Ian

You're you're a new man.

04:11

Aaron

Days. I'm a new man, and I have to say, I think it is better. I'm still my brain is processing it a little bit weirdly. Like, at night, I'm like, oh, shouldn't I be, like, coding something or doing something? Yeah.

04:23

Like, so because I'm and then I'm just too tired by, like, 10 o'clock to, like, start doing anything. So I'm like, okay. I I can't I, like, literally can't do it. And but, yeah, I think it is better, like, starting your day with, like, walk and being outside and, like In the quiet. Yeah.

04:39

Quiet or just listen to a podcast that I feel like I haven't had time for in forever, so I'll listen to some podcasts or audiobook and just be amongst the birds or whatever.

04:48

Ian

I hate that. It it is true. Terrible. It is very true that, like, waking up early and starting your day early just feels better. It's

04:58

Aaron

so bad.

04:58

Ian

It's just better, and I hate it so much.

05:00

Aaron

It's so bad.

05:01

Ian

At this at this rate, I'm gonna try being a vegan and doing CrossFit, and I'm gonna be like, shoot. They were right too. But I know horrible. It's horrible. Waking up early is better.

05:11

I I have a hard time doing it. I don't do it much anymore. But there was a period where I was waking up at, like, 5:30 or 6, and it was just better. I just felt like I got so much more accomplished. I I would look up, and it's 11 o'clock, and I'm like, well, that was a good day.

05:27

I did a lot of good work there. Yeah. So I know

05:30

Aaron

Even that I'm not even utilizing it that way. I'm taking it more on the, like, cleanse my mind, lower stress kind of angle to it, and just get some exercise. But

05:39

Ian

A little little more of the woo woo instead of

05:41

Aaron

the cap.

05:42

Ian

More woo woo. Yeah.

05:43

Aaron

Yeah. But even if I wanted to or sometimes needed to go capitalist on it, it's like, well, if I woke up at 6, like, I'd probably be a lot fresher. Like, if I jumped into working, I'd probably do a lot better stuff between 6 and 8 than I do from 11 to 1. Like that's the problem, you know, where presumably I'm gonna be more awake and aware and all that stuff. So even for that, it's probably better.

06:03

And, of course, my wife has been, like, trying to get me to do this for literally 20 something years. And so

06:09

Ian

Well, I hope she doesn't listen. You can't tell.

06:12

Aaron

I know. That's so bad.

06:13

Ian

Amy, you're right. Ian was wrong.

06:16

Aaron

Oh, Yuri. Listens anyway. Maybe she'll miss this one. Let me

06:19

Ian

Hopefully, she misses this one. Yeah.

06:21

Aaron

But so that's that's, been good. I don't know. We'll see how winter goes. It's not like Texas where it's just nice all year long. Mhmm.

06:28

We do have a treadmill, but walking on treadmill is not No. I don't love that.

06:31

Ian

So much. Yeah.

06:32

Aaron

I like being outside. So I don't know. We'll see how it goes. But alright. Everybody's getting healthy on the most technical podcast where No.

06:40

Ian

I'm trying, man. That's what that's what happens when you get old.

06:43

Aaron

Yeah. You gotta start. I mean, that's the thing. It's like, I've always tried different workout strategies and like, I inevitably like hurt myself or I just stopped doing it or whatever. And so I've just reset on a totally different strategy, which is just walk.

06:59

Like, I'm just starting with walking, like, 3 miles, 4 miles. I'm just starting there because, like, you just sit and do literally nothing all day. Nothing. Tub, you know?

07:08

Ian

Yes.

07:08

Aaron

And it's like, I'm gonna be able to walk. I'm not gonna hurt myself, and that's all gonna be fine. And so that's my strategy. So far, I've been going good, like, a month or so this. So we'll see how it goes.

07:19

But I've been really liking it. Definitely feel a big difference even just physically, like, it does when you're doing nothing, going from nothing to walking 3 or 4 miles, you actually do feel a lot. Like, at some point, presumably, I'll probably, like, whatever. I could I could up it, go faster, whatever, but, like, phase 1 is just, oh, actually use my body in a normal way. Let's start there instead

07:40

Ian

of just

07:40

Aaron

sitting all day. So

07:42

Ian

Oh, man. Diet and exercise.

07:44

Aaron

Oh, god. Lame podcast.

07:46

Ian

Lame what a lame freaking answer

07:52

Aaron

talking about your diet

07:55

Ian

and stuff.

07:56

Aaron

Man, this is rough. This is rough here.

07:58

Ian

We already complained about the technology, kiddos, and now we're talking about diet and exercise. We might as well just move into the home, Ian.

08:07

Aaron

Where we're throw a couple weeks ago, we're thrown down with the JavaScript kids. Now we're, like, we're walking and waking up early. We're getting our fiber. Like, what transition that says for the poor listening.

08:19

Ian

Such as life. Yeah. Alright. What are we doing today?

08:22

Aaron

I had a crazy week, man.

08:24

Ian

Tell me. I love a crazy week.

08:26

Aaron

Crazy. I mean, this is one of these weeks. It's been on our calendar for, like, a year, and it's just like every week you're a week closer to this upcoming week that's on your calendar. It's gonna be stressful.

08:37

Ian

This is foreboding. Yeah.

08:39

Aaron

It's good, but it's stressful. It's all 3 kids. The alignment of my children's ages are such that all 3 of them this year had a graduation in the same week.

08:48

Ian

Oh, man. So it was absolute chaos. So what are they graduating from? Give me the

08:53

Aaron

the rundown. The big one, high school. I'll get the high school graduation, with accompanying party, of course, of course, which was on Sunday. And then we had middle school graduation.

09:05

Ian

Great. What is that? Graduating out of 8th grade?

09:08

Aaron

8th to 9th. Yep. So out of 8th grade and then, and then out of 5th grade. So grade school graduation. So grade school.

09:15

Okay. All of them were between Wednesday and Friday in different times. And the high school one had a dinner the night before. And, you know, so we're, and then we're prepping for the party that we're throwing, that we're not doing at our house. So we're having to box up stuff and haul it around and, you know, get it all prepped for shipping it around in my truck.

09:32

And it was a lot. But everything turned out good.

09:36

Ian

You made it.

09:36

Aaron

Very nice. I made it through. K. Everybody was happy. Yeah.

09:40

My kids' school, the older 2, they actually give speeches. So it's not just like the graduation. It's not just like, woah. Get handed a little diploma thing and walk back to their seat. They got up there and did a several minute speech.

09:56

So that was really cool. The middle kid was the middle schooler was quite anxious about this, but he executed very well. So it was really cute to see him up there and enunciating and taking the time, and he did a good, a great job with it. And then the older one did a really good job with his. He didn't he was nervous, I think, but he didn't at least express it to us as much of his nerves.

10:16

So, Yeah. You know, family and photos and all all the things.

10:25

Ian

So yeah, week, man.

10:27

Aaron

Yeah, it was a big week. It was just like, just all like back to back to back 3 days in a row. It's just like, you don't even get that breather of, like, waiting for trash for a day or anything. Luckily, you know, work was alright. No.

10:38

No. Not a big drama at work, so that was good. We didn't have any servers collapse or anything weird. And, so there's no extra extra stuff. But, Yeah.

10:48

It was it's a really cool stage. I think in the future, it'll be night. Like, so in 4 years, we'll have the same thing with the older 2, but at least last month in college. So that happens like a month before the high school one. So we'll have a break in there.

11:00

So we we shouldn't have this exact scenario again of everybody literally all at once. That was all life achievement, little badge there.

11:11

Ian

Man, that is getting getting one graduated from high school. Is he going off to college?

11:17

Aaron

Yep. He's going to college.

11:19

Ian

In, like, on campus, or he's out of the house?

11:21

Aaron

He's not shipping them. Shipping them out. Wow. Which, we didn't we didn't live on campus. We commuted, where Jamie and I went.

11:30

So, yeah, this will be the first in the direct family of either side to go live at college. I believe there's, like, cousins who have and stuff, but none of the parents or grandparents or anybody like that lived at college. So that'll be fun and new and exciting. We'll see how that goes. So that's why we got a couple couple months there.

11:51

So hopefully that go that's our next big on the calendar. Bring the kids to school. See how

11:57

Ian

that goes. You're gonna have 2 kids in the house and not 3.

12:01

Aaron

It's gonna be crazy.

12:02

Ian

I've only ever known increasing children in the house, not decreasing. That's crazy.

12:07

Aaron

Decrease eventually. Yeah.

12:08

Ian

That's amazing.

12:09

Aaron

It's gonna be interesting too because, yeah, that's gonna really change the dynamic. I don't know. And they all have 3 have very different personalities. So, like, his personality not being there will be just a change. And then the other 2 are more kind of into doing kind of activities and things like structured activities.

12:26

So, like, I don't know. How does that change things? I'm not sure. Like, I don't know. We'll we'll be 4 people when we go places, which will be unbelievable.

12:35

I'm so That's

12:36

Ian

gonna be awesome. Society is built for families of 4.

12:39

Aaron

A 100%. This is why everybody's out there complaining there's not enough kids. The society is like, if you have more than 4 people in your family, we don't want you. Don't come into our restaurant. Don't come to our theme park.

12:50

Don't get anywhere. Yep. Don't get an Uber. You can't get an Uber. You can't do anything with more than 4 people.

12:57

Ian

So you can't do anything.

12:58

Aaron

That's going to be quite the revelation for.

13:01

Ian

I don't even know. 8 months a year. As a family now because you have to have we I think you have to have 2 adults in a row. Like, you can't have because of the oxygen masks and the responsible parties, like, there have to be a certain number of adults to kids. And I think we're too many kids.

13:19

Really? Too many too many kids that are too young. Yeah. Yeah. Because when we flew when we flew with the babies, we couldn't just sit like, you know, me and 2 babies in a row.

13:30

It had to be like I sat with 1 baby and Jennifer sat with 1 baby.

13:34

Aaron

Really? I wonder if you could be baby human baby baby Babies are

13:39

Ian

humans, Ian. Yeah.

13:40

Aaron

You know what I'm saying, though. I I use that term on purpose. But if they had a baby on each side of the adult

13:48

Ian

Yeah. Then

13:48

Aaron

maybe that is sufficient?

13:49

Ian

I don't think so. Wow. I think it was and it could have been under the age of 2, and so now that ours are 3, might they might be okay. But it was I specifically remember Jennifer and I had to book seats on different sides of the aisle so that one could hold 1 baby and one could hold the other. Wow.

14:06

Aaron

Yeah. Yeah. Flying those same thing. It's like, oh, you can sit together in the middle thing with 4, but then when you go to 5, you can't.

14:13

Ian

Who's gonna

14:14

Aaron

get ejected to the other side or in front or whatever?

14:18

Ian

Roller coasters, pairs of 2. Roller coasters. Kid left out.

14:23

Aaron

Yeah. Normally means, like, multiple people are left out because this ends up being like, well, just 2 people go and forget it. Like, so yeah. Yeah. You guys are in real rough shape there because it's like, what Real.

14:34

You're gonna have 3, which is a weird number too a lot of times. So, like

14:39

Ian

And you know what? This graduation stuff, it might it might hit us like a brick wall because it there is a possibility. I don't know this for sure. There's a possibility that our older 2 kids start school. Like, they get held back, basically, because their birthdays are in May.

14:57

So that's kind of right on the bubble. Do we hold them back or do we start them? We'll probably hold them back at this rate, which which means we could have 4 kids that are 1 grade apart, which means we're

15:12

Aaron

gonna go from

15:12

Ian

4 kids in the house to 0 kids in the house like that.

15:16

Aaron

That's crazy.

15:17

Ian

It's gonna be the a blink of an eye.

15:19

Aaron

To be honest, it's gonna be a

15:20

Ian

0 kids in the house, and I think it's gonna hit us. It's gonna hit us pretty hard.

15:25

Aaron

Yeah. That might be a little tight, but I also think this stretching it out because, like, once you get the first one done, it's like, okay. Like, first one's out of out of high school Yeah. When they're out of the house. And it's like, oh, but there's 7 more years to go.

15:38

Mhmm. So, like, it's not really like

15:40

Ian

Yep.

15:41

Aaron

You could totally change it. We're not moving or, like, whatever. Like, it's like, we can't blow up our life and do a bunch of different stuff yet either. So it's like, well, we thought to get these other 2 out. So that's, like, a very stretched out process, whereas you're gonna suffer a lot of pain all along the way because you have this such incredible number over basically all the same age.

16:00

Ian

Such an incredible number.

16:02

Aaron

Then when they all leave, that will be kinda nice because you'll be able to be like, boom. We can, like we wanna move into Vegas. We wanna do whatever. We wanna go

16:11

Ian

whatever we wanna do. But it's not gonna be Vegas. Let's see. And north. I'm gonna go up north for sure.

16:17

In 18 years, I will be 53 years old. Yep. So 53 with 0 kids in the house. That's gonna be wild.

16:28

Aaron

Yeah. That's about what I'll be 54, I guess, when when the baby leaves. So pretty similar, I guess.

16:35

Ian

Okay. You'll have to let me know how it is.

16:37

Aaron

Yeah. We'll see. I don't know. It's it's gonna be, yeah. I I don't know.

16:43

We'll see. It's gonna be nice to both. So the other problem we've always had in the world not built for this many kids is all the kids for various reasons too complicated to get into right now have often been in either different schools or different parts of the same school with different schedules and different things going on Yes. Which is its own crazy nightmare. And now one, so in addition to one kid leaving and kind of change the dynamic there, both kids are at the same school with the same schedule.

17:12

The other 2. So now is like gonna really open up a day and they're required to stay till 5 most of the year for they have to play sports, basically. And so now that does actually open up the day a lot more. It's like 8 to 5. Kids are out of the house during the school year.

17:27

They're on the same schedule for vacations and things. The oldest one's just doing his old his own thing, but he's old. So whatever he'll float back in and, you know, when he has breaks or whatever. But, yeah. So it's gonna be quite a different dynamic shift once we get to the fall.

17:42

We'll see, we'll see how it goes, but there is some that that part's gonna be a nice little life change there.

17:48

Ian

Well, somehow, in all of this hustle and bustle, you've still found time to pick fights on Twitter with the JS boys. You gotta be kidding me.

17:56

Aaron

I feel like you.

17:57

Ian

You're you're you have come alive. You're just you're poking the beast. What's going on over there?

18:03

Aaron

Well, let me not I think like this. The tweet we have listed here was actually before it was it was somewhat before the, somewhat before the graduation time, but I don't know. I mean

18:16

Ian

I feel like you've been super spicy to it. Yeah.

18:19

Aaron

I have been a little spicy. Because okay. So here's my main thing that it's hard to convey on Twitter. Right? It's like and I do think there is some some of these j s guys are just bad.

18:30

That's just it, and that's fine. Some of them, I think, are just, like, I don't think, like, I think Dax and Adam are great guys and stuff like that. Adam's not even the j s guy, I don't think. But, like, so that side of the world, I think, gets it. But to me, I just feel like I only care about software because I care about building things.

18:49

Right? Yes. And the the software is a means to an end. Correct. And that end might be helping people, that end might be making money, that end might be providing them.

19:00

Whatever the end goal you have, it requires building the software to accomplish a goal. What does it feel like in the JavaScript world? There's a lot of people just build the software to build software, to talk about building software, or to be cool on Twitter.

19:12

Ian

Build more software. Yeah.

19:14

Aaron

Yeah. And so they're not, like, they don't really have a strong understanding of, like, what most of the rest of the software world is trying to do, which is to build something for a reason that has an end goal beyond the software in and of itself. Like they're not actually trying to build software just to build software because building software is fun. Although that is part of it, and I have fun building software, but that's not my only goal in building software. So I think this is where most of my the angst comes from.

19:45

And when I try to point out things that are more logical and how business people and people who build software for the most part, think about it. You know, that's a very different than somebody who doesn't think that way and just wants to, like, post cool memes on Twitter and get a bunch of reactions. Mhmm. So, yeah, I don't know. I don't know.

20:07

So the treat deeper.

20:08

Ian

One of the treats you sent was that, you've had a customer for 9 teen years. Yeah. 19 years.

20:18

Aaron

We should yeah. This is a good tweet to talk about because, like, this one, it's not even totally at the JS guides. Right? But it is a little bit of a it's a little bit of a sideswipe.

20:24

Ian

It was on theme. It was a little bit of Ian's. It was a little bit of Ian's. Like, I'm a serious business person. I'm glad you're out here.

20:31

Aaron

Like, this is cool. Let's let's spend a week talking about the 3 millisecond difference from, you know, when you VPN to Guam and back and whatever. And it's like, like, okay. We could talk about that. Okay.

20:44

Before we talk this tweet, what's your take on this? Because here's another thing.

20:47

Ian

Oh, yeah. Here we

20:47

Aaron

go. This has bothered me in this whole JavaScript thing. K. I'm assuming everybody's up to speed because we did talk about it with Taylor last week too. But it's like, you're testing over 3 g.

20:58

Right? K. And I feel like, again, this is like an area of, like, there's just a lack of real world experience because

21:03

Ian

k.

21:04

Aaron

I've used 3 g networks. Like, I was there when they came up. Right? It's like, oh, 3 g. And all everybody's thinking about the 3 g, like, okay.

21:12

Well, what about the people with slow connections? Which where most of your customers are isn't even a factor. But let's just say it is. Let's just say you really wanna make sure everybody has great experience even if they're in the ultra rural area, whatever. And maybe I'm just thinking about this wrong, but the way I

21:25

Ian

think about it, you gotta hit me. What's, like, here's what I wanna I wanna offer my take.

21:29

Aaron

Here's how I think about 3 g. The problem with 3 g is not not just that it's slow. K?

21:38

Ian

Mhmm.

21:39

Aaron

But that it is unreliable. It has worse HTTP connections. It drops the network more often. Mhmm. HTTP requests fail more often.

21:49

K. So testing 3 g over your fiber connection 20% of the time, like your, the 20% of the time, like your, the request is just gonna straight fail. Yeah. And what happens then? And so are you actually properly testing your optimistic UI?

22:10

Because you're testing it like it will complete eventually. But my theory is it's not going to ever complete. There's things that will never complete. So what happens when it never completes? How does it retry and blah blah?

22:21

And maybe their stocks handle all that. I don't know. But the Chrome tools do not simulate that as far as I can tell. Like, I dug around a little bit on this. They don't simulate straight failure.

22:32

Like, you can just make it slow and whatever, but that's not the same as failing. And it's gonna fail a lot because that's what it does. So even that whole thing is insane because they're not testing the worst part. And in that and to me, it's like then I don't want optimistic if it's going fail half the time. Like, I wanted to know for sure it's saved, not guess that it's saved.

22:54

But, anyway, what do you I don't know. What do you think? Maybe I'm wrong.

22:56

Ian

No. I wondered I wondered if it was ever gonna come around to what do you think about it?

23:00

Aaron

If Yeah. No. I gotta get it on my chest.

23:04

Ian

Like, hey, What's your take on this? And then you're gonna just give me the whole take.

23:08

Aaron

I gotta

23:09

Ian

give you my take. I don't know. I think testing on 3 g is silly. I didn't ever I actually never thought about the unreliability and the false test.

23:19

Aaron

No, but

23:19

Ian

it does. Chrome dev tools would be. Yeah. I don't know. I just I I don't know if it makes me a bad developer, but I just don't care about optimistic UI.

23:32

And I know that Okay. I know that people right now, I know that Sam Selakoff, hi, Sam, is listening because he's DM ed me about Optimistic UI before, and I'm like, I just don't it's just not like my world. And I I actually talked on the phone to Ryan Florence last week, and I was like, I just I just yeah. Breaking news. I just don't care about optimistic UI.

23:55

That's just not my world. I just don't think it's that big of a deal. Like, I'm fine when I click the save button if the little save button turns into a little spinner until it's committed on the back end, and then it says, great. You're good to go now. Like, that's okay with me.

24:10

So I don't think about the 3 g unreliability because I don't think about optimistic UI because I don't super care about it, which is not to say that it's bad or wrong. I just don't care about it, and I think that's I think that's where people get hung up. It's like

24:25

Aaron

Yeah.

24:26

Ian

When I say I don't super care about it, they're like, you need to care about it.

24:30

Aaron

I care. So bizarre.

24:31

Ian

And I'm like, right. That's that's great. I'm happy that you care about it. I care about other things that a lot of people don't care about. I care about, like, database schemas and stuff, and I don't I don't really like, I don't belittle or berate people that don't care about it.

24:45

It's just like, that's the world that I live in. So yeah. But I

24:50

Aaron

mean, I think Levels had a tweet on this the other day, which Levels had some of his own weird stuff going on. But he's like, you know, basically, all of his customers are in America is the shorthand version of it. And it's like, yes. This is the reality. Like, I don't really see the upside, especially if you're bootstrapping or in any way have limited funding, like, yeah, if you, again, if you have a $100,000,000 that you raised, yeah, whatever, do whatever you want.

25:14

But, like, you're unlimited amount of money. Like you can't be spending your time optimizing for these really crazy esoteric scenarios. Yeah. When you know, Like if you're still a b2b app and everybody's sitting in an office or sitting in their house with high speed internet Like you don't need to optimize for the crazy slow connections. Like And again, I think this came up when I was beefing with Twitter guys.

25:35

Like, in 20 years, I've literally never, never had a customer say it's too slow. You know, HubSpot's too slow in, in the sense of these things they're talking about, like a modal or a save button that takes a fraction of a second or any of these things. Like Yeah. There's definitely been speed issues on big accounts where they have a lot of data or whatever, like database type stuff. Database issues.

26:01

And we fix those or whatever. But, like, not just like, oh, this model takes a fraction of a second. It's super annoying me. Like, what can you guys fix this? Like, literally never had that kind of feature request ever once.

26:10

And so Yep. It's like, how valuable could it possibly be, especially I mean, we've all used tons of React apps now, Livewire apps. Like, they're very fast. Like, they're sending their minimal amount of data over the wire. Like, they're very fast.

26:23

Like, so even on slower connections, they're still very fast. So, again, unless you have to contrive a really extreme scenario, to make it be unreasonably slow. So, yeah, I don't know. But we had this, I, this, so this tweet I had, I thought it was cool. A couple things about this tweet.

26:41

This is the first tweet I've ever had that went like super viral I've never had in Twitter like the crazy viral tweet that got to like a 1000000 views or whatever I don't know how many views Yeah. 100 and 100 of 1000 or 1000000 views. I had

26:52

Ian

a look at it.

26:53

Aaron

Yeah. Keep going. Well, yeah, the tweet was just that, like, it wasn't just that I've had one customer 19 years because we have a number of those, but the very first customer who ever paid for HubSpot is still a customer today and has paid every year crazy. Over 19 years.

27:08

Ian

And Dude, just 515,000 impressions.

27:12

Aaron

15,000. Yeah. That's wild. It is crazy. And then you could see why people get addicted to this because I was like, oh, I picked up, like, 400 followers, like, out of nowhere.

27:23

And this is why people are supposed to be

27:26

Ian

Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.

27:28

Aaron

I can see why people are like, well, let's just fight with people all day because that's what gets people to, the tweet to go viral, and the algorithm, and then I get more followers. Right? So I get it. Resist.

27:40

Ian

You must resist.

27:41

Aaron

I'm resisting. But I think this is a positive tweet. Right? Like, yeah. If you're full in-depth on everything, it's like, you might see a little bit of a half sideswipe that it is, but in and of

27:50

Ian

itself, it's

27:51

Aaron

like, hey, like, go out there, build shit, do stuff as Aaron Francis says.

27:55

Ian

Amazing. That's a good tip. Yeah.

27:57

Aaron

And then, you know, sometimes things happen. Like if you pick a, you know, a guy would go b to b, like, this is the beauty b to b. Like, it's hard to get a consumer to pay you for 19 years. Like, but business like they could pay you forever and here's the weird thing about Twitter the number of people who replied that this was my mom like specifically that this was my mom Who is like got to be 20 people reply to this tweet with that. Yeah.

28:21

I was like, this is such a bizarre thing. Why is everybody saying it's my mom?

28:26

Ian

It makes no sense.

28:27

Aaron

It makes no sense. You wanna say I left my credit card in there as a test. Okay. Whatever. Lame joke.

28:32

Man. But, like, that's my mom. I don't know. It's very weird.

28:35

Ian

I people on Twitter as a as a whole are just not that funny.

28:41

Aaron

They're not. No. They're not funny.

28:42

Ian

Just not that funny. I feel and maybe it's representative of, like, the population, but I feel like 10%, maybe 5% of people on Twitter are funny. And the other 90 or 95 are just, like, repeating the same jokes that they've heard elsewhere or, like, the same bits forever and ever and ever. And this is a great this is a great example of that.

29:05

Aaron

Like,

29:06

Ian

that's not even I don't know if that's an insult or a joke, but either way, it's that's not a good either. Yeah.

29:11

Aaron

It's not a good either.

29:12

Ian

Which which whichever one, it's bad. Yeah.

29:15

Aaron

Yeah. I don't know. And I was like, maybe this is I'm too old. Maybe this is, like, a whole thing that I missed that, like, your mom buys your product for 19 years or something. I don't know.

29:25

Ian

Yeah. Well, your mom buys your software. Like

29:28

Aaron

And then a lot of people thought it was consumer software. And I'm like, dude, it's like a $600 purchase every year for 19 years. Like, what consumer software is that? Like, the all consumer software is like a dollar now or free or whatever. It's like but anyway no.

29:43

No. No. That was cool. Like, literally the first customer we ever had.

29:46

Ian

That's pretty cool.

29:47

Aaron

I went through some other ones, like not many of the other, like, very first customers are still customers, which, you know, to be expected, but the very first one's still a customer. So it's really cool. It's like, yeah. It's like how these things build up, you know, 19 times 600, pretty good chunk of change

30:02

Ian

and Pretty good.

30:03

Aaron

Just adds up. You get a handful of these and it's workable workable for a small team. Yeah. So I don't know. That was cool.

30:11

It's like one of those, like, things maybe maybe somebody will get some inspiration from it. Who knows?

30:15

Ian

Yeah. Very cool. Good tweet. Great tweet.

30:18

Aaron

Good tweet. Good tweet. People love the visuals. It's good. I think that was a

30:21

Ian

lot of the the visuals.

30:22

Aaron

Yeah. It's like, here is a list of, like, all 19 transactions and Yep. All that stuff. Yep. People are trying it's going to be good.

30:28

Ian

That helps. People are chiming in that it was it's going to be good. That helps.

30:36

Aaron

People were chiming in that it was ID number 1. We're using you IDs. Yeah. No, you IDs. Sorry.

30:43

Ian

Nope. Nope. Just let me just calculate the number of customers you have based on the spacing of your invoices. Yep. Yep.

30:50

Aaron

Giving away all the, all the.

30:52

Ian

Yep. Yep.

30:52

Aaron

That would, would actually be a little bit harder. Interestingly, because like the way it worked up until like 10 years ago is since it was a owned license, like people would actually have more than 1 transaction a year. Because like if they they would add licenses or they pay support and there there were just more transactions. But now that subscription, most customers are, like, just once a year. But, so in the in the later years, that that would be pretty accurate, ish, anyway.

31:21

Alright. What else is going on? So you got the big move.

31:24

Ian

Got the big move.

31:26

Aaron

Man.

31:26

Ian

Boy, that was that was bad. It was pretty bad.

31:31

Aaron

It's still bad? I'm not

31:32

Ian

I'm not gonna lie. It's still kinda bad. Yeah. A little I mean, it's getting it's getting better. Every day, it's getting better.

31:41

So, you know, we had the big move scheduled for, like, a Monday, maybe 2 weeks ago or something like that. And then a freak storm came through Dallas, just like massive storm, huge number of branches down all over the city. And so the move got pushed from, like, Monday to Tuesday because the new house didn't have power. So it's like, well, shoot, we're going to go move into this house that has no power.

32:09

Aaron

That's not going to work. Yeah.

32:11

Ian

So at this point, Jennifer and, the au pair Jasmine and all 4 kids are at Jennifer's parents' house because it was like, we're gonna move the next day, and the kids need somewhere to sleep and be normal, and so they're already at Jennifer's parents' house. Then we lose power at the new house. And so Jennifer and Jasmine and the kids end up staying at her parents' house for, like, a full week because of all the stuff that I'm about to explain that's gone terribly wrong. Right. Not only that, Jennifer's sister and, you know, my sister-in-law and brother-in-law, all their kids, they lost power too.

32:49

So they're at Jennifer's parents house. And so Jennifer's parents yeah. It's crazy. So we, you know, we live in a city that or a a state that is given to high winds and tornadoes, and all of our power lines are up in the air next to the trees. It's like very bad.

33:04

Too late now. So Jennifer's parents are basically running a summer camp at this point. Right. We've got, like, a 1000000 kids over there. Wow.

33:11

There's No.

33:12

Aaron

The other the sister in law's kids that everybody are over there.

33:15

Ian

Oh, yeah. Okay. Wow. At least at least 8 kids there because it's 44. And then the other sister and her kids came over a few days.

33:23

So at some points, it was 10 children over there. Oh, cow. And they they're the best. They just love it, and they're so good at being grandparents. But, anyway so, you know, we put off we put off the move for one day, then the, you know, the power comes back on, but only half of the new house has power.

33:42

Well, that's not good. Half. Random.

33:44

Aaron

So weird. Weird. Yeah.

33:46

Ian

So at this point, I'm like, okay. Well, we can't put off the move anymore. Like, we've scheduled movers. So they come and they move everything. We move into the new house and it's hot and muggy because, like, the AC is not working.

33:59

And so I'm in there trying to, like, unpack as fast as I can and get stuff like a semblance of normalcy. And it's just miserable and muggy because half of the house that was off was the AC as well. So I'm, like, half of the power off and half the power on doesn't seem very that seems like unsafe. Blown up. Something's wrong.

34:21

Yeah. So I go out in the yard, and sure enough, there's a branch on the line between the pole and the house. And apparently, we had 2 lines coming into the house and one was taken out. And so Oh, jeez. There goes the AC.

34:35

So I'm like, f. Alright. Well, let's get this done. We get it we get it fixed, fortunately. And this is, like, over the course of many, many days.

34:42

Right? So I'm like I'm like sleeping in the rent house on the floor because they've already moved to the bed. Right. But I can't go sleep at the new house because there's no AC. And Jennifer's parents' house is full.

34:56

I'm not about to go over there where it's chaos. So I'm sleeping on the floor in the rent house for a couple of days. They fix the power, then it all comes back on, and the AC the upstairs AC doesn't work. Just doesn't work. And so now the kids are at the house.

35:12

I've got portable AC units in the kids' room.

35:15

Aaron

My god.

35:15

Ian

Yeah. And You

35:16

Aaron

check the breakers. You check all that stuff. It was nothing obvious. Okay. Nothing obvious.

35:17

The stuff. It was nothing obvious. Okay.

35:20

Ian

Nothing obvious. The contractor's like, hey. We checked it. You're gonna have to replace the unit. And I'm like, f that.

35:25

I'm not doing that. So I called out 2 AC companies, and they're both like, hey. It's broken. You're gonna have to replace the unit. Both of them said that.

35:32

I was like, god dang it. So then we had to replace a full AC unit. Oh. Just like

35:37

Aaron

Oh my gosh.

35:37

Ian

Just the whole thing. Brand new.

35:39

Aaron

Got, like, 7000, 8000?

35:41

Ian

Fortunately, no. That's what both AC companies quoted me, but the contractor did it for 25100, which Oh, wow. Is still a poke in the eye, but it's better than $7,000.

35:51

Aaron

Okay.

35:52

Ian

And then, you know, they're there fixing the electrical, and they're like, oh, by the way, the the wire from the, the roof down to your breaker isn't rated for the load that it's under. And I'm like, okay. That's, you know, that's bad. Is that a fire hazard? They're like, yeah.

36:05

It's a fire hazard. I'm like, great. So today, today, they're at the house. The power's off at the house, and they're replacing wires at the house again. I'm like, what?

36:15

How long is this gonna last? And, you know, they're over there fixing the floors because they didn't do it right the first time. Like, guys, I don't care. Everyone just get out of my house.

36:25

Aaron

Yeah. That's like they've been there for 8 months. Like, you guys didn't know

36:27

Ian

that. Been there for 8 months.

36:28

Aaron

Like, what have

36:28

Ian

you been doing?

36:28

Aaron

Yeah. How did you not know this? So, yeah,

36:30

Ian

it's it's been pretty bad and pretty frustrating, but we're moved in. Things are starting to get a little bit better, but it's been it's been kind of brutal, and I never wanna do it again.

36:47

Aaron

Yeah.

36:47

Ian

Right?

36:49

Aaron

I don't like the sound of any of that. Like, we do have some of that stuff in our house, like, just nothing that major, but, like, every year, basically, a mouse gets into the air conditioning condenser unit and shorts something. The guy comes every year. So this year, I'm like, dude, like, is there something I can do? Because, like he's like, no.

37:06

I could just come fix every time. I was like, you know, but, like, the mice frying electronics inside the air conditioning unit doesn't seem optimal for anything involved here.

37:14

Ian

Yes. Not a peanut butter

37:15

Aaron

in your AC unit.

37:16

Ian

So they keep climbing in there to eat it.

37:18

Aaron

Oh my gosh. It's amazing where mice can get into. But, yeah, our fridge has this, like well, the fridge guy's coming today because, like, the seal seems like maybe it's gone. It's getting

37:28

Ian

It's a scam. Wanna be Homeownership is a scam.

37:30

Aaron

Oh my gosh.

37:31

Ian

Renting renting

37:32

Aaron

I feel

37:32

Ian

I I will say renting, I never felt super at ease because I felt like the landlord at any moment could be like, hey. We're moving back from, you know, wherever they were. I think, I don't know, they were on some they work for PepsiCo, and they were out of the country. And I just felt like at any moment, they could say, you're out of a house. Good luck.

37:49

You've got 60 days. And that that made me extremely nervous, but owning a home is is like it's just a money pit. It's just It

37:57

Aaron

really is.

37:57

Ian

Continue to pay money down the drain. So So so

38:02

Aaron

how are the kids doing in the new house?

38:04

Ian

Kids are doing okay. Big kids are crying a lot because it's like new house, new noises. You know, there's house sounds. Every house has sounds, and this house has sounds. And they're they're doing okay, but there's a swing in the front yard.

38:17

They really like the new swing. So, you know, we spent untold amounts of money on a house, and they're like, we love the swing. It's like, great. That's awesome. Enjoy the swing.

38:29

But, yeah, they're doing great. Little kids are fine. They don't understand anything because they're babies. So, yeah, it's it's going. It's going okay.

38:36

I will say I've discovered, there are some hot rooms and some cold rooms in the house, right?

38:43

Aaron

Okay. A little

38:44

Ian

bit a little bit uneven. It's kind of a little bit older house, so it's not maybe like the most, you know, ego, not ego, eco friendly. Right. And so here's the here's the situation. And I think I found a cool solution.

38:59

You know, some rooms get blasted with AC and some just get the trickle. And so, like, our bedroom is quite warm and, like, the living room is quite cold. It's like, oh, that's kind of frustrating. Right? Yep.

39:11

So here's what I looked up.

39:12

Aaron

Okay.

39:13

Ian

You know, we've got the smart thermostats, but what good is that? Right? Because it's like you just set the temperature and it cools the whole downstairs to some arbitrary temperature that's close. The solution is smart vents. So, you know, you know, the little the little vents that come out of the wall and you can, like, have a little damper on it and you can close it if it's blowing too hard or something.

39:35

There are such thing as smart vents where where they are, they're electronic. So what you can do is you put these smart vents in all the rooms.

39:47

Aaron

Mhmm.

39:47

Ian

And then you also have to put a little corresponding, like, it's a puck, but it's like a therm not a thermostat, a thermometer so that you know how cold or hot each room is. Yep. And then what it does is, it interfaces with your smart thermostat. So it's like it will tell the the main thermostat, hey, turn on the air. And then in all the cold rooms, it closes the vents, and it just pumps air into the hot room until that room levels out.

40:17

And then it, you know, then it's just opening and closing the dampers all over the house while controlling the main thermostat to keep the air moving. And I'm like, this is great. I this is this is the exact thing that I need. So I'm gonna buy a whole set of these, and I'll I'll report back to tell you. You don't like it?

40:34

You're giving me a wince. What do you what do

40:36

Aaron

you think? I don't love it. What do you think? This is great. I mean, first of all, you're gonna need electrician all over the place.

40:41

Ian

No. No. No. No. They're batteries.

40:43

They're batteries.

40:44

Aaron

Battery? That's even worse.

40:45

Ian

No. That's even better.

40:46

Aaron

No. You gotta have 5. You're replacing batteries. Alright. No.

40:49

No. No. Can I give you an alternate solution?

40:52

Ian

I won't like it. Yeah.

40:54

Aaron

Done myself this solution, and it does work.

40:56

Ian

Sure. Okay.

40:58

Aaron

A little it's a little more simple. It's a little more straightforward.

41:01

Ian

I hate it already. Okay.

41:02

Aaron

I know you want all your you want

41:04

Ian

a one of 50 I wanna but mechanical

41:07

Aaron

battery replacement required little flapper. Forget it.

41:11

Ian

And I want new apps, and I want things talking to each other. Okay.

41:14

Aaron

Stuff. Yeah. So when this company goes out of business in 3 years and the app They're

41:18

Ian

gonna be all brick

41:18

Aaron

and it'll

41:19

Ian

be furious. Yeah.

41:20

Aaron

They're gonna be very pumpy. Mhmm. Here's an alternative you could consider.

41:25

Ian

Okay.

41:25

Aaron

We did this at our house.

41:26

Ian

Okay.

41:27

Aaron

Got it. So you have the thermostat. It says, Hey, pump cold air. Right? And then

41:31

Ian

it's like, so so far.

41:33

Aaron

Pumps all the cold air, but some rooms get more than others. It's crappy. What you can do is you could put a baffle into the actual air conduits and make it makes a junction. Mhmm. And then that does like what you're saying, but it just does it in one spot.

41:51

And so, like, when the one room gets colded up, the baffle will close in there, and then all the air will continue to go to the other rooms, and that'll be

42:01

Ian

it. Just one spot. Describing. What is what is different? You're just using this word baffle that no one has ever heard of.

42:07

No. In the air duct. So the

42:09

Aaron

air duct is a big pipe that comes out of the air. I don't

42:13

Ian

know what an air duct is. I know it's a big pipe.

42:16

Aaron

At the air duct, you have one of these bath you only need 1 or maybe you would need 2, but, you know, or one for each level or whatever. And you don't have to have 50 of them. Yeah. Well, I don't have All the vents.

42:29

Ian

Rooms, and you're telling me I gotta go get of rooms. I got a lot of rooms. Thank you. I appreciate it. And then you're telling me you're telling me instead I gotta go get into the AC, the

42:40

Aaron

the Yeah. That's the heater. I'll do this. No. You shouldn't do it.

42:43

Ian

No. I can do this myself.

42:45

Aaron

You shouldn't do any of it. Let's just be clear.

42:47

Ian

I should do all of it. So wait. Here's the question.

42:50

Aaron

How many of these are you gonna need, like, literally 30 of these baffle? These vent mechanical vent things, aren't you?

42:56

Ian

I need, like, 6 or 7 for downstairs. I'm gonna try it.

43:00

Aaron

Okay. Just for downstairs.

43:01

Ian

Yeah. Well, who's controlling the baffle?

43:04

Aaron

Also, I will say I've tried this thing before too by now I don't know if these close more tightly, but in the regular type that you probably have on there now, you know, you can do it manually. Right? Like, and I don't know. I played that game with closing them off manually and enough seeps through that. It's still, it doesn't, it doesn't really stop the air.

43:22

It's not a seal. It's just like a directional thing, really more than a seal. These are maybe seals.

43:28

Ian

Okay. Yeah. They're they're seals. Yeah.

43:31

Aaron

All right. So that might be better, but I don't know. This is what you described

43:35

Ian

to me sounds so much worse because No.

43:38

Aaron

It's so much better.

43:39

Ian

It sounds it sounds, it sounds less precise. It sounds harder to install, And I still don't know who's con in your world, who's controlling the baffle. Do you still have thermometers in each room that

43:50

Aaron

That's the monitors.

43:50

Ian

To the baffles?

43:51

Aaron

Right. Mhmm.

43:52

Ian

Okay.

43:53

Aaron

The thermometers control it. So like our upstairs has 2 thermometers, 1 in the master bedroom, 1 in 1 of the kids bedroom. And then the baffle splits between our, you know, the master and the kids zone, which is like 2 bedrooms and a bathroom. So, okay. It could be open fully.

44:11

So both sides are getting air, but then like if ours reaches temperature, the baffled to our side closes inside the duct and then only their side's getting air and told their thermostat says it's enough. And then that's it.

44:24

Ian

Well, I appreciate you bringing up this, this alternative to me. There's a 0% chance I'm going to go with your system.

44:31

Aaron

So much better.

44:31

Ian

Literally 0. Like, maybe less than 0.

44:34

Aaron

Like, let me add, what, a 100 batteries to my daily routine of changing? It's it's insane.

44:42

Ian

The numbers just keep going up.

44:45

Aaron

How many I mean, it's gotta have 3 or 4 batteries, and you got you're gonna have you have to do this. It's gonna have

44:49

Ian

It's got You're

44:50

Aaron

gonna have 20 of them.

44:51

Ian

C size batteries. So they're big batteries.

44:54

Aaron

I see them.

44:54

Ian

They last ones. What? That's good. They last longer.

44:58

Aaron

How do you replace this thing? You have to take the whole thing apart to replace the battery? Like, you have to pull it out of the wall, I guess?

45:04

Ian

No. I think you just take the decorative register off, and then you can change the battery and put the decorative register back on.

45:10

Aaron

I don't

45:10

Ian

know. No. You're being a dick.

45:12

Aaron

You're being a no man.

45:13

Ian

You're being a no man.

45:15

Aaron

Just do it right. No. I'm a do it right. I am doing it right. No.

45:18

That's not the way

45:19

Ian

to do it. It's the This is the right way.

45:20

Aaron

The right way to do it.

45:21

Ian

Oh, this is crazy.

45:23

Aaron

Air conditioning guy over there, and he's gonna tell you the right way to do it is with the baffles in the air ducts. It's not gonna tell you to put a 1,000 individually controlled valve. Now. It's insane. It's insanity.

45:35

What? Okay. Insanity.

45:37

Ian

Riddle me this. What logistically, what is the difference or maybe logically, what is the difference between your system and my system? Your system works further upstream. Well, hold on. Yours just works further upstream.

45:49

It's the exact same system. Mine just works at at at the river's mouth instead of the river's fork. It's the

45:56

Aaron

same thing. Here here's the thing. I haven't thought about mine in 14 years. You're gonna have to think about mine all the time because it runs out of batteries, and you gotta run around like an idiot replacing batteries in 20 air ducts. That's insanity.

46:09

And and you primary your primary concern

46:12

Ian

is batteries.

46:13

Aaron

And you gotta depend on this app in this company that you know is going out of business. That thing's no way I think it's gonna still be working in 14 years. You know it's not gonna work in 14 years. That's a guarantee.

46:23

Ian

Yeah. That's probably true.

46:24

Aaron

Crazy. Yeah. You need something that's just part of the house. This is the mechanical system you just wanna built into the house. You don't wanna have a bunch of little individually fiddly things you're messing with, man.

46:35

Alright.

46:35

Ian

So so y'all go to flare.co. That's where I'm gonna be buying these things.

46:39

Aaron

I wanna see this now.

46:40

Ian

Flare.co. Co. Let's see. Meet the Flare platform.

46:45

Aaron

It won't even load. The website won't even load. Where's Ryan right now to

46:48

Ian

tell us

46:48

Aaron

how Yeah. This site was so slow?

46:50

Ian

It's probably JavaScript. Okay.

46:52

Aaron

Flare dotco is available domain. So

46:55

Ian

Oh, s l a I r. Yeah. A l a r. Okay.

46:59

Aaron

Alright. Smart It's got a loading screen.

47:01

Ian

Bridge, puck, smart climate control for every room.

47:05

Aaron

I mean, you gotta have a basic language. You gotta have a separate a whole separate thing that presumably battery powered that does the temperature separate from the vent that has its own batteries. So every location has 2 things that need batteries.

47:19

Ian

I didn't realize you were so you were so big anti battery.

47:22

Aaron

Oh, come on. I mean, I use them where I have to, but, like, having to go around and replace dozens and dozens of batteries. I have one regular thing in my life that I have to replace batteries in, and it is terrible. In our master bedroom, we have these big windows and they just let it in, you know, so anyway, we have blinds on them and we want electric blinds because it's a big tall window and like,

47:44

Ian

you know,

47:44

Aaron

like, on a ship or whatever. Right? So k. Electric thing. And they're battery operated, and they're pretty efficient.

47:50

It's, like, every 6 months, but every 6 months you have to get up on this ladder and replace the batteries. Or now we've switched just like a month ago. We those ones died after 14 years. So we switched to they're chargeable, but you still have to get up on the ladder and, like, plug it in and charge it, you know, whatever once every year.

48:08

Ian

That sounds really hard, Ian. I'm so sorry.

48:10

Aaron

That's only one thing. It's fine. This is insanity. You're literally gonna have 20 new thermostats and 20 new beds. Presumably, you don't need a thermostat in every room, but still you're gonna have No.

48:22

You don't. New thermostats and 20 or 30 vents. That's crazy, man.

48:28

Ian

But imagine just imagine. Okay. I just I just wanna paint a picture for you. So maybe I should have sold the vision earlier.

48:34

Aaron

Give me the vision.

48:35

Ian

Alright. Here's the vision.

48:37

Aaron

Mhmm.

48:39

Ian

So the people that sleep downstairs are me and Jennifer and the 2 littlest babies. Right?

48:44

Aaron

Okay.

48:45

Ian

So, imagine you set in the little baby's room, you say, I want this room to be 72 degrees. Okay? Okay. And then you go to the master bedroom and you're like, man, I want this room to be 66 degrees while I'm sleeping. Right?

49:02

Aaron

Yeah.

49:02

Ian

So then then you say, you know, the living room overnight, the living room overnight can be 79 degrees. Right. And you can you can set each room individually, and then the system the system, the network takes over and turns on turns on the main AC and blows it in the baby's room for a little bit, then shuts it off and then cools down the master, but then keeps the living room hot so we're not wasting electricity. So, like, I'm basically saving the earth at this point, and everyone is sleeping and and then you wake up and you're like, oh, shoot. It's morning.

49:38

The system already knows that it's morning. And so it brings the master up to 72. It brings the living down to 74. This

49:45

Aaron

is my system. It does all this stuff too. It's all the same thing.

49:47

Ian

There's 0 chance there's 0 percent

49:49

Aaron

chance your system does that. In the duct. That's doing the exact same thing, except it's doing it at a smarter location where it can be hardwired instead of having 30 Wi Fi enabled little devices break all

50:00

Ian

the time. Awesome. Yeah. Maybe I explained it poorly. Maybe I explained it poorly because I my system is better and yours is worse, and so I'm just not explaining it right.

50:09

That's No.

50:10

Aaron

You want this centralized, and you want it in built into the house, man. You don't wanna have all these. They're gonna break all the time. It's gonna be a nightmare. Nightmare.

50:20

I I know I want you to do it because then you're gonna be I'm gonna do it.

50:23

Ian

Can't believe it's gonna be the first one broke.

50:25

Aaron

I can't believe it's broken. No way. Broken after 6 months. This little chunky thing

50:31

Ian

is gonna be great content.

50:33

Aaron

Seconds. It's got moving parts. It's gonna break.

50:36

Ian

How could it not have moving parts? A baffle has moving parts.

50:40

Aaron

I know, but that's like an industrial thing, and there's only one of them.

50:44

Ian

You're you're on a have 2, depending on whatever you want. House, industrial thing. Things in

50:49

Aaron

the house.

50:50

Ian

Things are just things, Ian. Like, this could be a well made thing.

50:54

Aaron

I mean, these things are $99 each for the small one.

50:57

Ian

I know.

50:58

Aaron

They're expensive. $140 each.

51:00

Ian

I know. They're expensive.

51:02

Aaron

Junky plastic on the back. This thing's gonna be broken in 2 seconds. Junkie. It's gonna literally be broken in 2 seconds.

51:09

Ian

No. It's gonna be awesome. But they even have a 4 pros section on the website, which means this is a professional thing. K. I'm gonna do it.

51:20

I'm gonna do it.

51:20

Aaron

On the ground. Like, oh my

51:23

Ian

I don't control where the vents are. I have vents on the ground.

51:26

Aaron

I'm not saying it's your fault.

51:27

Ian

My fault. That's not my fault.

51:29

Aaron

It is what it is.

51:31

Ian

K. This

51:31

Aaron

is no way look. I mean, even their example house, which looks to be quite a small house. There's 1, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. You're gonna have at least 40, 50 of these things. You're going to.

51:44

Ian

I'm not gonna have 40.

51:46

Aaron

How could you not? If you don't do all you have to do all the vents, or it's not gonna work.

51:50

Ian

To do you have to do all the vents.

51:51

Aaron

Right.

51:52

Ian

In a in a on a system. So I'll do all of the downstairs, and we'll see if it works. Yeah. I think I counted yesterday downstairs. We have, like, 10 vents, something like that.

52:03

Aaron

And upstairs, you probably have more rooms, though. I'm so sorry. You probably have

52:07

Ian

the same number of vents.

52:09

Aaron

You think so? Because it's

52:09

Ian

the same square footage ish upstairs.

52:12

Aaron

Yeah. But if they're broken up to more smaller rooms, there'll be more vents.

52:16

Ian

We'll see. You know

52:16

Aaron

what I'm saying?

52:17

Ian

Yeah. I know what you're saying.

52:18

Aaron

I think you're wrong, but I know what you're saying. I get you.

52:21

Ian

I don't miss anything. I don't miss anything.

52:23

Aaron

So let's just say there's 12 on the first floor. There's probably 14

52:26

Ian

on the second floor. 12.

52:27

Aaron

It's 26. And then you got 7 or 8 of these little thermostat things or more. Yeah. There's gotta be 1 in each room. How much is the little thermostat thing?

52:36

Let's look at those. Let's say. Let's see how much

52:38

Ian

little thermostat thing. How much is it to have a professional come out and install that whole?

52:42

Aaron

Dollars each. I mean, we're at, like, $10,000 for the you do your whole house system.

52:47

Ian

Yes, ma'am. Even close. No way it's gonna be. 5000. No way.

52:52

Aaron

Yeah. Thank you. Way.

52:53

Ian

No way.

52:54

Aaron

26 times, let's say their average 119 because there are different prices. So that's 3,100 there. And you're gonna need, like, 8 of those puck things at a 100 and 9 119, I think they're right. So you're at 4,000. That's I don't know.

53:07

And you need to bring have

53:08

Ian

a lot.

53:09

Aaron

Yeah. So you're gonna be at close to 5,000.

53:12

Ian

I don't think that's true. I if that's if that's true numbers. If that's true, I'm not gonna do it. That's the that's

53:20

Aaron

the Well, you gotta figure that out before you order half of a house of them. Yeah. Well, we got the half the house. Too bad for the people to go upstairs.

53:27

Ian

Mom and dad's room is awesome. You kids head on upstairs.

53:31

Aaron

See, that to me is a better solution. Like, if you just went through your room, just do your room. But see, I think your problem's the opposite, which is a problem for you because it's your room that's hot. Right?

53:40

Ian

My room is hot. Yeah.

53:41

Aaron

Yeah. See that? So it won't work like that. So if you could just do your room yeah. Whatever.

53:45

Just a

53:45

Ian

new room

53:45

Aaron

and it's a couple of things. But, like, you have to block all the other rooms so that your room actually gets cold. That's Yeah.

53:51

Ian

I agree. Yep. I know.

53:52

Aaron

You could even for $5,000, you could even do your own little, one of those, like, in wall. I forget the call.

53:57

Ian

Get a mini split?

53:59

Aaron

Yeah. Mini split. Yeah. Do that.

54:00

Ian

Just do it. Mini This is not gonna be $5,000. This is gonna be great. It's gonna be a little bit expensive, but I'm gonna save the earth in in the process. So that's awesome.

54:11

This is a good idea, and I I appreciate your support.

54:14

Aaron

Does it it doesn't save it's not saving anything because if if 7 in the room say don't give me air, but the 8th one does, the 8th one's the air is still going full bore.

54:24

Ian

Right.

54:24

Aaron

Right.

54:24

Ian

It's still going, but for so much less time.

54:27

Aaron

Sure.

54:27

Ian

Because I'm not I'm not cooling down the living room that nobody's nobody's in.

54:31

Aaron

But you could do that with the with the properly built system too.

54:35

Ian

Okay. The these words you're choosing are very offensive. This whole proper and Oh, man. Built in.

54:40

Aaron

You're gonna have 40 Internet of Things devices, cheap plastic. Well, not cheap. Expensive.

54:48

Ian

Poisoning our brain with Wi Fi.

54:50

Aaron

Yeah. All the Wi Fi into your brain. I don't know, man. I'm not a believer, but I'm excited to hear how you do with it. I'm excited to check it out in person possibly if I can get over there at Laracon time.

55:01

Ian

Glad I glad I brought it up. Yeah. If you come over if you come over for Laracon, I'm gonna put you in the back room and close all the other vents. You're gonna see how amazing it is.

55:10

Aaron

Gonna say hi to your kids. I'm not gonna say hi to your wife. I'll be like, let's get right to business. We gotta check that out here.

55:14

Ian

Back to our bedroom. My wife should be like, what the hell is going on here?

55:19

Aaron

Oh, boy. No. No. We settled that. That

55:22

Ian

that Yeah. We definitely settled that.

55:24

Aaron

What else with the move? Everything's in place. You got the stuff on the shelves. You're not

55:28

Ian

No. No. Oh, man.

55:29

Aaron

Oh, we got a kitchen stuff.

55:31

Ian

On the kitchen kitchen shelves. Of course. Kitchen. That's critical. Yeah.

55:34

But, yeah, TV is not set up. Oh, wow.

55:37

Aaron

You're still not TV set up.

55:39

Ian

Oh, don't worry. We're watching TV on the laptop. Yeah. I know. It's not it's not like we're not watching TV.

55:43

That would be horrifying. So, yeah, still gotta set up, like, paintings and, you know, we don't fully even know the layout of the living room and gotta get the rug steamed because they're all wrinkly now and just, you know, just yeah. I know. I know. I used to live in a house with, like, 6 other dudes and then slept on a floor, and it was like, oh, this is easy.

56:06

Now I gotta worry about steaming rugs because they're wrinkly. Domestications. Break, man. Come on.

56:12

Aaron

To be a a lion out there. I was in fields.

56:15

Ian

I did. Catching prey. I used to eat pizza every night and play FIFA and just party. And when I say party, I mean, eat pizza and play FIFA.

56:28

Aaron

Oh, man. Better.

56:29

Ian

It's just more expensive. This is this is better.

56:32

Aaron

Selling some courses here. What's going on with the courses? We haven't had a course update.

56:36

Ian

Yeah. Gotta sell so many courses. Oh,

56:41

Aaron

yeah. Everybody's gotta buy these courses. Y'all

56:43

Ian

gotta buy.

56:44

Aaron

His Internet of things doodads in someone's house. Yeah.

56:50

Ian

Don't don't make me take out a home equity loan to buy these doodads. I need y'all come through. In fact, I don't even think I have any equity in my home at this point, so that's not that's not even an option.

57:01

Aaron

Even do that. Yeah.

57:02

Ian

Alright. The course. Yeah. Here's the deal. The course is gonna be good.

57:07

I'm really it's always there's always a period of, like, man, this was a bad idea, and I'm very stupid. And I think I've I think I've I've passed the point of I am very stupid.

57:19

Aaron

Bit of despair.

57:20

Ian

Yeah. I'm into the point of, like, great. This is gonna be good. I just gotta, like, I gotta do it. So at this point, I think I have maybe 11 videos recorded.

57:31

And the goal is, is you're going to you're going to laugh at this. The goal is to record, like, 50 this week.

57:39

Aaron

Oh, this is. I thought I was crazy. I thought it was 50 total. 50 this week.

57:45

Ian

50 more this week. Woah. Yeah.

57:48

Aaron

I don't I don't even I don't think I even like the sound of that, to be

57:51

Ian

honest. No.

57:51

Aaron

No. No. No. Dead. But the end of that, I feel

57:53

Ian

like that's worse than the batteries thing.

57:55

Aaron

Yeah. This is crazy. This is this is actually crazy. Like, the other thing is this little side adventure, whatever. Yeah.

58:01

Yeah. Yeah. It's just

58:02

Ian

Aaron being Aaron. This is insane. Yeah. So we're a little bit behind schedule because of the move. I essentially took an entire week off because it was like I'm just managing this whole process.

58:16

Yeah. So we're a little bit behind schedule, which is fine. It's only, you know, a a deadline of our own making, so it's totally fine. So, yeah, the first round of videos is coming out really good, and I'm, like, really happy with the way that, it's almost like a performance. I'm really happy with the way I've performed in these videos.

58:38

So I'll finish hopefully finish most of those up this week and then hand I'm handing them over to Steve as I go, but I'm just basically gonna just bombard him with videos this week. And then while he's underwater on that, I will switch over and build out the back end of the course platform. He's built out the front end. It's crazy. Steve's also a developer.

59:01

It's just like

59:01

Aaron

It's like such a weird combo.

59:03

Ian

I know. Yeah. Everybody needs their own Steve. Yeah. That'd be handy.

59:08

So I'll work on the back end of the platform, and then hopefully, we'll launch it, you know, maybe 2 weeks, 3 weeks from now, something like that.

59:16

Aaron

So it's been, like I thought, like, if you don't have like, you could not do 50 videos all at once. Like, you could do, like, 15, 15, 15, and then, like, be working on the back end in the middle. Like, you can't process 50 videos.

59:27

Ian

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's some amount of it that's momentum.

59:31

Yeah.

59:32

Aaron

I can

59:32

Ian

And some amount that's like, if I can just power through these videos, I will feel better. Right. Just just like yeah. Versus, like, dragging them out. Yeah.

59:44

So that's that's part of the game I'm I'm playing is, like, a mental game. Mhmm. And it it might actually end up being that I try as hard as I can, and I get 20 done this week, and it just ends up being, you know, 20, 20, 15, 10, whatever.

59:57

Aaron

Record them? Like, do you just, like, go one to the other, or is each one, like, discreet? Like like, is it one chunk that you break up, or is it, like, discreet? I start and stop. Okay.

1:00:08

Ian

Yep. Each one's discreet, start and stop. Record I do record them in order, which I think is important, so I know what I can reference and know what I can build upon, versus just assuming that they know something without, like, having taught it. So I do them in order, but I do it I do it in, discrete chunks for sure. Mhmm.

1:00:30

Aaron

Yeah.

1:00:30

Ian

And that also helps because Steve can give me feedback, and we can tweak as I go as he watches and edits them, which is gonna be helpful. So the interview series that I'm doing alongside this is going pretty well. That's the one I got for. Right. And I got Ben Johnson, the creator of Lightstream Light FS, which is SQLite stuff.

1:00:53

And then we should have one coming out today with, a guy named Carl. And I worked briefly with Carl when he was at single store. I was I wrote their Laravel driver for single store. Carl used to work there, and he's working on a, like, a local first multiplayer sequel light, which is very, very interesting. And so I'm finding these interviews to be a whole lot of fun because I feel like I have the right amount of knowledge to ask questions that I genuinely am interested in the answers to because I don't have enough knowledge to, like, already know the answers.

1:01:32

Aaron

And

1:01:33

Ian

so I'm like, I'm right at that sweet spot where, like, if I wasn't here, I wouldn't be able to ask the right questions. But if I was beyond it, I would just be feigning interest because I already know the answer. And so it's just kind of like a fun spot to be in. And I think people are really enjoying those. And so I'm hoping that continues to grow the list and gets people ready for the launch, that sort of thing.

1:01:54

So Yeah.

1:01:55

Aaron

How do they they did our I guess we only did one, the Ben one, but that did okay. I haven't watched that one yet.

1:02:01

Ian

Did, like, 40,000 views, maybe. And Ben Johnson has gotten maybe, like, 6 or 7. I think the Ben Johnson one is probably better for, like, its purpose, which is

1:02:14

Aaron

Right.

1:02:15

Ian

Reach SQLite people. The DHH one is good for people who wanna hear DHH talk. Yeah. Broad. Broad.

1:02:23

Yeah. A different purpose. Yeah.

1:02:24

Aaron

Yeah.

1:02:26

Ian

So, yeah, we'll probably put the one out with Carl today. I've got one lined up with Kent c Dodds. I'm gonna talk to Glauber, the CEO of Terso. I'm trying to talk to Primagen because he uses SQLite. I had Nunavut, but then I got sick, and so I had to cancel on Nunavut.

1:02:43

So I'm gonna reschedule with Nunavut because his little app, Pinkery, uses SQLite. Yeah. So it's going well. I feel really under the gun. I feel really, really stressed right now just with the move and the course and money flying out the door, fly flying out the door, and what's the biggest plane possible?

1:03:06

That's how the money is leaving

1:03:07

Aaron

the door.

1:03:07

Ian

We're just loaded up

1:03:08

Aaron

into 77. Yeah.

1:03:09

Ian

And the flies out the door. So feeling a little nervous about that. Yep. You know, trying to, like, trying to keep the house a pleasant place to be, but it's like, there's so many people working and I'm kids are trying to nap. And so I feel a lot of stress and pressure about that.

1:03:27

And it's like, I just need things. I need I need things to, like, finish and not be mid midstream. So, yeah, we'll get there.

1:03:38

Aaron

It's always been my experience that all these things happen at once. And just like there's something about the universe like that. So you're kinda just gonna have all this stuff happen at once, and that's just all there's gonna be to it. And then you have all these periods where you don't do as much as you could have done and because they're calm and you're

1:03:50

Ian

Yep.

1:03:51

Aaron

Laying back a little bit, and you're like, okay. It's calm. And then up. Yep. I'm moving, and I'm building the course.

1:03:57

I'm doing all this stuff, and

1:03:58

Ian

it's all Exactly. A whole lot. It's all a lot.

1:04:03

Aaron

Sounds pretty good overall. It seems like.

1:04:06

Ian

Pretty, pretty good overall. If I can continue to manage stress and just produce videos, I'll be very happy.

1:04:14

Aaron

Do you have any concerns? I don't have any idea for this market, of launching in like July. Toward like June.

1:04:25

Ian

Should I?

1:04:26

Aaron

I don't know. Like people on vacation, people are like checked out. Kids are just getting out of school. Like, I have no idea if that's a factor. I know, like, in my stuff, it's sometimes the summer seems a little bit lighter than other times of the year.

1:04:39

But, now

1:04:41

Ian

I don't know. I feel like I could, I could argue both ways. I think the argument the other way is like I feel partially like SQLite is a prosumer or like exploratory technology. And so maybe the law is even better because it's like, hey, it's kind of checked out. Let me, like, tinker a little bit.

1:05:01

Yeah. So I don't I don't really know, if I should be concerned or not, but I'm concerned about a lot of things. That is not one. Yeah.

1:05:10

Aaron

Yeah. And, like, the alternative is, like, hold it till September, which feels like that's not

1:05:15

Ian

postgres to do, man. Yeah.

1:05:16

Aaron

Got stuff got stuff queued up already. So Yeah.

1:05:19

Ian

Exactly.

1:05:20

Aaron

Oh my goodness. So how the post this one? That one's gonna be killer. That's gonna be

1:05:24

Ian

That's that's the big dog, man. Yeah. I'm gonna

1:05:28

Aaron

back to back.

1:05:29

Ian

I've already committed to Steve that Postgres, I'm starting way, way earlier. Like, by the time by the time we launch a tweet that, like, Postgres is coming, I hope to have, you know

1:05:40

Aaron

More in the can.

1:05:42

Ian

15 videos done already at that point. I'm always

1:05:44

Aaron

torn on those things because it's like, yeah, that's the way I've always kind of been about stuff, but I do it does hurt you sometimes. I don't know about for course. It's a little bit different, but for like the software product, it's like, ah, if you're not out there really early, it does, it does hurt you a little bit to not be collecting emails and getting people to know about it. But on the flip side, when you click that email and then you don't actually ship anything for 8 months, then that's right. Has its own problems because people don't even remember what you were doing and they found other solutions and whatever.

1:06:11

So, But yeah, I mean, certainly for your stuff, I feel like that would be great to be like, cause then you could also even have everything set up. Like, you have, like, a whole sequence of videos and clips

1:06:22

Ian

and Exactly.

1:06:23

Aaron

All that stuff to really lean into it and have

1:06:27

Ian

it recorded on us. List and get the first five videos, like

1:06:30

Aaron

Right. That sort of stuff like that. I couldn't

1:06:32

Ian

do that with single eye because it wasn't done yet.

1:06:33

Aaron

It didn't have it. Yeah. Or even, like, on social media clips and things to get people excited in your like, the trailers you guys do, and you could have, like, a 2 or 3 of them instead of, like, a movie instead of just really the one. Since that one works so good, presumably, maybe a few That's crazy. A couple, would drop in some different things along the way.

1:06:52

That could be exciting. So, yeah, I like it. Alright. Well, that's kind of, I guess, the course update. Well, I can't wait till next week now to see if you would Yeah.

1:07:02

Hold 50 videos. That's gonna be a while.

1:07:04

Ian

Hear how many air vents I bought and how many videos I got recorded.

1:07:08

Aaron

Alright. So the only other thing I had on the list here is I don't know. Are you we haven't really talked about this, shockingly, but are you an Apple guy? Are you a WWDC follower? WWDC is today?

1:07:20

Ian

Like like many things in my life, I am very happy with Apple products, but I don't really get super, like, into it.

1:07:31

Aaron

And so

1:07:31

Ian

it's like, yeah, my my MacBook's great. It works. That's about it. I'm just gonna just gonna be happy with it. So I don't really follow WWDC.

1:07:40

I used to, like, in college, I used to watch WWDC and watch, you know, this week in tech with Leo Laporte and be, like, inside baseball the whole time. Now I'm just like, I guess, I got too much to do. My AC doesn't work. I'm gonna go home. Like, that sort of stuff.

1:07:54

So tell me, what's what are we expecting from WWDC?

1:07:58

Aaron

I I think AI stuff is kind of the big, thing I'm seeing.

1:08:02

Ian

Oh, brother.

1:08:03

Aaron

Yeah. Which I mean, there's still all this interesting stuff with AI. It's like, what can you actually do with it really? You know? And it's like, I don't know.

1:08:11

A lot of rumor stuff is like kind of your standard. It summarize emails or what, you know, kind of like, okay, like, a lot of the like cool stuff is stuff they already do do with like machine learning, which is just like not an L M, but it's still sort of AI. Right. And that's

1:08:26

Ian

what they were already doing before. Like reproducible, like, where you can actually do things.

1:08:30

Aaron

Reproducible AI, like, useful AI, but they were already doing that. I I assume they'll we label it AI, but, like, that's kind of stuff they already did. So, yeah, I don't know. I don't I guess Is

1:08:41

Ian

this not the time we get new refreshes on any hardware? Is this a different thing?

1:08:46

Aaron

Some occasionally, there's hardware at WWC, like, with the max, but I think the rumor is that there's not gonna be any hardware. So there won't there shouldn't be any, like, big hardware unless it's like a super secret surprise thing. So, yeah, I don't think, there's gonna be a hardware. It's gonna be this is one of the things I'd like about I've always wanted to do, like, an iOS app because I do think it is cool. Like, they have so many APIs and, like, they're always adding stuff and everybody's on their phone all the time.

1:09:11

That is like the main computing platform obviously of the modern era. So I always get intrigued a little bit by like what APIs they launch. Like presumably they'll have AI APIs and they'll be better than kind of the stuff we're forced to use on the web with the open AI or different things that are like, okay, but they're just, they can only do what they can do because it's just it's not a deeply integrated sort of SDK API scenario. It's just like, yeah, throw some stuff over the wall, and we'll throw some stuff back. Right?

1:09:38

Like, that's kind of how it has to be. So I don't know. That'd be kinda cool. Like I don't get all the way into watching, like the actual technical talks of the APIs and stuff for the most part. But, so yeah, I know.

1:09:51

We'll see. I hope I'm hoping they, I like when they come with something cool that people are excited about. I don't know. It seems like Apple's a little more behind than they happened in

1:09:58

Ian

the past. Yeah. It does seem that way.

1:09:59

Aaron

I don't know if they're gonna have that for us. And then the vision pro stuff's kinda like nobody cares. Right?

1:10:04

Ian

So

1:10:04

Aaron

there's a bunch of that. Who knows?

1:10:06

Ian

Technical majesty that nobody really cared about.

1:10:09

Aaron

Yeah. And nobody wants to wear a computer on their face. Like, that's just

1:10:12

Ian

I do, but I don't wanna wear that computer on my face.

1:10:14

Aaron

If you wanna wear glasses Yeah. Have a computer in them.

1:10:17

Ian

I actually I wanna sit at my desk with a computer on my face. That that's the ultimate to me. I don't know. You can just have kids stuff.

1:10:26

Aaron

Like

1:10:26

Ian

Yeah. That's why I don't wanna wear that one because it's Right. Yeah. But I, like, have my full, like, 3 d computing environment. In fact, I wanna have, like, a chair that reclines, so I have, like, a

1:10:37

Aaron

chair. Like, floating. Yeah.

1:10:39

Ian

I mean Yeah. I I do want to expensive, you know, but No. No.

1:10:43

Aaron

It could be worth it. Yeah. If you if if it could be executed in a way that didn't hurt your neck and had more than an hour battery life and all that stuff, which maybe they'll get there. Who knows? I'm not too optimistic on that.

1:10:54

I don't know. Like, that technology has an advanced

1:10:56

Ian

Too optimistic. Yeah. Not anytime soon, I don't think.

1:11:00

Aaron

Yeah. Even if you had the plug in, that would be fine, but I just don't think they're gonna have, like, the light transparent screen, like, the stuff you'd really want to make it soundify awesome. Like, I just don't think that it's really on the agenda anytime soon.

1:11:13

Ian

So Yeah. Well, I'll be curious to get your takes on WWDC next week. I'll tell you how many videos and how many events, and you tell me what happened to WWDC.

1:11:24

Aaron

Alright. Sounds good. Thanks, everybody. Follow us at, you know, catch up on the old episodes, I guess, at mostlytechnical.com. Twitter, mostly tech pod for the hot takes and, right into mostly technical podcast at Gmail with, feedback.

1:11:39

And, of course, on YouTube, comment down below, especially on Aaron's event situation. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that.

1:11:45

Ian

Tell me how right I am. I would love to be vindicated.

1:11:50

Aaron

Alright, everybody. Thanks. See you next week.

1:11:52

Ian

See you. Bye.

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